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UPDATE: As of Nov. 18th, 2021 operations have resumed on the Lakewood Subdivision.
What I find most baffling about this entire scenario is not the lack of training, but the fact that a P42-DC locomotive *finally* managed to come out *completely unscathed.*
Wait... I just realized that. YES!!!
I getcha
I mean, it was at the back of the train when the front derailed. Plus, PHYSICS YA'LL. Trains slow down when they crash (unless they're in hollywood)
Edit: THAT TRAIN SLOWS DOWN WHEN IT CRASHES was the original
Rode behind AMTK 181 a couple weeks before this, was amazed to see that it stuck to the rails. I’ve since seen it again, you can still see some paint markings from the investigation.
@@basicallyarobloxian4533 nah its a lucky amtrak train :)
This channel is my binge. I don't even care about trains or even ride on trains but it's so interesting learning about train crashes lol
same here lol
I find interests in destruction, but i love the docs about these accidents
I keep lol-ing at your profile pic, if its you, you look like irl quagmire from family guy.
MJ #23 is that you???
I, too, enjoy analysis of catastrophes
This wreck was important to me in more than one way. I live a couple of miles from Dupont. After the wreck, the rerouting of traffic had the area near my house in total disarray for WEEKS. Had to sit in traffic for 60 minutes or more just to get to the store and back home .... a distance less than 4 miles. It wasn't until a few weeks later that I found out one of my cousins had been in the same car of those 3 people lost their lives. He had been hospitalized for over a week and still has some medical issues 2 years later but is doing a lot better.
Me, too.
Maybe you could have walked to the store.
Yep, my first day back to work following this wreck, I looked over at the wreckage, floodlights, emergency vehicles, etc, as I headed north on I5, got to work, and told my supervisor I needed to leave at noon so I could figure out how to get back home.
@@MangoVisionn The store was 2 miles away and on the OTHER side of the road. Only one light between and no CROSSWALK. As slow as the traffic was moving however, I might have made it.
I live a hour away from where it happened
So, they built this all new route, and installed a 30 mph turn, why not bank or make it more subtle of a turn? I am also amazed at the millions spent to shave 10 mins on a line.
the 30 mph turn was always there from its early years of being operated by NP...entire rail system was originally built as a siding not a mainline
My point exactly. It isn't worth it just to save 10 minutes.
It would have cost millions more to rework the curve over I-5. The route was put in to take traffic off the the UP/BNSF route plus there’s a restrictive tunnel curving underneath Point Defiance Park.
According to the NTSB report Sound Transit and WSDOT were given the money by the U.S. Deportment of Transportation to change the curve from 30 mph to 40 or 45 mph. They spent the money elsewhere.
The video doesn’t make it clear that this so called bypass had been part of the original Seattle-Portland Northern Pacific transcontinental route and contained a sharp climb out of Tacoma, unsuitable for freight and helpers were needed until early 20th century when a single track tunnel at sea level Bypassed it. This route serves JBLM for freight. I live about a mile from this incident site
" He had only operated it once" "Shit, We're dead"
Standard practice for railways to throw crews to the wolves with little to no experience.
He block it if kids are watching
@@lufthansaA300 True
@@79random trucking companies, too. Shit, I'll freely admit I didn't belong driving solo during my first 3 months on my own...
@@79random all right let's put an inexperienced engineer to operate on a new track and have a train derailment
If the engineer was so unfamiliar with the route, why did he feel so comfortable operating at max speed? To me, this is primarily on the train operator.
yeah, TRAIN your human ressources, don't rely on technical solutions
frankiecrocker enigineer is the train operator
@phillyslasher 2
Absolutely.
Clearly none of you have ever worked for a train company before because the answer is obvious - internal company pressure. Rail companies value on time performance over safety, at my company we're under constant pressure to maintain the schedule and any unanticipated delay is heavily scrutinized, employees are called in to explain themselves whenever they occur.
Amtrak stop freaking killing your new engines holy cow
I think I'm going to hell for laughing so hard at this comment
Holy chickens
Holy pigs
Holy sheep
Holy goat
I just asserted my dominince hehehehehehehehe
Lol
Yeah amtrak stop it
I agree
I was on the highway when this train plowed off the rails, I saw the entire train come off of it like someone put Old Spice on the rails and it just slipped off, I had never imagined I'd see anything like this in my life.
Oh shit
Wow!!
My mom was also
I'll always remember this wreck. I learned about it right after booking a load for our truck for the 3 hr trip from Seattle to Portland. It ended up taking 8 hrs to get there. The WSDOT detours had wrecks everywhere. Between Google traffic, our truck GPS and my partner's driving skills, we dead reckoned our way around the closure. It was a long miserable day. As soon as we dropped in Portland, the next day, we headed east to LaGrande, OR to rescue the trailer load of hydraulic pumps that were sitting with my partner's disabled tractor. They had to be delivered to TX, and with both of us driving, we managed to deliver on time.
Why didn't they just make a wider 80mph curve? Isn't it kinda stupid to build a high-speed line, then randomly add a 30mph curve? What were these people thinking?!
Which is why they were blamed for not doing so
Clearly they weren't...
what they were thinking:
"oh nothing will happen we'll put signs :P"
@@madkirk7431 well they paid for this absolute stupidity, but will probably still be working on the routes maintenance because reasons.
The USA is a poor country and does not have the money for stuff like this.
1:41 train spotting jump scare xD
That happens to me all the time🤣
Happened to me once seeing the Big Boy. I even have it on a video of mine.
Ikr
It scares the crap of you
Getting jumpscared by a train horn like that feels funny after while a jump scare from a horror game feels scary
This is why you have someone who's familiar with both the new line and equipment instead of a completely green crew (engineer & conductor) as well as PTC being active before starting revenue service on said new line.
They don't care. Company officials don't accept "I'm not familiar enough with that route" as an excuse to make a run. You turn comes up, you go. And you better damn well make sure you stay on time because you'll answer for that too if you don't.
@@vejet Sadly it's far too often the case, profit and being on-time outweighs safety and familiarity.
Sounds like some additional regulations are needed to prompt rail operators to improve their training; and proper enforcement of said regulations.
1:39 that frightened the life out of the guy filming
🤣🤣🤣
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Lol
I remember thinking when this accident happened "Just barely into action and already had an accident" toward the charger locomotives, It was quite crazy that year, multiple accidents happened back to back in 2017
Didn't the ride the ducks bus collision happen in 2017? It was fucked, went over that bridge a day after and you could still see an outline of blood or oil. I wasn't sure.
2019 wasn't much better for aviation lol.
and just two years before ther was the frankford junction wreck (another train derailing on a curve because of speed)
I used to like trains when I was a little kid and have always had an interest in the stories behind tragedies like these, so your videos have offered a very unique experience for me for the year I've been watching you. Keep up the good work man
I love the way these videos are made, combining sound effects, footage from similar trains, cg recreations....I'm always glued to my screen. Thank you for your hard work creating these!
Curve: Hi! :D
Driver: Sh*t..were dead.
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I know the engineer and well-known railfan photographer who was operating that day, Mr. Steven J. Brown.
Train derailing: Hi!
The people driving near by: *The Fu-*
And the cycle continues!
i honestly don't care that much that it's a reupload. it's very fascinating to learn about these wrecks and how they happened. it's a good way to make sure that stuff like this doesn't happen again in the future
I remember I was watching TV on the morning of the accident when the screen went black and a headline reading “Breaking News” turned on over images of that wreck
Update: Amtrak is testing the line again after installation of PTC. Route could return later this year.
if it works
On December 18th, 2017, Amtrak Train 501 derailed at the curve bridge. P42DC 181 was unharmed. 3 were killed in the crash. 57 were involving injured. Amtrak SC-44 charger locomotive 1402 was totally damaged, beyond and repair and sold for scrapped with some cars.
Hey I think I will go fast and furious with this Siemens Charger. Watch out Vin Diesel, I have a Diesel. Oops my stupidity caused lives.
🛤🚅🚓🚒🚑.
I know quite a few people who were on that train, including the engineer.
I remember hearing about this crash, it sent chills down my spine because I had just returned from that area.
Off
My mom felt sick that day so if she wasn't sick she would of died
My dad was going on a business trip and he was gonna go on that train but it was canceled so thank god he wasn’t there
So much work is put into these
I just love these. I can tell how much work and research goes into all these!
1 like = more train wreck documentary
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I Heard About That Train Crash On The News When I Was On Holiday At Grandma's House 2 Years Ago.
I love these documentaries, but I can't watch almost 80. Unless I do a marathon.
I hope he does the dupo illinois train derailment
the music you put for "Warning, This video may contain images that my disturb some viewers" it'll never get old. its prefect for the theme!
The new Amtrak route was not new; it is a rebuilt branchline built a hundred years ago. It wasn't that the new route would save ten minutes; it was to free the Point Defiance Line along Puget Sound of passenger trains that created a bottleneck for freights thru the single-track Point Defiance Tunnel.
Greatdome99 It was a line that had not been used by Amtrak trains between Tacoma and Olympia (between Seattle and Portland) before.
I really hope you keep this Channel going. Appreciate your work
I remember that wreck in the news when I was 11 years old
Same here man
Same here man same here
Same
I was about 7 or 6 at that time
Marissa Date so your like 9 or 8
Retired engineer here (41years of service). Enjoyed your video and commentary on the 2017 Amtrak disaster. Most interesting is that the engineer had only one round trip and conductor was making his 1st trip- that crew was definitely not qualified to make that run!
I worked in freight service. We had at least 3 qualifying trips at the minimum, and would get an engineer/conductor pilot for areas we were not qualified to operate.
If I recall correctly, that area of Washington state is also subject to heavy fog conditions as well- perhaps yet another contributing factor for this crew who were not familiar with the physical characteristics of that territory?
Just to drop some insight on the reupload some of the footage was replaced with mine due to copyright and whatnot. Hope you enjoyed everyone!
thx for pitching in, without you, the vid still wouldnt be reuploaded
This doesn't really make a case for ptc, it just shows you got to train your engineers on a route. Ptc helps but we cant have it hold our hands all day.
Plus PTC keeps causing trains to stop on the mainline and get rear-ended by a train running behind it.
@@Trainfan1055Janathan its almost like its useless or something
@@Trainfan1055Janathan What on earth kind of train service are you running over there!
The curved overpass track was a crime. It could not be used for high speed, yet it was.
That sort of mistake is not made at operator level.
Yeah people did fine when they had mechanical steam powered locomotives with barely even electric light much less computer control. They knew their routes
I remember when this happened. I heard it on the radio, and I was freaking out. I was like, woah, a train crash happened less than half an hour away from my house!
Thanks for making the changes, appreciate it.
-Aaron
Bro I was a BNSF conductor in Aberdeen, SD and that Dispatcher sounds a guy named Perry who does the Montana Sub now.
Like how everything is damaged. But Amtrak’s own equipment
Actually all those are Amtrak's rolling stock
Matthew Wilson everything but the p42 isn’t fully owned by Amtrak
I will look it up, but I'm pretty sure that's Amtrak's rolling stock not Sounder's rolling stock. After all its Amtrak's cascade route. Not called sounder route
Amtrak owns the P42. ODOT and WSDOT own the talgo sets. They just hire out amtrak as the company to operate and run their trains.
If amtrak is in a video it normally means bad
I enjoy the train video accident analyze. Your one of the few youtube’s that does this
So, the SC-44 Charger was destroyed in the crash. That really sucks because that engine was really young.
Well good, now the p42 doesn’t have to be replaced
Oh their still gonna get replaced. MARK MY WORDS!!!!!!
@@gohtigeriens7967 ok foamer
South Jersey Railfan okay boomer railfan edition XD
My grandfather was transporting a medical patient and ended up passing under that overpass about 2 minutes before the accident going southbound and saw it on the news that evening.. i remember this quite vividly
You know.... here's a suggestion for the Point Defiance bypass: Just have freight be on it ONLY, then just keep passenger service on the old route, just so those can see the beauty of Puget Sound during the last lap towards Seattle or points north.
Couple of issues with that: the Bypass is not double tracked, unlike the freight route that runs along the Sound. Secondly, the Bypass has a steep grade climbing southward out of downtown Tacoma. And third, there are multiple stations along the route used for the Sounder. It just makes more sense for Amtrak to use it. The route isn't the problem; a lack of accountability in Sound Transit and Amtrak is, as well as the fact that they put a complacent and inexperienced engineer behind the throttle.
@@V0latyleUSMC I know the engineer. He was neither complacent nor inexperienced. He had only one trip over the line before and had been at the controls of the Charger only one time before. The NTSB exonerated the engineer and put the entire blame on WSDOT, Sounder, and Amtrak.
@@youngwarrior2 He WAS inexperienced on that line. I don't know much about driving trains, but I've driven past that bridge enough times to know that you wouldn't want to be going very fast. If he wasn't complacent and experienced, how did he manage to miss both speed limit signs? It's his JOB to know the route and handle the train safely - and he failed at that simple task. Worse, his actions killed three people. WSDOT / Amtrak / Sound Transit weren't driving the train - HE was.
@@V0latyleUSMC yea but who the hell puts a high speed train on the tracks that shouldn't have high speed rail, that's right the company not the engineer of the train.
@@V0latyleUSMC Your response shows how little you know about trains, the route, or anything else regarding the crash. If he had refused he would have been fired. He had no experience in that locomotive. It was night. The restriction sign is all but invisible at night. The sign is two miles before the curve. Passenger trains don't have to slow down that far back. When he went past the sign he had a warning alarm in the cab that sounded exactly like the alerter but it wasn't. All training, only two trips, had been at night. No indicators as to exact location are visible at night. I know freight engineers who run that route. They also say, along with the NTSB, it wasn't the engineers fault. I suggest you read the report before you sound anymore foolish than you already do.
I remember seeing 1402 on the back of a lowboy headed for the scrap yard
I've got two suggestions - the South Shore Line collision on a gantlet bridge in Indiana in January 1993 with 11 dead and the 1972 IC highliner collision in Chicago with 43 dead
very well put together thunderbolt great video liked happy boxing day after Christmas 🎄
I enjoy watching your documentaries, keep it up!
My dad had just passed under the bridge when the wreck happened. I thank God he was not 10 seconds slower
Now he's having nightmares about this
I live not far from Dupont and seeing this happen was a nightmare. I watched it on the news in the morning when it happened. I remember my dad having to go to Tacoma to get to work, and you have to pass under that bridge to get there. When he came back, he said that he had to wait about an hour and a half just to get through twice. Whenever we drive by it now, I can see the new parts and paint of the bridge, as well as the new signal and railing there. It still haunts me to this day.
Every time I pass under it, it doesn’t necessarily haunt me, but it just seems odd to travel under a scene that was on national news.
Just a few months after this incident, an Amtrak train derailed a few miles away. A train failed to slow down to the 40 mph speed limit while approaching the Chambers Bay drawbridge. The excessive speed activated a derail switch that’s designed to avoid a catastrophe if the drawbridge is open as a train approaches.
0:47 Accidentally says thot instead of dot.
To me it sounds like stot
Sounds like thought
Never said that nonexistent word. I said "WSDOT"
Stot
ok roblox police officer
And now service on the bypass has been delayed indefinitely.
For real 2 ywars on 250 million later and still no trains.. f.y.i. that SAME charger tripped a hot box defect detector showing hot axle on #4 THE DAY BEFORE THE ACCIDENT!!
I've been watching you for a long time, I love your content, and I hope you never stop
This was explained very carefully. Thank you for the video!
I met a Railfan on the Discord server who knew a person who died in the train crash. I think he told me that he was going to meet the person who was on the train but unfortunately the train crash and the person he was going to meet died.
The day this happened I told my railroad friend about it...he said word made it's way down to Metrolink in California, and everyone knew he was speeding.
Thanks! I heard this on the news 3 years ago and wondered how it even crashed. Thank you!
To those questioning the engineering behind the “new line”: The bridge & right of way were already there from Northern Pacific Railway days. Sound Transit only just updated it. It was highly recommended in the surveying (& WSDOT’s insistence) to replace the bridge & straighten the curve for higher speeds, but it would add about $230 million to the bill. The higher ups chose not to replace that section. They have since added PTC to the line, but Amtrak service hasn’t returned as of yet.
it dont cost 230 million for a rail road bridge. UP rr built the much larger kate shelly bridge for 50 million. sounds like some one was trying to rape the tax payers
I've been wondering if you'd do this one. I live in Seattle, and I remember hearing about this on the radio. I wound up in the area a few weeks after the accident, and it was unsettling to say the least.
At about 12:13 you describe All Aboard Washington as a rail adversary group. Did you perhaps mean a rail *advocacy* group?
Thank you for the video
I remember seeing the news about this when I first went to NY - I came back from my 3rd visit yesterday. I can’t believe that was 2 years ago. Rest In Peace to the 3 fatalities in this accident
I'd sure like to know the reasoning behind TH-cam not allowing monetization on videos like these. I've seen the same thing on other channels.
My dad was on this train because my family lives in Washington.
I hope he survived.
Is he okay?
Yea he’s ok
Did he get hert?
I'm subscribed :) thanks for these docs. i really enjoy them. I'll drop a few bucks as soon as i can :P
Have subbed. Like the channel. Unfortunatley You Tube de montised me two years ago. So im now jumpin through their hoops to get my mo etisation back. Good luck with everything.
Those 10 minutes, when added coming and going, are for me equal to many hours of sweet, sweet rail time!
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I just watched a polybuis documentary and I was shocked when I heard “Portland , Oregon”
Ah, I see you are a man of culture as well.
This is probably the fifth video I have seen of yours and I really enjoy them. I liked, subbed and belled.
As a retired railroad conductor, it shouldn't have mattered if they had or not had PTC in activation. Train crew members receive train orders when they go on duty. Speed restrictions are listed in these orders. Crew member should always be aware of where they are and also know the signal indications as they pass each signal; which are normally two miles apart. This was operator failure of the crew. Especially the locomotive engineer and the conductor. The train and engine crews are employees of the rail line they are on. BNSF, Santa Fe, Union Pacific, etc. Porters, waiters and such are Amtrak employees.
I remember this derailment but nice to hear about more information about it
I remember seeing the damage on the traffic cam looking at the bridge.
This makes me so sad. My dad's best friends were killed in this crash and if he had left for his visit to Washington earlier he would have been on the train with them.
Well no one that survived the crash is ever gonna sleep again
Just imagine, your in that kia soul, driving home, then all of a sudden a train falls right in front of you
$181 million in taxpayer dollars to save 10 minutes. This is real government math.
I miss the old train documentary’s that had Thomas or undertale music but now it’s not the same anymore
(I just don’t know anymore) :(
I am a big fan of your videos of documentary about train derailed in every states and countries. Keep going.😊😊😊😊
Driver: Sh*t... We're dead.
That has got to be the biggest UNDERREACTION I have ever heard!
I put some blame on the Talgo VI set too, due to the heavy and slow reactionary nature of Pendulum Tilt systems, with such unsprung mass, playing a role in sending the articulated cars in the directions they went. On the most modern Japanese passenger trains, they use GPS & Track Profile-synced Air Suspension, which reduces unsprung weight. While Talgo was impressed with how the set performed, it was never designed for that bypass route in-mind.
I get flack for this view, but I postulate that less unsprung weight, would have been better in terms of derailment and survivability.
I like this context ! 👌
Subscribed. Really enjoy these documentaries, even from the UK 👍👍
Personnel issues has ALWAYS been a railroads biggest concern...
Liked video 👍 newer talgo trains are going to replace the older talgo trains !😟
Hope the Fs don’t ruin the chat this time!
so he is being mad at the f instead of the spam seems like he is getting mad at the wrong thing
Who are the fs
@@itsjusttyler5315 bruh u dont knoe the meme? *cough cough* boomer *cough*
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@@madkirk7431 just because they don't know a meme doesn't make them a boomer
Who had the bright idea of taking one of the P42 from some other route that needed it more and put it at the rear of this train?
I like all your documentation good job keep up the good work
2:55 I knew he’d say that
I thought it went over interstate 5. That's why I was confused how the overpass was fixed so quickly.
It did. Dupont near JBLM
If I remember correctly the 1225 per marquette had a sister train that had a wreck that caused it to be scrapped. But could you also do a history of the 1225 if you haven't already???
Godammit I"m like binging your channel. So many good train crash documentaries.
Can you do the recent train crash in Taiwan where a construction trailer slid onto the railway?
all to save 10 minutes travel time
2:59 *NOW THAT'S A LOT OF DAMAGE*
As a Washingtonian and train lover, this breaks my heart
I remember hearing this on the news that day and that week. Traffic had to be rerouted to lacey and yelm, where I'm originally from, and it was absolutely wild seeing it, especially on highways 507 and 702, backed up like that for several hours.
One off the the few place I've been as I travel through there when moving from Washington to Arizona
Just a Suggestion You could do the January 18 2002 Minot Train derailment.
Also I like your video’s
I was in 8th grade when this happened, my mom made it past the bridge before the train derailed... if she'd been late to leave for work...... I shudder to think about that
As of 2020 Amtrak 181 is still in service. Saw it a few weeks ago.
5:38 it’s SPY-tin DIE-vil. That’s how it’s pronounced
I still kinda feel nervy whenever I ride past this location as well as the Oregon Pacific curve where the Holiday Express derailed
Dude all that happens on the holiday express derailment was that a couple of wheels derails you have nothing to worry about
One interesting point to this accident was that the passenger cars that were used in this Collision are banned everywhere else in the US, except for this one Corridor, due to a shortage of passenger cars. This was also the Maiden Trip for this 10 minutes shortcut.
Greg TroubleMaker Not exactly true. They are allowed to operate everywhere in the USA but do so under a waiver due to the standards that were in place at the time they were introduced. There is no car shortage, the trainsets were purchased by the States of Oregon and Washington (and Amtrak) to run the corridor service from Eugene to Vancouver, B.C.
@@erik_griswold you are right but they are operating under that waiver only in that one Corridor in the whole country. The rest of the country has decided to ban them.
Yay its here, i was waiting for this one as i dont live far from it