This just reminds me of what an amazing recovery story Jimmy has. He got his shit together and helped keep the Pumpkins alive for the past 17-18 years. So awesome and Jimmy is easily one of rocks greatest drummers ever. We all win from his success by getting to hear him kick ass on dem drums.
Thank you, I also think JC is one of the best drummer ever, it is terrible to remember this era of the SP... and I still don"t know why they missed saying how JC felt during this time, about loosing his father.... how journalist's world is fucking crap, and who's next going to fall in these fucking' addicted rock bands.... this fucking journalists are the ones to be fired.... FUCK THEM.
I agree. Of course in a sick/artistic way the drugs made that album (MCIS) so dark it is beautiful beyond words, no one wants that kind of suffering for any human being but it really does make the art different/special. I am so glad he is well now. He is 'weller 'than me lol
@RockMeAmadeus I disagree wholeheartedly. Machina is amazing and so is Machina II . Adore is also a piece of work with that first Pumpkins sound - pre-Jimmy era new wave meets goth.
Corgan had said years later that he regrets not shutting the tour down so they could heal. Get Jimmy better and so forth. The tough love kind of backfired. Billy said, you live and learn.
Back then there weren’t media backlashes and angry fans unless you said something truly awful. But now with even innocuous things being twisted out of context and social media allowing people to harass and bully others, I can understand why entertainers would be more guarded during interviews.
@@andrewhudson7108 Celebrities had balls back then. Billy still has balls, judging by recent interviews. You talk shit to him and he'll fling some right back.
It’s because she finally had an opportunity to speak up for once lol. She’s not used to being interviewed as Billy used to take all the interview time lol
If it were my band, I’m not sure which would be a bigger red flag, drummer doesn’t turn up for practice because of a suspected drug problem, or the fact that he didn’t turn up because he went to an REM show.
1993 first met TSP and Butch Vig while recording 'Siamese Dream' near Atlanta. They had booked the studio to get Jimmy away from his drug buds up North. It didn't work. He was still fighting addiction when we opened for them on April 9, 1994 - a day after Kurt Cobain's suicide was discovered. I think this shook him to his own fate if he didn't kick. Congratulations to Jim - a friend, and survivor of those strange days.
If you want to know how well Jimmy hid his drug problem, watch footage from a show in London in '96 where the whole band is completely lights out perfect
I was really glad to have seen this. It cleared the air on a lot of mixed feelings I might have had in my teenage years seeing them on this tour. I will always love them, what a special fucking band.
Thru the Eyes of Ruby is perhaps the most underrated SP song. It's beyond epic. Heavy, beautiful, mesmerizing, groovy, nostalgic, creative, dreamy, and emotional.
I agree, Thru the Eyes of Ruby is VERY underrated and actually my personal favorite Pumpkins tune, and that's saying a lot..... as there is not a song from Gish to now in the year 2020, that I truly cannot recite every single word to. Have seen them 14 times and of those..... they have played it 3 times live. It was 3 of the most amazing moments and memories in my life!!! AMAZING STUFF!!!
The only drummer who has filled Jimmy's shoes is Mike Byrnes. I'm stoked for Jimmy in that he's now recovered from his addiction. And stoked for the Pumpkins that they didn't break up but continue to create good quality music.
Thanks for uploading this. They had part of this interview at the end of another video but incomplete glad I found it. The most interesting interview of sp on this subject
Nice to see billy seem so open real and raw with emotion. I hate the circumstances but it was what it was. And it was a looong time ago. I'm so thrilled that Jimmy got his shit together. Now him and Billy are back! Billy's new album is amazing as well. Love this band so much 🤘✌️❤️
I think he looked over at James at that point because of something about the two overdose incidents that they both knew about....like maybe one of them was defending Jimmy and Jonathan OR one was accusing and then that person realized the truth and felt stupid, The way James chimes in it seems like maybe he was defending them or maybe he was telling Billy he thought there was a problem all along - something like that. Definitely seems like they weren't on the same page about it till after the 2nd OD based on what they're saying(and aren't saying) and their body language/nervous laughter.
I had tickets for the show at Kiel Center in St. Louis and Garbage was supposed to headline. They were my absolute favorite band and it was a huge bummer when they paused the tour. I was super excited to see them that fall when they got back on the road.
D’Arcy almost started crying when she was talking about the overdose :( Billy just seems angry and James is mostly at a loss for words. Sucks that Jonathon died and Jimmy almost did (thank god he didn’t). I really don’t understand how D’Arcy went off the rails and became such a drug addict. She seems so anti-drugs (or at least anti-hard drugs) here...
Ryan B. - Lots of people have an untreated "mental illness". It's very common, but their lives would be better if they took a daily med. & also had a couple trips to the psychiatrist. Unfortunately, there is still some resistance to getting help, & totally unnecessary shame attached to going to get help. More people overall, I think, are going to get help, before it's too late, or they damage their lives & reputation.
Both Darcy and James had a real problem with Billy’s dictatorship he had in the band. But James however appears to be a very humble guy and quiet while Darcy seems to be more easily agitated. It’s a shame Darcy had a downward spiral and I hope she’s at least doing better or on a road to recovery.
that is so true. d'arcy would quit the band 3 years later once jimmy returned clean and sober. a year later, the band called it quits only to return five-six years later but in a different incarnation w/ billy and jimmy.
antstein nietstna my mom and uncle knew all the members before and after they got big. Trust me jimmy all of them had their problems with one another but they kept going.
They first kept it private...then learned that is how people die. Addicts count on people to keep it quiet. When you know better, you do better and stop being that stupid, not hiding anything and making people accountable.
You don't seem to comprehend it. It is not "throwing them under the bus" (and seriously, we're not 7th graders), but placing all responsibility and ownership on them, as they are the only ones who can do it, which only happens when all responsibility and ownership lies openly with them.
BA BF you're an idiot. I AM an ex-heroin user, and I've been one for 6 years before I finally was able to quit. Do you know what happened when people revealed my issues to other people? I told them to fuck off, and, if anything, I'd do more H because I was pissed off. I quit because I wanted to, not because people were talking behind my back (or not). Revealing private things such as drug addiction in an interview that is going to be watched by millions of people is not lying responsibility and ownership upon a person, it's being a scumbag. If they really cared they would have helped him, first by having a serious discussion and not pressuring people that have drug issues by asking them constantly "have you taken drugs?? are you sober??" like these idiots admitted they did, which only makes a person want to get high even more, and, secondly, having him rehabilitated in a facility that supplies buprenorphine or methadone (I don't know about the US but it's free here... and even if it wasn't, they have enough money to pay for one). They are scumbags (which I expected from Billy but not James and D'arcy) and no one should ever put individuals who have serious issues such as drug addiction and likely depression under public scrutiny. It has never helped and never will. Quitting opioids is hard, it's a lifelong battle, and has little if nothing to do with responsibility. When your addicted to heroin and you don't take it you feel sick and you need a long acting opioid like methadone to stop the withdrawal symptoms and to be able to taper off and gradually recover (upregulate) the opioid receptors. All the media coverage and pressure will not make any difference if a person is sick. They could have avoided Jonathan's dead but they did nothing even though they knew he had overdosed a few months earlier and this was after Kurt Cobain death so they all knew the risks involved in heroin addiction. They just didn't care, and the way Billy talks about him and Chamberlain shows what a little man he is.
I think some people have a hard time understanding addiction like that. Billy seems pissed off he was lied to, "We wont do it again" etc. But they weren't lying because they were deceptive bad people, they genuinely wanted it to never happen again. But they were being controlled by one of the most powerful addictions to exist on this planet. You have to at least try to understand what that means. They needed help rather than condemnation. I get that this is hard for a lot of people raised during the WAR ON DRUGS to appreciate, but it is true and has been proven many times.
Great talent often comes from an inner drive that comes from places of great pain. What an incredibly difficult time for the band. I wish we could have heard a little more from James and Darcy in the interview
How surreal! What an impact into the future of sound for the Smashing Pumpkins with that line up! Another point worth mentioning; D'Arcy spoke more than 7 words in this entire interview... WOW!
9:15......... "there are very few jimmy's in the world" .......no there is only one and he is the best goddam drummer of all time. With out jimmy there are no pumpkins. The best albums are the ones with jimmy holding the sticks imo.
Reality really hurts.. Some people cant handle it. For whatever the issue the smashing pumpkins had or still have, im still their number one fan in music..
Trivia - Prince released a great song called 'The Love We Make' for Johnathan Melvoin as Prince knew him as he was Revolution members Wendy Melvoins brother....
Herbert Colin Well, I challenge you, Herb, to name a single living rock musician who's as articulate and well-reasoned in both opinion and argument , particularly on matters of interpersonal relationships and the workings of the music business, two issues whch dominate his interviews, than our Billy. Now you could say Dylan but he's only ever said about 2% of what was on his mind, and don't say Zappa. He's been dead for generations. Townsend? Maybe. But he can no longer hear the questions. Peace.
a.m. remorse I'm sure you can justify those choices. I've never heard Reznor speak. Brian Eno creates very boring ambient discs and has collaborated musically with people whose significance will far outlive his. I've heard him interviewed praising the great Scott Walker though, which I thought was nice.
roger murray, are you serious? Like, please Google this, it's well accepted that Billy Corgan is not only one of the most difficult people to get along with, that he is a walking contrarian who has contradicted himself about almost every celebrity he's ever dealt with just to get a headline or cash-grab. I mean, we're talking about a man that swears on his life that he knows lizard people are real because he saw someone once transform into another person in front of him. The band stopped making good music shortly after this interview, with Ava Adore being critically and commercially a flop, and Billy doing anything he can since then to maintain the status he once so enjoyed. I love early SP, but it's like you're from 1999 and haven't read a single headline regarding Corgan since then..
Fantastic band and mixed feelings about Corgan. On the one hand, he is a super-talented singer-songwriter (one of the best of his day alongside Cobain and Stephen Malkmus, Jeff Buckley and many others) and is clearly very intelligent and articulate and I love their music but sometimes I just wish he would shut up and let the others get a frickin' word in. I don't know if it's his ego or just his mind going too fast or what.....maybe a bit of both.
Andrew Rodriguez Thank you, I thought the same thing. What a bitch. They don't say that kind of shit these days. They really didn't say it in the late 90s either she's just.....a bitch. Did I say she's a bitch? Cause, well, you know.....
I blame heroin as the major reason that Rock died in the late 1990's. I mean come on, how many songs about being a depressed junky and how many of your heroes can die from the crap, before you get disgusted of it?
Michael, both D'Arcy and Billy said harsh truths in the interview. Why is she a bitch but Billy, who is actually KNOWN for being insanely difficult to be around, not an asshole? For saying the same things?
I feel dirty watching this. They're talking about addiction like it's this moral failure. Billy only frames the story about Jonathan's death and Jimmy's overdose around how they were such a super inconvenience to him and his schedule.
@@LockedInWithLovebirds It’s not that celebrities can’t talk frankly (and if that were the case I’m not exactly crying on behalf of those poor oppressed celebrities). It’s more that we’ve come a long way in the past 20 years in our clinical and public understanding of how addiction works.
I guess nobody can play better for the Smashings than Jimmy... The Smashing Pumpkins is Billy, Jimmy, James and Darcy, period. The Pumpkins by 2012 was only Billy with other musicians trying to play The Smashing Pumpkins song's. It cannot be the same without them.
I think that is just about practice though. They will have rehearsed everything so hard in the early days because they all needed to get good at it together. Now you have Billy who can play everything standing on his head so he probably isn't motivated to work the band hard in practices day after day anymore. But if they did that, they could be as good.
The Internet Killed Music Maybe you preferred to listen Back Street Boys or NSynch at that time and you couldn't understand The Pumpkins music, what a pitty....
The toll the pumpkins was taking on darcy which estranged her from billy corgan for over 10 years is evident here. shes worn out and full of frustration.
Being an addict myself I learned that the first rule to keep the addiction up is to be a good liar. "we all thought you was in ctrl".. yeah, because I lied too good.
A rock band with drug users, who'd a thought!!!??? Where the hell were you for that past 30 years. I love Pumpkins music but always thought Corgan may be a bit pompous. Its like working at a bar and saying these people drink too much...
Fuck Jimmy is so inspiring. Watching this you would think he would never come back from this. I love that he Billy and Iha are cool again. Wish D'arcy could be there too.
Hahahahaha I love that Billy’s basically lecturing/goofing on a dead guy when he starts talking about the last overdose discussion they had... He’s about as 90s style lacking in self awareness as it gets here. Ugh....I miss these days
They obviously didn't understand how addiction works at this stage. It's the hardest addiction because it's much harder to stop than any of the others. Even if people want to stop they need alot of help and support to do so. If they get ostracised for their addiction and isolated they will feel ashamed and just spiral and use more.
This just reminds me of what an amazing recovery story Jimmy has. He got his shit together and helped keep the Pumpkins alive for the past 17-18 years. So awesome and Jimmy is easily one of rocks greatest drummers ever. We all win from his success by getting to hear him kick ass on dem drums.
There are very few Jimmies in this world so we need to cherish him! ;)
Thank you, I also think JC is one of the best drummer ever, it is terrible to remember this era of the SP... and I still don"t know why they missed saying how JC felt during this time, about loosing his father.... how journalist's world is fucking crap, and who's next going to fall in these fucking' addicted rock bands.... this fucking journalists are the ones to be fired.... FUCK THEM.
I agree. Of course in a sick/artistic way the drugs made that album (MCIS) so dark it is beautiful beyond words, no one wants that kind of suffering for any human being but it really does make the art different/special. I am so glad he is well now. He is 'weller 'than me lol
@RockMeAmadeus I disagree wholeheartedly. Machina is amazing and so is Machina II . Adore is also a piece of work with that first Pumpkins sound - pre-Jimmy era new wave meets goth.
@RockMeAmadeus Then why bother replying to me if you don't care? Just leave it. lol
I think Jimmy is one of the best drummers on the planet ...
I think you’re right, but before Buddy Rich
Jimmy is incredible
He’s literally one that’s never talked about it’s a damn shame. Cause he’s literally one of the greatest out of the 90s.
Have you never heard of Greg bissonette or Chris Coleman or Eric Moore or Matt gartska?
@@Bumbaclot213 as a jazz drummer I have mixed feelings about buddy
Dude is extremely articulate and honest. Have to appreciate it
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Corgan had said years later that he regrets not shutting the tour down so they could heal. Get Jimmy better and so forth. The tough love kind of backfired. Billy said, you live and learn.
You would never see a celebrity talk honestly and passionately like this today.
I was thinking the same thing
Back then there weren’t media backlashes and angry fans unless you said something truly awful. But now with even innocuous things being twisted out of context and social media allowing people to harass and bully others, I can understand why entertainers would be more guarded during interviews.
@@andrewhudson7108 Celebrities had balls back then. Billy still has balls, judging by recent interviews. You talk shit to him and he'll fling some right back.
Billy talks so much sense, he is just a really genuine person.
Yes
He's a intelligent brainiac..that's his best trait
Can't agree more!!
@@jakeytedesco3003musical genius. He wrote Siamese Dream and Mellon collie in his 20s. Think about that. Let that sink in.
Billys Honesty is Legendary.....Love them all...all 4 of them!!!
James and Darcy, with their vacant stares added huge mystic and presence in music videos and live shows. Billy knew this.
Weird that MTV actually used to talk about music lol
With real music they did. Will never compare to the shit today.
97 was the last year i think, before they started going TRL live
Believe it or not.. They used to play ONLY music videos with minimal VJ chit chat. It was pretty amazing.
@@Rand_al_Thor372 Man those were the good ol' days!
@@Rand_al_Thor372 I remember those days....
“The drummer that we have, Matt, now, who’s our drummer...” - D’arcy
bitches be nervous n shit
It’s because she finally had an opportunity to speak up for once lol. She’s not used to being interviewed as Billy used to take all the interview time lol
She was on crack at the time
@@sonyabladesbooty3890 maybe she's nervous or just not articulate. No, she must be high on crack, lol
hah I just commented the same thing
Billy better stop interrupting D’arcy when she talks or she will end up leaving the band, lol.
so jimmy was a genius basically and the mummy's boy did not like it lol
"Well don't inter-f**kin-rupt!"
Oops... too late. lol
That’s what ya call “foreshadowing”. Yup
@@jipsasacno
If it were my band, I’m not sure which would be a bigger red flag, drummer doesn’t turn up for practice because of a suspected drug problem, or the fact that he didn’t turn up because he went to an REM show.
😂😂
You like SP but not REM?
1993 first met TSP and Butch Vig while recording 'Siamese Dream' near Atlanta. They had booked the studio to get Jimmy away from his drug buds up North. It didn't work. He was still fighting addiction when we opened for them on April 9, 1994 - a day after Kurt Cobain's suicide was discovered. I think this shook him to his own fate if he didn't kick.
Congratulations to Jim - a friend, and survivor of those strange days.
Bleikr Sound what band were you in?
K
dude, were you in Red Red Meat? ( www.splra.org/wiki/index.php?title=Tsp1994-04-09 )
Were you in Nelson?
@@TheColourflies The Nightshade Project - we were considered in the ‘Alternative’ and ‘Shoegaze’ genera of the 1990s.
If you want to know how well Jimmy hid his drug problem, watch footage from a show in London in '96 where the whole band is completely lights out perfect
I was really glad to have seen this. It cleared the air on a lot of mixed feelings I might have had in my teenage years seeing them on this tour. I will always love them, what a special fucking band.
Thru the Eyes of Ruby is perhaps the most underrated SP song. It's beyond epic. Heavy, beautiful, mesmerizing, groovy, nostalgic, creative, dreamy, and emotional.
I agree, Thru the Eyes of Ruby is VERY underrated and actually my personal favorite Pumpkins tune, and that's saying a lot..... as there is not a song from Gish to now in the year 2020, that I truly cannot recite every single word to. Have seen them 14 times and of those..... they have played it 3 times live. It was 3 of the most amazing moments and memories in my life!!! AMAZING STUFF!!!
@@kiekosanchez3853 Porcelina on the Vast Oceans add to that.
David R - Either Rocket or Hummer are the most underrated songs.
@@jwebb6352 Yeah after Melon Collie that original Pumpkins era ended. Too bad it couldn't last forever.
It’s gorgeous. Super mesmerizing. When I first heard it I was in awe
I remember this stuff. I was 12. Smashing Pumpkins seemed to be on top of the world. This was the beginning of the end for them.
I’m same age as you. I was there. I think the music changed. Maybe they ran out of good tunes. Like Placebo after 2 albums.
The only drummer who has filled Jimmy's shoes is Mike Byrnes. I'm stoked for Jimmy in that he's now recovered from his addiction. And stoked for the Pumpkins that they didn't break up but continue to create good quality music.
I'm amazed. I didn't realise that Jimmy and James were back in the band
billy is so earnest and passionate here. great archival material from a truly epic band
Ironic how D'Arcy is so anti drug in this interview and it was just a few years later she got heavy into crack.
Did she.....!? Didn't realise that.,.
Yup. That and meth
Google her mug shot. She looked bad when she got popped with drugs.
lol yeah ironic isn't it!
True story 😂😂😂😂
Best Pumpkins interview ever. "If he is not the best Drummer, he is top Three, there are Very few Jimmies in the World"
I don’t think I ever noticed how strikingly beautiful D’arcy is before..
She didn't make it much longer before dropping off the face of the earth and doing hard drugs herself. It's a shame, she was gorgeous.
@@c_o_l_m I heard the drugs did a number on her.
You didnt know Darcy was hot.? So wtf
We will never be friends. She was my first crush
from 1988 to 1996 , she was hot
Corgan is impressive - business man who is coherent and well spoken . Im impressed .
Yeah
He also plays guitar apparently
Thanks for uploading this. They had part of this interview at the end of another video but incomplete glad I found it. The most interesting interview of sp on this subject
Darcy: the drummer that we have, Matt now, Who's our drummer,
I was wondering if it was just me who caught that
@@dcrea9416 haha i know right, gotta love darcy
More clips! You're doing great work!
It makes me sad that one of the Best bands of All time will never be seen again .
this aged well
I met the Pumpkins in Nashville in 92, and Billy is one strange dude...he's also about 6'6" tall, which surprised me.
In which way??
@@NiueanHoney Probably vertical.
Wow ive never seen billy that animated before great stuff man!!!
I think it was nerves, you could tell it was awkward for him talking about it and definitely didn't want to go there
You could see Tabitha Soren lighting the powder keg when she asked "why do you need him so badly?" and he just snaps back "LISTEN!" haha
Great footage.
Nice to see billy seem so open real and raw with emotion. I hate the circumstances but it was what it was. And it was a looong time ago. I'm so thrilled that Jimmy got his shit together. Now him and Billy are back! Billy's new album is amazing as well. Love this band so much 🤘✌️❤️
Billy's laugh and grin when he turns to look at James at 5:10 is very weird in the context of this interview.
I think the camera had to cut at that point for some reason which made for an awkward pause mid conversation
I think he looked over at James at that point because of something about the two overdose incidents that they both knew about....like maybe one of them was defending Jimmy and Jonathan OR one was accusing and then that person realized the truth and felt stupid,
The way James chimes in it seems like maybe he was defending them or maybe he was telling Billy he thought there was a problem all along - something like that.
Definitely seems like they weren't on the same page about it till after the 2nd OD based on what they're saying(and aren't saying) and their body language/nervous laughter.
Lmao that still image they use everytime they talk about Corgan makes me lose it 8:40
It's a still from the (BTS) Bullet With Butterfly Wings video shoot. Fun fact.
Yeah, that short period before he shaved his head.
" *:^V* "
I had tickets for the show at Kiel Center in St. Louis and Garbage was supposed to headline. They were my absolute favorite band and it was a huge bummer when they paused the tour. I was super excited to see them that fall when they got back on the road.
that live Filter footage looks so awesome!
Thanks for posting this stuff
D’Arcy almost started crying when she was talking about the overdose :( Billy just seems angry and James is mostly at a loss for words. Sucks that Jonathon died and Jimmy almost did (thank god he didn’t).
I really don’t understand how D’Arcy went off the rails and became such a drug addict. She seems so anti-drugs (or at least anti-hard drugs) here...
Great points!! I've been thinking that for years about darcy...
Ryan B. - Lots of people have an untreated "mental illness". It's very common, but their lives would be better if they took a daily med. & also had a couple trips to the psychiatrist.
Unfortunately, there is still some resistance to getting help, & totally unnecessary shame attached to going to get help.
More people overall, I think, are going to get help, before it's too late, or they damage their lives & reputation.
I'm wondering if it may have been stage anxiety (that Billy has commented on) and the miscarriage that she explained in an interview last winter.
Both Darcy and James had a real problem with Billy’s dictatorship he had in the band. But James however appears to be a very humble guy and quiet while Darcy seems to be more easily agitated. It’s a shame Darcy had a downward spiral and I hope she’s at least doing better or on a road to recovery.
Somethingclever life happens.
I saw this tour a week after this interview in Canada and they were great.
Great interview. Felt bad for the band. Firing a friend is hard. Thought the interview was intensely honest
12:43 ironically Jimmy is the only bandmates that stay loyal to the smashing pumpkins
that is so true. d'arcy would quit the band 3 years later once jimmy returned clean and sober. a year later, the band called it quits only to return five-six years later but in a different incarnation w/ billy and jimmy.
thevoid99 Thank you, Wikipeidia.
Billy treated D’Arcy and James like shit. The fact that they stayed with him for over a decade despite that is the definition of loyalty.
antstein nietstna my mom and uncle knew all the members before and after they got big. Trust me jimmy all of them had their problems with one another but they kept going.
@@fathomrum jimmy kept secret of the other members problem?
This is...a lot of private info to share with the media. I think it should've been handled differently.
HappilyWithMonotony it was the 90s. Before everyone became fucking cry babies.
They first kept it private...then learned that is how people die. Addicts count on people to keep it quiet. When you know better, you do better and stop being that stupid, not hiding anything and making people accountable.
BA BF bullshit. Throwing people under the bus is not going to stop them taking drugs. Only they can.
You don't seem to comprehend it. It is not "throwing them under the bus" (and seriously, we're not 7th graders), but placing all responsibility and ownership on them, as they are the only ones who can do it, which only happens when all responsibility and ownership lies openly with them.
BA BF you're an idiot. I AM an ex-heroin user, and I've been one for 6 years before I finally was able to quit. Do you know what happened when people revealed my issues to other people? I told them to fuck off, and, if anything, I'd do more H because I was pissed off. I quit because I wanted to, not because people were talking behind my back (or not). Revealing private things such as drug addiction in an interview that is going to be watched by millions of people is not lying responsibility and ownership upon a person, it's being a scumbag. If they really cared they would have helped
him, first by having a serious
discussion and not pressuring people that have drug issues by asking them constantly
"have you taken drugs?? are you sober??" like these idiots admitted they did, which only makes a person want to get high even more, and, secondly, having him rehabilitated in a facility that supplies buprenorphine or
methadone (I don't know about the US but it's free here... and even if it wasn't, they have enough money to
pay for one). They are scumbags (which I expected from Billy but not James and D'arcy) and no one should ever put individuals who have serious issues such as drug addiction and likely depression under public scrutiny. It has never helped and never will. Quitting opioids is hard, it's a lifelong battle, and has little if nothing to do with responsibility. When your addicted to heroin and you don't take it you feel sick and you need a long acting opioid like methadone to stop
the withdrawal symptoms and to be able to taper
off and gradually recover (upregulate) the opioid receptors. All the media coverage and pressure will not
make any difference if a person is sick. They could have avoided Jonathan's dead but they did nothing
even though they knew he had overdosed a few months earlier and this was after Kurt Cobain death so they all
knew the risks involved in heroin addiction. They just didn't care, and the way Billy talks about him and Chamberlain shows what a little man he is.
I think some people have a hard time understanding addiction like that. Billy seems pissed off he was lied to, "We wont do it again" etc. But they weren't lying because they were deceptive bad people, they genuinely wanted it to never happen again. But they were being controlled by one of the most powerful addictions to exist on this planet. You have to at least try to understand what that means. They needed help rather than condemnation. I get that this is hard for a lot of people raised during the WAR ON DRUGS to appreciate, but it is true and has been proven many times.
As for D'arcy ~ she should be with the band on the new reunion tour!
Mishelle Rauth she had all the chances in the world, she didn't want to
Great talent often comes from an inner drive that comes from places of great pain. What an incredibly difficult time for the band. I wish we could have heard a little more from James and Darcy in the interview
Very, very well put.
How surreal! What an impact into the future of sound for the Smashing Pumpkins with that line up! Another point worth mentioning; D'Arcy spoke more than 7 words in this entire interview... WOW!
"... and you never paid for drugs. Not once!"
billy corgans attitude and honesty is more helpful to drug addicts than pretending it isnt their fault
9:15......... "there are very few jimmy's in the world" .......no there is only one and he is the best goddam drummer of all time. With out jimmy there are no pumpkins. The best albums are the ones with jimmy holding the sticks imo.
He is one of the best but every drummer is replaceable. It might change the sound however. Only the songwriter is irreplaceable.
guy died 7 weeks before the interview and they're laughing about it and talking shit about him
Reality really hurts.. Some people cant handle it. For whatever the issue the smashing pumpkins had or still have, im still their number one fan in music..
Trivia - Prince released a great song called 'The Love We Make' for Johnathan Melvoin as Prince knew him as he was Revolution members Wendy Melvoins brother....
Dickie Holmes I didn’t know that, I know who Wendy is she was a long time member with Prince.
Back when u could get to know a band, as humans.
If I were in a band with a leader this clear-headed, talented, and driven to succeed, I'd make it a daily priority to behave myself.
Lol clear-headed? We are talking about Billy Corgan
Herbert Colin Well, I challenge you, Herb, to name a single living rock musician who's as articulate and well-reasoned in both opinion and argument , particularly on matters of interpersonal relationships and the workings of the music business, two issues whch dominate his interviews, than our Billy. Now you could say Dylan but he's only ever said about 2% of what was on his mind, and don't say Zappa. He's been dead for generations. Townsend? Maybe. But he can no longer hear the questions. Peace.
roger murray 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
a.m. remorse I'm sure you can justify those choices. I've never heard Reznor speak. Brian Eno creates very boring ambient discs and has collaborated musically with people whose significance will far outlive his. I've heard him interviewed praising the great Scott Walker though, which I thought was nice.
roger murray, are you serious? Like, please Google this, it's well accepted that Billy Corgan is not only one of the most difficult people to get along with, that he is a walking contrarian who has contradicted himself about almost every celebrity he's ever dealt with just to get a headline or cash-grab. I mean, we're talking about a man that swears on his life that he knows lizard people are real because he saw someone once transform into another person in front of him. The band stopped making good music shortly after this interview, with Ava Adore being critically and commercially a flop, and Billy doing anything he can since then to maintain the status he once so enjoyed. I love early SP, but it's like you're from 1999 and haven't read a single headline regarding Corgan since then..
Fantastic band and mixed feelings about Corgan. On the one hand, he is a super-talented singer-songwriter (one of the best of his day alongside Cobain and Stephen Malkmus, Jeff Buckley and many others) and is clearly very intelligent and articulate and I love their music but sometimes I just wish he would shut up and let the others get a frickin' word in. I don't know if it's his ego or just his mind going too fast or what.....maybe a bit of both.
Swear when he said "we aren't going to retool the band around matt" I was reminded what a pretentious cunt he really was in the 90s😂
"Running a rock band with junkies in it"
Harsh.
Andrew Rodriguez Thank you, I thought the same thing. What a bitch. They don't say that kind of shit these days. They really didn't say it in the late 90s either she's just.....a bitch. Did I say she's a bitch? Cause, well, you know.....
billy is a seriuos guy......a professional.why would he want to be in a band with a junkie who lied to him who could die onstage or tour????wake up
I blame heroin as the major reason that Rock died in the late 1990's. I mean come on, how many songs about being a depressed junky and how many of your heroes can die from the crap, before you get disgusted of it?
Michael, both D'Arcy and Billy said harsh truths in the interview. Why is she a bitch but Billy, who is actually KNOWN for being insanely difficult to be around, not an asshole? For saying the same things?
Thats rock n roll Corgan ,and yes....you signed up for it
It all sounded so intense at that time. In about a year from then though, SP would be yesterday’s news.
Omg I’ve seen this on MTV 20 years ago.... I had that Zero T-shirts too.
Amazing success story. Think of all the greats that didnt exit the 90s....
I feel dirty watching this. They're talking about addiction like it's this moral failure. Billy only frames the story about Jonathan's death and Jimmy's overdose around how they were such a super inconvenience to him and his schedule.
And this is why celebs today (or anybody at this point) cannot not speak frankly. Crystal Generation.
@@LockedInWithLovebirds It’s not that celebrities can’t talk frankly (and if that were the case I’m not exactly crying on behalf of those poor oppressed celebrities). It’s more that we’ve come a long way in the past 20 years in our clinical and public understanding of how addiction works.
@@entertain7us148 you said I feel dirty. Do you understand how stupid this sounds?
@@LockedInWithLovebirds it’s called an opinion…?
@@entertain7us148 you sound like a child speaking like that.
Looking back to what happened some years after, it's so sad to listen to this (10:16) coming from Billy. Only if he knew...
Love u corgan, what an honest person
I guess nobody can play better for the Smashings than Jimmy... The Smashing Pumpkins is Billy, Jimmy, James and Darcy, period. The Pumpkins by 2012 was only Billy with other musicians trying to play The Smashing Pumpkins song's. It cannot be the same without them.
I think that is just about practice though. They will have rehearsed everything so hard in the early days because they all needed to get good at it together. Now you have Billy who can play everything standing on his head so he probably isn't motivated to work the band hard in practices day after day anymore. But if they did that, they could be as good.
I saw them in the 90s and it was boring as fuck.
The Internet Killed Music Maybe you preferred to listen Back Street Boys or NSynch at that time and you couldn't understand The Pumpkins music, what a pitty....
I paid to go and see them you dumbass.
The Internet Killed Music its what I mean... Even more dumb ass yourself who pays to watch a band that you even understand...
When you wake up from a drug stupor with your friend not responding, It will sober your ass up with the quickness lol
I was at that Las Vegas show-fucking amazing then and amazing today.
"Billy, why did you fire D'racy?" ...Billy takes out phone and plays this 1:24 LOLOLOL
And the SP were never the same after he left. Jimmy was the unsung hero of the SP who could match Billys riffs perfectly...
That moment when Darcy is speaking quite compellingly and Billy keeps trying to bring the attention back to him.
Narcissistic Personality Disorder
she kind of seemed like a concerned mother during that part
I think he just was just eager to speak...he tends to have a lot to say
And then in the polar opposite Universe, James sits there in utter silence.
THIS IS REALLY ironic to Hear this and the D'arcy not being there NOW on the Reunion Tour @10:00
yep he speaks almost same way about Her Now, F it we go on without her
The toll the pumpkins was taking on darcy which estranged her from billy corgan for over 10 years is evident here. shes worn out and full of frustration.
1:23 "the drummer mat who is our drummer" lmao
4:24 James' look when Billy says "That's more bullshit drug addict excuses.." is priceless
Huh? His expression barely changed.
Being an addict myself I learned that the first rule to keep the addiction up is to be a good liar. "we all thought you was in ctrl".. yeah, because I lied too good.
A rock band with drug users, who'd a thought!!!??? Where the hell were you for that past 30 years. I love Pumpkins music but always thought Corgan may be a bit pompous. Its like working at a bar and saying these people drink too much...
Sydaball - The fact that many bands do drugs doesnt mean it’s ok. Drugs destroys things.
@Benjamin S Exactly
Omg D'arcy looks so damn cute
This is the definition of musical pressure.
I was at that Vegas show-90’s fucking rocked!
To forgive was such a great choice when talking about Jimmy's struggles.
Is that Dimebag's guitar @ 1:12??? Was Billy friends with Pantera?
yeah I saw the slime pretty sure it's the Washburn not the dean
I love the pumpkins but as someone whos been battling with addiction for a while Billy corgan has no idea how drug addiction works
Just the year 1996 in the Smashing Pumpkins history would make a full dramatic movie or a book. They went through a lot that year.
09:53 - what a great image of what would happen a couple years down the line ...
i feel like Iha did the least drugs
D'arcy was a little drug addict.
She Didn't partake in hard drugs until 2000.
I don't doubt it.
Daniel Mcgreevy How in the world do you know that? Lmao
Billy and james both. Billy only did drugs on gish
Fuck Jimmy is so inspiring. Watching this you would think he would never come back from this. I love that he Billy and Iha are cool again. Wish D'arcy could be there too.
“Tuuuweer”
I saw them with Matt in San Jose. It was definitely a heavier sound, but that was fine for the Mellon Collie songs.
I must've watched this many times I could quote several lines.
Beautiful guitar player hands
Back in the day when MTV had music and interesting music related shows. Sad.
Suicide prevention awareness is so important. Check on your phriends, folks.
Hahahahaha I love that Billy’s basically lecturing/goofing on a dead guy when he starts talking about the last overdose discussion they had...
He’s about as 90s style lacking in self awareness as it gets here.
Ugh....I miss these days
I was at the show in Philly the night before this tragedy.
sone of the great RNR stories of the 90s
Anyone know what the riff is from the beginning of this video is from?
"We don't have to worry whether or not Jimmy's going to explode tomorrow"
-Spinal Tap reference?
I’m just glad Jimmy is still here because it really looked dark for him
They did the best thing for Jimmy.
I love that RASPY HEROIN VOICE. 2 years late to the party
They obviously didn't understand how addiction works at this stage. It's the hardest addiction because it's much harder to stop than any of the others. Even if people want to stop they need alot of help and support to do so. If they get ostracised for their addiction and isolated they will feel ashamed and just spiral and use more.
The Wayback Machine.
What was the second song that was playing in the background? After cherub rock
BE I think it was snail
Thru the eyes of Ruby