@oldmanjesus9855 nope 40. But the lead demo for DBZ when it originally came out where males in there late teens to early 20s. And it originally Aired in the UK around the early 2000s. I believe the american fans will be abit older than us original uk fans as it came out in the US a good few years before it arrived here.
@@iamapoorman that's crazy. Let's say I'm french, I would've watched the OG series in the mid 90s and DBZ in the late 90s, all that before I was 10 years old, same goes for spain, italy, even several countries in latin America including Mexico, where Dragon Ball started airing in the early 90s, a whole decade before the UK apparently. So if you're telling me that English speaking countries only started watching dragon ball in the early 2000s, you started incredibly late, in 2000 or 2001 GT was airing in Europe and latin America.
alright, as someone who has watched most of dragon ball and is completely caught up with One Piece I can say that it has got nothing on One Piece, the only flaws in one piece i can think of are the bad pacing and the plot armour and dragon ball has both of those and for the "Dragon Ball Fans" that say it doesnt, you haven't watched dragon ball, for example, on namek it was sait to take 5 minutes for the planet to explode IT TOOK 10 EPISODES
It's a fact that the time it took Namek to explode is 5 minutes. You can stretch it across 10 episodes, or just blitz through the manga chapter in the 5 minutes. That wouldn't mean it took multiple hours for Namek to explode.
I think we all can agree that all anime fandoms are toxic whether it is dbz,one piece,one punch man,jjk etc.If you have a problem with the fandom hate the fandom but if you have a problem with the anime dont watch it insead of ranting on the internet why you dont like the the anime cuz at the end of the day these are just fictional stories and characters and your just wasting your time arguing over whose stronger or which anime had better story. Everyone has their own taste and other people should not be ruining their exprience by badmouthing the anime they watch and love dearly.
There other anime's like Avatar: The last Airbender/Legend of Korra. Voltron legendary defender. Those are the animes I can think of that press on moral chemistry and puts more emotional weight
I agree with most of what you said, but I don't think there's anything wrong with discussing anime with people who share the same interests as you, if people start arguing and getting mad I agree, but talking about the stuff we all love is what makes the community great!
I’d say from Dragon Ball is more of a fun adventure and we are along the ride with a(unknown to us that’s he’s an alien) monkey boy on his quest to be strong. It’s when we go to Z the narrative ramps up. Saiyan saga was Goku and everyone realizing he’s an alien and from his brother no less. From the start, Goku doesn’t accept being a Saiyan. Going off to fight his own brother to save his son, then dying for it. Gets revived and saves the remainder of his friends and son again. No dragon balls because Piccolo died. Not like he couldn’t fight, because they would’ve found him anyways in search of the dragon balls and he’d have better odds teaming up with the Z fighters. After Nappa’s death, Goku vs Vegeta happens and go all the way to the Great Ape Fight. Goku has a moment and realizes(because Grandpa Gohan told him a story of a great ape that comes out on a full moon), that he’s the one that killed his caretaker and terrorized the tournament as a kid. At that point Goku started partly accepting himself as a Saiyan but holds on to his earthling values. Not speaking on him sparing his enemies to fight them again because there isn’t much a moral complexity there(exception being saving Piccolo’s life because Kami’s life being linked). The stakes are high because they must revive everyone that died in the Saiyan invasion. Due to the previous arc, the Namek Sags kicks off because Freeza wants the dragon balls. Both Good and Evil are chasing the dragon balls. If anyone dies on Namek, that’s it for everyone. Goku, meanwhile, is training and reflecting on being a Saiyan. He comes to Namek referring to himself as one(somewhat); in contrast to calling himself an earthling. It isn’t until he fulfills and Saiyan legend after the death of Krillin(because Goku assumed and tells King Kai, Krillin can’t be wished back) that he says “ I Am The Super Saiyan, Son Goku!” Namek and Saiyan arc subtle story of Goku discovering and accepting who he is, then tying in Bardock, Father of Goku special to defeat the tyrant that Goku was unaware used and hated his people. So boom, everyone is revived and there’s peace on earth until Android saga. Because Goku trashed the Red Ribbon, Gero made machines to kill him, a direct consequence from Dragon Ball. Goku gets hit with a heart virus and in our timeline, he lives. Goku changed and was thinking about life would be better if he was dead and he should bring Gohan as Earth’s defender because from Goku’s perspective, he can fill the role. Goku can see what Gohan can be, but Gohan cannot. Thats where Goku misunderstands his son; yes, he fights to protect others but Gohan wasn’t ready to bear the responsibility in contrast of Goku who would do anything to protect his friends. People may argue he doesn’t kill Freeza, but remember Goku tried to on Namek and had to kill him in Trunks Timeline. That narrative of The Sins of the Father trope, and being a parent in a Shounen is subtly there. Then Goku believing that he’s better off dead to provide earth peace for 7 years is a huge thing because Goku was gearing Gohan to take his place when it happens. Goku comes back and the narrative was the next generation, but that didn’t go well. So that gets dropped for Goku learning the Shonen trope of strength in other’s through the spirit bomb. Goku normally gets energy from non-living things and animals, but the one spirit bomb that works was the one that gathered energy from the people of earth. It wasn’t enough, until Goku got his energy back and added his power to the spirit bomb. It’s the typical Shonen trope, but Goku normally tries not to rely on others, evidence being the victory against Vegeta and telling Krillin he wants to fight him with his own strength(paraphrasing). It wasn’t until the spirit bomb that he actually considered it. Now Super… Eh, it’s hype but it’s not as narratively subtle or constructed like Z imo. It’s fun, but Z had pretty real stakes.
Thank you for the effort of this comment! I respect your opinion and appreciate the feedback, the narrative definitely peaked in Z for me, and Super was more of a hypefest, and I really am a fan of dragonball there is just a couple things they do that hurts it for me.
Super is pure trash man, they Color swapped SS turned it Blue & called it a new form. Then they are at 50 years old the strongest characters are a Cat God & a Feminine Angle as the strongest. As for death thats not a problem man as the weight of dying is a problem. As For Naruto you went to far its trash Believe It
@@Salem-x7myou named 1 guys video too? Okay? what about the 1,000 other videos that say one piece is in a completely different league……do you just ignore reality or are you salty one piece is the highest selling manga/anime of all time? Like you’d have to be either a child or just mentally slow to actually think dragon ball is better written or a better show
@DaKing540 yes db is still better written. one piece is just full of narrative contradictions and you tell me its better written? it also take almost 30 years and its still unfinished cope one pice is trash the art is trash the world building is trash fuckin artificial world building convult power system cringe corny jokes that 5year old would fall asleep to
Most of us watched DBZ in our 20s when it 1st aired in uk. Not seven. Also, with the ocean dub.
Are you 50? Because otherwise that doesn't make much sense.
@oldmanjesus9855 nope 40. But the lead demo for DBZ when it originally came out where males in there late teens to early 20s. And it originally Aired in the UK around the early 2000s.
I believe the american fans will be abit older than us original uk fans as it came out in the US a good few years before it arrived here.
@@iamapoorman that's crazy. Let's say I'm french, I would've watched the OG series in the mid 90s and DBZ in the late 90s, all that before I was 10 years old, same goes for spain, italy, even several countries in latin America including Mexico, where Dragon Ball started airing in the early 90s, a whole decade before the UK apparently. So if you're telling me that English speaking countries only started watching dragon ball in the early 2000s, you started incredibly late, in 2000 or 2001 GT was airing in Europe and latin America.
@@oldmanjesus9855 6th of March 2000 was the original air date of DBZ in the UK
We also didn't get the OG Dragon ball until 2003
forget the video 0:40 that mf mr satan has a golden phone.
So did I until I made this video LMAO
alright, as someone who has watched most of dragon ball and is completely caught up with One Piece I can say that it has got nothing on One Piece, the only flaws in one piece i can think of are the bad pacing and the plot armour and dragon ball has both of those
and for the "Dragon Ball Fans" that say it doesnt, you haven't watched dragon ball, for example, on namek it was sait to take 5 minutes for the planet to explode IT TOOK 10 EPISODES
...those episodes took place during 5 in-universe minutes.
It's a fact that the time it took Namek to explode is 5 minutes. You can stretch it across 10 episodes, or just blitz through the manga chapter in the 5 minutes. That wouldn't mean it took multiple hours for Namek to explode.
Yeah dragon ball defo has some pacing issues as well, they can't deny that LMAO
Yes but it don't change the fact that his first super saiyan transformation and that fight with freiza took SO LONG, the pacing was bad
@@HiddenSH_ don't get me wrong dragon ball is a good show but come on it doesn't mean it's the best anime
I think we all can agree that all anime fandoms are toxic whether it is dbz,one piece,one punch man,jjk etc.If you have a problem with the fandom hate the fandom but if you have a problem with the anime dont watch it insead of ranting on the internet why you dont like the the anime cuz at the end of the day these are just fictional stories and characters and your just wasting your time arguing over whose stronger or which anime had better story.
Everyone has their own taste and other people should not be ruining their exprience by badmouthing the anime they watch and love dearly.
There other anime's like Avatar: The last Airbender/Legend of Korra.
Voltron legendary defender.
Those are the animes I can think of that press on moral chemistry and puts more emotional weight
Korra? Lmao
@@caesargold3695 do you have better example than Legend of Korra?
Only in the Europe has the toxic treat , we dont have this problem in Asia
I agree with most of what you said, but I don't think there's anything wrong with discussing anime with people who share the same interests as you, if people start arguing and getting mad I agree, but talking about the stuff we all love is what makes the community great!
I’d say from Dragon Ball is more of a fun adventure and we are along the ride with a(unknown to us that’s he’s an alien) monkey boy on his quest to be strong. It’s when we go to Z the narrative ramps up.
Saiyan saga was Goku and everyone realizing he’s an alien and from his brother no less. From the start, Goku doesn’t accept being a Saiyan. Going off to fight his own brother to save his son, then dying for it. Gets revived and saves the remainder of his friends and son again. No dragon balls because Piccolo died. Not like he couldn’t fight, because they would’ve found him anyways in search of the dragon balls and he’d have better odds teaming up with the Z fighters. After Nappa’s death, Goku vs Vegeta happens and go all the way to the Great Ape Fight. Goku has a moment and realizes(because Grandpa Gohan told him a story of a great ape that comes out on a full moon), that he’s the one that killed his caretaker and terrorized the tournament as a kid. At that point Goku started partly accepting himself as a Saiyan but holds on to his earthling values. Not speaking on him sparing his enemies to fight them again because there isn’t much a moral complexity there(exception being saving Piccolo’s life because Kami’s life being linked).
The stakes are high because they must revive everyone that died in the Saiyan invasion. Due to the previous arc, the Namek Sags kicks off because Freeza wants the dragon balls. Both Good and Evil are chasing the dragon balls. If anyone dies on Namek, that’s it for everyone. Goku, meanwhile, is training and reflecting on being a Saiyan. He comes to Namek referring to himself as one(somewhat); in contrast to calling himself an earthling. It isn’t until he fulfills and Saiyan legend after the death of Krillin(because Goku assumed and tells King Kai, Krillin can’t be wished back) that he says “ I Am The Super Saiyan, Son Goku!” Namek and Saiyan arc subtle story of Goku discovering and accepting who he is, then tying in Bardock, Father of Goku special to defeat the tyrant that Goku was unaware used and hated his people.
So boom, everyone is revived and there’s peace on earth until Android saga. Because Goku trashed the Red Ribbon, Gero made machines to kill him, a direct consequence from Dragon Ball. Goku gets hit with a heart virus and in our timeline, he lives. Goku changed and was thinking about life would be better if he was dead and he should bring Gohan as Earth’s defender because from Goku’s perspective, he can fill the role. Goku can see what Gohan can be, but Gohan cannot. Thats where Goku misunderstands his son; yes, he fights to protect others but Gohan wasn’t ready to bear the responsibility in contrast of Goku who would do anything to protect his friends. People may argue he doesn’t kill Freeza, but remember Goku tried to on Namek and had to kill him in Trunks Timeline. That narrative of The Sins of the Father trope, and being a parent in a Shounen is subtly there. Then Goku believing that he’s better off dead to provide earth peace for 7 years is a huge thing because Goku was gearing Gohan to take his place when it happens.
Goku comes back and the narrative was the next generation, but that didn’t go well. So that gets dropped for Goku learning the Shonen trope of strength in other’s through the spirit bomb. Goku normally gets energy from non-living things and animals, but the one spirit bomb that works was the one that gathered energy from the people of earth. It wasn’t enough, until Goku got his energy back and added his power to the spirit bomb. It’s the typical Shonen trope, but Goku normally tries not to rely on others, evidence being the victory against Vegeta and telling Krillin he wants to fight him with his own strength(paraphrasing). It wasn’t until the spirit bomb that he actually considered it.
Now Super… Eh, it’s hype but it’s not as narratively subtle or constructed like Z imo. It’s fun, but Z had pretty real stakes.
Thank you for the effort of this comment! I respect your opinion and appreciate the feedback, the narrative definitely peaked in Z for me, and Super was more of a hypefest, and I really am a fan of dragonball there is just a couple things they do that hurts it for me.
Better than what Hollywood comes up with, all i have seen is remake after remake ,atleast Dragon ball makes it interesting ,
I agree with you there, hollywood makes some shit
if they make goku not goofy more serius itl be a little better and add blod its just punching for 300 frames
Yeah that would help
It’s the truth but DB fans will get so mad over someone saying this. It’s mostly style over substance.
that glaze is wild lol.
@@Larry-g5v4zwith how you’re using it, you clearly don’t know what that term means
They will, and I'm not evening hating but they will get mad and hate because I said smth bad about DBZ and they cant accept it lol
LMAO
Super is pure trash man, they Color swapped SS turned it Blue & called it a new form. Then they are at 50 years old the strongest characters are a Cat God & a Feminine Angle as the strongest. As for death thats not a problem man as the weight of dying is a problem.
As For Naruto you went to far its trash Believe It
Yeah it's defo got its problems
Berus , zeni and all the characters in that arc is sooo funny 😂😂😂 also team four stars dragon ball is the best 😂😂😂
LMAOOOO
I have a theory.
*Gohan just rages every now and then.*
LMAOOO
the narrative of luffy being hard worker is shitly written. db is still a better show ok go watch jordandragonlees video
Every shonen protag is basically a god compared to the pissants around them
@caesargold3695 not goku goku died fighting taopaipai weaker than all saiyans without dragon ball he never become super saiyan
@@Salem-x7myou named 1 guys video too? Okay? what about the 1,000 other videos that say one piece is in a completely different league……do you just ignore reality or are you salty one piece is the highest selling manga/anime of all time? Like you’d have to be either a child or just mentally slow to actually think dragon ball is better written or a better show
@DaKing540 yes db is still better written. one piece is just full of narrative contradictions and you tell me its better written? it also take almost 30 years and its still unfinished cope one pice is trash the art is trash the world building is trash fuckin artificial world building convult power system cringe corny jokes that 5year old would fall asleep to
It's not but I respect if you like it more, it's a fun show, but it's not better
Cowboy bebop is, to this day, still my all-time favorite anime. Thank you [adultswim]
I love Cowboy bebop, great take!