The unspoken truth about getting into the Ivy League.

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  • @tonglu3699
    @tonglu3699 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +786

    I used to want that Ivy League stamp of approval so badly. I recently heard a Harvard professor say that the most important value of getting a Harvard degree is you will never be impressed by a Harvard degree anymore. Well, my disillusionment came somewhat more indirectly - my graduate school advisor taught 7 years at Princeton before he went to my school for tenure. One semester I was his TA for a research methodology course. I told him that I understand how foundational this course is to understanding all social sciences, because I also took this course as an undergrad. He then told me that in his first year at Princeton, he taught this course and 1/3 of the class failed. He ended up giving those failing students Cs instead because he found out you had to fill out a huge amount of paperwork to even give a Princeton student a D, let alone failing one.

    • @craig6363
      @craig6363 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      After working with and seeing the research of some Harvard grads and other Ivy league grads, def was not impressed. I'm a methodologist by the way.

    • @craigwinters5724
      @craigwinters5724 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      You mean C-? Because that is below a 2.0 and is basically a failing grade since you must maintain a 2.0 average to remain in good standing. It looks like you passed them even though it may cause them to flunk out.

    • @tonglu3699
      @tonglu3699 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@craigwinters5724 I was in grad school in the early 2010s but my advisor’s story took place in the 1980s. Policies might not be the same back then. I didn’t pay that much attention to letter grades when I was in school, and it certainly means nothing to me now. I was on the interviewer side in the last few job interviews I was involved in. The only aspect I cared about of the candidates’ schooling was that I believe certain technical foundations require formal training and are hard to learn on the job. So I’d ask candidates whether they took certain key courses and test the depth of their understanding in those subjects.

    • @iambor1393
      @iambor1393 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Keyword being average. So long as you don't score that low in every course you can still pass

    • @johncarr2333
      @johncarr2333 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Thanks, that random dubious anecdote was really helpful.

  • @EmilyFoxSeaton
    @EmilyFoxSeaton 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +256

    You can write your own ticket after graduating from the ivy league because everyone is looking to hire people who go there -- not because of their brains, but because they come from a powerful family. I went to an ivy and I didn't know that. I got tons of recruiting interviews but no offers. They used the interviews to find out if I was connected. I was not. But I still had better opportunities because peopl just presumed I wouldn't have been at such a school unless I was connected.

    • @shhhyourtooloud257
      @shhhyourtooloud257 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      interesting! what kind of connections exactly do you think they were looking for?

    • @cassascorner611
      @cassascorner611 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      @@shhhyourtooloud257 Rich and powerful. Probably for their own ambitions.

    • @tricia007100
      @tricia007100 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      It's a sick game. I had the same type of thing with the on campus interviews.

    • @EmilyFoxSeaton
      @EmilyFoxSeaton 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      @@shhhyourtooloud257 Found out a C student friend was the son of my Congressman. Didn't have the same last name.

    • @legalfictionnaturalfact3969
      @legalfictionnaturalfact3969 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Emily, a lot of these people change their names so that the family can't be linked together. I've got a nice Ace up my sleeve on one of these families. :-)

  • @brothberg
    @brothberg 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +395

    I've been involved in STEM education for years, and I went to MIT and Harvard. The truth is that if you go to a flagship state university, and you get into the honors program, you will get as good a STEM education as you would have in the Ivy League. Any you'll save l alot of money. This is not always true for graduate programs, which depend on the professor or lab you work with. But it's absolutely true for undergraduate degrees.
    I don't know about humanities programs.

    • @mujtabaalam5907
      @mujtabaalam5907 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

      You won't always save money at a state school. The poorer you are, the cheaper Ivies are

    • @chickensalad3535
      @chickensalad3535 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Ivies are more affordable and are prime for networking opportunities.

    • @happycamperds9917
      @happycamperds9917 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@mujtabaalam5907If you are academically successful enough to get into Ivy League you can probably get full tuition at some State collages.

    • @appa609
      @appa609 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      The reason you go to MIT etc. is you make a bunch of friends who will go on to get top tech jobs, you schmooze up to professors who are top in their field if you want to stay in academia, and 5 years after graduation you'll have a dozen firms begging you to take their 6 figure job.

    • @Jack-kf1tn
      @Jack-kf1tn 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      yeah but it will be 10x harder to get a better job due to competing forces. Better degrees equate to more success in the job market.

  • @kats4319
    @kats4319 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +228

    Ivy League master student here. I actually completely disagree with this video. I was a top student in my state university, couldn’t get a decent job because good firms simply don’t recruit there and won’t even interview. Went abroad, got ok-ish job and worked on making my MBA application flawless. 4 years after undergrad degree, got my Ivy MBA, countless job offers more than 5x higher salary than what I was offered before, incredible lifetime friends and also a global network of alumni. The level of teaching was on a much higher level and the contribution of classmates invaluable. My first employer re-paid my entire MBA tuition. Ivy diploma was definitely worth it for me.

    • @ij9375
      @ij9375 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Insightful comment 💯

    • @TommyDavidVerbal
      @TommyDavidVerbal 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      What state school was it

    • @minaamk9821
      @minaamk9821 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

      I think thats what his point of the video was, that the IVY league stamp makes everything better, just by the stamp look at all that happened to you.

    • @TiffanyLand
      @TiffanyLand 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks for sharing 😊

    • @alexanderd.9460
      @alexanderd.9460 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@minaamk9821 Imo, he is saying the stamp doesn't matter, and that all that matters is the quality of the student. You are going to achieve what you set out to achieve.
      But in reality, that is only the case in some professions. I believe he is mostly talking about undergrad. Getting into a top school, Ivy League or not, is very important in the fields of law and business. It also makes your journey to the top easier. Also, this is YT. It is popular to hate on the Ivy League because most people want to hear this as high percentages are rejected.

  • @therealdeets
    @therealdeets 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

    i already know that if this video was shared with every senior barely making it through the college admissions process, their perspective on ivy leagues (or just prestigious universities in general) would change A LOT. thank you for this video, i feel so seen

  • @RukaiyaRisha-r1t
    @RukaiyaRisha-r1t 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +104

    As a senior applying to schools, this video made me feel seen. thank you and keep up the great videos

  • @shawn14isme
    @shawn14isme 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +41

    As someone who attended both a community College, a state university, and taken Harvard classes, i can say from experience that the classes taught at harvard are exceptional. They arent selling you just a feeling or an experience. You are actually getting a higher quality education. The professors and content is a lot more tangible and meaningful.

    • @JinaMukherjeeF
      @JinaMukherjeeF 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      can it also be that ur specific state and community college didnt have exceptional classes? Many other schools may also have amazing profs and education besides ivies

    • @LHHELPS
      @LHHELPS 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@JinaMukherjeeF in theory, ivies and other prestigious schools often attract better professors

    • @JinaMukherjeeF
      @JinaMukherjeeF 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@LHHELPS They attract better RESEARCHERS* not necessarily good professors

    • @LHHELPS
      @LHHELPS 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@JinaMukherjeeF professors GENERALLY do some research or publish

  • @strayorion2031
    @strayorion2031 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

    Sometimes is a hard pill to swallow the fact that you wont have access to the same resources Ivy grads had, but its reassuring knowing ambition is a more important factor determining where you are going to end up

    • @dootscat3798
      @dootscat3798 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Not true. The alumni and business connections of public ivies for example are outstanding.

  • @OneMoreDesu
    @OneMoreDesu 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    The value is in the connections. The older I am the more I see the truth in "Its who you know, not what you know"

  • @spuriustadius5034
    @spuriustadius5034 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +131

    Students today have way more pressure than my generation. The stakes are so much higher. I wish these students (and their parents who are behind much of the pressure) would just try to find the "best fit" school rather than focus a ridiculous amount of attention on a handful of Ivy League schools. Ease off on "the prestige" a bit, and just find a place where you can get an excellent education and career launch.
    But instead, folks are now hiring consultants to coach their kids through the "Ivy" admission process (starting well before senior year). We've heard the horror stories on the news, but the sad truth is even when everything is above board and legit, too much pressure and misery gets piled on these kids. They can't afford to slip up even once. It's an ugly situation.

    • @erinm9445
      @erinm9445 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      I don't know that the stakes are actually any higher now than in the past. They just feel that way because of the way the culture piles on the pressure (aided and abetted--though mostly unintentionally--by parents).

    • @daysofend
      @daysofend 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@erinm9445 This generation needs external validation in whatever way possible. Modern culture, internationally, has created a cult around elite schools based on their history. Going there is the "easiest" way to get validated.

    • @coolboywawa8977
      @coolboywawa8977 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@erinm9445 Nah it is because of the rising population and standards are getting higher especially from immigrant parents because of the sake of money and comeptetion . Something like htat

  • @РусскийПатриотЯша
    @РусскийПатриотЯша 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +109

    Isn’t it time for us to understand that what really matters is what you accomplish through your work not the university you attended?

    • @jimmy13morrison
      @jimmy13morrison 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      What really matters is if you were born in a rich family or not

    • @Felipe_Ribeir0
      @Felipe_Ribeir0 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Not so simple. While i agree that the money is the boss everywhere, there is a level of knowledge that must of us can get to just by doing really hard courses, the ones that can require more than we would like of weekly studies just to go through.
      I had this experience with undergrad subjects like calculus and linear algegra. I was able to see first hand how my course was a lot harder than from some friends studying the same subject elsewhere, and how i was struggling to pass the tests and wouldnt learn so much otherwise.

    • @jimmy13morrison
      @jimmy13morrison 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @Felipe_Ribeir0 my point is that you dont get 200k a year as a senior executive right out of school because you had good grades. You get it because mommy or daddy is the boss

    • @РусскийПатриотЯша
      @РусскийПатриотЯша 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@jimmy13morrison Tbh it has its weight but it's not a crucial or the most important thing

  • @MOTV583
    @MOTV583 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +115

    This is the best college admissions video I've ever seen...ever. This is a raw, blunt, and honest truth that a lot of people, especially parents, aren't ready to hear. You can apply this to almost any other college as well except the bar is much lower.
    Edit: It's sorta like the NBA Draft. Yeah a lot of players may feel like a team is doing them a favor by drafting them and taking them out of the hood, making them millionaires, and giving them a chance at generational wealth. However, they're not doing that to be altruistic, they're doing that because they're betting that you will become a superstar, take their team to the championship, and make the owners and the league richer.

  • @papa-pete
    @papa-pete 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +54

    I’m attending an Ivy currently and personally I’ve found it to be the most affordable because of the financial aid. The added bonuses are networking opportunities and great professors.

    • @farhiyamohamed___
      @farhiyamohamed___ 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Which ivy?

    • @papa-pete
      @papa-pete 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@farhiyamohamed___ Brown

    • @papa-pete
      @papa-pete 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@farhiyamohamed___ Brown

    • @TommyDavidVerbal
      @TommyDavidVerbal 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      There's no metric that an Ivy League Prof is better than non Ivy. Perhaps in your mind there is but there's absolutely northing that proves that.

    • @papa-pete
      @papa-pete 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@TommyDavidVerbal I agree, I wouldn’t go so far as to say one university has better professors than another. I think that’s comparing apples to oranges. It all depends on what department, what class, etc. In my case, I am studying Computer Science and Economics at Brown. It may be different for a humanities student. I have taken a few courses outside of my field though and have found them to be equally valuable, such as one on International Affairs taught by Lyle Goldstein or a class on Dante’s Inferno and Purgatorio taught by Ronald Martinez.

  • @PhrontDoor
    @PhrontDoor 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    The diff between the Nike and Harvard analogies is interior vs exterior.
    You generally get Nike for how it makes you feel.. you get Harvard because of how it makes OTHERS think of you. It gives you two edges -- networking and marketability.
    With Harvard, you become part of the brand.
    Maybe you get the same education as other institutions, but honestly, who cares - you'll need real training and experience after college anyway and everyone knows that.
    Basically, it's like going to a loan-officer and either being a waitress or a neurosurgeon.

    • @leotheliongames
      @leotheliongames 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      To be fair, people buy designer brands to seem “cool” or “trendy” to others. Although Nike isn’t quite on that ludicrous level, it still somewhat applies

    • @sparemedat5453
      @sparemedat5453 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think generally speaking you’re probably right but Harvard can be a part of the interior branch and Nike as part of the exterior as well

  • @ThomasTheThermonuclearBomb
    @ThomasTheThermonuclearBomb 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    "Nike = Winning"
    Greeks: Well yes obviously

  • @qntmsea4631
    @qntmsea4631 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Interesting video. If a person is already at the top (very small percentage), time is precious at any age, especially so during the high school years. So the hard question is whether it is worth spending some hundreds (if not thousands) of hours getting that GPA / SAT perfect -- or not... Happy new year and may the algorithm be kind!

    • @spoonfedstudy
      @spoonfedstudy  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That’s a very interesting point you raise. Also, thanks so much for the super thanks 👏, you rock!

  • @IceCream-ey2kg
    @IceCream-ey2kg 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +52

    this makes me feel a lot better as a person who has 7 apps due in 4 days, half of them ivies. my dad said i can relax, but i guess it hasn’t sunk in fully until this video

    • @keylanoslokj1806
      @keylanoslokj1806 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      As an older person i assure you almost noone asks about your school in real life. Your actual skills and personal networking, are the 90% of success

    • @spoonfedstudy
      @spoonfedstudy  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Whatever happens, you got this!

    • @dontreadmyusername6787
      @dontreadmyusername6787 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@keylanoslokj1806I would have a very diverse set of skills by the time i graduate
      But networking i absolutely suck at

    • @coolguy-bs7kr
      @coolguy-bs7kr 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Same, I also have like 10 apps due 😢

    • @IceCream-ey2kg
      @IceCream-ey2kg 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@keylanoslokj1806 that's something i slowly realized as well. i know i will carry my passion and determination with me whereever i go, and i am determined to make something out of myself.

  • @YyNRCyY
    @YyNRCyY ปีที่แล้ว +19

    This was a super enjoyable vid. No other way to put it. If I had a social media following I would plaster this everywhere because it’s that good.

  • @sapristi455
    @sapristi455 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

    I really like the message here ! That's how I see things : Harvard and other Ivies or optional ; I do want to apply because I will regret it if I don't, but I mainly focus on developing my potential. I want to go to an Ivy because they objectivity offer an excellent education. I know there's also this stamp of approval, but really that's not my main interest. I like to have this mindset of improving myself and eventually getting into an Ivy, because it doesn't make me dependant on them.
    Anyways, nice video 👌🏻

    • @harmonicarchipelgo9351
      @harmonicarchipelgo9351 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Ivy League schools aren't really known for providing good education to undergrads. They focus mostly on research and recruitment since that is where the prestige comes from. They are known for making classes difficult, but difficulty doesn't actually mean you learn more.
      If your main goal is just to find a great education, look for a more student centric school. If you already have a major in mind, look for a school that has a well run department for that major. Try talking to students or graduates of prospective schools to see what they thought about their classes/teachers.

    • @amethsall9153
      @amethsall9153 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@harmonicarchipelgo9351Princeton has a really good undergraduate program if not the best out of the ivies

  • @johnvonachen1672
    @johnvonachen1672 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +74

    My friend got into Harvard. He was poor but had stellar academic credentials. He said they were not academically strong at all. Most of the students there were rich kids who were not especially smart. He said his degree did not benefit him at all. At least he did not need to pay anything. He just wasted 4 years of his life.

    • @johncarr2333
      @johncarr2333 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Random dubious anecdote

    • @creepynutsrl
      @creepynutsrl 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      fr? I thought ivy league schools at least give you good networking opportunities, bruh.

    • @minoena
      @minoena 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@johncarr2333 why are you replying this to literally every anecdotal comment.

    • @karami8844
      @karami8844 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Rich kids are what you’ll mostly see at any well-known university, Ivy League or not. They’re the ones who party, travel and whose parents personally know the deans or university president. Meanwhile, us poor kids work hard to keep our grades high in order to keep our grants and scholarships. No time to enjoy life.

    • @Felipe_Ribeir0
      @Felipe_Ribeir0 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      A smart poor guy gone through harvard for free and "lost 4 years"? I really cant make any sense of this statement.
      Unless he studied some random useless subject, or had some other issue. Otherwise, with little effort he could join some FAANG company or similar.

  • @ash_2279
    @ash_2279 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Nice vid. Saw your other videos on focus and the one with the inverted pyramid method, your content has taught me some useful information. Thanks.

    • @spoonfedstudy
      @spoonfedstudy  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks Ash! Love that you’re here

  • @HH-xs2gm
    @HH-xs2gm 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    This is the truth lol.
    I went to a large public university and later went to Harvard. I realized it wasn't the school that I needed to get into to become "successful". My public university is the root of my knowledge and in turn provided me the ability in changing the world just as much as if it was an "elite" education. However, having also went to Harvard, it simply validates my belief. Made me believe in myself even more. That extra boost does help in creating idealism and vision to become even more ambitious than I believed to be possible.

  • @dawson9736
    @dawson9736 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    Hi I just wanted to say this video has changed my outlook on the future, so thank you very much! -senior awaiting decisions

    • @spoonfedstudy
      @spoonfedstudy  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      I seriously loved reading your comment. This video was literally made with you in mind, for people feeling possibly uneasy with college decisions. Regardless of what decision comes in the mail, your ability to be awesome is and will always be under your control. You got this!!

  • @ambinintsoahasina
    @ambinintsoahasina 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This gave so much more mental clarity that it made all the other videos about Ivy league admission I watched on other channels irrelevant

  • @justusmzb7441
    @justusmzb7441 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The stamp is pretty secondary. The contacts you receive and the quality of the research facilities can really help in research and other opportunities. It will also help in e.g. finding investors in the future, or having that one contact into a company you want to work at.

  • @SK-vk9jf
    @SK-vk9jf 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    As a person who is one of those human beings that evolved to be against everything I observe with awe how easily manipulated people are. On the other hand, they would probably be in awe after hearing anything I ever thought.

    • @indridcold9593
      @indridcold9593 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      O enlightened one, you alone are immune to the propaganda which has blinded the masses. Please bestow your boundless wisdom unto us lowly wretches such that we may comprehend even a fraction of your brilliance.
      (we're joking, right)

    • @quadroninja2708
      @quadroninja2708 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      hahahahahaha you know, pride is a sin! You would probably be in awe when you acknowledge where you go after death!!

  • @jar6595
    @jar6595 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    This was incredible and very true.
    -signed: an ivy grad

  • @3days0000
    @3days0000 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Love your penetrating insight and wisdom in this psychologically insecure world. Please do more. Help our poor kids to unleash their potential

  • @DeltaTesla-ph9yh
    @DeltaTesla-ph9yh 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    As someone with 2 master degrees and getting a 3rd one, all from a economic, public university, I couldn't care less about Ivy Leagues, but this video is still interesting to watch.

    • @fitnesspoint2006
      @fitnesspoint2006 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      so i hear lots of folks at bars, work, friends who say they are working on their second master or getting ready for a third...but none of them have the prestige or turns heads as when a friend goes I have a PhD in neuroscience or xyz. People immediately listen, the person with the 2.5 masters degree not so much...just speaking from experience.

  • @jamesevans1104
    @jamesevans1104 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I graduated from technical college in 1985. I've served 2 US president and was a member of judicial watch served 2 years. Now I'm 61 yrs old and in taking 2 courses online at Yale. Professor Bloom is tough!! But I've already had phycology in highschool and college. But I love being able to get back to college.

  • @rafaeldeangelo6294
    @rafaeldeangelo6294 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    College admitance is so weird for a non-american. In my country major universities are public-funded: neither tuitions nor any other fees are charged, and admittance is based only on the results of a two-stage exam - open to everyone, regardless of their age, where they studied and their income. There are some quotas to black and poor people. Of couse funding is decreasing and most of the admittees came from middle and upper classes, but it is a way more "meritocratic" than US's.

  • @jl5973
    @jl5973 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I feel that the ending of this video downplays how much difficulty is heaped on by rationalising that 'successful' people were always destined to be successful. Sure, similar levels of 'success' (money?) might be achieved, but this doesn't take into account (1) the journey and how much more difficult things had been potentially, and (2) what potential was lost out on, i.e. how much more they could have earned. Would have to see the study itself, but would be curious as to whether the donor applicant students actually brought down what the average successful life looked like. But more broadly, if you're already facing a disadvantage in the job market due to factors such as race, not having any possible advantage just makes things harder.

  • @Allen-v1r
    @Allen-v1r 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I would argue over the last few years top students have been going to mid tier schools. Just look at the lack of SAT/ACT reporting at the Ivey leagues.

  • @TheTruth-cg8vj
    @TheTruth-cg8vj 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    All the big tech companies recruit at U of Waterloo in Canada - and just about nobody has ever heard of the place. What more of a disconnect could there be.

  • @danielwillis12
    @danielwillis12 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Absolutely love it!!! Looking forward to your next videos!!! Uns uns uns uns uns

    • @spoonfedstudy
      @spoonfedstudy  ปีที่แล้ว

      Haha thanks Daniel! Good to see you here again my man

  • @katefrost7486
    @katefrost7486 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    only one thing that bothers me in this video is that the author was using his Harvard degree as a stamp in previous videos, like “Harvard doctor explains”. anyways, i love the point of the video and wish good luck to the author and everyone applying next year just like me:)

  • @johndempster4598
    @johndempster4598 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I wish I could have seen this video years ago. I’m a recent undergraduate and am planning for law school, and have stressed so very much about getting into a prestigious enough school.

  • @mijaelmarcelovillarroelchu6513
    @mijaelmarcelovillarroelchu6513 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I liked your video, I am from Bolivia and I personally had planned to go to study at an Ivy League university or some Korean or Chinese university since I think that this way I would get the prestige that I longed for in the past when I was even more immature. What I am now I have a little more mental clarity and I even go to therapy and since I have just graduated from high school I am trying to get to know myself more since I am taking pre-med courses that last 3 months, I already took my first exam and It didn't go well, I got a 26/100 so I'm still thinking about what I'm really good at and I'm interested since I think medicine is not for me.

    • @BobbyFisaher
      @BobbyFisaher 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      keep trying man, you got this, vamos

  • @enrichedtalks
    @enrichedtalks 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Excellent video. Every high schooler needs to see it.

  • @giovannajames8479
    @giovannajames8479 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    School Counselor here- that return on prestige analogy is gold!

  • @Hyvexx
    @Hyvexx 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Oh boy imagine my surprise when I learned in class that Harvard's endowment grows at billions every year. This also makes me feel a lot better that I decided not to apply to Ivy Leagues.

  • @Kiwi-ku1ui
    @Kiwi-ku1ui 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wasn’t that impressed at first but after watching through the video. I enjoyed. Thanks for making it.

  • @choksheak2lau697
    @choksheak2lau697 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Told my kids not to consider Ivy League schools, or any private universities, at all. I have nothing against them, but the ROI is simply much lower than that of a "normal" public school.

    • @fatassj
      @fatassj 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      It’s not about money, it’s about networking. There’s a reason most of the successful teams, especially in tech, started from classmates in privates. If your kid is bound to change the world with ideas and innovation, consider putting them in the same room as others who may as well! EDIT: Plus, privates can offer financial assistance.

    • @MuffinPunk
      @MuffinPunk 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Depends on your income level and what your kids are interested in. Also depends completely on what you're defining ROI. Telling people to not consider them whatsoever seems a bit black and white, though.

  • @simonAdeWeerdt
    @simonAdeWeerdt 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey, nice summary of the Ivy League business model.
    Sympathies for those that need that stamp.

  • @Jaonq
    @Jaonq 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Now we just have translate this video to Chinese and other non-english speaking Asian countries languages for the parents there to understand

  • @ella2234
    @ella2234 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My undergraduate students at Penn State receive a lot more comprehensive math and chemistry education than at Princeton (I taught in both, and the quality of my average undergrad is also better at Penn State). It is true that undergrad programs at Ivy Leagues are not superior to those in other places; people go there for connections. However, it is completely different for graduate students and postdocs. Ivy League schools have better research resources and usually get a lot better graduate students as these programs are competitive, and you do not get there by simply being an athlete or leaving a legacy. For a research professor (at least in STEM), it is a lot more beneficial to be at a top school than a second-tier university, especially if your research field requires a lot of expensive equipment that many small schools cannot even afford.

  • @yperboreus
    @yperboreus 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I get your point that Ivy League institutions are cash cows operating under the guise of charities, but 'Corporation' had a much broader meaning in the 17th century, when capitalism wasn't even fully developed. The relevant context here is the legal one, see OED 'corporation' 5a: "incorporated entity with the capacity to act as a legal person, having an identity in law distinct from those of the individual or collection of individuals of which it is comprised at any point in time."

  • @aqple
    @aqple 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This video opened my eyes. I'm dropping out of the Ivy League. The only reason they accepted me was to benefit themselves.

    • @JinaMukherjeeF
      @JinaMukherjeeF 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      why would u drop out? U get the network and resources

  • @HL-fy8nq
    @HL-fy8nq 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    One more truth: I still want that Ivy League stamp. I may not need it, but I want it.

  • @MasterOfTheUniversePSD
    @MasterOfTheUniversePSD 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video!... and great shirt! Where did you get it?

  • @giovanni007
    @giovanni007 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How are European students perceived at Harvard? Does earning a Master’s or Bachelor’s from Harvard carry the same level of prestige-the same "Harvardiness"? I’m asking because I’m from Italy and came close to attending HDS with some courses at HKS.

  • @supermat1937
    @supermat1937 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video, but please adjust the glasses sorry to be picky but when I saw it I couldn't unseen it keep up the good work!

  • @Nordic_Sky
    @Nordic_Sky 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My daughter is at Stanford. Here is a simple truth: for life success, what you study is much more important than where you study.

  • @Divinefemininemiracles
    @Divinefemininemiracles 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi new sub. Can you do a video on solving problems? I am avoiding lots of small things which lead to bigger problems because I dont know how to find a solution eg, trying to create sacred space to write but have stuff that I don't know where to put it but dont want to throw away and thus have no sacred space thus do not right thus delay my purpose etc. i have many little problems causing me big headaches so to speak.. also i cannot focus on one goal i have a bunch of stuff that must be sorted this year so many "goals" each are pretty much equally impt. I am overwhelmed with both these issues. You seem v good at this stuff so ... ty

  • @xxaavviieerrrrr
    @xxaavviieerrrrr 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    man this is such a high quality video thanks for the insight

  • @muhammedergeshov226
    @muhammedergeshov226 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i love this video and you so much, as you revealed ivy League, as a business, that great people will become great anyway. Though i still want there because ivy League will collect great people and i will make them my friends)

  • @JoeCnNd
    @JoeCnNd 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    2:55, you're looking at that all wrong. I feel more sorry for the 2014 kid because they had to spend that much money just to get them in. The 7 million kid seemed smarter and his daddy didn't have to spend as much to get them in.

  • @Literallyarealhuman
    @Literallyarealhuman 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The first kid was a menace so to get the second one in he had to sweeten the deal.

  • @artraft5142
    @artraft5142 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The best thing to do is to have a look into the Supermarket that s nearby these Universities to see which are the Cell Capabilities of the Region!

  • @robertn2951
    @robertn2951 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have never been to an Ivy League school. Can you tell if calculus thought there is different from in a State University? Are the laws of physics better there? Are chemical molecules better there? Are electrons at Harvard different from those of a public university in Finland? Why are Finnish universities free if they study the same electrons?

  • @blockthis08
    @blockthis08 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    2:08 From Columbus, Oh ...Wexner owns the city.

  • @__________5737
    @__________5737 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    There are a solid 20 excellent schools that are all reasonably equivalent for outcome. And I have known many excellent people from even state schools (but you are going to have to work very hard. The saddest thing is these investment funds we call college will never increase class size to protect exclusivity despite that being the best thing for the country.

  • @bakangndaba
    @bakangndaba ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Well, that explains legacy admissions

  • @ThePenguinsKing
    @ThePenguinsKing 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Why did TH-cam recommend me this video? I don't live in the US and don't plan to.

  • @DalbirChana
    @DalbirChana ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My understanding was that the City of London Corporation was the oldest corporation in the Western hemisphere, in that it is west of the Prime Meridian.

    • @erinm9445
      @erinm9445 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      That's a technical geometric definition of the western hemisphere, but most people use western hemisphere to mean the Americas, and eastern hemisphere to mean Europe, Africa, Asia and Australia.

  • @pensulpusher2729
    @pensulpusher2729 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    These truths are pretty spoken honestly

  • @lemo4128
    @lemo4128 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm glad I realized these things before watching this video

  • @Rusputin-eo6tv
    @Rusputin-eo6tv 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Facts. All this knowledge is already up here, on the Internet. Since you don't have some key knowledge to break through and do it your own. You have to give it up 4+ years and paying huge bags for some ppl to do it for you.
    But in the end, it's just knowledge, that could be easily obtained through some trials. All these PhD was just there as a QC employee to verify if you can do it other than actually mentoring, and over the last decade, we saw huge amount of ppl doing it with out these PhD mentor =)))

  • @sapinordinaire4484
    @sapinordinaire4484 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    you changed my life in a good way ^^

  • @Solis_Pulchrus
    @Solis_Pulchrus 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I'm a graduate from a mid level school and I still got a good job after graduation.
    School name doesn't mean everything

  • @foxfireglo8290
    @foxfireglo8290 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Although you don’t need an Ivy school degree, some employers do care where you go to college. A reputable, competitive state college will be fine, but some of these very low tier, small, private colleges just will not get people the same job opportunities.

  • @levi8676
    @levi8676 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    2:57 What if its the 26 million kid we should feel bad about? Maybe the 7 million kid was so good that his admission didn't require a larger donation 😎

  • @TechArtAnubia
    @TechArtAnubia 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Damn, i dont know how i ended up here but this was very insightful.

  • @brothberg
    @brothberg 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So many have replied to my comment saying "the education at the Ivys may not be better, but you get networking and connections that will help your career. "
    This is immensely overblown. It's true that if you want to move to NYC or Wash DC, you will have a better chance getting into some industries (consulting, Wall Street, DC legal firms) with an Ivy degree. But in tech, it basically doesn't matter. If you apply for say, a programming job, you will have an audition. If you are smart and well educated, you will do well. If not, no. Even in law and Wall Street, the Ivy degree will only help getting your first job. After that, it's all you. I've lived that life, and I know.
    Also, most people do not move to NYC. They stay in the state that they are from. In that case the network from the flagship state U is actually better.

  • @abrin5508
    @abrin5508 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Go international if you don't have max $ - cambridge, oxford, edinburgh, singapore, toronto. Still corrupt but not on this scale - you may even actually get in on talent.

  • @dootscat3798
    @dootscat3798 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When their main criteria is how much your parents make or can donate or who the student knows (legacy, friend of school, and other unethical criteria) the student quality will of course decline. That’s why in STEM fields like engineering and CS where you can’t BS your way through and succeed in the real world, non-Ivy schools outrank the Ivies. Employers know this and are much more certain of the quality of an aeronautical engineer from Georgia Tech than Harvard for example.

  • @EggNever
    @EggNever 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Honestly when the guy said "when you think of the Ivy league, what do you picture?", I pictured expensive cash.

  • @theanswerisfortytwo8481
    @theanswerisfortytwo8481 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    As someone that's attended a top university and a not so great university, there is a difference. At the top University all the professors were amazing and I learned so much from them. I think it's worth trying to get in even if you had to pay to do so. I think this cynical take on top universities has some truth to it, but I do think going to a high quality university is important and worthwhile.

    • @ironmatic1
      @ironmatic1 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Through attending a top university, you should be able to see the flaw in your logic here.

  • @josephhobbs4680
    @josephhobbs4680 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    It is proven though that you will perform better if you're surrounded by people similar to your own skill level because of the realistic comparisons you subconsciously make

    • @sparklenights5421
      @sparklenights5421 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      yeah so it sucks extra for those who dont have much money, and try but aren't seen cause they just don't have the ressources

    • @MuffinPunk
      @MuffinPunk 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@sparklenights5421 What do you mean? If we're talking the U.S. and low-income people that need a full ride, they have resources to access the institutions in this video. It's not a guarantee, as with anything you're applying for, but people do have access. It's less about being seen (if you're meaning like "discovered," or something similar).

  • @NyikaWachira
    @NyikaWachira ปีที่แล้ว +7

    YOU ARE THE PRIZE

    • @spoonfedstudy
      @spoonfedstudy  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Never forget it!

  • @carolmartha8449
    @carolmartha8449 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Brilliant comments . My partner is Harvard Penn ,Mensan ,intertel , high IQ society member, wealthy Irish family. He really doesn't care about his degree ,he started life on wal street for a multimillion dollar salary ,at that time ,there was an entrance to be hired into walstreet and his scores were the highest ,he was investigated and hired on multiple company heads immediately, my boyfriend was so angry they doubted his intelligence and decided to do what he wanted to do ,go sky diving and become a fire fighter 😅.but of course he started working for the government as an analyst

    • @daysofend
      @daysofend 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      >doesnt care about degree
      >cares about being doubted
      He definitely cares, but he pretends not to. This is the weirdest insecurity case I've read in a long time. Perhaps his parents never validated him.

    • @carolmartha8449
      @carolmartha8449 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@daysofend the point is ,there are tons of high IQ people with iv league degrees ,it's is the only place they get in because they are that good . Lol ,u don't have a clue , who the man I'm with . Intellect is above iv leagues ,and trust me he's on another level. The top students at Harvard are more open and accepting of their own kids going into B tire schools . Insecurity is probably the way education has played in your life , which u believe everyone else has . I'm an non iv league student, also u are young. I'm in my 30s and he is in his 60s ,so things were different

    • @Leangreen69
      @Leangreen69 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@carolmartha8449sugar baby defending her sugar daddy lmao

  • @duckymomo7935
    @duckymomo7935 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The quality of education doesn’t improve or differ just because it’s Ivy League sure math 55 is notoriously hard but it’s because it’s super fast paced
    The content or quality has not changed

  • @zahraistired
    @zahraistired 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    wait if it’s business, why do they give 100% need based scholarships? also what can I do to approve my application , I know this sounds dense but in my country that’s how I’ll climb the ladder

  • @HeyPaulhasopinions
    @HeyPaulhasopinions 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very nice shirt … bought the same one just a day before watching your video 😂

  • @gaspartiznado6418
    @gaspartiznado6418 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Actually, the Universidad de Santo Domingo and the Universidad Michoacana de San Nicolás de Hidalgo are the two oldest functioning universities in the Western Hemisphere (founded in 1538 and 1539 respectively), predating Harvard by almost 100 years.

  • @debojyotibanerjee2832
    @debojyotibanerjee2832 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    please make a video on how to be consistent in studies

  • @petacopta2594
    @petacopta2594 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Double Ivy grad here. This video isn’t entirely true. The biggest addition these schools add is the network. You’re rubbing elbows with olympians, Nobel laureates, celebrities, millionaires, and business owners. As students. Just being in that environment will make you shift into another gear and realize a potential even you didn’t realize you had. Plus, these people will serve as future contacts and professional partners that can make doors open. If you believe that success is based on merit alone, think again. These institutions provide the missing piece. Not because they start teaching classes on secrets of life, but because they are a huge networking ground for the top. And yes, there are many examples of students at these schools that became nothing, but my comment is about the average student. This is not even to mention the doors that open because you’re a graduate of these schools. There are top finance and consulting firms, for example, that won’t even look at your app if you’re not a graduate from specific schools. if you don’t care, good for you. If you do, realize how steep the climb is gonna be.

    • @robnelson6545
      @robnelson6545 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      But do the connected students talk to the non connected ones or is the average student not going to benefit from this? And if you are already connected couldn’t you make these connections without the school or is it just easier?

    • @petacopta2594
      @petacopta2594 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Even in top schools the rich will congregate with the rich and the connected will posse up with the connected. But, if you’re going to these schools, then there’s really nothing average about you and people will want to know you. Plus this will likely be the only time in you’re young adult life where there will be many structured opportunities to hang out with people you otherwise have no business crossing paths with.
      Even if you are connected, there are never enough connections with good people. Going to Ivy schools just increases your odds of increasing and maintaining a solid connected network. It’s definitely a bigger deal for those of us not born with a silver spoon. You get it there.

    • @theuserofdoom
      @theuserofdoom 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      True, there’s also a culture that’s really different I think. I went to a state school then a top ivy. The way students act, and their priorities, are way different. One big thing I really appreciate about ivy is that people aren’t afraid to be passionate even if it could seem cringe. I got clowned on a lot for saying or doing stuff that’s not “normal” or “cool” at my state school. At the ivy, I got challenged instead - so I was forced to think through my thoughts more.

    • @SangsungMeansToCome
      @SangsungMeansToCome 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sounds like brainwashing. @@theuserofdoom

    • @SangsungMeansToCome
      @SangsungMeansToCome 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Or in other words, it's where the rich find the henchmen, goons and functionaries they can employ to keep them rich.

  • @antihypocrisy8978
    @antihypocrisy8978 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A lot of students were legacy admissions, and didn't deserve to be there on merit alone.

  • @jimmy13morrison
    @jimmy13morrison 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Rich kid go to ivy schools-> rich kid get high paying job because of nepotism-> wow ivy schools get you high paying job because they are the best
    I feel like someone somewhere might have skipped a couple of beats

  • @didem1
    @didem1 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This video managed to say something novel in a youtube space saturated with Ivy League click bait.🎉 And the little illustrations were top notch 😂 I went to Yale for my undergrad and I agree w pretty much everything you said. "The best and the brightest" mentality is not only factually false and elitist it is also kind of a self fullfilling prophecy. What I would add is that even if these schools added zero value to a student, just the sheer dream or delusion we all buy into makes them places where some really smart and ambitious people end up going (minus the nepo babies) so that was the best part of experience for me but the world has millions of incredibly smart people - certainly way more than the artificially maintained 5-7% that are admitted to Harvard or Yale each year.

  • @sukapow
    @sukapow 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I feel like ivy leagues, universities, and colleges will end up like encyclopedia

    • @danielsouroujon4650
      @danielsouroujon4650 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      interesting. why?

    • @sukapow
      @sukapow 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@danielsouroujon4650 every businesses are competing with the internet. So much knowledge on it.
      Universities used to have secret vault of knowledges before internet was a thing.
      I can learned so much things on it, I just need a good computer

    • @MuffinPunk
      @MuffinPunk 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Also curious about why you feel this way. Unless the U.S. has a downfall like the Roman Empire, it seems unlikely just because of how ingrained in our culture it is.

    • @sukapow
      @sukapow 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MuffinPunk have you heard of the 10,000 years clock in California.
      It's basically a alarm clock if we survived in 10,000 years.
      They're haven't been a nation survive over 10,000 years.
      United States of the American used to be a country where one man feel comfortable to have one job and provide end meat to his family unfortunately middle class status is hard to achieve specially rent costs ridiculous in America. Rent costs monthly.
      We got international students on visa taking American jobs and illegal immigrant too. We build too many houses in America. Where I live, it's only houses and a military base... everyone mom kids forced them to focused on computer science. Young generation thinks web development is the future.. but computer science degrees was always useless..
      But people don't understand that most big tech companies got a nepotism problem.. if you put a Indian as an ceo, then you will get Asians (Indian, Chinese, Korean, and ect ) working in your company. They're country is twice bigger in united state.
      How can we take over a country without using violence.
      Simple by taking the native jobs 🧐. Make the native homeless. Let be honest, most average Americans are lazy. We got a homeless crises and I feel bad for the veterans... oh yh, let have universities accept international students higher than a native. My university, we had too many international students...
      Canada was smart to kick the international students out of their country.
      I blamed the internet and airplane existence...

  • @watchbenfail
    @watchbenfail ปีที่แล้ว +5

    But Jordan went to an ACC school ... anyway, I went to Columbia and promptly disappeared into obscurity; joke's on them I guess!

  • @moonmissionpassagetototali1952
    @moonmissionpassagetototali1952 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Harvard’s wokeness and leftist political support, along with the fallout from the Claudine Gay “it depends on the context” and plagiarism scandals, have severely diminished its brand. Harvard Yard was closed for several weeks this spring while the Harvard authorities mollycoddled antisemitic “students” with antisemitic placards camping out in the Yard. Harvard has squandered the prestige that it had carefully cultivated for generations in order to advance leftist ideology.

  • @coolguy-bs7kr
    @coolguy-bs7kr 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This Makes so much sense especially since one of their required supplemental essays is "How do you hope to use your Harvard education in the future?" crazy...

  • @tjmbv8680
    @tjmbv8680 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Pro Tip: just drift around on campus to meet the students and drop in on lectures.

  • @kautilyapodagatlapalli6128
    @kautilyapodagatlapalli6128 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you so much for this video. It is truly inspiring !

  • @tianyuema4797
    @tianyuema4797 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This video is really good! Thank you for enlightening me!

  • @mastete002
    @mastete002 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is so different compared to the Swedish university system, where admissions are based solely on grades and entrance exams.

  • @tenderneckless
    @tenderneckless 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I want to see part 2 !

  • @jk6273
    @jk6273 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In the ivies, there are great number of meritocratic kids who shine their brand names.