Steve Baker on the Tory implosion and how the party rebuilds | SpectatorTV
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- Steve Baker, former MP and Conservative minister, joins The Spectator's political correspondent James Heale on Spectator TV for his final interview before he takes a break after losing his seat in the general election. He discusses the future Tory leader, the rise of Nigel Farage, and why he's the man that 'knows how it's done.'
// CHAPTERS
00:00 - Why Steve Baker lost his seat
02:06 - Is it Rishi Sunak’s fault?
05:21 - Who comes next? Suella?
13:25 - What do you make of Keir Starmer?
17:06 - Is Nigel Farage the future of conservatism?
22:35 - Interview with George Osborne and Ed Balls and election night and what’s next for Steve Baker?
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'We behaved like clowns' Actually you behaved much, much worse than that. Your Tory party, for which I had previously voted for the whole of my life, behaved for 14 years with arrogance, contempt, heartlessness and dishonesty towards the British people and our beloved country. You have taken a wrecking ball to almost every aspect of our life in the UK and trashed any shred of honesty, competence and trustworthiness the Tory party ever had. You deserve to be out of power for 2 full terms at a bare minimum.
In fact your lousy, rotten party, riven by infighting may never be forgiven, ever. Over the last dismal 14 years it became ever more transparently clear that you put Party above Country at every turn which is unconscionable and disgraceful.
Well said! What they have done is nothing short of evil. Tory WEF puppets replaced by Labour WEF puppets. Good riddance!
Wonderfully put
I think Baker's bemusement towards Suella Braverman's speech ties in with what you say about the Tory's dishonesty. In case he's still wondering, her audience is the voting public and Tory party members who will understand exactly where she's coming from. Baker seems to prefer the ploy of keeping people in the dark until after the candidate is elected so that policies contrary to what people thought they voted for can be inflicted. In other words, he wants to continue with government by sleight of hand.
Hahahaha the derangement 😂
@@gdok6088 we no longer have a true Conservative Party, just a bunch of horrible self interested, ignorant, corrupt charlatans who wouldn’t know how to conserve anything if it slapped them in the face. I consider myself a traditional liberal, I’ve never voted Tory but I would actually consider voting for a Conservative Party if they intended to preserve some common sense! I’d disagree with them on certain issues no doubt but the central left have been captured by identity politics so a genuinely conservative movement would be preferable to Starmer who will finish what Tony Blair started. What an absolute shambles
This guy has been on a management course run by David Brent. He has a massive ego and a level of arrogance off the scale. Parliament is a better place without him.
There s definitely plenty of Brent in him.
Deffo reaching out to a higher ground.
😂
God he’s insufferable
He is utterly and completely delusional and seems to be quickly developing a near messianic complex since his defeat. On the morning after he lost his seat I thought it was just a case of a severe huff. But it's escalating fast.
Wow, this guy is so far up his own arse.
Steve, a man who believes his own publicity.
He’s totally deluded just like the majority of Cons..
This is unfair.
@@AutoAlligator not altogether.
ERG era and all the pride has gone. Very normal Steve Baker! Thank God safe seats don't exist 🙏
He said they should be professional, professional grifters maybe but otherwise there has never been a more incompetent government who's biggest preoccupation was how well they could lie.
This guy is the worst type of politician... this conversation is all about defending himself and throwing everyone else under the bus. People like this are the problem, he seems to think politics is about talking nonsense instead of true leadership. "I have 30 years of experience...", good for you - I don't care.
Exactly, his words are as an empty vessel, a rattling can.
He's very peculiar - an absolute egomaniac
Spot on he kind of blamed sunak. ,and yet sunak was voted back in but he wasnt
You mean the type of politician with a high achievement personality who succeeds in getting things done .
And knows right from wrong and served in the Armed Forces. No wonder your country is going down the drain..the voters judgement is broken.
Enjoy Labour.
@@merseybeat1963served in military doesn’t guarantee good policies or good conduct. The fact of the matter is, he is a constant back-stabbing, climate denying and self-serving politician. Stabbed multiple leaders in the back, went to Greece for vacation after the election was called and blaming everyone else for the utter incompetence of his lot in the government. So a political player with no intellectual capacity.
Steve Baker is so unbelievably arrogant! What an embarrassment
The whole play the white man nonsense really grated by the end. Oh and apparently he once read a copy of the Harvard Business Review.
“Half my voters stayed home, what can you do?”
Has he tried removing his head from his anus?
Exactly what I was thinking.
Shocking that such a likeable fellow could get voted out
Listening to him here - he's not interested in what's good for the nation, he's more focussed on how to bring down and expose Labour at any cost to the country.
'We behaved like clowns'. No, you behaved like traitors!
'Ive led Tory MPs through successive crises successfully' Really Steve? Why have you all been fired then? Could it be that your view of success just doesnt chime with the voters view of it? It may be that your focus on managing the party rather than managing the country has been the problem. Good riddance.
What a maggot.... "I've led Tory MPs through successive crises successfully", that we caused...
It is not about votes.
It is about the state of the country
I agree.
Not to politicians it’s not.
What I thought, public service, you’re their public servant, they can ignore you, or opt out, leaving others to make a choice, rejecting you by proxy. Steve Baker isn’t the worst tory, he’s quite competent, but he’s in a party that has gone cuckoo; all ideology and show boating.
He seems to think that half his voters staying at home had nothing to do with him.
@@johnwhale8316 He seems to think these voters were "his"....
He really does. What a turd.
… but it’s not his fault, everyone else is to blame!
After the failings of the Pandemic many will be dead.
The whole interview was him contradicting himself within minutes. It's a level of insanity.
Ironic how he's banging on about how to win friends and influence people when after 5 minutes I'm uniquely repulsed by him in ways no British politician has managed, he's a cartoon character of sociopathic arrogance.
It’s the necklace 😅
I couldn't believe he actually said that interview with Ed after he lost his seat came across well. His condescending pat me on the back tone here is just so irritating to me.
Spot on. He's a strange man.
Wow! As a sequel to 'how to win friends and influence people', can somebody write a book called 'how to do an interview and not come across like a conceited arse' and give Steve 50 copies...
I think he must have read too many NPL books...
Ha ha. I have't read "How to Win Friends..", but I have a feeling that if Baker read it he didn't understand it.
I’m surprised we could see Steve Baker in this video, he was so far up his own arse.
I could just say this guy is full of himself and a bit of a narcissist. But during my professional life I had to engage with about a dozen MPs of the two major parties. They were all, every one like him, most were much better at hiding it.
Christ ten minutes of him is enough make anyone stay at home !
Super comment, couldn’t stop laughing 😂
He comes across Very Alan Partridge - no self reflection what so ever and blames everyone and everything for his defeat apart from his own actions - truly tragic - lets hope he plays no part in public life going forward.
I'm afraid politics has driven the poor man mad. The arrogance and lack of insight into what mattered to the electorate is stunning. And - me, me, me.
I was thinking exactly this but you articulated it perfectly.
Politics has driven a fundamentally decent man completely mad. Lacking outside perspective and self involved.
Genuinely sounds like David Brent.
Needs a good rest. Go play some golf or something
@@juliansmart7240 “needless to say I had the last laugh”
"..has driven the poor man mad" .. what a wonderfully short commute!
In a nut-house everyone is mad.
I don't know: he was pretty scathing about the party and its direction.
This fella really loves himself, obnoxious self praise no wonder he lost his job
He's on here to land a new job.
If he's so brilliant, why did half "his" voters stay at home? I think his arrogance played a big part.
Oh how will the Tories survive without him? Talk about arrogance. A mediocre politician in a party of mediocre politicians.
@@robfaulkner7016
That’s too kind. Mediocrity would have been something of an achievement
RAF guys always think they're entitled to rule.
@@judithdavidson2356 May worked so hard to achieve mediocrity, and she missed by a mile.
How can anyone take this man seriously?
i agree , he is terrible , he makes the other tory's look good
He stood up to May over Brexit. He was genuinely tenacious & achieved real good. I think people thus assumed he had other positive qualities.
@@simontmn
Regrettably he doesn't.😅
I don't. I used to during the Brexit fight(I actually thought the was genuine then), but his rather fake fight against lockdowns really grated - and then I saw his true colours - he is an utter fake.
@@alphabetaxenonzzzcat 30 years though
The ego on this guy!
Massive ego 🤡🤢
Ex-RAF. What did you expect?
At more than one point, he sounded like David Brent.
Typical Tory narcissism.
@@mindyerownbusiness-p7t Ex-military types are generally the most arrogant and out-of-touch people you can possibly meet. All the way down to those who peeled potatoes on HMS Whogivesashit.
No wonder he lost his seat. He is so in love with himself and doesn't stop going on about how great he is. Yuk!
What a humble man. A huge loss for the cou... I can't stop laughing
Love the sarcasm in some of these comments!
Everyone else's fault! They never learn
They will find out next election, by then sub 100 seats I suspect.
After this garbage, I now know why the Tory party lost big time.
A prime example of a person with narcissistic traits . His utter lack of self awareness and humility shines through in every sentence. Professional psychological examination recommended for most MP's.
Is he another parody MP?
"I gave it to them good and hard" lol
He is hillarious! Brent and Partridge vibes😂
No it wasn't because of fucking d-day or betting, it was because your party isn't actually conservative.
Its either us the voter or the WEF, whats it to be?
He really believes his own BS 😂😂😂
Never trust a man over the age of 16 who is wearing leather jewellery.
I didn't know that Alan Partridge had gone into politics. Completely & utterly oblivious to how ridiculous he is. Amazing.
You confuse him with Grant Shapps aka Schnappsy, Alan's good friend.
It’s ALWAYS someone else’s fault with the modern Tory party.
Did you watch it or just mouthing off
Isn't that how we have a Labour government? Cohesion and collective responsibility are important but the truth is also important. 14 years in power is impressive. Particularly when we are the highest taxed nation across Europe with amongst the worst public spending per capita. To have made working families worse off is not the best result. People will remove a Government that has achieved so little. That is the beauty of democracy.
@@TimComley Did you watch it? because his comment was on point. He's blaming everyone else except himself. But it's people like Baker that helped destroy the tories and now he's acting like it was nothing to do with him and his ego.
@@AutoAlligator It would be impressive if they'd actually done something worthwhile with that 14 years.
He's the epitomy of why former Conservative party voters will no longer vote for them. Hubris, arrogance, blaming others, lack of integrity.
Worst government of my lifetime.
Give them a chance they have only been in less than a week.
Blair government.must be the worse
@@JohnPretty1 masterful
Yes. I thought New Label (sic) was the worst government in the history of western democracy given the disasters of Iraq and Afghanistan etc. But the Tories have spend the last few years surpassing them.
I really don't know what that was? Bloke who likes the sound of his own voice perhaps??
He said he didn’t want to disparage the leadership candidates but threw Suela under a bus. Not very gentlemanly.
Baker seems to think that the Tories' problem was just a question of presentation and process. But they were toast even before D-Day, the betting scandals, and every episode of Conservative in-fighting put together.
Lots of bitterness here.
I lost it when he talked about his 'eight years of success'. Oh, the stories we tell ourselves...
Baker seems to have an opinion of himself, not matched by his ability. He does not seem to realise the economic shit show he has left behind, that he helped create. He has gone on a few management courses and repeats verbatim the content. Arrogant, ignorant and yesterdays news.
At more than one point, he sounded like David Brent.
have you seen his leadership skills though 😂😂😂
I do not agree.
Deranged.
My former local MP. Unreachable and hardly ever seen in his constituency. Needed the boot.
If Steve Baker is such an inspired, charismatic leader, would he not have been re-elected with a large majority?
Andrew Bridgen was reelected. Because he is an honest man.
I don’t think he’s saying he’s charismatic as per se.
@@paulinetipper1351Andrew Bridgen lost the election in his North West Leicestershire constituency. He barely got over 1,000 votes and finished below Labour, Conservatives, Reform, Greens and Lib Dems. The Conservative candidate got 15,000 votes, and Labour got 16,000, Reform 9,000 for reference.
Although I’m sure he won’t be too disappointed because Bridgen has suffered massively as an MP for being so outspoken, and has lost of lot of his personal money and his business as a result of being targeted. So at least now he can be free to live somewhat under the radar. Resistance GB TH-cam channel did a lengthy podcast with him last month, where he explained how much his personal life has suffered due to being outspoken on certain topics.
@@stoutyeoman818 or have been given a big job in the cabinet. His colleagues didn't see anything
@@maxhaughton1964he jolly-well is
I feel Suella is the only one who realises they're not coming back from this. Baker taking an offhand swipe at Braverman for not wanting men in girls' changing rooms really exemplifies just how out of touch they are.
Yes, we the electorate are also the audience
Yeah that was disappointing because I like Steve Baker generally
Hes a Libertarian.
Of course he's pro Rainbow butchery.
@@realMaverickBuckley I guess they don't count men masturbating in women's toilets or breaking them on the sports field as violating the non-aggression principle.
American here, so maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, but it seems to me that Suella Braverman was just about the only one who truly cared what the voters wanted.
She had to literally chase down other ministers in the corridor, attempting to get them to talk about immigration. Astonishing.
As an American listening to this guy I can understand why the conservatives got absolutely trounced.
Here in America we on the right do NOT lack enthusiasm for our guy! 🇺🇸 ❤ 🇬🇧
No , but once Trumos gone, sadly your Republucan party will be 90% guys like Steve.
Trump has not only destroyed the Republican Party but is about to inflict calamity on the US if elected.
Republicans.....the World is laughing at you...... really 🇬🇧
You mean the convicted felon who wants elected autocracy and is not allowed to hold an alcohol licence? We managed to have a peaceful transfer of power without riots and killing 5 police officers. We don't need your type of enthusiasm for political shambles, legal corruption and autocracy. Good luck with it all. Best wishes from the UK.
@realMaverickBuckley Other American here. True that.
David Brent the conservative MP version
He’s the architect of his own demise, and the demise of a lot of others too. I lost £100k a year with the collapse of part of my business, directly as a consequence of his policies. He’s dangerous and shouldn’t be anywhere the levers of power.
Steve, if you have such leadership qualities then how did you not exert more leadership and allow your party to lead Britain to this precipice? What a bleak future we all now face.
Because he's not mad or mendacious enough to appeal to the monstrous membership, or his lunatic former colleagues
Nonsense. The U.K. has a far better future now that these incompetent grifters are out of parliament……and the RAF are well rid of him too.
@@UKAlanR He's an obvious ego maniac. Not sure what that makes you.
we can all breath a sigh of relief, this particular man is not in goverment and never will be again
He comes across like David Brent, zero self awareness, cringeworthy
Just listening to him, I understand now why he lost. Surprised he was ever a MP.
Nigel Farage hit the nail on the head when he said Boris ran as a conservative and governed as a Green. How many votes did the Tories get from the Just Stop Oil and Extinction Rebellion brigade at this election?
I remember nf supporting t b saying get mor jabs..
Exactly
Probably none. Even with all their pandering they probably went to Labour.
somewhere between none and zero.
these so called Tories cannot please WEF and please its voters, its one of the other. Whats it to be?
He sounds quite bitter
He does. But isn't bitterness the least of his problems?!
Waiting for Sasha Baron Cohen to pull off his Steve Barker mask. What a wally 😂
What a w4nker
And no one did what the people wanted.
So arrogant and hasn't learned a thing. You can't do a 2010 and give us another Cameron, that won't work this time. We have a real socially conservative party this time.
Yes, they always live in the past. Next time round it will be nothing like 2010. The Islamists will likely be sweeping up many Labour seats with 25%+ Muslim voters, while Reform will likely be sweeping up swathes of white working class Red Wall seats and the more socially conservative Tory lower middle class regions. The BBC won't be able to stop it.
What is it they think they have to offer?
Completely hubristic nonsense
Something tells me this guy has 30 years of leadership experience 🤔
and yet, learnt nothing. ego over ability.
This guy is one of the biggest hypocrites, and dare I say liars to have sat in parliament. Good riddance.
Being an Engineer officer and a manager in a start up doesn’t define leadership 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Meh. Crab Air. That isn't a madly impressive CV. It's okay but for middle management.
Baker was one of the biggest problems, he showed loyalty when it suited him personally
He hasn't got a clue.
He comes across as a pretty ridiculous individual, doesn't he...
How do you get trust back after massive betrayals? Would you take a serial cheater back>?
Its not possible for any political party to please its voters AND the WEF. Thats where they went wrong.
"Half his voters stayed at home", said Mr. Baker. He shouldn't be surprised. He was a turncoat on Brexit and a facilitator for the cowardly capitulation to the EU that was the Windsor framework.
He is right, however, that Sunak the Usurper was one of the main reasons for the Tories' defeat but fourteen years of breathtaking incompetence and dishonesty did not help either.
I do not believe his assessment of officials in the civil service. He is either being disingenuous or the kind of experience he has had with them does not mirror that of someone, for example, like myself, who, after the death of his father, had to wait seven months for grant of probate from a HMCTS official, no doubt shirking from home, who did not even open my application until over 5 months after it was delivered, something admitted in writing without shame or apology.
Mr. Baker's whole tone was to suggest that he would have had the answers to all the Tories' problems. My reaction to this interview? Good riddance to this hopelessly detached and self-obsessed egomaniac.
'Real Brexit has never been tried' is rapidly becoming the 'Real socialism has never been tried' of the right 😂
they voted Reform who got 4.7k comparing to 2019 electionresults.parliament.uk/elections/1943
16213 with reform votes would have beat Labour
@@glassmuxxic tell us more about how Brexit has been honestly implemented.
@@Toglos Yes, it was the Reform vote that saw him turfed out. Oh dear, how sad, never mind!
He's deluded. They don't need managerial experience, or leadership experience or charisma to succeed.
They just need to give people what they ask for and what they promised to deliver.
When you spend all your time in government doing the exact opposite of what you promised the people who voted for you, then don't be surprised when your entire party gets decimated. None of this is difficult.
Yes but why didn't your voters come out? Could it be that you guys betrayed those voters?
‘Don’t want to be talking anyone down’ said straight after dragging Suella.
And btw, telling the truth isn’t ‘attacking’ minorities.
👏👏👏
Was a big fan of Baker when he was a big part of Brexit and the ERG. But once he got in with Sunak he gave Northern Ireland to the EU and will never be forgiven
It was Boris who really annoyed the Unionists? NI is still part of NI. Windsor framework was generally well recieved in NI as an improvement. This sort of deranged empire talk is not engaged with reality and therefore the world will, I'm afraid, never make sense to you.
Scum
@@peterholden3672 brexit was a whole lake of piss we would be better off without.
I hope you see the interesting part: You liked the man when he could just shout and demand from the sidelines. But when he had actually to do hard work - that is being minister for Northern Ireland having to deal with the most complex question of the Brexit process - you disliked him and use hypermoral categories like a wokie ("never be forgiven").
No one “gave Northern Ireland to the EU” FFS! What a deranged comment! And Brexit was the biggest example of national suicide since Masada.
Waving through net zero legislation, without debate, not showing any backbone when negotiating with the EU. That's sufficient for now, there is much more.
I have no sympathy for Baker at all. This is self-serving clap trap from him. He’s wise after the event, so what? The Tory vote collapsed because the Tories reneged on every single promise they made and they treated the British public like dirt.
As soon as Baker got a job in Govt he took the knee to the EU and couldn’t stop grovelling for any hurty words he said during the referendum.
Probably one of the only things he done right then we need to go in you know in the end we will people just second tired of all the disadvantages we have now and there's a question a millionaire or a tax avoider if you're one of them I can quite understand why you love it if not maybe you need to think again
@@maureengladwell1317 rubbish!
@@maureengladwell1317 get a job mozza
@@maureengladwell1317 que? repeat in coherent sentences please
30 years of leadership and it ends like this? Perhaps he made the wrong choices.
This guy is just priceless.😅
"Half my voter's stayed at home". Prat.
Exactly. 'His voters!!' Whichever constituency we live in, we are no politician's or political party's voters, they all need to remember that. I wanted to ensure the Tories didn't get back in in my area, so I voted tactically and got the result I wanted.
121 seats too many.
He sounds like a corporate trainer. The amount of leadership trainers out there who sound exactly like this. He does come across arrogant in some ways.
"...in EVERY way"
It’s the same brand of narcissism
If he ‘knows how it's done’ - then why was he handed his backside?
Poor guy. It’s everyone else’s fault and nothing to do with him.
I liked Steve a lot during the Brexit debacle. This interview rang a little hollow tho. Ego stroking exercise. Let’s go Nigel and Reform! 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
got the same feeling, he is clueless
The same for me - I had some time for him during the Brexit fight - but when he was supposedly going to oppose lockdowns - he didn't - he gave rather half baked attempts - and ultimately showed true colours then - no integrity what so ever.
Well said.
Let’s not.
Steve, you were great for Brexit, but I think you have lost your way... like many other so called Tories, thus I voted Reform. Whilst reform are not perfect, they are far more conservative, that the Lib Dem bunch currently acting as Tories IMO.
Do you mean more racialist because that's the only difference I can see
@@maureengladwell1317 Thank you for your reply.. Do you mean that Steve Baker is a racist or that I'm a racist? Since we have never met, I assume that you consider my voting direction means that I am a racist. Thank you for your highly intelligent assertion... I wish you well.
@@maureengladwell1317 Oh...I smell a middle class bigot throwing smears around.....disgusting.
An awful MP. He talked about being leader of the party and then the day after he lost said he was so glad he lost. What a guy. What a leader.
This guy has the demeanor of a guy winging it through a job interview.
in his head, like prince andrew, he's thinking 'nailed it'.
@@Jon-xw9om Ha ha ha - spot on!
The Windsor Framework was, and is, an absolute disaster.
Getting rousted with a "nothing to do with me, guv" attitude is delusion.
'My voters didn't stay at home because I went on holiday to Greece'. Bet he's now looking for a career at NASA as a Rocket Scientist.
maybe cleaning their toilets
😂😂😂😂😂
David Davis should have been elected leader of the Conservative party when Cameron won.
He is the person we need now
They haven't been acting like clowns, they have been acting like criminals and should be locked up!!
I only voted because we had a Reform candidate, I wasn't going to bother otherwise.
Same
Steve Baker, the very personification of talentless mediocrity.
What talent do you have to have to be a politician and name one politician who has talent and why
If he was a bar of chocolate he'd eat himself
This guy is absolutely insufferable. Enjoy your 2 months off mate 👋
Hilarious, isn't he supposed to be sky diving. Another irrelevant Tory
Partridge-esque
With a twist of Brent.....
Yep, a mockumentary of this guy's parliamentary office would be hilarious.
that necklace
@@jenniferlawrence2701 The necklace is utterly cringe-inducing. What is he playing at? Jesus wept.
Sounds like a candidate on The Apprentice
We need to leave ECHR . Why didn’t Steve Baker do something?
Why do we need to leave it give us the reason why we need to leave it and what you think that will do to the Country
You can't leave the ECHR because of the GFA in Ireland and the TCA with EU.
@@maureengladwell1317 Leaving it could make deporting illegal migrants somewhat easier. Though I'd still be in favor of leaving it even if that weren't the case. British laws are a matter for British democracy, not some international court.
@@maureengladwell1317 See reply from Jennifer Lawrence. Exactly.
@@larsbjrnson3101 If we do not leave, we are not an independent country. This is why we left the EU. The fact that Boris Johnson negotiated such a poor agreement does not mean that it cannot be revisited. Our country is sinking.
He needs to go out and get a real job. Btw, I think 8 years is all the time should be able to serve in any elected office. That means a total of eight years no matter how many offices you're elected to.
Does Steve Baker have a saviour complex?
I live in your constituency Steve, i stayed home because you increased mass migration
Why didn't you vote Reform then?
Steve Baker: “aren’t I great”?