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so i was bored and looked at the back of my bag of reeses cups and looked down in the nutrition section and noticed potassium 75mg 2% and was immedeatly like how radioactive are these
@@drecknathmagladery9118 keep away from Bananas then man... 358 mg in 100g of banana. 118g is the average weight of a banana. Compared to your 210/230/300/900g bag per serving size.
Apparently cutting into lipos are safer then making *PING PONG BALL SMOKEBOMBS* , I've suggested years ago. Show Director: "THATS TO DANGEROUS", as he hands Brian and Jason a bunch of lipos and pliers. The lithium reaction kinda sucked to be honest. What Brian was experiencing with the flashes and the heat was the reaction of the battery's chemicals and if Brian was to touch it with metal, he could've had a large flame in hand.
Hs teacher got a ton of lithium and few other metals to help teach. She would take us outside and throw in a little chunk. Was always fun. Few years after I left I heard she was retiring. She decided to off the entire supply. It was about a fist size amount left. Cops were called, alarms were set off....epic way to go out
Less because they are shorted out by metal tools, more because the two components usually separated now have easy access to each other, doing the usual exathermic reaction
Also you can short them out just by tampering with the casing or damaging it. This can cause thermal runaway and make them catch on fire on their own. This is also why manufacturers make batteries in phones non-user-servicable because they don't want to catch blame for people being careless idiots. This wasnt a thing before because they had hard plastic shells around them but they wanted to reduce the space and weight that takes up.
If you damage the cells in a battery it basically causes an overload and they can go boom. XD Usually they get hot and start smoking. I watch the video where someone took an nail and drove it into the top of a lithium battery and it exploded after smoking and catching fire for several minutes.
The recipe for a perfect Modern Rogue episode, in no particular order: (1) Complete disregard for safety (2) Semi-obscure references/dad jokes (3) Tenuous grasp of science (4) Things burning and/or exploding (5) Minor bodily harm (optional) Oh, and how could I forget: (6) Failure, lots of failure
We should fund a comedy show for Brian😂. Money won't be a problem. Mr. Franklin has been managing my trade for months and I keep making profit every week. I made "$19,240 last week also
@Paulson Becks Amazing i also just started trading with Mr Franklin C. Davis With an initial investment of $2,400 i made up to $6,700 in just a week of trading with him..his strategies are mind blowing
Meh. The theme of modern rogue is generally "what can the average idiot do with crap they can get at walmart". If you know of a better readily available source of lithium strips, I'm all ears.
So, why you guys were having trouble with the battery's heating up is that you were crushing the internal components of the battery as well as creating a dead short across the metal pliers you were using, hence the sparks. A better method would have been to use a pipe cutting tool to cut the top off by scoring the external tube of the battery without crushing it. This would have allowed you to extract the "electrolyte packet" intact.
@@goiliath9s496 But then why wasn't Jason's hot? His was open more, so maybe it could vent instead of being trapped, but that makes no sense because it means that it's more exposed to the moisture. I mean, sure, eventually, more exposure means more dilution and thus less noticable heat, but I don't think they hit that point (I also don't think that's what you were saying, I'm just thinking out loud at this point).
@@goiliath9s496 I just had another thought. So in Brian terms, when the roommates come in contact with each other, the discussion gets heated. With no outlet for that firey rage, it just builds between the two. Now, this doesn't explain why one battery heated up and one didn't, but shortly after that, Brian is prying at Jason's battery and it sparks, and you see that the two pliers look different, so maybe one is made of a material that doesn't conduct as well.
As a famous piss chemist once said on youtube, where only truth is spoken, its ok to use shitty plastic cups when working with explosives. I feel like the shrapnel part of the equation is appropriate here.
There was a story here in Australia a few years ago where a golf cart ended up in a pond on a farm. They retrieved it and stored it in the shed. A few hours later it started popping and caught fire.
That was from the minerals in the water causing shorts in the electrical wiring. It’s like if you get your phone wet, but the phone doesn’t draw enough to start a fire, only the battery pack itself has enough potential to burn. Here they are talking about isotonically pure water reacting with lithium.
this made me laugh and facepalm at the same time.. He literally just told us about exothermic reactions and freaks out when it happens. Also did they even bother to discharge the batteries? makes it somewhat safer to dismantle.
We need some kind of subtle signals to tell when this is "Modern Rogues know the science and dangers and act like curious children for the sake of content" and "Modern Rogues don't know the basics of the powers they're meddling with"
you could have done this a LOT easier with natrium (or sodium for the english realm) =P same reaction, but a lot easier to obtain than lithium (lithium mining and refinement is hard, dangerous and expensive) elements from the same column in the periodic table generally have similar chemical behaviour
The way these two ask questions about what they're doing as they're doing it leaves me in stitches with laughter. No prep, just fly by the seat of the pants and come what may. You'd think those previous visits to Emergency Room would make these guys more cautious, but I have to admit that it wouldn't be nearly as hilarious if they were. Brian and Jason, you guys are truly awesome.
They were short circuiting. In the type of batteries they were using, the "plastic sleeve" on the outside of the battery (the first thing they removed) is there to prevent the negative contact from shorting to the positive or anything else. The positive terminal is the small little button part at the top, and the negative terminal is the ENTIRE rest of the metal casing of the battery. If these were high drain batteries, what they were doing is VERY dangerous, as removing that sleeve and intentionally damaging (and bridging) the top of the battery will cause it to create a self sustaining circuit within the battery, and it will begin to generate heat. As the battery heats up, its internal resistance drops, causing it to allow more power to flow, causing it to heat up faster. At this point, the battery is in "thermal runaway" and its insides will very quickly and violently become its outsides if not properly vented. DO NOT try this at home. You risk serious heat/chemical burns, and severe lacerations as a result if you are not extremely careful and know what you're doing. If you have rechargable lithium batteries, find a location that will recycle them or properly dispose of them, as they become a fire hazard if simply thrown away.
"It goes foof and bang! Generally accepted as safe..." Oh Jason, the injury counter is going to get reset again, isn't it? This from someone that knows lithium batteries aren't nearly as dangerous as Valve are making them out to be but... Also have watched your show for years.
FOOF is never safe. NEVER. 🤣 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dioxygen_difluoride#:~:text=Dioxygen%20difluoride%20reacts%20vigorously%20with,structure%20and%20its%20explosive%20tendencies
Airlines: "Take off your shoes, no blades, no aerosols, no large containters of liquids, also, feel free to charge your laptop during the flight with our handy charging ports and enjoy a complimantery bottle of water" Modern Rogues: [Epic Faceplam]
Pete Karpyk is a retired chemistry professor known for this sort of reaction. He does a chemistry demo where he blows up pumpkins. He hollows out the pumpkins and puts water in them. Then he drops pure metallic sodium (that he has stored under oil so it won't tarnish) in the pumpkin, slams the top on it and runs away. The pumpkin will shortly explode with enough force to throw pumpkin shards several feet.
@@escott1981 Unfortunately there isn’t one from Karpyk, but there is sodium pumpkin videos on TH-cam. There’s even one from Jimmy Kimmel Live, but he lights the hydrogen with a lighter instead of letting the reaction light itself off with the heat generated.
You don't want waterproof shoes ... I thought I did, so I bought a pair of Vessi's. Sure they keep water out but that's only useful if you're stamping in puddles or walking around thumb height bodies of water. Once the water gets in through at the top you're screwed. Even if you're not actively walking in/around water - waterproof shoes also keep YOUR bodily moisture INSIDE your shoe which means you're just walking around with sweaty wet feet! Have fun pulling off your socks after having your feet inside your Vessi shoes for a few hours - and enjoy the wrinkled, pruney look of your feet - like they've been in the bath all day l 😭👁️👀👀
6:50 what was happening there (to my knowledge as a chemistry major) is that the lithium was reacting with the water to produce Lithium hydroxide and hydrogen gas according to this reaction: 2Li + H2O -> 2LiOH + H2. When the lithium is in a ribbon like it is later in the episode it floats, so the hydrogen is released in the air and the heat from the reaction can light it (creating the fire), whereas when the whole battery is underwater it makes bubbles of hydrogen but they don’t light since they’re underwater.
Since nobody has answered from what I seen. The "Tuna can technique" is best because you need to peel the metal casing away from the innards of the battery. The reason they are getting hot is because you're cutting into them at the top, pushing part of the casing into the battery and short circuiting it. It's not really dangerous because you've opened it and the gas is escaping, but the heat and fumes are definitely uncomfortable. Next time take some flat pliers and squeeze the sides until you can grab just the outside casing and peel it away. This should decrease your chances of it overheating.
I'd like to introduce you two to a couple of TH-cam channels explaining why this video made me anxious: ElectroBOOM who deals with electricity and could have given you tips. BackyardScientist who actually showed all the dangers you guys pulled from unwrapping linthium batteries, to holding combusting linthium, and even making it explode under water making a fish tank shatter. Seriously worried you guys might lose a hand.
*Brian and Jason reading the comments* "we might be dumb, on second thought it does make sense why it was getting so hot" Love the videos btw they're amazing
Hey Jason and Brian, I've been curious as to how you two met. Been watching for a few years now, and based on your chemistry I previously that assumed you two were childhood friends who grew up together. But I've finally started watching the older episodes in order, and I now get more of the impression that you two met at a bar in 2016, started a conversation about James Bond, and the following weekend you were filming yourselves vaping alcohol in Brian's garage. I'd love to know the real story! And if you've already told it elsewhere, maybe someone could just link it to me to save them the trouble?
If you want to make magenta fire you dissolve lithium metal in methanol. The easiest and cheapest way to get pure lithium metal is from energizer disposable lithium batteries, like this. I use a pipe cutter to remove the shell, but if you're not careful you can pierce the insulator and short the cell which makes it get real hot, real fast. Looks like tearing at it with pliers avoided that?
The sides of the steel sleeve are part of the negative pole on the battery and Brian was hitting the positive nub on top while trying to grip the sides thus the reason for the sparks and heat, essentially he was shorting out the battery.
This kind of episodes, are the reason I love you so much! you got a theme, but you don't be like: "We had researched everything about it". You are more like: Thats the theme? Okay, lets do it!
@@ModernRogue shame you forgot all that when you crushed the anode into the cathode and caused a short, heating it up and making it react faster, cause someone forgot to fully discharge the batteries first lol. classic modern rogue.
Except that AA lithium primary batteries are fairly high current, and when you can't control the short, and you've opened holes in it, the risk of jets of high temperature vapor is not something to play with (unless you're next to a pot of anhydrous ammonia - maybe they do know what they're doing!)
Dont you know that lithium batteries can explode on you from air as well, IF they arent fully drained.. Thats why that battery was hot.. You shouldnt have given him something like that, if you dont know what youre doing.. Guys at King of Random were able to do it, because they DRAINED the batteries first. Its an important step...
I'm exposing the two elements inside this battery to each other using a metal tool, which I just explained react strongly to one another... why is it getting hot???
My first every youtube video was putting lithium in a small plastic ball that came from one of those crackling ball fireworks and then dropping that in a gatorade bottle and capping it. TERRIBLE IDEA the risk of blowing a hand off is really high. Anyways after a couple of weeks I realized I had made a B word and decided it was probably best to not leave that on the internet. Granted this was like 2009 when youtube was not as strict but still not smart to make or upload. Now oddly I work at a battery store doing phone repairs and selling batteries. I have dealt with a ton of lithium batteries and even almost blinded myself with a li-socl2 battery. Those are nasty. They have a chemical called Thionyl Chloride in them and that stuff sprayed my in the face when I had one get punctured on accident. That thionyl chloride turns to acid when exposed to air or water and I live in the south where the air is very humid. So I got 2 burns. One chemical and one temperature. If I had not been wearing glasses I would have lost an eye. I saw it hit my glasses then closed my eyes. It got me from basically my right temple to the left side of my mouth. It had pooled up in the little crevice area between nose and cheek and thats where it really hurt. It was gnarly stuff. Also the fumes made it impossible to breathe. Yeah so dont mess with batteries. Granted this was an accident and not me doing stupid things like normal.
For some reason, Jason and Brian's back and forth throughout this episode paired with the music in the background felt very reminiscent of a lot of the conversation and exposition in Finding Nemo.
Ferrous disulfide. It is synthetic pyrite. I create synthetic pyrite in a hydrothermal autoclave. You have two dioxane based organic solvents which work as electrolytic paste. You do not want to breathe in those fumes.
So.....I am just glad you guys didn't lose your hands, the reason those phones had problems was because anode and cathode metals were crimped such that they touched, causing a short circuit which very well could have caused a very dangerous run away reaction which very well could have caused them to go up in flames if not outright explode, which is the exact reason they were getting hot while using them. Please please please do more research before attempting stuff like this in future. Like I get half assing things is fun, but seriously, this could have gone extremely badly.
Flushcutters are good for tearing batteries and similar objects open. You can get under the seam and peel it open a bit, then take pliers and "tunacan" it.
Brian... why do you have closed toe shoes on for the ad segment but flip flops for the part where you're dealing with hot, flammable and/or explosive materials while in possibly thorny underbrush?
You put a volatile element (lithium) into a compound (water) and it extracts another volatile element (hydrogen) from that while releasing a ton of heat. Also yes, that is indeed glass. Why is this a problem? XD
While yes, your dealing with a tiny amount of lithium, the fire extinguisher you chose is rather inadequate for lithium in general. you are better with a garden hose and attachment for watering flowers (like a watering can head) with good preasure, and just leave it spraying the area untill its all reacted, or you know.... lay a concrete foundation where you can do experiments with fire safely... you do remember you live in texas right, hotter n dryer than hell, i know, ive visited once and coming from England, the heat dam near killed me lol.
lithium reacts with the air if its concentrated enough. The batteries were probably concentrated enough to react with the air and become hot but not burst into flame.
DO NOT DO THIS AT HOME! Seriously, lithium batteries are known to catch fire if damaged, and lithium fires are a bitch to put out (water just makes it worse).
The slurry in a battery tends to be an electrolyte of some kind. Most are pretty bad for your health. For instance theres one i work with that seeps down into your body to attack the calcium in your bones.
At 4:48 When the battery got hot, a small piece of something shorted the 2 materials and caused electricity to go through it, heating it up. And dont do this with charged batteries. It will make everything so much worse. Also, if you want to keep the Lithium metal, you can put it in mineral oil to keep it from oxidizing and combusting
For future reference when handling lithium-ion batteries and intentionally exploding them or setting them on fire. Always wear some kind of mask that protects your air ways if possible because the fumes that come out of that are arguably more dangerous to your health than the fire.
Brian's pliers are what was causing it do react that way. Jason's pliers still had a proper coating to help against conductivity where as Brian's did not.
a pipe cutter would solve every single one of your problems. failing that, a pair of more traditional pliers so you could get a proper grip around the battery, and with a simple twist and pull action, bob's your uncle. the heat and sparks come from short circuiting the "roommates" it's amazing that they've never done that before.
As someone who works in a battery manufacturing facility... jfc wear safety gear. And if batteries get hot DO NOT PUT THEM NEXT TO METAL OR OTHER BATTERIES.
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so i was bored and looked at the back of my bag of reeses cups and looked down in the nutrition section
and noticed
potassium 75mg 2%
and was immedeatly like how radioactive are these
@@drecknathmagladery9118 keep away from Bananas then man... 358 mg in 100g of banana. 118g is the average weight of a banana. Compared to your 210/230/300/900g bag per serving size.
Apparently cutting into lipos are safer then making *PING PONG BALL SMOKEBOMBS* , I've suggested years ago.
Show Director: "THATS TO DANGEROUS", as he hands Brian and Jason a bunch of lipos and pliers.
The lithium reaction kinda sucked to be honest. What Brian was experiencing with the flashes and the heat was the reaction of the battery's chemicals and if Brian was to touch it with metal, he could've had a large flame in hand.
Hs teacher got a ton of lithium and few other metals to help teach. She would take us outside and throw in a little chunk. Was always fun. Few years after I left I heard she was retiring. She decided to off the entire supply. It was about a fist size amount left. Cops were called, alarms were set off....epic way to go out
brian, jason, let me ask you this. what happens when a battery touches metal? the 2 roommates start bitchen.
I love how surprised they are by batteries getting hot when you short them out with metal tools
Right and lol only Brian’s heated up when he did it most likely because the pliers were two different kinds
Less because they are shorted out by metal tools, more because the two components usually separated now have easy access to each other, doing the usual exathermic reaction
Also you can short them out just by tampering with the casing or damaging it. This can cause thermal runaway and make them catch on fire on their own. This is also why manufacturers make batteries in phones non-user-servicable because they don't want to catch blame for people being careless idiots.
This wasnt a thing before because they had hard plastic shells around them but they wanted to reduce the space and weight that takes up.
its almost like their brains arent that good. (by choice that is)
If you damage the cells in a battery it basically causes an overload and they can go boom. XD
Usually they get hot and start smoking.
I watch the video where someone took an nail and drove it into the top of a lithium battery and it exploded after smoking and catching fire for several minutes.
The recipe for a perfect Modern Rogue episode, in no particular order:
(1) Complete disregard for safety
(2) Semi-obscure references/dad jokes
(3) Tenuous grasp of science
(4) Things burning and/or exploding
(5) Minor bodily harm (optional)
Oh, and how could I forget:
(6) Failure, lots of failure
You totally nailed it...
PS: 7. Using the wrong tools or tools the wrong way.
Brian: “should we be wearing face shields?”
Also Brian: has his face shield up while prying at the battery
He needs his "dexterity"
Also Brian: wears flip flops as approaching a glass bowl of exploding boiling liquid and lithium and Hydrogen doesn't exist...
Pretty sure Brian wears facemask but his nose is not covered lmao
We should fund a comedy show for Brian😂. Money won't be a problem. Mr. Franklin has been managing my trade for months and I keep making profit every week. I made "$19,240 last week also
@Paulson Becks Amazing i also just started trading with Mr Franklin C. Davis With an initial investment of $2,400 i made up to $6,700 in just a week of trading with him..his strategies are mind blowing
Suggestion: Instead of trying to extract lithium from a battery, just get some thin long lithium strips and drop them in the water. They go FAST.
They should try sodium 💯💯
Maybe both
Meh. The theme of modern rogue is generally "what can the average idiot do with crap they can get at walmart". If you know of a better readily available source of lithium strips, I'm all ears.
@@ColonelSandersLite I mean that and do you trust them with the strips or would there handler have to take over the show
@@manwhoeatsfishinbedwithlig3791 yeh they definately needed Momma or Poppa rogue here for this one to point out the dumb stuff they do lol
So, why you guys were having trouble with the battery's heating up is that you were crushing the internal components of the battery as well as creating a dead short across the metal pliers you were using, hence the sparks. A better method would have been to use a pipe cutting tool to cut the top off by scoring the external tube of the battery without crushing it. This would have allowed you to extract the "electrolyte packet" intact.
Discharging the batteries probably would have been a good idea too.
Brian: "so this is an exothermic reaction?"
Jason: "yes"
Brian: **is surprised when it's getting hot**
Me: BRO!????
I can only assume he though it wouldn't start getting hot until he introduced the lithium to water.
@@TheRealAlpha2 I guess they forgot humidity exists? also is Brian just moist or something lol?
@@goiliath9s496
But then why wasn't Jason's hot? His was open more, so maybe it could vent instead of being trapped, but that makes no sense because it means that it's more exposed to the moisture. I mean, sure, eventually, more exposure means more dilution and thus less noticable heat, but I don't think they hit that point (I also don't think that's what you were saying, I'm just thinking out loud at this point).
@@goiliath9s496
I just had another thought. So in Brian terms, when the roommates come in contact with each other, the discussion gets heated. With no outlet for that firey rage, it just builds between the two.
Now, this doesn't explain why one battery heated up and one didn't, but shortly after that, Brian is prying at Jason's battery and it sparks, and you see that the two pliers look different, so maybe one is made of a material that doesn't conduct as well.
@@sonan333 Brian's was probably more charged.
I absolutely LOVE that while research was clearly done, it did absolutely NO good and clearly no one has an effing clue what's going on. 😂
Which is right on brand!
Brian: Should we be wearing face masks?
Jason: I don't think so
The audience: Oh crap
Brian: Uses face mask as hat.
Jaso: Uses face mask as face mask.
@@SH4D0W0733 Yeah, I got a kick out of that one too.
Reset injury counter
I was like, famous last words
Not gonna lie i aint watched MR for a while but boomy makes my brain happy
I'm here for the foof and bang...but hoping for the boomy. 😉
"There's a spark! Oh, why is this so hot?!" You'd think Brian would recognize a short circuit by now 😂
Brian: "That's Glass!"
Jason: "Yup"
Pretty sure Brian just realized they just added shrapnel to a potential explosion.🤣
As a famous piss chemist once said on youtube, where only truth is spoken, its ok to use shitty plastic cups when working with explosives. I feel like the shrapnel part of the equation is appropriate here.
There was a story here in Australia a few years ago where a golf cart ended up in a pond on a farm. They retrieved it and stored it in the shed. A few hours later it started popping and caught fire.
That was from the minerals in the water causing shorts in the electrical wiring. It’s like if you get your phone wet, but the phone doesn’t draw enough to start a fire, only the battery pack itself has enough potential to burn.
Here they are talking about isotonically pure water reacting with lithium.
"This battery is hot because it got shorted, so I will toss it in a metal bowl" LMAO
this made me laugh and facepalm at the same time.. He literally just told us about exothermic reactions and freaks out when it happens. Also did they even bother to discharge the batteries? makes it somewhat safer to dismantle.
@@ikitclaw7146 Considering how quickly they were getting hot, I'm guessing that they didn't discharge them _enough_.
A metal bowl that’s sitting on _dry leaves_
We need some kind of subtle signals to tell when this is "Modern Rogues know the science and dangers and act like curious children for the sake of content" and "Modern Rogues don't know the basics of the powers they're meddling with"
I think it's the difference of proper use of safety gear and just having It on hand to look like we're being safe.
They are not acting. They are realy that "amateurish".
They realy dont know the science most of the time. Thats the point of Modern Rogue.
Brian: "And that's the story of how we burned down our HQ."
Me: "Again?"
Lets be real, this was more about making things go boom then testing a 'myth'
AHEM… “Legend.”
Sound design is pretty great this episode
"Science adjacent with Brian and Jason, yeahh" 🎵
you could have done this a LOT easier with natrium (or sodium for the english realm) =P
same reaction, but a lot easier to obtain than lithium (lithium mining and refinement is hard, dangerous and expensive)
elements from the same column in the periodic table generally have similar chemical behaviour
The way these two ask questions about what they're doing as they're doing it leaves me in stitches with laughter. No prep, just fly by the seat of the pants and come what may. You'd think those previous visits to Emergency Room would make these guys more cautious, but I have to admit that it wouldn't be nearly as hilarious if they were. Brian and Jason, you guys are truly awesome.
The battery got hot because it was short circuiting.
I was thinking it was the difference in oxidization between their pliers. Jason’s were still shiny while Brian’s were pretty heavily rusted.
@@asthmananny8498 More likely Brian was squeezing the battery, which may have compressed the layers, and caused a short between some of them.
@@BenjaminSchollnick This is probably the right answer.
I guess it depends on if MR used new batteries or dead batteries.
They were short circuiting. In the type of batteries they were using, the "plastic sleeve" on the outside of the battery (the first thing they removed) is there to prevent the negative contact from shorting to the positive or anything else. The positive terminal is the small little button part at the top, and the negative terminal is the ENTIRE rest of the metal casing of the battery.
If these were high drain batteries, what they were doing is VERY dangerous, as removing that sleeve and intentionally damaging (and bridging) the top of the battery will cause it to create a self sustaining circuit within the battery, and it will begin to generate heat. As the battery heats up, its internal resistance drops, causing it to allow more power to flow, causing it to heat up faster. At this point, the battery is in "thermal runaway" and its insides will very quickly and violently become its outsides if not properly vented.
DO NOT try this at home. You risk serious heat/chemical burns, and severe lacerations as a result if you are not extremely careful and know what you're doing. If you have rechargable lithium batteries, find a location that will recycle them or properly dispose of them, as they become a fire hazard if simply thrown away.
A for effort.
F for safety.
Pretty much defines the Modern Rogue.
"Should we be wearing face masks or something"
"I don't think so" *immediately proceeds to put on a face mask*
While brian wears it with the face shield raised...
I'd love to see you guys do something involving improving your driving skills, perhaps like a defensive driving course, rally school or drift school?
I swear one of these days Brian is going to get a full thickness burn because he is wearing flip flops.
But given their episode on such, at least they'll be able to identify it accurately for the hospital
Thanks Vessi for having Brian finally own a pair of shoes.
"It goes foof and bang! Generally accepted as safe..."
Oh Jason, the injury counter is going to get reset again, isn't it? This from someone that knows lithium batteries aren't nearly as dangerous as Valve are making them out to be but... Also have watched your show for years.
FOOF is never safe. NEVER. 🤣 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dioxygen_difluoride#:~:text=Dioxygen%20difluoride%20reacts%20vigorously%20with,structure%20and%20its%20explosive%20tendencies
Airlines: "Take off your shoes, no blades, no aerosols, no large containters of liquids, also, feel free to charge your laptop during the flight with our handy charging ports and enjoy a complimantery bottle of water"
Modern Rogues: [Epic Faceplam]
Pete Karpyk is a retired chemistry professor known for this sort of reaction. He does a chemistry demo where he blows up pumpkins. He hollows out the pumpkins and puts water in them. Then he drops pure metallic sodium (that he has stored under oil so it won't tarnish) in the pumpkin, slams the top on it and runs away. The pumpkin will shortly explode with enough force to throw pumpkin shards several feet.
is there a recording on youtube of this?
@@escott1981 Unfortunately there isn’t one from Karpyk, but there is sodium pumpkin videos on TH-cam. There’s even one from Jimmy Kimmel Live, but he lights the hydrogen with a lighter instead of letting the reaction light itself off with the heat generated.
Alternate title: Jason and Brian being Jason and Brian for 14 minutes straight
You don't want waterproof shoes ... I thought I did, so I bought a pair of Vessi's. Sure they keep water out but that's only useful if you're stamping in puddles or walking around thumb height bodies of water. Once the water gets in through at the top you're screwed. Even if you're not actively walking in/around water - waterproof shoes also keep YOUR bodily moisture INSIDE your shoe which means you're just walking around with sweaty wet feet!
Have fun pulling off your socks after having your feet inside your Vessi shoes for a few hours - and enjoy the wrinkled, pruney look of your feet - like they've been in the bath all day
l 😭👁️👀👀
Bringing back trench foot with style
the put something they KNEW was gonna explode in a GLASS BOWL
Modern Rouge: It's all outtakes!
I love seeing Brian and Jason in videos together again. Was extremely worried that a rift had developed
Brian and Jason being Cavemen is such a mood
6:50 what was happening there (to my knowledge as a chemistry major) is that the lithium was reacting with the water to produce Lithium hydroxide and hydrogen gas according to this reaction: 2Li + H2O -> 2LiOH + H2. When the lithium is in a ribbon like it is later in the episode it floats, so the hydrogen is released in the air and the heat from the reaction can light it (creating the fire), whereas when the whole battery is underwater it makes bubbles of hydrogen but they don’t light since they’re underwater.
I've had a pair of Vessi's since their Kickstarter campaign, and I love them.
Thank you for confirming this information
Since nobody has answered from what I seen. The "Tuna can technique" is best because you need to peel the metal casing away from the innards of the battery.
The reason they are getting hot is because you're cutting into them at the top, pushing part of the casing into the battery and short circuiting it. It's not really dangerous because you've opened it and the gas is escaping, but the heat and fumes are definitely uncomfortable.
Next time take some flat pliers and squeeze the sides until you can grab just the outside casing and peel it away. This should decrease your chances of it overheating.
I'd like to introduce you two to a couple of TH-cam channels explaining why this video made me anxious:
ElectroBOOM who deals with electricity and could have given you tips.
BackyardScientist who actually showed all the dangers you guys pulled from unwrapping linthium batteries, to holding combusting linthium, and even making it explode under water making a fish tank shatter.
Seriously worried you guys might lose a hand.
At the very least they need BigClive's explosion containment pie dish!
I love how nothing they do in the end result would make me ever even think of trying this. So much work for so little reward
Me a chemist knowing all of the ways this can go horribly wrong and explode "stop the right now or you hurt yourself"
Brian: "that's Glass." Jason: "*mATteR of FaCTLy* yep."
*Brian and Jason reading the comments* "we might be dumb, on second thought it does make sense why it was getting so hot"
Love the videos btw they're amazing
Hey Jason and Brian, I've been curious as to how you two met. Been watching for a few years now, and based on your chemistry I previously that assumed you two were childhood friends who grew up together. But I've finally started watching the older episodes in order, and I now get more of the impression that you two met at a bar in 2016, started a conversation about James Bond, and the following weekend you were filming yourselves vaping alcohol in Brian's garage. I'd love to know the real story! And if you've already told it elsewhere, maybe someone could just link it to me to save them the trouble?
There's something about Brian's laugh that just sounds so wholesome.
Could you guys try to build a manual rangefinder?
REQUEST : a Modern Rogue episode or series on Bug Out Vehicles (BOVs) 🛻🚛🛵
Use the lithium in a bottle of liquid heat the lithium turns an makes magenta flames also done on tkor
If you want to make magenta fire you dissolve lithium metal in methanol. The easiest and cheapest way to get pure lithium metal is from energizer disposable lithium batteries, like this. I use a pipe cutter to remove the shell, but if you're not careful you can pierce the insulator and short the cell which makes it get real hot, real fast. Looks like tearing at it with pliers avoided that?
The sides of the steel sleeve are part of the negative pole on the battery and Brian was hitting the positive nub on top while trying to grip the sides thus the reason for the sparks and heat, essentially he was shorting out the battery.
This kind of episodes, are the reason I love you so much! you got a theme, but you don't be like: "We had researched everything about it". You are more like: Thats the theme? Okay, lets do it!
That was a suprisingly cogent description of how batteries works brian, good job!
AWESOME!!!
@@ModernRogue shame you forgot all that when you crushed the anode into the cathode and caused a short, heating it up and making it react faster, cause someone forgot to fully discharge the batteries first lol. classic modern rogue.
its sparking because you're closing the circuit for the battery. shouldnt be too dangerous
Until it heats up because he shorted it out and it spontaneously combusts.
Except that AA lithium primary batteries are fairly high current, and when you can't control the short, and you've opened holes in it, the risk of jets of high temperature vapor is not something to play with (unless you're next to a pot of anhydrous ammonia - maybe they do know what they're doing!)
Dont you know that lithium batteries can explode on you from air as well, IF they arent fully drained.. Thats why that battery was hot.. You shouldnt have given him something like that, if you dont know what youre doing.. Guys at King of Random were able to do it, because they DRAINED the batteries first. Its an important step...
Thanks guys loving the content !!!! Been a rouge since the beginning!!!
An A for effort and an F for safety pretty much sums up Modern Rogue…
I'm exposing the two elements inside this battery to each other using a metal tool, which I just explained react strongly to one another... why is it getting hot???
“Maybe that ones haunted?” “Yeah”
A logical conclusion lol
Haunted? Cursed? Bedevilled? Beguiled!
@@emmaginationstudios and what do we do with cursed and beguiled things?
@@hickorycreek431 we bring them to the killing pit
My first every youtube video was putting lithium in a small plastic ball that came from one of those crackling ball fireworks and then dropping that in a gatorade bottle and capping it. TERRIBLE IDEA the risk of blowing a hand off is really high. Anyways after a couple of weeks I realized I had made a B word and decided it was probably best to not leave that on the internet. Granted this was like 2009 when youtube was not as strict but still not smart to make or upload.
Now oddly I work at a battery store doing phone repairs and selling batteries. I have dealt with a ton of lithium batteries and even almost blinded myself with a li-socl2 battery. Those are nasty. They have a chemical called Thionyl Chloride in them and that stuff sprayed my in the face when I had one get punctured on accident. That thionyl chloride turns to acid when exposed to air or water and I live in the south where the air is very humid. So I got 2 burns. One chemical and one temperature. If I had not been wearing glasses I would have lost an eye. I saw it hit my glasses then closed my eyes. It got me from basically my right temple to the left side of my mouth. It had pooled up in the little crevice area between nose and cheek and thats where it really hurt. It was gnarly stuff. Also the fumes made it impossible to breathe. Yeah so dont mess with batteries. Granted this was an accident and not me doing stupid things like normal.
Brian, shorting a battery: why is it hot!??
For some reason, Jason and Brian's back and forth throughout this episode paired with the music in the background felt very reminiscent of a lot of the conversation and exposition in Finding Nemo.
Ferrous disulfide. It is synthetic pyrite. I create synthetic pyrite in a hydrothermal autoclave. You have two dioxane based organic solvents which work as electrolytic paste. You do not want to breathe in those fumes.
Brian: The battery is hot!
Me: Yea, no sh*t, it's a short circuit.
Loving the pip boy watch face Mr. Brushwood!
12:41 Brian is really underestimating the danger of it, huh.
Look, the danger is less about the fire and more about the chemicals
So.....I am just glad you guys didn't lose your hands, the reason those phones had problems was because anode and cathode metals were crimped such that they touched, causing a short circuit which very well could have caused a very dangerous run away reaction which very well could have caused them to go up in flames if not outright explode, which is the exact reason they were getting hot while using them.
Please please please do more research before attempting stuff like this in future. Like I get half assing things is fun, but seriously, this could have gone extremely badly.
4:31 "I don't know why its hot" Famous last words lol
Flushcutters are good for tearing batteries and similar objects open. You can get under the seam and peel it open a bit, then take pliers and "tunacan" it.
Nice sandals, Brian!
NileRed truly should be proud!
Brian... why do you have closed toe shoes on for the ad segment but flip flops for the part where you're dealing with hot, flammable and/or explosive materials while in possibly thorny underbrush?
You put a volatile element (lithium) into a compound (water) and it extracts another volatile element (hydrogen) from that while releasing a ton of heat.
Also yes, that is indeed glass. Why is this a problem? XD
Because glass going kaboom is no bueno.
had the vessel exploded, that would be some very dangerous shrapnel.
9:50 this is my favorite
While yes, your dealing with a tiny amount of lithium, the fire extinguisher you chose is rather inadequate for lithium in general. you are better with a garden hose and attachment for watering flowers (like a watering can head) with good preasure, and just leave it spraying the area untill its all reacted, or you know.... lay a concrete foundation where you can do experiments with fire safely... you do remember you live in texas right, hotter n dryer than hell, i know, ive visited once and coming from England, the heat dam near killed me lol.
Also probably shouldn't use metal plyers 😂
Could be reacting to the moisture in the air, or maybe the rust on Brian's pliers.
lithium reacts with the air if its concentrated enough. The batteries were probably concentrated enough to react with the air and become hot but not burst into flame.
DO NOT DO THIS AT HOME! Seriously, lithium batteries are known to catch fire if damaged, and lithium fires are a bitch to put out (water just makes it worse).
The slurry in a battery tends to be an electrolyte of some kind. Most are pretty bad for your health. For instance theres one i work with that seeps down into your body to attack the calcium in your bones.
I like how Brian ‘Magic Hands’ Brushwood didn’t get gloves for pulling the battery apart
What I really want is that sweet moth/butterfly shirt.
11:08 I agree
11:16 that's not the only reason for the F on safety
Of course he had his mask up during the most volatile reaction of the whole episode. 🤣😂
When Jason has been inhaling more battery fumes than is probably safe 9:30
Also Brian: Hey is this hot?
Jason: Proceeds to rub exposed lithuim and other toxic compounds on his arm.
Totally think you should do a colab with Art of manliness 💪🏻
Jason talking about nurdrage as "he was probably 50" had me rolling
At 4:48
When the battery got hot, a small piece of something shorted the 2 materials and caused electricity to go through it, heating it up.
And dont do this with charged batteries. It will make everything so much worse.
Also, if you want to keep the Lithium metal, you can put it in mineral oil to keep it from oxidizing and combusting
For future reference when handling lithium-ion batteries and intentionally exploding them or setting them on fire. Always wear some kind of mask that protects your air ways if possible because the fumes that come out of that are arguably more dangerous to your health than the fire.
Brian's pliers are what was causing it do react that way. Jason's pliers still had a proper coating to help against conductivity where as Brian's did not.
You should get TKOR on as your adults sometime
noted
Classic Modern Rogue disobeying printed warnings.
"we don't want to bang" ....MR out of context one day please 🤣🤣🤣
a pipe cutter would solve every single one of your problems. failing that, a pair of more traditional pliers so you could get a proper grip around the battery, and with a simple twist and pull action, bob's your uncle. the heat and sparks come from short circuiting the "roommates" it's amazing that they've never done that before.
I just like that they're wearing face protections and gloves, while wearing short sleeved shirts that leave most of their arms uncovered.
Also these chemicals can autoignite when exposed to air so I'm glad to see everyone just chucking the scrap onto the ground. :-)
As someone who works in a battery manufacturing facility... jfc wear safety gear. And if batteries get hot DO NOT PUT THEM NEXT TO METAL OR OTHER BATTERIES.