I rode the tail a couple of months ago. I was nervous about riding it. After riding it . I realized it was a nothing burger. Fools will ride like fools and they get what they get.
The Speed Limit is 30 MPH you won't get into too much trouble at that speed. Doubling that speed can be a challenge. It's hard to make a fast run with out getting stuck behind Harley Riders that are too rude to pull off. Though 60% of them will pull off 40% think they own the road and are "ROAD HOGS ON THERI ROAD COUCHES"
@@guyfawkesuThe1 Tail of the Dragon is a lot of fun, many turns have banking , I got a lot faster and better after two afternoons of riding it. Most of the turns have banking seems maybe a couple of them had off camber banking. The Nurenburg ring would be very expensive for me, though I have been snow skiing three times in Europe back when travel was much more affordable and the USA Dollar was strong against European money .
@@guyfawkesuThe1 Problem is that this is NOT a nearly flat racetrack where everyone is going the same direction. It is a public, two-lane road with traffic in both directions on twisting, mountainous terrain. Speed is controlled for safety reasons.
@@notthepizzaguyPapaJohn Ya sportbike fools riding too fast. The Nurenburg Ring has even more twisties on it and is more dangerous. They have an ambulance standing by at the track for civilians who crack up!! Germans love their speed! The Ring also has a kick ass motorcycle museum!
Great advice I've done the Dragon twice. Both times I rode my comfort level a lower speed and enjoyed it. Let the wild ones go and be ready to help them if you find them down several turns ahead.
One of my buddies is on the district of the pig trail. He is a EMS guy. He is about ready to quit EMS because he hates seeing 17 year olds on sport bikes wrapped around trees and having rescue teams picking them out of 300 ft. gulleys. I've been riding since 1974 and just glad I can share this with you youngins.
As a person who responded to events like you described, I'd love to "try to" convince your friend to remain in service. The first responder profession needs people like him. I wish him well in his personal healing journey, as this kind of work can have a lasting negative effect on a person. He has my prayers.
Unfortunately a not small percentage of the biker population treats public highways as their own personal speed course. Some of them grow out of it, some don't, and some end up dying for it.
@@dannyw7662 Speed limit is 30 MPH on the Dragon at least in 2022. I can double the suggest speed to take any curve in my Camaro .. if it says 25 MPH I can take it at 50 mph .. It it says 40 I can take it at 80 MPH .. on a Motorcycle I can generally take them at last 1.5 times the suggested speed but that suggest speed might be for loaded 18 wheelers too .
@@mikeskidmore6754 18 wheelers are prohibited on the Deals Gap section of US129. We had semi's straddling both lanes and overhanging the curve in between, causing both bike and car accidents. Ride Safe👋 👽
@@xtphreak But the Truckers GPS told them to go that way. I think trucks are limited to 30 feet long.. Many modern semi trailers are 53' long now days.
Rode it for the first time this year on my ultra limited with a couple buddies. We didn’t think it was that big of a deal as long as you’re not a new rider. Loved that there were a few cops on the road to keep people from doing dumb stuff.
I’ve ridden it now 50-100x. It’s a nice ride. I prefer rides I can actually enjoy while I’m riding and the Dragon is not that. I like Cherohala better.
We have something like this in my country too, but of course shorter and smaller and I’m also not crazy about it haha. It’s basically for sport bikes and people that are really into such stuff.
I live in Knoxville and ride the Trail occasionally each year. I see too many people in cars and on bikes that are driving above their skill level. I was up there this weekend while heading to the Cherohala Skyline. There’s a lot of “local” traffic because Hwy 40 is closed so the weekends might pretty crowded. Ride your ride and stay safe. I ride the Devis Triangle near Oak Ridge more often because it’s almost as challenging as the Dragon but no traffic.
Well said, I've ridden it many times even at night on my HD touring bike, it"s actually not a difficult road to ride for most people. The key is weekdays for riding it as mentioned, stay in YOUR lane and ride at your experience level and you'll be fine. I'll add that there are many great roads locally that are well worth riding, the Cherohalla skyway and Moonshine 28 are top picks.
Road on the dragon this past June and really enjoyed the experience. I watch videos on riding skills and also practice. I road aggressive on the dragon but, kept within the limits of my riding abilities and the limits of my bike. I researched the best times to ride and as you said, the week days was less congested. It made riding the dragon fun.
We rode the Gap years ago it was on my Buddy’s bucket list, we visited midweek and didn’t see anyone acting crazy speeding etc. it’s a lot of fun & beautiful scenery nothing to be fearful about as long as you ride with common sense and I don’t recommend visiting on the weekends!
Road it this past August for the first time. Stayed with the limits of my riding skill and the bikes ability. I also road it with a group of five riders and rode the dragon on a Tuesday at 10am had the road to ourselves not a lot of traffic. Road it later in the day and noticed that a lot of the sport bikes were riding really aggressive there’s very little room for error on this road. Ride safe everyone
Great advise. I have ridden the Dragon about 12 times. There are a couple of blind switchback corners that will test your skills. Speed limits are posted for a real good reason. There are a mix of every type of bike and riders. As you recommended we always go on a weekday.
I think the best thing that any rider can do to prepare for the TOTD is to realize, it isn't a track, it is a public roadway, there are no hay bales or arresting devices to stop a motorcycle or rider. I work in aviation and have talked with EMS operators in the region, there is a considerable issue in getting EMS help on the Tail, it is away from everything and usually ground services are needed to get a rider to an aircraft if a care flight is required. There is no ambulance on standby, there are no flaggers on standby to direct traffic. You can't count on anyone respecting another driver/rider whether they are on a bike, car, or a semi. It is a beautiful area, the ride is amazing, this area is the most motorcycle friendly area I have ridden in the country. But, you can't get away from the tourists in the motor coach or the idiots that have no respect for others no matter what they are riding or driving.
I’ve ridden it 6 times, 3 if you count out & back as 1. Last trip to NC we took it going to our destination and it poured rain. No photographers. So we went back a week later for pics on the way home. Again, pouring … To say the least, this road isn’t really one to get used to. Weather, cars, trucks, tour busses and poorly skilled riders or aggressively pushy rides are all things to be aware of. Good video, good info.
I have done about two dozen trips to the Tail, riding it multiple times each day. I have also driven it several times. Whether on a bike or in a car, target fixation is normally the cause of a crash, so look where you want to go. Something specific to the Tail, though, is ride it / drive it earlier in the morning. Even on the weekends you can usually get a few passes in early before the crowds start to stir. When it gets busy (usually by 10:am), head to the Cherohala Skyway for a more relaxed ride.
The Tail of the Dragon is not a closed race course it’s a public road but people get fooled into believing it is because of all the other idiots that try to deem it as such. I’ve ridden through there many times and never had a single issue. It can be very challenging but it’s not a race. Simps get too excited and end up wrapped around a tree or upside down in a ditch. I have no sympathy for these people.
Good advise. I've done the Dragon and it's great, but there are so many other amaing roads to ride in the area. The cars that cross the double lines are what are scary. DON'T GO ON THE WEEKEND.
Just rode it this past weekend. I’ve rode it many times and have never been scared except when a sport bike ride is blasting past you without warning. Just ride within your skills and check your mirrors and you’ll be fine 🏍️
I think the real cause or danger of the dragon is the banking in the corners. Most riders are used to a flat curve. There are all banked corners, they are not a unicorn but most riders don't think about the banking of the road in normal riding scenarios. Then you go the the dragon and every corner has banking that helps you get around those tight corners and the switchbacks. It gives a false confidence but there are so many corners where the banking goes from one corner into the next which means if you are off line and step over the bank angle where the road goes away from you it will send the rider off the road at speed. It's a double edge sword. Especially four riders as yourself as you describe your riding cornering experience at the 5:00 mark.
Aquapel works better than RainX... BUT check compatibility with your visor. Great Advice! Glad to hear you mentioned TIRE PRESSURE!! Keep up the videos!!!
I've ridden the TOD several times. On the weekends is the worst in my opinion. That is unless it's later in the day, as most people are headed back to their cabin or hotel or maybe to dinner. Sat after 4pm it's not as busy. I've never ridden alone & have usually ridden it in both directions each time I've ridden it. I like to ride all the curvy roads back home before I head down to TOD. I feel it makes for great training for both how I & how my bike performs in the corners. Ride your ride & stay safe.
I rode through, S to N, back in July. I thought it was way over-hyped. It felt like an excellent training 'course' for new riders. Riding since '75'. With a 30 MPH speed limit and the three squad cars within I do not understand how people can get hurt. Use some sense and ride to arrive.
Thank goodness you made this video. Isn't it weird that adults need PSAs to save themselves. I am not sure how they function every single day without videos like this
Great video with excellent points. I've ridden the tail a couple years ago and like you mentioned, everyone needs to know their limits because alot of cruisers go too fast across there in my opinion.
I've ridden the dragon several times. Don't over do the speed, stay within 30% of the posted limit and you'll have fun and be safe. Above all, learn to control your motorcycle BEFORE attempting ALL challenging roads. Keep the shiny side up!
I live 30 minutes away from the dragon, I've found that early in the morning in the beginning of the week are lightly traveled. Make sure to glance at your mirrors often, move over and let the crazies by you.
Just a heads up, it's 236 miles from Tazwell VA (Back of the Dragon) to Deals Gap NC (Tail of the Dragon). The Back of the Dragon is practically in my backyard. And btw, it seems that everybody sleeps on roads like Cherohala Skyway, which is a much better road for cruisers. Pick the right tool for the job, I always say.
Riding at a speed safe for the conditions will normally provide the safest possible outcome! It doesn't matter how good of a rider or how skilled, there could always be a Cage driver on the other side of the curve in your lane. The best, most skilled, safe rider is always subject to the idiocy of the 40+ % of Cage drivers who should not even have a license.
I was on the tail and went around the recovery efforts for the young man im pretty sure he is talking about. Sad days and it rattled one of our young riders bad enough she lost concentration a few turns later and laid her bike down.
the tail won't be closed because it's one of only a couple "local" roads that tie NC and TN together without having to go all the way up or down by hours around the mountains. It's a vital road actually especially right now with all the mess going on just north of there. I ride it a few times every year just depends on how i feel and whether or not I feel like dealing with the traffic. As for the road this year the dt is at 11 so far and hopefully won't go up anymore but never know. As far as riding it though those of us that are "locals" to it keep trying to explain to others that the tail isn't where you want to have a issue for not just the amount of time it will take for emergency workers to get to you as well as you mentioned the bears and other animals are out. I know a few of the fire rescue guys that work that section of road and its easily minimum 40mins before they can get to you. So golden hr if you're injuries are life threatening is already used up before they get to you. If you're life flighted out to knoxville that's another 15-20 mins flight once they get you on the chopper. As far as being prepared well always go across the first time very easy so you can see what the road conditions are like as well as how traffic is. Nothing like having someone completely in your lane as you come around the corner. It happens a lot. One thing I do when I ride it is try to stay as much as possible to the white line side of the lane so less likely of a issue. As for the weather comment yes during the summertime especially its very common for thunderstorms or showers to just pop up and vanish daily.
Last time I was on was like 10 years ago riding 2 up with my dad. Honestly the traffic & other riders I have no interest. Cherohala & moonshiner is a much better ride overall
I came over from NZ to ride the Tail and surrounding good rides. Enjoyable but to be honest I ride more challenging roads every time I go for a ride over here.
@mikeskidmore6754 I'm blessed, I live in Southern West Virginia. We have roads like the Tail of the Dragon in my backyard, we just don't have a thriving economy.
I live in NH up in the New England region of the US. and we have better roads here too. In fact, the Dragon was actually a lot more fun on a road bike (Specialized Tarmac.. pedal bike w no motor) 🙂
You talked about wildlife. I'll give you a good example. Darryl and Lori Cannon, Killboy and Killgurl were in Maryville having dinner. Lori had ridden a Motard style bike over and Darryl had driven a vehicle. Lori was riding back across towards the store when a hog ran across in front of her. She all but got it stopped but the bike flipped over the hog breaking her wrist. She said she just knew that hog was coming back after running off. Darryl came up on her and got her to the doctors.
I took my son in law up to the tail about 6 weeks ago. We planned the trip and stops to rest and stretch and hydrate. I don’t hear enough about people stopping to rest and hydrate. You get fatigued, you start that danger meter. We had a great ride, took about 16 hours from home through and back with stops etc. plan it, don’t go on a one bike trip, you go down, your down no matter if you have someone with you or not. You made some great points in this video, be safe everyone, don’t push it, enjoy it.. Thunder , Out.
Love seeing your Giant black schnauzer. I have a mini (salt and pepper), but he is big for a mini (24 pounds). Also agree with you on this. Never been down to the tail, but it applies anytime you are doing twisties with others- you have to ride to the level of the weakest rider if you are going to stay together safely.
Its not the road, its the idiots treating it like a race track. There are plenty of roads just as nice that are less popular. This means less accidents.
First of all, my condolences to the family of the motorcycle rider who lost his life. I am a retired police motorcycle officer with a traffic collision investigation background. Unfortunately and especially with motorcycle collisions that I have investigated, speed has been the primary collision factor in a majority of the cases. In an area like the Tail of the Dragon, if there is a posted speed limit, it is for that reason; it’s dangerous. People just need to slow it down and enjoy the ride for what it is. I plan to take a ride on the Tail of the Dragon on my motorcycle with my wife on the back. I know that I’ll probably be approached by somebody wanting to pass, and that’s OK, they’ll just have to wait until I find an outlet in which they can do so. Otherwise, ride with safety in mind and keep the shiny side up.
My point on this road is not the curves but the undulations as in switchbacks that gain massive elevations changes up and down that gets me. My wife and I on a past road trip two up in the dark while it was raining but kept the speed in check with no concerns, I did ride it two years ago and had a heat episode while riding it but that was after a 350 mile day getting there with even drinking plenty of water the whole day or I thought. The Devil's Triangle is tougher to me, maybe not as continuously intense but when there is a switchback and the white line is washed out with no guard rails it raises the pucker factor. In 1985, my first cross country trip, I was heading up to Redding CA on a mountain road, Scrapping pegs etc, then I thought if I go off the road on one of these cliffs no one will ever find me so I did slow down and enjoyed the mountain scenery. Anyway, yes, having riding buddies is a good thing for everyone to watch out for another and have an understanding no one is pushing anyone or holding anyone up. Put the ego in the saddle bag.
I live 10 minutes from Cherohala. Ridden it more than 100 times. Haven't been on the Dragon in years. It's the people that are in over their heads that scare me.
I just road it back in July on a 15 road glide for the first time on a Tuesday. There was not really anyone on it and went at my own pace. I live in the backwoods of the northeast so this type of road is not uncommon for me just not as many curves. Honestly I like the Cherohala Skyway better because more stopping points and better scenery. I rode the Cherohala onto the dragon as a big loop before heading back towards Gatlinburg where my wife and I were staying.
I've been on the Dragoon several times. Loved the ride . The DUMEST thing I seen there was a bunch of bicycle riders on a busy weekend. Not only are there motorcycles but street rods and I followed a semi on the Dragoon
I was in west Virginia on those state roads and you couldn't get me to drive the speed limit. Those roads are terrifying for a flatlander. I was going up gauly mountain at that hairpin curve with a coal truck coming down and I swore that I was going to die there.
Scuba divers will all say spit better than rain x,, even if it is a little gross. Your never without anti fog. Just sayin wipe it on let it dry with air, doesn't have to be a lot just coat it thin.
Well, you know... Maybe if you're a single-dad with two young kids at home, maybe don't go up to the Tail on your **NINJA** sportbike and have a fatal accident. How 'bout da. Maybe that could've been one of your points, Hegshot. Oh, I know, I know...nobody plans on having an accident - and that's what it was, "just an random, tragic accident!" Let's get real. Heg, you did not mention in your video about observing the speed limit on the road. Let's admit that people use that road to "test their skillz!" and see how fast they can go around those 300-some-odd corners. Why ELSE would you go up there on a sportbike? I guess I'm getting old - I just like to ride on a curvy road and enjoy the scenery. I've lost all desire to see how far I can get my bike leaned over and scrape the pegs. I guess I'm not an adrenaline junkie anymore. I would love to ride the Tail, and I will do it someday, but I'm going to be one of those rolling roadblocks that the sport riders hate (yes, even the guys on baggers who shouldn't be engaging in those shenanigans in the first place) because I ride like an old man who doesn't feel the need to prove he's a racer anymore. Other than that, great video!
Good advice... First... You cannot close that road. It is a very important road. For people who live and work in that area. How about sports car clubs and extreme speed riders find another place.... Like a track...a closed circuit is where really pushing the limits, drifting, etc... should take place. Advice for riders.... Going 75-85% of your skill set, is a good idea. We need to leave some wiggle-room, we don't know what just happened in the road in front of us; or, if someone in the oncoming lane has exceeded their skills, or lost a tire, someone wrecked, etc... I have been on that road once, driving a van full of rafts and rafting equipment. Very curvy with many elevation changes, often in the curves. There is a lot more to that road than just "The Tail"... I know it would be more fun on a motorcycle, though. I live in Southern WV.... We are blessed with a lot of curvy backwoods roads. I will likely ride Deal's at some point, on my bike; but, there are so many roads around here, yet ridden (others I ride a lot).... So, I am not in that big a hurry... Plus, RT 16A from Tazewell to Marion, VA is on the way.... So... When you deliver that Indian Scout to me (🙏)... I will show you a couple.. ;-) Peace...
Great video,and great advice,I wanted to ask you who is your guy at Orlando Harley,they have a 2023 street glide ST I"m thinking about buying and I don"t know anyone that works there,his name would be very helpfull to me,thanks and keep the good content coming,they"re educational and entertaining
You will see a bunch of Valentino Rosi up there, just mind your business and don’t exceed your bike or your capabilities and you will be just fine. The Tail of the Dragon is nice and a MUST do for riders but the Back of the Dragon is nicer and more scenic. Both rides can be done in 1 trip as they are not so far from each other
Do The Speed Limit. Enjoy The, SCENERY. It Is Not A Race Track. No Matter, If Your, In A Cage, Or H-D Scooter. You Are In The Mountains, Weather, And Road Conditions, Can Change Real Fast. Keep Your Cameras On, All The Time, You Will See Stupid People. They Don't Care About, You, Or Other Motorist, Or, Their Safety. Be Safe, And Stay Healthy. Keep Two Down. Enjoy The Ride.
@@musicmaestro88 I agree. For bikers there are two ways to approach this road and others like it. Either for comfortable enjoyment or for aggressive thrills. Take your pick. I’m not going to put down a biker whatever camp he finds himself in. My point is if you are going to be aggressive then this video provides good advice. If you want to ride an interesting road, just ride the road without fear of disaster around the next curve.
When you ride like a dumb ass you can get killed. I’ve ridden like a dumbass and been lucky BUT there’s no guarantee. Ride within your skill level and remember you’re not on a closed course. Ridden the dragon several times. Great ride.
Hi, it’s van van on fire guy, here to say hello. To confirm advise from dan dan the fire man, a great tribulation to assy folks, “One may try and notice the speed limit” 😮 max wrist is the greatest rider on earth. Max Wrist don’t use meth. Try that then if you’re so good.
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I rode the tail a couple of months ago. I was nervous about riding it. After riding it . I realized it was a nothing burger. Fools will ride like fools and they get what they get.
The Speed Limit is 30 MPH you won't get into too much trouble at that speed. Doubling that speed can be a challenge. It's hard to make a fast run with out getting stuck behind Harley Riders that are too rude to pull off. Though 60% of them will pull off 40% think they own the road and are "ROAD HOGS ON THERI ROAD COUCHES"
Ya nothing when you drive the speed limit. Try driving the Nurenburg Ring in Germany! A racetrack full of twistiness that make this road look lame!
@@guyfawkesuThe1 Tail of the Dragon is a lot of fun, many turns have banking , I got a lot faster and better after two afternoons of riding it. Most of the turns have banking seems maybe a couple of them had off camber banking. The Nurenburg ring would be very expensive for me, though I have been snow skiing three times in Europe back when travel was much more affordable and the USA Dollar was strong against European money .
@@guyfawkesuThe1 Problem is that this is NOT a nearly flat racetrack where everyone is going the same direction. It is a public, two-lane road with traffic in both directions on twisting, mountainous terrain. Speed is controlled for safety reasons.
@@notthepizzaguyPapaJohn Ya sportbike fools riding too fast. The Nurenburg Ring has even more twisties on it and is more dangerous. They have an ambulance standing by at the track for civilians who crack up!! Germans love their speed! The Ring also has a kick ass motorcycle museum!
Great advice I've done the Dragon twice. Both times I rode my comfort level a lower speed and enjoyed it. Let the wild ones go and be ready to help them if you find them down several turns ahead.
One of my buddies is on the district of the pig trail. He is a EMS guy. He is about ready to quit EMS because he hates seeing 17 year olds on sport bikes wrapped around trees and having rescue teams picking them out of 300 ft. gulleys. I've been riding since 1974 and just glad I can share this with you youngins.
As a person who responded to events like you described, I'd love to "try to" convince your friend to remain in service. The first responder profession needs people like him. I wish him well in his personal healing journey, as this kind of work can have a lasting negative effect on a person. He has my prayers.
@@kentuckyjustice1408 I will spread the word in a positive way. Thanks for your kind reply and god bless you.
It's a public road with a 35 mile an hour speed limit not a closed circuit race track, enjoy the ride
Speed limit is lower than that
Unfortunately a not small percentage of the biker population treats public highways as their own personal speed course. Some of them grow out of it, some don't, and some end up dying for it.
@@dannyw7662 Speed limit is 30 MPH on the Dragon at least in 2022. I can double the suggest speed to take any curve in my Camaro .. if it says 25 MPH I can take it at 50 mph .. It it says 40 I can take it at 80 MPH .. on a Motorcycle I can generally take them at last 1.5 times the suggested speed but that suggest speed might be for loaded 18 wheelers too .
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18 wheelers are prohibited on the Deals Gap section of US129.
We had semi's straddling both lanes and overhanging the curve in between, causing both bike and car accidents.
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@@xtphreak But the Truckers GPS told them to go that way. I think trucks are limited to 30 feet long.. Many modern semi trailers are 53' long now days.
Rode it for the first time this year on my ultra limited with a couple buddies. We didn’t think it was that big of a deal as long as you’re not a new rider. Loved that there were a few cops on the road to keep people from doing dumb stuff.
Just don’t ride like an idiot..
Harleys are so slow they hold up everyone else including mini vans with 6 passengers with two Kayaks on the roof .
If you're going to use Rain-X on your visor make sure you use the one that's specifically formulated for plastics
I bought some anti Fog spray for visors and it seemed to smear
I’ve ridden it now 50-100x. It’s a nice ride. I prefer rides I can actually enjoy while I’m riding and the Dragon is not that. I like Cherohala better.
I agree, I like the Cheohala much better than the Tail. Ridden both but prefer the Cherohala. There are so many great roads in that area!
We have something like this in my country too, but of course shorter and smaller and I’m also not crazy about it haha. It’s basically for sport bikes and people that are really into such stuff.
Then why have you supposedly ridden it 50 to 100 times ?
I live in Knoxville and ride the Trail occasionally each year. I see too many people in cars and on bikes that are driving above their skill level. I was up there this weekend while heading to the Cherohala Skyline. There’s a lot of “local” traffic because Hwy 40 is closed so the weekends might pretty crowded. Ride your ride and stay safe. I ride the Devis Triangle near Oak Ridge more often because it’s almost as challenging as the Dragon but no traffic.
Well said, I've ridden it many times even at night on my HD touring bike, it"s actually not a difficult road to ride for most people. The key is weekdays for riding it as mentioned, stay in YOUR lane and ride at your experience level and you'll be fine. I'll add that there are many great roads locally that are well worth riding, the Cherohalla skyway and Moonshine 28 are top picks.
Road on the dragon this past June and really enjoyed the experience. I watch videos on riding skills and also practice. I road aggressive on the dragon but, kept within the limits of my riding abilities and the limits of my bike. I researched the best times to ride and as you said, the week days was less congested. It made riding the dragon fun.
We rode the Gap years ago it was on my Buddy’s bucket list, we visited midweek and didn’t see anyone acting crazy speeding etc. it’s a lot of fun & beautiful scenery nothing to be fearful about as long as you ride with common sense and I don’t recommend visiting on the weekends!
Road it this past August for the first time. Stayed with the limits of my riding skill and the bikes ability. I also road it with a group of five riders and rode the dragon on a Tuesday at 10am had the road to ourselves not a lot of traffic. Road it later in the day and noticed that a lot of the sport bikes were riding really aggressive there’s very little room for error on this road. Ride safe everyone
Funny thing a bear did run behind my bike and in front of my buddies bike he was a quick critter and my buddy slowed enough to let the bear pass by.
Great advise. I have ridden the Dragon about 12 times. There are a couple of blind switchback corners that will test your skills. Speed limits are posted for a real good reason. There are a mix of every type of bike and riders. As you recommended we always go on a weekday.
I think the best thing that any rider can do to prepare for the TOTD is to realize, it isn't a track, it is a public roadway, there are no hay bales or arresting devices to stop a motorcycle or rider. I work in aviation and have talked with EMS operators in the region, there is a considerable issue in getting EMS help on the Tail, it is away from everything and usually ground services are needed to get a rider to an aircraft if a care flight is required. There is no ambulance on standby, there are no flaggers on standby to direct traffic. You can't count on anyone respecting another driver/rider whether they are on a bike, car, or a semi. It is a beautiful area, the ride is amazing, this area is the most motorcycle friendly area I have ridden in the country. But, you can't get away from the tourists in the motor coach or the idiots that have no respect for others no matter what they are riding or driving.
I’ve ridden it 6 times, 3 if you count out & back as 1. Last trip to NC we took it going to our destination and it poured rain. No photographers. So we went back a week later for pics on the way home. Again, pouring … To say the least, this road isn’t really one to get used to. Weather, cars, trucks, tour busses and poorly skilled riders or aggressively pushy rides are all things to be aware of. Good video, good info.
I have done about two dozen trips to the Tail, riding it multiple times each day. I have also driven it several times. Whether on a bike or in a car, target fixation is normally the cause of a crash, so look where you want to go. Something specific to the Tail, though, is ride it / drive it earlier in the morning. Even on the weekends you can usually get a few passes in early before the crowds start to stir. When it gets busy (usually by 10:am), head to the Cherohala Skyway for a more relaxed ride.
The Tail of the Dragon is not a closed race course it’s a public road but people get fooled into believing it is because of all the other idiots that try to deem it as such.
I’ve ridden through there many times and never had a single issue. It can be very challenging but it’s not a race. Simps get too excited and end up wrapped around a tree or upside down in a ditch. I have no sympathy for these people.
Good advise. I've done the Dragon and it's great, but there are so many other amaing roads to ride in the area. The cars that cross the double lines are what are scary. DON'T GO ON THE WEEKEND.
Just rode it this past weekend. I’ve rode it many times and have never been scared except when a sport bike ride is blasting past you without warning. Just ride within your skills and check your mirrors and you’ll be fine 🏍️
I think the real cause or danger of the dragon is the banking in the corners. Most riders are used to a flat curve. There are all banked corners, they are not a unicorn but most riders don't think about the banking of the road in normal riding scenarios. Then you go the the dragon and every corner has banking that helps you get around those tight corners and the switchbacks. It gives a false confidence but there are so many corners where the banking goes from one corner into the next which means if you are off line and step over the bank angle where the road goes away from you it will send the rider off the road at speed. It's a double edge sword. Especially four riders as yourself as you describe your riding cornering experience at the 5:00 mark.
Aquapel works better than RainX... BUT check compatibility with your visor. Great Advice! Glad to hear you mentioned TIRE PRESSURE!! Keep up the videos!!!
Thanks man
I've ridden the TOD several times. On the weekends is the worst in my opinion. That is unless it's later in the day, as most people are headed back to their cabin or hotel or maybe to dinner. Sat after 4pm it's not as busy.
I've never ridden alone & have usually ridden it in both directions each time I've ridden it.
I like to ride all the curvy roads back home before I head down to TOD. I feel it makes for great training for both how I & how my bike performs in the corners.
Ride your ride & stay safe.
I rode through, S to N, back in July. I thought it was way over-hyped. It felt like an excellent training 'course' for new riders. Riding since '75'. With a 30 MPH speed limit and the three squad cars within I do not understand how people can get hurt. Use some sense and ride to arrive.
Thank goodness you made this video. Isn't it weird that adults need PSAs to save themselves.
I am not sure how they function every single day without videos
like this
Great video with excellent points. I've ridden the tail a couple years ago and like you mentioned, everyone needs to know their limits because alot of cruisers go too fast across there in my opinion.
I've ridden the dragon several times.
Don't over do the speed, stay within 30% of the posted limit and you'll have fun and be safe.
Above all, learn to control your motorcycle BEFORE attempting ALL challenging roads.
Keep the shiny side up!
Great advise. Enjoy the ride
I live 30 minutes away from the dragon, I've found that early in the morning in the beginning of the week are lightly traveled. Make sure to glance at your mirrors often, move over and let the crazies by you.
Just a heads up, it's 236 miles from Tazwell VA (Back of the Dragon) to Deals Gap NC (Tail of the Dragon). The Back of the Dragon is practically in my backyard. And btw, it seems that everybody sleeps on roads like Cherohala Skyway, which is a much better road for cruisers. Pick the right tool for the job, I always say.
Riding at a speed safe for the conditions will normally provide the safest possible outcome! It doesn't matter how good of a rider or how skilled, there could always be a Cage driver on the other side of the curve in your lane. The best, most skilled, safe rider is always subject to the idiocy of the 40+ % of Cage drivers who should not even have a license.
Same goes for motorcycle riders. They go out of there lanes also, ride beyond their limits and conditions.
I was on the tail and went around the recovery efforts for the young man im pretty sure he is talking about. Sad days and it rattled one of our young riders bad enough she lost concentration a few turns later and laid her bike down.
the tail won't be closed because it's one of only a couple "local" roads that tie NC and TN together without having to go all the way up or down by hours around the mountains. It's a vital road actually especially right now with all the mess going on just north of there. I ride it a few times every year just depends on how i feel and whether or not I feel like dealing with the traffic. As for the road this year the dt is at 11 so far and hopefully won't go up anymore but never know. As far as riding it though those of us that are "locals" to it keep trying to explain to others that the tail isn't where you want to have a issue for not just the amount of time it will take for emergency workers to get to you as well as you mentioned the bears and other animals are out. I know a few of the fire rescue guys that work that section of road and its easily minimum 40mins before they can get to you. So golden hr if you're injuries are life threatening is already used up before they get to you. If you're life flighted out to knoxville that's another 15-20 mins flight once they get you on the chopper. As far as being prepared well always go across the first time very easy so you can see what the road conditions are like as well as how traffic is. Nothing like having someone completely in your lane as you come around the corner. It happens a lot. One thing I do when I ride it is try to stay as much as possible to the white line side of the lane so less likely of a issue. As for the weather comment yes during the summertime especially its very common for thunderstorms or showers to just pop up and vanish daily.
Last time I was on was like 10 years ago riding 2 up with my dad. Honestly the traffic & other riders I have no interest. Cherohala & moonshiner is a much better ride overall
I came over from NZ to ride the Tail and surrounding good rides. Enjoyable but to be honest I ride more challenging roads every time I go for a ride over here.
Same
New Zeeland is all Hills and Mountains. I am in Michigan USA most roads are straight and flat.
@mikeskidmore6754 I'm blessed, I live in Southern West Virginia. We have roads like the Tail of the Dragon in my backyard, we just don't have a thriving economy.
@@mikesbikechannel4387 Yes but most roads have hidden driveways and intersections.
I live in NH up in the New England region of the US. and we have better roads here too. In fact, the Dragon was actually a lot more fun on a road bike (Specialized Tarmac.. pedal bike w no motor) 🙂
You talked about wildlife. I'll give you a good example. Darryl and Lori Cannon, Killboy and Killgurl were in Maryville having dinner. Lori had ridden a Motard style bike over and Darryl had driven a vehicle. Lori was riding back across towards the store when a hog ran across in front of her. She all but got it stopped but the bike flipped over the hog breaking her wrist. She said she just knew that hog was coming back after running off. Darryl came up on her and got her to the doctors.
A Pack of Hogs Killed a woman in TX at 7:00 AM in the yard of the people she was a care taker for .
Remember, the dragon is a road, not a race track. Ride smart Ride safe keep it up right on two's
I took my son in law up to the tail about 6 weeks ago. We planned the trip and stops to rest and stretch and hydrate. I don’t hear enough about people stopping to rest and hydrate. You get fatigued, you start that danger meter. We had a great ride, took about 16 hours from home through and back with stops etc. plan it, don’t go on a one bike trip, you go down, your down no matter if you have someone with you or not. You made some great points in this video, be safe everyone, don’t push it, enjoy it.. Thunder , Out.
Love seeing your Giant black schnauzer. I have a mini (salt and pepper), but he is big for a mini (24 pounds). Also agree with you on this. Never been down to the tail, but it applies anytime you are doing twisties with others- you have to ride to the level of the weakest rider if you are going to stay together safely.
Its not the road, its the idiots treating it like a race track. There are plenty of roads just as nice that are less popular. This means less accidents.
The extended swingarm Hyabusa's with temporary plates??😮
Heading down to Knoxville TN later this month. Trailering the bike down and hoping for great weather. 1st time on TOTD.
Tide the Foothills Parkway to TOTD and then if it's open, Cherahola skyway. I live less than an hour from the Dragon
Run it slow the first time if you're on a sportbike. That way you get a feel for the turns. I highly suggest you go on a weekday for less traffic.
@@mikesbikechannel4387 yes, will do. I have a dual sport bike (KLR 650) and plan on going during the week. Hoping for nice weather.
First of all, my condolences to the family of the motorcycle rider who lost his life.
I am a retired police motorcycle officer with a traffic collision investigation background.
Unfortunately and especially with motorcycle collisions that I have investigated, speed has been the primary collision factor in a majority of the cases. In an area like the Tail of the Dragon, if there is a posted speed limit, it is for that reason; it’s dangerous. People just need to slow it down and enjoy the ride for what it is. I plan to take a ride on the Tail of the Dragon on my motorcycle with my wife on the back. I know that I’ll probably be approached by somebody wanting to pass, and that’s OK, they’ll just have to wait until I find an outlet in which they can do so. Otherwise, ride with safety in mind and keep the shiny side up.
My point on this road is not the curves but the undulations as in switchbacks that gain massive elevations changes up and down that gets me. My wife and I on a past road trip two up in the dark while it was raining but kept the speed in check with no concerns, I did ride it two years ago and had a heat episode while riding it but that was after a 350 mile day getting there with even drinking plenty of water the whole day or I thought. The Devil's Triangle is tougher to me, maybe not as continuously intense but when there is a switchback and the white line is washed out with no guard rails it raises the pucker factor. In 1985, my first cross country trip, I was heading up to Redding CA on a mountain road, Scrapping pegs etc, then I thought if I go off the road on one of these cliffs no one will ever find me so I did slow down and enjoyed the mountain scenery. Anyway, yes, having riding buddies is a good thing for everyone to watch out for another and have an understanding no one is pushing anyone or holding anyone up. Put the ego in the saddle bag.
Like Angel's Crest (CA2) in LA, beware of the squid.
Cherhohala skyway was a great ride, no desire to ride the Dragon!
I agree…I’ve been on both and find the Cherohala a superior road. I’ve been on the Dragon each way 3x- not really a fan of it
I live 10 minutes from Cherohala. Ridden it more than 100 times.
Haven't been on the Dragon in years. It's the people that are in over their heads that scare me.
I've done the Dragon. It should never have been allowed to become what it's is now and heavy baggers are stupid to try and ride hard
Good reminders ride your own ride.
It aint the tail its the nut holding the bars...
Thank you
I just road it back in July on a 15 road glide for the first time on a Tuesday. There was not really anyone on it and went at my own pace. I live in the backwoods of the northeast so this type of road is not uncommon for me just not as many curves. Honestly I like the Cherohala Skyway better because more stopping points and better scenery. I rode the Cherohala onto the dragon as a big loop before heading back towards Gatlinburg where my wife and I were staying.
Rode it 4 times Sept this year. The best time for me was late in the day.
Beautiful dog.
I liked the back of the dragon way better!
Know your limits. Don't be dumb. Don't be intimidated by the road, or by other riders that might not be that bright. Ride your ride.
I've been on the Dragoon several times. Loved the ride . The DUMEST thing I seen there was a bunch of bicycle riders on a busy weekend. Not only are there motorcycles but street rods and I followed a semi on the Dragoon
It’s a beautiful ride be safe and don’t forget speed kills it’s not worth a life enjoy your ride and beauty that God created
Speed never killed anyone, it’s the sudden stop…….
Come to WestVirginia most of our rodes are like that
I was in west Virginia on those state roads and you couldn't get me to drive the speed limit. Those roads are terrifying for a flatlander. I was going up gauly mountain at that hairpin curve with a coal truck coming down and I swore that I was going to die there.
Well, since you live in South Carolina. We can ride it together. Since I never rode it before.
Since Hurricane Milton will hit Florida 🙏🏻, do you think Biketoberfest will still happen?
Thanks
Scuba divers will all say spit better than rain x,, even if it is a little gross. Your never without anti fog. Just sayin wipe it on let it dry with air, doesn't have to be a lot just coat it thin.
I heard you can rub a Potatoe on a divers mask glass
Well, you know... Maybe if you're a single-dad with two young kids at home, maybe don't go up to the Tail on your **NINJA** sportbike and have a fatal accident. How 'bout da. Maybe that could've been one of your points, Hegshot. Oh, I know, I know...nobody plans on having an accident - and that's what it was, "just an random, tragic accident!" Let's get real. Heg, you did not mention in your video about observing the speed limit on the road. Let's admit that people use that road to "test their skillz!" and see how fast they can go around those 300-some-odd corners. Why ELSE would you go up there on a sportbike? I guess I'm getting old - I just like to ride on a curvy road and enjoy the scenery. I've lost all desire to see how far I can get my bike leaned over and scrape the pegs. I guess I'm not an adrenaline junkie anymore. I would love to ride the Tail, and I will do it someday, but I'm going to be one of those rolling roadblocks that the sport riders hate (yes, even the guys on baggers who shouldn't be engaging in those shenanigans in the first place) because I ride like an old man who doesn't feel the need to prove he's a racer anymore. Other than that, great video!
i have ridden the dragon a couple dozen times at first i would hit hard but now i just cruise through it
People crash when they treat the toad like their own personal race track
Good advice...
First... You cannot close that road. It is a very important road. For people who live and work in that area.
How about sports car clubs and extreme speed riders find another place.... Like a track...a closed circuit is where really pushing the limits, drifting, etc... should take place.
Advice for riders....
Going 75-85% of your skill set, is a good idea. We need to leave some wiggle-room, we don't know what just happened in the road in front of us; or, if someone in the oncoming lane has exceeded their skills, or lost a tire, someone wrecked, etc...
I have been on that road once, driving a van full of rafts and rafting equipment. Very curvy with many elevation changes, often in the curves. There is a lot more to that road than just "The Tail"... I know it would be more fun on a motorcycle, though.
I live in Southern WV.... We are blessed with a lot of curvy backwoods roads. I will likely ride Deal's at some point, on my bike; but, there are so many roads around here, yet ridden (others I ride a lot).... So, I am not in that big a hurry... Plus, RT 16A from Tazewell to Marion, VA is on the way.... So...
When you deliver that Indian Scout to me (🙏)... I will show you a couple.. ;-)
Peace...
Other roads in the vicinity are both more fun and less stressful. Every rider should expect 129 though.
Wet leaves on the road?
The riding pretty much stops when the leaves fall.
Been riding the, Dragon since 1971. I quit last year. Too many newbies and squids. I'll find better roads in, middle Tn.
Great video,and great advice,I wanted to ask you who is your guy at Orlando Harley,they have a 2023 street glide ST I"m thinking about buying and I don"t know anyone that works there,his name would be very helpfull to me,thanks and keep the good content coming,they"re educational and entertaining
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Ride defensively and within your skill level.
You will see a bunch of Valentino Rosi up there, just mind your business and don’t exceed your bike or your capabilities and you will be just fine. The Tail of the Dragon is nice and a MUST do for riders but the Back of the Dragon is nicer and more scenic. Both rides can be done in 1 trip as they are not so far from each other
I have another idea…..don’t ride like an idiot and don’t go there if you don’t know how to ride!
Great video. Thanks man!
I'm about to buy my first motorcycle in a few weeks In Daytona . Will you attend Biketoberfest?
Ya nothing when you drive the speed limit. Try driving the Nurenburg Ring in Germany! A racetrack full of twistiness that make this road look lame!
Is this BRT? Beautiful dog.
surprised it didnt get washed out like the blue ridge pkwy
Who needs the Tail when you live in Colorado? The tail is for weenies.
Do The Speed Limit. Enjoy The, SCENERY. It Is Not A Race Track. No Matter, If Your, In A Cage, Or H-D Scooter. You Are In The Mountains, Weather, And Road Conditions, Can Change Real Fast. Keep Your Cameras On, All The Time, You Will See Stupid People. They Don't Care About, You, Or Other Motorist, Or, Their Safety. Be Safe, And Stay Healthy. Keep Two Down. Enjoy The Ride.
Ride your own ride.
Was "The Tail" affected by the recent storms/hurricane?
I'm pretty close and have not heard of any problems.
It's been used as a detour to NC for the hurricane.
Vote early. Tell all your friends and family
I never rode the tail but really, how hard can it be. It’s just a road.
Every road is just a road when you ride slow. The people in the comments who are saying "meh" definitely aren't fast riders.
@@musicmaestro88 I agree. For bikers there are two ways to approach this road and others like it. Either for comfortable enjoyment or for aggressive thrills. Take your pick. I’m not going to put down a biker whatever camp he finds himself in. My point is if you are going to be aggressive then this video provides good advice. If you want to ride an interesting road, just ride the road without fear of disaster around the next curve.
I worked at the dam there. To many stupid people there. I tell everyone stay away
Nothing wrong with the dragon. Just idiots riding above there ability.
Just don’t ride like an idiot, allow for good spacing on the Dragon.
When you ride like a dumb ass you can get killed. I’ve ridden like a dumbass and been lucky BUT there’s no guarantee. Ride within your skill level and remember you’re not on a closed course. Ridden the dragon several times. Great ride.
We know u like guns
It was boring. Way over hyped.
What was your average speed?
Too many amateurs.
The only amateurs are the people exceeding the speed limit and treating it like a racetrack. They honestly have no business being there.
Ya, and you have on essentially ZERO proper gear for a fall which is what the video is about. Get real or get off the bike.
Hi, it’s van van on fire guy, here to say hello. To confirm advise from dan dan the fire man, a great tribulation to assy folks, “One may try and notice the speed limit” 😮 max wrist is the greatest rider on earth. Max Wrist don’t use meth. Try that then if you’re so good.
Listening to a Harley rider give advice about the Dragon is laughable.