Sir, you get my sub for this video. I love your points of view. And your fair handed bashing of only the people who deserve it (anyone who was meant to think, while praising those in the visual and acting sections (children not withstanding) was amazing. Also, idk why but i loved how you continuously cut to Charles dance for what appeared to be no reason (was there a logic i didn't pick up on?)
Actually... it wasn't jon they called king of the north. It was rob stark. Coz he was Edards real biological son. So I can't watch this vid when its already started with misinformation! 😡😡😡
My 65 year old mother whose usual TV/book entertainment consists of soap operas, kids movies and such, who doesn't give much priority to accurate or deep lore, who didn't get nearly half of the story/names/places from the previous GoT seasons (just too much to keep up with for her), even she was massively disappointed. She called me after every frigging episode of season 8 to ask me if she just didn't get it or missed something, hoping that I could explain the plot holes. She thought I was joking with her when I told her that no, she didn't miss anything and that THAT *IS* the end product, the finale.
@@ichmeiner4531 You should put this comment on the main post and not under someone’s post cause it’s too good to not be seen!!! If I didn’t click to see what you said, I would have missed this beautiful comment!!!! Lol Thank you!
@@kimmieh8419 thanks 😁 and I wrote comments like this sooooooo often, under every video about GoT season 8 (I absolutely recommend the alternative ending from 'talking thrones', it's all we wanted/needed for the final season) 😅 Edit: my other 'usual comment' is explaining why I think that GoT is exactly like a reeeeeally toxic relationship. And yes, I'm bitter about Dumb&Dumber ruining the series, because they thought they were good writers and then finished it like that hated essay in 8th grade - hastily, with no care or heart in it and rushed to the max so they could move on.
I have to say one thing: I'm just glad that Tywin died before the series went to shit. I can't begin to imagine how badly D&D would have 'developed' him.
@@mathatter9158 of course. I just love the concept of placing the most massive spoilers during the spoiler warning. Thought it was a hilarious fuck you to anyone stupid enough to be mad about it after clicking the video lol
I’m not a military strategist, but when you have immeasurable numbers of an army that doesn’t tire and doesn’t get hungry coming for you, and you half a very strong castle, the last thing you do is send a small portion of your best horse riders and archers to charge at them blindly in the pitch black night.
And not set more lairs of defenses to slow the undead so they can kill the undead while their being slowed down by the stakes and ditches and trenches filled with spikes and such.
It's wild because if you put the cavalry outside the fire line but behind the castle then when the army breaks on the flame defenses you can have the cavalry flank them from the sides while the archers and artillery pound the center It's like, the most classical defensive maneuver in historical tactics when defending a position and you possess cavalry
I feel so bad for the actors, because most of them seem to genuinely understand their characters and care about them, but were forced to not only watch, but actually play out the deterioration of these people who have been part of them for years. In one sentence, Maisie Williams showed a better understanding of writing and consequences than D and D
@Glowhoo nah, CH is a professional and a gentleman. He wouldn’t throw a hissy fit in front of his colleagues and bosses like that. What he actually did was even better tbh. He just kind of calmly folded the script back, took off his glasses, and kept his face neutral. He made his disappointment clear without making a scene
Kit Harrington mentioned that they call the actor and let them know that their character will die in the upcoming season. So he (and Emilia Clarke) definitely knew their characters were going to die, they were just disappointed at HOW their characters die
I'm just relieved that I'm not the only one who is still processing the trauma of how bad the last season was. It's 2020 and I'm still seeking out these types of critiques as a form of therapy to get over the injustice of what was done to such a once amazing show!
i remember reading all the supposed leaks and thinking "nah, they wouldn't do that. that's crazy.that doesn't make any sense. etc." i had no idea the writers had abandoned good sense most of the false leaks for season 8 are better than what actually happened
Disagree about the "dragons eat whatever they want" thing. In Mereen she locked her dragons because they may have eaten a child. Dany wouldn't be so casual about that. That's D&D thinking it sounds cool (it doesn't).
Kyel ! Well Breaking Bad is regarded one best series ever. And no one said it was easy but it can be done better and more effective. And “how does it feel to be a ignorant idiot?”.Is the stupidest thing I’ve heard.
@Kyel ! Chill out, bro! ASOIAF and GOT S1-S6 were great but there is no reason to call him/her an idiot. If you get that mad over something that's not even real you are obviously the idiot.
I will NEVER get over the fact that they built up over 7 seasons that Jon was so important. That the NK knew of Jon specifically ( and Bran). That Jon had lead both Hardhome & Beyond the Wall & was vital in uniting the armies together to fight against the NK. And it was all for absolutely nothing.
Agree to an extent, except Hardhomme specifically guaranteed his bulk forces for the Battle of the Bastards(while being his downfall move to those Nights Watch men who hated wildlings). Still, it was very vital for taking back Winterfell(because just having the Knights of the Vale without ground forces may have been a more even battle. The Battle of the Bastards made him King of the North. Beyond the Wall was to earn a brief respite with Cersei(by showing the wight in action) and it solidified Daeny’s desire to assist the north (seeing what creatures there were who could destroy her kingdom). I do believe overall that Jon was let down significantly as he would have been an awesome King as Aaegon the VI combining Stark and Targaryen blood to make the near perfect ruler. Complete waste sending him north, for what?
@KAITLYN KENNEY This just reminds me of when George RR Martin talked about how subverting people’s expectations isn’t always the smart way to go. Sometimes it’s cheap, and dare I say it, predictable. And you’re right, there’s nothing wrong with an expected plot point, it’s *HOW* the plot point is executed. That is something we, the audience, don’t know. We can theorize, but overall, we generally don’t know. Much like all of us knew Harry would kill Voldemort, but we didn’t know how. Did the fact that the overall audience knew this would somehow discourage them from reading/watching? No. So, to me, this was just lazy writing and D&D’s obsession with Maisie Williams.
@@PinkRanger1105 D&D was obsessed with the Starks in general. They all had good endings except Jon who was the black sheep of the Starks. The series might as well be called "the Starks show" produced by Catelyn Stark.
@@thatsabingo6695 i’d say Dany should’ve been the one. There’s one idea i saw that works perfectly. What they did was have Dany burn the godswood defeating both the night king and his army at the cost of Jon losing his life due to all source of magic being destroyed.
its soooo bullshit. like the night king is killed with a valyrian dagger. now why is valyrian steel, and dragonglass for that matter, able to kill white walkers? because its forged using dragonfire, which has inherent magical properties. but yet dragon fire doesnt hurt the night king at all, not singing his clothes or melting his weapon, or breaking him for that matter since in the show it looks like theyre made of ice. OR how dragon fire has the force and strength to break stones towers and blow through a MASSIVE MAGICAL WALL OF ICE. the writing in the last seasons of this show is hot dog shit
19:55 “We are firmly in ‘Wrap-This-Shit-Up Mode’ at this point in the show.” Truer words were never spoken. You, sir, have a beautiful accent :) good video
The fact that Dany pledged to fight for the north before Jon bent the knee is accurate to her character as we have seen her for seven seasons. It is frustrating that Jon said it like it was the other way around and this is never challenged or corrected so that the Northerners and Sansa can have some kind of justification for hating Dany. Season 8 writing was desperate to undo all of Dany's good deeds, cover her better instincts and shine a light on all her faults which were amplified times a 1000 in order to justify other characters unreasonable dislike and distrust of her. Everything hinged on her mad queen story line and that is why the show tanked, because that concept was never going to work within the framework of the narrative that the show has been about, the books maybe, but not the show.
D&D seemed like they didn't know more than good and absolutely evil. Like there wasn't anything between or rather beyond. Danny lost her own child without going crazy. She lost her dragon. She didn't seem to have a problem finding out she had incest. What could trigger madness in her? Didn't the show originally integrate so many intrigues? Maybe Cersei does something evil to Jon, maybe Jon takes her Dragons. Such things would be better triggers than Jon denying her further incest (for the moment).
I'm under the impression that GRRM told them years ago that Dany was gonna go mad. I have no clue why they waited until the 7th season to do anything with that tho.
@@vondonstrut218 Its pathetic that whenever they make a controversial decision that they always try to hide behind GRRM. Whether he does this or not is irrelevant. If they were going to do this they needed to lay the foundation long ago. Even in episode 3 of the final season Dany is being heroic still. They wanted her to whatever they needed her to be at a any given point. And they did that with the other characters too which is why so many of them seemeed wrong
One thing that really bothered me about the season was how they kind of propped sansa up on this pedestal when she never showed us that she was capable of saving herself... someone else always saved her and yet they made her seem like she was just this cunning badass who always got away... I just wasn’t buying it
My guess is it's because it's not something from the books. Sansa was one of the most changed characters from books to show and the writers sucked at creating their own stuff (that's why the show went downhill once they surpassed the books).
It’s because they gave her Jeyne’s story from the books. We leave all the Stark children (besides poor Rickon stuck in cannibal island) in a training phase by the end of ADWD. Bran is training to become the three eyed crow with Bloodraven, beyond the Wall. Arya is training to become a Faceless Man in Braavos. And Sansa is in Vale with such an interesting politcal conflict going on around her, learning to play the game with Littlefinger. But in the show they scrapped this plot all together and decided to put her through more misery. Because apparently, instead of giving her a well written training phase alongside one of the best players of the game and in a complex political situation that she would learn a lot from, to transform her character into an actual smart and mature person therefore completing her arc would make no sense and she needs to be abused even more severe than what she has endured for the last four seasons to have character development. (I can’t believe they made her actually say this.) So we end up with a show!Sansa that is said to be “the smartest person ever” but instead is just the Walmart Version of show!Cersei. Though this Sansa lacks the villainous charm she had because hey Starks are the good guys! And also they don’t need to show us any demonstration of her so called intelligence. Just make her cold and deviod of any emotion because that’s what a badass woman is like, and not to mention obssesed with Northern independency for some reason. It’s not like she out of all the Stark children is the one that favored her mother’s Southern side the most. She kind of forgot about that I guess. Anyways Starks are the good guys and North is just awsome! And just make some character repeat that she is just sooo smart every five minutes, it should be fine.
@Rheya Ruiz I'm really curious about the North post season 8. Sansa is queen, ok then what? Maybe it goes well because Bran is the king (argh) but she pushed (stupidely) for independance before that. She antigonized Daenerys as soon as they met. "Sansa is the smartest person" yeah so smart that she thinks alieneting the (only) person who came to help you fight an army of dead things, who has two dragons (because she sacrificed one to save your brother and king) and who MAY grant you independance (like she did the Iron Islands) is the best course of action. The smartest person she is...( it hurts i rooted for Sansa in the beginning. She was a badass in King's Landing).
@@mel-lo8zg wow. First yes to all of that. But when you state it like that it's even more horrible what they did. Because they lacked the intelligence to write political intrigues and Sansa learning from Littlefinger they used her body (womanhood?) to further the story. It was always gross but I never realised why they did it. Season 8 Sansa North!Cersei, Arya is super cold ninja assassin, Daenerys is unloved murderous fire queen. Quality wise no one was spared, but it felt to me that the female characters got the worst of it (excepted for the only non-white woman.).
@The kitten that wants chicken I'd be pissed off too if I spent eight years building a character just for the so-called writers to pull a hard left with no setup
@The kitten that wants chicken Yeah and yet they've also shown her as compassionate and measured. Even only a few weeks before this, she defeated the Lannister army and offered them clemency. She _only_ executed Samwell Tarly's father and brother because they refused to bend the knee. Prior to this, a shepherd's daughter was attacked and killed by one of her dragons. Dany was so horrified, her immediate response was to chain all three of them up so that no more innocent lives would be lost. And yet, I waste my time. _Any_ argument you make supporting Season 8's quality can be defeated with two words: _Kinda forgot._
@@thekittenthatwantschicken8018always heard that stupid argument. Rewatch the show again pls, and see how incredibly stupid that so called build up is. You gotta be a absolute retard to accept that as "foreshadowing"😂 she could have been an interesting villain, filled with complexity. But thats not what happened.
I watched 'the long night' while in the hospital on a lot of painkillers and was like "wow, this was pretty cool even though kinda dark". I rewatched it a couple days later at home and was like "wow, I must've been really high on those painkillers". lol
I wouldn't have really had an issue with that. I STILL HATE that she killed the NK. There was absolutely no reason for that, there was no narrative explanation for it, there was no historic reason for it as far as the past seasons go. Bran somehow killing him would have worked, and the. Jon or Dany. No one else could have made sense. But, I never liked Arya when she got to Braavos. I don't like the faceless man thing, and to be honest, if this is how they were gonna do her story, she never even had to go to the FM. She could a got training with the Hound and Brienne and got her skills there. As far as killing the Freys, she didn't have to even camo herself, no one knows what she looks like
Cersei knows about the battle of the bastards and the shifting of little fingers allegiance. Jaime's face would be much better, then Arya would have fulfilt the witche's prophecy that Cersei would be killed by her younger brother.
What makes you think Littlefinger would’ve been let into the Red Keep alive ? Given the fact that the last time he saw Cersei she had told him that he needed to take Winterfell for the Lannisters.
Makes sense that Tyrion was fighting in black water as hand then in the long night is hiding in the krypt, when the north says they need Every man they can get... Amazing writing
There’s a big difference between selectively taking on Stannis’s men at Blackwater and taking on these relentlessly fast and vicious creatures! Besides, he’s Daeny’s hand and she specifically wanted him in a safer place given his future duties to her..
I was baffled when Dany just casuslly let Jon mount Rhaegal. First time I have seen that scene, I literally thought she wanted him dead. But turns out show!Dany does not know about a tiny tiny part called the Dance of The Dragons in her family’s history, where those who faked to have Valyrian blood in their veins tried to claim dragons and they were burned alive by said dragons. Because no one outside of those had Valyrian heritage was ever able to claim a dragon. So you know Dany, before she knows about R+L=J should never allow Jon on a dragon, unless she wants him dead. Even if she did.... why doesn’t it click her that he actually mounted Rhaegal and was not burned alive, eaten alive, or just thrown off from sky? Is there any sensible explanation as to why literally no one cares about him mounting a dragon? Especially Tyrion who you know growing up was obssesed with dragons and should know that no one without Valyrian blood has ever been able to ride a dragon. Why doesn’t it click to him that no Targaryen has ever married into House Stark so either he has a Targaryen mom which is impossible considering at the time of his birth there was only one woman Targaryen Queen Rhaella who hasn’t even met Ned, so he must have a Targaryen daddy. Why doesn’t neither Dany nor Tyrion realise this? Visiuals are incredible and Jon riding the dragon named after his father is a nice moment but... it falls flat because of the lack of logic.
He is half tygereon that's why drogon didn't kill him for killing denarys. It's also why he gave them a cold stare when they were kissing he might have known they are related. And yes drogon sensed Danny dying so... But this video is made by a guy who obviously lives in a perfect world where everything works on time like a Swiss watch 99% of hid complaint can be easily rebutted. Also he didn't read the books the entire book series takes place over 3-4 months so the queen pregnancy not showing lots of skinny women don't show till like 2 month left to birth
Seth Tek Well I have read the books so... Dragons do kill Targaryens. Rhaenyra Targaryen was eaten alive by her half-brother’s dragon Sunfyre, Rhaenys Targaryen TQWNW was burnt alive by either Vhagar, Sunfyre or both. Joffrey Velaryon, son of Rhaenyra was thrown off of the sky by his mother’s dragon Syrax. Drogon should have killed him, he just didn’t because D&D wanted that cool shot of Arya, Sansa and Jon, it’s that simple. Also I don’t get your point about the books taking place in “3-4 months” the time is unclear in the books, but there are a few mentions of it here and there, so a lot of people, me included assume 2 to 3 years has passed between the start of AGOT and end of ADWD, and the books end by Season 5 (even though Season 5 is a clownery compared to the Feast/Dance) so Cersei is not pregnant. Coming from someone who has read the books, the second half of this show is unwatchable, and even the first four seasons has major problems with character arcs. They are not just minor issues
Hunter Ghobadi You are talking about Nettles, Hugh and Ulf (he was even called white for his silver hair). They were all dragonseeds, or descendants of them. Nettles is the only one that does not seem to have Valyrian features but it’s heavily implied that she was Daemon’s illegitimate daughter, that he probably fathered in Stepstones. So yeah, no one without Valyrian blood ever mounted a dragon.
@@mel-lo8zg the books take place all in a course of 2 to 3 years. In the first book Jon Snow is 14 turning 15 and Daenerys is 13 turning 14. In the last book ADWD Daenerys is 15 and Jon is 16
Glad we all agree we could have lived without seeing Arya's attempt at the devil's tango like we basically literally watched the girl grow up and I could honestly hardly tell when and if she was meant to turn 18 in the show
I feel really sorry for Emilia. She put so much time and soul into that character, and they just butchered her. She did do some pretty amazing acting with what they gave her though. Its definitely the widest range of emotion she's showed, and I think she nailed it
i will never forget the disappointment that weighed on me when arya killed the night king. it felt so cheap and contrived. so effortless. i knew the remaining episodes wouldn't be anything of substance.
Even though it should have been John, or shit maybe even some mind/super natural battle with Bran, I was OK with Arya doing it. However the manner in which it happened was fucking nauseating. Let's take this character who dedicated her teenage years to become the most baddass assassin with super cool OP face swapping powers and not let her use any of those cool powers to do something this important. I literally couldn't think of a better situation where the implementation of the many faced god would have been more useful.
If Jon wasn't going to do it, some random soldier should have just gotten in a lucky hit on him randomly Or like, they find a stocky of Valerian arrows and some nameless archer just manages to plunk the Night King on a longshot
I loved the foreshadowing in the books that Arya would assassinate someone specifically in the Godswood. Thought it was lazy that they made it the Night King tho.
I agree about Jamie and Brienne's scenes almost always being good. I think they have the best chemistry out of any of the characters, except maybe Arya and the Hound. They're my favorite duo to watch.
The hound’s arc was one of the few that I was happy with. His ending didn’t upset me at all. However I wouldn’t have minded if he beat the mountain and then recreated the brotherhood without banners, or just retired to a village somewhere
One part that really got me was that Dany just didn’t care at all when told her child was raised from the dead. Also, as if my magic, Sansa becomes the smartest person everyone knows. Smart was a stretch enough, wasn’t it?
Yes I didn't understand this part. She seems to have been "hardened" by what happened to her, but I personally don't think she is any smarter. People start treating her that way, but we never actually witness her doing something smart.
Exactly she never showed being smart characters just keep telling us 🤦🏾♀️ the admitted slow learner is the smartest person you ever met? Not to mention Sansa worried about food when bran literally just said, “We don’t have time for this, the wall has fallen, & the night king has a dragon” so yea it’s not time to starve stupid Sansa
@@arikemeiziii5549 definitely not that great of a video. I ceases to amaze how everybody thinks they are better writers than the people who literally wrote the best t.v series
@@fanaticbox "who literally wrote" No. Grrm wrote the greatest TV show. They ruined it in the last 4 seasons. You can't dispute the vast majority of this video. Only small lore details such as the high valyrian point. One could say...you are nit picking :^)
Joras death always makes me laugh because of its bad choreography. His sacrifice looks more like danny pushing him into a sword to save herself after everything they've been through 😂
@@hughhoney5203 He sold men to pay for a wife that did not love or respect him and shamed his father to the point of exile. This wretch is beyond worthless.
Bran is evil, he saw all the visions of the future/past. He knew what would've happened. This is pretty horrid because he knew what would've happened. I guess he won by splitting up Jon and Daenerys.
They could have developed Bran to the entity maintaining the balance of light and darkness, of ice and fire, without caring much about the cost of other lifes except his family and friends. It could be about him trying to find an outcome that doesn't require a Stark to die. There has to be a personality left, otherwise this kind of entity that he represents wouldn't need a body. They didn't depict either how difficult it is for Bran to find the right memories in all this chaos of time and location. It's impossible for him to know everything because it has been shown before that his visions don't happen outside the limitations of time.
One of the biggest pet peeves I have with the Night King walking up to Bran literally as slowly as possible conveniently giving time for Arya to make her charge towards the Night King. Why didn't the Night King just chuck his sword/spear at Bran or you know have his generals kill Bran. He has already established himself as a insane shot by shooting Viserion out of the air in season 7. Honestly, I don't know why he did not fly his dragon and burn Bran. :shrug:
The thing is though, Daenerys did everything to show that she was on their side and was nothing but nice to Sansa when she arrived. The first thing she said to Sansa was "Your brother was absolutely right, you are so beautiful." and Sansa showed her nothing but attitude and then proceeded to antagonize her along with the rest of the northerners like her, her army, and her dragons (the "what do dragons eat anyway" was completely uncalled for) being there was an inconvenience even though they were there to help save the entire north. Daenerys had every right to feel disrespected because that's what the northern people were doing from the very start. To say she's done nothing to earn their respect is completely false.
Half agree with this. It wasn't an uncalled-for line, but a very legitimate question. And this creator explained why they're wary of Dany. Everything else I agree with.
@@made-line7627 id believe this if it was anyone else who asked but the way it was sansa who already showed her ass to Dany and how she said it in such a condescending and “aha gotcha” way that I don’t believe she really cared for the answer. And they’re ✨dragons✨, take a wild guess what they eat. And they want me to believe she’s the smartest person alive? Yeah right 🚶🏾♀️ Plus the whole Targaryen thing is weird to cause they’re basing it off one Targaryen and the words of an old knight. Granted yes it was her father, but the same thing could be thought of anyone else if we go off of one perspective in their lives. Sansa is still a Bolton and was living under and married a Lannister (albeit unwilling but going off of face value rq), Tyrion killed his own father and hand of the king and is still a Lannister, Jon is just stupid and also executed a child (again just face value rn).
@@made-line7627 Sansa's tone was definitely uncalled for, it may be a valid question to ask but she didn't need to ask it the way she did. She was nothing but disrespectful to Dany from the moment she arrived for literally no reason at all. Not to mention the fact Sansa's brother and King was in love with Dany! At least for her King's sake she could've shown the bare minimum of respect, out of respect for him than anything else. But Sansa doesn't respect anyone, certainly not Jon, so she behaved like the petulant child she was in season 1 instead. Sansa as a character was completely insufferable the entire season.
@@WWEdiva246 it's literally not about how out of pocket that attitude was, it's a simple situation. Dany literally sidelined her quest for the throne, put her men at risk and lost her last allies from essos to help northmen fight. It was in her best interest too yes but d&d literally explained it as winterfell was sansa's safe haven and she feels that dany is intruding on it, how else was dany supposed to fight 😭? Also publicly undermining a queen with two grown dragons is not the best diplomatic decision
@@aahana4931Daenerys went to fight the zombies because the alternative was for every single human on the continent to die This idea that she made them a favour is insane
1:00:20 Nitpick: "Valar morghulis" is High Valyrian, not Bravoosi, and is a common saying throughout Essos, including in Slaver's Bay. In fact, a dialect called bastard Valyrian is spoken in Slaver's Bay, where the Unsullied are raised and trained. So that part checks out.
Except it's not. Its specifically a saying of the faceless men why the fuck would your secret word of phrase be a common term? Remember the ship Captains reaction to Arya when she says it to him? Also "All men must die and All men just serve" is literally the backbone of the House of black and white. They believe that only death is the true God and all men must serve him. The show having a bunch of randoms say it all the time makes no damn sense.
@@wisdommanari6701 It's a common saying for all people who worship the faceless. It might be a common culture in the far south. Like Egyptians worshipped the god of death by the means of cat mummies. Such subcultures are possible. A saying might be passed on in this context without everyone knowing what's inside the pyramids (Arya is also in this special temple during her training). They only know that it relates to death culture and that these coins have a special meaning. Like lucky coins. There are worthless but who believes in them...
"Why is this series punishing me for thinking??" - yes, that is exactly what the last few seasons were doing! That's a great way of putting it. In contrast, the first five seasons punished you for not thinking, for settling into complacency.
This was amazingly well done! Thank you for acknowledging the fact that Theon died believing he failed. Many people missed this and it dissapoints me, seeing as how he was my favorite character. By the way, regarding the point you made about Jon not going for the White Walkers while on Rhaegal, he actually tried to do it but was stopped by a blizzard that came out of nowhere. There's still a flaw in logic behind that though. Keep up the good work!
@MorganaEly Except for the Dorne storyline which was hot garbage. They didn’t even include Arianne & Quentyn Martell, who are POV characters in the last 2 books!
@@Phanthief95 just look how they butchered the sand snakes... They were some of the most interesting characters in the books and in the series they are all Obara.
I strongly disagree about the army of the dead being ill-equipped for siege warfare, in fact I think they are the ultimate army for that. They don't tire, they don't eat or drink and they don't care about the cold. They could have very easily waited at a safe distance outside the castle and cut off any supply lines. The Night King can summon a blizzard and it wouldn't take long at all for those inside the castle to freeze or starve to death (They were already struggling with food as mentioned in S8E1). All the living can do is try and use the dragons in desperate attempt to kill the Night King and his army, but #1 The Night King's immune to dragon fire and #2 in blizzard conditions I strongly favour the wight dragon and the white walkers with javelins over the livings 2 dragons.
@@leinfare You have to take into account that the dragon that melted Harrenhall was Baelerion, one of the biggest dragons in recorded history. There were no other accounts of dragons melting stone, probably because no other dragons since then were nearly as large and thus, didn't breathe fire nearly as hot.
Dragon glass is presumably also related to dragon fire. So what else could kill him? Maybe this is where witchcraft comes into play. Maybe another Targaryen (Jon) has to sacrifice himself and become the new night king (because there always has to be one night king for the weather in their universe to exist). After that, the old night king is just another white knight and Arya throws a dragon knife through his skull right before it's too late. All white walkers that he created die with him but Jon as the new NK has to return to the north because wherever he is, the winter is with him. Dany gets crazy over realizing that she can never touch Jon again because she's the mother of the dragons and it touching hurts both. Or she gets mad over realizing that he lost all of his feelings like the previous NK. Or maybe Jon sees her as his enemy now since she's the fire. Many ways to build up a mad queen. But it has to be something that destroys her remaining purpose, and a huge load of emotions.
@@leinfare your points are decent but you have overthought the blizzard issue. A dragon can't just breathe fire and remove an entire blizzard which best serves as a smoke screen.If the wights wait out the defenders you would have to try to find the Night King in a blizzard with no visibility. Dragon fire does not get around that. Plus, yes it is easy to kill a wight dragon, but is is also easy for the wights to kill the living dragons.If you hop on a dragon and fly out blindly into an army of wights having your dragon breathe fire you will tell the undead king and his fellow wights where to throw a spear, and it only takes one spear before you have to deal with two dragons instead of one.You have put too much focus on the deadliness of fire and used a simple and straightforward scenario regarding castles to overstate how effective fire would be.It's a blizzard, not a castle.The problem is visibility.In a castle you could rain fire on it and the enemy would not see you through a stone wall. Out in the open in a snowstorm you will light yourself up like a beacon if you use fire just to burn some snowflakes that the whitewalkers can provide without limit.In regards to the defenders shooting arrows at the wights, again you cannot hit what you cannot see past a horde of undead bodies, a blizzard, and the darkness of night.The living lose hands down if the wights choose to wait them out.
The biggest problem I have with the North becoming its own kingdom is, wouldn’t every other kingdom be asking the same thing? Like I doubt Dorne likes being ruled by an outside king lol It would just erupt into every kingdom going to war to become independent
Eh, let them try to rebel, the north could get away with it unless you bring in dragons. The north has never actually been conquered by foreign powers. The Andals couldn’t do it, and the only reason the north Kneeled to Aegon was because of the dragons. The iron born don’t really count either since at the time most of the north’s forces were fighting the lannisters, so the north was pretty much unguarded. The main reason the other lands wouldn’t rebel is that it’s not really worth it. They earn more being unified than they do if they were alone. The north has every reason to be independent however since they don’t follow the same gods, have a different way of life, and the south treats them as savages and has made their lives hell.
@@glowhoo9226 The Starks surrendered the North rather than be burned by Aegon and therefore he conquered it. And let's say that this isn't a clear cut conquest, well then Dorne has even more reason to want independence since they are the ones that were never conquered, their compliance was bought with marriage and their rulers still hold the titles of Prince and princess while everywhere else (including the North) they use Lord and lady. Dorne was never conquered in any sense of the word and if anyone of the kingdoms should have freedom it's them. Also Dorne is also pretty different from the rest of westeros, their customs are different, their traditions, their way of life. I'd say that the North has more similarities with the seven kingdoms than Dorne . As for the Iron islands they revolted when Robert was king too so makes sense they'd do it again. Giving the North independent was complete fan service, logically Bran should know that this would eventually break up all the realm. Also if anyone rebelled they would not really have any way to defend or stop anyone because westeros have seen war for years now and their resources are completely depleted.
@@aishaallaqband9911 On top of this. Dorne joined the kingdom in a marriage union with house targaryen. With no Targaryen kings their union is null and void
One thing I hated but never heard anyone else mention was the sheer drop in quality and lack of acknowledgment of the costume designs after S5-6. In S1-4 you had very distinctive and colorful outfits for all the various factions, for example if you paid really close attention you'd be able to tell what family a soldier serves by his helmet alone, sort of like how that was the case in real life for a short while. Then in S6 Sansa starts wearing this bizarre outfit with that obnoxious metal ring that doesn't seem to have any meaning at all (I guess a Wolf brooch was too passé?), and Cersei starts wearing this all-black outfit with a corduroy-pattern robe, fur cloak and shutter-shoulderpads over it? That doesn't say "Queen" that says "we ran out of ideas for what believable medieval fashion would look like lol" Missandei and Grey worm almost always dressed like edgelords so I can excuse everything for them, but did Tyrion, Varys and Dany have to follow suit? Tyrion with his weird all-black jacket, **under** jacket, etc. For god's sake in S5 and 6 we see him wearing Essos clothing while talking to Varys (who also went full-black emo mode for no reason) and it looks different but still colorful and we see SO MUCH color in Essos fashion in S1-4 it's practically like the directors *kinda forgot* about it. And then you have Dany, who does seem to wear a lot of cloaks, padded stuff that has chains and dragon heads on them, but it still looks just so bland and uninspired when she was so distinctive before. Jon got off lucky since he just wears the same outfit Robb wore with a couple variations, and Davos is literally the exact same since S2, which is changing literally nothing but still somehow better. But the biggest example of this by far are the city watch and kings/queensguard. Remember when they were called the Gold/White cloaks respectively and you could tell them apart quite easily? NOPE, give everyone a really menacing black and white plate armor that looks about as wieldy and inspired as a barrel of crude oil, and just drip that barrel over everyone. The only saving grace throughout all of this is Jaime, who still wears the old fashion Lannister armor that Tywin wore, and you can tell D&D just turned down a dial that read "Saturation" to zero every time it shows up because even *that* looks darker and less colorful than before. Also the Golden Company who while they look neat also disappear immediately , lol gg d&d The reason for this is obvious, it was just D&D trying to look dark and edgy by having everyone *dress* dark and edgy to make it look more deep or something, or to literally have good guys dressed in bright clothes fight against bad guys dressed in dark clothes, even though that's **literally what GRRM said as an example of what he doesn't want to do.** I know I'm ranting about a show that ended really poorly almost two whole years ago but i've **literally** never seen anyone mention this, like, at all, and it annoys me to no end.
I just finished binging all the seasons and the costumes in the last seasons were driving me crazy! I’m so glad to see this comment!!!! They were all pretty bad, except for maybe Dany’s whitish fur looks and some of the accent pieces (like the metal lions on Jamie’s armor). The first seasons wardrobes were amazing, the latter seasons were distractingly bad in most cases.
Interesting to finally hear some critiques of episodes 1 and 2, the latter episodes were so egregiously bad that everyone forgot about the former. And the fact that the master assassin Ayra is screaming whilst lurching to the Night King has been something I've been waiting for someone else to notice. Looking forward to part 2.
I agree with you for most parts but Jon really didn’t need to bend the knee. And the boat scene after Jon returns back to east watch, Dany says we’ll stop the night king together then Jon decided to bend the knee after hearing that. If he didn’t say that then he’ll still be king and they’ll be working together for a common goal.
Rheya Ruiz The writing for him was great in seasons 4&5 as in 5 he becomes lord commander and has to make tough decisions and was good at leading. In Battle of bastards and after they make his character out to be a terrible battle commander and showing no great strategic thought like Robb Stark did. whilst in the books Jons politically savvy, excellent at battle strategy and good at leading but is an average fighter, those traits make him fit to be a great king if he’s ever resurrected.
I gotta give it up to Djawadi for his work during all of the series, including S8. BTW, the only bad part about this video is having to wait for the other two installments. #firstworldproblems
@@wisdommanari6701 you can still make noise without your tongue. You just can’t talk. Your tongue isn’t where your voice comes from, your vocal chords are responsible for that
Am I late to the party? This video is already so good, I love it, but I’ll make a few points as I go: • Moat Calin is easy to pass through from the North, but impossible to retake from the South. I don’t know if it’s actually a good idea to go there to then suffer to return home. Also, the expedition would be so massive - they would have to move Lords, Ladies and their servants to the South in the middle of Winter - not worth it. However, it would make perfect sense if they had more time and could’ve stayed on the Riverlands, on the Vale or even on the Westerlands (remember Tyrion’s conquest of Casterly Rock?). • Your idea of a commotion starting when Jaime arrives is a much better scene than what we’ve got. Daenerys would be furious, • Your impression of Jon is the best • I never thought the Night King could simply... you know... avoid the place with the dragons... gather EVEN MORE army... and comeback • Funny you mention Dany questioning if Rhaegar would have r*ped Lyanna. I’m rereading AGOT, and she remembers him “dying for the woman he loved”... it’s literally in her first chapter. • “Don’t settle for crap just because it looks good” relationship advices with moneymedia. • Also, remember that the Long Night was supposed to last GENERATIONS
Just an Addition to your Theon change, Theon on the ground bleeding, almost dead, sees a shadow behind a tree. Recognizes the opportunity decides to make one last jump at the Night King, maybe throws something to distract him. Theon smirks at the Night King, Arya comes from behind to deliver the Final Blow. The END, I would like my Emmy now seeing as they give it to anyone these days.
I still think the night king should’ve been killed by either bran sacrificing himself, or by Jon fighting him. Arya should’ve been the one to kill Cersei.
Update on Part 2 (10/30): It's been 10 days since I filed my copyright disputes and HBO still haven't responded. They have another 20 days and after that the claims get automatically removed. I'm hoping they'll respond before then because the video is finished and I really want to release it. But worst case scenario it'll be available to watch in 20 days.
Literally have been checking every day since 10/2 to see if its up and avail, until seeing your update messages. Appreciate you going above and beyond to handle it!
Some issues could have been solved with more time and creativity. Consider this: Euron is elected king and rebuilts the Iron Fleet. His subjects are happy because he promises them plunder. Then, he cuts put the tongues of his crew to ensure silent attacks. Now, every family on the Iron Islands has some involuntary mute and resent him. But they can't see a way of resisting him. Until he sails off and Yara comes back.
The line by Jon about bending the knee even makes less sense when Dany promised to help them even before he bent the knee. That whole scene on the boat in Beyond the Wall makes absolutely zero sense now and was completely pointless.
Less than a minute in and you say "[others] are acting as though the writing issues and quality drop for GoT is a new thing has really made me want to talk about seasons 5-7" and I'm saying out-loud "THANK YOU, ME TOO". Subscribed for those!
@Other Makes sense that you felt that way and it worked out in the end. There are certainly people who didn't see the decline though, and that seems to be most people - S7 has like 93% on Rotten Tomatoes which is just absurd given the quality of the writing was about on par with that of S8, especially in comparison to earlier seasons. I'm genuinely glad you enjoyed it longer than I did while also appreciating there was a drop in quality though. I am happy for the people enjoyed it, good for them. What annoys me (among many other things) is I believe D&D's attitude to fan service, particularly fan servicing the large bulk of fans who don't actually care all that much (which is a fine position to hold in television btw, don't get me wrong!) is partly what led to a decrease in quality and change in tone and themes etc etc. The blame still lies at the feet of D&D (for many other reasons as well), but their view fo how to handle fan reactions dictated the diection of their show which I think is a great mistake. This approach to storytelling where the majority of fans' attitude influence the writers seems detrimental to the minority of more serious and deeply invested fans that are still making and watching these videos a year on, and people who actually care for the source material and the lore of this fictional world. I would say for this type of fan, including myself, other people's approval of some of the butchering of the story in S5-7, particularly S7, was heartbreaking because it was always setting up where the show led (a goodies vs baddies Hollywood action drama where the heroes can't die and always prevail) and that was always going to be a road to disappointment in the end. I was actually relieved when people didn't like S8 because I knew for a while something bad was coming and I liked that people finally realised what was happening! For example in S7... People were celebrating things like Arya's massacre of the Frey's, which in the world set up in S1-4 would have major major consequences for the entire kingdom and potentially for Arya personally, and for House Stark as she stupidly revealed it was her that did it to a witness she knowingly and intentionally spared (which breaks all of the Faceless Men lore on sooo many levels of course, but that was already ruined in S6), and her actions were super immoral and unjust! But the audience were led to like it, and like it they did. Thus one more step was taken towards Arya being this unearned badass that the fans all cheer for and blindly adore, a step towards her killing the Night King in the writers' hopes for the same unearned cheering (the Night King who himself is a show invention for the embodiment of evil which is a fantasy trope early GoT and asoiaf tried to subvert!). On so many levels did the show mess it up and yet the fans loved it which is an endorsement for more of the same. And that was all before the intro theme of S7E1!! I have loads of examples but this one is enough to express my disappointment. What is funny is that on watching S8 I actually got some enjoyment from it. I enjoy critical reviews and I knew I was going to get many! I liked that other people finally didn't like it as well, cos I was always the outsider in discussions for not liking what they were doing. And I'd already decided the books are my canon so I didn't care too much what happened in this fan fiction show. The show would have lost me long ago, it was my appreciation for the books that kept me mildly interested but not bothered enough to be properly upset with where it ended up like it hit some people. I watched most of it without feeling much where some poor unsuspecting people were devastated.
@Other This is a good point. Perhaps that's why no one ended up liking S8! Even if they only made something they would enjoy, I believe they were influenced by the fans in some places though. A few examples... Cleganebowl wasn't their idea and didn't serve anything in the plot, Jaime and Brienne getting together despite the ending they wanted for Jaime (and the nonsensical virgin shaming of an unmarried noble woman in a feudalistic society - it's not like it's literally expected of her!), Arya and Gendry, especially the proposal which breaks established Westerosi customs. Gendry didn't even need to come back at all in the first place! The fans just liked him so he came back in a contrived way, and they made a rowing joke to reference the memes for good measure. i could be wrong about their influence and motives but it sure seems fanservicy to me!
The decline started right out of the gate with the first episode of season 5. There were some truly stupid and nonsensical plotlines in each season from thereon in, the worst of which for me was Arya's stabbing and miraculous recovery, followed by that stupid pop-up Frey mass murder scene. The turned Arya from a character I loved into an overpowered, smug annoyance. But there was enough to keep my interest in the story. It all hinged on the wrapping up of the big plotlines and character arcs and they failed in almost all of them. It killed my interest in ever watching the show again. The final episode of season 8 actually made me angry at how much they were willing to insult the audience's intelligence. Unbearable, stupid shit.
@@tidepride86 ShittingOnGoTFest2021 is here! And we're all invited!!! It may get cancelled if it clashes with ReleaseDateForWindsOfWinterFest, but the tickets will just transfer across.
I always love watching things like this, because I’m trying to learn to write. They’re actually incredibly helpful! I’ve learned a lot about he difference between subverting expectations in order to cast off tired tropes, and subverting expectations for 10 second shock value from looking at how Game of Thrones went down.
Sam is not a capable fighter, he killed the white walker and fin by luck. The onion knight admitted when he defended Jon's dead body that he has no hand to hand combat skill.
Part 2 will be released this month (September). Sorry it's taken so long, I'm working on it, I've just had a lot of IRL stuff get in the way. But I'll make sure I find the time to finish and release it this month. And hopefully Part 3 will come quicker. I hope it was worth the wait! Big shout-out to everyone that has watched this so far. If you could share it around that'd be a big help. Also I have a second channel you can check that out here: th-cam.com/users/moneywrestling Also follow me on twitter here: twitter.com/moneyvideos
Love your videos dude, since I stumble upon the little finger video I have been waiting for you to upload your next video I hope you get to working on that walking dead video cause I loved that show before it turned into a dumpster fire Sorry for my bad English
When are you going to release the second part ? By the way your critique is great ! The last two seasons are just bad writing. Dany should seat on the throne or die protecting J Snow while his fight with N K . Looking Forward to watch the second part ! Thank you 🙏
On the note of hiding in the Crypt: The Starks made this big deal about their knowledge of the old ways, of their faith in the old gods. They even made a point of saying they even followed old, long lost customs of burying their dead with an iron sword. So I (foolishly apparently) thought the story was going to use this as a payoff and have the Night King try and resurrect the dead only to realise that the dead of Winterfell are beyond him. Guess the writers just forgot about that though
I'm not quite sure if Cersei waiting out the whole thing is really all that smart. It's practically an all in gamble. If the North wins, she wins. If the North loses, the army of the dead comes at her, with tens of thousands of soldiers additional to what they originally had as well as 3 dragons. Doesn't sound thought out thoroughly to me.
This is many months late, but I’m glad I saw this comment. This nitpick bothered me and I was surprised I couldn’t find anybody in the comments addressing it till I saw this. While I agree with most of the points in the video, Cersei staying south is an absolutely risky choice. The odds of the North winning is low, and if they lose, how does that benefit Cersei? This isn’t a typical real life war. Your opponent doesn’t need sleep, food, water, rest...and when they kill an opponent, their numbers grow, not diminish. Letting two enemies weaken each other and then swooping in is a good strategy in real life, but that doesn’t work if one opponent gets stronger by beating the other side.
In the books it's said that the hand of one of the zombies had rotten on their way to kings landing. Zombies are still made of flesh and are reanimated by magic. They are not alive so they would probably simply rot and decay on their way to the warmer south
@@MEGAAGUMAN Not exactly. That hand rotted because it had been separated from the body for so long(which is why the intact wight made the entire journey south to be seen by a Cersei, during warm time). Moreover, the Night King does what? He brings the Winter!(north or south).
1:00:30 "valar morghulis" and "valar dohaeris" are both High Valyrian phrases. The phrases are commonly used by the Faceless Men, but the words are not Braavosi. Grey Worm is in an army trained by people who speak High Valyrian and now commanded by a Queen who speaks High Valyrian. Red Priests also speak High Valyrian consistently. When Mel greats Thoros, they say the words to eachother. This interaction isn't illogical at all.
Update (10/17): Part 2 isn't quite finished but it's nearly there. Should only be a few more days. Sorry for the delay. Lots of IRL stuff has got in the way. Hopefully it'll be worth the wait.
I really just hope that in the books (if they’re ever finished) Jon will be revealed to be a Dayne and he has to kill Daenerys with Dawn, when he pulls the sword out, it ignites and reveals him to be Azhor Ahai
"There will come a day after a long summer when the stars bleed and the cold breath of darkness falls heavy on the world. In this dread hour a warrior shall draw from the fire a burning sword. And that sword shall be Lightbringer, the Red Sword of Heroes, and he who clasps it shall be Azor Ahai come again, and the darkness shall flee before him."
They had legendary knights, undead kings, fire mage, dragons, assassins, barbarians, frost zombies, wargs... a goddamn monk with a valerian steel sword. This had such epic potential.
This was really good, man! I thought when D&D said that they wanted to make the show for NFL Players and Mothers. Which is weird because: A) This is insinuating that Mothers and NFL players are incapable of enjoying a deeply woven and intricate story full of mystery and suspense. (Two oddly specific markets to be talking down to.) Or B) They realized they couldn't possibly hold up to GRRM's talent, so they gave up and tried to go in a new direction using whatever scribbling GRRM left on the cocktail napkin, and their "natural" abilities. Hell, they were even going to update the title screen. This was Game of Thrones 2.0. This wasn't your grandpappy's Game of Thrones. This was newer, bluer, and awful. It took this once brilliant show and condemned it to forgotten history. But we still have the books at least...which we re read patiently as we wait for The Winds of Winter...for the last 9 years...We're never going to figure out what Littlefinger was up to, were we?
Very impressed with your research, critique, and presentation. Not to mention, your humor and sarcasm is just epic. Playing Marvin Gaye’s “what’s going on” while questioning the night king’s motivations was priceless. Thoroughly enjoyed this critique and can’t wait to view the other parts. Thanks for the great content. No brainer subscribe!
The scene where Jorah tells Dany about Tyrion’s “intelligence” and how he’s a competent hand is the most insulting in the show. Not a single line is consistent with what we know about the characters (including Tyrion) or accurately portrayed the events of the show we’ve seen. Jorah always should’ve been Dany’s hand. He was the wise cunning voice in her ear through her toughest moments. This entire army and kingdom started with two people: a 14 year old Daenerys with no idea about politics or ruling and exiled Ser Jorah Mormont. With his guidance you now have the greatest army in Westeros but instead you trust a dwarf of the enemy house who hasn’t made a single good decision under your rule?
Another important question about the Night King left unanswered - why did he leave a mark on Bran after touching him in one of Brans visions, yet Arya has no mark on her neck?
from past two years i thought i had spent enough time picking all the inconsistencies and ideocracies of the final season and justified my disappointment of this show, until i watched this video and realized i had just scratched the surface of all the lazy writing in this season, and this video just explains half of the season. MY GOD!!!
Facts I'm still here years later learning even more inconsistencies when I though I knew them all. I totally forgot that valyrian steel was special because it was forged in dragonfire but actual dragonfire did nothing to the night king! The writing on this show wasn't just lazy it ended up feeling insulting to the characters, the story, the lore and most of all, the viewers intelligence. It's not that hard to write a single episode consistently but they didn't do that once the whole of season 8. An "it was all a dream" ending would've been lazy writing, this was just an "idgaf anymore" attitude to the show and all the actors, the crew, the fans etc who spent a decade with this show.
42:45 LMAO @ your Jon Snow voice it's dead on, and you're 100% right can't believe I never thought of that Jon always knew his priorities and would've worked towards aiding Umber instead of pissing about on a dragon lol "We are then enchanted by Podrick's singing as we see a montage of soldiers prepping for the battle in stupid ways" had me rolling😂😂 I always thought that while season 8 is trash at least episodes 1 and 2 were good, now you've helped me realise that they're not really, both pretty much set-up filler episodes at best, literally anything that happened of importance has some level of inconsistency apart from like 3 scenes; the "plan" to kill the Night King probably the worst scene of all lol...but like u said still absolute miles better than the other 4 episodes can't wait to see you rip episodes 4 and 5 lol this was great looking forward to part 2 :)
I was absolutely gutted after watching season 8 . Over a year later and I’m still mad/upset at it . How on earth could they rush the ending when it was previously a slow build up . Also , how could it not be Jon snow to kill the night king ! Well there is no way I will ever watch another tv show based on this series . What on earth happened with Bran as well ? Going from not being able to be a lord of anything to being the king !!
Brienne being declared 'A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms' is also a nod to the GRRM Dunk and Egg book of that same name because Brienne is likely a descendant of Ser Duncan the Tall. Unfortunately I don't think we know the entire knighting speech - Dunk walked away part way through the knighting in The Hedge Knight so we never heard the end of it. I imagine there is a charge in the name of each of the Seven (or possibly six with the exclusion of the Stranger). I've come up with an idea of what we are missing: "In the name of the Smith I charge you to be strong. In the name of the Crone I charge you to seek truth and wisdom. In the name of the Stranger I charge you to respect the fallen. Do you, Money of House Media, take these charges and swear to live by them with honour now and forever?" [Upon accepting:] "Arise Ser Money, knight of Mediatown." I made all this up myself just now for fun so feel free to improve on it, but I did some research to try and make it sound believable. I read the wiki pages for The Faith, Knights and even Marriage which led me to extracts from The Hedge Knight, A Storm of Swords and A Dance with Dragons to look for suitable wordings. I wanted honour mentioned, I wanted an oath to be taken, I wanted it to sound religious and to reference all seven gods appropriately. Now I understand (even more than I already did) how it takes GRRM so long to write!
It seems as though the copyright issues have finally been resolved. Assuming Part 2 doesn't get hit with any new ones, I will be making it public at 12 noon ET. I'll post the link to it here. Hope you enjoy it.
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Bruh ur littlefinger video is legendary, next you should do a video on stannis lol
Sir, you get my sub for this video. I love your points of view. And your fair handed bashing of only the people who deserve it (anyone who was meant to think, while praising those in the visual and acting sections (children not withstanding) was amazing.
Also, idk why but i loved how you continuously cut to Charles dance for what appeared to be no reason (was there a logic i didn't pick up on?)
You said GSP and I subbed btw
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Actually... it wasn't jon they called king of the north. It was rob stark. Coz he was Edards real biological son. So I can't watch this vid when its already started with misinformation! 😡😡😡
"Why is this show punishing me for thinking?!?!" - That spoke to my spirit
My 65 year old mother whose usual TV/book entertainment consists of soap operas, kids movies and such, who doesn't give much priority to accurate or deep lore, who didn't get nearly half of the story/names/places from the previous GoT seasons (just too much to keep up with for her), even she was massively disappointed. She called me after every frigging episode of season 8 to ask me if she just didn't get it or missed something, hoping that I could explain the plot holes. She thought I was joking with her when I told her that no, she didn't miss anything and that THAT *IS* the end product, the finale.
@@ichmeiner4531 You should put this comment on the main post and not under someone’s post cause it’s too good to not be seen!!! If I didn’t click to see what you said, I would have missed this beautiful comment!!!! Lol Thank you!
@@kimmieh8419 thanks 😁 and I wrote comments like this sooooooo often, under every video about GoT season 8 (I absolutely recommend the alternative ending from 'talking thrones', it's all we wanted/needed for the final season) 😅
Edit: my other 'usual comment' is explaining why I think that GoT is exactly like a reeeeeally toxic relationship. And yes, I'm bitter about Dumb&Dumber ruining the series, because they thought they were good writers and then finished it like that hated essay in 8th grade - hastily, with no care or heart in it and rushed to the max so they could move on.
"Why is this show punishing me for watching and liking the earlier seasons?"
@@ibendiben im convinced this show is just a massive troll pulled off by D&D for shits and jiggles.
I have to say one thing: I'm just glad that Tywin died before the series went to shit. I can't begin to imagine how badly D&D would have 'developed' him.
True. Imagine if they dumbed him down as well. That would be horrible to watch.
I'd hope Charles Dance would be smart enough to leave the show before that point
Oh, wow. Yeah, that would have been extra pathetic to see what they did with him!
JeremyCuddles dont forget Dorne
Still pretty sure Tywin was poisoned. I can’t wait for Tyrion to find out Tywin was already going to die before he looses the bolt.
I absolutely love that DURING the spoiler warning, he shows the night king being killed and Drogon roasting king's landing lmaooo
Most people not wanting to be spoiled would not watch a video named “A Critique of Game of Thrones Season 8”.
@@mathatter9158 of course. I just love the concept of placing the most massive spoilers during the spoiler warning. Thought it was a hilarious fuck you to anyone stupid enough to be mad about it after clicking the video lol
There is no way someone who hasn’t season 8 would believe that’s a spoiler. Because it’s stupid
@@mathatter9158 Church 👏👏👏
@Vandole Yup.... 👌👏👏
I’m not a military strategist, but when you have immeasurable numbers of an army that doesn’t tire and doesn’t get hungry coming for you, and you half a very strong castle, the last thing you do is send a small portion of your best horse riders and archers to charge at them blindly in the pitch black night.
And not set more lairs of defenses to slow the undead so they can kill the undead while their being slowed down by the stakes and ditches and trenches filled with spikes and such.
Nobody should ever write a long battle scene without reading "the art of war"
It's wild because if you put the cavalry outside the fire line but behind the castle then when the army breaks on the flame defenses you can have the cavalry flank them from the sides while the archers and artillery pound the center
It's like, the most classical defensive maneuver in historical tactics when defending a position and you possess cavalry
Imagine if the Dothrakki got pissed when they saw their swords light up and dogpile the witch because they hate witches.
I feel so bad for the actors, because most of them seem to genuinely understand their characters and care about them, but were forced to not only watch, but actually play out the deterioration of these people who have been part of them for years. In one sentence, Maisie Williams showed a better understanding of writing and consequences than D and D
You ought to see the table read for season 8. Conlieth Hill threw his script on the table when they read his death scene.
@@glowhoo9226 Oh that poor, poor man
@Glowhoo nah, CH is a professional and a gentleman. He wouldn’t throw a hissy fit in front of his colleagues and bosses like that.
What he actually did was even better tbh. He just kind of calmly folded the script back, took off his glasses, and kept his face neutral. He made his disappointment clear without making a scene
Kit Harrington mentioned that they call the actor and let them know that their character will die in the upcoming season. So he (and Emilia Clarke) definitely knew their characters were going to die, they were just disappointed at HOW their characters die
@@shannonceleste5557 No he definitely threw the script. We saw it with our own eyes
I'm just relieved that I'm not the only one who is still processing the trauma of how bad the last season was. It's 2020 and I'm still seeking out these types of critiques as a form of therapy to get over the injustice of what was done to such a once amazing show!
Me too, and I've been watching critiques of The Last Jedi even longer.
Yes! Same here. I am still grieved.
Lol, I thought I was finally over it. But here I am. 😁
You are not alone lol I still feel it
@Butter Brickle Well, they were fired from working on future reboot of Star Wars. Everyone who signed petition cheered about that last year.
"A BILLION dollar show with $20 writing"
exactly
The same goes for the Disney Star Wars trilogy.
if I paid a writer $20 for this id want my money back
Kyle Negaard frrr
I've read far better free fanfiction than this.
@@lorealiiiii What?
"The embrace of two long separated brothers, when one has the emotional range of a toaster oven"
My guy, that's an insult to toaster ovens
And cylons :(
I quote Harry Potter: *Emotional Range of a Teaspoon*
@@bunnysash3298 read. another. book.
Fr 😭
i remember reading all the supposed leaks and thinking "nah, they wouldn't do that. that's crazy.that doesn't make any sense. etc."
i had no idea the writers had abandoned good sense
most of the false leaks for season 8 are better than what actually happened
Well, honestly, almost everything that happened in Season 8 could have happened… with another whole season setting it up properly.
Disagree about the "dragons eat whatever they want" thing.
In Mereen she locked her dragons because they may have eaten a child. Dany wouldn't be so casual about that. That's D&D thinking it sounds cool (it doesn't).
Kyel ! Well Breaking Bad is regarded one best series ever. And no one said it was easy but it can be done better and more effective. And “how does it feel to be a ignorant idiot?”.Is the stupidest thing I’ve heard.
@Kyel ! Chill out, bro! ASOIAF and GOT S1-S6 were great but there is no reason to call him/her an idiot. If you get that mad over something that's not even real you are obviously the idiot.
Yup
No they didnt eat the child they roasted the child !
@@berni9977 They dint say. But maybe was comedy roast. :/
I will NEVER get over the fact that they built up over 7 seasons that Jon was so important. That the NK knew of Jon specifically ( and Bran). That Jon had lead both Hardhome & Beyond the Wall & was vital in uniting the armies together to fight against the NK. And it was all for absolutely nothing.
Agree to an extent, except Hardhomme specifically guaranteed his bulk forces for the Battle of the Bastards(while being his downfall move to those Nights Watch men who hated wildlings). Still, it was very vital for taking back Winterfell(because just having the Knights of the Vale without ground forces may have been a more even battle. The Battle of the Bastards made him King of the North. Beyond the Wall was to earn a brief respite with Cersei(by showing the wight in action) and it solidified Daeny’s desire to assist the north (seeing what creatures there were who could destroy her kingdom).
I do believe overall that Jon was let down significantly as he would have been an awesome King as Aaegon the VI combining Stark and Targaryen blood to make the near perfect ruler. Complete waste sending him north, for what?
Imagine Harry Potter not fighting Lord Voldemort and then Hermione kills him.
That would still somewhat be fine, but imagine that Ginny Weasely kills Voldemort. This is what it felt like
@KAITLYN KENNEY This just reminds me of when George RR Martin talked about how subverting people’s expectations isn’t always the smart way to go. Sometimes it’s cheap, and dare I say it, predictable. And you’re right, there’s nothing wrong with an expected plot point, it’s *HOW* the plot point is executed. That is something we, the audience, don’t know. We can theorize, but overall, we generally don’t know. Much like all of us knew Harry would kill Voldemort, but we didn’t know how. Did the fact that the overall audience knew this would somehow discourage them from reading/watching? No. So, to me, this was just lazy writing and D&D’s obsession with Maisie Williams.
Not even Hermoine, like Ginny or some random third year muggle or something
@@PinkRanger1105 D&D was obsessed with the Starks in general. They all had good endings except Jon who was the black sheep of the Starks. The series might as well be called "the Starks show" produced by Catelyn Stark.
@@thatsabingo6695 i’d say Dany should’ve been the one. There’s one idea i saw that works perfectly. What they did was have Dany burn the godswood defeating both the night king and his army at the cost of Jon losing his life due to all source of magic being destroyed.
The tradegy is, why could the camera not simply cut away from Theon and Jorah? Stupid camera, it's its fault they're ded.
Stannis lives!!!
"Sansa is the smartest person I've ever met." Really? You even spent time with Tywin, you little shit! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 This was fabulous
"Dragonfire doesn't burn clothes, armor, weapons and other items if the Night King has equipped them." --the best show on TV, or something.
its soooo bullshit. like the night king is killed with a valyrian dagger. now why is valyrian steel, and dragonglass for that matter, able to kill white walkers? because its forged using dragonfire, which has inherent magical properties. but yet dragon fire doesnt hurt the night king at all, not singing his clothes or melting his weapon, or breaking him for that matter since in the show it looks like theyre made of ice. OR how dragon fire has the force and strength to break stones towers and blow through a MASSIVE MAGICAL WALL OF ICE.
the writing in the last seasons of this show is hot dog shit
19:55 “We are firmly in ‘Wrap-This-Shit-Up Mode’ at this point in the show.”
Truer words were never spoken.
You, sir, have a beautiful accent :) good video
The fact that Dany pledged to fight for the north before Jon bent the knee is accurate to her character as we have seen her for seven seasons. It is frustrating that Jon said it like it was the other way around and this is never challenged or corrected so that the Northerners and Sansa can have some kind of justification for hating Dany. Season 8 writing was desperate to undo all of Dany's good deeds, cover her better instincts and shine a light on all her faults which were amplified times a 1000 in order to justify other characters unreasonable dislike and distrust of her. Everything hinged on her mad queen story line and that is why the show tanked, because that concept was never going to work within the framework of the narrative that the show has been about, the books maybe, but not the show.
They changed everyone into their polar opposites
D&D seemed like they didn't know more than good and absolutely evil. Like there wasn't anything between or rather beyond. Danny lost her own child without going crazy. She lost her dragon. She didn't seem to have a problem finding out she had incest. What could trigger madness in her? Didn't the show originally integrate so many intrigues? Maybe Cersei does something evil to Jon, maybe Jon takes her Dragons. Such things would be better triggers than Jon denying her further incest (for the moment).
I'm under the impression that GRRM told them years ago that Dany was gonna go mad. I have no clue why they waited until the 7th season to do anything with that tho.
@@vondonstrut218 Its pathetic that whenever they make a controversial decision that they always try to hide behind GRRM. Whether he does this or not is irrelevant. If they were going to do this they needed to lay the foundation long ago. Even in episode 3 of the final season Dany is being heroic still. They wanted her to whatever they needed her to be at a any given point. And they did that with the other characters too which is why so many of them seemeed wrong
What they did to her character was an abomination, indeed. Jaime, Jon, and some others too.
One thing that really bothered me about the season was how they kind of propped sansa up on this pedestal when she never showed us that she was capable of saving herself... someone else always saved her and yet they made her seem like she was just this cunning badass who always got away... I just wasn’t buying it
My guess is it's because it's not something from the books. Sansa was one of the most changed characters from books to show and the writers sucked at creating their own stuff (that's why the show went downhill once they surpassed the books).
That was one of the most forced things in the entire show imo.
It’s because they gave her Jeyne’s story from the books. We leave all the Stark children (besides poor Rickon stuck in cannibal island) in a training phase by the end of ADWD. Bran is training to become the three eyed crow with Bloodraven, beyond the Wall. Arya is training to become a Faceless Man in Braavos. And Sansa is in Vale with such an interesting politcal conflict going on around her, learning to play the game with Littlefinger. But in the show they scrapped this plot all together and decided to put her through more misery. Because apparently, instead of giving her a well written training phase alongside one of the best players of the game and in a complex political situation that she would learn a lot from, to transform her character into an actual smart and mature person therefore completing her arc would make no sense and she needs to be abused even more severe than what she has endured for the last four seasons to have character development. (I can’t believe they made her actually say this.) So we end up with a show!Sansa that is said to be “the smartest person ever” but instead is just the Walmart Version of show!Cersei. Though this Sansa lacks the villainous charm she had because hey Starks are the good guys! And also they don’t need to show us any demonstration of her so called intelligence. Just make her cold and deviod of any emotion because that’s what a badass woman is like, and not to mention obssesed with Northern independency for some reason. It’s not like she out of all the Stark children is the one that favored her mother’s Southern side the most. She kind of forgot about that I guess. Anyways Starks are the good guys and North is just awsome! And just make some character repeat that she is just sooo smart every five minutes, it should be fine.
@Rheya Ruiz I'm really curious about the North post season 8. Sansa is queen, ok then what? Maybe it goes well because Bran is the king (argh) but she pushed (stupidely) for independance before that. She antigonized Daenerys as soon as they met. "Sansa is the smartest person" yeah so smart that she thinks alieneting the (only) person who came to help you fight an army of dead things, who has two dragons (because she sacrificed one to save your brother and king) and who MAY grant you independance (like she did the Iron Islands) is the best course of action. The smartest person she is...( it hurts i rooted for Sansa in the beginning. She was a badass in King's Landing).
@@mel-lo8zg wow. First yes to all of that. But when you state it like that it's even more horrible what they did. Because they lacked the intelligence to write political intrigues and Sansa learning from Littlefinger they used her body (womanhood?) to further the story. It was always gross but I never realised why they did it.
Season 8 Sansa North!Cersei, Arya is super cold ninja assassin, Daenerys is unloved murderous fire queen. Quality wise no one was spared, but it felt to me that the female characters got the worst of it (excepted for the only non-white woman.).
Emilia Clarke saying "Best season EVAA!!!" will always be damning.
she butt hurt her character was never going to get the disney ending she wanted
@The kitten that wants chicken I'd be pissed off too if I spent eight years building a character just for the so-called writers to pull a hard left with no setup
@@adamheywood113 they been throwing breadcrumbs about dany bruning KL down since book 1/season 1
@The kitten that wants chicken
Yeah and yet they've also shown her as compassionate and measured.
Even only a few weeks before this, she defeated the Lannister army and offered them clemency. She _only_ executed Samwell Tarly's father and brother because they refused to bend the knee.
Prior to this, a shepherd's daughter was attacked and killed by one of her dragons. Dany was so horrified, her immediate response was to chain all three of them up so that no more innocent lives would be lost.
And yet, I waste my time. _Any_ argument you make supporting Season 8's quality can be defeated with two words:
_Kinda forgot._
@@thekittenthatwantschicken8018always heard that stupid argument. Rewatch the show again pls, and see how incredibly stupid that so called build up is. You gotta be a absolute retard to accept that as "foreshadowing"😂 she could have been an interesting villain, filled with complexity. But thats not what happened.
I watched 'the long night' while in the hospital on a lot of painkillers and was like "wow, this was pretty cool even though kinda dark".
I rewatched it a couple days later at home and was like "wow, I must've been really high on those painkillers". lol
My biggest missed opportunity is Arya using Littlefinger's face to take out Cersai. It would've been more satisfying.
Now this would have been awesome
@@blackoutgo2597 totally. Cercai would've had no word that anything happened to him.
I wouldn't have really had an issue with that. I STILL HATE that she killed the NK. There was absolutely no reason for that, there was no narrative explanation for it, there was no historic reason for it as far as the past seasons go. Bran somehow killing him would have worked, and the. Jon or Dany. No one else could have made sense. But, I never liked Arya when she got to Braavos. I don't like the faceless man thing, and to be honest, if this is how they were gonna do her story, she never even had to go to the FM. She could a got training with the Hound and Brienne and got her skills there. As far as killing the Freys, she didn't have to even camo herself, no one knows what she looks like
Cersei knows about the battle of the bastards and the shifting of little fingers allegiance. Jaime's face would be much better, then Arya would have fulfilt the witche's prophecy that Cersei would be killed by her younger brother.
What makes you think Littlefinger would’ve been let into the Red Keep alive ? Given the fact that the last time he saw Cersei she had told him that he needed to take Winterfell for the Lannisters.
Makes sense that Tyrion was fighting in black water as hand then in the long night is hiding in the krypt, when the north says they need Every man they can get... Amazing writing
There’s a big difference between selectively taking on Stannis’s men at Blackwater and taking on these relentlessly fast and vicious creatures! Besides, he’s Daeny’s hand and she specifically wanted him in a safer place given his future duties to her..
I was baffled when Dany just casuslly let Jon mount Rhaegal. First time I have seen that scene, I literally thought she wanted him dead. But turns out show!Dany does not know about a tiny tiny part called the Dance of The Dragons in her family’s history, where those who faked to have Valyrian blood in their veins tried to claim dragons and they were burned alive by said dragons. Because no one outside of those had Valyrian heritage was ever able to claim a dragon. So you know Dany, before she knows about R+L=J should never allow Jon on a dragon, unless she wants him dead. Even if she did.... why doesn’t it click her that he actually mounted Rhaegal and was not burned alive, eaten alive, or just thrown off from sky? Is there any sensible explanation as to why literally no one cares about him mounting a dragon? Especially Tyrion who you know growing up was obssesed with dragons and should know that no one without Valyrian blood has ever been able to ride a dragon. Why doesn’t it click to him that no Targaryen has ever married into House Stark so either he has a Targaryen mom which is impossible considering at the time of his birth there was only one woman Targaryen Queen Rhaella who hasn’t even met Ned, so he must have a Targaryen daddy. Why doesn’t neither Dany nor Tyrion realise this? Visiuals are incredible and Jon riding the dragon named after his father is a nice moment but... it falls flat because of the lack of logic.
He is half tygereon that's why drogon didn't kill him for killing denarys. It's also why he gave them a cold stare when they were kissing he might have known they are related. And yes drogon sensed Danny dying so... But this video is made by a guy who obviously lives in a perfect world where everything works on time like a Swiss watch 99% of hid complaint can be easily rebutted. Also he didn't read the books the entire book series takes place over 3-4 months so the queen pregnancy not showing lots of skinny women don't show till like 2 month left to birth
Seth Tek Well I have read the books so... Dragons do kill Targaryens. Rhaenyra Targaryen was eaten alive by her half-brother’s dragon Sunfyre, Rhaenys Targaryen TQWNW was burnt alive by either Vhagar, Sunfyre or both. Joffrey Velaryon, son of Rhaenyra was thrown off of the sky by his mother’s dragon Syrax. Drogon should have killed him, he just didn’t because D&D wanted that cool shot of Arya, Sansa and Jon, it’s that simple. Also I don’t get your point about the books taking place in “3-4 months” the time is unclear in the books, but there are a few mentions of it here and there, so a lot of people, me included assume 2 to 3 years has passed between the start of AGOT and end of ADWD, and the books end by Season 5 (even though Season 5 is a clownery compared to the Feast/Dance) so Cersei is not pregnant. Coming from someone who has read the books, the second half of this show is unwatchable, and even the first four seasons has major problems with character arcs. They are not just minor issues
@@mel-lo8zg The turncloaks (forget there name) and a stable girl were taught to fly three dragons, so I don't think this is true.
Hunter Ghobadi You are talking about Nettles, Hugh and Ulf (he was even called white for his silver hair). They were all dragonseeds, or descendants of them. Nettles is the only one that does not seem to have Valyrian features but it’s heavily implied that she was Daemon’s illegitimate daughter, that he probably fathered in Stepstones. So yeah, no one without Valyrian blood ever mounted a dragon.
@@mel-lo8zg the books take place all in a course of 2 to 3 years. In the first book Jon Snow is 14 turning 15 and Daenerys is 13 turning 14. In the last book ADWD Daenerys is 15 and Jon is 16
Glad we all agree we could have lived without seeing Arya's attempt at the devil's tango like we basically literally watched the girl grow up and I could honestly hardly tell when and if she was meant to turn 18 in the show
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in the early 1080s.🇨🇦 I am Canadian.😁 Great job on the podcast.👍.
@@louiseclearwater5546Just in time for the crusades
It's 2020 and we are all still here for this type of content. I still feel traumatized for how this show ended.
almost 2022 and still here😅🙄
@@areswalker5647 1st day of July 2022 and I have still not forgotten.
October 20, 22 and I am still watching these
August of '23. Still have no new book to take the sting off of this shit show.
2024 😭
I will never get tired of watching people shitting on GoT season 8. Videos like this are very cathartic, keep 'em coming. :D
I knew subscribing to this channel 3 years ago would eventually pay off.
Most excellent work, my dude.
lol I was thinking the same thing earlier
More pay off than the ending of GoT lol
'"Best" Season Ever"
*BEsT sEAsOn EvEr*
Ever
Its not really her fault , all is bcz that 2 idiots
I feel really sorry for Emilia. She put so much time and soul into that character, and they just butchered her. She did do some pretty amazing acting with what they gave her though. Its definitely the widest range of emotion she's showed, and I think she nailed it
i will never forget the disappointment that weighed on me when arya killed the night king. it felt so cheap and contrived. so effortless. i knew the remaining episodes wouldn't be anything of substance.
Same here.
@@r.castle5096 it was terrible Piss poor writing
Even though it should have been John, or shit maybe even some mind/super natural battle with Bran, I was OK with Arya doing it. However the manner in which it happened was fucking nauseating. Let's take this character who dedicated her teenage years to become the most baddass assassin with super cool OP face swapping powers and not let her use any of those cool powers to do something this important. I literally couldn't think of a better situation where the implementation of the many faced god would have been more useful.
If Jon wasn't going to do it, some random soldier should have just gotten in a lucky hit on him randomly
Or like, they find a stocky of Valerian arrows and some nameless archer just manages to plunk the Night King on a longshot
I loved the foreshadowing in the books that Arya would assassinate someone specifically in the Godswood. Thought it was lazy that they made it the Night King tho.
I agree about Jamie and Brienne's scenes almost always being good. I think they have the best chemistry out of any of the characters, except maybe Arya and the Hound. They're my favorite duo to watch.
The hound’s arc was one of the few that I was happy with. His ending didn’t upset me at all. However I wouldn’t have minded if he beat the mountain and then recreated the brotherhood without banners, or just retired to a village somewhere
One part that really got me was that Dany just didn’t care at all when told her child was raised from the dead. Also, as if my magic, Sansa becomes the smartest person everyone knows. Smart was a stretch enough, wasn’t it?
She certainly got a lot more mature and more intelligent, but she’s nowhere near the levels of Littlefinger or Olenna Tyrell
Yes I didn't understand this part. She seems to have been "hardened" by what happened to her, but I personally don't think she is any smarter. People start treating her that way, but we never actually witness her doing something smart.
Exactly she never showed being smart characters just keep telling us 🤦🏾♀️ the admitted slow learner is the smartest person you ever met? Not to mention Sansa worried about food when bran literally just said, “We don’t have time for this, the wall has fallen, & the night king has a dragon” so yea it’s not time to starve stupid Sansa
Phrase "valar morghulis" is used throughout whole Essos, not just Braavos, and it's High Valyrian, not Braavosi.
THANK YOU!!!
Hmm a small issue in a good video.
@@arikemeiziii5549 definitely not that great of a video. I ceases to amaze how everybody thinks they are better writers than the people who literally wrote the best t.v series
@@fanaticbox damn. your right. small problem in an ok video :)
@@fanaticbox "who literally wrote"
No. Grrm wrote the greatest TV show. They ruined it in the last 4 seasons.
You can't dispute the vast majority of this video. Only small lore details such as the high valyrian point.
One could say...you are nit picking :^)
"Arya gets her custommade weapon from Gendry and she learns the true meaning of the phrase 'stick them with the pointy end'".
Oh, you're killing me
Joras death always makes me laugh because of its bad choreography. His sacrifice looks more like danny pushing him into a sword to save herself after everything they've been through 😂
😂😂😂
Dany got sick of him being obsessed with her so she just *push* “ohhh nooo he died 😔”
@@kellywolstenholme8134 He died as he lived: A Simp who wasted his life.
@@randomcenturion7264 he had accomplished some things before he met her y'know
He's used to be a slave trader
@@hughhoney5203 He sold men to pay for a wife that did not love or respect him and shamed his father to the point of exile.
This wretch is beyond worthless.
Bran is evil, he saw all the visions of the future/past. He knew what would've happened. This is pretty horrid because he knew what would've happened. I guess he won by splitting up Jon and Daenerys.
Exactly. Puppet master
This is something very few people seemed to notice! He allowed the burning of kings landing to happen so he could be king? Okay bran....
I think Bran is meant to be evil. They should have killed him.
They could have developed Bran to the entity maintaining the balance of light and darkness, of ice and fire, without caring much about the cost of other lifes except his family and friends. It could be about him trying to find an outcome that doesn't require a Stark to die. There has to be a personality left, otherwise this kind of entity that he represents wouldn't need a body. They didn't depict either how difficult it is for Bran to find the right memories in all this chaos of time and location. It's impossible for him to know everything because it has been shown before that his visions don't happen outside the limitations of time.
D&D's writing is so far gone that I doubt GRRM's ending will be even remotely close to the incoherent mess we got.
One of the biggest pet peeves I have with the Night King walking up to Bran literally as slowly as possible conveniently giving time for Arya to make her charge towards the Night King. Why didn't the Night King just chuck his sword/spear at Bran or you know have his generals kill Bran. He has already established himself as a insane shot by shooting Viserion out of the air in season 7. Honestly, I don't know why he did not fly his dragon and burn Bran. :shrug:
The thing is though, Daenerys did everything to show that she was on their side and was nothing but nice to Sansa when she arrived. The first thing she said to Sansa was "Your brother was absolutely right, you are so beautiful." and Sansa showed her nothing but attitude and then proceeded to antagonize her along with the rest of the northerners like her, her army, and her dragons (the "what do dragons eat anyway" was completely uncalled for) being there was an inconvenience even though they were there to help save the entire north. Daenerys had every right to feel disrespected because that's what the northern people were doing from the very start. To say she's done nothing to earn their respect is completely false.
Half agree with this. It wasn't an uncalled-for line, but a very legitimate question. And this creator explained why they're wary of Dany. Everything else I agree with.
@@made-line7627 id believe this if it was anyone else who asked but the way it was sansa who already showed her ass to Dany and how she said it in such a condescending and “aha gotcha” way that I don’t believe she really cared for the answer. And they’re ✨dragons✨, take a wild guess what they eat. And they want me to believe she’s the smartest person alive? Yeah right 🚶🏾♀️
Plus the whole Targaryen thing is weird to cause they’re basing it off one Targaryen and the words of an old knight. Granted yes it was her father, but the same thing could be thought of anyone else if we go off of one perspective in their lives. Sansa is still a Bolton and was living under and married a Lannister (albeit unwilling but going off of face value rq), Tyrion killed his own father and hand of the king and is still a Lannister, Jon is just stupid and also executed a child (again just face value rn).
@@made-line7627 Sansa's tone was definitely uncalled for, it may be a valid question to ask but she didn't need to ask it the way she did. She was nothing but disrespectful to Dany from the moment she arrived for literally no reason at all. Not to mention the fact Sansa's brother and King was in love with Dany! At least for her King's sake she could've shown the bare minimum of respect, out of respect for him than anything else. But Sansa doesn't respect anyone, certainly not Jon, so she behaved like the petulant child she was in season 1 instead. Sansa as a character was completely insufferable the entire season.
@@WWEdiva246 it's literally not about how out of pocket that attitude was, it's a simple situation. Dany literally sidelined her quest for the throne, put her men at risk and lost her last allies from essos to help northmen fight. It was in her best interest too yes but d&d literally explained it as winterfell was sansa's safe haven and she feels that dany is intruding on it, how else was dany supposed to fight 😭? Also publicly undermining a queen with two grown dragons is not the best diplomatic decision
@@aahana4931Daenerys went to fight the zombies because the alternative was for every single human on the continent to die
This idea that she made them a favour is insane
This truly is therapy. I sincerely hope that D&D never writes for anything ever again
"Remember when the show subverted cliches ? Now it just subverts good writing". Well put lol x2
1:00:20 Nitpick: "Valar morghulis" is High Valyrian, not Bravoosi, and is a common saying throughout Essos, including in Slaver's Bay. In fact, a dialect called bastard Valyrian is spoken in Slaver's Bay, where the Unsullied are raised and trained. So that part checks out.
Except it's not. Its specifically a saying of the faceless men why the fuck would your secret word of phrase be a common term? Remember the ship Captains reaction to Arya when she says it to him? Also "All men must die and All men just serve" is literally the backbone of the House of black and white. They believe that only death is the true God and all men must serve him. The show having a bunch of randoms say it all the time makes no damn sense.
Wisdom Manari' the ship captain reacts to the coin even so the saying is still high Valyrian. That’s a fact.
This part might check out, unlike the scene where Cersei kills Missandei and her last words are Dracarys or something.
@@wisdommanari6701 It's a common saying for all people who worship the faceless. It might be a common culture in the far south. Like Egyptians worshipped the god of death by the means of cat mummies. Such subcultures are possible. A saying might be passed on in this context without everyone knowing what's inside the pyramids (Arya is also in this special temple during her training). They only know that it relates to death culture and that these coins have a special meaning. Like lucky coins. There are worthless but who believes in them...
You said something to the affect that GoT prided itself on being realistic.. dragons, faceless men, white walkers, etc.. come on now.
That S8 ruined the show. Now I can’t go back and rewatch the previous seasons because all that build up is just a waste of our time.
"Why is this series punishing me for thinking??" - yes, that is exactly what the last few seasons were doing! That's a great way of putting it.
In contrast, the first five seasons punished you for not thinking, for settling into complacency.
*first 4. Season 5 was pretty bad as well, especially all of the dorne plot (well lack of plot).
@@thomasparmenter128 Yeah, probably. Those middle seasons blur a bit for me and now I can't bring myself to rewatch anything.
The title of this video should be: “**Game Of Thrones Season 8: Why Are You Punishing Me for Thinking?!”**
lol at Bran with "the emotional range of a toaster oven". I immediately had the image of a toaster sitting on a throne, with a jauntily tilted crown.
This was amazingly well done! Thank you for acknowledging the fact that Theon died believing he failed. Many people missed this and it dissapoints me, seeing as how he was my favorite character. By the way, regarding the point you made about Jon not going for the White Walkers while on Rhaegal, he actually tried to do it but was stopped by a blizzard that came out of nowhere. There's still a flaw in logic behind that though. Keep up the good work!
“He brings the storm with him”
The show died with Tywin (aka when D & D decided they didn't need GRRM anymore)
@MorganaEly Except for the Dorne storyline which was hot garbage. They didn’t even include Arianne & Quentyn Martell, who are POV characters in the last 2 books!
@@Phanthief95 just look how they butchered the sand snakes... They were some of the most interesting characters in the books and in the series they are all Obara.
@XyloTheGreat and by murdering them, Euron became a fan favorite of show only watchers... Show Euron. The Rockstar.
Ugh.
@MorganaEly Stannis' story conclusion was garbage. His arc in book 5 is actually Jon's story in Season 6.
@MorganaEly no they actually were not. How do you think we got to this point? It was the shit writing in season 5 and 6
I strongly disagree about the army of the dead being ill-equipped for siege warfare, in fact I think they are the ultimate army for that. They don't tire, they don't eat or drink and they don't care about the cold. They could have very easily waited at a safe distance outside the castle and cut off any supply lines. The Night King can summon a blizzard and it wouldn't take long at all for those inside the castle to freeze or starve to death (They were already struggling with food as mentioned in S8E1).
All the living can do is try and use the dragons in desperate attempt to kill the Night King and his army, but #1 The Night King's immune to dragon fire and #2 in blizzard conditions I strongly favour the wight dragon and the white walkers with javelins over the livings 2 dragons.
@@leinfare You have to take into account that the dragon that melted Harrenhall was Baelerion, one of the biggest dragons in recorded history. There were no other accounts of dragons melting stone, probably because no other dragons since then were nearly as large and thus, didn't breathe fire nearly as hot.
@@leinfare How do they burn anything worthwhile if the storm blinds them and inhibits their maneuverability as it did on the show?
@@leinfare Wouldn't the biting cold and strong winds of the blizzard hinder the Dragons' ability to fly???
Dragon glass is presumably also related to dragon fire. So what else could kill him? Maybe this is where witchcraft comes into play. Maybe another Targaryen (Jon) has to sacrifice himself and become the new night king (because there always has to be one night king for the weather in their universe to exist). After that, the old night king is just another white knight and Arya throws a dragon knife through his skull right before it's too late. All white walkers that he created die with him but Jon as the new NK has to return to the north because wherever he is, the winter is with him. Dany gets crazy over realizing that she can never touch Jon again because she's the mother of the dragons and it touching hurts both. Or she gets mad over realizing that he lost all of his feelings like the previous NK. Or maybe Jon sees her as his enemy now since she's the fire. Many ways to build up a mad queen. But it has to be something that destroys her remaining purpose, and a huge load of emotions.
@@leinfare your points are decent but you have overthought the blizzard issue. A dragon can't just breathe fire and remove an entire blizzard which best serves as a smoke screen.If the wights wait out the defenders you would have to try to find the Night King in a blizzard with no visibility. Dragon fire does not get around that. Plus, yes it is easy to kill a wight dragon, but is is also easy for the wights to kill the living dragons.If you hop on a dragon and fly out blindly into an army of wights having your dragon breathe fire you will tell the undead king and his fellow wights where to throw a spear, and it only takes one spear before you have to deal with two dragons instead of one.You have put too much focus on the deadliness of fire and used a simple and straightforward scenario regarding castles to overstate how effective fire would be.It's a blizzard, not a castle.The problem is visibility.In a castle you could rain fire on it and the enemy would not see you through a stone wall. Out in the open in a snowstorm you will light yourself up like a beacon if you use fire just to burn some snowflakes that the whitewalkers can provide without limit.In regards to the defenders shooting arrows at the wights, again you cannot hit what you cannot see past a horde of undead bodies, a blizzard, and the darkness of night.The living lose hands down if the wights choose to wait them out.
The biggest problem I have with the North becoming its own kingdom is, wouldn’t every other kingdom be asking the same thing? Like I doubt Dorne likes being ruled by an outside king lol
It would just erupt into every kingdom going to war to become independent
Eh, let them try to rebel, the north could get away with it unless you bring in dragons. The north has never actually been conquered by foreign powers. The Andals couldn’t do it, and the only reason the north Kneeled to Aegon was because of the dragons. The iron born don’t really count either since at the time most of the north’s forces were fighting the lannisters, so the north was pretty much unguarded.
The main reason the other lands wouldn’t rebel is that it’s not really worth it. They earn more being unified than they do if they were alone. The north has every reason to be independent however since they don’t follow the same gods, have a different way of life, and the south treats them as savages and has made their lives hell.
@@glowhoo9226 The Starks surrendered the North rather than be burned by Aegon and therefore he conquered it. And let's say that this isn't a clear cut conquest, well then Dorne has even more reason to want independence since they are the ones that were never conquered, their compliance was bought with marriage and their rulers still hold the titles of Prince and princess while everywhere else (including the North) they use Lord and lady. Dorne was never conquered in any sense of the word and if anyone of the kingdoms should have freedom it's them. Also Dorne is also pretty different from the rest of westeros, their customs are different, their traditions, their way of life. I'd say that the North has more similarities with the seven kingdoms than Dorne . As for the Iron islands they revolted when Robert was king too so makes sense they'd do it again.
Giving the North independent was complete fan service, logically Bran should know that this would eventually break up all the realm.
Also if anyone rebelled they would not really have any way to defend or stop anyone because westeros have seen war for years now and their resources are completely depleted.
@@aishaallaqband9911 On top of this. Dorne joined the kingdom in a marriage union with house targaryen. With no Targaryen kings their union is null and void
One thing I hated but never heard anyone else mention was the sheer drop in quality and lack of acknowledgment of the costume designs after S5-6.
In S1-4 you had very distinctive and colorful outfits for all the various factions, for example if you paid really close attention you'd be able to tell what family a soldier serves by his helmet alone, sort of like how that was the case in real life for a short while.
Then in S6 Sansa starts wearing this bizarre outfit with that obnoxious metal ring that doesn't seem to have any meaning at all (I guess a Wolf brooch was too passé?), and Cersei starts wearing this all-black outfit with a corduroy-pattern robe, fur cloak and shutter-shoulderpads over it? That doesn't say "Queen" that says "we ran out of ideas for what believable medieval fashion would look like lol"
Missandei and Grey worm almost always dressed like edgelords so I can excuse everything for them, but did Tyrion, Varys and Dany have to follow suit? Tyrion with his weird all-black jacket, **under** jacket, etc. For god's sake in S5 and 6 we see him wearing Essos clothing while talking to Varys (who also went full-black emo mode for no reason) and it looks different but still colorful and we see SO MUCH color in Essos fashion in S1-4 it's practically like the directors *kinda forgot* about it.
And then you have Dany, who does seem to wear a lot of cloaks, padded stuff that has chains and dragon heads on them, but it still looks just so bland and uninspired when she was so distinctive before. Jon got off lucky since he just wears the same outfit Robb wore with a couple variations, and Davos is literally the exact same since S2, which is changing literally nothing but still somehow better.
But the biggest example of this by far are the city watch and kings/queensguard. Remember when they were called the Gold/White cloaks respectively and you could tell them apart quite easily? NOPE, give everyone a really menacing black and white plate armor that looks about as wieldy and inspired as a barrel of crude oil, and just drip that barrel over everyone.
The only saving grace throughout all of this is Jaime, who still wears the old fashion Lannister armor that Tywin wore, and you can tell D&D just turned down a dial that read "Saturation" to zero every time it shows up because even *that* looks darker and less colorful than before.
Also the Golden Company who while they look neat also disappear immediately , lol gg d&d
The reason for this is obvious, it was just D&D trying to look dark and edgy by having everyone *dress* dark and edgy to make it look more deep or something, or to literally have good guys dressed in bright clothes fight against bad guys dressed in dark clothes, even though that's **literally what GRRM said as an example of what he doesn't want to do.**
I know I'm ranting about a show that ended really poorly almost two whole years ago but i've **literally** never seen anyone mention this, like, at all, and it annoys me to no end.
I just finished binging all the seasons and the costumes in the last seasons were driving me crazy! I’m so glad to see this comment!!!! They were all pretty bad, except for maybe Dany’s whitish fur looks and some of the accent pieces (like the metal lions on Jamie’s armor). The first seasons wardrobes were amazing, the latter seasons were distractingly bad in most cases.
Interesting to finally hear some critiques of episodes 1 and 2, the latter episodes were so egregiously bad that everyone forgot about the former. And the fact that the master assassin Ayra is screaming whilst lurching to the Night King has been something I've been waiting for someone else to notice. Looking forward to part 2.
I agree with you for most parts but Jon really didn’t need to bend the knee. And the boat scene after Jon returns back to east watch, Dany says we’ll stop the night king together then Jon decided to bend the knee after hearing that. If he didn’t say that then he’ll still be king and they’ll be working together for a common goal.
Yea that was more to show the audience that he'd fallen in love with her lol. Which when you think about it is worse.
Rheya Ruiz The writing for him was great in seasons 4&5 as in 5 he becomes lord commander and has to make tough decisions and was good at leading. In Battle of bastards and after they make his character out to be a terrible battle commander and showing no great strategic thought like Robb Stark did. whilst in the books Jons politically savvy, excellent at battle strategy and good at leading but is an average fighter, those traits make him fit to be a great king if he’s ever resurrected.
I gotta give it up to Djawadi for his work during all of the series, including S8. BTW, the only bad part about this video is having to wait for the other two installments. #firstworldproblems
Euron called his crew muted because he cut their tongues after he became crazy in the Jade Sea. Hence naming his ship the Silence.
Yeah but they then have people on the ship yelling
@@wisdommanari6701 you can still make noise without your tongue. You just can’t talk. Your tongue isn’t where your voice comes from, your vocal chords are responsible for that
@@glowhoo9226 One of them yelled "Turn around!" in S8... you can't say that without a tongue.
@@angelspartanessheavenden2674 Was that his ships crew, or just a soldier? It's ONLY the sailors on the Silence that are mutes.
@@Jane-oz7pp Copium
Ending that hypothetical Jon monologue after the army of the dead passes with “muh queen” was classic! Worth a sub! 🤣🤣🤣
Am I late to the party? This video is already so good, I love it, but I’ll make a few points as I go:
• Moat Calin is easy to pass through from the North, but impossible to retake from the South. I don’t know if it’s actually a good idea to go there to then suffer to return home. Also, the expedition would be so massive - they would have to move Lords, Ladies and their servants to the South in the middle of Winter - not worth it. However, it would make perfect sense if they had more time and could’ve stayed on the Riverlands, on the Vale or even on the Westerlands (remember Tyrion’s conquest of Casterly Rock?).
• Your idea of a commotion starting when Jaime arrives is a much better scene than what we’ve got. Daenerys would be furious,
• Your impression of Jon is the best
• I never thought the Night King could simply... you know... avoid the place with the dragons... gather EVEN MORE army... and comeback
• Funny you mention Dany questioning if Rhaegar would have r*ped Lyanna. I’m rereading AGOT, and she remembers him “dying for the woman he loved”... it’s literally in her first chapter.
• “Don’t settle for crap just because it looks good” relationship advices with moneymedia.
• Also, remember that the Long Night was supposed to last GENERATIONS
Winter was only a thing for stannis. Its been a cool Autumn ever sense.
Just an Addition to your Theon change,
Theon on the ground bleeding, almost dead, sees a shadow behind a tree. Recognizes the opportunity decides to make one last jump at the Night King, maybe throws something to distract him. Theon smirks at the Night King, Arya comes from behind to deliver the Final Blow.
The END, I would like my Emmy now seeing as they give it to anyone these days.
Or have him die the way Waymar Royce did in the books, fighting the Night King until his weapon breaks, thus giving Arya time to sneak up and attack
I still think the night king should’ve been killed by either bran sacrificing himself, or by Jon fighting him. Arya should’ve been the one to kill Cersei.
'Personification of Google' absolutely killed me xD
Update on Part 2 (10/30): It's been 10 days since I filed my copyright disputes and HBO still haven't responded. They have another 20 days and after that the claims get automatically removed. I'm hoping they'll respond before then because the video is finished and I really want to release it. But worst case scenario it'll be available to watch in 20 days.
Yay! thanks so much for investing your time into making these game of thrones videos, I really enjoy them.
Great news!
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Awesome!
Literally have been checking every day since 10/2 to see if its up and avail, until seeing your update messages. Appreciate you going above and beyond to handle it!
Some issues could have been solved with more time and creativity. Consider this:
Euron is elected king and rebuilts the Iron Fleet. His subjects are happy because he promises them plunder.
Then, he cuts put the tongues of his crew to ensure silent attacks. Now, every family on the Iron Islands has some involuntary mute and resent him. But they can't see a way of resisting him.
Until he sails off and Yara comes back.
That is an interesting thought. Thank you for it.
The line by Jon about bending the knee even makes less sense when Dany promised to help them even before he bent the knee. That whole scene on the boat in Beyond the Wall makes absolutely zero sense now and was completely pointless.
It was to show they'd fallen in love with each other lmao
Less than a minute in and you say "[others] are acting as though the writing issues and quality drop for GoT is a new thing has really made me want to talk about seasons 5-7" and I'm saying out-loud "THANK YOU, ME TOO". Subscribed for those!
@Other Makes sense that you felt that way and it worked out in the end. There are certainly people who didn't see the decline though, and that seems to be most people - S7 has like 93% on Rotten Tomatoes which is just absurd given the quality of the writing was about on par with that of S8, especially in comparison to earlier seasons. I'm genuinely glad you enjoyed it longer than I did while also appreciating there was a drop in quality though.
I am happy for the people enjoyed it, good for them. What annoys me (among many other things) is I believe D&D's attitude to fan service, particularly fan servicing the large bulk of fans who don't actually care all that much (which is a fine position to hold in television btw, don't get me wrong!) is partly what led to a decrease in quality and change in tone and themes etc etc. The blame still lies at the feet of D&D (for many other reasons as well), but their view fo how to handle fan reactions dictated the diection of their show which I think is a great mistake. This approach to storytelling where the majority of fans' attitude influence the writers seems detrimental to the minority of more serious and deeply invested fans that are still making and watching these videos a year on, and people who actually care for the source material and the lore of this fictional world.
I would say for this type of fan, including myself, other people's approval of some of the butchering of the story in S5-7, particularly S7, was heartbreaking because it was always setting up where the show led (a goodies vs baddies Hollywood action drama where the heroes can't die and always prevail) and that was always going to be a road to disappointment in the end. I was actually relieved when people didn't like S8 because I knew for a while something bad was coming and I liked that people finally realised what was happening!
For example in S7... People were celebrating things like Arya's massacre of the Frey's, which in the world set up in S1-4 would have major major consequences for the entire kingdom and potentially for Arya personally, and for House Stark as she stupidly revealed it was her that did it to a witness she knowingly and intentionally spared (which breaks all of the Faceless Men lore on sooo many levels of course, but that was already ruined in S6), and her actions were super immoral and unjust! But the audience were led to like it, and like it they did. Thus one more step was taken towards Arya being this unearned badass that the fans all cheer for and blindly adore, a step towards her killing the Night King in the writers' hopes for the same unearned cheering (the Night King who himself is a show invention for the embodiment of evil which is a fantasy trope early GoT and asoiaf tried to subvert!). On so many levels did the show mess it up and yet the fans loved it which is an endorsement for more of the same. And that was all before the intro theme of S7E1!!
I have loads of examples but this one is enough to express my disappointment.
What is funny is that on watching S8 I actually got some enjoyment from it. I enjoy critical reviews and I knew I was going to get many! I liked that other people finally didn't like it as well, cos I was always the outsider in discussions for not liking what they were doing. And I'd already decided the books are my canon so I didn't care too much what happened in this fan fiction show. The show would have lost me long ago, it was my appreciation for the books that kept me mildly interested but not bothered enough to be properly upset with where it ended up like it hit some people. I watched most of it without feeling much where some poor unsuspecting people were devastated.
@Other This is a good point. Perhaps that's why no one ended up liking S8!
Even if they only made something they would enjoy, I believe they were influenced by the fans in some places though. A few examples... Cleganebowl wasn't their idea and didn't serve anything in the plot, Jaime and Brienne getting together despite the ending they wanted for Jaime (and the nonsensical virgin shaming of an unmarried noble woman in a feudalistic society - it's not like it's literally expected of her!), Arya and Gendry, especially the proposal which breaks established Westerosi customs. Gendry didn't even need to come back at all in the first place! The fans just liked him so he came back in a contrived way, and they made a rowing joke to reference the memes for good measure.
i could be wrong about their influence and motives but it sure seems fanservicy to me!
@Other Ah sorry! No more examples from me!
The decline started right out of the gate with the first episode of season 5. There were some truly stupid and nonsensical plotlines in each season from thereon in, the worst of which for me was Arya's stabbing and miraculous recovery, followed by that stupid pop-up Frey mass murder scene. The turned Arya from a character I loved into an overpowered, smug annoyance. But there was enough to keep my interest in the story. It all hinged on the wrapping up of the big plotlines and character arcs and they failed in almost all of them. It killed my interest in ever watching the show again. The final episode of season 8 actually made me angry at how much they were willing to insult the audience's intelligence. Unbearable, stupid shit.
about a year late to the "shitting on GoT" party, but a welcomed addition to the dumpster fire, nonetheless
Lol the "shitting on GoT" party is going to be ongoing for many more years to come. : )
@@tidepride86 ShittingOnGoTFest2021 is here! And we're all invited!!! It may get cancelled if it clashes with ReleaseDateForWindsOfWinterFest, but the tickets will just transfer across.
I always love watching things like this, because I’m trying to learn to write. They’re actually incredibly helpful! I’ve learned a lot about he difference between subverting expectations in order to cast off tired tropes, and subverting expectations for 10 second shock value from looking at how Game of Thrones went down.
Season 8 can be considered a lesson in "How Not To Conclude Your Story" and "How Not To Write Your Story" in general.
Sam is not a capable fighter, he killed the white walker and fin by luck. The onion knight admitted when he defended Jon's dead body that he has no hand to hand combat skill.
Sam killed a Thenn, not fin
Part 2 will be released this month (September). Sorry it's taken so long, I'm working on it, I've just had a lot of IRL stuff get in the way. But I'll make sure I find the time to finish and release it this month. And hopefully Part 3 will come quicker.
I hope it was worth the wait!
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Love your videos dude, since I stumble upon the little finger video I have been waiting for you to upload your next video I hope you get to working on that walking dead video cause I loved that show before it turned into a dumpster fire
Sorry for my bad English
I found you because of this video and I’m subscribing
When are you going to release the second part ? By the way your critique is great ! The last two seasons are just bad writing. Dany should seat on the throne or die protecting J Snow while his fight with N K . Looking Forward to watch the second part ! Thank you 🙏
Greyworm is from Astapor not Mereen.. Great Video though...
''Why does the series punish me for thinking?'' THANK YOU
I like how the actors know their characters better than D&D at this point
On the note of hiding in the Crypt: The Starks made this big deal about their knowledge of the old ways, of their faith in the old gods. They even made a point of saying they even followed old, long lost customs of burying their dead with an iron sword. So I (foolishly apparently) thought the story was going to use this as a payoff and have the Night King try and resurrect the dead only to realise that the dead of Winterfell are beyond him. Guess the writers just forgot about that though
Me too. I imagined that the dead Starks would rise and defend the crypts.
@@Nukefandango I would have *shat*
I've watched a lot of critiques of GoT, but this is in my opinion the best one, well done!
I'm not quite sure if Cersei waiting out the whole thing is really all that smart. It's practically an all in gamble. If the North wins, she wins. If the North loses, the army of the dead comes at her, with tens of thousands of soldiers additional to what they originally had as well as 3 dragons. Doesn't sound thought out thoroughly to me.
This is many months late, but I’m glad I saw this comment. This nitpick bothered me and I was surprised I couldn’t find anybody in the comments addressing it till I saw this.
While I agree with most of the points in the video, Cersei staying south is an absolutely risky choice. The odds of the North winning is low, and if they lose, how does that benefit Cersei? This isn’t a typical real life war. Your opponent doesn’t need sleep, food, water, rest...and when they kill an opponent, their numbers grow, not diminish.
Letting two enemies weaken each other and then swooping in is a good strategy in real life, but that doesn’t work if one opponent gets stronger by beating the other side.
Well we all know Cersei is a complete idiot.
In the books it's said that the hand of one of the zombies had rotten on their way to kings landing. Zombies are still made of flesh and are reanimated by magic. They are not alive so they would probably simply rot and decay on their way to the warmer south
@@MEGAAGUMAN Simple fix for that, just get fresh meat in the south. Bazinga
@@MEGAAGUMAN Not exactly. That hand rotted because it had been separated from the body for so long(which is why the intact wight made the entire journey south to be seen by a Cersei, during warm time). Moreover, the Night King does what? He brings the Winter!(north or south).
“Should be Jon though really, shouldn’t it?” Maisy’s bf hits the nail on the head right there...
I’m only about 25 minutes in and this is already the best critique I’ve seen. And I’ve seen them all
I know i've commented a couple times already but; "Can you walk a bit faster Love?" Made me shoot tea out my nose
1:00:30 "valar morghulis" and "valar dohaeris" are both High Valyrian phrases. The phrases are commonly used by the Faceless Men, but the words are not Braavosi. Grey Worm is in an army trained by people who speak High Valyrian and now commanded by a Queen who speaks High Valyrian. Red Priests also speak High Valyrian consistently. When Mel greats Thoros, they say the words to eachother. This interaction isn't illogical at all.
Is it just me or did the first four seasons look the most visually impressive?
i agree i dont know what they did in the later seasons but it just looks weird
Yes. From 5 onwards it just got darker and darker
Yeah they went the Harry Potter route and made everything dark in the later seasons
A lot more houses, colors, sigils, etc., yes. It was mostly fun watching a lot of various development from family to family, region to region.
Update (10/17): Part 2 isn't quite finished but it's nearly there. Should only be a few more days.
Sorry for the delay. Lots of IRL stuff has got in the way. Hopefully it'll be worth the wait.
Sounds great
Thanks for telling us. I was going crazy checking youtube everyday waiting for part 2 lol
Been checking daily for part 2 lol. Your videos are great!
Take your time! Thanks for the content!
So would part 2 come out this week?
Actually, I love the alternate ending of Beric killing the Night King. That would have been awesome to see.
I really just hope that in the books (if they’re ever finished) Jon will be revealed to be a Dayne and he has to kill Daenerys with Dawn, when he pulls the sword out, it ignites and reveals him to be Azhor Ahai
"There will come a day after a long summer when the stars bleed and the cold breath of darkness falls heavy on the world. In this dread hour a warrior shall draw from the fire a burning sword. And that sword shall be Lightbringer, the Red Sword of Heroes, and he who clasps it shall be Azor Ahai come again, and the darkness shall flee before him."
They had legendary knights, undead kings, fire mage, dragons, assassins, barbarians, frost zombies, wargs... a goddamn monk with a valerian steel sword. This had such epic potential.
This is literally the first video I watched on your channel and I have to say it was amazing. Can't wait for part 2 and 3
The North just sort of forgot to kneel.
This was really good, man! I thought when D&D said that they wanted to make the show for NFL Players and Mothers. Which is weird because: A) This is insinuating that Mothers and NFL players are incapable of enjoying a deeply woven and intricate story full of mystery and suspense. (Two oddly specific markets to be talking down to.) Or B) They realized they couldn't possibly hold up to GRRM's talent, so they gave up and tried to go in a new direction using whatever scribbling GRRM left on the cocktail napkin, and their "natural" abilities. Hell, they were even going to update the title screen. This was Game of Thrones 2.0. This wasn't your grandpappy's Game of Thrones. This was newer, bluer, and awful. It took this once brilliant show and condemned it to forgotten history.
But we still have the books at least...which we re read patiently as we wait for The Winds of Winter...for the last 9 years...We're never going to figure out what Littlefinger was up to, were we?
Very impressed with your research, critique, and presentation. Not to mention, your humor and sarcasm is just epic. Playing Marvin Gaye’s “what’s going on” while questioning the night king’s motivations was priceless. Thoroughly enjoyed this critique and can’t wait to view the other parts. Thanks for the great content. No brainer subscribe!
The scene where Jorah tells Dany about Tyrion’s “intelligence” and how he’s a competent hand is the most insulting in the show.
Not a single line is consistent with what we know about the characters (including Tyrion) or accurately portrayed the events of the show we’ve seen.
Jorah always should’ve been Dany’s hand. He was the wise cunning voice in her ear through her toughest moments. This entire army and kingdom started with two people: a 14 year old Daenerys with no idea about politics or ruling and exiled Ser Jorah Mormont.
With his guidance you now have the greatest army in Westeros but instead you trust a dwarf of the enemy house who hasn’t made a single good decision under your rule?
We have all been waiting long, but it was well worth the wait. Thanks Moneymedia! Can't wait for part 2 and 3.
Another important question about the Night King left unanswered - why did he leave a mark on Bran after touching him in one of Brans visions, yet Arya has no mark on her neck?
from past two years i thought i had spent enough time picking all the inconsistencies and ideocracies of the final season and justified my disappointment of this show, until i watched this video and realized i had just scratched the surface of all the lazy writing in this season, and this video just explains half of the season. MY GOD!!!
Facts I'm still here years later learning even more inconsistencies when I though I knew them all. I totally forgot that valyrian steel was special because it was forged in dragonfire but actual dragonfire did nothing to the night king! The writing on this show wasn't just lazy it ended up feeling insulting to the characters, the story, the lore and most of all, the viewers intelligence. It's not that hard to write a single episode consistently but they didn't do that once the whole of season 8. An "it was all a dream" ending would've been lazy writing, this was just an "idgaf anymore" attitude to the show and all the actors, the crew, the fans etc who spent a decade with this show.
Love how all of the Dothraki horses are just chill with flames suddenly erupting right above their heads.
42:45 LMAO @ your Jon Snow voice it's dead on, and you're 100% right can't believe I never thought of that Jon always knew his priorities and would've worked towards aiding Umber instead of pissing about on a dragon lol
"We are then enchanted by Podrick's singing as we see a montage of soldiers prepping for the battle in stupid ways" had me rolling😂😂
I always thought that while season 8 is trash at least episodes 1 and 2 were good, now you've helped me realise that they're not really, both pretty much set-up filler episodes at best, literally anything that happened of importance has some level of inconsistency apart from like 3 scenes; the "plan" to kill the Night King probably the worst scene of all lol...but like u said still absolute miles better than the other 4 episodes can't wait to see you rip episodes 4 and 5 lol this was great looking forward to part 2 :)
God dam a lot of work went into this. Best season 8 review I've seen by far and there are really good ones out there!
We don’t have time for this, when you did that comparison I could not stop laughing. Great content, looking forward to next edition.
Jon Snow fuses with Bernie Sanders for the speech about winter being here 🙏
"That's what the walls are for!!!"
For some reason that really cracked me up.
I was absolutely gutted after watching season 8 . Over a year later and I’m still mad/upset at it . How on earth could they rush the ending when it was previously a slow build up . Also , how could it not be Jon snow to kill the night king ! Well there is no way I will ever watch another tv show based on this series . What on earth happened with Bran as well ? Going from not being able to be a lord of anything to being the king !!
so... how are you liking house of the dragon???
"Muh queen"
I DuN wAnTiT
He doesn't want her.
@@Changeling9au no he doesn't want the throne
Brienne being declared 'A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms' is also a nod to the GRRM Dunk and Egg book of that same name because Brienne is likely a descendant of Ser Duncan the Tall. Unfortunately I don't think we know the entire knighting speech - Dunk walked away part way through the knighting in The Hedge Knight so we never heard the end of it. I imagine there is a charge in the name of each of the Seven (or possibly six with the exclusion of the Stranger).
I've come up with an idea of what we are missing: "In the name of the Smith I charge you to be strong. In the name of the Crone I charge you to seek truth and wisdom. In the name of the Stranger I charge you to respect the fallen. Do you, Money of House Media, take these charges and swear to live by them with honour now and forever?" [Upon accepting:] "Arise Ser Money, knight of Mediatown."
I made all this up myself just now for fun so feel free to improve on it, but I did some research to try and make it sound believable. I read the wiki pages for The Faith, Knights and even Marriage which led me to extracts from The Hedge Knight, A Storm of Swords and A Dance with Dragons to look for suitable wordings. I wanted honour mentioned, I wanted an oath to be taken, I wanted it to sound religious and to reference all seven gods appropriately. Now I understand (even more than I already did) how it takes GRRM so long to write!
It seems as though the copyright issues have finally been resolved. Assuming Part 2 doesn't get hit with any new ones, I will be making it public at 12 noon ET. I'll post the link to it here. Hope you enjoy it.
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!! thanks for working so hard on these videos, i really enjoy them
Is it wrong that I'm looking forward to part 2 more than I looked forward to season 8? 🤔
Stumbling upon this video, already loving it, then hearing MauLer's voice? Priceless
I love the long videos. This is my favorite type of thing to watch & listen to while I’m working.