What happens when Baptists and Catholics meet?
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- Hey everyone! In this video, I interview my friend Caleb Dyer, host of the "Transparent Theology" podcast @Transparent.Theology (open.spotify.com/show/0lC96Uz...)
We talk about the technical intersection of Baptist and Catholic theology as well as some practical differences and concerns. If you'd like to see more dialogue, let us know in the comments!
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00:00:00 Introduction
00:02:16 Baptist Theology
00:15:49 Baptist Perception of Catholics
00:19:03 Church Governance
00:29:40 Misconceptions About Baptists
00:37:11 Misconceptions About Catholics
00:48:39 Protestant vs. Catholic Debates
00:54:57 Sacraments & Unity with Christ
01:04:45 Why Caleb isn't Catholic
Hey brother, just wanted to say I love your vids and appreciate what you do. I've spent the last few years of my life as a reformed Baptist. I was about as Calvinist as one could be. Over the past 6-8 months God has been leading me home to the church that Christ established. It has been a long, difficult journey for my family with many ups and downs. My wife and I plan to start RCIA this fall. Your videos have helped and encouraged me. Glory to Jesus Christ!
Mine was a 4 year journey into the Church, 2 times through RCIA. I was pretty stubborn lol I now participate as a sponsor & pray for all those discerning the Church, especially Baptists. 😊🙏❤️
@@TrixRN What an adventure! Were you also a reformed Baptist?
I think it was more free will Baptist because I don’t remember any Calvinist leanings. I also spent my 1st 18 years nominally as Church of the Nazarene.
@@noahharris6333 I meant to tag you in my answer. lol
@@TrixRNthat's very interesting. I'm not sure I know much about The Church of the Nazarene! I see them everywhere around where I live but have never done the research into them.
Thanks for the shoutout, gentlemen!
You bet! Thanks for giving this video a listen.
Mary and the Pope were my reasons, too. And I still struggle with some of the devotions. But there are some things I struggled with the lack of Mary in Protestant churches because I’m a woman and it seemed off that God only gave us a man to model the Christian life on and not a woman, too. Jesus is the only way to salvation, but both Jesus and Mary teach us how to love God. I find it frustrating you can’t even talk lovingly about Mary in many Protestant denominations. And that’s a huge problem.
Our Blessed Mother is the role model for women! I ask the Blessed Mother to teach me how to see and how to love women in my life! She has changed the way I look and appreciate all women!
Mary is the new Eve. I don’t know why Protestant Churches don’t honor our heavenly Mother! It’s sad!!!
No matter how much we love Mary. We will never love her more than Jesus does! Don’t be afraid of embracing our Mother. She loves us so very much. And leads us to her Son! GOD BLESS 🙏🏻
The Blessed Mother literally raised Jesus. His passion was very difficult for her bust still she always understood that Gods will above all things. She’s a great example for us to follow in our attempt to imitate Christ is this life.
I can only say that the Baptist faith never "took" with me. I really, really tried to believe. Now, I'm a happy, full engaged Catholic. Obviously, I wish Caleb the best in his search for truth.
You didn't just pray the prayer and feel it? I tried too. I then came to realize that my antipapist bigotry was silly. The rest was the work of the Spirit. Glory to God!
@@gnomeresearch1666 If you read The Gutenberg Martys. you will understand why there is a problem.
I guess your attraction to the Catholic Church was its RAPE AND SEXUALLY ASSAULT of tens of thousands of Children..then turned around and tryed to cover it up..right?
Wait what? Do you understand how to receive salvation?
@@gnomeresearch1666what is your method then. If you oppose can you propose the correct process and way to salvation please?
It seems to me that when Jesus said “this is my body” he said it in a manner far more clearly than “do this in remembrance of me”. He said “this is my body”, “my flesh is true food”, “unless you eat the flesh of the son of man you have no life in you”. He was actually far clearer on his true presence (a physical presence unless you want to argue Christs body is merely spiritual and fall into the heresy of docetism) than he was on the memorial portion of his commands.
You don’t repeat something so many times using different language unless you are trying to be very clear about what you mean.
Jesus was very clear so much so some thought it was cannibalism and were freaked out by what He said.... and they walked away from Jesus! What more evidence do people need? The Eucharist is the body, soul, and divinity of Christ...it is Him.
I like your comment "you don't repeat something so many times using different language (words) unless you are trying to be very clear about what you mean".
Yes, John Chapter 6 was where Jesus went from polite to more and more serious such that he didn't mind them going away. He even open thr door for his disciples to leave if they can't accept his teaching on eating his flesh and drinking his blood.
@@justthink8952So shocking that His disciples said “This saying is hard; who can accept it?” If the Eucharist was simply a metaphor for faith, the disciples of Christ would have no reason to say this.
@@jonathanrivero3424 To drive this down further. The Gospel of John is very consistent on explaining when Jesus is using metaphors to the audience. Usually by plainly stating what Jesus meant, or by tying in another event to coincide with Jesus' metaphor.
That does not happen in John 6. John 6 abruptly ends by Jesus talking about his foreshadowed betrayal, because this teaching is hard to accept.
This is the type of dialogue and conversation we need. No animosity just pure charity from both sides. We can agree to disagree on different topics but we just realize both sides believe in Christ and we need to fight alongside one another against the dark spiritual forces rather than against one another. Thank you gentlemen for this talk.
I love this style of discussion. I’m newly Catholic with a Protestant background and it reminds me so much of the conversations I have over a beer and a cigar with my Reformed family members. Just 2 friends bantering and challenging like bros, but with love and rawness that you don’t find in more “debate” or scripted type of video. Off the cuff, with knowledge behind it, but in no way manufactured or perfectly tailored. It’s quite refreshing, thank you guys!
49:26 jimmy akin essential got James white to admit to purgatory in their debate on justification. James white didn’t expect it, walked right into it
James White helped me in my conversion to Catholicism
As someone investigating RC. This video was awesome. Please do more dialogues like this 👍
May God bless and protect you, Ricky. 🙏🏼
I'm glad TH-cam suggested this to me. First time watcher; enjoyed this a lot!
Bro these guys feel like my good friends from youth group love this style of just talking rapid fire about things going on and not worrying about how it sounds just raw reaction 😂
Thank you gentlemen! This is what the world needs more of. Great fellowship to have a better understanding of one another! Thanks be to GOD!!
The problem with debate is both sides are trying to prove they are right! Not trying to have a better understanding of one another! It’s a competition!
This was great. I appreciate conversations over debates. I appreciated his articulation of the baptist faith. Also, sitting in on a congregational meeting where we need to cut costs, a person says "the pastor is clergy so he should welcome poverty" and then suggests cutting his salary in half and then we vote. That was wild.
Great talk fellas! Way to keep it light and respectful. 👍🏻
Love this conversation. 😊
That's the problem with Protestant denominations no coherent doctrine....but God is not the author of confusion. On a good note ...good respectful discussion between you all...good video. Thanks!
I don’t think that’s true universally of Protestants. Out of what I know, I’d say that’s true of baptists and Pentecostals and their blend of non-denominational evangelicalism, but Anglicans and Lutherans and Calvinists have striven for internal integrity. Calvinism, imo, has to work harder, but they are working for consistency.
This is not true at all. The Protestant movement was a back to the Bible movement
@@MeadeSkeltonMusic I know what Protestants CLAIM, but there’s some huge gaps that demonstrate that isn’t entirely true - beginning with removing books from the Bible that detract from their preferred theology (continued by Progressives).
If it were truly a back to the Bible movement, it would have preserved the books of the Septuagint, would believe Jesus in John 6, and would try harder to reconcile Mark 16:16 and 1 Peter 3:21. You would also stop taking 1 Timothy 2:5 out of context and would try to understand 1 Timothy 3:15. If it were truly back to the Bible, you would be reading scripture as a whole and not reading passages in tunnel vision. The Body of Christ is the Church. Not the Bible. The Bible is the fruit of the Holy Spirit through the Church.
Interesting comment. How do you attain salvation?
@@vinciblegaming6817how do you attain salvation? This will wrap up your beliefs as you have ventured into some different directions.
Just starting, but I have to say already I love the idea of his podcast!!! Bridging that gap is very crucial for the body of Christ. My priest is obviously a very VERY smart man. And keeps it deep when he preaches. But at the same time, he’s able to keep it relatable and applicable for any level listening. That’s a great quality for a teacher, and any Christian to have.
I remember looking into the baptised church once. And what turned me away was exactly that that there was no “truth”. The only firm thing they had was the believer’s baptism and everyone had to be rebaptised if they wanted to join. And even though I wasn’t against that fact at first, it didn’t take me a long reflection to understand my baptism was already valid.
Great video👏
What a great guy. Very charitable and good-natured and cool. Don't watch too many Protestant youtubers but I'll check him out
Brian holdsworths channel has a great interview with Barry Schwartz (I believe) a guy who worked on photographing the shroud of Turin
good dialogue
what was the music they censored? lol
Absolutely right, it is Authority that makes the difference!
And that goes back to the promises of Jesus. What convinced me was the question "When did God abandon His Church?", coupled with "If you love Jesus, you will love those He loves." And the Church is the Bride of Christ, His Beloved.
Why would I *not* want to be part of her?
God will bring Caleb to the complete faith as along as he is TRULY trying to do GOD'S WILL & LOVING HIM WITH ALL HIS HEART. 😊🙏🙏🙏
What is God’s will?
This guy just convinced himself why the Baptist church is in desperate need of a magisterium. He said I can believe and interpret what I want and he described it as a downfall. What they’re not instead of what they are. That’s like saying I’m not wearing a white blouse instead of saying I’m wearing a blue shirt in the affirmative. The lack of a coherent doctrine must be spiritually draining.
I would love to see such a debate structure in sola scriptura that is preceded by dialogues on underlying concepts - such as the body of Christ and the incarnation and unity in the church for the purpose of testifying to the unity of the Trinity and spreading the gospel. I think these are never touched on in sola scriptura debates because they are tangential, but I think they are foundational and there needs to be dialogue here.
This was most interesting experience for me, as sb who's always been a Christian catholic. Thank you, bro. There's some stuff I never knew that I never knew. You know what? Pls pray for me. Er. Pray that I control my emotions and patience better and that I'm not so stubborn about trivalities in my life. If that's ok? After all, if you're young in faith, I think your prayers are pure
1:19:13 precisely why you aught to become Catholic… attached is part of St Irenaeus’s work ‘against heresies’ book 3 chapter 3 part 1-3 (approximately 180AD)
It is within the power of all, therefore, in every Church, who may wish to see the truth, to contemplate clearly the tradition of the apostles manifested throughout the whole world; and we are in a position to reckon up those who were by the apostles instituted bishops in the Churches, and [to demonstrate] the succession of these men to our own times; those who neither taught nor knew of anything like what these [heretics] rave about. For if the apostles had known hidden mysteries, which they were in the habit of imparting to the perfect apart and privily from the rest, they would have delivered them especially to those to whom they were also committing the Churches themselves. For they were desirous that these men should be very perfect and blameless in all things, whom also they were leaving behind as their successors, delivering up their own place of government to these men; which men, if they discharged their functions honestly, would be a great boon [to the Church], but if they should fall away, the direst calamity.
2. Since, however, it would be very tedious, in such a volume as this, to reckon up the successions of all the Churches, we do put to confusion all those who, in whatever manner, whether by an evil self-pleasing, by vainglory, or by blindness and perverse opinion, assemble in unauthorized meetings; [we do this, I say,] by indicating that tradition derived from the apostles, of the very great, the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also [by pointing out] the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops. For it is a matter of necessity that every Church should agree with this Church, on account of its preeminent authority [potiorem principalitatem].
The blessed apostles, then, having founded and built up the Church, committed into the hands of Linus the office of the episcopate. Of this Linus, Paul makes mention in the Epistles to Timothy. To him succeeded Anacletus; and after him, in the third place from the apostles, Clement was allotted the bishopric. This man, as he had seen the blessed apostles, and had been conversant with them, might be said to have the preaching of the apostles still echoing [in his ears], and their traditions before his eyes. Nor was he alone [in this], for there were many still remaining who had received instructions from the apostles. In the time of this Clement, no small dissension having occurred among the brethren at Corinth, the Church in Rome dispatched a most powerful letter to the Corinthians, exhorting them to peace, renewing their faith, and declaring the tradition which it had lately received from the apostles, proclaiming the one God, omnipotent, the Maker of heaven and earth, the Creator of man, who brought on the deluge, and called Abraham, who led the people from the land of Egypt, spoke with Moses, set forth the law, sent the prophets, and who has prepared fire for the devil and his angels. From this document, whosoever chooses to do so, may learn that He, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, was preached by the Churches, and may also understand the apostolic tradition of the Church, since this Epistle is of older date than these men who are now propagating falsehood, and who conjure into existence another god beyond the Creator and the Maker of all existing things. To this Clement there succeeded Evaristus. Alexander followed Evaristus; then, sixth from the apostles, Sixtus was appointed; after him, Telephorus, who was gloriously martyred; then Hyginus; after him, Pius; then after him, Anicetus. Soter having succeeded Anicetus, Eleutherius does now, in the twelfth place from the apostles, hold the inheritance of the episcopate. In this order, and by this succession, the ecclesiastical tradition from the apostles, and the preaching of the truth, have come down to us. And this is most abundant proof that there is one and the same vivifying faith, which has been preserved in the Church from the apostles until now, and handed down in truth.
Caleb, very nice. But, who's in charge?
I been study Catholic theology for 4 months to see if I need my family to join the Catholic Church. I have been a Baptist all my life but just recently I feel like this is not what the early church worship. I have been reading and watching videos about how the Father worship way back then. I need more time to study but I am getting there. Why did Pope Francis said it was OK to bless same sex marriage? The bible is very clear that same sex marriage is SIN!! The only other trouble for me is to believe Mother Mary was sinless. I need some help
The Catholic church still teaches homosexuality is a sin and practicing it is even considered a mortal sin. meaning an unrepentant homosexual would go to hell. Even the newest document the Vatican released on human dignity "Dignitas Infinita" condemns homosexuality a sbeing undignifying to a person who practice such.
Fiducia Supplicans, the document taht allows for blessing gay couples does not indicate homosexuality is okay. It's npt blessing the behavior of such people, but the people themselves, so that they might hopefully return to church and repent one day. Jesus evn said we should bless our enemies and he also didn't mean we should bless the practice of persecuting or killing Christians, but rather the persons doinbg so, so they might repent one day by the love of God.
Have you read Fiducia Supplicans? Does it say gay union is not a sin? Read again and listen to Trent, Blue Collar and Reason and Theology they explain it, even if you re not convinced you can hear the other side. Father Mark Goring said it was already being done the Pope just gave autorisation and limits to how it should be done. Homosexuality is not the only SIN you know, liers, gluton, etc won t get into Heaven either. Open up your heart and mind and comeback Home trusting Jesus to safeguard His Church. God bless you and guide you. ✝️🙏🏽
@matthewbrown9027 you know the pope just said it was ok to bless Sinners ( of homos and other non licit unions) but NOT the SIN. Otherwise, as all of us are sinners of some sort, we would not have the right to be blessed either. The goal is for that Grace to help them get out of their sin.
The Pope never said to bless same-sex marriage nor same-sex unions.
The Pope approved a spontaneous, non-liturgical, pastoral blessing for same-sex couples just as currently there is no requirement to ask for a blessing from a priest.
The blessing must be for the people, not their union.
This blessing should never be in such a way that it seems the church approves such unions or that it looks as the sacrament of marriage.
Any person can ask a priest for a blessing. That is tradition in Catholic countries.
In Latin America, prostitutes on the streets ask any passing priest for a blessing.
And the priest usually blessed the person, not their illicit job.
As stated before, there is no requirement for a priest's blessing.
Any killer can go to the priest and ask for a blessing. This happens a lot when priests visit jails. And that does not mean the church endorses killing to whatever the person is in jail for. The killer will get a blessing as a person, not as a killer
What the gay couple, the prostitute and the killer cannot do is go to the rectory and schedule
an official blessing by the priest officially wearing priestly vestments in the church using a proper liturgical blessing.
That is, there should never be an official Church recognition of their status as good and bless it as good.
The latter is a big no in the church.
In summary:
Blessings in spontaneous, pastoral street encounters-yes. Officially approved blessing with all the bells and smells, cameras all over, and using the Church building--NO!
Dude. It’s false doctrine. If you understand the Bible you will easily know
1:17:03 I think what your about to point out that within the protection/guidance of the Holy Spirit in the development of doctrines it is necessary that the church be protected from error in the doctrinal/dogmatic arena. Of course there’s a particular way this is laid out between the bishop of Rome, and the College of Bishops, etc.
You’re doing a great job. There’s Lots I need to learn when it comes to dialoguing.
@5:20
That's pretty twisted doctrine right there
Seems like they think the way to worship God is a democracy.
58:05 sacraments by nature are instituted by Christ. Marriage for example in Matthew 19:6
1:17:51 the easiest examples of this are probably the council of Niceae, or the council of Jerusalem
Watch the recent jimmy akin vs white on sola scriptura.
Keep going. He'll find the way. The data points to Catholicism.
Give me some data and info. How do you attain salvation. Let’s hear it my friend. Speak into the mic 🎤
No sound?
That's so weird! For some reason, my intro music got cut off haha.
1:14:08 We would agree that not everything was explicitly revealed by Jesus during his life on earth. That’s why the council of Jerusalem took place. They didn’t know if circumcision was necessary for salvation. And the Holy Spirit guided the church in its decision. No new revelation took place. This is an actual scriptural example of the episcopal authority of the church in action.
6:38 amnesis-> it’s being made present
1:13:45 the obvious problem here is that some, if not most, of the apostles were illiterate. And also that Jesus never said to write anything down. He did however found a church, and vest his authority with the apostles after they left. You can also see this authority passed on after their deaths, such as when Paul writes to Timothy.
I’d be interested to know what he thinks about the typology argument for the papacy. The obvious (once you actually notice it) parallels between the giving of ‘the keys to the kingdom of heaven’ and the ‘the keys to the house of David’ to Peter and Haliakim (probably spelled incorrectly) respectively
I think what he really means, is Jesus’s teaching.
But hypothetically, (and actually according scripture itself) there is much that Jesus said and did a lot of things that are not contained in the scripture. There’s a lot of expounding to do in this area in terms of history, etc.
The part I mean to be critical of specifically is that Jesus taught the apostles how to understand scripture. Which is true of the Old Testament, but the New Testament (which it seems he is referring to) wasn’t written until later on in the timeline, and wasn’t compiled and defined as scripture until later after that
People should remember that the apostles didn't spread the word by handing out bibles, because the new testament did not exist yet. They also didn't tell people to expect the teachings would soon be coming out in book form (pre-order your copy now)
@@Klee99zeno 😂 it’s hard for some to imagine life before the printing press. Every copy had to be made by hand, it took forever, only very rich private individuals could have copies. So you’d hear scripture in the liturgy.
Pray has another meaning. A polite request! For example sir I pray you can help me!
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What do you mean by church? Roman Catholic, Coptic Christian , Ethiopian Church, Easter Orthodox, Jewish Christian. So are you on a personal walk with God or looking for a religion?
James not 1 John for the sacrament of the sick.
This guy is not too far from Rome
The only misconception I have ever had about the Baptist church was that I thought John the Baptist started the Baptist church lol.
1:21:56 Bishop of Rome, Baby. 😎 Successor of Peter
The question I would ask both men is why aren't both of you ELCA Lutheran? Luther was the original reformer of Catholicism.
1. Because the ELCA is not a good representative of the Lutheran Tradition
2. The Lutheran Tradition is a distortion of the faith - not a reform of it. Many things Luther taught are in direct contradiction of the faith of the Church throughout the ages.
3. The Catholic Church is the one true Church
@@thecatechumen Your answer is wrong for several reasons:
1. The ELCA IS the best representative of the Lutheran Tradition.
2. The Lutheran Tradition is NOT a distortion of the faith. Where there are differences, you fail to realize that in 1517, many practices of Catholicism were contrary to the faith. Or perhaps you support the practice of the Pope in selling indulgences?
3. Pope Leo 2's ex-communication of Martin Luther was in error. As a possible descendant of Luther, I would not be alive today if supporters of the Pope had their way and executed Luther. If Luther was so bad, then why does the Catholic Songbook include a copy of Luther's hymn, A Mighty Fortress is Our God?
@@stevekohl5351ELCA is a terrible representative of Lutheranism. Luther and the other evangelical Catholic reformers would be against a lot of what the ELCA teaches. Every one of them would call ELCA heretics. Conducting homosexual marriages, allowing abortions, women pastors, and pastors dressing as drag queens are pretty anti Lutheran and anti scripture. Essentially the ELCA are Lutheran in name only.
I don't think it's a red herring at all to bring up treasury of merit and Marian dogmas etc....the context involved Mr. Akin appealing to apostolic tradition so it's fair to rebut with these are not apostolic tradition and we should therefore hold Sufficiency of Scripture or Sola Scriptura
I wonder, are the Scriptures the supreme authority?
Catholics practice 5th century Christianity. It’s a fact. When they say "keep tradition" this is in actuality what they mean. Christianity does exist before the 5th century and there are those who practice it today, even when Catholics of the past executed those who would dare try to return to the original Christian faith.
Larry, you could not b more wrong. It is very obvious you have not studied the Church Fathers & early Church apologists who were always trying to protect the Faithful ag heresy and condemning them. Nearly all the heresys the Apostles and their chosen ordained successors had to condemn are repeated in one form or another by the thousands of different Protestant assemblies. Read the full Didache and u see the Holy Mass, Baptism sanctifies and wash’s away sin, cleanse yourself of sin by confession and absolution before u receive the Eucharist. Didache is now dated to 50AD. Read St. Ignatious of Antioch’s 7 Epistles( between 102-107AD) He knew and was ordained by St Peter and St Paul and was very close to St. John, the Apostle Jesus loved. If you do not become a Catholic after reading all 7 Epistles you may have a hardened heart, scales over ur eyes. But if you need more read St Justin Martyr writings to Trypho the Jew, or his other work on Apologetics ( 140AD), Read St. Iranaeus of Lyon(170-180AD) on his great works, read St.Polycarp martyr and friend of St John Apostle who taught-mentored Polycarp…and St Iranaeus was mentored by Polycarp. Read St Cyril, Origen, Many others who were mentored by those who were mentored by the Apostles. Every doctrine of faith that we teach today were already being taught way before the 5th century. While some doctrines taught from beginning everywhere and always, some were naturally developed more, never changed, as they gained further understanding… but you’ll find it all there . Remember, the Catholic Church , we see it called that in the 1st century as it had already spread everywhere, but they were in hiding always trying to escape the eyes of the Jews who regularly persecuted them and report them to Roman authorities…. It was not even legal to practice our faith until 313AD & the Edict of Milan, so almost 300 yrs of brutal persecution. It did not become the declared Religion of the Roman Empire until 380 AD under Emperor Theodosious. And the official Bible was declared in 397AD… It was books of Gospel that the saints made meticulous list of criteria to ensure perfection, authenticity. The OT they used the oldest, most widely used and accepted by Apostles and Jews in the 1st century, The Septuagint. Written in Greek for Library of Alexandria in around 250BC by 70 of the top Jewish scholars of the day doing the translation perfectly. By the way, the Septuagint also has the 7 books the Prots removed bc by the 16th -17th century Jews rewrote their own Bible and around 8 to 9 th century AD and hated the Catholic eastern and western church, always did , and didn’t want to do same thing as Catholics, always tried to stick it to Christian’s, just read Book of Acts. They didn’t care that it was their own forefathers that wrote the Septuagint.
I appreciate you young men getting together to discuss important subjects like eternal life! As a fellow Baptist, I agree with much of what Caleb said. We mostly want to go back to worship how it was in the early church (earlier than when Mariology and prayers to saints in heaven was incorporated). Like John Calvin said in his reply to Cardinal Sadoleto when he told Calvin to come back to the Catholic church, "Our agreement with antiquity is far closer than yours." Meaning, get rid of these new doctrines you created and want us to uphold and get back to a simpler form of worship.
You called it a revolution, but you should try to recognize this conspicuous historical truth: the Reformers did not think the Reformation was primarily a revolution for new, modern ideas, but a retrieval and renewal of the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic church.
The early church believed in mariology and intercessary prayer this is why ive never cared for baptists of any variaty yalls truth is based off ignorance and false narratives i appreciate these dudes talking as well tho because it gives a chance for more of ur misguided people to be informed i pray u accept the truth one day as well sooner rather than later
Baptists: baptism is just an outward symbol of your faith, but it’s important enough to name our denomination after… ok
They are called Baptist because they believe Baptism is only for believers by immersion. It’s what set them apart, so the name serves its purpose.
@@Doulos.Romans8.34 again, it’s ironic that they are dogmatic about what they think is an outward symbol. So do they think that without immersion you aren’t actually baptized?
Baptism being an outward symbol doesn’t negate it being important. The 1689 London Baptist confession says the following on baptism
“Immersion, or dipping of the person in water, is necessary to the due administration of this ordinance”.
However not every Baptist holds to the 1689 LBCF and there are exceptions that believe paedobaptism is improper but valid.
utraquism
No one cares….. literally no one
Why then leave comment if you don't care?
Caleb is 100% right about the Mary stuff. That is the insurmountable deal breaker for me. And the fact that the church condones Marian devotion proves it’s not the one true church.
Are you saying being to devoted to someone takes away from Jesus?
If you wanna disprove the Mary stuff, you gotta disprove the idea that the Catholic Church has teaching authority on par with Scripture. A lot of time when Protestants try to use scripture to prove sola scriptura, they appeal to passages that very much point to the scriptura part but not so much the sola part
I get why that can be a stumbling block to someone. However, that topic is really predicated on more overarching questions of authority and the preservation of the Christian faith as I mentioned in the video.
Once you understand the Mary “stuff” it’s not at all contrary to the faith. The initial Marian doctrines were required in the early church, particularly the Council of Ephesus, to explain the true humanity of Christ & fight heresies about the nature of Christ.
There are many Protestants who converted even with reservations about the Marian Dogmas. They found that over time, by trusting the church and experiencing the life of faith, that their reservations disappeared. I am a cradle Catholic and have some issues with aspects of the Dogmas, however I know the church is right by faith through Christ, and so, I trust and follow it.
To understand the authority of the Church, one must first recognize that Christ established a visible, single body of believers. Then, one simply needs to examine passages such as 1 Timothy 3:15.