The Phil Donahue Show - Mulattoes who pass for white (FULL EPISODE)
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- Mulattoe people who pass for white talk about their experiences on the Phil Donahue Show.
"I like how the audience seemed to accept Rock Newman's statement of how he punches people in the face for being racist. They laughed at first, but then must've thought about the times when they personally made racist comments about blacks to other whites and figured that could've been them getting punched in the face, then they started to get angry."
DaBigSun Thank you for posting this. Mary Walker is my mother and I was an only child. I remember very clearly how controversial her appearance on this show was to our extended family. It provides a great tribute to my mother and her memory and struggle.
arizona monopoly I learned a lot from your mom while watching this clip. I would be proud to be her daughter :) She made some great points and told the truth.
Thank you she was very outspoken :)
arizona monopoly You say was. Is she still alive?
Lee McLaurin No, unfortunately she passed away in February of 1995 at the age of 45 :(
She was a kidney transplant recipient and had complications due to the very powerful anti rejection medication she took. I think that is why she lived so boldy, because she knew every day was precious.
almost 30 years later and nothing has changed
Nothing cant change cause ALL their culture is based on RACISM.
@@bekreto Exactly. They know no other way to be. So moving forward it is black empowerment or perish.
I grew up in the 60's. Things have very MUCH changed. Thank God!!
Yes it has, we are talking about it more🦋 there are cameras 🎥 everywhere !!!!! So people can’t lie like they used to🤣🤣🤣
Is that what the media tells you every night.
We had a Girl in High School that was even Whiter than her. And in 1972 we all Graduated from High School. 7 Years later I saw her at a Bar I was working at as a Waiter. She was in tears saying that she couldn't take it anymore. On her Job she passed for White and all day long Whites talked constantly about Blacks in hateful ways. She said she was going up North to try to get away from it. I never saw her again.
I hope she's happy now
That was a racist community you lived and were raised in
Yes, white people say racist things in front of people they think are white all the time!!
That's weird, I'm white in a highly white community and whites here don't talk about blacks. Why would they?
@@americanabulldog2465 why did you feel the need to say that?
Enlightening show, I wish we still had conversations like this today on talk shows instead of celebrity worship
I grew up on phil
@@cinnamonsunshine6331 me too
Reality shows. Trash.
We need a talk show host who is not afraid to discuss these topics
Agreed 👍🏾and Reality Toxic Drama from wantabe Actors television has lowered standers period..smh
" I don't have a dual identity, I have two parents and both of them are light skinned Blacks. And I know my history well enough, I don't have an identity problem. I am Black, my consciousness is Black, my concerns are about black issues, and about black people. I have no problem with being black, I'm not multi racial, I'm not mixed, I'm Black. Black and Black makes Black." Very well said.
darrenandbutterfly that was the dumbest shit I ever heard!
afe garba In case your slow fuckin ass missed it, it's an actual quote from one of the guests in the show, not mine.
***** The Hell are you talking about? Try reading again genius and notice that what I wrote was an actual quote; those words are not mine, although I do agree with her stance. As far as "pretending" goes, I actually am mixed race, so there's no need to "pretend" on my end... Is that long winded little article you typed up supposed to mean something to me? Let me save you some time, I don't care. Don't bother responding.
darrenandbutterfly
You a black.
It is the black people -- not the mixed people
-- who are notorious for swearing at all times.
You are a black.
It is the mixed people -- not the black people
-- who love the information in the link.
You are a black.
***** No, I'm actually Mexican and Black. And for the record, people of every race swear. Try to break out of that colonized mindset you're currently dwelling in by associating everything ignorant and negative with Black people. You sound like an Uncle Rukus- assuming you're black
Watching this in 2021. Nothing has changed. I worked for a white
attorney who was married to a black attorney. He had his wedding
pictures and pictures of their two children all over his office just so
his colleagues could keep their racist comments to themselves
Exactly, 2021, and nothing has changed, never will unfortunately
@Rose Parker ridiculous I hope you don't have zny
Nothing has changed at all
It is crazy to think about double consciousness that has got to be madness...
And why are African Americans always expected to educate someone else?
I'm over here screaming at my laptop like this just aired yesterday! lol Wheewweeee Mr.Donahue was ahead of his time! AND these guests are so phenomenal for advocating and bringing their personal stories and vulnerabilities to this conversation.
He sure was. This was excellent. I wanted to jump into the screen lolol
All this nonsense isn't ahead of the time. It is passed from generation to generation. Watch some shows from the 1970s, such as Good Times and The Jeffersons. The verbiage is the same too.
I agree this was a great episode.
I'm old enough to have remembered when this segment aired. Nothing has changed. Colorism is still an issue. As a fair-skinned Black woman in her 7th decade, I feel sorry for those who continue to go through the issues that are raised.
When Rock talked about black folks lacking the institutional power to be racist, he was 100% accurate in that definition. Prejudiced yes, racist no. As a white person, that white audience heard nothing and their fragility was strong. I loved the old Donahue shows. He was way ahead of his time. Thank you for posting this.
That’s the literal definition of racism that got muddied up by cultural consciousness through television.
This was very informative & I plan on sending it out to all my friends.
No.. I totally DISAGREE.. Blacks can totally be racist.
Very true 👏👏👏
That comment went right over their heads.
ITS SO SCARY!!! THAT THIS WAS SHOT IN 1990 an EVERYTHING IS STILL EXTREMELY RELAVENT
Frazier Out West with It and everything is still the same
I absolutely remember seeing this episode
And 7 years later it’s gotten worse
White people are nothing if not consistent when it comes to their racism 👿 It’s never going away.
Racism ain't going nowhere
I don't understand why they have to call u "MILITANT" if ur proud of being black
@@califtom Of course you would say that you, racist prick.
@@marymcdaniel8999 Yeah man that's how they do
@@califtom Asshole
Because being proudly black a political statement. goes against everything america thought she was and for that you are militant. Just think, there are laws for being black, how to act, how to be treated, where you can live. Going against that is going against the u.s. political system. But if standing up for who I am makes me militant, someone better bring me a tank.
Flip it. A person who's proud to be white is called all sorts of nastier things than militant.
This audience literally confirmed everything the panel were saying 🤦🏽♂️
💯
And they see nothing wrong with it, smh
They literally confirmed the panelists' views with their lack of understanding of the difference systemic racism and prejudice. 🤦🏽♀️
It is beyond revolting how that such people can choose when to be willfully IGNORANT and when not to! that on itself is extremely racialism, their ancestors literally invented racism, and they have passed the baton to them n they have willingly and happily embraced, & accepted the baton with an oath to perpetually continue this hellish institution.
Example: can someone, plz explain to me why, Mexican-Americans, Cuban-American, Asian-Americans, South Asian-Americans are ALL called as such..... And for some wonderful reason, EURO-AMERICANS DON'T EXIST AT ALL😮😊!!! You won't expect the creators of racism to single themselves out, do ya?!?
Your race tinted glasses confirm all your preconceiv3d notions 🤷
5hey were generally pretty mild.
That audience wasn’t ready for this panel.
Phil Donahue was a man before his time. He struggles with what language to use but he wants to be appropriate. I love that he is not only exploring this issue but allows it to be explored from the perspective of the guests and is learning from them
I had never heard of him before this but I looked him up and he's still alive. I wasn't born yet in 1990 but he seems ahead of his time, in terms of mainstream America
@@DarthFurie Donahue was good, but this was the norm for talk shows in the 80's and 90's. Real talk, about real issues with real people. I miss those times, although we still have the same issues in 2021. Unfortunately, it'll never change.
Phil Donahue was a man of his time. He held biases , indoctrinations, and ignorance which shows while asking questions and addressing the panelists. Now Rock Newman on the other hand is a man before his time.
I always said the same thing, he was extremely with it, on most issues, and treated his guests w respect.
@@tysonb3568 Phil Donahue worked for Oprah Winfrey. she owned his show.
This whole panel is to be applauded for their truth about racism and prejudice.
Tommy Curry "The Man Not"
Esther Vilar "The Manipulated Man"
Warren Farrell "The Myth of Male Power"
Amos Wilson "Issues of Manhood"
Chinweizu Ibekwe "Anatomy of Female Power"
Claudia Bernhardt "Women on the couch"
Andey Randead "Great Female Con"
Nora Vincent "Self Made Man"
Matthew Fitzgerlad "Sexploitation"
Herb Goldberg "The hazard of being male"
Simon Sheppard "Sex and power"
That's not truth. Blacks can be BOTH prejudice AND racist. A black person who is wealthy and influential has more privlege than a dirt poor white person.
Even a black person that has more money then a white person has no control over a system that run by white people
Sissy Ray Self that’s not true because you can’t tell someones wealth by looking at them. Many rich black people have been discriminated against.
@@sissyrayself7508 I’d disagree.
She looks black though!? How did she ever pass as white? She’s a beautiful black woman
She clearly has some African descent. Her belief that she could successfully "pass" was clearly delusional.
I can relate to this as a mixed child of a Native American mother and White father. I identify as Native American because my Dad's family rejected us and I grew up with my mother's family. I am one of the lighter family members and people wonder why I don't "pass." What is wrong with being something other than white?
The audience is VERY typical...they don't understand because they don't have to go through it.
You sound pretty typical to me..pity party MUCH?
I agree they sound typical and dont get it
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@@jmmmenelik4784 How can the audience "get it" if they are not black or mixed?
You’re exactly right!
This brother is not playing with them. Everyone is sooo well-spoken. I miss these times so much.
This brother brought the truth. An oppressed race cannot be “racist.”
I am here because of that movie “Passing.” It’s discussed so well.
@@veggielover100 Same!
Right
What if the shoe was on the other foot ?
I don't understand how the first lady could pass as white. She is clearly black.
Exactly
My Grandfather was Mulatto, and he never was ashamed period. Be grateful for who you are, I am glad that she came out eventually.
It's not about ashamed, we could have been harassed or killed in the past if we came out as mulatto
I miss this era of talk shows, when people got to talk and be open on issues. Not just discuss the tabloids and trivial fads and tip toe around topics and play 30 commercials in between.
No one is yelling, cursing, booing. Everyone gets a quiet chance to speak and let their opinions be heard whether everyone agrees on it or not. Its It's very simple no matter how intense the topic can be. I like that
RubeeRoja agree & shows are sensitive
RubeeRoja yep tv is so dumb down now -
I remember when I was in high school my teacher said the same thing he said Donahue had serious topics and discussions and springer was trash and would he mad when he saw black folks on there acting crazy and airing their dirty laundry
Podcast have now filled this void
I love how honest and assertive this panel was. They did not temper their words or their feelings to accommodate the audience. Phil Donahue was admirable for the topics he presented.
Crazy what substance Phil was able to sneak into daytime broadcast television!
True
They didn't temper because they didn't HAVE to... No tone police back then.
Because right or wrong adults were adults and kids were kids.
That's how we talked back then. Straight forward.
No tiptoeing. No listing off pronouns before the conversation even starts.
Great times. 😊
Gen-Xer... 👍
I didn’t think I was going to watch this entire video but I did. I can recall watching part of this as a child. Thanks for this video
Here we are in 2023 and nothing has changed.
She's right about people wanting to be everything but Black, and colorism in the Black community is a plague that will never go away. People gravitate to my son because he is light with curly hair, but because my daughter is more brown or caramel, they act like she is invisible and they are standing right next to each other. It makes me angry.
Anon Black Man & Light Skin Motivation so all black women are met with violence, but you only care about the light skin ones?
Anon Black Man & Light Skin Motivation what about the issues of light skin men?
Anon Black Man & Light Skin Motivation Or, are you a light skin man yourself? Ppl are already aware of the bullying of light skin women bc that’s what they tell us all the time. I don’t know the stories of light skin men though. But, as far as having an issue with your exclusive protection; yes, I have an issue with the exclusion of dsbw from your protection. I am a dsbw, I have never treated lsbw unfairly, meanly, aggressively, etc. But, yes I have been treated unfairly by them, as well as, all other complexions of bw. It really didn’t matter their skin tone, they all treated me horribly, adults too. I was raised in an affluent neighborhood to affluent black parents. Bc of this, I was perceived to have a certain level of “privilege” over them. I guess my family’s income trumped skin tone privilege, bc I was bullied by everyone. No one came to my aid, even my own mother felt the same way about me and my siblings, even though she’s the one that gave us the opportunities we have. I definitely could have used someone like you back in the day so that I didn’t feel “other”. But of course no one would take up for someone like me who is privileged. Today, I know I’m privileged and I never looked at black ppl that didn’t have everything I had as being in the wrong for feeling that way. I know it’s bc the predicament that our ethnic group is in. So you can have an agenda to cape for lsbw, but don’t ever in your life think that dsbw are the evil ones and lsbw are the angels. Just like I don’t consider blacks in poverty as evil.
Anon Black Man & Light Skin Motivation why are lsw singled out for their abusive behavior?! I’m sorry, but that’s what your doing to dsw. Your singling dsw out for their abusive behavior of lsw. I’m confused. In my response I didn’t single them out; I INCLUDED them in my experience of abuse in the black community. You, as a dsbm, aren’t doing anything revolutionary by trying to validate ls. I think it’s clear that BM only validate ls and big booties. This video shows that most of the ppl on the panel have a black father and most of the mixed women have dsbm as husbands; so it is VERY clear that you have been validating ls for a long time. I do however, respect your need to express your experiences. But, I just wonder if I made a page talking about how poor black ppl picked on me, terrorized me, and bullied me; how they alienated from the black community, would that be something that would benefit the black community?
Anon Black Man & Light Skin Motivation are you talking to me? You didn’t @ me, but I’ll respond anyways. You will not be silenced, I think that is clear. You will continue to fight for your love(I’m assuming you love and/or are married to a biracial woman, or would like to be). I also know that black men like to stick up for ppl they feel need it; so again, if that is were you think your efforts will be most effective, then I understand. But for you saying that mixed ppl can’t have self love and praise themselves, I don’t get that. When the whole community praises light skin and European features. There are pages all over social media dedicated to showing the beauty of ppl who are mixed with black. You also never addressed anything I had to say about my experience with the black community. In telling you my experience I want you to know that making a page telling poor blacks that they are violent and aggressive towards me would be cathartic but it would NOT solve any problems. Why? Bc my abuse and the abuse of lsw are a SYMPTOM of racism, classism, and colorism, not the cause. And nothing can be solved with treating a symptom. So if there is an issue brought up on social media about the struggles of poor and economically disenfranchised black ppl, and I come in to say how these ppl treated me horribly, it’s like ok, so how does that help the discussion of blacks in poverty? While my experiences are my truth I still know that would be insensitive to the real issue of poverty among my ppl!
The discussion of white privilege is still just as relevant now in 2021 as it was in 1990. POWERFULLY honest, raw, & real panel discussion. Thanks for posting this!
If so, then just WHY are most of my black friends MORE successful than I am?
Some people do not think white privilege exists.
I’m white and I was never privileged just worked hard some people are blessed with being from the right families whatever colour or the right connections whether they work hard or harder and the rest of us know we did an honest day’s work and don’t owe anybody whatever our colour. When we get to heaven nobody will care not even us.
@@tinarennett9041 if people feel the need to deny their racial ancestry that says something about who has value
@@elouise5593 that not how white privilege works. White privilege doesn't mean you'll automatically be successful in life it just means that certain things won't affect you at all or as much because your white.
The entire panel was everything! 🔥I loved how they were hella assertive and didn’t hold their tongue about their opinions and experiences. ❤️❤️🙌🏽 We need more shows like this today. Sadly in 2023 nothing has changed and this episode was 33 years ago. 😐 Tbh I don’t see mullattoes as black they are biracial or mixed in my opinion. 🤷🏽♀️
That makes sense but they still face racism because they are not white.
I agree. How is it passing if one of their parents is white? Aren't they just as much white as they are black. Half their DNA is white.
Donahue covered the hard topics that people didn't want to cover and he didn't mind asking questions and even correcting himself. He wasn't perfect and he needed to do better about his audience but he had some awesome shows.
Am I the only one that loves watching these old talk shows just for the nostalgic feeling, the hair styles the makeup the clothes the tv sets are so 80s 90s I love it 😍
Luvin the 80s & 90s!!!
Old ??
This video was only 8 years ago.
Although must admit appears to be more like 80s/90s,
I agree about the hairstyles etc.. its always great to see.
I love Nostalgia!!
Its so interesting.
I very very often wish I could go back to the 80s.
It’s all great!!! I was too young to care about any of this at the time. Good T.V. 😃
@@lolitarouge the video may have been posted 8 years ago but this is definitely 80s/90s tv era
@@sbella6719You are kidding me!! By repeating what I already have said!! 🙄😖😅
I appreciate that Mary Walker felt the pain of dark skin women and understood that we didn't hate her for being light-skinned but that her skin color did causes pain and she hurt with us
You mean Kathleen Cross and yes! I felt that and I can relate.
@@nicoleruffin9419right lol I was confused also when she said Mary
Mrs Walker is very passionate and I’m so proud of her.
Phenomenal panel discussion and still relevant in 2021.
The
Majority of the audience heard nothing!They immediately felt attacked. You can tell by their comments. No concern, only judgment and ridicule. Few had actual questions....Most likely they felt convicted.
Lady Jane I noticed they instantly rejected Rocks comments on racism versus predjudice. He said it exactly right but they are ignorant and all took it wrong without even hearing his explanation. Funny cause Donahue knew instantly what he was saying. And it’s 2020 and ppl still don’t know the difference between racism a system of oppression and predjudice which is ones own perspective and opinions in the form of a judgement or mischaracterization or stereotype.
@@elliottwilliams9221 I agree
Well said
They're white so...
He was too proud and his logic was too on point for them to accept, and for the Jewish woman, Mrs. it is absolutely not the same yes you’re people were persecuted mainly for around what 10-20 years but our systematic racism, persecution was instituted and maintained for 100’s of years
I am loving this panel. Baby they are on point and they were handling that audience.
They handled themselves very well, I loved every response, to Rock I agreed 💯 why is he considered the problem for his response you can’t tell people how to respond when you’re being ignorant, why be more upset with a punch than the reason for the punch
@@coreejacobs4780 every response was on point. I wish the audience/people would get it through their head and stop acting like racism isn’t real just because they are lucky to not have to experience it.
The black guy who looks like Orson Welles, really gets it and is very impressive
@@TrangPakbaby are you speaking Rock Newman? Yes, I’ve watched a few of his shows here on TH-cam.
I love these types of debates where we speak with intelligence and not out of emotions. I
Thank you for a mullato panel that expressed many things I could never put into words because someone “knew” more about being biracial then me whose lived it for over 60 yrs! You had to be there.
Thanks for uploading. I remember this exact episode. My grandmother loved watching Donahue. I was was 10 or 11 when this episode aired but I was still too young to understand the complexities of the topic.
Fast forward to 2021, this is still relevant.
The first lady gave him the answers he was not wasn't ready for. She kept it real.
The first two are racist as hell
This is an interesting topic. To me, the first woman resembles Tina Knowles Lawson, Beyoncé's mother.
Lol, she does a little, and Tina Knowles is Creole so that makes sense.
ceole is still black and she is only a quarter. that family would rather give their blackness another lable than to say what they are.
Asha Andriana you clearly don't know what Creole actually really means. Do even know the ethnicity that makes up "Creole"? Please have a seat and don't start this conversation about ethnicity when you obviously don't know nothing you're talking about
Asha Andriana Being "Creole" doesn't make u an expert on the subject. Many ppl are black and don't know shit about their history. Many ppl were born in this country and immigrants know more about American culture than the ones born and raised here so, again, u being "creole" doesn't mean shit to me.
Now as for ur comment about sending me documentaries, family photos, DNA blood tests and hair samples is a waste of time. You cannot educate me on anything that I'd want to read or listen to by u for the simple fact that, instead of asking me, what I meant by what I said, u choose to dispell, insult and than thrust ur pseudo-intellecutal muscles as if that was suppose get u somewhere. Now, idk if this fight u want to have is really about Creoles, Beyonce's funny looking mother or u but either way, I'll pass. Hope ur candidate won & gn.
Exactly she wants to distance herself from being "just black" : creole sounds so much more appealing and exotic SMH
"List of white privileges"
Wow. Still relevant in 2021.
I am constantly ask if I am Italian, the thought of passing, never crossed my mind. I was raised to be proud of exactly who I am.
I forgot how real a lot of these old talk shows were back in the day.
Jerry Springer turned them into a sham.
Yes we're Authinic.Peace
And now we have reality tv🙄
I Screamed Like I was in CHURRRRCH when Ma’am in blue said “BLACK AND BLACK MAKES BLACK!” ✊🏽🖤
Right and I hope you don't think lightskins are not black if you do your a racist
OK!!??
No one is black, it's a misnomer
Two Black people who have 2 Black Parents make a racially black child. To think otherwise you must acknowledge that all mixed race children are not either race then. You can not make acceptions to choose one over the other, it's simply in your DNA 🧬 to be both.
@@amberg.l.o.w641 3 racial groups which one are you? Or are we all mixed, which can not be necessary truth.
The fact that I'm watching this in 2022 and this is STILL relevant is mindblowing...
I’m viewing this in march of 2022 and we still have prejudice in the United States. I’ve been treated very poor and let go at a financial group located in Wellesley Ma, being the only person of color their. One manager had the nerve to ask me if I know my black family line, she was proud to say her family line was Italian and could be traced back to the 15th century (and she was always reading chicken soup for the soul) while raking me over the coals and I had to go into that place daily with a smile on my face. If all the companies that kept them a 4 star business knew how loosely their contributions were being handled money would be taken out so quickly the market wouldn’t never recover!
The fact that the first woman said, “there was racism in 1990 whether people want to believe it or not…”
Wow.
True, that's 💯
There will always be racism until humans have their eyes and ears gouged out
Still is now as it was then, from both sides.
@@tias.6675From both sides what? Definitely isn’t racism,African Americans can be prejudice but not racist.
Sasha
Yes blacks can be racist
For example there are blacks that are conservative and can vote for racist laws against other racial groups. Think about Latinos or “banning Muslims” under trump.
Blacks can still participate in racism.
As a mom and a black woman, it brought tears to my eyes when Kathleen was talking about how her daughter wished God didn't make her brown.
My girlfriend's granddaughter (6yrs old) told us that her teacher told her that God loves "White". I told her that God loves "all" colors. I told her that God/Jesus had nappy hair - Daniel 7 and that HE had brown skin Rev 1. Later, she asked me about my favorite color and I told her "brown". I should have said, "brown and black". I will correct that when the opportunity presents itself again.
It's critical that people talk to their children about what they are learning in school. We assume that people are going to teach children the "TRUTH". This assumption is "FALSE". It's our responsibility to teach our children the Truth about who we are and everything else.
Black and Brown are two different people.Black was mentioned in the Bible,not brown.Kathaleen isn't that pro black
And we will continue to remind our princesses how important their skin is!!!❤️❤️❤️
@@azulcocoa411 absolutely my mama is lighter than me and she always embraced me and my sister’s brown skin and tells us how beautiful we are and I’m so grateful for that
@@deborahtucker4900 ❤👏🏼🔥
I hated being called a "mulatto" as a child. I'm a daughter of Almighty God! His creations are beautiful. Free will tarnishes that beauty. Period!!!
I guess in the States it has a negative connotation. In Spanish speaking countries its just a word and even celebrates the diversity. I agree though that it can get annoying, my child isn't even 2 yet she's mixed and I'm tired of all the questions.
Mary started the show really calm... but then at 35:03 started yelling I started feeling her pain! She was getting fed up with the ignorance and presumptuous questions. Mary Walker - God bless you for telling your story for standing your ground and standing up to spread the message about racism, black acceptance, and black excellence! We love you.❤
The short hair mixed lady knows her stuff.
Her name is Kathleen Cross
@@josij7639 She is my daughters best friends mother . I know Kathleen very well and she is AMAZING. A BEAUTIFUL, SELF ASSURED BLACK WOMAN who is PROUD TO BE BLACK!!!!!!!! YOU GO GIRL!!!!!!!!!!
@@territaylor9096 This conversation is amazing! It shows how racist whites were for absolutely no reason. It's utterly ridiculous!
The black lady with short hair.
Ms. Cross' comment about the danger of raising a mixed child with unicorn kumbaya ideology hit home for me - my parents were an interracial Black and White couple that made some attempt at that for a couple years and then in 1977 a fellow 1st grade classmate told me that my parents couldn't be married because they were Black and White - 10 years after Loving v. VA (my parents married in 1967). The kicker is her parents were Jewish and Catholic and they lived in Hollis and we lived in Queens Village (neighborhoods in NYC). This video triggered me because it sounded like a diary of so much of my life. Like the 3 of the women, I married a very dark skinned man - we have a range of complected children, 2 of whom people always incorrectly swear cannot be full brothers and my lighter daughter being iced out by dark skin girls at school; my brown-skinned son worrying about if he's brown on beige - my light-skinned 8yo comfortable being beige but yelling at people if they call him White - this is 31 years after this video - I gotta lay down....
I kept wanting someone to make the point that it was "white people who created the racial categories to begin with" Racism is historically their creation....
That is not true. Racism exists in every culture. There are blacks all over the world that don't like dark skinned blacks or dark skinned that don't like light skinned. Same for Hispanics and Asians and Natives. Every culture has had slaves for one reason or another. Evil exists in every culture.
Im afraid to say but this is just a human problem that will not go away , we can only leearn to respect evryone and being cautious how we talk to people .
Give you an example .
In South africa the script is turn .
Go check it out.
So happy this showed up my recommendations. Donahue's panel was on point with all their statements, every member of this panel seemed prescient and on point with what they were saying about being black. The audience really wasn't prepared for their hard truths and seemed shock that these black people who could pass wasn't willing to do so. Donahue should be applauded for bringing this to the masses 30 years ago.
Watching this in 2022. I definitely miss shows like this. Thank you for uploading it.
@16:00 Rock Newman is spot on, and he persisted against a room of boos. If you had asked me in middle school if black people could be racist, I'd have said absolutely, but guess what - I grew up and learned a few things. Prejudice isn't the same as institutional racism. Thank you Mr. Newman. Hopefully this audience grew up and learned a few things.
I'm mixed just like him and I totally disagree. I'm also a woman and bristle at the idea that women can't be sexist, which many people with this line of thought also push. I don't make allowances for hate or discrimination of any kind, and nobody gets a pass, regardless of their identity
@@DarthFurie sis why are you changing the narrative again? Seems what @cowslane1 pointed out is that as a child she agreed that black people could be racist( hateful). As an adult reality hit because she was then obviously exposed to the “systematic/ institution” that floods black children’s young minds with negative thoughts about themselves. Images were heavily purposely projected of all things of darker hues as bad, ( which we know are lies because the darkest soil, greenest grass, richest colored fruit all offer the greatest nutritional value) . Question, did schools teach you that you’re only qualified as a mammy or erase your royal history and hide truths so they can pin your beginning and best contribution on earth as serving white masters ? Ask yourself how easily can you in entering that head space, refrain from hating yourself after awhile? The systems in place used their power to abuse black people through numbers( on every front)and created a minority /majority complex. They constantly enforced the divisive tactics while most of us constantly fought to bridge the gap! ! Etc etc etc , now emotional abuse by someone can be healed, oppressing the same “ is incurable if the ones with power to make unjust laws and project imbalanced biases” persist in their arrogant desire to be superior! In that, you’ve superseded emotion! Ask God to grant you an identity switch with “ black hued” people anywhere on the earth and enter their experience, that’ll be the best evidence for you that speaks to the distinction I’m pointing out! Give it a try, ask to walk that mile in the convoluted shoes America made for us! I choose to design my own footwear, with my customized make I rise above the pre- made standards!
Racism is prejudice plus the power to disenfranchise an entire group people. Black people have NEVER had that power. That's the difference. Systemic racism is woven into the foundation of this country by the "founding fathers" who were white. Many were also slave owners .
@@jaiwooden2007 Sis, anybody can be racist just as anyone can be prejudiced. They are two different things based on the very definition. However, everyone is prejudiced to some extent.
I watch Rock Newman’s channel all the time th-cam.com/video/ys9O97M63EQ/w-d-xo.html
All of the guests on this panel are BRILLIANT! ✨ The accuracy & their ability to check the ignorance of the audience at every turn is truly profound, especially for a time period where most tried to openly dismiss the reality of white privilege. ✅
most of them on the panel, seem a little disturbed by the life circumstance some of it. its like a deep anger. still many seem to be handling this dualism fairly well. However, audience seems very intelligent and not ignorant in the least. In fact unlike most audience members who speak, the panelist who fixes his interaction concern is through physical assault. He also says that a person who is black could not be inherently (display?) racism. Incredibly ignorant thing to say. Much ignorance there unfortunately :/
@@oppressednolonger1497 Blacks can be racist as well and can unfortunately despise/hate another person or people because of their race. However, as a whole they do not have the power to act on it. The problem with some privilege white people is that they get offended when victims of racism talks about it. This is ignorant because some white people want to block out the fact that it happened. That is why they don't want to teach black history in the school system. We are aware that not all Whites treated Blacks badly, but they all benefited from slavery. Yet, they do not want Blacks to benefit from their hard work from the aftermath of slavery. The audience was insensitive and offensive and perhaps ignorant to the facts of the plight of Black people by the hands of the Europeans. I don't understand why Jewish people wants to compare themselves or the holocaust that took place in Germany with slavery here in the USA. The Jewish people receive reparations, but have a problem with blacks being treated fairly. Yet check the white box with regard to their race. Many whites label blacks as inhuman, lazy, less than while stealing their music, culture and history. Don't mention police brutality, continue discrimination that still goes on today. People must have their heads in the sand if they don't realize that Blacks are still dealing with racism.
The panel checked the hell out of them.😏
@@oppressednolonger1497Get a damn grip of yourself the panel doesn't have a problem the audience did. No one should ever have to navigate through hate 😏 and you are an ignorant man.😏
@@oppressednolonger1497one can be intelligent but ignorant on certain subjects. The panelist you're speaking of said he had that physical altercation but he also mentioned that he had to learn he can't walk through life with his fists balled. Also blacks can be prejudice, but not racist, especially back when this was aired. Blacks don't have any never had the power to be racist.
My mother was white and my father is black. I've always identified as black. I'm 38 years old and it took me almost as long to embrace my natural hair and accept colorism within my own community was not personal but a systemic mind set caused by racism. Healing from the self hatred projected onto me by darker black folks my whole life was huge. And solidifying all black hair is BEAUTIFUL AND GOOD, whenever the topic comes up.
I still choose, as I always have, to uplift my brothers, and especially, my sisters. ❤️
36:54 This. Hit. Me. Deep. And it was healing to hear another sister, who could relate, voice this for the first time. Feeling not only my pain, but feeling and understanding the pain of my "skin folk". 😢
Ps. I wonder if anyone has spilled the tea and gave the name of the 90's actress that was mentioned as passing (interviewed for the book). 😲 Where is she now? Is she still passing?
I thought exactly the same thing - who's the actress? 😆 she's prob 'come out'.. because these days it's seen as dope to be a bit exotic.
The First Lady shown looks black how’d she pass for white?
I agree.
Not black. More latina from Puerto Rico
And the second woman looks italian
And the third woman looks moluccas
she looks mixed. no monoracial black women looks like her
Second lady was right on. Looks white but truly of the black culture.
No she is white. Her phenotype is white
@@kamiyahpowell4458 she is mixed race but identifies culturally as black. She is fully aware of her phenotype
She’s mixed/biracial and should identify as being biracial. I wouldn’t want my child to just identify with only 1 race when she’s mixed with black and white.
@@shanicesm6208 good thing you are not her
@@shanicesm6208 It’s easy to say that as a young person from the vantage point of 2021. This was filmed in 1990 at a time when there really was no space for a so-called “Biracial Cultural Identity”. One could be mixed but that didn’t negate one’s political Blackness and thus people understood that to be Black was more than skin deep. Which is why people wouldn’t leave Mariah alone throughout the 90’s until she publicly claimed her Blackness.
Blackness, specifically in America and U.K. is a culture and context born out of slavery. Over time the term has become synonymous with darker skin, however the term “Black” exists both around and separate to dark skin, hence there are places outside of the Western Hemisphere where dark skinned people don’t even identify with the term. Descendants of the transatlantic slave trade whether dark, light, mixed or otherwise are custodians of the term Black™.
However, that’s not to say with the passage of time and the cultural cache that has developed around African American, Afro-Caribbean and African culture since the 90’s that there weren’t then and aren’t now a wide range of issues and abuses ranging from Blackfishing, to aesthetic and cultural appropriation and Lightskin Privilege all the way to individuals with a spit of African ancestry (or not *cough* Rachel Dolezal *cough*) co-opting opportunities meant for genuine Black people. For these reasons I understand the recent desire of darker skinned Black people to want to gate keep. The reality however, is you can’t.
The Diaspora has too many tentacles at this point. The only thing you can do is celebrate and uplift the type of Blackness you feel and needs more representation and uplifting, which we currently know to be Darker Skinned BIPOC Women and the LGBTQ+. Biracials who either look fully Black or were raised solely in the Black Community and thus know no difference despite their lighter skin are going to continue to identify as Black and that is their right to do so💯
"Black and Black Makes Black" Mary Walker. Love you!
Rella Dymond so what about "white and white makes you white"
But if the person had one white parent, he/she was not black but mixed race.
Morning Dew Dymond i’ve seen white make black and black make white it does happen🦋I love you ❤️
I do love her❤️🌹
@@lynnkk64 regardless if it's your parent or not if it's in your family tree then it's a toss up. U can come from a predominantly black family but if theres white in there somewhere the person can come out white or white looking hence the bullshit idea of lightskin black which isn't anything other than being mixed with white.
The sad part is the world makes you choose. You can’t live your life as you. I am biracial myself. I am Black and Asian. When I choose both it is unacceptable. I choose both bc I am a product of both. I want to acknowledge both of my parents bc that is what made ME.
I’m blasian as well but I’m mixed w a few other races I don’t mention but both my parents are black my dad is just mixed a mulatto so I love claiming my Asian side and black lol
The world is full of stupid people. Why on earth would you let them define you when they don't even understand what race is? That's like me letting an elementary school math student grade my work in Calculus.
@@JustMeandGod_How are you biracial but both your parents are black and then you go on to say you're mixed with other races?
@@feliznavidad6958 u didn’t read I never said I was biracial lmao
@@feliznavidad6958 so u don’t get to tell me who I am mixed race people always gotta have people question your identity it’s so funny
She just looks light skinned to me
The audience obviously did not care to hear anything the panel had to say.
The biracial girl in the blue, with short hair is on point....
Agreed! She taught and told them!
There was an article in Ebony magazine about her. If my memory is correct she was a school teacher in Portland or Seattle. Can't remember which city.
Yes!!!
Yes the girl in the blue is so on point. Nothing has changed and it still stays the same.
It was in Portland. The title of the article was "Trapped in the Body of a White Woman."
How did that women pass for white .she is very clearly black .
She was probably much lighter when younger. I had aunts who looked white when younger but were darker when older. Some people who pass avoid the sun to stay light. My family members did not
Watching this in 2024 and nothing has changed😢
In regards to the victim mentality. It’s crazy more than ever now
The lady that looks like Tina Knowles is not playing around lol!
Just like Tina
missmeonbs She sure does
I wonder if Beyonc'e is mixed.
yolanda francis her mother is creole descent but she is a black woman. No one is 100% anything, but I'm sure she's more than 50% African heritage.
yolanda francis
Fucking Duh !!!
She may not be mixed as in being Biracial but she’s mixed enough for it to be notable .
Donahue was always more serious and socially responsible than all the other talk show hosts including Oprah.
You would also like Sally Jessie Raphael.
@@temikalomas No, Sally told Apollonia on an interview that she looked like a Mullatto. Stupid thing to say.
@@Amalia-no7xt Wow
Stop being messy.
Wow the fact that it’s 2022 and this is still a factor 😔
"Did you wear an afro and dashiki? Or how did this blackness come out?" 😮 WHAT PHIL????
Rock Newman got the black man tone of voice. How the hell did people confuse him as being white?
Yep!
Russell Westbrook Fan since 2010
Because if your down south
Everyone sounds the same
From visual looks genuis
He has a southern pattern of speech.
Sounds like he could be from Louisiana
This was damn near the eighties and Americans still suffer from this racism in 2018. America isn't growing
2020
Oh please!
When we all die and go to heaven.
IT WILL BE ONE RACE..THE HUMAN RACE..
2021 and STILL Amerikkka!
Not growing at all.
Wow, it's been decades since I saw this episode! Thank you.
She looks black to me.
What's sad is this was in 1990 and we STILL FACE the same issues! We're STILL talking about the SAME thing in 2015! It's really a SHAME!
Exactly its 2016 and we gotten no where
2019...........CRAZY !!!!!!!!!!
It’s just plain Dumb to still have this same problem in 2019! People are just ignorant
2019. Still the same.
2019: same mess, different year
I miss serious talk shows that tackled hard hitting issues like this. Nowdays it's pathetic paternity and lie detector tests, wacky fake scenarios (Springer) or vacuous celebrity fluff to dumb down the masses (Ellen, Steve Harvey, etc)
Amen
Way to go Phil. . .Always a class act!
dreamboynyc2 Because most ppl want to act like those issues don't exist because when they do they have to take a good look at self and then they will have to do something which I believe most could care less -
Kayotic217 This was when tv was worth viewing - now it's mostly garbage -
dreamboynyc2 👏👏👏👏👏
Thank you for uploading this. ❤
Mixed people can choose who they chose to self identify as but ultimately they are mixed.
I agree
I am so proud of everyone on this panel! You have a lot of love, support & respect from the Indigenous Australian brothers and sisters!!
Always wondered if indigenous in Australia considered themselves black.
@@kareemcarter6006 I would consider them native people of Australia and not black unless they have ancestry connected to Africa which I don’t believe is true (I’m not sure)?
@@kmariamv but a lot of indigenous Australians consider themselves black and they call themselves black.
@@kareemcarter6006You will be surprised there are very light skin Aboriginal Australians that call themselves black. Indigenous Australians have always considered themselves indigenous and black 🖤
Indigenous Australians wish they were afro Australians "black" but they're not.
How the hell did (1st woman) she pass? I can see the African a mile a way in her,I can tell she's mixed,but definitely not white, 2nd woman I couldnt tell.
And she's not black either.
Now dont make me go H.A.M. on that ass with accredited Scientist,Biologist to reflect my claims,theres about a 0.1% difference in all racial human makeup,hence we are not the same,small percentage,BIG difference,otherwise there'd be white gold medalist sprinters.DaBigSun
Right. How the hell did SHE pass? She looks biracial lady mixed with African blood to me. She lived in a clueless neighborhood if they couldn't tell!
BIONIK DIKK LMAOOOOOOOO! Murked 'em.
BIONIK DIKK Probably looked much whiter as a girl, and lived in a white neighborhood. I think that was implied. If anything showed, like she said she hid it. Cutting her hair was an example but I'm sure there were more.
Imagine listening to this in 2022... Nothing has changed
Did you wear an afro? Did you wear a dishiki 😂😂🤣
My grandmother was passable, but she made it clear she was black. She's had moments where racist whites were candid with her about their disdain for segregation in the schools, thinking she was one of them
I love me some Phil Donahue. He was always frank and open with his guests. He always seemed like a practical, down to Earth dude.
Nobody like him before or since.
I liked Phil Donahue too, he was way better than Morton Downey Jr. Morton seemed bigoted and had a nasty persona
@@NovemberReigneDowney was a clown and fraud.
Phil was the best.
The biggest issue here is a white passing Black person and a white passing Mixed person is NOT the same thing. The nuances are HUGE.
One of his GREATest SHOW !!!!
Afro and dashiki? wth? I can't with America.
he said that to get under her skin, and the rest of "black America. what I don't understand is, why the "blacks" in the audience didn't get up and leave
calmingwaters81 yes i agree the host was a condescending dick the whole time, straight up going on commercial break when the black people speak.
backto1960 I picked that BS racist stereotype up myself Phill said smh.
backto1960 oh dont act like u ain't about that all the sudden when a white man says it but when the movie black panther came out all the blacks are afrocentric all the sudden.
@@laurene8915 Yeaaaa He Was Like That With Minister Farrakhan Too
society wants us to hate who we are. embrace it love it. its an amazing thing to me to be a black woman
staceyluvmexoxo 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯❤️❤️
I love my skin and my nappy ass hair
@@devinelove2824 Me too 😍😍👍👍
The problem nowadays doesn’t seem to be about black women loving their blackness because we do, but it’s a problem with black men loving whiteness and not admitting to it.
Thank you!! It sure is!!
I am a mixed race child from a white mother and black father. I don't consider myself white nor black, I'm mixed. I understand both cultures and both heritages. But I am me. I am brown, and have never been accepted on EITHER side. I have been discriminated from both sides. So, I'm not forcing myself on any race.
Exactly. And that is that.
You are confused and you need a hug
Love THIS panel EVERYONE of them. I remember this show when it originally Aired. NOTHING has changed here it is 2021 this was the 1990s.
"Hair going back home" now that's a first...never heard that term before.
Okayyyyyyyy?! LOL!
Lol right
But we wouldn't tho unless we white passing blacks
@@MindbytesXL or black people with straighter hair. When we straighten the hair and it takes it’s curl pattern back.. it’s gone back home
My mother called it "go back" without the "home" part..😏
My grandfather used to say that to me and my cousin all the time! Especially right after we washed our hair .
This is so sad that this is still relevant in 2021. Love the panel, they held their own and kept the audience in check.
This discussion needs to be revisited for today's audience
1 month from 2024.
The audience member said "check the box that says America".....has there ever been one.??
Oh Wow! Kathleen Cross! She worked in an office I used to deliver to when I was with Fedex back in the early '90's. I also was an artist illustrator and she purchased a painting from me and then asked me to design a cover for one of books. I never got it done because I couldn't get someone to pose for it.
Interestingly, when I first saw her, and me as a black man, I looked at her and knew she was a black or African American woman right off the bat.
The 1st Woman ( Mary ) is so beautiful & I love how she voices her thoughts & concerns with such confidence. She puts me in the mind of Keri Hilson when i saw her.
I was raised like the 2nd lady except my momma was mixed { Irish & native } & my daddy was "Black" she raised me around my daddy's family..... I love her sooo much for doing that ❤
2021; still relevant… amazing discussion.
The panel was on point and did not suffer fools in the audience!😂
The white lady at 25:23 was 100% correct and for anybody to suggest otherwise is foolish... There's truth in black children in inner cities not getting the same education as a yuppie suburban white kid... There's no reason she should've been dismissed
I was a bit confused on why they're dismissing her, and why they're denying poverty in inner cities 🤔
@@Redbottoms1 that wanted to detract attention b/c the media narrative back then and still today focused on “the downtrodden black community” so they wanted to express that there is positivity/excellence in the black community
I agree with itsDazzleBish. It was hurtful that she was dismissed. She was being truthful of what was going on in the inner cities. There were too much bitterness on the panel. Black and White people must learn how to solve differences whenever possible when it come to race relations. We are still struggling with this. It's a miracle that we have come this far with the continue hate and bitterness on both sides. Unfortunately money and greed still divides us.
Can confirm this is true
Great show ! We need more programs like this it’s 2022 now and not much has changed.
Baby, one of the most scariest things in America is an intelligent and confident Black man....It always gets some push back.