I play online games and I dont like rubber experience with fake frames. So, my NTB with 4090 will have its value much longer :). They have to change manufacturing proces to 2nm or less to bring performance boost without higher consumption
@ most people dont have a 4090 and buy the 60-70 range of gpus, this technology can double single player games from 70 to 150 fps, people usually run lower settings for competitive shooters to achieve these frames native anyway
Thank you for this video. Could this be due to the fact that NVIDIA chose to go with TSMC's N4P (which is bascially a 5nm architecure just like the RTX 40 series) as opposed to going with N3E?
@@lharsay I feel like powerful SoCs are the future of laptops. They're much easier to cool (which is huge) and they draw so little power compared to a current gen gaming laptop. Look at the Apple M4 Max, it almost matches the 4090 laptops and can be packed in small format with no overheating and cooling issues.
@@justsam100nope it's not even close to 4090. You can check the benchmarks. We really need apple and amd and even intel to produce top tier graphics cards with good drivers so nvidia can reduce their price
@ AMD SoC are great but comparing 4090m to M4 Max is not true because it has new ARM architecture which is too efficient compared to x86 which came out 50 years ago but ARM has a major downside and that is compatibility.
@@unknowdetected960 the 4090 is not x86.... the ARM vs x86 question is only about CPU cores, Nvidia also uses ARM when they need to make a CPU for something (Nintendo Switch)
DLSS FG is great once you're already hitting 60 fps before FG. Below that, the input lag would probably be horrendous! Really, Nvidia should have focused on adding more vRAM or lowering the price, but you know, Ngreedia.
@@cameronbosch1213 doesn't mean they should rely on it for everyone Before frame gen, there were larger actual performance increases and game devs optimized the game rather than relying on this tech
@@youtuvi7452 TDS alert. Every piece of silicon Nvidia sells you is is in HIGH demand by AI research. They can either sell it to you for this much, or to them for that much. You are going to pay, because they are willing to pay. There is only so much space at the FAB. Now go outside and breath some air incel.
and even then the difference is smaller than it should be as the memory for example is essentially pointless the 4090 already has 16gb which is enough for 99% of everything for a long time so the other upgrades needed to be better but if it's just 5-10% on performance and ray tracing that's almost like a driver update kind of boost... lmao.
@@faresabdullah3602 as a 4090 laptop owner I can say that probably the 5090 Max-Q is the only real upgrade for this gen of laptops. We'll have to see the numbers but I'm pretty sure that no RTX 5080 laptop will be able surpass the 4090 laptops (10% to 15% increase, and that's being generous) but only match on average, if they even can indeed match it. People will still look at inflated MFG numbers and fawn over these scam cards and prices, as they usually do.
If your local Microcenter still selling Legion Pro 7 4090, that's probably the best deal out of every single 4090 laptops out there since its released.
When they were brand new, i was able to stack coupons, military discount, and cash back offers to get a 7i 4090 down to just over $2k. It was absolutely mental.
got mine with 4080 and an radeon 7945hx, its a huge improvement over my acer helios not only is the hardware 3 generations newer but the laptop can actually cool it, with custom mode used to max out fan speeds the gpu can pull a steady 135watts and has no problem frequently boosting to 175watts, just played through allan wake 2 with all settings maxed and a locked 60fps that never dipped, locking the fps was a big improvement though prior to that itd spike to over 120fps but then drop to 40fps in forested regions which was really noticeable... my acer couldnt keep the 1660ti fed with 65watts and the cpu was always thermal throttling
@@AndrewBrowner weird, since I own the helios 300 from 2019 with the 9th gen i7 and gtx 1660ti. Never had cooling issues with it as the laptop comes factory undervolted. However I do clean it every year and repaste every other, just to make sure the machine lasts me a longer time. I will note tho that I own the 17inch version, so bit more room for airflow in it
Sadly, that laptop lacks biometrics, feels cheaper than it should for the price, lacks an Mini-LED or OLED screen, and some reviewers have reported thermal issues with that model. I don't think I like the 2025 Legiona that much, especially after they seem to have been heavily paid by Intel to make their AMD offerings as unappealing as possible when it comes to chassis and GPU options. I'll probably go for a Razer Blade 16; despite having soldered RAM, it otherwise seems to have everything I need in a laptop. XMG/Eluktronics doesn't have USB4 and I have no idea when MSI is releasing their new GE Raider with the Ryzen 9950X3D.
5070 is more of a midrange tier so 8gb vram isn't that bad considering the price of the laptop is the same as 4070. If you want more, just get the 5070ti with 12gb vram
Not going to lie, this generation really makes me glad that I didn't wait and got myself a legion 5 with rtx 4070 for around $1200 bucks like 5 months ago.
Yup. Just how I feel about the G16 I bought at the very end of the year. 4070, Ryzen CPU, extra 2 TB ssd installed, gently used for $1,800. Quite happy with it and it'll get me through the next 3-4 years easily.
I waited for 5000 series for a new laptop. My current ones a 1050 ti still. However I built small form factor 4090 desktop for under $300 everything included with steep discounts.
Bro the stock recovered the next day and they are still up a 100% in a year and 10x in the last couple of years. NVIDIA is doing just fine. Delusinional
Unfortunately NVIDIA are no longer focused on providing GPUs for gaming applications like in the past. They are now making far more money providing AI solutions to data centres. I saw a statistic the other day, that less than 10% of their revenue comes from selling gaming GPUs, which makes sense as mega corporations like Google, Meta and Tesla are paying 100s of billions of dollars for their H100 chips. So I expect a lot of their new consumer end GPUs for the public will be more focused on providing AI support as we have seen with the 5000 series, for smaller companies to work with AI models as this provides more revenue than catering to gamers. Still not all bad news, Deepseek R1 developed in China just exposed the cost of AI scam that companies like NVIDIA and the tech bros at OpenAI have been operating, by doing the exact same thing as they can do, for less than 1% of the cost. The result? Super cheap cost of training and inferencing AI coming soon which will result in lower prices for future GPUs as AI costs get cheaper and more efficient for the businesses using these chips.
@@BerserkismThat's not the problem. What the problem is Nvidia made the RTX 5070 such a poor laptop GPU, especially regarding vRAM and some OEMs like Lenovo do not let their AMD offers go any higher than that. Nvidia also could have lowered the prices of their desktop GPUs, particularly the RTX 5090, but of course, they don't gaf.
1. Deepseek probably isn't a frontier model. The cited figure is the training to update deepseek from prior models 2. Even if the efficiency gains are real, demand may actually grow as more players enter the arena. Especially since it's open source, and more applications will come up.
Nvidia low balling it's customers again😂 mark my words, there won't be any significant uplift between 40 and 50 laptop series. 10% at best in best case scenarios.
It's not even gonna hit that figure, the performance and the power increase is almost linear. With a no power increase, i don't expect more than a 5% increase. However, the lower tier models do have the ability to have much higher gains bc the 4060/70 had power limits of 140w but didn't use more than 105w so the lower tier models have headroom While the higher tier models were already maxed out, so not much game
lol would be crazy if we were all wrong because of the 40% less power requirement allowing massive increase in performance compared to 40 series just running at max watts. I highly doubt it though as their 40% less power use claim is probably as sketchy as all their others.
@@NadeemAhmed-nv2br I'm 100% certain that we'll get compact 5090 175w models that perform worse than the MSI Titan 4090 just because they won't be able to handle the thermal limits of such power hungry build. Plus, like you said, when we look at the desktop cards we can actually see that 90 and 80 tier cards raw performance scales almost 1:1 with the wattage increase they were allowed to have...that's just horrible. The only saving grace for the 50 series laptops will be the vastly improved AMD and Intel CPUs, which will be majorly responsible for any significant jump in performance in specific games and applications. GPUs are a complete miss in this gen.
An 8GB GPU not only being sold brand new but featured in the initial launch of the generation is actually insane. We already know from the specs that the RTX 5070 is really an RTX 5050 Ti and the RTX 5080 is an RTX 5060 Ti. These mobile versions will underperform even those. Expect an RTX 5080 Laptop to be what the 5060 should have been and the 5070 to be what the 5050 should have been. It's like the scalper pandemic all over again, paying $1300+ for a laptop with X050 class hardware.
I don't get why you would waste money buying something like a 5080 or 5090 .. unless you really are constantly travelling. Wouldn't you be better off buying a cheaper laptop like a 5060 on the side while spending the thousands you'd spend on a 80 or 90 buying a desktop?
@@AndrewL31413 I know that brother, my point was that you're paying an extreme premium for a laptop. So you're paying much more, for something much worse, that you can't really upgrade aside from maybe ram and ssd space, that has a much larger chance of breaking over time and is much harder to clean. Now I'm not saying laptops are bad, like if you plan to buy a laptop and you buy a 4060/70 or a 5060/70 for around 1000/1200 I get that. And if that's all the budget you have and you don't have a choice because you need it for travel, work, school I get that too. But if you're the kind of person that can spend 4000/5000 on a top of the line laptop. That's kinda where I don't get it. Unless you really have the money to burn and in that case you probably have an absolute beast PC too. But if you don't, and you're just trying to buy the best possible laptop. Then why not buy a lower range laptop and use the rest of the money to buy a high or mid range PC that will offer you a far better experience That said. I also didn't consider peripherals like a monitor etc. Since I already have that stuff. I recently ordered a great PC and I will be selling my laptop the moment it arrives. But I'm that guy that never really needs to take his laptop anywhere. My laptop just sits on a table or a very expensive cooler, that is very loud. I've kinda regretted buying one ever since I bought it. Since I bought it as an impulse buy, I bought it because I always get laptops (because I used to need to take them places) .. but now? It just sits there. My laptop acts as a desktop. It's attached to my monitor and I use a seperate keyboard and mouse. The best thing about my laptop is that it acts as a second screen lol. But yeah, that's more my situation and obviously everyone's situation is different.
@@velociraptorblue866 I dont think you read my comment at all. Sure, the 5090M will perform like a 4090 in between the 5080 and 5090 in the best case scenarios, but the hardware itself is designed for a much lower tier of GPU. You should watch Hardware Unboxed's "The RTX 5080 is actually an RTX 5070" video
I was planning to buy a 4070-based laptop. The only reason I waited (and still am) is its VRAM quantity. Which is the only reason I'm planning to buy a 5070ti. Let's see how that goes...
Do you think at 1440p 12GB 4080 is enough to last 3-5 more years? Is there any reason to spend more on a 5070ti? I am second guessing the 50 series and save some money with a 40 series instead.
I am soooooooo happy I decided to buy a Legion 4090 instead of waiting for the 50s. I was holding out for the 50s until I saw a sale on your website for a Legion 7i 4090 for about $2,500 out the door and said screw it. I can't believe I finally made the correct choice on something for the first time in my life
@@CallMeMitty oh god a 2060 mobile? I have a 3060 myself and that sometimes struggles due to 6GB vram, although it does fine but I can't imagine a 2060
Make sure you take care of the cooling as a lot of gaming laptops die after just a couple of years from not taking care and cleaning there fans. i know this personally.
I think if you're planning to buy a 4070 or 4060 it may not be worth it to wait for the 50 series. The only "decent" improvements seem to be on the higher end versions. The "mid-range" gpus seem to have basically no improvement.
It's funny how many people have claimed that AMD was finished cause they were cutting back investment in RDNA 4 to focus on UDNA 5. Now you got Nvidia launching a series with no architectural improvement and the 9070 XT with 4096 cores should be barely slower than the 5080. RDNA 4 turned out to be a way better architecture than the 5000s
You know what they say "AMD never misses to miss an opportunity" and "AMD always manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory" honestly, we need battlemage laptop cards to hit the market
@@nomoredlc593 the 9070 XT isn't even the top RDNA 4 die they designed, it has 6% more cores than the 7800 XT and the same TDP but is 45% faster. RDNA 4 is several orders of magnitude a better uarch than Blackwell. Battlemage is good too but it's not *needed*, people just love to shill Nvidia when they haven't shipped any worthwhile uarch in half a decade Also I know from internal sources that a lot of the issues that AMD is having is due to how windows works
@@deneguil-1618 We also know AMD uses Windows with registry configurations and modes that no one would run daily (even professionnal system administrators would never do that) in order to do their benchmarks, and then they complain about Windows being what it is. And then they try to create things without even telling something and complain it's broken. Intel at least had the idea of telling Microsoft about Alder Lake. AMD never told anything to Microsoft. And then came the shitstorm with the AMD Linux diehards, Microsoft had to find a fix in less than a week (way outside of their initial planning of updates) and people complained about Windows being broken...
@rinsenpai135 AMD does communicate with Microsoft but Microsoft can't write anything worthwhile. The current Linux drivers for RDNA 4 have been made by some guys on their lunch breaks and perform 20% faster than the windows drivers
It's almost like Nvidia wants this generation to be shitty. 5070 8 GB, c'mon now... And perhaps it has something to do with the upcoming Nvidia SoC. Nvidia's M4 Max competitor. It will be built on 3 nm, that alone should deliver a huge benefit in energy efficiency and performance compared to regular 50 laptops. Perhaps thats also the reason why they are so stingy with VRAM, so that they can point to VRAM bottlenecks in current blackwell laptops and then showcase how much better it is with unified memory of Nvidia only ARM laptops. I personally have high hopes for those.
Honestly, I think people are overestimating that. Personally I have much higher hopes for Medusa Halo. If AMD can use DDR6 RAM with those, it will be a killer chip.
So? New Strategy? Usually it alternates between shitty and good values for each generation. For Nvidia it goes 20xx(bad), 30xx(good value), 40xx(bad, ass vram), 50xx(bad). Lemme guess, 60xx will be bad, too with same or even less VRAM?😂 This is what a near monopoly does to a mfs😅
We shall see, but that would require that games are actually compiled and optimized for arm. Rosetta style translation layers are not simply good enough. But nvidia might have enough leverage to get decent amount of big game companies to do this.
The only exciting thing about the laptop version of 50 series is that there's 5070ti with 12 GB of vram which sounds the best option for mid-range gaming laptops.
@@x_AdoreI don't understand why are people making this claim when it's simply not true. A PC is cheaper when you have peripherals or a base to upgrade. If you don't and you start from zero, a gaming laptop is better.
And eight years of not having VRAM upgrades in the XX70s laptop department. Do people expect 6070 laptops to get both VRAM and core upgrades anytime soon?
Just picked up a Zephyrus G16 (2023) with the 4070 for $1099 on Bestbuy. I upgraded from my good old Legion 5 that had the 1660Ti and wow. What an improvement! I used to play most of the modern games with modified settings and still get over 60 FPS but man this little thing is an absolute BEAST. Upgraded Ram from 16 to 32 to make use of dual channel and expanded SSD to 1TB. I couldnt be more happy. The 50 Series stuff is an absolute joke in my opinion (aleast right now) and 30 series and 40 series are the absolute best stuff to get right now!
Since they are on the same process node, the only way to increase performance on the 50xx series is with DLSS 4 and MFG. I think it's pretty clear. Anything more hardware-wise and laptop cooling systems wouldn't be able to keep up. I'm personally waiting for the 50xx series laptops.
i got the same one, but with a 6900HX. its a sweet machine. i dont think the 50 series is worth a look nevermind the discussion for an upgrade , if youve got a decent 30 series card
@@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep "compared to how garbage gaming on laptops was like 5-6 years ago compared to desktop" what are you talking about? 5-6 years ago we literally had the best laptop GPUs in history. Laptop 1000 series was only 5-10% slower than desktop versions on average. Laptop 2000 series was 10-15% slower on average. Because those were the same GPUs as in desktops with honest naming, the only difference was power limits. Desktop 3080 though is like 50% faster than laptop 3080, desktop 4080? 50-60%. How is that better?
Car manufacturers have been doing the same thing for the past decade. Just up the year model, and change very little (if anything at all) year to year. My 2017 Subaru looks the same as the 2022 models, they only finally changed the interior in 2023 (simply making the screen larger). Of course the price tag goes up year after year.
I love my 4090 laptop it plays everything I want and it’s easy to clean and takes up less space… will probably build a 60 series desktop though… skipping the 50 series
@@cameronbosch1213 100%, for everyone who isn't intellectually capable of understanding that a mobile GPU is *OBVIOUSLY* going to be slower than the desktop equivalent.
Jarrod, your analysis has not considered one very important point: Neural Shaders. Rtx 5000 Gpus have way better AI Tensor Cores than Rtx 4000 Gpus and this will be game changer starting from the next few months. Every aspect of games will be enhanced by AI, many techs will completely change the way we play games, just think about neural faces, neural skin, neural materials, neural texture compression, neural hair. Rtx 5000 Gpus will be able to handle perfectly this innovation for games, while Rtx 4000 will probably only be limited to the bare minimum as far as all those new AI techs are concerned. Remember, the same happened when comparing GTX 1000 Gpus with RTX 2000 Gpus: performance gains were limited from the prev-gen but those Turing cards completely changed the way we were playing games with Ray Tracing and Dlss. We are going to witness the same important change now with Neural Shaders.
I was going to buy a laptop with a 50 Series GPU this year. My current Omen 15 has lasted me through Uni easily. The GTX 1060 proved very useful for both gaming and 3D stuff as I studied architecture. But getting a MacBook Pro now. These things won't get any better battery life than the current laptops, still run hot as all hell and give absolutely crap performance on battery power. If I need Windows to run something, I'll just build a PC with a Ryzen 5 7600 and a 2nd hand 3090.
I got one last year for 1400. We dodged two bullets. First, we got 16 GB of VRAM on our GPU. Secondly, 12th-generation CPUs are unaffected by the issues of Raptor Lake. A bonus is the Lenovo Legion 7 2022 is the best laptop design Lenovo has made in the past 4-5 years.
Yeah the prices are insane, especially in EU the prices are gonna be high for a long time. Only buying from sales are worth it. Back in 2021 I got my Legion 5 with RTX3070 for 1700 €, few weeks ago updated to Legion 7 pro with RTX 4080 for 1900 €. I think I made the right choice.
Ackshyually, games that currently only support single frame generation and DLSS 3.5 in their own settings can be set to use multi frame generation and DLSS 4 in the Nvidia App. That's at least what Nvidia says; I don't have a 50x0 GPU to check with myself.
I feel like even if you decide to go for the 4000 series, you should still wait until 5000 laptops are out, becuase that may drive the 4000 prices down...
The biggest problem I have with modern laptops is the lack of hdd, and only 512 gb ssd on top of that. If we want 1 tb ssd laptop we have to spend around $900 in our country
I have a Lenovo Legion Pro 5 with the 4070. I'm happy with it. I'll be replacing it here in a couple of years though with a desktop and then I'll probably put a Nobara 40 on this LT. The only reason I went with this laptop is I got a hell of a deal on it for under a grand with 32 gigs of RAM and a Intel i7 13700HX.. new BTW.
From my observation, the hardware cannot keep up with the software.. I can pretty much play whatever I want on high settings with dlss on balanced. As long as I'm at least pushing 75 frames per second, I'm happy. I don't play PVP I just play single player games. I'm 44 and my reflexes aren't what they used to be.
Hi Jarrod, great content. I would love to see a video on the current situation with GPUs. In Germany, most decent laptops with RTX40s are sold out or have increased in price substantially. People seem to buy up all hardware with the old GPUs because the new GPUs do just seem to be a minimal improvement for a substantial increase in price. This is a really bad time to buy a laptop. And will be till end of summer :(
I don't understand why NVIDIA insists on not increasing the VRAM and being as slow as possible in not providing actual hardware upgrades except for the highest end card
Great video 🙏 I tapped out and bought a Razer Blade 18 (2024) 4090 on a 45% sale instead of a new 5000. The prices for the new 5000 series is just to crazy I got my blade cheaper than the new ones with 5070 Ti
@@cameronbosch1213 it's there in the lineup. Starting at $1,599 though obviously this won't be the actual price. But hope it is somewhere around there.
Virtually the same process node means there's not going to be much of qn uplift in general, unless you throw more cores at it, and then you may need more power, which becomes a problem for laptops. So yeah, i wouldn't plan on upgrading from a 4080/4090 unless you like the new chassis's and features that come with them.
being on the same node is not the issue. they just put all of their R&D in AI hardware and did absolutely nothing with the CUDA cores for well over 2 years...
@@mariuspuiu9555 being on the same node is absolutely a large part of the issue. Go look at the jumps from 900 to 1000 and 2000 to 3000, those were the largest jumps in the last 9 years, as well as the most significant process node improvements.
@@mariuspuiu9555 being on the same node is absolutely a large part of the issue. Go look at the jumps from 900 to 1000 and 2000 to 3000, those were the largest jumps in the last 9 years, as well as the most significant process node improvements.
@ it's a small part of the issue, not the issue itself. we both know where Nvidia's interests are. even the low VRAM quantity is driven by its AI investments as it doesn't want large models to be run on consumer cards. nobody cares that a consumer GPU runs a model 3-4x slower, but they do care if they can't run it at all. And i did look at previous generations. With few exceptions, the cards had better performance that exceeded just the clock speed changes, memory speed changes and CUDA core count.
@mariuspuiu9555 you can't directly compare dissimilar nodes based on cuda core. Go look at the transistor count, relative to the cuda count they're not the same. Frequency also isn't directly comparable on dissimilar nodes. Being the same node is a massive reason for this generations minimal uplift, and honestly 16gb of vram isn't all that low to me. I haven't found very many times it wasn't enough in practical applications.
I had the same idea today looking at ps5 in the store but then I remembered how much money I invested in buying games on steam...!!!! so, I fell down from heaven to the ground after thinking how much money I have to pay again for ps5 games. The gaming world is cruel.
The 50 series use the same node, albeit a slightly modified one, to the 40 series and as we have seen, performance has scaled pretty much linearly with the increase in power. Laptops are power limited. Connect the dots.
I replaced my desktop last week with a SCAR 18, 4090, 64GB RAM, 4TB M.2, for $2,799. Granted I did trade in my old laptop, bringing the cost way down. Still, I’m glad I made the right choice here. I had this gut feeling the 5000 series was going to massively disappoint, and I was right.
@@Beavdiggiddyits much more portable than the desktop he replaced it with. Large gaming laptops like that are still pretty portable, but we call them "desktot replacements" for a reason.
I expect disappointment. No wonder the Nvidia stocks fell. People would think I was mad for expecting an RTX 5090 laptop to match the performance of a desktop RTX 4090. But I suppose that’s what you get for keeping the same TSMC node.
Yes you were completely out of touch if you thought 5090M = 4090. We knew since March that they would reuse the same transistor tech. Normal gen to gen improvement would have meant that 5090M= 4080 Super like I hoped/expected. But this gen is an anomaly. In a very bad way. It cant deliver the typical generational improvement
@ I started hoping way before they announced the technology. After seeing an RTX 4090 laptop beat a desktop RTX 3090 in benchmarks, you expect it to happen with future Nvidia series as well. Well, after the recent 5000 series desktop benchmarks, it seems I might be in the wrong. But who knows, as Jarrod said, maybe the laptop benchmarks could impress us after all, although at this point it is just wishful thinking.
I personally don't expect it to match but damn I wish we got more vram. If the laptops=desktop on vram I'd say it wouldn't be such a flop and would have been a decent success. With all their hype of Ai you think they give you enough to run it lol 😒
Same. If the 50 series I was good I would have picked up a used 4090 laptop but the new 50 series cards are disappointing. I need the 16GB of VRAM for my workload so I have limited upgrade paths.
The only reason you'd be hyped for 50 series laptops is if you're looking to get a 5080/90 because they're becoming so rare to find. Can't find any at microcenter,best buy etc. Just 3rd party sellers that I don't trust have 'em. I'm interested in a 5070ti since it's got more vram but I'm not sure it'll be worth the wait or price.
@ That would be an amazing price to be honest. With all the improvements they've made and FINALLY going AMD, the blade 16 just might be the laptop to go for this year.
Yeah with inflation and everything becoming more expensive for regular people I don’t know how Nvidia thinks it’s cool to not innovate much at all and release these low improving GPUs. It’s just not worth it this time around. Especially when the cards are so expensive.
i would not be as mad as I am on the 5070 mobile if it was atleast 12gb vram a 70 class gpu is meant to be for 1440p gaming and looking at the vram requirements in the latest games it is going to fail HARD. 8GB vram is straight up an abomination for 5070
I game at 1600p with a 4070 at highest settings all the time. I agree that vram should be increased in this generation, but “fail hard” is hyperbolic. They’ll play fine, just don’t pay a premium price for such mediocre improvement.
@@artlesscalamity Wait really? I will be honest my opinion was based on the system requirements for 3 games - Indiana jones, ac shadows and doom the dark ages All 3 listed 12gb vram for 1440p 60 fps at high preset. Although indiana jones performed better than the system requirements suggested (atleast on my machine) but still the trend was very much visible that 8gb will no longer suffice for 1440p in my opinion
@@AdityaGupta-om8ez there exist a few vram-heavy games like that, and maybe that's what developers will move towards (which would be a mistake). I'm just saying my own experience, RDR2, CyberPunk, Starfield, Alan Wake, the usual modern benchmarks are all fine on a 4070 laptop. If you can find/afford a 4080 or 4090, then more power to you. I couldn't justify the extra $1000+. As for 50XX series, I agree with Jarrod that it's likely to be a lot of $$$ for mediocre uplift. It always comes down to what fits your own needs. A 4070 is more than enough power for my gaming and workloads, I don't need to chase the hottest, newest thing especially at these prices.
@@artlesscalamity yes agree with you It has been my opinion that in terms of like horsepower 4070 and 5070 have plenty for good 1440p experience It's just that I think the vram limit will make it difficult to utilise that horsepower 3060 12gb was such a prime example of a good gpu in terms of leaving things up to the user You want to game at 1440p you can with lower settings/ upscaling vram won't be issue. You want 1080p it's fine too. Raw horsepower used to move up when going from 60 to 70 to 80 and vram never really was a concern for the type of card bought It's just nvidia pulling an apple and deliberately forcing people to upgrade just due to vram which will cost nvidia pennies.. it's just sad
I mean, the part at the end, about 40% more efficiency makes me think that the uplift from the 40 series might actually be bigger. That is, at the same power, with the same number of cores, they should clock higher. So, at 5% more cores and 10% higher frequency with, say, 5% IPC increase = about 20% better hardware, which should translate to 10-15% extra performance.
I use my gaming laptops for video editing. The RTX50 series comes with new hardware video encoders/decoders that are SIGNIFICANTLY upgraded over 40 series NVENC. So, there is a case for that.
If you decide to buy an NVIDIA gaming laptop, you need to know that the 3070 mobile, 4070 mobile, 5070 mobile (probably)... are all downgraded desktop chip dies. They are really 3060, 4060, and 5060 chips respectively. This is a FACT! This is why the 4070 mobile gpu only comes with 8GB of VRAM (because it's really a 4060). The only way to get 4070 tier performance is to buy the 4080 (which is really a 12gb 4070 desktop chip). Nvidia is selling less power for more money, and they are only getting worse about this.
This is the reason I didn't buy the rtx 4070 laptop because at launch its performance was worse than 3070 ti laptop. I own a 3070 laptop with its 140w tgp. Many kids got angry when I said the 4070 laptop is garbage because they wanted to defend ngreedia and their fake frames with dlss. I don't hate dlss, but if kids can only defend ngreedia because of their dlss and fake frames then the 4070 laptop was indeed garbage. Not to mention that the 4070 had 8gb vram, the 5070 is subject to still have 8gb vram and this video proves that there is even less of an hassle for me to not but any ngreedia products for quite a sweet while in the future now.
The basic problem with higher-end GPUs need good heat dissipation where most laptops are barely meeting such requirements on cooling as they draw more power - hence 95-150W on RTX5090 is being limited. Even if they do, you need to work on a quarterly clean-up of the cooling fans where dust build-up very quickly. Should u ignore, the heat will eventually damage other parts of your laptop components, or motherboard circuits and BSOD comes very quickly on your expensive laptop.
Laptop GTX 1070 was released 9 YEARS ago (2016) and it has 8GB VRAM. 9 YEARS LATER 70 class laptop still has 8GB. ZERO IMPROVEMENT OVER 9 F*******G YEARS. This and the fact the upcoming Doom Dark Ages has 8GB vram as MINIMUM REQUIREMENT. And NVIDIA has the audacity to say it has RTX 4090 performance. Anxiously waiting for people to find it stuttering like f*** while it chokes on VRAM on higher than medium settings.
Fun fact: The GeForce GTX 880M was released in March 2014 and it offered up to 8 GB of VRAM for the very first time, in notebooks like the Alienware 17 and the MSI GT72.
By this logic, my 4GB RTX 3050 also smokes it when I turn on DLSS (while getting choked on VRAM in Space Marine 2 resulting in textures not even loading and giving more fps at the same time). You completely missed my point.
@@fightnight14 You’re still missing the point. Yes, a 4060 is faster than a 1070-no one’s denying raw performance improvements. But VRAM stagnation is a separate issue. Games like Doom Dark Ages are already pushing 8GB as a minimum, meaning future titles will demand even more. My 3050 example shows that DLSS/upscaling can’t magically fix VRAM bottlenecks-it boosts fps but still chokes on texture quality and stability (also please elaborate how RTX 3050 is previous generation to GTX 1070? And where you pulled that RTX 4060 from?). NVIDIA hyping "4090-level performance" while skimping on VRAM is disingenuous. What good is horsepower if you’re forced to lower settings in 2024 because of the same 8GB cap from 2016? Progress shouldn’t just be about speed-it’s about sustaining that speed as games evolve.
Picked up the MSI Raider with I9 and RTX 4090 for half price yesterday and it looks like it was the best choice i could have made with the 50 series cards launch.
During the crazy 50 series hype, before the numbers came out I picked up a mint condition Alienware M18 R1 Ryzen 9 7945HX & Radeon RX 7900M 16GB for $1675, over $1100 below MSRP. Should be good for a bit!
I wish more of the new laptops had Thunderbolt 5, then I’d at least feel better that in a couple of years I could potentially extend my usage with a 6k series card as an egpu. Idk
$2k for a rtx 5070 laptop with 8gb of vram is a big yikes. Most games at 1080p max settings or higher resoultions will use more than 8gb of vram. Once vram runs out it will dump into system memory which creates massive stutters.
I'm probably still getting the new Scar 18. Rather upgrade from my 30 series laptop to 50 series regardless of the mild potential gains. For most people though it really doesn't make sense.
The 2025 version G16 does have newer Intel 285H cpu, apparently it gets quicker E cores and 10%-15% better benchmark than 185H. That’s part of the “upgrade” too
I have a 3090 Asus strix scar and I want to upgrade this year, idk which one to buy 😭 is it worth upgrading to 5090 or should I get 4090 instead? Or maybe one of the 50 series but not 5090?
5000 series fells like resfresh of rtx 4000 series. Feels the Same like intel did with raptor Lake. The good thing this year ist that Lenovo and other manufactures go for OLED screens now.
@@cameronbosch1213 I agree. The Lenovo Legion 7 2022 was a peak laptop design. Now the 2025 version looks like a knock-off Alienware. The new OLED screens are nice, but the 2025 Lenovo Legion case designs look dumb.
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multi frame generation is very important, its free frames which is really important, cant get a 30% increase everytime when CPU companies cant keep up
I play online games and I dont like rubber experience with fake frames. So, my NTB with 4090 will have its value much longer :). They have to change manufacturing proces to 2nm or less to bring performance boost without higher consumption
@ most people dont have a 4090 and buy the 60-70 range of gpus, this technology can double single player games from 70 to 150 fps, people usually run lower settings for competitive shooters to achieve these frames native anyway
Thank you for this video. Could this be due to the fact that NVIDIA chose to go with TSMC's N4P (which is bascially a 5nm architecure just like the RTX 40 series) as opposed to going with N3E?
8GB Vram on a 3000$ laptop. This is what happens when there is literally no competition.
The Ryzen AI Max 395+ with it's iGPU might be close to the 5070mobile.
@@lharsay I feel like powerful SoCs are the future of laptops. They're much easier to cool (which is huge) and they draw so little power compared to a current gen gaming laptop.
Look at the Apple M4 Max, it almost matches the 4090 laptops and can be packed in small format with no overheating and cooling issues.
@@justsam100nope it's not even close to 4090. You can check the benchmarks. We really need apple and amd and even intel to produce top tier graphics cards with good drivers so nvidia can reduce their price
@ AMD SoC are great but comparing 4090m to M4 Max is not true because it has new ARM architecture which is too efficient compared to x86 which came out 50 years ago but ARM has a major downside and that is compatibility.
@@unknowdetected960 the 4090 is not x86.... the ARM vs x86 question is only about CPU cores, Nvidia also uses ARM when they need to make a CPU for something (Nintendo Switch)
They're relying on DLSS 4 for every claim
L🤭L Welcome to The Twilight Zone limited edition 👽
DLSS FG is great once you're already hitting 60 fps before FG. Below that, the input lag would probably be horrendous! Really, Nvidia should have focused on adding more vRAM or lowering the price, but you know, Ngreedia.
@@cameronbosch1213 doesn't mean they should rely on it for everyone
Before frame gen, there were larger actual performance increases and game devs optimized the game rather than relying on this tech
@@lightstar1053 oh I'm not excusing that. Though Nvidia definitely could improve in other areas, but they deliberately chose not to.
@Kirugoa no dlss 4 entirely, so every component, because each part is supposed to boost frames past what the raw performance actually is
Fake frames
Real prices
Exactly
Just gotta start paying them with fake currencies....
Use AI, to get the laptop cheaper
all frames are fake
Awesomely said! The sad truth!
8gb for the 5070 is literally a scam
Yeah, even 5050 will have 8gb vram☠️
crazy there still selling those trying to get gullibe new customers is a shitty practice in turning people off
there will still be some people who do no research and just throw their money at these gpus
@@qwertyqwerty-zi6drnope 12gb
It's 5060 really. 5070Ti is the real 4070 successor.
10% more performance for 100% more price
Sounds about right 😂 welcome to 2025
@@penkatadrums Thanks Trump
@@youtuvi7452 Prices are same if not little cheaper, what changed since Biden? Lol
@@youtuvi7452 TDS alert. Every piece of silicon Nvidia sells you is is in HIGH demand by AI research. They can either sell it to you for this much, or to them for that much. You are going to pay, because they are willing to pay. There is only so much space at the FAB. Now go outside and breath some air incel.
And scalpers 🗿@@youtuvi7452
The 5090 is basically a 4090ti, with Nvidia ripoff included.
and even then the difference is smaller than it should be as the memory for example is essentially pointless the 4090 already has 16gb which is enough for 99% of everything for a long time so the other upgrades needed to be better but if it's just 5-10% on performance and ray tracing that's almost like a driver update kind of boost... lmao.
5090 IS The least of our problems lol
@@faresabdullah3602 as a 4090 laptop owner I can say that probably the 5090 Max-Q is the only real upgrade for this gen of laptops.
We'll have to see the numbers but I'm pretty sure that no RTX 5080 laptop will be able surpass the 4090 laptops (10% to 15% increase, and that's being generous) but only match on average, if they even can indeed match it.
People will still look at inflated MFG numbers and fawn over these scam cards and prices, as they usually do.
5090 does have uplift its the 5080 your talking about.
@@lordpiperlib don’t buy it, simple as that
If your local Microcenter still selling Legion Pro 7 4090, that's probably the best deal out of every single 4090 laptops out there since its released.
When they were brand new, i was able to stack coupons, military discount, and cash back offers to get a 7i 4090 down to just over $2k. It was absolutely mental.
got mine with 4080 and an radeon 7945hx, its a huge improvement over my acer helios not only is the hardware 3 generations newer but the laptop can actually cool it, with custom mode used to max out fan speeds the gpu can pull a steady 135watts and has no problem frequently boosting to 175watts, just played through allan wake 2 with all settings maxed and a locked 60fps that never dipped, locking the fps was a big improvement though prior to that itd spike to over 120fps but then drop to 40fps in forested regions which was really noticeable... my acer couldnt keep the 1660ti fed with 65watts and the cpu was always thermal throttling
@@AndrewBrowner weird, since I own the helios 300 from 2019 with the 9th gen i7 and gtx 1660ti. Never had cooling issues with it as the laptop comes factory undervolted. However I do clean it every year and repaste every other, just to make sure the machine lasts me a longer time. I will note tho that I own the 17inch version, so bit more room for airflow in it
Sadly, that laptop lacks biometrics, feels cheaper than it should for the price, lacks an Mini-LED or OLED screen, and some reviewers have reported thermal issues with that model.
I don't think I like the 2025 Legiona that much, especially after they seem to have been heavily paid by Intel to make their AMD offerings as unappealing as possible when it comes to chassis and GPU options.
I'll probably go for a Razer Blade 16; despite having soldered RAM, it otherwise seems to have everything I need in a laptop.
XMG/Eluktronics doesn't have USB4 and I have no idea when MSI is releasing their new GE Raider with the Ryzen 9950X3D.
i-9 14900HX is a timebomb, you should go for the razer 14 2024.
8GB of VRAM??? Is Nvidia serious???
Yes, but no.
Yes. Because they can then sell you a 12 GB vRAM 60 seried model!
don't worry just 2x upscale the VRAM to 16GB :) Welcome to 2025
@@dustojnikhummer so?
5070 is more of a midrange tier so 8gb vram isn't that bad considering the price of the laptop is the same as 4070. If you want more, just get the 5070ti with 12gb vram
fake frames are expensive
You're just POOR
@@FO0TMinecraftPVP😂😂 says the Minecraft kid
@@FO0TMinecraftPVP ahahaahah, you're so L, goddddd
@@FO0TMinecraftPVPnot everybody has a budget of 3k
@@FO0TMinecraftPVP looks like someone didnt get a 5090 from mommy aww so sad
Not going to lie, this generation really makes me glad that I didn't wait and got myself a legion 5 with rtx 4070 for around $1200 bucks like 5 months ago.
That's a screaming deal
Yup. Just how I feel about the G16 I bought at the very end of the year. 4070, Ryzen CPU, extra 2 TB ssd installed, gently used for $1,800. Quite happy with it and it'll get me through the next 3-4 years easily.
I got a 4080 msi stealth 4k 120hz 64gb ram for 1670 brand new. Now they are back at 2700 dollars
I waited for 5000 series for a new laptop. My current ones a 1050 ti still. However I built small form factor 4090 desktop for under $300 everything included with steep discounts.
@@user-gz4ve8mw9l I think you meant to type "under 3000"
Seeing stuff like these from Nvidia just makes you think that they deserved that recent $589 billion market value loss.
They deserved all of it.
The more you flaunt, the more you lose.
Bro the stock recovered the next day and they are still up a 100% in a year and 10x in the last couple of years. NVIDIA is doing just fine. Delusinional
@@MrExitboon "Delusinional"
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@MrExitboon Has they recovered all stock, it is still low. Read the graph carefully next time.
yes they do deserve it
Unfortunately NVIDIA are no longer focused on providing GPUs for gaming applications like in the past. They are now making far more money providing AI solutions to data centres. I saw a statistic the other day, that less than 10% of their revenue comes from selling gaming GPUs, which makes sense as mega corporations like Google, Meta and Tesla are paying 100s of billions of dollars for their H100 chips.
So I expect a lot of their new consumer end GPUs for the public will be more focused on providing AI support as we have seen with the 5000 series, for smaller companies to work with AI models as this provides more revenue than catering to gamers.
Still not all bad news, Deepseek R1 developed in China just exposed the cost of AI scam that companies like NVIDIA and the tech bros at OpenAI have been operating, by doing the exact same thing as they can do, for less than 1% of the cost.
The result? Super cheap cost of training and inferencing AI coming soon which will result in lower prices for future GPUs as AI costs get cheaper and more efficient for the businesses using these chips.
Just because you put on a pink tutu and strut about doesn't make you a Ballerina. i wouldn't being hanging my hat on Deepseek if I were you.
@@BerserkismThat's not the problem. What the problem is Nvidia made the RTX 5070 such a poor laptop GPU, especially regarding vRAM and some OEMs like Lenovo do not let their AMD offers go any higher than that.
Nvidia also could have lowered the prices of their desktop GPUs, particularly the RTX 5090, but of course, they don't gaf.
1. Deepseek probably isn't a frontier model. The cited figure is the training to update deepseek from prior models
2. Even if the efficiency gains are real, demand may actually grow as more players enter the arena. Especially since it's open source, and more applications will come up.
This is why we are getting fake frames this gen instead of actual solid hardware improvements imo.
Deepseek still seep the data from OpenAI. Once all data the swallow up, they still need the new cards to generate and train the AI.
Nvidia low balling it's customers again😂 mark my words, there won't be any significant uplift between 40 and 50 laptop series. 10% at best in best case scenarios.
It's not even gonna hit that figure, the performance and the power increase is almost linear.
With a no power increase, i don't expect more than a 5% increase.
However, the lower tier models do have the ability to have much higher gains bc the 4060/70 had power limits of 140w but didn't use more than 105w so the lower tier models have headroom
While the higher tier models were already maxed out, so not much game
"Mark my words" is very bold after every reviewer and this video predict the same thing.
lol would be crazy if we were all wrong because of the 40% less power requirement allowing massive increase in performance compared to 40 series just running at max watts. I highly doubt it though as their 40% less power use claim is probably as sketchy as all their others.
@@NadeemAhmed-nv2br I'm 100% certain that we'll get compact 5090 175w models that perform worse than the MSI Titan 4090 just because they won't be able to handle the thermal limits of such power hungry build.
Plus, like you said, when we look at the desktop cards we can actually see that 90 and 80 tier cards raw performance scales almost 1:1 with the wattage increase they were allowed to have...that's just horrible.
The only saving grace for the 50 series laptops will be the vastly improved AMD and Intel CPUs, which will be majorly responsible for any significant jump in performance in specific games and applications. GPUs are a complete miss in this gen.
@@ctsperformance1755 I recommend people buy AM…oh wait.
Some people are still hoping for better laptop prices when the 50XX series hits the market🥶
😅
Tsmc earth quake and possible tariffs arent helping either.
@@hoangDo-jh2eg don't worry. trump will lower the prices.
@@balddog470 cope
Most it’ll cost is around 5k I’m already seeing it under that. That’s not a lot
An 8GB GPU not only being sold brand new but featured in the initial launch of the generation is actually insane. We already know from the specs that the RTX 5070 is really an RTX 5050 Ti and the RTX 5080 is an RTX 5060 Ti. These mobile versions will underperform even those. Expect an RTX 5080 Laptop to be what the 5060 should have been and the 5070 to be what the 5050 should have been. It's like the scalper pandemic all over again, paying $1300+ for a laptop with X050 class hardware.
I don't get why you would waste money buying something like a 5080 or 5090 .. unless you really are constantly travelling. Wouldn't you be better off buying a cheaper laptop like a 5060 on the side while spending the thousands you'd spend on a 80 or 90 buying a desktop?
@@3choblast3r4some people might just have a budget for 1 computer and get the laptop version just to be able to also use it daily to work for example.
@@AndrewL31413 I know that brother, my point was that you're paying an extreme premium for a laptop. So you're paying much more, for something much worse, that you can't really upgrade aside from maybe ram and ssd space, that has a much larger chance of breaking over time and is much harder to clean. Now I'm not saying laptops are bad, like if you plan to buy a laptop and you buy a 4060/70 or a 5060/70 for around 1000/1200 I get that. And if that's all the budget you have and you don't have a choice because you need it for travel, work, school I get that too. But if you're the kind of person that can spend 4000/5000 on a top of the line laptop. That's kinda where I don't get it. Unless you really have the money to burn and in that case you probably have an absolute beast PC too. But if you don't, and you're just trying to buy the best possible laptop. Then why not buy a lower range laptop and use the rest of the money to buy a high or mid range PC that will offer you a far better experience
That said. I also didn't consider peripherals like a monitor etc. Since I already have that stuff. I recently ordered a great PC and I will be selling my laptop the moment it arrives. But I'm that guy that never really needs to take his laptop anywhere. My laptop just sits on a table or a very expensive cooler, that is very loud. I've kinda regretted buying one ever since I bought it. Since I bought it as an impulse buy, I bought it because I always get laptops (because I used to need to take them places) .. but now? It just sits there. My laptop acts as a desktop. It's attached to my monitor and I use a seperate keyboard and mouse. The best thing about my laptop is that it acts as a second screen lol. But yeah, that's more my situation and obviously everyone's situation is different.
Lol that is bs, the 4090M is around a 4070 ti super in desktop performance while the highest performing ones are a capped 4080 😂
@@velociraptorblue866 I dont think you read my comment at all. Sure, the 5090M will perform like a 4090 in between the 5080 and 5090 in the best case scenarios, but the hardware itself is designed for a much lower tier of GPU. You should watch Hardware Unboxed's "The RTX 5080 is actually an RTX 5070" video
I was planning to buy a 4070-based laptop. The only reason I waited (and still am) is its VRAM quantity. Which is the only reason I'm planning to buy a 5070ti. Let's see how that goes...
4080M is almost surely faster than 5070M Ti and cheaper
@@niebuhr6197 are u sure tho? i do want to wait a little while cos the 5070Ti is looking like a good sweet spot for this generation of laptops.
Why not go for 4080?
Do you think at 1440p 12GB 4080 is enough to last 3-5 more years? Is there any reason to spend more on a 5070ti? I am second guessing the 50 series and save some money with a 40 series instead.
@enderox those are coming with 16gigs of ram for that price. That’s a crime if you ask me. The 32 gig ones are over $2000
I am soooooooo happy I decided to buy a Legion 4090 instead of waiting for the 50s.
I was holding out for the 50s until I saw a sale on your website for a Legion 7i 4090 for about $2,500 out the door and said screw it. I can't believe I finally made the correct choice on something for the first time in my life
you from US or Canada?
Hows the screen on it? Im thinking of getting one on sale, ive got a 2060 laptop and im ready to throw it out the door its so slow.
@@CallMeMitty oh god a 2060 mobile? I have a 3060 myself and that sometimes struggles due to 6GB vram, although it does fine but I can't imagine a 2060
That's the laptop I was going to get too
Make sure you take care of the cooling as a lot of gaming laptops die after just a couple of years from not taking care and cleaning there fans. i know this personally.
I think if you're planning to buy a 4070 or 4060 it may not be worth it to wait for the 50 series. The only "decent" improvements seem to be on the higher end versions. The "mid-range" gpus seem to have basically no improvement.
It's funny how many people have claimed that AMD was finished cause they were cutting back investment in RDNA 4 to focus on UDNA 5. Now you got Nvidia launching a series with no architectural improvement and the 9070 XT with 4096 cores should be barely slower than the 5080. RDNA 4 turned out to be a way better architecture than the 5000s
You know what they say "AMD never misses to miss an opportunity" and "AMD always manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory" honestly, we need battlemage laptop cards to hit the market
@@nomoredlc593 the 9070 XT isn't even the top RDNA 4 die they designed, it has 6% more cores than the 7800 XT and the same TDP but is 45% faster. RDNA 4 is several orders of magnitude a better uarch than Blackwell. Battlemage is good too but it's not *needed*, people just love to shill Nvidia when they haven't shipped any worthwhile uarch in half a decade
Also I know from internal sources that a lot of the issues that AMD is having is due to how windows works
@@deneguil-1618 We also know AMD uses Windows with registry configurations and modes that no one would run daily (even professionnal system administrators would never do that) in order to do their benchmarks, and then they complain about Windows being what it is.
And then they try to create things without even telling something and complain it's broken.
Intel at least had the idea of telling Microsoft about Alder Lake. AMD never told anything to Microsoft. And then came the shitstorm with the AMD Linux diehards, Microsoft had to find a fix in less than a week (way outside of their initial planning of updates) and people complained about Windows being broken...
@rinsenpai135 AMD does communicate with Microsoft but Microsoft can't write anything worthwhile. The current Linux drivers for RDNA 4 have been made by some guys on their lunch breaks and perform 20% faster than the windows drivers
Where are you guys getting all these details from? They haven't even been announced yet lol
It's almost like Nvidia wants this generation to be shitty. 5070 8 GB, c'mon now... And perhaps it has something to do with the upcoming Nvidia SoC. Nvidia's M4 Max competitor. It will be built on 3 nm, that alone should deliver a huge benefit in energy efficiency and performance compared to regular 50 laptops. Perhaps thats also the reason why they are so stingy with VRAM, so that they can point to VRAM bottlenecks in current blackwell laptops and then showcase how much better it is with unified memory of Nvidia only ARM laptops. I personally have high hopes for those.
Honestly, I think people are overestimating that. Personally I have much higher hopes for Medusa Halo. If AMD can use DDR6 RAM with those, it will be a killer chip.
are they going to put 64 gigs of unified ram on them? probably no. lets be real. it's not the same segment.
So? New Strategy? Usually it alternates between shitty and good values for each generation. For Nvidia it goes 20xx(bad), 30xx(good value), 40xx(bad, ass vram), 50xx(bad). Lemme guess, 60xx will be bad, too with same or even less VRAM?😂 This is what a near monopoly does to a mfs😅
We shall see, but that would require that games are actually compiled and optimized for arm. Rosetta style translation layers are not simply good enough. But nvidia might have enough leverage to get decent amount of big game companies to do this.
me with hp 840 g1
The only exciting thing about the laptop version of 50 series is that there's 5070ti with 12 GB of vram which sounds the best option for mid-range gaming laptops.
Tell that to the Legion Pro 5 AMD. 🤦♂️
70 ti for a midrange jesus thats sad to hear why is electronics keeps on becoming shit
@@akkir6707 70 ti being mid range is completely normal
Yep i will just build a pc then...
literally cheaper too even for high end
@@x_Adoreno shit Sherlock.
And the pc market aint looking great either...gpus are waaay overpriced in most of regions
@@radiant2468 yeaa it's just everything is expensive and I have no money 🥲
@@x_AdoreI don't understand why are people making this claim when it's simply not true. A PC is cheaper when you have peripherals or a base to upgrade. If you don't and you start from zero, a gaming laptop is better.
me watching this on an MX230 laptop i got years ago.
Monstrous rtx 2050 here
@@jestemzaanawetprzeciw228a bit tremendous gt 710 here
1660ti here
my brother in suffrage
I still have an RTX 2060 laptop
1070m - 8GB
2070m - 8GB
3070m - 8GB
4070m - 8GB
5070m - 8GB...
6070- 12GB？😂😂
And eight years of not having VRAM upgrades in the XX70s laptop department. Do people expect 6070 laptops to get both VRAM and core upgrades anytime soon?
You know it's cooked when Jarrod puts a 💀in his title
50 series is a massive flop from a gamers perspective, looking like amd is the play.
AMD will not release mobile dGPUs and Strix Halo is a low quantity product.
LMAO 😂
you know the saying
"amd never misses an opportunity to miss"
:)
And those mobile RX 6000-7000-9000 GPUs are with us right now?
@nomoredlc593 Radeon RX 6000 was pretty prevalent. Not anything after that.
U mean my msi 4070 115W is better? 😭
I think so mister
Yes bro, you're living in the future. Must be nice
Correct answer is we don't know yet
Just picked up a Zephyrus G16 (2023) with the 4070 for $1099 on Bestbuy.
I upgraded from my good old Legion 5 that had the 1660Ti and wow. What an improvement!
I used to play most of the modern games with modified settings and still get over 60 FPS
but man this little thing is an absolute BEAST. Upgraded Ram from 16 to 32 to make use of dual channel
and expanded SSD to 1TB. I couldnt be more happy.
The 50 Series stuff is an absolute joke in my opinion (aleast right now) and 30 series and 40 series are the absolute best stuff to get right now!
Yup laptops in europe with 50 series gpus were on preorder STARTING at 4500€... More than 100% increase
But imagine the 10% better performance for gooming
@voidvoid5151 ah yez the booga to the ooga
Since they are on the same process node, the only way to increase performance on the 50xx series is with DLSS 4 and MFG. I think it's pretty clear. Anything more hardware-wise and laptop cooling systems wouldn't be able to keep up. I'm personally waiting for the 50xx series laptops.
They could at least give more vram for xx70 a below series, but they are so greedy
@@xhuxhoo90 you mean they force you to buy more expensive card if you want more vram and intentionally limit vram on their gpu?
@@mazai_tore oh no no. Nvidia would never do that...
@ that is what i thouth cause we're talking about honest and reliable company out there
@ Yes, I wish the laptop 5070 had 12 GB just like the desktop version. 8 GB won't be enough for long. But on a laptop it's probably more manageable.
feeling less bad about how much i spent to get a 7i with 4080 last year 😅
Well. I am still happy with my 2 year Lenovo 5i pro RTX 3070Ti. It still plays FF7 Rebirth around +- 90 FPS at 2K with the highest settings.
i got the same one, but with a 6900HX. its a sweet machine. i dont think the 50 series is worth a look nevermind the discussion for an upgrade , if youve got a decent 30 series card
the only things that slows down the 3070ti on my laptop is the vram ... planned obsolecence from nvidia
for me it would be the perfect updated laptop with rtx 4080 12gb vram. unfortunately for me, it costs double the price due to import taxes.
@@nolo2jz814 there is plenty of used rtx 4080 laptop now
These laptop prices are absolutely a rip off. That’s why I migrated to a desktop PC for better specs at decent prices.
It honestly should be illegal that these cards are marketed as "5090" "4090". They're not even close 😑
@@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep "compared to how garbage gaming on laptops was like 5-6 years ago compared to desktop"
what are you talking about? 5-6 years ago we literally had the best laptop GPUs in history. Laptop 1000 series was only 5-10% slower than desktop versions on average. Laptop 2000 series was 10-15% slower on average. Because those were the same GPUs as in desktops with honest naming, the only difference was power limits. Desktop 3080 though is like 50% faster than laptop 3080, desktop 4080? 50-60%. How is that better?
Car manufacturers have been doing the same thing for the past decade. Just up the year model, and change very little (if anything at all) year to year. My 2017 Subaru looks the same as the 2022 models, they only finally changed the interior in 2023 (simply making the screen larger). Of course the price tag goes up year after year.
I love my 4090 laptop it plays everything I want and it’s easy to clean and takes up less space… will probably build a 60 series desktop though… skipping the 50 series
@@tabalugadragon3555 i think they should add back the "M" designation like they had before the 10 series. For example, the RTX 5090M.
@@cameronbosch1213 100%, for everyone who isn't intellectually capable of understanding that a mobile GPU is *OBVIOUSLY* going to be slower than the desktop equivalent.
Jarrod, your analysis has not considered one very important point: Neural Shaders. Rtx 5000 Gpus have way better AI Tensor Cores than Rtx 4000 Gpus and this will be game changer starting from the next few months. Every aspect of games will be enhanced by AI, many techs will completely change the way we play games, just think about neural faces, neural skin, neural materials, neural texture compression, neural hair. Rtx 5000 Gpus will be able to handle perfectly this innovation for games, while Rtx 4000 will probably only be limited to the bare minimum as far as all those new AI techs are concerned. Remember, the same happened when comparing GTX 1000 Gpus with RTX 2000 Gpus: performance gains were limited from the prev-gen but those Turing cards completely changed the way we were playing games with Ray Tracing and Dlss. We are going to witness the same important change now with Neural Shaders.
Exactly. I completely agree
lol as someone who just got a 4070 laptop, This was very reassuring to me hearing that I was good to not wait.
I would gladly wait till 50 series laptops are released... and never buy either of them.
I was going to buy a laptop with a 50 Series GPU this year. My current Omen 15 has lasted me through Uni easily. The GTX 1060 proved very useful for both gaming and 3D stuff as I studied architecture.
But getting a MacBook Pro now. These things won't get any better battery life than the current laptops, still run hot as all hell and give absolutely crap performance on battery power. If I need Windows to run something, I'll just build a PC with a Ryzen 5 7600 and a 2nd hand 3090.
Seeing these crazy prices, I realize how lucky I was a few years ago to be able to grab a Lenovo Legion 7 with RTX 3080 for only $1,700.
I got one last year for 1400. We dodged two bullets. First, we got 16 GB of VRAM on our GPU. Secondly, 12th-generation CPUs are unaffected by the issues of Raptor Lake. A bonus is the Lenovo Legion 7 2022 is the best laptop design Lenovo has made in the past 4-5 years.
Yeah the prices are insane, especially in EU the prices are gonna be high for a long time. Only buying from sales are worth it. Back in 2021 I got my Legion 5 with RTX3070 for 1700 €, few weeks ago updated to Legion 7 pro with RTX 4080 for 1900 €. I think I made the right choice.
So basically if the game does not support DLSS4 the 50 series cards are pointless. 😂
Ackshyually, games that currently only support single frame generation and DLSS 3.5 in their own settings can be set to use multi frame generation and DLSS 4 in the Nvidia App. That's at least what Nvidia says; I don't have a 50x0 GPU to check with myself.
I feel like even if you decide to go for the 4000 series, you should still wait until 5000 laptops are out, becuase that may drive the 4000 prices down...
No innovation,no satisfying performance increase,in both desktop and mobile, it's not even worth it anymore
The biggest problem I have with modern laptops is the lack of hdd, and only 512 gb ssd on top of that.
If we want 1 tb ssd laptop we have to spend around $900 in our country
Ryzen AI MAX 395+ is the saviour! 128gigs of unified memory with better performance than mobile RTX 4070.
That's definitely the one to wait for. An actually exciting product in an otherwise stagnant market.
Wiiiiiith a probable starting price of $3000 USD because is a "halo" product
But it's 2199$ for the model with 32gb of ram, too expensive
@@Fluffball555it's an AI monster though, it's a day one purchase with 128gb
3060 128gb🤯
Thats like gt710 99999gb
"The more GPU you buy, the shinier my jacket gets"
I have a Lenovo Legion Pro 5 with the 4070. I'm happy with it. I'll be replacing it here in a couple of years though with a desktop and then I'll probably put a Nobara 40 on this LT. The only reason I went with this laptop is I got a hell of a deal on it for under a grand with 32 gigs of RAM and a Intel i7 13700HX.. new BTW.
From my observation, the hardware cannot keep up with the software.. I can pretty much play whatever I want on high settings with dlss on balanced. As long as I'm at least pushing 75 frames per second, I'm happy. I don't play PVP I just play single player games. I'm 44 and my reflexes aren't what they used to be.
Hi Jarrod, great content. I would love to see a video on the current situation with GPUs. In Germany, most decent laptops with RTX40s are sold out or have increased in price substantially. People seem to buy up all hardware with the old GPUs because the new GPUs do just seem to be a minimal improvement for a substantial increase in price. This is a really bad time to buy a laptop. And will be till end of summer :(
I don't understand why NVIDIA insists on not increasing the VRAM and being as slow as possible in not providing actual hardware upgrades except for the highest end card
So they can sell next gen hardware in a few years when the vRAM becomes insufficient.
Money money money
create a problem which is not there & sale the solution which was not needed. how to become a Billionaire101!
Great video 🙏 I tapped out and bought a Razer Blade 18 (2024) 4090 on a 45% sale instead of a new 5000. The prices for the new 5000 series is just to crazy I got my blade cheaper than the new ones with 5070 Ti
Doesn’t matter. In my European country there’s barely any 4080-90 laptops and the 4070 ones are ugly. I need a zephyrus.
And this is what happens when there is no competition on the high end.
What about the 5070ti? Would 12 gigs of VRAM be worth it?
4070/5070 4608 cuda cores vs 5070 ti 5888 cuda cores 115w tgp vs 4080 7604 cuda cores 150w tgp
If it is offered on the laptop, then absolutely.
8 GB Vram GPU´s need to be avoided going forward
@@cameronbosch1213 it's there in the lineup. Starting at $1,599 though obviously this won't be the actual price. But hope it is somewhere around there.
5090 sets the tone for the next 4 years and its already a dissapointment. So take your conclusions.
Virtually the same process node means there's not going to be much of qn uplift in general, unless you throw more cores at it, and then you may need more power, which becomes a problem for laptops. So yeah, i wouldn't plan on upgrading from a 4080/4090 unless you like the new chassis's and features that come with them.
being on the same node is not the issue. they just put all of their R&D in AI hardware and did absolutely nothing with the CUDA cores for well over 2 years...
@@mariuspuiu9555 being on the same node is absolutely a large part of the issue. Go look at the jumps from 900 to 1000 and 2000 to 3000, those were the largest jumps in the last 9 years, as well as the most significant process node improvements.
@@mariuspuiu9555 being on the same node is absolutely a large part of the issue. Go look at the jumps from 900 to 1000 and 2000 to 3000, those were the largest jumps in the last 9 years, as well as the most significant process node improvements.
@ it's a small part of the issue, not the issue itself. we both know where Nvidia's interests are. even the low VRAM quantity is driven by its AI investments as it doesn't want large models to be run on consumer cards. nobody cares that a consumer GPU runs a model 3-4x slower, but they do care if they can't run it at all.
And i did look at previous generations. With few exceptions, the cards had better performance that exceeded just the clock speed changes, memory speed changes and CUDA core count.
@mariuspuiu9555 you can't directly compare dissimilar nodes based on cuda core. Go look at the transistor count, relative to the cuda count they're not the same. Frequency also isn't directly comparable on dissimilar nodes. Being the same node is a massive reason for this generations minimal uplift, and honestly 16gb of vram isn't all that low to me. I haven't found very many times it wasn't enough in practical applications.
I think it's time to grab a ps5 for under 390 euros and just call it a day and play comfortably all the major stuff over there for the next 5+ years
I had the same idea today looking at ps5 in the store but then I remembered how much money I invested in buying games on steam...!!!! so, I fell down from heaven to the ground after thinking how much money I have to pay again for ps5 games. The gaming world is cruel.
@@ostapstadnyk2199 GeForce NOW
The 50 series use the same node, albeit a slightly modified one, to the 40 series and as we have seen, performance has scaled pretty much linearly with the increase in power.
Laptops are power limited.
Connect the dots.
I replaced my desktop last week with a SCAR 18, 4090, 64GB RAM, 4TB M.2, for $2,799. Granted I did trade in my old laptop, bringing the cost way down. Still, I’m glad I made the right choice here. I had this gut feeling the 5000 series was going to massively disappoint, and I was right.
Do you think that an 18 inch is a problem as it is less portable?
@@Beavdiggiddyits much more portable than the desktop he replaced it with. Large gaming laptops like that are still pretty portable, but we call them "desktot replacements" for a reason.
Yeah… there was genuinely no processing improvements. We got pretty equal power draw increase for the performance increase. It’s a bit disappointing.
I expect disappointment. No wonder the Nvidia stocks fell. People would think I was mad for expecting an RTX 5090 laptop to match the performance of a desktop RTX 4090. But I suppose that’s what you get for keeping the same TSMC node.
Yes you were completely out of touch if you thought 5090M = 4090. We knew since March that they would reuse the same transistor tech. Normal gen to gen improvement would have meant that 5090M= 4080 Super like I hoped/expected.
But this gen is an anomaly. In a very bad way. It cant deliver the typical generational improvement
@ I started hoping way before they announced the technology. After seeing an RTX 4090 laptop beat a desktop RTX 3090 in benchmarks, you expect it to happen with future Nvidia series as well. Well, after the recent 5000 series desktop benchmarks, it seems I might be in the wrong. But who knows, as Jarrod said, maybe the laptop benchmarks could impress us after all, although at this point it is just wishful thinking.
I personally don't expect it to match but damn I wish we got more vram. If the laptops=desktop on vram I'd say it wouldn't be such a flop and would have been a decent success. With all their hype of Ai you think they give you enough to run it lol 😒
Picked up a 4080 g15 during Black Friday and I couldn’t be happier. Open box used for around 1800.
I love my RTX 3080 16GB laptop. Perfect space for local LLM and Jedi Survivor 😂
Same. If the 50 series I was good I would have picked up a used 4090 laptop but the new 50 series cards are disappointing. I need the 16GB of VRAM for my workload so I have limited upgrade paths.
The only reason you'd be hyped for 50 series laptops is if you're looking to get a 5080/90 because they're becoming so rare to find. Can't find any at microcenter,best buy etc. Just 3rd party sellers that I don't trust have 'em.
I'm interested in a 5070ti since it's got more vram but I'm not sure it'll be worth the wait or price.
2:32 A Scar 18 for 4200$ is criminal💀
Last gen blade 16 was 4200$
I wonder what the Blade 16 will be this year with soldered RAM...
@cameronbosch1213 It's basically a g16 with higher power limit
@@cameronbosch1213 They said they'll price aggressively this year so maybe we might see lower prices than last year's.
@@fidelisitor8953 It wouldn't suprise me if it was like 3599$, considering it has a lower tier processor than last year
@ That would be an amazing price to be honest. With all the improvements they've made and FINALLY going AMD, the blade 16 just might be the laptop to go for this year.
These laptop prices are insane. Might as well build a desktop at that point.
175W 4nm is still 175W 4nm.
20% improved 4nm
Blackwell
92 billion vs 76 billion
Yeah with inflation and everything becoming more expensive for regular people I don’t know how Nvidia thinks it’s cool to not innovate much at all and release these low improving GPUs. It’s just not worth it this time around. Especially when the cards are so expensive.
8:27 is all i need
Wintersun shirt!? Now that's something I didn't expect to see in 2025! xD Nice! 🤘
i would not be as mad as I am on the 5070 mobile if it was atleast 12gb vram
a 70 class gpu is meant to be for 1440p gaming and looking at the vram requirements in the latest games it is going to fail HARD.
8GB vram is straight up an abomination for 5070
They made a 5070 ti with 12gb vram to sell an overpried 5070 and to scam 5070 8gb buyers ☠️
I game at 1600p with a 4070 at highest settings all the time. I agree that vram should be increased in this generation, but “fail hard” is hyperbolic. They’ll play fine, just don’t pay a premium price for such mediocre improvement.
@@artlesscalamity Wait really?
I will be honest my opinion was based on the system requirements for 3 games - Indiana jones, ac shadows and doom the dark ages
All 3 listed 12gb vram for 1440p 60 fps at high preset. Although indiana jones performed better than the system requirements suggested (atleast on my machine) but still the trend was very much visible that 8gb will no longer suffice for 1440p in my opinion
@@AdityaGupta-om8ez there exist a few vram-heavy games like that, and maybe that's what developers will move towards (which would be a mistake).
I'm just saying my own experience, RDR2, CyberPunk, Starfield, Alan Wake, the usual modern benchmarks are all fine on a 4070 laptop.
If you can find/afford a 4080 or 4090, then more power to you. I couldn't justify the extra $1000+. As for 50XX series, I agree with Jarrod that it's likely to be a lot of $$$ for mediocre uplift.
It always comes down to what fits your own needs. A 4070 is more than enough power for my gaming and workloads, I don't need to chase the hottest, newest thing especially at these prices.
@@artlesscalamity yes agree with you
It has been my opinion that in terms of like horsepower 4070 and 5070 have plenty for good 1440p experience
It's just that I think the vram limit will make it difficult to utilise that horsepower
3060 12gb was such a prime example of a good gpu in terms of leaving things up to the user
You want to game at 1440p you can with lower settings/ upscaling vram won't be issue. You want 1080p it's fine too.
Raw horsepower used to move up when going from 60 to 70 to 80 and vram never really was a concern for the type of card bought
It's just nvidia pulling an apple and deliberately forcing people to upgrade just due to vram which will cost nvidia pennies.. it's just sad
I mean, the part at the end, about 40% more efficiency makes me think that the uplift from the 40 series might actually be bigger. That is, at the same power, with the same number of cores, they should clock higher. So, at 5% more cores and 10% higher frequency with, say, 5% IPC increase = about 20% better hardware, which should translate to 10-15% extra performance.
I use my gaming laptops for video editing. The RTX50 series comes with new hardware video encoders/decoders that are SIGNIFICANTLY upgraded over 40 series NVENC. So, there is a case for that.
Good point
Here in Canada on the ASUS website, the Zephyrus G16 is listed with the RTX 5070ti and 12GB Vram DDR7
Can u do video on the 285 hx vs the 9955hx3d
But if I have an rtx 3080ti asus laptop … will it be safe to buy an RTX 5090 MSI or Asus “18 screen Laptop? Maybe the MSI Titan?
Back to the old days when moving from a GTX 680M to 780M to 880M was pretty much 10% improvement each gen more or less.
If you decide to buy an NVIDIA gaming laptop, you need to know that the 3070 mobile, 4070 mobile, 5070 mobile (probably)... are all downgraded desktop chip dies. They are really 3060, 4060, and 5060 chips respectively. This is a FACT! This is why the 4070 mobile gpu only comes with 8GB of VRAM (because it's really a 4060). The only way to get 4070 tier performance is to buy the 4080 (which is really a 12gb 4070 desktop chip). Nvidia is selling less power for more money, and they are only getting worse about this.
Facts
I’m pretty sure everyone knows this already
This is the reason I didn't buy the rtx 4070 laptop because at launch its performance was worse than 3070 ti laptop. I own a 3070 laptop with its 140w tgp. Many kids got angry when I said the 4070 laptop is garbage because they wanted to defend ngreedia and their fake frames with dlss. I don't hate dlss, but if kids can only defend ngreedia because of their dlss and fake frames then the 4070 laptop was indeed garbage. Not to mention that the 4070 had 8gb vram, the 5070 is subject to still have 8gb vram and this video proves that there is even less of an hassle for me to not but any ngreedia products for quite a sweet while in the future now.
The basic problem with higher-end GPUs need good heat dissipation where most laptops are barely meeting such requirements on cooling as they draw more power - hence 95-150W on RTX5090 is being limited. Even if they do, you need to work on a quarterly clean-up of the cooling fans where dust build-up very quickly. Should u ignore, the heat will eventually damage other parts of your laptop components, or motherboard circuits and BSOD comes very quickly on your expensive laptop.
Laptop GTX 1070 was released 9 YEARS ago (2016) and it has 8GB VRAM. 9 YEARS LATER 70 class laptop still has 8GB. ZERO IMPROVEMENT OVER 9 F*******G YEARS. This and the fact the upcoming Doom Dark Ages has 8GB vram as MINIMUM REQUIREMENT. And NVIDIA has the audacity to say it has RTX 4090 performance. Anxiously waiting for people to find it stuttering like f*** while it chokes on VRAM on higher than medium settings.
Fun fact: The GeForce GTX 880M was released in March 2014 and it offered up to 8 GB of VRAM for the very first time, in notebooks like the Alienware 17 and the MSI GT72.
1070 gets smoked by a new 8GB GPU though. VRAM capacity has little to do with performance
By this logic, my 4GB RTX 3050 also smokes it when I turn on DLSS (while getting choked on VRAM in Space Marine 2 resulting in textures not even loading and giving more fps at the same time).
You completely missed my point.
@ What? We're talking about 8GB GPU like a 4060 then you bring up a previous gen RTX 3050 and a 4GB VRAM? Nonsense comparison.
@@fightnight14 You’re still missing the point. Yes, a 4060 is faster than a 1070-no one’s denying raw performance improvements. But VRAM stagnation is a separate issue. Games like Doom Dark Ages are already pushing 8GB as a minimum, meaning future titles will demand even more. My 3050 example shows that DLSS/upscaling can’t magically fix VRAM bottlenecks-it boosts fps but still chokes on texture quality and stability (also please elaborate how RTX 3050 is previous generation to GTX 1070? And where you pulled that RTX 4060 from?). NVIDIA hyping "4090-level performance" while skimping on VRAM is disingenuous. What good is horsepower if you’re forced to lower settings in 2024 because of the same 8GB cap from 2016? Progress shouldn’t just be about speed-it’s about sustaining that speed as games evolve.
Picked up the MSI Raider with I9 and RTX 4090 for half price yesterday and it looks like it was the best choice i could have made with the 50 series cards launch.
Im waiting for the rtx 5070ti laptops to comd out, not because the gpu looks better but most laptops got incredible redesigns this generation!
The CPUs also look amazing this generation for laptops
Really good video. Got handy and needed information. Keep it up!
During the crazy 50 series hype, before the numbers came out I picked up a mint condition Alienware M18 R1 Ryzen 9 7945HX & Radeon RX 7900M 16GB for $1675, over $1100 below MSRP. Should be good for a bit!
I wish more of the new laptops had Thunderbolt 5, then I’d at least feel better that in a couple of years I could potentially extend my usage with a 6k series card as an egpu. Idk
$2k for a rtx 5070 laptop with 8gb of vram is a big yikes. Most games at 1080p max settings or higher resoultions will use more than 8gb of vram. Once vram runs out it will dump into system memory which creates massive stutters.
I want a 5070 ti based on pricing alone, you didn't mention it as far as I can tell, what do you think of it?
My Maingear Element with the 2070 Super is still doing everything I need it to 5 years on. Bring on the 60 series.
The other worrying thing there is the lower bounds of the power budget is higher than the previous generation which could mean worse battery life.
Reminds me of the generational upgrade of the 2080 series from the 1080 ti/10 series. Nobody talks about the 2080 TIs anymore
Without a process node shrink, there can be no substantial efficiency gains, and therefore little reason to “upgrade”.
I'm probably still getting the new Scar 18. Rather upgrade from my 30 series laptop to 50 series regardless of the mild potential gains. For most people though it really doesn't make sense.
Waiting for AMD to release laptop GPUs.....
Wait, they don't have any
I really wanted the ASUS scar 16/18 for the easy access to upgrade and clean but man did it have to be paired up with an unfortunate GPU series.
The 2025 version G16 does have newer Intel 285H cpu, apparently it gets quicker E cores and 10%-15% better benchmark than 185H. That’s part of the “upgrade” too
No way Jarrod 😮 I was just wondering when you're going to post about the 50 series laptops this morning
I have a 3090 Asus strix scar and I want to upgrade this year, idk which one to buy 😭 is it worth upgrading to 5090 or should I get 4090 instead? Or maybe one of the 50 series but not 5090?
5000 series fells like resfresh of rtx 4000 series. Feels the Same like intel did with raptor Lake. The good thing this year ist that Lenovo and other manufactures go for OLED screens now.
Too bad the 2025 Legions feel again like they're downgrades from the 2023/2024 models, which were already downgrades from the excellent 2022 models.
@@cameronbosch1213 I agree. The Lenovo Legion 7 2022 was a peak laptop design. Now the 2025 version looks like a knock-off Alienware. The new OLED screens are nice, but the 2025 Lenovo Legion case designs look dumb.
@@AlwaysGrowing0 Exactly. It seems all of the Lenovo Legion designers went to Tongfang (the ODM behind the XMG & Eluktronics laptops)!
Don’t forget the MSI Raider with a 4090 and AMD Ryzen 9 7945HX3D is going for 2699.99 on sale in the US MSI store! 2:36
Can't wait for you to review the Scar 18 5090 when it gets in your hands. You're the guy I'm keeping my eye on. Keep up the great work. God bless!