Cops: is it stock? Me: yes. Cops: can we look under the hood. Me: go ahead. Cops: ok sir have a good day sorry for the bothering you. Me: starts driving again. Me: Let’s off gas. Car:stustustustu Cops: turns on sirens again.
@@WarriorOfEden3033 Diverter valve would work. Basically just a BOV that vents the charge pressure through a hose right back into the inlet rather than dumping to atmosphere...these days diverters are actually more common than blow off valves because it's technically a bit more efficient. Definitely shouldn't skip the intercooler if you go this route though.
As for the water issue, you could put the intake in the trunk and create a duct to get atmospheric air to it. Create some super car type ducts in your rear quarter panel 😂
or just dont send the turbo back to the engine, sure you wont make any boost but you'll get sick noises and wont even have to tune your N/A ecu😂 i think🤔🤔🤔
@@chrisvanweele6641 watch Richard holdner’s video on remote turbo’s, he proved that lag was more dependent on exhaust length rather than charge pipe length. Basically if you move your remote mount up close to the engine bay and run a full length exhaust you wouldn’t even be able to tell the difference
I drive a 2004 acura rl with a rear mounted turbo it looks stock I even use the stock air box my boost engages at 2500 rpm and levels out at around 6000 rpm I only run 5 lbs of boost because the engine is still stock no gapped rings no ecu just a AEM fule presser regulator, 1000cc injeter's and 2 fuel pumps it's all mechanical mostly I am making a ecu with a speeduino but it's a work in progress
@@blackpearlmedia7797 I also have a 1995 acura legend with the similar set up but with a sequential turbo set up I built the engine and transmission it is making a healthy 900 hp plus or minus 30 hp the turbos setup has no lag the small turbo has 5 lbs of boost at 1000 rpm and levels out at 4000 then the big turbo engages at 3000 to what ever boost you wat at any rpm the car max rpm is 8000 but I dont rev out that far I did one time and I think I almost broke the engine 8000 rpm is extremely high for a 90° v6 I only make sleepers out of cars nobody works on like the 91-95 legend or 96-04 rl surprisingly no aftermarket parts at all no camshafts no pistons no nothing it is a lot of money to make parts for my cars especially the legend I spent a little over 200,000 just in parts mainly because I had to order custom pistons rods camshafts differential parts and transmission parts its expensive I also made 3 replacement parts for each part the engine is balanced front to rear each piston is exactly the same and everything else I did all of the work myself in my shop and to build the legend it took me 5 years it's my little fun 2 door sleeper nobody knows what it is and nobody expects it to have 900 hp
Thanks for the infos! Been thinking about slapping a turbo on my S197 and the rear mount idea keeps coming back to me as a cool project. Lots of people think it's dumb but I like to prove people wrong!
One huge factor in rear and mid mount turbos is the turbo oil system. Which of course can be avoided buying an oil less turbo which you have to change the grease out every couple thousand miles and that grease is pricy as well, but if you use a turbo that requires oil, maybe a 300-600 dollar one, you'd have to run long oil lines, one to feed the turbo some oil, and one to drain the oil from the turbo to the block and use a scavenge pump to push the oil back up to the oil pan, and use check valves to avoid the turbo smoking on start up and little details and such. That's another con that can be avoided by buying an oil less turbo that runs over 1k, some 2k, which the cost of the turbo is a con on its own. Being as my entire turbonetics/custom pieced together fabbed kit cost me about $1600 without supporting mods like gauges, fueling, radiator and oil cooler, luckily since it's top mount, it's just gravity drained, but I have experience with low and mid mounts as well. Other than this, i agree with everything else, has ups and downs but in some situations definitely worth the ease of fab, budget and installation.
Great input! Definitely forgot this but oil is definitely a factor! It wasn't to hard I just have a scavenge pump and a basic oil sump cured my smoking issues
@@dennisrobinson8008 it's possible but not that simple, you'd need a pump that's capable of supplying pressurized oil into the top of the turbo, just feeding oil without pressure into the turbo will instantly ruin it first spool up. and of course you'd need another scavenge pump to pull it from the bottom of the turbo back into a reservoir. The fact you just tap into the cars oil system is far more convenient cause that's one less pump capable of failing, and the oil is pressurized already, which varies with rpm which is what you want, higher rpm, more pressure as the turbos spinning faster. It's perfect that way, that's why nobody does standalone oil systems. Sharing it with the cars large 5+ quart reservoir also has its benefits, cause the smaller the standalone reservoir you have, the shorter the oil change intervals for that standalone system
@@Sonickart I appreciate the feedback. There is always a soluation. Someone could bundle up the solution that you described similar to how they bundle up "battery relocation kits", where you have the pump(s), the resevoir and some instrcutions, etc.
If worried about lag, go the twin charged route using a Mercedes c230 clutched supercharger. You can wire it to shut off (via pressure switch) when turbo comes online
@@dennisrobinson8008 yeah that's true. But if you use a supercharger that has a clutch, it might last a little longer if you use it when needed then allow the turbo to take over. Plus the clutch activated supercharger takes strain off the belts when it cuts off and the turbo kicks on. A regular roots is designed to run full time
I've done extensive testing on my rear mount truck. It's an 01 f150 extended cab with a forged 4.6L, ported factory P-I heads, and 6-speed mt82 swapped. The turbo is right behind the cab about 1 foot above the surface of the bed. Total of 13ft of charge piping. I'm running a 62/64/14 Hx-based hybrid that I built. Max boost pressure set to 10 psi.... Using the factory exhaust (w high flow cats) my turbo would achieve max boost at about 3000 rpm. Added Turbo blanket+heat wrap to piping: 2750 rpm Replaced 3" charge piping with 2.5": 2500 rpm Ported the exhaust manifolds: No measurable difference Ceramic-coated the manifolds and exhaust piping: maybe 50 less so 2450rpm Added "stage 1" Cams basically a tow cam with more lift with gains in low end/mid range: 2300 rpm I know that I am losing top end and peak numbers by implementing some of those changes but I can tell you they aren't noticeable. What is noticeable is the spool time. Being a manual transmission I wanted spool up to be as quick as possible; that was my number one priority. Apparently I will get phenomenal improvements by switching to a ball bearing turbo but I refuse. My oiling is already a breeze since the turbo is much higher than the oil pan. This small-turbo truck is a real blast to drive. It reminds me of what it felt like to drive my old 5.0 coyote mustang mt82. I have not dyno'd the truck since I made the changes to the setup. I dyno'd it back when my turbo was reaching max boost at 3000rpm Peak power was 479 whp @ 3800rpm 531ft lbs tq @ 3300rpm If i had to guess peak torque is now reached way into the 2000's. RPM @ Peak hp has probably not changed too much
Thank you so much for commenting! That's super interesting! And that's also a really great improvement for some simple mods. This is the kj d of I fo people need!
Love it man! You could look into putting something as simple as a metal shield an inche from the bottom of the turbo to help prevent and rain/puddles from getting sucked up
Same here I've got a 2007 mazda rx8 6 speed high port looking to do a 300+ whp to rear mount setup for cooling and coolness factor, and Can leave my engine bay looking stock
It doesn`t matter if your turbo gets hot, that's what happens to Turbo chargers anyway because there are very hot exhaust gases running through them. Your Turbo will be running much hotter than your engine bay is! This is why we use Intercoolers to cool the air that passes through the turbo charger.
oh more of it. i have this idea for a Z31. everybody removes ac to do a bigger turbo and intercooler. with a rear mount. you could keep ac in engine bay.
This is especially a concern if you want to turbo your engine but you also want long tube headers. For me, I've been looking to get a GT350 for a while now and recently I've been interested in Kooks long tube headers for the 5.2 Voodoo. At the same time I've been looking into how to turbo the GT350 with long tubes installed. *UPDATE February 2023:* After coming across your video and doing all the digging I've been doing for a while, I was considering going for rear-mount twin turbos, plus a supercharger to take care of the lag, but now I'm looking at short-tube headers, twin turbos, and no supercharger.
I'm glad I stumbled on this. One of my only concerns about rmt is oiling. Like scavenge pump and all that. I plan on rmt my 93 civic hatchback. Yes, I know alot ppl say it doesn't make since on a fwd. Traction isn't what I'm looking for. I want the cool factor, and to be different. Also thought about cutting a hole in my spare tire well in the trunk for the filter. Use naca ducts to feed it.
2013 express 2500. Doing a mid undermount in place of the third cat. Welding in a T4 flange right under the side cargo door. Tons of space between the frame and drive shaft. Should be very inconspicuous.
Nice! U doin this ona big Chevy Express van? I like em alot, they roll real smooth and solid.. like the big elephant coming lol Im interested in doin a mid mount on my 94 Plymouth voyager 3.3 shorty van. Its stock now, with 20" 2022 Dodge Challenger wheels on it.
@@koollee may as well. Those old voyagers we're awesome. I had an 88 we called the brown bomb in high school. I killed it when I jumped it over a set of railroad tracks back in March of 1997. Yes I am doing a cargo van. Came with 799 heads and a 6L90 trans so she is already begging for it.
1: lag is highly subjective - personally mine comes in around 3300 rpm and goes through to 8000 , when I change gears its in the band continuously. dont see how that's a bad thing?
Looking at building a rear mount when I build my 383 big block mopar. Should be building 400+lbs of torque off the line anyway so I don't think I will care about turbo lag
A single exhaust wouldv'e been less materials/welding and less heat loss, though maybe you didn't have room for a larger diameter pipe? Have you considered wrapping the exhaust to keep heat in? And for those of us with a bit more room under there, an air-to-water intercooler under the back seat floor would reduce travel (not to mention increase the stealthiness).
The original design was to accommodate a second turbo but that plan has changed. Knowing what I do now a single setup would be more efficient for sure! I just buttoned up this build yesterday and it hit a HUGE number I didn't expect 😅 video is being worked on now. Also the piping will be getting wrapped!
True if you can look under my hood, there is no space whatsoever to fit any sort of Turbocharger. It’s just full of engine Also you can hide your turbocharger so your car doesn’t look turbo’s in anyway
Dude thats rad! Idk if your subbed or not but I'd love to have a group of Australians filling the channel! It's a bucket list destination and I hear the car scene is pretty awesome!
All you have to do is make a turbo box. I know you don’t understand what it is but think about it for a few minutes and you’ll make one and I’ll be the fastest and you won’t have any lag.
One of the thing is with the long pipes , is when you shift. You do not have as much pressure drop inbetween . So the initial spool lag is a very small price to pay , for keeping the boost up between shifts. The rear mount allso is less harsh on your turbo as it won't get as hot. However i would still say that on a car that allready sits low.. that can be a problem. Now , depending on the car , if its say.. a 4 jugger, I would rather look for 2 small turbo Than a large one. Cyl 1 and 2 , and 2and 4 paired. The long tubes will even out the pressure waves a lot better. Than with the small turbos you can mount them higher. Many Times its cheaper to aim for a pair of smaller turbos Than a large single unit. And many Times small turbos can get a lot higher boost. Potentially you can even regain the initial spool lag , while enjoying the benefit of the less spool loss between shifts. With the 2 small turbo approach you may verry well not need the intercooler. Saves space. Allso you can crossfeed , the turbo that gets exhaust of cyl 1 and 2 , can boost cyl 3 and 4. Its far less complicated to make a manifold with proper dimensions thatway. Volumetric efficiency can and does varry between cylinders , if you flowbech a head , you will see the deviation can be up 10% or even more. This helps resolving that issue , and while you will have less peak power , you will have a better curve. From performance stand point peak values mean nothing. Power under the curve is indeed what tells the story.
i dont like 350s that much but i enjoy your narrative and im trying to remote mount my 2nd gen acura tl stock motor. for the same reason as you, i enjoy unique things about cars. im excited for whats to come for this z and my tl (yours will %100 be faster lol, i just wanna beat stock c5's)
@@blackpearlmedia7797 Its almost there. I had to change to a stand alone because the stock ecu is not tunable. So many wires and I haven't got a clue where they all go so It is as of last week. ( November 5th 2022 ) it is in the shop getting wired up by a pro
yeah wow what are the odds you stumble onto a rear mount turbo 350z build from your home turf. wild. would love to ask a few more in depth questions, getting into a turbo z build myself.
@@jeepwk6.5L reach out to limp mode. Tuning. The owners are friends of mine and guided me on what to get. Unfortunately. The same pump I'm using now is currently unavailable on Amazon so they may have some more information on a substitute
This would be a good question to ask an actual mechanic as I am not one! In my mind it doesn't sound like much of an issue. But I would definitely suggest an oil cooler in either case
I watched a video dyno testing different pipe lengths The result was that length of the exhaust to the turbo does effect lag somewhat BUT the length of the charge pipe does not increase lag any significant amount I'm sure if it was 100 feet long it would but 15 feet or so have so little effect it is not worth thinking about
Sorry for the long comment 😊 Hey sir new subscriber here. Just trying to see if i can do rear mount exhaust to my 2000 Toyota Camry 3.0 V6. I couldn’t see or find any exhaust manifold that is already build so idk if this is the best for my car. Plus i have an idea where i can change the car from stock pipe then to another exhaust with turbo 😊. I would like to have my car to be a project can then it will be a unique in some way, That a family car\sedan can be a beast. Please let me know if this is possible. Thank you 🙏🏽 Problem I’m thinking rn is snow and rain. A good rubber cover will be great
Well anything is possible! But I knew little about that platform so I think your best bet is to join a few Facebook groups and ask LOTS of questions. Tuning capabilities, supporting mods like fuel injection and cooling solutions. Once you have enough info find a local fabricator to help design and build the system. And last you will need to find a tuner to tune the car. It's a long road but worth it! Now if that is to much at this point I'd say start with a good set of coilovers a nice set of wheels and some sticky tires! You will see and feel a huge difference in performance
A snorkel on the turbo inlet would solve the water problems, right? I live in a flood prone area, so this rear mount idea might be about to get the can from me.. lol Thankfully I watched this vid. Thanks ;)
Haha everyone's situation is different! Around here heavy rain and flooding are easy enough to avoid but it may not be that way for everyone. I'm glad it helped!
I have a bare bones 93 civic hatch. No a/c, so no condenser. Thing only has a half sized radiator. I can see my header clearly through my bumper. It's gonna get wet regardless.
Hey bub..I did a rear mount on my g37..lol you ain't kidding it sounds bad without resonators.what resonator did you go with I have a vibrant right off the y and it still sounds pretty bad..
I gave you a like just for acknowledging the straight piped VQ not sounding good. I’ve got a Mark VIII and there is nobody in the community after 28 years that has found a way to mount a turbo near the engine. Rear mount seems to be the way
i have a S54 with velocity stacks so i have literally no air intake so i’m tryna learn how to add air. obviously nitrous but i thought i’d watch this just incase i have some power i could use back there some how lol
Thanks for content, im wrinting from poland. Here rear mount turbo ist popular. Turbocharge modifications are very popular, but it is just in the front of the car. Great posibility for me also to learn english from u in the enjoyment way ! ( i have toyota yaris 1.5 106 HP. Very nice car, considering weight of the car its very fast. I woud like to make turbo to this car. Rear mount turbo sounds amazing ! i ii go that way parhapse. )
Greetings from the USA! Rear mounts have a ton of benefits and are super fun to drive! You have to do a little designing on your own but that's the fun in the challenge!
To be honest I really don't care too much about turbo lag in fact I think it's kind of fun waiting for boost to hit then feeling it start to floor you into the seat, however the reason I'm watching this video is because I've had a really bold idea in my head that I have to do now which is cutting into my trunk in my Miata and making a turbo that pokes out the trunk facing forwards with two entrys leading to the front side of the trunk almost by the doors, too crazy of an idea? Cause I'm kind of obsessed with the thought now
Been watching a few videos on the build and i enjoy the content! I bought a beater sn95 v6 mustang that i want to rear mount turbo when i upgrade the turbo on my galant vr4 to a holset hx35
Check out Nugget Garage. His Supra has a setup that’s unbelievable. Biggest issue people run into. Now a days there is no reason to lower compression. Especially with the tuning of these systems we have now. People using far too large an exhaust pipe diameter. People also not wrapping the system to contain thermal energy. The lag. Think of it as perfect traction control.
I get really frustrated when I see people modding their cars because I want to, but all I have is my one car and can't risk breaking it. Almost like I can see it, but it's still just out of reach
This build has been going on for almost 10 years now. Don't put yourself down, just chip away at it part by part. Whenever you get a bonus or maybe when you get tax returns or something like that snap up a couple of parts. Also prices on cars are coming down so maybe your dream car will become attainable. Keep your head up buddy! It takes a while for most of us
I realize this is an old video but one con you missed is having to integrate a return oil pump because it can't gravity feed the return oil back into the oil pan all the way from the back of the car & sitting that low. I've always been fascinated with rear mount & mid mount setups. I plan on doing mid mount twin 70's hanging off the back of long tube headers on my 77 Chevy K10
I mean I don't think that's really a con. It's just a part of the system. Something that's necessary, just like an intercooler or bigger injectors. That's why I didn't really put it on the list, but that k10 sounds like it's going to be awesome!
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Cops: is it stock?
Me: yes.
Cops: can we look under the hood.
Me: go ahead.
Cops: ok sir have a good day sorry for the bothering you.
Me: starts driving again.
Me: Let’s off gas.
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That what actually happened to me thay still could not find it I hidden the intake inside the oem air box looks oem
Just get a silent blow off valve 😂
@@WarriorOfEden3033 Diverter valve would work. Basically just a BOV that vents the charge pressure through a hose right back into the inlet rather than dumping to atmosphere...these days diverters are actually more common than blow off valves because it's technically a bit more efficient. Definitely shouldn't skip the intercooler if you go this route though.
Glad I don't live in an authoritarian police-state:
Cops: Is it stock?
Me: Nope.
Cops: Have a nice day.
As for the water issue, you could put the intake in the trunk and create a duct to get atmospheric air to it. Create some super car type ducts in your rear quarter panel 😂
I know a guy in Cali who did that! Haha
true
or just dont send the turbo back to the engine, sure you wont make any boost but you'll get sick noises and wont even have to tune your N/A ecu😂 i think🤔🤔🤔
That extra piping acts as a pressure container, with good tweekin you can use the lenght to your advantage and have less lag..
mind == blown
Any more info on this? Like examples where this is the case(with data)?
@@bilaltariq7819 Ford did this in rally years ago, had a tank in the rear bumper that stored boost when off throttle. I guess similar principle
Ugh no the longer the pipe the more lag
@@chrisvanweele6641 watch Richard holdner’s video on remote turbo’s, he proved that lag was more dependent on exhaust length rather than charge pipe length. Basically if you move your remote mount up close to the engine bay and run a full length exhaust you wouldn’t even be able to tell the difference
I drive a 2004 acura rl with a rear mounted turbo it looks stock I even use the stock air box my boost engages at 2500 rpm and levels out at around 6000 rpm I only run 5 lbs of boost because the engine is still stock no gapped rings no ecu just a AEM fule presser regulator, 1000cc injeter's and 2 fuel pumps it's all mechanical mostly I am making a ecu with a speeduino but it's a work in progress
That's awesome! My new set up comes on at 3800 and goes to the moon! 600hp tho
@@blackpearlmedia7797 I also have a 1995 acura legend with the similar set up but with a sequential turbo set up I built the engine and transmission it is making a healthy 900 hp plus or minus 30 hp the turbos setup has no lag the small turbo has 5 lbs of boost at 1000 rpm and levels out at 4000 then the big turbo engages at 3000 to what ever boost you wat at any rpm the car max rpm is 8000 but I dont rev out that far I did one time and I think I almost broke the engine 8000 rpm is extremely high for a 90° v6 I only make sleepers out of cars nobody works on like the 91-95 legend or 96-04 rl surprisingly no aftermarket parts at all no camshafts no pistons no nothing it is a lot of money to make parts for my cars especially the legend I spent a little over 200,000 just in parts mainly because I had to order custom pistons rods camshafts differential parts and transmission parts its expensive I also made 3 replacement parts for each part the engine is balanced front to rear each piston is exactly the same and everything else I did all of the work myself in my shop and to build the legend it took me 5 years it's my little fun 2 door sleeper nobody knows what it is and nobody expects it to have 900 hp
Can you post a video of it
You need to join the Acura RL group on Facebook
Can you post videos on your 2004 Acura??
Thanks for the infos! Been thinking about slapping a turbo on my S197 and the rear mount idea keeps coming back to me as a cool project. Lots of people think it's dumb but I like to prove people wrong!
One huge factor in rear and mid mount turbos is the turbo oil system. Which of course can be avoided buying an oil less turbo which you have to change the grease out every couple thousand miles and that grease is pricy as well, but if you use a turbo that requires oil, maybe a 300-600 dollar one, you'd have to run long oil lines, one to feed the turbo some oil, and one to drain the oil from the turbo to the block and use a scavenge pump to push the oil back up to the oil pan, and use check valves to avoid the turbo smoking on start up and little details and such. That's another con that can be avoided by buying an oil less turbo that runs over 1k, some 2k, which the cost of the turbo is a con on its own. Being as my entire turbonetics/custom pieced together fabbed kit cost me about $1600 without supporting mods like gauges, fueling, radiator and oil cooler, luckily since it's top mount, it's just gravity drained, but I have experience with low and mid mounts as well.
Other than this, i agree with everything else, has ups and downs but in some situations definitely worth the ease of fab, budget and installation.
Great input! Definitely forgot this but oil is definitely a factor! It wasn't to hard I just have a scavenge pump and a basic oil sump cured my smoking issues
Can you actually run a stand alone oil delivery system? Ex oil pump and reservoir.
you could have an oil supply in the trunk and an electric pump.
@@dennisrobinson8008 it's possible but not that simple, you'd need a pump that's capable of supplying pressurized oil into the top of the turbo, just feeding oil without pressure into the turbo will instantly ruin it first spool up. and of course you'd need another scavenge pump to pull it from the bottom of the turbo back into a reservoir.
The fact you just tap into the cars oil system is far more convenient cause that's one less pump capable of failing, and the oil is pressurized already, which varies with rpm which is what you want, higher rpm, more pressure as the turbos spinning faster. It's perfect that way, that's why nobody does standalone oil systems. Sharing it with the cars large 5+ quart reservoir also has its benefits, cause the smaller the standalone reservoir you have, the shorter the oil change intervals for that standalone system
@@Sonickart I appreciate the feedback. There is always a soluation. Someone could bundle up the solution that you described similar to how they bundle up "battery relocation kits", where you have the pump(s), the resevoir and some instrcutions, etc.
If worried about lag, go the twin charged route using a Mercedes c230 clutched supercharger. You can wire it to shut off (via pressure switch) when turbo comes online
Interesting tell me more!!
People who twin charge usually leave the roots blower online. Itll compress air from the turbo.
@@dennisrobinson8008 yeah that's true. But if you use a supercharger that has a clutch, it might last a little longer if you use it when needed then allow the turbo to take over. Plus the clutch activated supercharger takes strain off the belts when it cuts off and the turbo kicks on. A regular roots is designed to run full time
I've done extensive testing on my rear mount truck. It's an 01 f150 extended cab with a forged 4.6L, ported factory P-I heads, and 6-speed mt82 swapped. The turbo is right behind the cab about 1 foot above the surface of the bed. Total of 13ft of charge piping. I'm running a 62/64/14 Hx-based hybrid that I built. Max boost pressure set to 10 psi....
Using the factory exhaust (w high flow cats) my turbo would achieve max boost at about 3000 rpm.
Added Turbo blanket+heat wrap to piping: 2750 rpm
Replaced 3" charge piping with 2.5": 2500 rpm
Ported the exhaust manifolds: No measurable difference
Ceramic-coated the manifolds and exhaust piping: maybe 50 less so 2450rpm
Added "stage 1" Cams basically a tow cam with more lift with gains in low end/mid range: 2300 rpm
I know that I am losing top end and peak numbers by implementing some of those changes but I can tell you they aren't noticeable. What is noticeable is the spool time. Being a manual transmission I wanted spool up to be as quick as possible; that was my number one priority. Apparently I will get phenomenal improvements by switching to a ball bearing turbo but I refuse. My oiling is already a breeze since the turbo is much higher than the oil pan.
This small-turbo truck is a real blast to drive. It reminds me of what it felt like to drive my old 5.0 coyote mustang mt82.
I have not dyno'd the truck since I made the changes to the setup. I dyno'd it back when my turbo was reaching max boost at 3000rpm
Peak power was 479 whp @ 3800rpm
531ft lbs tq @ 3300rpm
If i had to guess peak torque is now reached way into the 2000's. RPM @ Peak hp has probably not changed too much
Thank you so much for commenting! That's super interesting! And that's also a really great improvement for some simple mods. This is the kj d of I fo people need!
I have an 01 SS, cam, rear mount. It's amazing for launching. If you tune it correctly, you can make it seamless.
smart man. I have more work to do
Love it man! You could look into putting something as simple as a metal shield an inche from the bottom of the turbo to help prevent and rain/puddles from getting sucked up
Lots of things can be done! All the cons are very minor
Add a centrifugal with a clutch, run a bypass intake system with a throttle body.
Now your turbo setup has NO lag and will come on much quicker
I've been wanting to do a rear mount turbo for my RX8. The engine bay gets super hot as is, and turbos in the back would look sick
Oooo that would be a cool application!
Same here I've got a 2007 mazda rx8 6 speed high port looking to do a 300+ whp to rear mount setup for cooling and coolness factor, and Can leave my engine bay looking stock
@@B-boydrifter yep, that's the same hp I'd like. I think it's possible but most people say it's too difficult
It doesn`t matter if your turbo gets hot, that's what happens to Turbo chargers anyway because there are very hot exhaust gases running through them. Your Turbo will be running much hotter than your engine bay is! This is why we use Intercoolers to cool the air that passes through the turbo charger.
oh more of it. i have this idea for a Z31. everybody removes ac to do a bigger turbo and intercooler. with a rear mount. you could keep ac in engine bay.
Do it! That's a tight engine bay
This is especially a concern if you want to turbo your engine but you also want long tube headers. For me, I've been looking to get a GT350 for a while now and recently I've been interested in Kooks long tube headers for the 5.2 Voodoo. At the same time I've been looking into how to turbo the GT350 with long tubes installed.
*UPDATE February 2023:* After coming across your video and doing all the digging I've been doing for a while, I was considering going for rear-mount twin turbos, plus a supercharger to take care of the lag, but now I'm looking at short-tube headers, twin turbos, and no supercharger.
That's awesome! I'd start with the twin turbos see how bad the lag is before you add a super charger.. You might find it's not as bad as you think
at the end of the day, isn't that twin-charged? Not to be mistaken with twin turbo
Good video!
Thanks!
I'm glad I stumbled on this. One of my only concerns about rmt is oiling. Like scavenge pump and all that. I plan on rmt my 93 civic hatchback. Yes, I know alot ppl say it doesn't make since on a fwd. Traction isn't what I'm looking for. I want the cool factor, and to be different. Also thought about cutting a hole in my spare tire well in the trunk for the filter. Use naca ducts to feed it.
Screw what other people say. Rear mounts are funny as hell! I'm backing you.
Thanks for the info! I’m planning on going boost this summer too and was thinking about doing a rear mount
hope this helps! ill be making more info videos soon on the build as winter has come and the car will be going away.
Watching now. From 1000 subs to 22k , nice.
@@EmilAlexandru it's been a journey and we are still growing!
2013 express 2500. Doing a mid undermount in place of the third cat. Welding in a T4 flange right under the side cargo door. Tons of space between the frame and drive shaft. Should be very inconspicuous.
Nice! U doin this ona big Chevy Express van? I like em alot, they roll real smooth and solid.. like the big elephant coming lol
Im interested in doin a mid mount on my 94 Plymouth voyager 3.3 shorty van.
Its stock now, with 20" 2022 Dodge Challenger wheels on it.
@@koollee may as well. Those old voyagers we're awesome. I had an 88 we called the brown bomb in high school. I killed it when I jumped it over a set of railroad tracks back in March of 1997. Yes I am doing a cargo van. Came with 799 heads and a 6L90 trans so she is already begging for it.
awesome video. - agree being exclusive, i have had mine 4 years now and never seen another one in South Africa
I have been to South africa!!!
1: lag is highly subjective - personally mine comes in around 3300 rpm and goes through to 8000 , when I change gears its in the band continuously. dont see how that's a bad thing?
Looking at building a rear mount when I build my 383 big block mopar. Should be building 400+lbs of torque off the line anyway so I don't think I will care about turbo lag
Im thinking of doing rear mounted turbos on my c4 this was a great introduction for me learning the ins and outs of my soon to be build c:
Absolutly recommend it!
Check out the rest of my videos! My current set up almost hit 600 whp
You gotta move that clock behind ya, it blends with your hair and makes ya look funny. Like a cartoon haircut :) Also, thank you, super cool topic.
Haha thanks! I have sense moved and set up a new location!
I have rear mounted twins in a G.cherokee srt8 2012 and it hits boost at 3k rpm and its like you said "when the boost hits it hist strong"
So bad ass! But yeah it's just regular driving till you need the sauce
A single exhaust wouldv'e been less materials/welding and less heat loss, though maybe you didn't have room for a larger diameter pipe? Have you considered wrapping the exhaust to keep heat in? And for those of us with a bit more room under there, an air-to-water intercooler under the back seat floor would reduce travel (not to mention increase the stealthiness).
The original design was to accommodate a second turbo but that plan has changed. Knowing what I do now a single setup would be more efficient for sure! I just buttoned up this build yesterday and it hit a HUGE number I didn't expect 😅 video is being worked on now. Also the piping will be getting wrapped!
True if you can look under my hood, there is no space whatsoever to fit any sort of Turbocharger. It’s just full of engine
Also you can hide your turbocharger so your car doesn’t look turbo’s in anyway
Thanks mate from South Australia
Dude thats rad! Idk if your subbed or not but I'd love to have a group of Australians filling the channel! It's a bucket list destination and I hear the car scene is pretty awesome!
All you have to do is make a turbo box. I know you don’t understand what it is but think about it for a few minutes and you’ll make one and I’ll be the fastest and you won’t have any lag.
One of the thing is with the long pipes , is when you shift. You do not have as much pressure drop inbetween . So the initial spool lag is a very small price to pay , for keeping the boost up between shifts.
The rear mount allso is less harsh on your turbo as it won't get as hot.
However i would still say that on a car that allready sits low.. that can be a problem.
Now , depending on the car , if its say.. a 4 jugger, I would rather look for 2 small turbo Than a large one. Cyl 1 and 2 , and 2and 4 paired. The long tubes will even out the pressure waves a lot better. Than with the small turbos you can mount them higher. Many Times its cheaper to aim for a pair of smaller turbos Than a large single unit. And many Times small turbos can get a lot higher boost. Potentially you can even regain the initial spool lag , while enjoying the benefit of the less spool loss between shifts.
With the 2 small turbo approach you may verry well not need the intercooler. Saves space.
Allso you can crossfeed , the turbo that gets exhaust of cyl 1 and 2 , can boost cyl 3 and 4. Its far less complicated to make a manifold with proper dimensions thatway. Volumetric efficiency can and does varry between cylinders , if you flowbech a head , you will see the deviation can be up 10% or even more. This helps resolving that issue , and while you will have less peak power , you will have a better curve. From performance stand point peak values mean nothing. Power under the curve is indeed what tells the story.
i dont like 350s that much but i enjoy your narrative and im trying to remote mount my 2nd gen acura tl stock motor. for the same reason as you, i enjoy unique things about cars. im excited for whats to come for this z and my tl
(yours will %100 be faster lol, i just wanna beat stock c5's)
Haha thanks man! Sounds like you are on the right track!
Turbo setup on an Acura RL ka9 I would love to see this
same here!
Just built a rear mount turbo system on my Porsche 928 ( the V8 Porsche ) There is ZERO room for it under the hood so rear is the way to go.
That's awesome! Is the car back on the road or still under construction?
@@blackpearlmedia7797 Its almost there. I had to change to a stand alone because the stock ecu is not tunable. So many wires and I haven't got a clue where they all go so It is as of last week. ( November 5th 2022 ) it is in the shop getting wired up by a pro
@@supercars6050 That's really exciting! Wires definitely give me the heebiejeebies so I tend to just pay the man on that kind of a job
Well said man, hit all the key points
fellow ct driver woot! we got the best mix of "driving" roads up here... I mean tracks in mexico
I love the Kent area!
yeah wow what are the odds you stumble onto a rear mount turbo 350z build from your home turf. wild. would love to ask a few more in depth questions, getting into a turbo z build myself.
Yeah for sure! DM me on Instagram @plackpearl_media
@@blackpearlmedia7797 just gotcha
I wonder if the back pressure is lower with a rear mount so you could run a larger cam.
Hmm not sure 🤔
Con's were definitely items I have thought about already. Im still intrigued with doing this on my '06 V6 Eclipse..🤔🤫
Doooo ittttt
I like how your cons turn into pros lol
😂😂😂
Can this be run on an mqb platform? Mk7 gti or R would be unstoppable with a twin turbo setup , is20 or is38 up front and a big ole ar70 at the rear .
I'm not sure but probably!
So do you have to run a pump to supply oil?
Yup! Scavenge pump!:)
@@blackpearlmedia7797 ok, any certain style or flow rate? Thanks for the reply
@@jeepwk6.5L reach out to limp mode. Tuning. The owners are friends of mine and guided me on what to get. Unfortunately. The same pump I'm using now is currently unavailable on Amazon so they may have some more information on a substitute
@@blackpearlmedia7797 alright man thanks. What size line did you run from the engine for feed?
On my rear mount c5 corvette would 250f oil return line work or will oil get hotter it has 2feet of an line first then into the line I speak of
This would be a good question to ask an actual mechanic as I am not one! In my mind it doesn't sound like much of an issue. But I would definitely suggest an oil cooler in either case
Nice video bro and the quality looks great 👍🏽
Ayyy thanks! I put a little more effort into the lighting and audio haha
Wow you have a mature audience. Surprised there aren't "put it in the rear" comments 🤣. Good info man.
Subbed and liked my fellow CT brother 👌
Appreciate it man! Yeah I'm surprised haha
I watched a video dyno testing different pipe lengths The result was that length of the exhaust to the turbo does effect lag somewhat BUT the length of the charge pipe does not increase lag any significant amount I'm sure if it was 100 feet long it would but 15 feet or so have so little effect it is not worth thinking about
Great job! Almost to 10k!👍🍺
Thank you! Getting there :)
I want to do this on my 2002 civic
I'd love to do this with a VQ35 Elgrand
Great video bro, subbed. I’m considering doing this on my G35 I think this is the route I’m going to take for sure
Awesome man welcome! I'll have even more videos coming out on it as well
Convinced me too, got a 06 g a week ago
For guy who came hear just to listen to the sound 5:18 5:30 7:01
Sorry for the long comment 😊
Hey sir new subscriber here. Just trying to see if i can do rear mount exhaust to my 2000 Toyota Camry 3.0 V6. I couldn’t see or find any exhaust manifold that is already build so idk if this is the best for my car. Plus i have an idea where i can change the car from stock pipe then to another exhaust with turbo 😊. I would like to have my car to be a project can then it will be a unique in some way, That a family car\sedan can be a beast. Please let me know if this is possible. Thank you 🙏🏽
Problem I’m thinking rn is snow and rain. A good rubber cover will be great
Well anything is possible! But I knew little about that platform so I think your best bet is to join a few Facebook groups and ask LOTS of questions. Tuning capabilities, supporting mods like fuel injection and cooling solutions. Once you have enough info find a local fabricator to help design and build the system. And last you will need to find a tuner to tune the car. It's a long road but worth it! Now if that is to much at this point I'd say start with a good set of coilovers a nice set of wheels and some sticky tires! You will see and feel a huge difference in performance
A snorkel on the turbo inlet would solve the water problems, right?
I live in a flood prone area, so this rear mount idea might be about to get the can from me.. lol
Thankfully I watched this vid. Thanks ;)
Haha everyone's situation is different! Around here heavy rain and flooding are easy enough to avoid but it may not be that way for everyone. I'm glad it helped!
“Really cool spool inside the car”
*shows dyno clip* 😂
If you get water in it itll probably blow the turbo up before it touches the engine
nah driven plenty in heavy rain and have had zero issues
Friggen dope man keep it up u finna make it big
Much love man. I appreciate it! I'm trying my best! Truly blessed on my journey so far so I'm not complaining either way
"Want to know how to pleasure a woma-"
"Noo, but anyways, this is my car, and it has a turbo in it's BUTT.."
I found him!😭😭😭🤣
Having a trubo in the rear bottom get rusted with rain and dirt and then have problems? I think It wont last long.
I'll keep you posted!
I have a bare bones 93 civic hatch. No a/c, so no condenser. Thing only has a half sized radiator. I can see my header clearly through my bumper. It's gonna get wet regardless.
Hey bub..I did a rear mount on my g37..lol you ain't kidding it sounds bad without resonators.what resonator did you go with I have a vibrant right off the y and it still sounds pretty bad..
Mine is true duel so I ha e 2 vibrant. But I may add a resonated tip as well
@@blackpearlmedia7797 ahh ok thank you..
I want to do a rear mount on my S14, sounds crazy right?
Send it!
Great video! Thanks 🙏🏽
Yw. Hopfully this helps
I know I’m a year late but this really helped me make my decision thanks for video bro 👍🏼
Always relevant! I'll have to do an update!
Dude is staring down my soull
👀👀👀
Seems like a grat idea to add cheap top end to my 370z, my car seem to beat v8's 1/4 mile but from a roll of 75mph they eat my Z
I gave you a like just for acknowledging the straight piped VQ not sounding good.
I’ve got a Mark VIII and there is nobody in the community after 28 years that has found a way to mount a turbo near the engine. Rear mount seems to be the way
Yeah they sounds sooo bad lol 🤣
Plan on using it on my sc400
Oooo that's going to be sick!
i have a S54 with velocity stacks so i have literally no air intake so i’m tryna learn how to add air. obviously nitrous but i thought i’d watch this just incase i have some power i could use back there some how lol
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Did you need a tune after doing this
What do you do for oil supply and return
Do you use oil Pump and separate oil tank?
Look at the Playlist. I ha e a few videos. But I run a scavenge pump in the rear that circulated the oil
@@blackpearlmedia7797 thanks
Good job.
oh shit, CT plates
Haha yeah!
are those connecticut plates?!
Thanks for content, im wrinting from poland. Here rear mount turbo ist popular. Turbocharge modifications are very popular, but it is just in the front of the car. Great posibility for me also to learn english from u in the enjoyment way ! ( i have toyota yaris 1.5 106 HP. Very nice car, considering weight of the car its very fast. I woud like to make turbo to this car. Rear mount turbo sounds amazing ! i ii go that way parhapse. )
Greetings from the USA! Rear mounts have a ton of benefits and are super fun to drive! You have to do a little designing on your own but that's the fun in the challenge!
It's a mess but it does fix a lot off reliability problems
I'm stuck between a rear mount or a sidewinder style crossing the entire engine and have the inlet through a quarter vent
Would you have to delete the AC for the sidewinder kit??
what size turbo you running
Precision 62/62 journal bearing
@@blackpearlmedia7797 does the small turbo size help with the turbo lag?
@@crw3673 it does! I have nothing to compare it to personally but everything I did for research pointed to smaller turbos
@@blackpearlmedia7797 Agreed! I think this is why STS turbos uses only relatively small turbos for quick spool up.
@@crw3673 yeah definitely makes sense!
does anyone know if i can install a turbo in a 328xi but in the back cuz in the front ion got space
Just send it brother!
One Con would be its easily stolen a sawzall and 1 minute of cutting like the guys who were stealing peoples catalytic converters in parking lots
Hydrolocking....just extend the inlet plumbing to a higher location-- shucks you can run your intake to your roof if you want
I mean, your not wrong! Haha
Very informative video!
Glad you liked it!
With a rear mount would it change the whole exhaust setup? Just got a tomei and i would rather not lose it lol
Is it kinda unsafe on how low the turbo and its sucking in debris? I rarely see them have intakes.
It's sits much higher then you would think. No debris issues
I was thinking about doing a rear mounted turbo for my Q but $5k seems like a bit much. Do you know if a kit from a 350 or g37 would swap over?
Probly would need some modifications
Same here I have a q70 3.7 and want just a lil more power like 5psi
To be honest I really don't care too much about turbo lag in fact I think it's kind of fun waiting for boost to hit then feeling it start to floor you into the seat, however the reason I'm watching this video is because I've had a really bold idea in my head that I have to do now which is cutting into my trunk in my Miata and making a turbo that pokes out the trunk facing forwards with two entrys leading to the front side of the trunk almost by the doors, too crazy of an idea? Cause I'm kind of obsessed with the thought now
Sounds like it's perfectly fine to me! Kind of reminds me of the hard body guys that put it in the beds of the pickup truck
Rear mount twin turbo no more lag
Lag can be caused by alot of factors. Turbo size and piping can play a massive part
very true!
Been watching a few videos on the build and i enjoy the content! I bought a beater sn95 v6 mustang that i want to rear mount turbo when i upgrade the turbo on my galant vr4 to a holset hx35
Do it man!
Hi would like to ask how the turbo sucks up air if it's behind?
And to the car enthusiasts don't jump on me I'm just asking
There is air all around the car at all times :) there is a lot of air flowing under the car as well so it's getting a lot and it's 🥶 🧊 ☃️
@@blackpearlmedia7797 okay thanks
Check out Nugget Garage. His Supra has a setup that’s unbelievable. Biggest issue people run into. Now a days there is no reason to lower compression. Especially with the tuning of these systems we have now.
People using far too large an exhaust pipe diameter. People also not wrapping the system to contain thermal energy.
The lag. Think of it as perfect traction control.
I will be heat wrapping in the next few months! Definitely move videos will be coming out on that topic alone!
Yup they got 1000hp and used only 2 inch piping on a 1uz v8 which is what I’m thinking should have been used on this build
I really want to know how many feet of oil lines do you need
14 we got to make sure we had enough
Lol just saw ur car on insta and had to find out how u did it👍💯
Welcome! Check out the playlist while your here :)
How much power are you making? What psi?
408whp and 402tq at 9psi. But there was 2 big limiting factors that I have updated! Shooting for 500whp and 400tq
5:04 pause on that
Strong car to complete run way on the raod staffing. Like play turbo charger and recharge money. Sart o.
I could do without that background music..
I’m watching this like imma get a turbo soon 😭😭
You just gotta believe!
I get really frustrated when I see people modding their cars because I want to, but all I have is my one car and can't risk breaking it. Almost like I can see it, but it's still just out of reach
This build has been going on for almost 10 years now. Don't put yourself down, just chip away at it part by part. Whenever you get a bonus or maybe when you get tax returns or something like that snap up a couple of parts. Also prices on cars are coming down so maybe your dream car will become attainable. Keep your head up buddy! It takes a while for most of us
A boosted N/A miata sounds wrong😂
What about oil return???
What about it my friend?
I realize this is an old video but one con you missed is having to integrate a return oil pump because it can't gravity feed the return oil back into the oil pan all the way from the back of the car & sitting that low. I've always been fascinated with rear mount & mid mount setups. I plan on doing mid mount twin 70's hanging off the back of long tube headers on my 77 Chevy K10
I mean I don't think that's really a con. It's just a part of the system. Something that's necessary, just like an intercooler or bigger injectors. That's why I didn't really put it on the list, but that k10 sounds like it's going to be awesome!
Turbo lag is awesome!