Vergil isnt just a DLC character. He is literally "THE SPECIAL EDITION" character. If anything, he should be on his own tier called Special Edition Roster
@@qxponix589 Especially if we actually had 80 characters with this roster right here. Like seriously, if this game sold this well with this hot take of a roster, it really shows to never underestimate the MvC2 era crew. LOL
The fact that The Punisher has never been in a Marvel vs Capcom game considering how important he is to the Marvel vs Capcom series is a FUCKING CRIME The Punisher's beat em up game was literally the first project Marvel and Capcom created together and it ended up being a success, slowing spawning the MvC games. There is a FUCKING REASON why Capcom put the Punisher game in the Marvel vs Capcom fighting game collection The Punisher needs to a priority in the next Marvel vs Capcom game or I will be disappointed That's the end of my little rant. Fun video as always Max
Punisher is not an interplanetary type superhero who fights aliens and super beings. He fights mafia bsses and ultra financially powerful guys like Kingpin.
Problem is he's just regular gun man, and many other characters fill that niche. He was in consideration for MvC3, but he didn't go further for that reason.
@@paperluigi6132 Thorgi knows that first hand. You gotta have that balance of icons and weirdos; it can't just be characters YOU want especially when you're a fan of a particular franchise or two.
@@dnmstarsi Ironically, Capcom actually cares more about some of the less popular games than fans do. In the TVC, there are Rival Schools, Lost Planet, Onimusha, and Quiz Nanairo Dreams Omokane , and even Sengoku BASARA and Gaia Master were considered.
@@Potidaon It kinda is, dude especially for Marvel and Capcom and you have to work with a limited number of characters to add. Even when you try to find that balance of legacy characters and newcomers. Plus people have been praising this as much as we've been criticizing it because let's be real, people would be okay with another MvC game where most of the roster is either X-Men or Street Fighter. Those two DID rule the 90s and the people who are trying to bring back MvC were there in the 90s and have been missing a lot of that charm since MvC3 understandably.
I love that Phoenix Wright gets in basically because he represents the non-meta of MvC where the character is just fun to watch people play or watch him do his thing. He won't win many, if any tournaments, but we're all happy having him in there.
As an Ace Attorney fan as well as a FGC fan, seeing that Phoenix was playable in the most iconic crossover series in the FGC made my life. Got me into watching Lythero and iHeartJustice initially for PW tutorials and gameplay until sticking around bc the content was too fire.
Phoenix embodies the spirit of "fuck it, who cares" when choosing your character, and that's gotta be there, you can't be fully serious with your roster.
Robbie Reyes and Johnny Blaze should both be playable, one being an alternate skin to the other. If that’s not possible though, it be cool to give Robbie Reyes Ghost Rider a chance in the spotlight as the playable Ghost Rider, Johnny Blaze still being in the game but as a extra in the stage background.
@@Chido_Agent Sadly, I wasn't there when this stream happened........but I'd secretly wish I was lmao No offense, but I NEVER liked Wright's series (I do like the character design, though. Franciska Von Karma is 100% lit)
I thought the same thing, Howard the Duck would be the perfect weird pick. And we've done almost a lot of big bads from Marvel as boss characters like Apocalypse, Onslaught, Ultron Sigma, Ultron Omega, and Thanos. If I were to recommend a new Boss character from Marvel, I would suggest Knull from the Thor comics (Look him up, he has a sick design..)
The weird thing is, he IS in the background in MvC3 in the Shadowlands NY stage. Capcom literally wanted him in but Marvel insisted on MODOK. Because there is one guy in Marvel's lincensing who really likes that dumb little thing. It happened in MCP as well. AMG wanted their first wave to have Hulk vs Abomination, but they said "nope. MODOK." It's weird that he hasn't been modded in yet to the best of my knowledge. His model is RIGHT THERE.
Huh with that roster with being so predominantly X-Men, if I didn’t know any better, I would think what Max wants is not Marvel VS Capcom, but X-Men VS Capcom.
If anything, seeing Max's list (and Thorgi's list from his Make a Roster video, which Max looked at in the stream VOD) really makes me want to see a MvC4 roster from the perspective of a Marvel Comics-head. I believe that the classic verus games where developed by Capcom people who knew some deep pulls which we never even heard about back in the day (we weren't reading the comics 😅), and I wonder if the Capcom of today, who could be making a MvC4, would be able to recreate that magic Can't wait to be there to see though
I can contribute! I'm a big comics fan, and while I do better at Capcom character recognizability than most normies would, I still struggled putting my Capcom side together (it also unfortunately has a ton of SF characters) My picks for Marvel started out the same; about half? three quarters? of mine matches Max's. The differences are that I put in Invisible Woman, Rocket/Groot, Spiral, X-23 (main roster), Angela, Moon Knight, Ghost Rider, Emma Frost, and Ms Marvel.
That's easy, since just like Max did, half of the roster are X-Men characters, the real question lies in how many will the Disney executives allow since there is no way the game is shipping without Rocket Raccoon, Avengers like Scarlet Witch, Black Panther or Captain Marvel...
But X-Men always has been a very important part of MvC's identity. Infinite being too focused on MCU characters is one of the reasons why people didn't like it as much.
@@fapuloes Except that MvC evolved past X-Men and Street Fighters with MvC3 plus X-Men ruled the 90s with SF so it makes sense to push those two more at the time but we're not in the 90s anymore and both Marvel and Capcom gave us several cool characters that were neither an mutant or a street fighter. Even with the latest success, let's not get crazy and that's saying something given MvC1.
@@fapuloesthat's cus infinite was based on the movies. X-Men are cool, but we gotta be more unique with the marvel AND Capcom characters, i fucking LOVED iron fist on umvc3 and so did Justin Wong.
@fapuloes X-Men have only been MOST of the Marvel roster in X-Men vs Street Fighter (hence the name) & MvC2. MSH vs SF & MvC1 had 2-3 playable X-Men reps in the games & MvC 3 had the perfect balance. Infinite was poorly liked because it was heavy MCU influenced which effected the music (which the MCU wasn't known for) & was at a time people were getting exhausted of the MCU putting synergy into everything Marvel made beyond the movies.
I think the point is that they aren’t deep cuts as in…we know those characters because of previous MvC games at the very least. In terms of fringe Marvel, I think things like Squirrel Girl, Elsa Bloodstone, and Mephisto.
@@megamandrn001 Not really. Miles has been a breakout hit for Marvel in recent years with Spider-Verse and the Insomniac games, and he's got powers that Capcom could use to make him feel different from Peter. Also, Max has 4 Street Fighter shotos on Capcom's side. Dude's not gonna let similar movesets hold him back.
@@paperluigi6132Hmm well I do remember one stream moment where Funcle Kenny got Ripley one of those tiny Pac-Man Arcade 1Ups. Ripley looked like she was really into it. Max sounded disappointed and didnt want her to become a Pac-Man main.
MvC's roster is a very delicate balance for me. Unlike something like Street Fighter or Guilty Gear where literally ANYONE can be included, I personally believe MvC needs a certain balance achieved, at least in terms of flavor. You can add as many Chris Redfields or Haggars as you want, but you also need to even it out with characters like Amaterasu, Jedah, or even ones like Sigma or Nemesis. The reason why is simply, we need characters that provide that air where both sides feel equal in terms of power. Marvel's side will always have the heavy hitters like Magneto, Hulk, or even literal gods like Dormammu and Shuma Gorath. What we also need is characters that can match their power, or can still make sense flavor wise, alongside the ones everyone likes. THAT'S why people want characters like Gill and Asura. Sigma and Jedah felt PERFECT for MvCI because they were characters that felt like they could stand amongst the giants of Marvel. I don't even play a lot of those characters but I do feel like those types of characters are important for such a colorful series as this.
30:51 Capcom abandoned a LOT of IPs over the years, so most people wouldn't know shit about them. Some haven't been around for 20 years as far as having their own games. Darkstalkers is forever stuck in the 90s.
The way the Lord intended, it's easy to forget people were actually pretty upset with the mvc3 roster back in the day because of the lack of X-Men compared to previous titles in a lot of the cast were very new plus no Venom or Mega Man
This makes me wonder what would happen if two people worked on one of these "build the roster" sheets -- one Capcom nerd, one Marvel geek -- and see what would happen when you meshed their ideas together in this format.
Doc Ock is a character Capcom developed for MVC3, but was cut at the last minute (along with Frank West, but at least Frank was able to get into Ultimate MVC3 later). People even found on the game's data the doc ock char icon from the character select screen
I really think Lady Dimitrescu would be an interesting addition, especially if she has her three daughters as attacks. Even if she not a full character, I think she would be a great Mid-boss encounter
@@chronoplex89 : You KNOW Deadpool would have MANY things to say to and about her! "Oh look! Another mommy with a 'D' that's obsessed with me! *turns to camera and whispers* And I saw your Rule 34 stuff at the announcement, you pervs."
@@spoonimefan also she will probably say something irritable to Magneto since Heisenberg favor him in abilities. Of course Magneto will likely silence her by wrapping a metal strip around her mouth. Referencing X-Men 97
I humbly submit Gwenpool for MvC consideration: -Representation of newer Marvel comics, at least relatively speaking -I think MvC needs characters that haven't been in movies, some of the relatively obscure picks. Much like how Marvel Rivals has put a massive spotlight on characters like Galacta or Jeff the Shark that non comic readers won't know about. While the Capcom side is always going to use deeper cuts, I think the Marvel side just being MCU superstars would get dull -Would incorporate comic book imagery into her moveset, which would be pretty great to see in MvC (for those unfamiliar, she jumps between & breaks comic book panels) and bring some fun elements Deadpool had to a far more extreme level Also, I kinda want Zack & Wiki too but that's definitely just raw bias lmao
Jon Talbain feels like an "always a bridesmaid, never a bride" type character. He's gotta be in. I'd also like Gill for the sole reason that he was cut from MvCI.
I would put Demitri over Ken for a shoto character, in fact. The problem is Vampire characters have very little representation apart of Morrigan and the occasional Anakaris, people is not very used to see spooky anime characters but they are so cool. Also I feel Jedah should be in, he is a very striking figure.
A rule of thumb for making a MVC roster should be that the maximum amount of representatives one franchise can have is 5, if both players can choose all their character from the same franchise and non is the same I think you did something wrong.
Max siding with more X-Men and Street Fighter characters isn't surprising given his history with the franchise and how the earlier entries were more focused on those two franchises. My guess is MVC4's roster would likely be shaped like UMVC3, a balance between X-Men, Avengers, and villains on the Marvel side and a wide mix of franchises for Capcom. As much as people like the X-Men, it's not the 90s anymore where the Avengers and other Marvel properties didn't have any popular media adaptations like the X-Men did and where we could just recycle Street Fighter Alpha sprites 20 times.
@danielcraig9666 Are they? I mean, they're still big, but they're hardly on top of the world. The Avengers may not rule pop culture anymore, but their reign was far more recent, and there are more people around today who see them as the faces of Marvel over the mutants.
MAJOR RESPECT for adding Jubilee. Makes no sense why a character with the power to charge and detonate atoms like Gambit can but with the force of nukes, and can do it even from a distance hasn't been playable. And that's just in her regular form. If they went with her depowered Wondra form, now she has a power suit that gives super strength, flight, temp invulnerability. And if we go with her Vampire form, super strength, speed, turning into mist, etc. If we go with her more matured regular form that we have currently in the comics, you can add a oversized full grown adopted Dragon to the lineup. A character with all that and one seriously amazing backstory including saving Wolverine from dying, should definitely be playable.
I always thought this franchise could be a really great space to reimagine Street Fighter characters. Blanka with projectile electricity. Juggernaut-size Zangief. Super armor Balrog. Stuff that would be impossible in the mainline games.
I always wished Blanka was in MVC2 over someone like Guile since Charlie already exists, Hulk even has an ending in MSHvsSF with him interacting with Blanka and its wholesome, check it when you can. We should also get Max to “rate the endings” from every game.
Let's be honest with ourselves. I don't think that a casual audience would want a "retooled" version of Ryu. That's a very bad idea I'm not going to hold you. I think we should just leave all the characters alone and leave the retooling for their main series
@@daymonharris8696 You write like a malfunctioning AI and what you're saying makes no sense. They already retooled Ryu, you dunce. Geez! I sure do love Ryu's air fireball in the main series games.
I want The Arisen. Give them the hybrid vocations and make them a summoner who commands the Pawns. Have the Pawns be the different basic vocations. Then you get this character who can set up and mix you with various combinations of weapon types and summons.
I don't think we can trust Marvel and Disney for Asura to be in MVC after the Star Wars sequels, She-Hulk, the Marvels, and every recent failures they produce nowadays.
@@000mjd His childish tantrum it's getting old Better not tell him that if we get a new MVC, Frank has his guaranteed roster slot, thanks to the Deluxe Remaster 🤭
@@Zevox87 Because it was mainly a personal roster. Part what people would want to see and part what would work nowadays and unfortunately, Rashid kinda missed the boat on Capcom's part.
Me who knows the recent failures that Disney and the MCU produce: Yeah no. I don't think it is a good idea for a new MVC game after how the Marvel and Disney movies fumbled.
@@dee_dee4640Disney aren’t the ones who would actually make the game, dude. Disney has no hand in the video games besides giving permission to use the characters. And I’m not sure if you’ve noticed, but Marvel games are doing very well right now. Spider-Man 2, Guardians of the Galaxy, Midnight Suns, Marvel Rivals, etc.
@fordesponja I need Moon Knight to talk shit about Dracula oweing him money even though that panel isn't real. Or Luke Cage being pissed Doom never gave him the money he owes still.
@@comicking428 The problem is those X-men are really core to the franchise and have different styles of combat. I don't have a problem with ditching Ken, Akuma and, to some extent, Sakura because they are all shotos, I'd rather have Demitri or Lilith over Ken any day of the week if we even have to put another shoto style character in his place. But who you take out of the X-men? They are a very varied bunch.
Am I the only person in existence that has absolutely no interest in ever seeing Sentinel again? Can we not just maybe have the OG giant dumb one as a bonus stage boss or something? I would have taken Juggernaut, Collosus or almost any big Marvel character over him.
@@xerospades Ken? Really? If you told me it was somebody like Gill, Urien or even Johan Petrovich, I'd understand, but Ken? Who is basically Blonde Ryu? We already have Akuma. The less shotos, the better
@@pop000690 I don't think X-Men will go beyond Wolverine, Magneto, Storm, either Cyclops or Gambit and Scarlet Witch due to legal issues involving Insomniac, where the last one counts as a mutant, while Deadpool doesn't... And that's without considering Disney's priorities at the time, maybe they'll want more Fantastic 4 chars this time around, like The Thing and there's no way Rocket, Captain Marvel, Black Panther and Shang-Chi will be passed-off!
@@michaelriverside1139Ain't nobody in the mainstream know Shang-Chi from anything other than bargain stores being flooded with figures from the flop movie.
For the Marvel vs Capcom 4 roster, I would take a page from Professor Thorgi. Split the 60 characters down the middle, 30 for Marvel and 30 for Capcom. Then split those in half for 15 returning characters and 15 new characters. It would not be easy to decide who stays and who goes. But the challenge would make some fascinating rosters.
exactly, idk why nobody thinks about this, it was the perfect way to have all those characters movesets represented without taking up all the work of having to model each of them out completely and they are all similar enough that it doesn't feel weird
He did Nemesis so dirty cutting him, especially with how cool he is in Infinite. Why would you give us Ada but remove Nemmy?! Makes me think they havent even tackled Nemmy in the Beyond Mod LOL
The answer is Max loves Wesker too much, and he's the resi villain spot for him, tho as much as I love him too, I would pick nemesis, he's kinda too big to ignore (literally lol)
Ngl, it would be nice to have some not movie Marvel characters somewhere in the 30 character list. Black Heart, Dormammu, Nova, Iron Fist, and Shuma Gorath all had no movie/tv-show adaptations when they were included into MvC2, and MvC3/UMvC3. Literally all of them have been in movies or TV shows now, but including "random" characters is how you can grow their popularity in the first place. I have a sneaking suspicion Max hasn't read a comic that featured Blackheart as a villain, and likely didn't even know he was the villain of the Ghost Rider movie. Despite that, he was added to his list cause of he was added as a "random" Marvel character in the previous Marvel FGs. I think it would have been good to reach for some characters based on chat's recommendation here to cover the Marvel knowledge gap.
I made this observation when I was younger and it still holds up: Fanmade MvC rosters NEVER have an objectively good balance of character picks. (mind-blowing, i know) While it's all very subjective in the end, it's blatant when the fanmade roster was put together by either a Capcom/Fighting game fan or a genuine comic book fan.
A Capcom side either has beloved classic characters from throughout Capcom's history; or has picks exclusively limited to modern mainstream titles that are only popular today. A Marvel side either has timeless iconic heroes and quintessential villains with unique powers each; or it has Miles on it.
@@nightwish1453agreed. It's not that miles is not unique but he is in the same category as a shoto, like Ryu and Ken. Both have similar backbone but with some differences. To me you either pick the 3 Spidey, Miles and Venom and leave out Carnage or swap him with Venom or Miles.
True, Max even acknowledges that after he finished it, you can tell that it's a roster made by a Capcom fan with only surface level knowledge of Marvel. The actual devs would probably be able to make a rather balanced list. Fun to see what people come up with, though.
If we do get a Marvel guest in SF6, it might actually be Killmonger. Nakayama said in a Game Informer (R.I.P.) interview that Killmonger is the Marvel character that he wants in Street Fighter the most.
@@Neoxon619 I hate it. If Cyclops was the true FINAL SF6 DLC character, and the trailer is Cyclops and Ryu recreating the MvC handshake? MvC4 confirmed.
I know that the MvC original characters, like Ruby Heart and Amingo, are most definitely not coming back for base roster, but I would hope that at least one of them does make it in as dlc (probably Ruby, but my personal bias pick would be Sonson).
@@H1_R3Z : I sadly agree with you, though personally I'd pick Amingo to come back. A lot of things about him give off the kind of "light(er)-hearted fun" tone that a Phoenix Wright-type character can give, and I feel his moveset has enough variety to be interesting, but with the color pallets and style the VS games have taken lately I think it would be too much tonal dissonance.
Even as a "fighting game savant," his picks make for a boring game from a gameplay perspective. 9 shotos, lots of other overlaps (I love Gief and Haggar, but having both is redundant), very few creative picks that would have fun or unique fighting styles. The creative ones he did include are mainly from old games. And I say this as someone whose tastes and wishes are very well represented, at least on the Capcom side.
Personal pick of mine that should be in is Scarlet Witch. She’s incredibly popular right now. She’s an X-Men villain, Avengers hero, and a brand new female fighter, and probably has an install super 🌝
If Marvel vs. Capcom 4 does become a thing, Lady D will be revealed as a main roster member in the original unveiling video. And Doctor Strange would be in it for his pre-match intro saying "Dormammu I've come to bargain" and Dormammu would just rage in reply.
Making a Marvel roster without the Fantastic Four is like making a Capcom roster without any Mega Man, but all you kids won't understand that 'til next year.
Bruh Megaman is like not having spiderman, no, fantastic four is like not having phoenix Wright, a clear side of said company that many people love but isn't thought about enough by the wider populace. I suppose that could change with them coming back, but before that people haven't known them for a while (mostly due to lack of movies)
The F4 absolutely need to be in the next MvC game, either with all 4 members having their own slots, or have a 4-in-1 fighter where like Reed or The Thing are the lead, and the other 3 members can get called in for assists (like how Ginyu works in DBFZ). They're way too important to Marvel Comics, plus if the next game is called MvC4, it's the perfect time to finally add them.
Hello? Hello? Martial Arts? Are you there? Daredevil? Moon Knight? Shang FREAIKING Chi? Y'know the "master" of something or other? Iron Fist? Elektra? Bullseye? the Taskmaster? Geez.......... :3
No offense Max but that roster is kind of mediocre. Replace Sentinel with Apocalypse and cut down some of the X-Men reps for some new blood like say Ms. Marvel and Viv Vision for starters. Same deal with Capcom, too much Street Fighter. I'm gonna say the same thing I said during MvC3's hype: People who make rosters like this don't seem to really want more Marvel vs Capcom as much they just want more X-Men vs Street Fighter.
Yeah and too many characters from one single franchise. Like if we're gonna put MegaMan characters either go for tronn bonne and zero or something more interesting, like Volnutt and gba zero or exe MegaMan. But more than two or 3 characters per series is too much even for street fighter.
Eh I like Viv but I don’t think she has that level of fame yet to be part of the roster. Ms Marvel though even before her McU debut now that’s a different story.
Man, imagine a pre-match banter between Ed Falcon and Thanos where they’re both convinced one is after the other’s Power Stones. That kind of stuff is what makes these games for me.
I think a good idea is that every marvel character should have a capcom equivalent. Not necessarily clones, but thematic similarities. Trailers revealing both of them at once could be fun.
It definitely is. While it's definitely all about the faces, you can definitely argue that sometimes that's all you need especially when we would likely love these choices compared to an official one.
Call me crazy, but I genuinely think the next Marvel vs Capcom game should have 100 characters. 50 characters on each side for the fifth mainline entry makes sense to me, as ambitious as it may sound.
How about a totally new Marvel fighting game with 100 marvel characters instead? Give me Tekken 8 / Sparking Zero type gameplay in 3D with the roster size of SZ (164 chars). The only crossover I'd accept is Marvel vs. DC. Not interested in Capcom characters in a marvel game
@@brucewayne9636 If we went the SZ route, I'd say just make a crossover of Super Heroes and villains from various comic book companies. Like a Project X Zone kind of collaboration between Marvel, DC, Image and maybe Dark Horse as well as a guest character from Shonen Jump.
@@brucewayne9636 I want a Capcom designed fighting game, not just a Marvel franchise game, so it would be great if it had both Marvel and Capcom characters. We were waiting 4 years because we wanted Capcom specifically to do the next MvC game as well as free the release f MvC 2.
How about Knull (god of symbiotes) or Kang? These characters either have been team-up potential or have a relationship with multiversal/time travel. From the Capcom side, how about demon god Mundus?
"how many new characters" is funny to count up that way, I get you're looking at it in terms of resource management, asset reuse, etc, but the actual answer across the whole series is like 7 Marvel 8 Capcom in base game...
Yep it most definitely is. Look I know people adore their 90s nostalgia and the mutants are on an upswing thanks to X-Men 97 and Deadpool & Wolverine. I love the X-Men as much as the next person with X-Men VS Street Fighter as the one I’m most excited for in the collection, but gosh darn it they do not take up all of Marvel. And yes MVCI massively screwed up with the X-Men exclusion because of copyright nonsense but that does not mean the next MvC has to be the inverse of it as some divine retribution.
@@myriadmediamusings I agree. Marvel vs Capcom should be that and IMHO, we shouldn't have a good chunk of the roster be dedicated to the 90s crowd who were too into mutants and SF. It's probably why I favor MvC3's roster over MvC2's and Infinite's.
@@dnmstarsiUMVC3 I agree is the best overall roster that gives a pretty good encapsulation of Marvel’s and Capcom’s respective histories. The rosters of the 90s games were good for their time but now in the 2020s with both companies having so much under them now, it’s gonna be so damn difficult making a roster that’s gonna try to balance things.
@@myriadmediamusings Exactly this, the Marvel side of the roster has to be balanced and include some underrated characters too, that's what makes the UMVC3 roster so great, you get the popular characters from the most important sides of Marvel (Avengers, X-Men, Fantastic Four, Spider-Man related characters) and then you also get Nova, Taskmaster, Iron Fist, Shuma Gorath, She-Hulk, Rocket Raccoon, etc
@@omegazer0800I think Marvel Rivals does a pretty good job at balancing representations with popular and odball characters. Something like that would be great in a new MVC
Trust me, absolutely nobody's roster will ever be 100% perfect when it comes to Marvel vs Capcom, as there is just simply way too many characters from both sides to choose from.
@@NiiRubra true but that was also an age of no dlc. Nowadays I always disagree with this point because the people who want the same roster each time are arguably the minority now, the overuse of SF2 cast in 6 was hated and for good reason.
@@Plasmacat1 you can do that without using the same ol characters. Like I love Max and I love the character but “normie” people don’t give a shit about Strider. There’s a way to give characters that haven’t had a shot yet and still keep SOME staples without making a copy and paste roster. No modern FG player amongst the average masses wants to see regular old alpha Ryu, the want the new one they’ve seen in 6.
@@NiiRubra which is kind of funny to this day as street fighter 2 they always try and bring as many from that game a lot of the time especially with 6, 5 was interesting at inserting more alpha initially with Nash, Karin, Birdie and Mika all were from the start and i think people hated it along with a lot of other issues with it, but then when arcade edition that was when a lot of 2 reps came in. 3 and 4 reps just don't have a strong history at sticking the landing at their new characters it seems and I do see a lot of people demanding 3 characters a lot, 4 arguably being worse as it always centres around juri and so few else other then like new seth from 5 and c.viper. we will see how many of 5 will get in 6 but it's funny how the new characters that were DLC are more memorable then most of those from the initial launch
I don't think "hasn't been in one for a long time" is a good qualification, as, in an ideal scenario, most people playing a new MvC game will have never played one before.
I’m pretty sure max’ only exposure to marvel is from the 90s cartoon and then previous mvc games. Goddamn the number of random X-men from the 90s cartoon that max thinks are essential, like half of them absolutely aren’t getting in lol
@@landanross2966If nothing else he at least admits it, so there is something to be kinda respected for sticking with his opinions…even if it clashes horribly with this view he has of being a “Marvel VS Capcom expert”.
Green Goblin, please...how have we not gotten more proper Spidey villains in this series except Venom? Doctor Octopus, Mysterio, Electro, the list goes on.
@@myriadmediamusings It goes to show that Max is really trying to making excuses on why Marvel’s should be mainstream. I think a majority of Marvel fans want their deep cut character in, it shouldn’t be regulated to only Capcom. A weird ass take from Max honestly.
@@thefvguy5648And this is why Max is good and fun to watch for fighting games and not as an online critic that understands the intricacies and importance of these characters outside the fighting game sphere.
iirc Guardians and Doctor Strange weren't mainstream yet when Marvel 3 came out. I don't doubt they were already planned but, at least to me, I didn't know who these characters were lmao
There were so many deep cuts in MvC3. Dormammu, S-Skrull, Modok, Taskmaster, Sentinel, Shuma, Iron Fist, Nova, Rocket. You could make a case for She-Hulk, Hawkeye, Strange and GR too. MvC:I was almost the near opposite of that.
Desperately need Jon Talbain in new content. The fact that he's consistently been top 3 or 4 Darkstalkers and never gets into anything is insane. No fighting games, no collabs, bro wasn't even in Project XZone but fuckin Pyron was??? Who looks at karate werewolf man who shoots fire dragons and goes "no thank you"
It's honestly criminal that the only Spider-Man villain we've ever got in a versus game was Venom (and even then he's been more of an anti-hero longer than he's been a villain). Spider-Man has such a cool and memorable rogues gallery that could make for really cool fighting game characters. Green Goblin, Doc Ock, Electro, Sandman, Hydroman, Carnage, Kraven, and so on.
@@RednekGamurz So true, Doc Ock with his extra arms would be a beast, Kraven could be a Trap based fighter and Sandman would be like Glacius from Killer Instinct, forming weapons out of his body. Seriously, their potential is crazy.
Moon Knight is a tremendously underrated character. I've been a BIG fan of Moon Knight since the sort-of-reboot around the mid to late 2000's and his appearance in Ultimate Alliance. I think he would fit into a fighting game very well.
If the goal for marvel is moving towards ‘young avengers’ I’d want Kate bishop Hawkeye and Kamala khan ms marvel. If we have to boot 2 characters I’d say omega red (possibly similar gameplay to doc ock) and punisher (too similar to Deadpool play style wise)
Ms. Marvel's probably up there with Miles Spidey as being safe bets for MvC4, but you raise a good point about Kate Bishop also repping the Young Avengers.
I think X Men vs Street Fighter 2 should be the first game of the revival. Between X Men 97 and SF6's popularity it would be all killer no filler. Use assets from SF6. Make Spider Man DLC to get a taste of the expanded Marvel Universe and get everyone hyped for Marvel 4 in the future.
💯 agree I’d actually prefer that game tbh. X-men is by far my favorite way ahead of any other marvel property & I only care about SF & nothing else capcom related. Even though there’s a few on here complaining I think many think like me those two franchises started the crossovers!!
@@myriadmediamusings There's one restriction: Nobody but Sony can make X-Men-specific games until 2035. Likewise, while you *CAN* include X-Men characters in Marvel-wide games, they can't make up the majority of said roster.
@Neoxon619 Unfortunately sony isn't making an x-men game until 2030 so I don't see why they even have the rights now if they wanted to wait that long. Just frustrating for players.
Vergil isnt just a DLC character. He is literally "THE SPECIAL EDITION" character. If anything, he should be on his own tier called Special Edition Roster
Pre order DLC character😂
Yes Vergil and Akuma always the year 2 update revive hype
Lore-accurate tier.
Thanks I hate it and bought it Twice...
@@qxponix589 Especially if we actually had 80 characters with this roster right here. Like seriously, if this game sold this well with this hot take of a roster, it really shows to never underestimate the MvC2 era crew. LOL
The fact that The Punisher has never been in a Marvel vs Capcom game considering how important he is to the Marvel vs Capcom series is a FUCKING CRIME
The Punisher's beat em up game was literally the first project Marvel and Capcom created together and it ended up being a success, slowing spawning the MvC games. There is a FUCKING REASON why Capcom put the Punisher game in the Marvel vs Capcom fighting game collection
The Punisher needs to a priority in the next Marvel vs Capcom game or I will be disappointed
That's the end of my little rant. Fun video as always Max
Punisher is not an interplanetary type superhero who fights aliens and super beings. He fights mafia bsses and ultra financially powerful guys like Kingpin.
Problem is he's just regular gun man, and many other characters fill that niche. He was in consideration for MvC3, but he didn't go further for that reason.
@Potidaon Chris Redfield is just a regular gun man and he still made it in a Marvel vs Capcom game, why can't Punisher be in a game???
@@DDXNinja Phoenix Wright is a Lawyer
I like to see Luke Cage in MvC 4 since his best friend Iron Fist in Ultimate MvC 3. He could say his catchphrase “Sweet Christmas.”👊🏾👊🏾
Lesson of the day: making a fighting game roster, especially a crossover one, is much harder than you’d think.
@@paperluigi6132 Thorgi knows that first hand. You gotta have that balance of icons and weirdos; it can't just be characters YOU want especially when you're a fan of a particular franchise or two.
@@dnmstarsi Ironically, Capcom actually cares more about some of the less popular games than fans do. In the TVC, there are Rival Schools, Lost Planet, Onimusha, and Quiz Nanairo Dreams Omokane , and even Sengoku BASARA and Gaia Master were considered.
@capstalker5539 even a regular roster is hard for a new ip
It's not that hard if you're working of a reasonable amount, don't have extremely limited interests, and don't act purely out of self-interest.
@@Potidaon It kinda is, dude especially for Marvel and Capcom and you have to work with a limited number of characters to add. Even when you try to find that balance of legacy characters and newcomers.
Plus people have been praising this as much as we've been criticizing it because let's be real, people would be okay with another MvC game where most of the roster is either X-Men or Street Fighter. Those two DID rule the 90s and the people who are trying to bring back MvC were there in the 90s and have been missing a lot of that charm since MvC3 understandably.
I love that Phoenix Wright gets in basically because he represents the non-meta of MvC where the character is just fun to watch people play or watch him do his thing. He won't win many, if any tournaments, but we're all happy having him in there.
As an Ace Attorney fan as well as a FGC fan, seeing that Phoenix was playable in the most iconic crossover series in the FGC made my life. Got me into watching Lythero and iHeartJustice initially for PW tutorials and gameplay until sticking around bc the content was too fire.
Phoenix embodies the spirit of "fuck it, who cares" when choosing your character, and that's gotta be there, you can't be fully serious with your roster.
@@NiiRubra Exactly, a company wide crossover need some "we put them in because it's fun" pick.
Im more AA than FGC but I cheered nonetheless when Wright was in UMVC3. He was freaking difficult to play but I didnt care he was so much fun.
@@GameAW1 why would it not be Apollo Justice? Get fresh faces in there
In a perfect world, I can rock a Venom, Doctor Doom, and Phoenix Wright team without mods...
You can do it in Marvel Rivals, just have to wait for either Daredevil or She-Hulk tho
In a perfect world, I can rock a Gambit, Leon Kennedy, and Dante team without mods...
In a perfect world every character slot is vergil@@alanelcanalla
@@LithiumBC In a perfect world, Im vergil
@@alanelcanalla ve v vergilv vergi, ve vergil
I just want J. Jonah Jameson as a guest announcer calling everyone freaks and telling them to go after Spider-man before the round starts.
that’s actually a really good idea, on the daily bugle stage maybe
just use the sf6 commentator system but make it J.J.
The lack of Ghost Rider on the Marvel side has me foaming at the mouth
Yeah you have Dormamu and Blackheart, might as well toss in Ghost Rider. Punisher and Daredevil are nice picks though!
@@MacUser2-il2cx Oh Daredevil is a top-tier pick. I personally think Black Widow would've been a good pick. Or Scarlet Witch.
It's crazy captain commando wasn't in the top 10 of capcom
Robbie Reyes and Johnny Blaze should both be playable, one being an alternate skin to the other. If that’s not possible though, it be cool to give Robbie Reyes Ghost Rider a chance in the spotlight as the playable Ghost Rider, Johnny Blaze still being in the game but as a extra in the stage background.
@@drax1526> NOT DEADPOOL
*Proceeds to go Berserker*
Whoever said remove Phoenix Wright I hope you experience every mild inconvenience known to man
i cast manual breathing, manual blinking, and pillow warm on both sides upon them
Phoenix Wright is as forgettable as his games
Never understood the hype behind this guy lol
@@Slayerofall21 So you were the guy in chat
@@Chido_Agent Sadly, I wasn't there when this stream happened........but I'd secretly wish I was lmao
No offense, but I NEVER liked Wright's series (I do like the character design, though. Franciska Von Karma is 100% lit)
And step on a Lego
You want a weird freak pick for Marvel? WHERE'S HOWARD THE DUCK?
Cosmo + starlord since u cant professor x on chair
J Jonah Jamison
I thought the same thing, Howard the Duck would be the perfect weird pick.
And we've done almost a lot of big bads from Marvel as boss characters like Apocalypse, Onslaught, Ultron Sigma, Ultron Omega, and Thanos.
If I were to recommend a new Boss character from Marvel, I would suggest Knull from the Thor comics (Look him up, he has a sick design..)
i want squirrel girl she is an incredibly stupid character concept and i love her
Probably would be someone like Hit Monkey, given the MCU.
"Robert Downey Jr. as Black Panther" got a genuine belly laugh out of me.
I almost spit out my drink
that was a tropic thunder reference yeah?
I'm just baffled that Terry Bogard wasn't included as the SF6 representative.
Marvel Vs. Capcom & SNK
That wouldve been an amazing loophole
“Arthur has had enough representation as is”
*puts half the cast of X-men and street fighter in the roster*
"Just as it should be." - Several people in this comment section.
Max proving he isn't as much of a Capcom fan as he claims.
It's really funny that Max is such a huge fan of this franchise and clearly hasn't cracked a comic since 1995.
@@megamandrn001 *Bold* of you to find him *that* current! xD
yes
Daredevil needs to be in a Marvel vs Capcom game. How hasn't it happened yet
Hell yes!
To be fair, he had an entire stage dedicated to him in MVC3 so he isn’t at least forgotten completely like some such as Leon S. Kennedy or The Sentry.
Nightcrawler too
The weird thing is, he IS in the background in MvC3 in the Shadowlands NY stage. Capcom literally wanted him in but Marvel insisted on MODOK. Because there is one guy in Marvel's lincensing who really likes that dumb little thing. It happened in MCP as well. AMG wanted their first wave to have Hulk vs Abomination, but they said "nope. MODOK."
It's weird that he hasn't been modded in yet to the best of my knowledge. His model is RIGHT THERE.
The same goes for Kingpin
Huh with that roster with being so predominantly X-Men, if I didn’t know any better, I would think what Max wants is not Marvel VS Capcom, but X-Men VS Capcom.
He's an old-school fighting game player, so I understand why it's filled with a lot of X-Men characters.
I mean, X-Men are part of the reason why this series exists in the first place and their omission from Infinite was a slap in the face.
Lmao + blade
I mean X-Men are fucking iconic. I don’t know why they’re isn’t a Marvel Fighting Game (Injustice Style)
I prefer that than MCU vs Capcom infinite
If anything, seeing Max's list (and Thorgi's list from his Make a Roster video, which Max looked at in the stream VOD) really makes me want to see a MvC4 roster from the perspective of a Marvel Comics-head.
I believe that the classic verus games where developed by Capcom people who knew some deep pulls which we never even heard about back in the day (we weren't reading the comics 😅), and I wonder if the Capcom of today, who could be making a MvC4, would be able to recreate that magic
Can't wait to be there to see though
I can contribute! I'm a big comics fan, and while I do better at Capcom character recognizability than most normies would, I still struggled putting my Capcom side together (it also unfortunately has a ton of SF characters)
My picks for Marvel started out the same; about half? three quarters? of mine matches Max's. The differences are that I put in Invisible Woman, Rocket/Groot, Spiral, X-23 (main roster), Angela, Moon Knight, Ghost Rider, Emma Frost, and Ms Marvel.
That's easy, since just like Max did, half of the roster are X-Men characters, the real question lies in how many will the Disney executives allow since there is no way the game is shipping without Rocket Raccoon, Avengers like Scarlet Witch, Black Panther or Captain Marvel...
Judging from this list, makes me think Max doesn’t want Marvel vs Capcom 4 but rather X-men vs Street Fighter 2 🤣
But X-Men always has been a very important part of MvC's identity. Infinite being too focused on MCU characters is one of the reasons why people didn't like it as much.
@@fapuloes Except that MvC evolved past X-Men and Street Fighters with MvC3 plus X-Men ruled the 90s with SF so it makes sense to push those two more at the time but we're not in the 90s anymore and both Marvel and Capcom gave us several cool characters that were neither an mutant or a street fighter. Even with the latest success, let's not get crazy and that's saying something given MvC1.
@@fapuloesthat's cus infinite was based on the movies. X-Men are cool, but we gotta be more unique with the marvel AND Capcom characters, i fucking LOVED iron fist on umvc3 and so did Justin Wong.
@fapuloes X-Men have only been MOST of the Marvel roster in X-Men vs Street Fighter (hence the name) & MvC2. MSH vs SF & MvC1 had 2-3 playable X-Men reps in the games & MvC 3 had the perfect balance. Infinite was poorly liked because it was heavy MCU influenced which effected the music (which the MCU wasn't known for) & was at a time people were getting exhausted of the MCU putting synergy into everything Marvel made beyond the movies.
MvC2 is mostly x-men on the marvel side lol
"I don't have a single deep cut weirdo on the Marvel side"
Has Blackheart on the roster. Dude really doesn't know lol
And Dormammu already has pillar moves so Black Heart's novelty is kinda taken up gameplay wise.
I think the point is that they aren’t deep cuts as in…we know those characters because of previous MvC games at the very least.
In terms of fringe Marvel, I think things like Squirrel Girl, Elsa Bloodstone, and Mephisto.
It's bananas he has Miles as a seperate slot
@@GrandpaMunster86 he also said that the Silver Surfer is more popular than the F4. Maybe it was in the 90’s but not in modern day
@@megamandrn001 Not really. Miles has been a breakout hit for Marvel in recent years with Spider-Verse and the Insomniac games, and he's got powers that Capcom could use to make him feel different from Peter.
Also, Max has 4 Street Fighter shotos on Capcom's side. Dude's not gonna let similar movesets hold him back.
The absolute DISRESPECT to my boy Frank West is unacceptable!
He has covered wars, you know!
What if they don't put Frank West, or Chuck Greene or even Nick Ramos, but like Adam the Clown or Slappy?
Nah deserved for taking Leon's spot
@@sonarchy5158 Adam the Clown? That "wouldn't be ANY FUN at ALLLLLL!"
@@chewie6535 you should be saying that to Chris
Ripley likes Phoenix Wright??? That kid has potential.
I totally agree by the way, him being there just makes the game more fun.
Would be pretty funny if she ends up becoming a fan of Phoenix Wright’s games themselves, considering how so little Max cares about them.
@@myriadmediamusings Ripley becoming a VN fan and be ass at fighting games would be sweet sweet irony
@@parry3439nah, go all the way. She loves all the stuff that Max doesn’t and hates most of the stuff he likes.
@@paperluigi6132Hmm well I do remember one stream moment where Funcle Kenny got Ripley one of those tiny Pac-Man Arcade 1Ups. Ripley looked like she was really into it. Max sounded disappointed and didnt want her to become a Pac-Man main.
He's a meme character but seeing how people make him top tier just on how they know what he can do and how to work with it is just amazing.
MvC's roster is a very delicate balance for me. Unlike something like Street Fighter or Guilty Gear where literally ANYONE can be included, I personally believe MvC needs a certain balance achieved, at least in terms of flavor. You can add as many Chris Redfields or Haggars as you want, but you also need to even it out with characters like Amaterasu, Jedah, or even ones like Sigma or Nemesis.
The reason why is simply, we need characters that provide that air where both sides feel equal in terms of power. Marvel's side will always have the heavy hitters like Magneto, Hulk, or even literal gods like Dormammu and Shuma Gorath.
What we also need is characters that can match their power, or can still make sense flavor wise, alongside the ones everyone likes.
THAT'S why people want characters like Gill and Asura. Sigma and Jedah felt PERFECT for MvCI because they were characters that felt like they could stand amongst the giants of Marvel. I don't even play a lot of those characters but I do feel like those types of characters are important for such a colorful series as this.
Dormammu and Shuma Gorath are not to be excluded or underestimated when MVC4 comes.
i agree and i think its because its 2 very different companies and they have to have "somewhat" equal representation to each other.
30:51 Capcom abandoned a LOT of IPs over the years, so most people wouldn't know shit about them. Some haven't been around for 20 years as far as having their own games. Darkstalkers is forever stuck in the 90s.
My guy made the roster into X-Men and friends vs Street Fighter and friends 💀
It's simply the MvC2 way
there is still a shit ton of avengers in there tbh, more than mvc2 had
I mean, that is how this all started.
The way the Lord intended, it's easy to forget people were actually pretty upset with the mvc3 roster back in the day because of the lack of X-Men compared to previous titles in a lot of the cast were very new plus no Venom or Mega Man
xmen are less than half the base roster and sf are just 7 chill out
Man, Gene from Godhand would be amazing. It's a shame how poorly that game got treated.
This makes me wonder what would happen if two people worked on one of these "build the roster" sheets -- one Capcom nerd, one Marvel geek -- and see what would happen when you meshed their ideas together in this format.
@@SeanLifeFlame If they implemented rival battles and/or partnerships, it would be interesting to see who'd be paired with who.
"Vergil will always be DLC" he says as he makes Vergil base roster
Just goes to show how incredibly expansive both sides are, when an 80 character roster looks... small.
60
@@Onako-yf5pmthe DLC too
Whoof. Whoever had the Doctor Octopus idea is a genius.
Doc Ock is a character Capcom developed for MVC3, but was cut at the last minute (along with Frank West, but at least Frank was able to get into Ultimate MVC3 later). People even found on the game's data the doc ock char icon from the character select screen
I want Magik in a MvC so bad. Her anime sword, portals, demon summons, and demon transformations would be perfect for this game
Magik is PERFECT for MvC. I’d honestly get rid of Dr. Strange and have her replace him
@@tokyotourist I like Strange too, but if I have to pick, Magik all day
I really think Lady Dimitrescu would be an interesting addition, especially if she has her three daughters as attacks. Even if she not a full character, I think she would be a great Mid-boss encounter
@@OrgXIII4U yes!
I can't wait to see her and Blade trash talk each other
im here for this comment
@@chronoplex89 : You KNOW Deadpool would have MANY things to say to and about her!
"Oh look! Another mommy with a 'D' that's obsessed with me! *turns to camera and whispers* And I saw your Rule 34 stuff at the announcement, you pervs."
@@spoonimefan also she will probably say something irritable to Magneto since Heisenberg favor him in abilities. Of course Magneto will likely silence her by wrapping a metal strip around her mouth. Referencing X-Men 97
I humbly submit Gwenpool for MvC consideration:
-Representation of newer Marvel comics, at least relatively speaking
-I think MvC needs characters that haven't been in movies, some of the relatively obscure picks. Much like how Marvel Rivals has put a massive spotlight on characters like Galacta or Jeff the Shark that non comic readers won't know about. While the Capcom side is always going to use deeper cuts, I think the Marvel side just being MCU superstars would get dull
-Would incorporate comic book imagery into her moveset, which would be pretty great to see in MvC (for those unfamiliar, she jumps between & breaks comic book panels) and bring some fun elements Deadpool had to a far more extreme level
Also, I kinda want Zack & Wiki too but that's definitely just raw bias lmao
I think moon knight would be a cool addition
Heck yeah, man!
Cant wait to see his level 3 hyper, "Random Bullshit, Go!" clinch Evo 2028
Its a mcu char. Easy layup
Its a mcu char. Easy layup
Moon Knight seems like the kind of character that gets added in like the fourth or fifth update.
Jon Talbain feels like an "always a bridesmaid, never a bride" type character. He's gotta be in.
I'd also like Gill for the sole reason that he was cut from MvCI.
I cannot argue with your logic dude. Its perfectly said
We also need Edward Falcon in the game for some Power Stone rep. Power Stone has been shafted by Capcom for too dang long.
I would put Demitri over Ken for a shoto character, in fact. The problem is Vampire characters have very little representation apart of Morrigan and the occasional Anakaris, people is not very used to see spooky anime characters but they are so cool. Also I feel Jedah should be in, he is a very striking figure.
Gill is an interesting choice, we’ve never had a SF3 character in a MVC unless you count Alex in TVC.
Agreed. I would chop Bison for Gill. His cheap boss level moveset from Sf3 and illuminati god style swagger is story and voice call is all in.
I really am a fuckin' tourist, it felt like half of the time I was just thinking "who tf is that?" Or "really? That guy?"
Tbf if it wasn’t for MvC we also wouldn’t know half of these guys
A rule of thumb for making a MVC roster should be that the maximum amount of representatives one franchise can have is 5, if both players can choose all their character from the same franchise and non is the same I think you did something wrong.
Max siding with more X-Men and Street Fighter characters isn't surprising given his history with the franchise and how the earlier entries were more focused on those two franchises. My guess is MVC4's roster would likely be shaped like UMVC3, a balance between X-Men, Avengers, and villains on the Marvel side and a wide mix of franchises for Capcom. As much as people like the X-Men, it's not the 90s anymore where the Avengers and other Marvel properties didn't have any popular media adaptations like the X-Men did and where we could just recycle Street Fighter Alpha sprites 20 times.
Outside of Spider-Man, the X-Men are still the most popular Marvel Franchise even today despite the MCU.
@danielcraig9666 Are they? I mean, they're still big, but they're hardly on top of the world. The Avengers may not rule pop culture anymore, but their reign was far more recent, and there are more people around today who see them as the faces of Marvel over the mutants.
@@brycebitetti1402 Deadpool and Wolverine...
@@danielcraig9666That's different, though. Deadpool and Wolverine are popular on a level that far exceeds X-Men as a whole.
@@djbubblegum9975 No, they're X-Men properties.
MAJOR RESPECT for adding Jubilee. Makes no sense why a character with the power to charge and detonate atoms like Gambit can but with the force of nukes, and can do it even from a distance hasn't been playable. And that's just in her regular form. If they went with her depowered Wondra form, now she has a power suit that gives super strength, flight, temp invulnerability. And if we go with her Vampire form, super strength, speed, turning into mist, etc. If we go with her more matured regular form that we have currently in the comics, you can add a oversized full grown adopted Dragon to the lineup. A character with all that and one seriously amazing backstory including saving Wolverine from dying, should definitely be playable.
12:11 I feel like if MvC3 had come out 2 years later, we'd have got Juri instead of Viper.
No doubt
I always thought this franchise could be a really great space to reimagine Street Fighter characters. Blanka with projectile electricity. Juggernaut-size Zangief. Super armor Balrog. Stuff that would be impossible in the mainline games.
Imagine a Sentinel-sized Hugo…
I always wished Blanka was in MVC2 over someone like Guile since Charlie already exists, Hulk even has an ending in MSHvsSF with him interacting with Blanka and its wholesome, check it when you can. We should also get Max to “rate the endings” from every game.
Don't think we wanna get another Abigail on our hands.
Let's be honest with ourselves. I don't think that a casual audience would want a "retooled" version of Ryu. That's a very bad idea I'm not going to hold you. I think we should just leave all the characters alone and leave the retooling for their main series
@@daymonharris8696 You write like a malfunctioning AI and what you're saying makes no sense. They already retooled Ryu, you dunce. Geez! I sure do love Ryu's air fireball in the main series games.
I want The Arisen. Give them the hybrid vocations and make them a summoner who commands the Pawns. Have the Pawns be the different basic vocations. Then you get this character who can set up and mix you with various combinations of weapon types and summons.
Or Tessa from Red Earth!
@@Dracobyte Sure, that's BASICALLY the exact same thing but in an entirely similar universe! xD
Apparently people have been asking for Asura from Asura’s Wrath for YEARS
Yeah, he would've been absolutely perfect for the game.
From what I heard, he was planned before support for Infinite stopped.
I kinda wanna see Asura crossing over with Hulk.
I don't think we can trust Marvel and Disney for Asura to be in MVC after the Star Wars sequels, She-Hulk, the Marvels, and every recent failures they produce nowadays.
How do those failures relate specifically to Asura?@dee_dee4640
Max hate for Frank West never Ends still salty he took Leon spot 😅
@@000mjd His childish tantrum it's getting old
Better not tell him that if we get a new MVC, Frank has his guaranteed roster slot, thanks to the Deluxe Remaster 🤭
he’s not wrong per se. Leon did get robbed, arguably one of Capcom’s most iconic characters of all time, def deserves a spot imo
Yeah though I will say we should add a Dead Rising rep regardless like say Chuck Greene.
@@000mjd
Which is weird since Frank is way cooler than Leon.
@@thefvguy5648 DAAAAMN those are some FIGHTIN WORDS!
How on earth did you put in so many Street Fighter characters but forget Rashid, the SF character who most seems like he belongs in MvC??
@@Zevox87 Because it was mainly a personal roster. Part what people would want to see and part what would work nowadays and unfortunately, Rashid kinda missed the boat on Capcom's part.
I'm persnally not a fan of Rashid. He's like a C-Tier when it comes to popularity.
You mean Gill.
He's kinda a "Who?"
SFV originals never really got popular with casuals.
If the next MVC doesn’t have Jack Baker summoning a car and doing donuts in his super then I don’t fucking want it
He calls up Jack and the other Bakers
Me who knows the recent failures that Disney and the MCU produce:
Yeah no. I don't think it is a good idea for a new MVC game after how the Marvel and Disney movies fumbled.
don't you mean Jack Baker? He is the one who drives Ethan's car. Joe Baker is Jack's brother, and he punches a lot
@@satosabrino9209 dammit
@@dee_dee4640Disney aren’t the ones who would actually make the game, dude. Disney has no hand in the video games besides giving permission to use the characters. And I’m not sure if you’ve noticed, but Marvel games are doing very well right now. Spider-Man 2, Guardians of the Galaxy, Midnight Suns, Marvel Rivals, etc.
Max, I love you. But that Marvel side is almost CvS levels of franchise bias. 3 had it best in the variety of at least spitting things up well.
I like Miles and he can be very different from Peter, but Moon Knight is begging to do lvl 3 throw random shit.
@@fordesponja Keep Miles and have Moon Knight take up one of the 15 X-Men spots Max put in there.
@fordesponja I need Moon Knight to talk shit about Dracula oweing him money even though that panel isn't real. Or Luke Cage being pissed Doom never gave him the money he owes still.
@@fordesponjaMiles could be an alternative skin for Parker’s Spider-Man.
@@comicking428 The problem is those X-men are really core to the franchise and have different styles of combat. I don't have a problem with ditching Ken, Akuma and, to some extent, Sakura because they are all shotos, I'd rather have Demitri or Lilith over Ken any day of the week if we even have to put another shoto style character in his place. But who you take out of the X-men? They are a very varied bunch.
Am I the only person in existence that has absolutely no interest in ever seeing Sentinel again? Can we not just maybe have the OG giant dumb one as a bonus stage boss or something? I would have taken Juggernaut, Collosus or almost any big Marvel character over him.
Silly max, there’s already been an ultimate roster. It’s called *Ultimate* Marvel VS Capcom 3
The best VS series roster overall and I don’t care if the entire X-Men community is gonna throw food at me.
Naaah there is no Venom, no Gambit, no Blade, no Cable, no Punisher, no Thanos for instance.
love how his roster of marvel is 80% X-MEN
As much as i abuse Virgil and Wesker on my team. I wouldn't mind pairing them with Gambit or Ken :(
@@xerospades Ken? Really? If you told me it was somebody like Gill, Urien or even Johan Petrovich, I'd understand, but Ken? Who is basically Blonde Ryu?
We already have Akuma. The less shotos, the better
Bass.EXE would be perfect, one of the best villans from the Mega Man series period.
And any sort of Battle network representation would be an amazing inclusion in the VS series.
It's absence is noticeable
TRUE, just image hellz roll everything and summon gospel and falzar to do crazy attacks
I love the X Men too but he went way overboard with them especially if he's going for the health of the game LOL
I probably would've capped the X characters with Wolverine, Deadpool, Cyclops, Gambit and maybe Magneto at a stretch. Others can be DLC characters
@@pop000690 I don't think X-Men will go beyond Wolverine, Magneto, Storm, either Cyclops or Gambit and Scarlet Witch due to legal issues involving Insomniac, where the last one counts as a mutant, while Deadpool doesn't...
And that's without considering Disney's priorities at the time, maybe they'll want more Fantastic 4 chars this time around, like The Thing and there's no way Rocket, Captain Marvel, Black Panther and Shang-Chi will be passed-off!
@@michaelriverside1139Ain't nobody in the mainstream know Shang-Chi from anything other than bargain stores being flooded with figures from the flop movie.
Max this has made me realize how much I want you to build a mugen. It would be awesome for you to build an entire crossover fighting game roster
For the Marvel vs Capcom 4 roster, I would take a page from Professor Thorgi. Split the 60 characters down the middle, 30 for Marvel and 30 for Capcom. Then split those in half for 15 returning characters and 15 new characters. It would not be easy to decide who stays and who goes. But the challenge would make some fascinating rosters.
I actually think this would have been a great way to tackle making the roster
30:00 "For the normies" Saying that with OMEGA RED as DLC is crazy.
Not having Ghost Rider is a crime
Nobody cares about Nicholas Cage.
@@KirbyOnCronic man the hate lmao
@@KirbyOnCronic That shit is irrelevant
Make Ryu like he was in MVC1, where he transforms into Ken and Akuma. That way you have space for someone else.
exactly, idk why nobody thinks about this, it was the perfect way to have all those characters movesets represented without taking up all the work of having to model each of them out completely and they are all similar enough that it doesn't feel weird
if it has a Smash Bros budget we could have both
Hell no. Get rid of Akuma and put Ken.
@@JaemeelRobinson Better yet. Don't put Ken at all and get one of the new guys from 6
@@Slayerofall21 better yet, put Ken, Terry and a new person from 6.
0:47 AGREED. i loved it and i released it after the thanos license snap. Its been so long Tony… dont go playing with time machines! 😂😂😂
Whoa Three Robert Downey Jr's in one list your crazy max. Ironman, Doctor Doom, and Black Panther, this is too much RDJ rep my guy.
He said he wanted a monster character and nemesis was standing right there and he wasn’t picked
my boy....my poor sweet boy
He did Nemesis so dirty cutting him, especially with how cool he is in Infinite. Why would you give us Ada but remove Nemmy?!
Makes me think they havent even tackled Nemmy in the Beyond Mod LOL
It wasn't on the list, but it honestly should have been Mr X. Or Lady D. Probably Lady D.
The answer is Max loves Wesker too much, and he's the resi villain spot for him, tho as much as I love him too, I would pick nemesis, he's kinda too big to ignore (literally lol)
@@jexusdomel5194 How do you cut the character who's block animation is just STANDING THERE MENACINGLY
Ngl, it would be nice to have some not movie Marvel characters somewhere in the 30 character list. Black Heart, Dormammu, Nova, Iron Fist, and Shuma Gorath all had no movie/tv-show adaptations when they were included into MvC2, and MvC3/UMvC3. Literally all of them have been in movies or TV shows now, but including "random" characters is how you can grow their popularity in the first place. I have a sneaking suspicion Max hasn't read a comic that featured Blackheart as a villain, and likely didn't even know he was the villain of the Ghost Rider movie. Despite that, he was added to his list cause of he was added as a "random" Marvel character in the previous Marvel FGs.
I think it would have been good to reach for some characters based on chat's recommendation here to cover the Marvel knowledge gap.
I made this observation when I was younger and it still holds up:
Fanmade MvC rosters NEVER have an objectively good balance of character picks. (mind-blowing, i know)
While it's all very subjective in the end, it's blatant when the fanmade roster was put together by either a Capcom/Fighting game fan or a genuine comic book fan.
A Capcom side either has beloved classic characters from throughout Capcom's history; or has picks exclusively limited to modern mainstream titles that are only popular today.
A Marvel side either has timeless iconic heroes and quintessential villains with unique powers each; or it has Miles on it.
@@pokeman5699cmon don’t hate on miles, miles has unique spiderman powers they could do stuff with
@@landanross2966while that’s true the physicality being so dang similar is what hurts the most
@@nightwish1453agreed. It's not that miles is not unique but he is in the same category as a shoto, like Ryu and Ken. Both have similar backbone but with some differences. To me you either pick the 3 Spidey, Miles and Venom and leave out Carnage or swap him with Venom or Miles.
True, Max even acknowledges that after he finished it, you can tell that it's a roster made by a Capcom fan with only surface level knowledge of Marvel. The actual devs would probably be able to make a rather balanced list. Fun to see what people come up with, though.
Look, idc if Megaman X is being overrepresented or not. Give me Vile.
that would be sick
You my man have excellent taste
I would take Vile. I'd also take Megaman Zero.
@@Nicholas86753 Get Classic MM and Tron out and put X, Zero, Vile and Bass.EXE (with Dr. Weil or one the 4 Guardians as DLC)
Perfection
Yessssssssss
I WILL DIE ON THIS HILL, Cyclops should be a guest character in SF6.
If we do get a Marvel guest in SF6, it might actually be Killmonger. Nakayama said in a Game Informer (R.I.P.) interview that Killmonger is the Marvel character that he wants in Street Fighter the most.
@@Neoxon619 I hate it. If Cyclops was the true FINAL SF6 DLC character, and the trailer is Cyclops and Ryu recreating the MvC handshake? MvC4 confirmed.
@@dnyce1095 SF6 is gonna be around for a good long while, we may very well get MvC4 before SF6 support is even close to over.
I know that the MvC original characters, like Ruby Heart and Amingo, are most definitely not coming back for base roster, but I would hope that at least one of them does make it in as dlc (probably Ruby, but my personal bias pick would be Sonson).
@@H1_R3Z : I sadly agree with you, though personally I'd pick Amingo to come back. A lot of things about him give off the kind of "light(er)-hearted fun" tone that a Phoenix Wright-type character can give, and I feel his moveset has enough variety to be interesting, but with the color pallets and style the VS games have taken lately I think it would be too much tonal dissonance.
SonSon is best girl
o.o !! GIVE ME MAH MON-KEIGH!! >.< xD
The last 5 SonSon enjoyers on earth seen gathering.
Respect
I feel like Max wants a roster that appeals to MVC fans rather than Marvel and Capcom fans
To be fair he is a fighting game savant first and foremost, so it is understandable even if it is also disappointing.
Even as a "fighting game savant," his picks make for a boring game from a gameplay perspective. 9 shotos, lots of other overlaps (I love Gief and Haggar, but having both is redundant), very few creative picks that would have fun or unique fighting styles. The creative ones he did include are mainly from old games. And I say this as someone whose tastes and wishes are very well represented, at least on the Capcom side.
@myriadmediamusings im hyper into the FGC too but I also wouldnt make a list if I didn't know much about present Marvel iconography
Of those 2 which one will even know of, let alone buy and play the game?
@@Potidaon yep all those resident evil characters for example are wasted slots they would all have the same boring gameplay
Personal pick of mine that should be in is Scarlet Witch. She’s incredibly popular right now. She’s an X-Men villain, Avengers hero, and a brand new female fighter, and probably has an install super 🌝
If Marvel vs. Capcom 4 does become a thing, Lady D will be revealed as a main roster member in the original unveiling video. And Doctor Strange would be in it for his pre-match intro saying "Dormammu I've come to bargain" and Dormammu would just rage in reply.
Making a Marvel roster without the Fantastic Four is like making a Capcom roster without any Mega Man, but all you kids won't understand that 'til next year.
dangerously based
Bruh Megaman is like not having spiderman, no, fantastic four is like not having phoenix Wright, a clear side of said company that many people love but isn't thought about enough by the wider populace. I suppose that could change with them coming back, but before that people haven't known them for a while (mostly due to lack of movies)
The F4 absolutely need to be in the next MvC game, either with all 4 members having their own slots, or have a 4-in-1 fighter where like Reed or The Thing are the lead, and the other 3 members can get called in for assists (like how Ginyu works in DBFZ). They're way too important to Marvel Comics, plus if the next game is called MvC4, it's the perfect time to finally add them.
What do you mean? Dr. Doom isn't enough Fantastic Four representation for you?
At least Human Torch made it in as DLC.
Hello? Hello? Martial Arts? Are you there? Daredevil? Moon Knight? Shang FREAIKING Chi? Y'know the "master" of something or other? Iron Fist? Elektra? Bullseye? the Taskmaster? Geez.......... :3
20:29 - No, you need Phoenix Wright so that somebody can send me to jail for what I'm about to do to the person that said "Remove Phoenix Wright"
No offense Max but that roster is kind of mediocre. Replace Sentinel with Apocalypse and cut down some of the X-Men reps for some new blood like say Ms. Marvel and Viv Vision for starters. Same deal with Capcom, too much Street Fighter.
I'm gonna say the same thing I said during MvC3's hype: People who make rosters like this don't seem to really want more Marvel vs Capcom as much they just want more X-Men vs Street Fighter.
Or X-Men Vs Capcom lmao
Nobody wants Viv.
Yeah and too many characters from one single franchise. Like if we're gonna put MegaMan characters either go for tronn bonne and zero or something more interesting, like Volnutt and gba zero or exe MegaMan.
But more than two or 3 characters per series is too much even for street fighter.
Sentinel is too important. Hes made a name for himself massively throughout MVC's life. I agree with the rest
Eh I like Viv but I don’t think she has that level of fame yet to be part of the roster.
Ms Marvel though even before her McU debut now that’s a different story.
As soon as I saw Loki I was like “he could be the Shang Tsung of MvC”, brilliant choice, I absolutely want that now
Man, imagine a pre-match banter between Ed Falcon and Thanos where they’re both convinced one is after the other’s Power Stones. That kind of stuff is what makes these games for me.
"I dunno it was some weird lookin' guy with a spandex red suit with a lightning bolt on it I swear, ask *him!"* xD
I think a good idea is that every marvel character should have a capcom equivalent. Not necessarily clones, but thematic similarities. Trailers revealing both of them at once could be fun.
The new MVC collection art did it right what with the two Caps, Iron Man and Mega Man, and of course Ryu and Cyclops.
Blade trailer where he’s hunting down Dimitri
Daredevil - Phoenix Wright
Shuma - Ingrid
Storm - Rashid
Black Widow - Jill/Regina/Ada
Elsa - BB hood
Werewolf by night - Jon Talbain
Yeah
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Doctor strange - Tessa
Donovan - Blade
Hayato (star gladiator) - Star Lord
Thor - Asura
Ryu - Iron Fist
Captain America - Guile
Captain Commando - Iron man
Silver Surfer - Michelle Heart
Felicia - Black Cat
Rose or menat - Scarlett witch
Kraven - monster Hunter
Katt (breath of fire 2) - Tygra
Valkyrie - Nina
Doctor Doom - m. bison
thanos - Bilnstein (star gladiator)
Vision - Zero
Ultron - Sigma
Elektra - Ibuki
Hulk - Haggar
Winter Soldier - Spencer Bionic Commando
Galactus - Pyron
Rolento - Batroc
@@Alexcobra861Doctor Strange-Tessa would be so freaking dope.
Would love to see Jedah back he was fun as hell to play as.
"Frank West, WHO?"
Max you're lucky I like you because that was uncalled for
He’s covered wars yknow!
@@lil_ursaHonestly I very much remember some of the stuff in Tatsunoko vs Capcom more fondly, such as: "Deaaaad Rising! TO THE MOON!"
I concur. Frank was a waste of space
I don't give two fucks about yet another zombie survivor protagonist. You have the RE characters for that
I had to legit take a deep breath of anger and cringe a bit, as a dead rising fan that hurt lol
@@Slayerofall21dead rising deserves its spot with the other capcom characters.
Ah heck yeah. Max's Build The Roster.
Jeez that's a big ass roster.
10:22 So he does watch his videos cool.
Insane roster 🤣
It definitely is. While it's definitely all about the faces, you can definitely argue that sometimes that's all you need especially when we would likely love these choices compared to an official one.
Call me crazy, but I genuinely think the next Marvel vs Capcom game should have 100 characters. 50 characters on each side for the fifth mainline entry makes sense to me, as ambitious as it may sound.
How about a totally new Marvel fighting game with 100 marvel characters instead? Give me Tekken 8 / Sparking Zero type gameplay in 3D with the roster size of SZ (164 chars). The only crossover I'd accept is Marvel vs. DC. Not interested in Capcom characters in a marvel game
@@brucewayne9636 If we went the SZ route, I'd say just make a crossover of Super Heroes and villains from various comic book companies. Like a Project X Zone kind of collaboration between Marvel, DC, Image and maybe Dark Horse as well as a guest character from Shonen Jump.
@@brucewayne9636 another arena fighter, no thank you
@@brucewayne9636 I want a Capcom designed fighting game, not just a Marvel franchise game, so it would be great if it had both Marvel and Capcom characters. We were waiting 4 years because we wanted Capcom specifically to do the next MvC game as well as free the release f MvC 2.
@@linkashh or just Dead or Alive 6 gameplay would be AMAZING.
Dude, they could do so many cool things with Loki's moveset!
They once thought of him for 3 but like mystique his powers aren’t really for combat heavy, morph is the closest functionally that works
Closet thing we'd get to Shang Tsung in a Capcom fighter.
I think Mr.Sinister for a big villain character would be interesting.
If they want to be obscure they could also use the sorceress Selene who is the oldest mutant to ever live
How about Knull (god of symbiotes) or Kang? These characters either have been team-up potential or have a relationship with multiversal/time travel. From the Capcom side, how about demon god Mundus?
I was thinking the same, him and Bastion(Nimrod) to promote XMen 97
"how many new characters" is funny to count up that way, I get you're looking at it in terms of resource management, asset reuse, etc, but the actual answer across the whole series is like 7 Marvel 8 Capcom in base game...
I'm gonna guess that the Marvel side is gonna be 85% X-Men and almost next-to-no Avengers.
Yep it most definitely is.
Look I know people adore their 90s nostalgia and the mutants are on an upswing thanks to X-Men 97 and Deadpool & Wolverine. I love the X-Men as much as the next person with X-Men VS Street Fighter as the one I’m most excited for in the collection, but gosh darn it they do not take up all of Marvel.
And yes MVCI massively screwed up with the X-Men exclusion because of copyright nonsense but that does not mean the next MvC has to be the inverse of it as some divine retribution.
@@myriadmediamusings I agree. Marvel vs Capcom should be that and IMHO, we shouldn't have a good chunk of the roster be dedicated to the 90s crowd who were too into mutants and SF.
It's probably why I favor MvC3's roster over MvC2's and Infinite's.
@@dnmstarsiUMVC3 I agree is the best overall roster that gives a pretty good encapsulation of Marvel’s and Capcom’s respective histories. The rosters of the 90s games were good for their time but now in the 2020s with both companies having so much under them now, it’s gonna be so damn difficult making a roster that’s gonna try to balance things.
@@myriadmediamusings Exactly this, the Marvel side of the roster has to be balanced and include some underrated characters too, that's what makes the UMVC3 roster so great, you get the popular characters from the most important sides of Marvel (Avengers, X-Men, Fantastic Four, Spider-Man related characters) and then you also get Nova, Taskmaster, Iron Fist, Shuma Gorath, She-Hulk, Rocket Raccoon, etc
@@omegazer0800I think Marvel Rivals does a pretty good job at balancing representations with popular and odball characters. Something like that would be great in a new MVC
seeing this makes me so grateful Max doesn't decide the rosters in fighting games haha!
got to admit its better than mvci
@@Jayden-zq6fj That's an extremely low bar tbh. MvC3 roster was way better than Max's and it had half the amount of characters.
@bulb9970 kinda true but then again MvC3 didn't have Mega Man, so it wasn't perfect imo.
Fuck yeah, this roster is so nostalgia based and uninspired.
Trust me, absolutely nobody's roster will ever be 100% perfect when it comes to Marvel vs Capcom, as there is just simply way too many characters from both sides to choose from.
So the capcom side gets all kinds of weirdo picks because he's a capcom fan, but marvel gets all x men, because he's a capcom fan
No Scarlet Witch is kind of crazy
I hope she shows up in another Marvel vs Capcom game or even in a separate Marvel fighting game.
DLC material
Or Ms. Marvel
Scarlet witch VS Rose or menat or Tessa could be a good match up.
I just feel like nostalgia should be set aside for freshness cause imo nothing is more annoying than paying 60$ for the same roster every time
I hear you, but also: brand power. See Street Fighter III and how that went back then (not now, _back then)_
@@NiiRubra true but that was also an age of no dlc. Nowadays I always disagree with this point because the people who want the same roster each time are arguably the minority now, the overuse of SF2 cast in 6 was hated and for good reason.
After MVCI they need nostalgia to sell imo
@@Plasmacat1 you can do that without using the same ol characters. Like I love Max and I love the character but “normie” people don’t give a shit about Strider. There’s a way to give characters that haven’t had a shot yet and still keep SOME staples without making a copy and paste roster. No modern FG player amongst the average masses wants to see regular old alpha Ryu, the want the new one they’ve seen in 6.
@@NiiRubra which is kind of funny to this day as street fighter 2 they always try and bring as many from that game a lot of the time especially with 6, 5 was interesting at inserting more alpha initially with Nash, Karin, Birdie and Mika all were from the start and i think people hated it along with a lot of other issues with it, but then when arcade edition that was when a lot of 2 reps came in. 3 and 4 reps just don't have a strong history at sticking the landing at their new characters it seems and I do see a lot of people demanding 3 characters a lot, 4 arguably being worse as it always centres around juri and so few else other then like new seth from 5 and c.viper. we will see how many of 5 will get in 6 but it's funny how the new characters that were DLC are more memorable then most of those from the initial launch
Shoutouts to Thorgi’s arcade build a roster, his editing style is elite
I don't think "hasn't been in one for a long time" is a good qualification, as, in an ideal scenario, most people playing a new MvC game will have never played one before.
I agree. If anything I think that makes them a good DLC pick, but maybe not base roster.
No hate on Max AT ALL. But IDK if I can agree with a roster coming from someone who doesn’t read any Marvel comics.
99% of the human race doesnt read comics, Marvel isnt just comics
I’m pretty sure max’ only exposure to marvel is from the 90s cartoon and then previous mvc games. Goddamn the number of random X-men from the 90s cartoon that max thinks are essential, like half of them absolutely aren’t getting in lol
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I was so confused seeing Omega Red in there.
Who the hell wants Omega Red??
@@landanross2966If nothing else he at least admits it, so there is something to be kinda respected for sticking with his opinions…even if it clashes horribly with this view he has of being a “Marvel VS Capcom expert”.
@@myriadmediamusings Expert on the MvC games, but definitely not Marvel itself
I think its time for Leon to take the spotlight for Resident Evil. He's had two very successful games come out with RE2R and RE4R. Let this man shine
Green Goblin, please...how have we not gotten more proper Spidey villains in this series except Venom? Doctor Octopus, Mysterio, Electro, the list goes on.
I'd prefer Hobgoblin honestly 🎃
@dropout818 That's why alternate costumes are a good thing.
You made X-Men vs street fighter 2 and everyone else is dlc
Lacking Captain Marvel from representing Marvel side is absolute crazy Max.
“Deep cuts are for Capcom”
Yes Max, cause everyone knew who Taskmaster was when first playing Marvel 3.
So much to the point that when we got MCU Taskmaster, many were disappointed it wasn’t the one from MVC3. It’s Shuma-Gorath all over again.
@@myriadmediamusings
It goes to show that Max is really trying to making excuses on why Marvel’s should be mainstream. I think a majority of Marvel fans want their deep cut character in, it shouldn’t be regulated to only Capcom.
A weird ass take from Max honestly.
@@thefvguy5648And this is why Max is good and fun to watch for fighting games and not as an online critic that understands the intricacies and importance of these characters outside the fighting game sphere.
iirc Guardians and Doctor Strange weren't mainstream yet when Marvel 3 came out. I don't doubt they were already planned but, at least to me, I didn't know who these characters were lmao
There were so many deep cuts in MvC3. Dormammu, S-Skrull, Modok, Taskmaster, Sentinel, Shuma, Iron Fist, Nova, Rocket. You could make a case for She-Hulk, Hawkeye, Strange and GR too.
MvC:I was almost the near opposite of that.
TKO podcast brings back in Thorgi and you guys guys just conceptualize a mega MVC roster.
You should have a betting roster with other youtubers and see who would get the most right when MvC 4 comes out.
Desperately need Jon Talbain in new content. The fact that he's consistently been top 3 or 4 Darkstalkers and never gets into anything is insane. No fighting games, no collabs, bro wasn't even in Project XZone but fuckin Pyron was??? Who looks at karate werewolf man who shoots fire dragons and goes "no thank you"
I need Demitri personally.
I hate how Jedah, X and Sigma were wasted on MVCI I hope they get another shot in a better game.
@@brandonwilliams6119 Agreed!
@@princejax2748 Demitri would require them to model an extra model for every character thanks to Midnight Bliss
@@tailsBOOM1992 Or do what Capcom Fighting Evolution did and make the transformations generic instead of character specific.
I skip and see Green Goblin on the roster that's an immediate W
Yeah, he would be unique for a fighting game, his glider would trip a lot of people up, lol.
It's honestly criminal that the only Spider-Man villain we've ever got in a versus game was Venom (and even then he's been more of an anti-hero longer than he's been a villain). Spider-Man has such a cool and memorable rogues gallery that could make for really cool fighting game characters. Green Goblin, Doc Ock, Electro, Sandman, Hydroman, Carnage, Kraven, and so on.
@@RednekGamurz So true, Doc Ock with his extra arms would be a beast, Kraven could be a Trap based fighter and Sandman would be like Glacius from Killer Instinct, forming weapons out of his body. Seriously, their potential is crazy.
Nero needs his fucking shot in an MVC game dude
Moon Knight is a tremendously underrated character. I've been a BIG fan of Moon Knight since the sort-of-reboot around the mid to late 2000's and his appearance in Ultimate Alliance. I think he would fit into a fighting game very well.
Him and Daredevil have the most consistently great comics
Man, Max will not give Arthur anything if he can help it.
I wonder what Max thinks of MAXIMO.
Yeah, I don't get the Arthur hate. I love Arthur and would love a maximo rep.
Max just really hates Arthur and Frank West for really dumb reasons
Max not caring about some of Capcom's most important franchises is hilarious as a self-described "Capcom fan".
@@PotidaonThese contradictory statements and behavior from him is why it’s damn difficult to take him seriously as anything but a fighting game fan.
If the goal for marvel is moving towards ‘young avengers’ I’d want Kate bishop Hawkeye and Kamala khan ms marvel. If we have to boot 2 characters I’d say omega red (possibly similar gameplay to doc ock) and punisher (too similar to Deadpool play style wise)
Ms. Marvel's probably up there with Miles Spidey as being safe bets for MvC4, but you raise a good point about Kate Bishop also repping the Young Avengers.
I think X Men vs Street Fighter 2 should be the first game of the revival. Between X Men 97 and SF6's popularity it would be all killer no filler. Use assets from SF6. Make Spider Man DLC to get a taste of the expanded Marvel Universe and get everyone hyped for Marvel 4 in the future.
💯 agree I’d actually prefer that game tbh. X-men is by far my favorite way ahead of any other marvel property & I only care about SF & nothing else capcom related. Even though there’s a few on here complaining I think many think like me those two franchises started the crossovers!!
Im definitely all for this. Less roster controversies, less restrictions, and more opportunities for both to be represented with all their eras.
@@myriadmediamusings There's one restriction: Nobody but Sony can make X-Men-specific games until 2035. Likewise, while you *CAN* include X-Men characters in Marvel-wide games, they can't make up the majority of said roster.
@Neoxon619 Unfortunately sony isn't making an x-men game until 2030 so I don't see why they even have the rights now if they wanted to wait that long. Just frustrating for players.
@@anthonyj9226Wolverine