I like that despite being the literal god of destruction, capable of annihilating universes on a whim, Shiva still feels the need to call upon his family and friends to beat the shit out of the Nahobino
Honestly, this is the best boss in the entire game, challenging but not stupidly frustrating, it's just you and your demons against Shiva and his family
I've gotten to the Empyrean in SMT5 and I don't think I've felt overwhelmed by my opposition like this in any video game: - Abdiel and Ichiro want to uphold YHVH's order despite him being dead. - Koshimitzu/Tsukiyomi and Yuzuru want to bring Japanese's myraid gods back into power. - Khonsu, Odin, and Zeus all have their own visions for the world they want to make reality. - Lucifer wants to claim the Throne of Creation for himself to usher in a new age where chaos reigns supreme. - Shiva just wants to destroy the universe and have it be remade by Brahma. - Nuwa and Yakumo are the two I have no clue where they're at, but I have a feeling I'll be seeing them soon. And I of course have to deal with *all of them.* And to think just about an in-game week ago I was playing as an ordinary high school student.
@@jj_grabes Lucifer ultimately gave up on the world after absorbing YHVH's knowledge, instead choosing to act as a catalyst for the new world, depending on who comes to him
@@jj_grabesnuwa and yakumo want to destroy the throne, to stop demons from having control over humanity’s lives. Because it has shown that every time demons are involved in any thing only humans suffer.
Honestly the best rendition of 3D shiva yet, he looks identical yet has something that’s different in a good way maybe it’s his face. Also love his theme. Sad to see Tandava uses magic and not strength tho, you’d think that a demon known for his high strength would have his signature skill be strength based oh well it’s still an extremely strong skill.
@@knightartorias8755 pretty sure the stat cap is 149, my Nahobino's at 101 strength so it definitely isn't 99. You'd still be able to pump him up with magic incense, and you get a bunch from your demon partner picking up from the last area of da'at
@@ttarzzxz3711 yeah, I was still unaware at the time I was posting this. The stat can actually reach 400 since Inanna boss magic stat reaches that much if you use spyglass on her.
@@schlierenzauer6020 True. You fight him alongside Hinako and Jungo if you do not take Daichi route. Beating him unlocks him for fusion. He also leaves if Hinako is defeated
You know why Buffmaister only used -kaja spells instead of Luster Candy / Debilitate? Because the demons he used had high HP but low MP, if he were to use the said skills, he would run out of MP in 4-5 turns. That said, using demons with high MP low HP would get wiped out when Shiva uses Tandava.
I ended up using beelzebub with great mana spring and EX Boon Boost. I could get off full stacks of debilitate/luster candy, refill mana in off turns, and the rest of the time throw some attacks out. So broken 😁
@@marksalita204 the prep is the fun part. I was going for the secret ending on my first playthrough, so I didn't have any NG+ perks. The grind was brutal haha, but very rewarding
When I fought him I was like 1 hit away from dying, my team was completely dead, and I didn’t have enough mp to use a move. I used an ice gem on him and managed to finish him off, barely clutching the fight. This was at like 3 AM Too so I woke up my family lol
Thanks for the advice! Took him down on hard at Lvl 88 through trial & error. The allies I kept alive for him were Ganesha/Parvati since they're the most tame in terms of moves and my Amanozako had zanbarion/high force plemora to deal with Ananta every time it spawned.
I finally why i like this model much better then other rendisions of the same design. It's his colour. Normally Shiva is more purple then blue but here he is fully blue and looking more natural.
Man I just beat the Normal version of this fight. Even at Level 99, this one made me sweat. If this is the hardest the base game has to offer, then Demi-Fiend is gonna be a complete nightmare
@@Kazzy234 had the same problem. But i started noticing where i need to pay attention and had to prep up my start-up demons accordingly. Was still a tough one, but i did it and so will you
@@Kazzy234 I had a lotta trouble with him even also while max level. I eventually beat him after getting certain demons and leveling them up too. The most helpful demons I used were Beelzebub, Gabriel, and Vishnu. Beelzebub had luster candy and debilitate, Gabriel was helpful with the God's Shield Magatsuhi for Shiva's Magatsuhi and she also healed and had Dekunda. Vishnu mostly used items and had Mudobarion for whenever Ananta came up before it could heal Shiva. My Nahobino just used Thalassic Calamity (yet Bufobarion or Ice Age could be better) and Profound Land for Ananta too. This team worked wonders and I beat him this way! Basically, you want someone buffing, someone healing, someone damaging, and someone who can kinda just do anything but mostly restoring MP with items!
@@thefoxydrampa3117 my strategy was a bit different, but yes, these 3 demons were my start set up as well! Beelzebub had ice age and debilitate, vishnu had mudobarion for ananta, luster candy and mediaharan and gabriel was important for that high ice damage, the magatsuhi skill(i didnt end up using tho lol) and dekunda. I got amon as a back up with luster candy and debilitate. His resistance was a big help. Another back up for worst case was lakshmi with her own mediaharan and luster candy and the magatsuhi skill that revives and heals the whole stock Also cover weaknesses with either drain or block skills Also raising their potential for ice skill to +9 for more damage worked wonders as well. Just use up all possible boosters you got for your main party before going in!
Would had been great if he had a full voice over. Either way, such a great battle. Best setting, best music, best atmosphere and just the right amount of challenge to push your team to the limit.
I love this fight, it demands from you being very catious from the beginning till the very end, while demi-fiend is a constant brainstorming all the way with the only plausible tactics is to have full stack of demons with a complete resistance.
You're the only person I've seen who leaves 1 ally alive instead of burning them all down. I had a feeling that was the play. Very helpful as I'm in mid taito and have been plotting shiva strats.
If you have a shitton of soma, bead chains, or a thick stack of healer demons, you can outlast his tandavas and grind him down by constantly blasting everyone as soon as he spawns them. Also Shiva isnt harmless just bc hes not using Tandava. He will start going for TPKs more frequently when other npcs are on the field, and unlike Tandava, demons WILL die without a magatsuhi skill covering you. On the flip side, an exploit i considered but didnt try out is leveraging the fact Shiva's allies take their press turns first and only use party attack skills, so as long as at least one of your demons can repel or drain the attack you stand a good chance of cancelling Shiva's outright.
@@Nonaggress That's what I did to beat him at level 87. Killed every ally except for Parvati, and she kept using Mahamaon on my team, wasting turns because everyone was either resistant or immune. Also used Baal's Essence on Nahobino to gain his resistances, allowing Nahobino to resist and repel Shiva's fire and electric attacks respectively. The hardest thing was to keep track of Ananta when Parvati summoned it.
@@CereDulce37 Canonically speaking, Shiva would've destroyed way more than just a universe, seeing how high he is into the power hierarchy, he would've destroyed the entire human world, which has infinite universes.
Shiva:The world should not be created by a given being, Rather, it is the beings that should be created by the world Also Shiva: so anyway, I'm going to destroy it so my god can recreate the World :)
Judging from the context, he means that anyone who recreates earth will become corrupted over time because they put their focus on mortal and God affairs on earth which would make the recreator wish to keep the good faith of humanity whilst keeping the other demons under control. But as brahman will recreate the universe he will not put his focus on earth and as such not become corrupted by desire and control, as he is "too needed" everywhere else to dedicate his time to earth and its demon occupants. At least that's what I thought when I heard this.
Erasing all the Pokemon after doing a bunch of quests for said Pokemon, which are necessary and very arbitrary requirements for the TRU Neutral ending, was dumb. Actually, writing is ass in this.
@@haihuynh8772 Trouble is, with this mentality you might as well not give a shit about human characters either, which makes stories more boring. Either way, I don't like it.
What would have been really cool is if they gave this fight a gimmick like Masakado in SMT IV. If you don't defeat Shiva in a certain number of turns, Rudra Astra automatically activates and destroys the universe.
Did you forgoe luster candy and debilitate for mp conservation? I know tandiva tanks def but I just used dekunda and enjoyed the evasion still being there
That's not even close. Persona just makes it like that because it's mostly not dark and leans more to happy endings. Personas and Demons are stated to be the same thing by Igor in Persona 1.
Ended up soloing the boss in his low health and barely winning by spamming murakumo with free criticals,but completely steamrolling the true final boss.
Yo no lo intente pero si demonio de nivel 45 o más son posible llevarlo al lv 99 no me acuerdo el método pero muy recomendable volver a fusionarlo una vez teniendo el 100% del bonus por nivel y fusiones y al lv 99 tendrá más estadísticas que los base lv 95 menos en vida que tendrá solo un poco menos xdd
Been wondering if you use dlc to lv up / macca / glory? I bought the dlcs since i dont have times on grinding, but seeing people beat the game on hard difficulty make me wonder if the dlc is not needed at all
so, as far i know defeating him is necesary to see the hidden ending ,the question is ¿do i have to do it before the route split or i can do it after the route split to to the quests and have an easier time againts him?
Definitely before because you will be locked out of everything else once you open the doors leading to the Empyrean and have to make your choices. So best to find a way to beat him then save and go
@@Safersephiroth777 I actually cleared the Trumpeter fight the other day and got him fused. Need to level him one more time so he has Maragibarion since also set him up with Concentrate and the second MP increase passive
For Dlc id recommend mother harlot but for base game most def metatron with null phys I took the high almighty pleroma from it instead but on ng+ ill take the affinity
I have heard that some Hindus were offended that Shiva and other Hindu gods were depicted as demons in the game. but after all, the game does not say that it is Shiva himself, it's just a demon that looks like Shiva and copies him and his name. All the creatures in the game are some kind of entities that look like gods and spirits in the mythologies of different peoples, including Japanese, there is nothing offensive here. if some person dresses up in a Shiva costume and takes a photo, it will not make him a real Shiva.
Actually no. The people who follow iskcon beliefs on the west were & that is usually directed at any media that portrays Hindu & Buddhists Gods. Such as final fantasy, Dragonball, and so on. Traditional Hindus & Buddhists don’t really care about that sort of thing. The spokes person “ Rajan Zed” starts those types of articles. I assure you he speaks mainly for himself and not everyone of the Hindu faith.
That is true. Especially consider that the demons are basically incomplete beings due to not having their Knowledge, which is contained within a human. A Nahobino is basically a god or demon achieving their full potential once more, by becoming one with the human bearing their Knowledge
This game really encourages you to use demons for long time use similar to Nocturne, it hands out Grimores like crazy even without the Mitama DLC. King Frost, Anahita, Chironupu, Alice, Black Frost, Belpagor, Idunn, Yoshitsune and the Fiends are great well beyond their fusion level for example.
No Magatsuhi for you? Woulda made it too easy? In my playthrough I suped up a Dominion and had always had him around for Sea of Stars. He came in handy when Parvati warped in.
I mean he's "The Destroyer". The Hindu gods in general are usually stronger than all other gods minus the creator, reason why for the most part they are some of the highest leveled demons if their respected races.
In a way, I hated/loved fighting him. Hated because I died 10 times (2 where I almost beat him. Loved because I managed to get the true ending without even realizing I had to beat him for it. Usually, I Just play a game the way I like to at first and get whatever ending I get from it, then I look up on TH-cam for the best endings. Personally, getting it in one play through was a breath of fresh air for me.
You can use grimoires. I am at the same point in the game, and I have 97 grimoires, so they're plentiful, provided my experience correlates with most people's experiences. You can also grind for them.
I must just be getting mega unlucky. Every time i fought Shiva, he spams Impaler's Animus and some AoE based attack and destroys me. Even with max defense and his attack at the lowerest... the game cheats XD
Shiva uses Megidolaon and Impalers Animus if you nullify his attacks. If you merely resist phys fire and elec, he never uses IA and only uses Megidolaon one time at the halfway point.
I am trying to defeat him, but whenever he uses megidolaon he kills most of my team and leaves my Nahobino in the red, even though my vitality is of almost a hundred. Any suggestions?
@@mothman5025 Hello, I am level 97, now with a 100 vitality and like 130 strenght. A few days ago I started to have the “endure” skill so I can use the Adversity Magatsuhi skill and hit him harder. That way, I buff myself and use critical aura and debuff him in the first turn, let him leave me at 1 point of HP and the using said magatsuhi skill to deal like 30 000 - 40 000 damage in a single turn. But after that, I struggle until I get killed. I also tried to use “Shield of god” with Metatron and Gabriel, but then he kept using Megidolaon every other turn before I could refill the Magatsuhi bar and decided to change to “Magatsuhi: Adversity” strategy. Also I block physical and resist everything except dark and I am considering replacing “murderous glee” for block fire.
@@mothman5025 By the way, I managed to defeat him last week. I kept buffing my Nahobino’s attack, buffing my whole team’s defense and debuffing both his atack and defense. Then I kept using critical aura and attacking him and all demons not called Genesha and Parvati until Shiva’s health was at half while also using Metatron’s Magatsuhi skill “Shield of God” to protect my team from the enemy’s attacks. I also took a page from this video and got a strong Thor and a strong Siegfried to absorb elec and physical attacks respectively and make the enemy lose turns. Once Shiva was at a bit less than half health, I swithed Cerberus into my team (I don’t remembre for who) to use “Omagatoki: Adversity” to take the rest of his health. After that, the rest of the game was easy.
@@Seaweedsz Ah nice one! Sorry youtube just decided not to notify me of your reply, congrats on beating him though. I turned it down to casual cos I wanted to get the hidden ending on my first playthrough, but I'm going law full restart this time and plan to do it legit, so I'll keep what you've said in mind!
@@mothman5025 It’s okay. One advice, consider not putting that many points into vitality. I mean, since my vitality was around 110, I could take hits very well, but I also couldn’t do as much damage as I could have if I had 160 strenght and 70 vitality. If I did, then maybe the “Adversity” strategy that I tried at first could have worked better and even defeat him at the second turn.
Use up your Gospels so you can get to 95 and make Beelzebub and Metatron to make your life easier. If you already used them all up and did all the sidequests, probably the rooms with all the Madas in the final dungeon is my guess
@@ttarzzxz3711 thanks I’ll do just that. Edit several days later: I did it I grinder and fused Odin, Zeus and Alliat. Got them to level 99and fed them incenses to get their vit, st, mag, and agility past 100 and beat him
El modo difícil está bastante equilibrado almenos para mí que solo el primera BOSS si o si debe buscado bien y saber todo del BOSS ya le resto tenés más opciones yo fue build mágico aunque el ataque más letal esclusivo del prota es de físico xd tipo Todopoderoso que puede pega critico Pd:suerte y espero saquen VI y que sea como el IV :3 que eso era mi favoritos y con el motor del V junto a lo bien hecho que fueron el IV y IV apocalipsis será un joyas en jugabilidad y historia xd que el III y V están med almenos para mí en historia almenos en el V uno fue listo y no fue a morirse inutilmente xdd
The '-barion' skills are a new tier of elemental skills above the '-dyne' skills. The previously top-tier elemental skills with unique names like Thunder Reign are now relegated to be on the same level as the '-dyne' skills, but with Pierce ability added.
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7:42 "Is this my life?" asks Siegfried as he once again draws aggro from a destroyer god
poor sieg.
Hey at least he's immune to everything Shiva throws at him
Sumanai.
@@tatsuyasoda8147 Shiva: Nice argument unfortunately impaler's animus + almighty attacks + ratio
@@appelofdoom8211dont forget tandava
I like that despite being the literal god of destruction, capable of annihilating universes on a whim, Shiva still feels the need to call upon his family and friends to beat the shit out of the Nahobino
susanoo is a major deity in shintoism just like shiva In Hinduism.
@@r3zaful Shiva is a Universe destroying Deity. Susanoo is kind of an ant compared to him
Hindu mythology has Fairytail level friendship moments so Shiva doing that is pretty accurate
@@infinitezion2029 as a hindu that made me laugh a lot
It's funny how he aggressively disintegrated the god responsible for uniting him with his beloved consort
Honestly, this is the best boss in the entire game, challenging but not stupidly frustrating, it's just you and your demons against Shiva and his family
Yeah theirs no stupid gimmicks here like with Demi-fiend and Satan, just a straight up fight giving it your best.
In this fight, there’s no side cheating by bringing out some dumb gimmick. No, we fight like men. And women. And men who look like girls.
@@apollyonnoctis1291 And girls who like men. Nothing supersticious.
@@dantemustdie00 satan? Don't you mean Lucifer?
@@avrhamcom nah, referring to Digital Devil Saga 2 Satan
Ganeisha: Hey Shiva, look at how helpful I am.
Shiva: ...
Shiva: (I wish kartikeya was here instead of you...)
Shiva: (Also, did he just refer to me as just SHIVA?! I'm going to behead this little shit again after this)
You gotta love the fact that in SMT, there are like 100 different plots to either destroy the world or have complete control over it
I've gotten to the Empyrean in SMT5 and I don't think I've felt overwhelmed by my opposition like this in any video game:
- Abdiel and Ichiro want to uphold YHVH's order despite him being dead.
- Koshimitzu/Tsukiyomi and Yuzuru want to bring Japanese's myraid gods back into power.
- Khonsu, Odin, and Zeus all have their own visions for the world they want to make reality.
- Lucifer wants to claim the Throne of Creation for himself to usher in a new age where chaos reigns supreme.
- Shiva just wants to destroy the universe and have it be remade by Brahma.
- Nuwa and Yakumo are the two I have no clue where they're at, but I have a feeling I'll be seeing them soon.
And I of course have to deal with *all of them.*
And to think just about an in-game week ago I was playing as an ordinary high school student.
@@jj_grabes Lucifer ultimately gave up on the world after absorbing YHVH's knowledge, instead choosing to act as a catalyst for the new world, depending on who comes to him
@@jj_grabesnuwa and yakumo want to destroy the throne, to stop demons from having control over humanity’s lives. Because it has shown that every time demons are involved in any thing only humans suffer.
Honestly the best rendition of 3D shiva yet, he looks identical yet has something that’s different in a good way maybe it’s his face. Also love his theme. Sad to see Tandava uses magic and not strength tho, you’d think that a demon known for his high strength would have his signature skill be strength based oh well it’s still an extremely strong skill.
If you fuse Shiva right, he can still have his magic stat reach the 99 cap and you won't lose much damage using Tandava with him.
@@knightartorias8755 pretty sure the stat cap is 149, my Nahobino's at 101 strength so it definitely isn't 99. You'd still be able to pump him up with magic incense, and you get a bunch from your demon partner picking up from the last area of da'at
@@ttarzzxz3711 yeah, I was still unaware at the time I was posting this. The stat can actually reach 400 since Inanna boss magic stat reaches that much if you use spyglass on her.
His magic os dumb high as well, easily over 100
Yeah well it’s a good things incense exist
The calm atmoshere while battling against the God of Destruction making the fight even more menacing
I screamed when one of the enemies used mediarama and recovered Shiva's HP 20000.
It's because you didn't defeat the snake demon that heals him lol
....i quit the fight after that happend to me
Don't quit lol 😂
DEFEAT ANANTA
Or be me, and have your charmed Gabriel use mediarahan and fully restore the whole team, when shiva was like, 2 turns from death
It's cool that we get to fight against Shiva after so long! The only game I can remember where Shiva was fought is Digital Devil Saga 2
SMT4 also had Shiva as the final Terminal fight.
you can fight him too in Devil Survivor 2
it's an easy fight tho
@@schlierenzauer6020 isn't there a fight with him in sj?
@@srvino6160 Not that I remember
@@schlierenzauer6020 True. You fight him alongside Hinako and Jungo if you do not take Daichi route. Beating him unlocks him for fusion. He also leaves if Hinako is defeated
Shiva still being fabulous even on low health.
Even his flinch animation is graceful. He even gets hurt beautifully
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it looked like he was paralyzed frow the waist up lmao
You know why Buffmaister only used -kaja spells instead of Luster Candy / Debilitate? Because the demons he used had high HP but low MP, if he were to use the said skills, he would run out of MP in 4-5 turns.
That said, using demons with high MP low HP would get wiped out when Shiva uses Tandava.
I ended up using beelzebub with great mana spring and EX Boon Boost. I could get off full stacks of debilitate/luster candy, refill mana in off turns, and the rest of the time throw some attacks out. So broken 😁
@@johnmarkther2218 Beelzebub is late game broken. Shiva becomes a joke when you get to 90+
@@marksalita204 the prep is the fun part. I was going for the secret ending on my first playthrough, so I didn't have any NG+ perks. The grind was brutal haha, but very rewarding
@@marksalita204 Are you sure? Because that doesn't seem to be the case on hard
@@BitchChill Yup, MP usage don't change on hard mode. Bosses get more HP/damage, that's it. Their affinities don't change
When I fought him I was like 1 hit away from dying, my team was completely dead, and I didn’t have enough mp to use a move. I used an ice gem on him and managed to finish him off, barely clutching the fight. This was at like 3 AM Too so I woke up my family lol
Poggers
That's an absolute "LETS GOOOOOOO!!!!" moment. Your family should've been proud.
Shiva A.I. seen to only use his most powerful move "Tendava" when there were no allies on his side, so the trick was to keep one of his allies alive.
He used it on me while Ganesha was still alive after a few turns
He uses Tendava when only one ally remains as well, so you might as well keep both alive unless you want your defense stat to keep tanking.
@@jayfarias8440 its for the better too but be careful since they can summon anata and Anata is a run killer
Thanks for the advice! Took him down on hard at Lvl 88 through trial & error. The allies I kept alive for him were Ganesha/Parvati since they're the most tame in terms of moves and my Amanozako had zanbarion/high force plemora to deal with Ananta every time it spawned.
4:51
The battle theme is lit.
It's going hard while you distract yourself with a god team.
I finally why i like this model much better then other rendisions of the same design. It's his colour. Normally Shiva is more purple then blue but here he is fully blue and looking more natural.
It looks really great yea. The makeup artists did a really great job with him.
Man I just beat the Normal version of this fight. Even at Level 99, this one made me sweat. If this is the hardest the base game has to offer, then Demi-Fiend is gonna be a complete nightmare
Ikr.... bruh every turn is like a friggin life or death scenario.
I'm at max level and I keep dying to Shiva so idk how to get past ten turns with him
@@Kazzy234 had the same problem. But i started noticing where i need to pay attention and had to prep up my start-up demons accordingly. Was still a tough one, but i did it and so will you
@@Kazzy234 I had a lotta trouble with him even also while max level. I eventually beat him after getting certain demons and leveling them up too. The most helpful demons I used were Beelzebub, Gabriel, and Vishnu. Beelzebub had luster candy and debilitate, Gabriel was helpful with the God's Shield Magatsuhi for Shiva's Magatsuhi and she also healed and had Dekunda. Vishnu mostly used items and had Mudobarion for whenever Ananta came up before it could heal Shiva. My Nahobino just used Thalassic Calamity (yet Bufobarion or Ice Age could be better) and Profound Land for Ananta too. This team worked wonders and I beat him this way!
Basically, you want someone buffing, someone healing, someone damaging, and someone who can kinda just do anything but mostly restoring MP with items!
@@thefoxydrampa3117 my strategy was a bit different, but yes, these 3 demons were my start set up as well!
Beelzebub had ice age and debilitate, vishnu had mudobarion for ananta, luster candy and mediaharan and gabriel was important for that high ice damage, the magatsuhi skill(i didnt end up using tho lol) and dekunda.
I got amon as a back up with luster candy and debilitate. His resistance was a big help. Another back up for worst case was lakshmi with her own mediaharan and luster candy and the magatsuhi skill that revives and heals the whole stock
Also cover weaknesses with either drain or block skills
Also raising their potential for ice skill to +9 for more damage worked wonders as well.
Just use up all possible boosters you got for your main party before going in!
1:57 this made me laugh for some reason
FRE-
*Shiva flails around*
Sounds like “FREAK!” 🤣
Can imagine the MC saying that with disgust
Would had been great if he had a full voice over. Either way, such a great battle. Best setting, best music, best atmosphere and just the right amount of challenge to push your team to the limit.
Yeah mr white! Yeah Shiva!
I love this fight, it demands from you being very catious from the beginning till the very end, while demi-fiend is a constant brainstorming all the way with the only plausible tactics is to have full stack of demons with a complete resistance.
I'm suprise Shiva didn't use his third eye to just one shot everyone. Also he's going to be a playable character in Smite soon.
Actually when he does tandava that is his third eye comencing destruction
@@dorkistantkd6233 Ok, thank you for the information.
You're the only person I've seen who leaves 1 ally alive instead of burning them all down. I had a feeling that was the play. Very helpful as I'm in mid taito and have been plotting shiva strats.
Observe their pattern, you see that Bosses are scripted. You will have to nuke down Ananta tho to avoid him triggering a Mediarama on his 2nd turn.
If you have a shitton of soma, bead chains, or a thick stack of healer demons, you can outlast his tandavas and grind him down by constantly blasting everyone as soon as he spawns them. Also Shiva isnt harmless just bc hes not using Tandava. He will start going for TPKs more frequently when other npcs are on the field, and unlike Tandava, demons WILL die without a magatsuhi skill covering you.
On the flip side, an exploit i considered but didnt try out is leveraging the fact Shiva's allies take their press turns first and only use party attack skills, so as long as at least one of your demons can repel or drain the attack you stand a good chance of cancelling Shiva's outright.
@@Nonaggress That's what I did to beat him at level 87. Killed every ally except for Parvati, and she kept using Mahamaon on my team, wasting turns because everyone was either resistant or immune. Also used Baal's Essence on Nahobino to gain his resistances, allowing Nahobino to resist and repel Shiva's fire and electric attacks respectively. The hardest thing was to keep track of Ananta when Parvati summoned it.
Favorite line to read in the game was
"You could've walked away with your life"
Ironic considering he was gonna destroy the universe anyways
@@CereDulce37 Canonically speaking, Shiva would've destroyed way more than just a universe, seeing how high he is into the power hierarchy, he would've destroyed the entire human world, which has infinite universes.
"You dare challenge me. Fool" I felt that
(Me entering this fight at level 80): "I'm joking STOP, stop! Its a prank, stop!"
> Fool you could have walked away with your life
Oh; Rudra's finished chargeing.
Well... he wouldn't have walked very far then...
I only logged in to say THANK YOU for making this video public again; I like to watch it far more than I'd like to admit. A thousand thanks!
Shiva:The world should not be created by a given being, Rather, it is the beings that should be created by the world
Also Shiva: so anyway, I'm going to destroy it so my god can recreate the World :)
Judging from the context, he means that anyone who recreates earth will become corrupted over time because they put their focus on mortal and God affairs on earth which would make the recreator wish to keep the good faith of humanity whilst keeping the other demons under control. But as brahman will recreate the universe he will not put his focus on earth and as such not become corrupted by desire and control, as he is "too needed" everywhere else to dedicate his time to earth and its demon occupants.
At least that's what I thought when I heard this.
And he'll fucking do it again haha. Cycle of destruction and recreation
What he is implying is that once a god creates a new world, he should have no control over it in the slightest
Shiva considered destruction as his duty, he only destroys the universe when the time is up
It needs to be destroyed to be regenerated again
Beat him on Hard in first playtrough. The only downside is that the rest boss fights were a joke, but I got the better Neutral ending so worth it.
Typical SMT experience
Erasing all the Pokemon after doing a bunch of quests for said Pokemon, which are necessary and very arbitrary requirements for the TRU Neutral ending, was dumb. Actually, writing is ass in this.
smt isn't known well for plot eh
@@dmitrystarovoitov1 Demons are a volatile means to an end, not friends.
@@haihuynh8772 Trouble is, with this mentality you might as well not give a shit about human characters either, which makes stories more boring. Either way, I don't like it.
What would have been really cool is if they gave this fight a gimmick like Masakado in SMT IV. If you don't defeat Shiva in a certain number of turns, Rudra Astra automatically activates and destroys the universe.
Ah yes, the true final boss.
DLC aside yes. Shiva gave me a harder fight than 2 Nahobinos and LUCIFER put together.
Those themed scenarios looks so cool
Dude not only kicks your ass but has his wife and son help too. Talk about crazy family activities
damn this fight is basically a family vacation then
keep in mind that this quite literally isn't even Shiva's final form.
presumably, he has not become a Nahobino either.
Did you forgoe luster candy and debilitate for mp conservation? I know tandiva tanks def but I just used dekunda and enjoyed the evasion still being there
Not worth, to much mp cost.
It's funny in SMT these guys are like all powerful beings and stuff but in Persona they're just silly little colorful people you can summon
That's not even close. Persona just makes it like that because it's mostly not dark and leans more to happy endings. Personas and Demons are stated to be the same thing by Igor in Persona 1.
how'd you raise your magic stats so high? is there a balm farming method?
The true God of Destruction.
Beerus ain’t got nothing on this guy.
It's funny how people actually think Beerus would stand a chance against shiva - nevermind ANY megaten demon lol
@@jackour8167 Slime solos the Dragon Ball cast
@@drabcrab9702 the weakest megami tensei character does
@@jackour8167 and why is that?
@@MasterXav because they're stronger, that's all there's to it.
I kept focusing shiva my first attempt but I hated myself when he healed 23k hp from a single mediarama and restarted.
When I first fought Shiva, I thought his endurance was through the roof, then I looked at his stats. Man's got 40 in endurance and it made me cackle.
Ended up soloing the boss in his low health and barely winning by spamming murakumo with free criticals,but completely steamrolling the true final boss.
This was my favorite fight, can’t wait to replay it in 4K on my PS5 tho… man I’m so hyped for Vengeance
Whoever composed this track, you re a god
Nice that Thor still has the "GUUAHHH" from Nocturne. Is it still the same VA who did the Remaster?
I think so. They reused a lot of actors from the previous games
He still says "die" when he attacks
¿Can you tell me what builds do you have in your party members in this battle? Please
One thing I really like this game is that you can make literally any demon your main in late game due to the level slowing system not being their.
Yo no lo intente pero si demonio de nivel 45 o más son posible llevarlo al lv 99 no me acuerdo el método pero muy recomendable volver a fusionarlo una vez teniendo el 100% del bonus por nivel y fusiones y al lv 99 tendrá más estadísticas que los base lv 95 menos en vida que tendrá solo un poco menos xdd
I’m preparing for this boss fight, but why did you swap Thórr out for a bit?
I may have to do this fight in NG+. I’m only level 87 on Hard and I have no way to grind. Is there a way to farm gospels?
1:50 Battle begins.
Dat soundtrack tho
init though! the intro!
Shyt haunts my dreams....and I love it!
what are the instruments used to create the song? like trumpets and dj tables? what's that drring sound?
The "drring" sound might be sitar
There is a saxophone at one point
Cool boss theme
It's a shame I never decided to beat Shiva, but the music is soo good
Notice how Mada stomps its feet to the beat of the music.
Siegfried: "is this my life?"
Me: Well to help me in this fight yes.
Such a gorgeous fight.
When Ananta cast mediarama on Shiva in my game, I seriously want to hurl my Switch to the wall.
Why does the guy have so many adds?? So frustrating.
Because LORRREEEEE
Shiva's got a biggg family mane.
That’s why you only attacked the heeler and shiva.
The song is incredible
Been wondering if you use dlc to lv up / macca / glory? I bought the dlcs since i dont have times on grinding, but seeing people beat the game on hard difficulty make me wonder if the dlc is not needed at all
The Mitama DLC is a speed up and convenient thing if you want to level up/get macca/get glory quickly, but it's not necessary for any difficulty.
so, as far i know defeating him is necesary to see the hidden ending ,the question is ¿do i have to do it before the route split or i can do it after the route split to to the quests and have an easier time againts him?
I believe you have to do it before route split.
Before you fight Metatron
Definitely before because you will be locked out of everything else once you open the doors leading to the Empyrean and have to make your choices. So best to find a way to beat him then save and go
Which essence did you use for resistances? I've been considering Huang Long's plus resist/null dark since I finally got the eighth skill slot
IF you have the DLC, Trumpeter is the best. You can use Metatro which you get for free too.
@@Safersephiroth777 I actually cleared the Trumpeter fight the other day and got him fused. Need to level him one more time so he has Maragibarion since also set him up with Concentrate and the second MP increase passive
If i remember right I used metatrons essence and null phys from ongyo-ki
For Dlc id recommend mother harlot but for base game most def metatron with null phys
I took the high almighty pleroma from it instead but on ng+ ill take the affinity
I'd go with Metatron
I have heard that some Hindus were offended that Shiva and other Hindu gods were depicted as demons in the game. but after all, the game does not say that it is Shiva himself, it's just a demon that looks like Shiva and copies him and his name. All the creatures in the game are some kind of entities that look like gods and spirits in the mythologies of different peoples, including Japanese, there is nothing offensive here. if some person dresses up in a Shiva costume and takes a photo, it will not make him a real Shiva.
Actually no. The people who follow iskcon beliefs on the west were & that is usually directed at any media that portrays Hindu & Buddhists Gods. Such as final fantasy, Dragonball, and so on. Traditional Hindus & Buddhists don’t really care about that sort of thing. The spokes person “ Rajan Zed” starts those types of articles. I assure you he speaks mainly for himself and not everyone of the Hindu faith.
That is true. Especially consider that the demons are basically incomplete beings due to not having their Knowledge, which is contained within a human. A Nahobino is basically a god or demon achieving their full potential once more, by becoming one with the human bearing their Knowledge
Actually no, that's Shiva.
Well then they should have also made a demon Jesus Christ and a demon Buddha for this game.
Stop being a hypocrite and trying to justify this idiotic game and it's stupid developers.
Why is that he does not double megidolan you?
A magic build? Damn!
I CAN'T let you do that, Shiva. Your destruction leads you to madness and nothingness.
Is this a NG+ file?
Siegfried being lvl 92 is wild to me on a first playthrough
Feed demons Grimoirs.
Seems like you used your grimoires for your tanks.
Anyway, what is the earliest demons that have makarakarn, i got tetrakarn from muh shuwuu.
Anubis 41.
@@BuffMaister 2 levels short then, thank you.
This game really encourages you to use demons for long time use similar to Nocturne, it hands out Grimores like crazy even without the Mitama DLC.
King Frost, Anahita, Chironupu, Alice, Black Frost, Belpagor, Idunn, Yoshitsune and the Fiends are great well beyond their fusion level for example.
Keeping ganesha alive seems like the best idea here
I will battle him on ng+ for the last ending, i want to make this game stand till' i do every endings
It’s so funny but such cool animation when he gets hit by an attack.
1:57
“FREAK”
Does Shiva punish you for using your Magatsuhi Gauge, or are you just showcasing the boss' allies and abilities?
Nah, I just never use the Magatsuhi. Using Magatsuhi makes the game easier and it's already way to scripted. I like the hp/mp regen.
@@BuffMaister gotcha, interesting house rules dude 👍
Compared to persona 5 Royal, Shiva is a menace in this game lmao I couldn’t beat him at all
what's your stats on your nahobino ?
No Magatsuhi for you? Woulda made it too easy? In my playthrough I suped up a Dominion and had always had him around for Sea of Stars. He came in handy when Parvati warped in.
Can I ask something ?
Why you didn't use idun in this fight ? Is she bad for post game boss ?
They used demons with low mp but higher hp for this fight. possibly to not get one shot by the tandava.
@@belphegren2062 Yeah, Idun can just barely survive the 1st turn Tandava
so out of all of Bethel... Shiva was the strongest?
Shiva and Kohn.
I mean he's "The Destroyer".
The Hindu gods in general are usually stronger than all other gods minus the creator, reason why for the most part they are some of the highest leveled demons if their respected races.
@@dantemustdie00 also SMT tends to make Japanese gods very powerful as well so I'm surprised there isn't a Masakado boss fight 🤔
@@pqulxv3810 ultiimate boss in raidou 2 and smt iv
@@BuffMaister
Kohn?
I wonder but always forget to test if donum gladi stacks with charge.
It does not it will simply replace the charge buff with Donum Gladi which provides a weaker boost then charge
Should've guessed, thanks. Well, we still have critical aura and Impaler animus. Actually, never tested that either.
@@Totemikus only one one those type of buff is allowed at a time, tested
Yea
I tried it and gave up...... Will get to him when i do another playthrough in ng+
Damn awesome
Is this a new game + boss fight are a side mission you can do on your first run?
First run
You can do it on your first run, but it requires you to be at least level 80 I believe
@@PokemonaMoni Shivas level 96
And with the shit damage scaling being level 99 is a *MUST*
@@eatanotherzio6811 It is, I'm just saying you need at least level 80 to be able to try
@@PokemonaMoni you pretty much need to at max level if you want a chance of surviving.
How did You increase Your Main character Magic so much?
Balms
Sorry, last comment; my sides blast off to space every time I hear "Is this my life?" for this specific fight. It's the absolute cherry on top 🍨🍒👩🍳
In a way, I hated/loved fighting him. Hated because I died 10 times (2 where I almost beat him. Loved because I managed to get the true ending without even realizing I had to beat him for it. Usually, I Just play a game the way I like to at first and get whatever ending I get from it, then I look up on TH-cam for the best endings. Personally, getting it in one play through was a breath of fresh air for me.
how the heck did you get Siegfried and Thor up to level 92 when they're like level 60 demons lol
You can use grimoires. I am at the same point in the game, and I have 97 grimoires, so they're plentiful, provided my experience correlates with most people's experiences. You can also grind for them.
grimoires and the statues, with how many red mitamas running around its not hard, i have level 93 idun and cleopatra from those grimoires
I got my Yoshitsune and Black Frost to lv 99 thanks to Grimoires
Amazing what a good book can do to a demon, am I right?
I must just be getting mega unlucky. Every time i fought Shiva, he spams Impaler's Animus and some AoE based attack and destroys me. Even with max defense and his attack at the lowerest...
the game cheats XD
Happened to me too. Were you using the skill that draws aggro on another demon?
the gimmick there is to never let shiva act twice in a turn
@@tecul1 the real gimmick is to never let him attack at all
@@IamJerf The real gimmick is to not let him get a turn
Shiva uses Megidolaon and Impalers Animus if you nullify his attacks. If you merely resist phys fire and elec, he never uses IA and only uses Megidolaon one time at the halfway point.
Canon Shiva wouldn’t trust Brahma in remaking the universe lol.
Chilling as hell
I am trying to defeat him, but whenever he uses megidolaon he kills most of my team and leaves my Nahobino in the red, even though my vitality is of almost a hundred. Any suggestions?
What level are you?
@@mothman5025 Hello, I am level 97, now with a 100 vitality and like 130 strenght. A few days ago I started to have the “endure” skill so I can use the Adversity Magatsuhi skill and hit him harder. That way, I buff myself and use critical aura and debuff him in the first turn, let him leave me at 1 point of HP and the using said magatsuhi skill to deal like 30 000 - 40 000 damage in a single turn.
But after that, I struggle until I get killed.
I also tried to use “Shield of god” with Metatron and Gabriel, but then he kept using Megidolaon every other turn before I could refill the Magatsuhi bar and decided to change to “Magatsuhi: Adversity” strategy.
Also I block physical and resist everything except dark and I am considering replacing “murderous glee” for block fire.
@@mothman5025 By the way, I managed to defeat him last week. I kept buffing my Nahobino’s attack, buffing my whole team’s defense and debuffing both his atack and defense. Then I kept using critical aura and attacking him and all demons not called Genesha and Parvati until Shiva’s health was at half while also using Metatron’s Magatsuhi skill “Shield of God” to protect my team from the enemy’s attacks. I also took a page from this video and got a strong Thor and a strong Siegfried to absorb elec and physical attacks respectively and make the enemy lose turns.
Once Shiva was at a bit less than half health, I swithed Cerberus into my team (I don’t remembre for who) to use “Omagatoki: Adversity” to take the rest of his health.
After that, the rest of the game was easy.
@@Seaweedsz Ah nice one! Sorry youtube just decided not to notify me of your reply, congrats on beating him though. I turned it down to casual cos I wanted to get the hidden ending on my first playthrough, but I'm going law full restart this time and plan to do it legit, so I'll keep what you've said in mind!
@@mothman5025 It’s okay. One advice, consider not putting that many points into vitality. I mean, since my vitality was around 110, I could take hits very well, but I also couldn’t do as much damage as I could have if I had 160 strenght and 70 vitality. If I did, then maybe the “Adversity” strategy that I tried at first could have worked better and even defeat him at the second turn.
I love the fact that Shiva is weak to ice but he lives in himalayas/icy place.
This is the only boss I have left to beat in the game but I’m mid 80. Where’s the best place to grind post game
Use up your Gospels so you can get to 95 and make Beelzebub and Metatron to make your life easier. If you already used them all up and did all the sidequests, probably the rooms with all the Madas in the final dungeon is my guess
@@ttarzzxz3711 thanks I’ll do just that.
Edit several days later: I did it I grinder and fused Odin, Zeus and Alliat. Got them to level 99and fed them incenses to get their vit, st, mag, and agility past 100 and beat him
Damn match took me 40 mins on normal😭
Bro you make it look so easy 😢 i am here still getting destroyed
I like it
NGL waiting for the PS5 release But this game does look great on switch been considering getting it
El modo difícil está bastante equilibrado almenos para mí que solo el primera BOSS si o si debe buscado bien y saber todo del BOSS ya le resto tenés más opciones yo fue build mágico aunque el ataque más letal esclusivo del prota es de físico xd tipo Todopoderoso que puede pega critico
Pd:suerte y espero saquen VI y que sea como el IV :3 que eso era mi favoritos y con el motor del V junto a lo bien hecho que fueron el IV y IV apocalipsis será un joyas en jugabilidad y historia xd que el III y V están med almenos para mí en historia almenos en el V uno fue listo y no fue a morirse inutilmente xdd
I liked them how it's flawd in it's own creative way 💪🙌🔥. They should added Sadashiv that would be more menanc .
Hi dude❤,I'm a fan
Honestly i would probably let him destroy the universe he had a solid point
His theme is beyond sick 2:17
Shiva got put on ice.
Ye.
...maziobarion...? Haven't played the game yet, is this the new Thunder Reign or something?
The '-barion' skills are a new tier of elemental skills above the '-dyne' skills. The previously top-tier elemental skills with unique names like Thunder Reign are now relegated to be on the same level as the '-dyne' skills, but with Pierce ability added.
How did you get your magic to 152?!?!
Balms, pumping as many points as possible.
*slow menacing hip hop intensifies*