Rescuing Second Hand Space Marines!

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  • @EonsOfBattle
    @EonsOfBattle  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

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    • @knackigbrot
      @knackigbrot 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

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    • @make_it_epic
      @make_it_epic 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@knackigbrot hey there, sorry about this, its an issue that popped up due to how the new shipping system works, its being worked on by the platform developer and they said they should have a fix soon.

    • @make_it_epic
      @make_it_epic 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@knackigbrot Paypal is working again!

  • @WilhelmScreamer
    @WilhelmScreamer 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +679

    I hope the original owner sees that his models found a good home

    • @mordredpendragon1235
      @mordredpendragon1235 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

      The rogue trader way

    • @emerabaraguesi
      @emerabaraguesi 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      came here to type this exact comment haha fingers crossed!

    • @AightNineOne
      @AightNineOne 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Dunno man, i liked the original better but atleast they are loved

    • @STELEDAIM
      @STELEDAIM 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@AightNineOne I think you may have watched the video backwards...

    • @AightNineOne
      @AightNineOne 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@STELEDAIM no 🫨

  • @thedandyp
    @thedandyp 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +266

    I can imagine them going back to the second hand shelf, and the original painter walking by the shop and just thinking 'damn, I guess I was pretty good at painting afterall'.

  • @somefallenleaves
    @somefallenleaves 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +313

    4:25
    -but they dont look ✨special ✨
    *pulls out coolest infiltrator ive seen*

    • @bear9528
      @bear9528 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      exactly what I was thinking

  • @zicon4
    @zicon4 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Jay you gotta do more videos like this! Pimp my Minis: finding second hand figures and just enhancing what the old owner intended

  • @sabre0smile
    @sabre0smile 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +44

    I so wanna see more of this kinda rescue-restoration... where the original isn't paintstripped and lost forever, it's just cleaned up a little, neatened here and there. Takes a lot of skill to blend a new paintset into an existing one.
    I loved this so much, keeping the original paint and all just made my soul happy.

  • @_malprivate2543
    @_malprivate2543 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +191

    Super-sneaky stealth unit called "infiltrators"? Of course it's going to be painted in BRIGHT YELLOW on a purple planet! That's peak 40K, love it!

    • @HerbaceousM8
      @HerbaceousM8 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Nids must be colour blind. its like Deer that cant see Orange from Green

    • @PearlJam2k6
      @PearlJam2k6 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      It makes sense, any one spots them, they just yell "YOU CANNOT SEE ME, XENO FILTH." and put the fear of the God Emperor into them.

    • @sladewilson6584
      @sladewilson6584 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Can’t see them if your eyes hurt just looking at them

    • @euansmith3699
      @euansmith3699 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@PearlJam2k6 John Cena style? 😄😄😄👍

    • @joshy7759
      @joshy7759 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Truly some Imperial Fists logic in the best way possible.

  • @merahkuningminis
    @merahkuningminis 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    Another EoB W. Jay did it again. Instead of insulting and dunking a secondhand model's paintjob, he kept it positive as usual.

  • @petermartin9224
    @petermartin9224 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

    I've been in a bit of a painting funk these past few weeks, but Jay, your enthusiasm, is rubbing off.
    Tonight, we paint!

    • @wengeance8962
      @wengeance8962 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      keep it up

  • @ilmangiamandragole7857
    @ilmangiamandragole7857 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

    Wish my miniature shop had used minis too

  • @zeterzero4356
    @zeterzero4356 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Really love the enthusiasm for these and the mad respect you gave to their previous owner. Love love love the bright colors and coastline look. God bless you and your little menz.

  • @Fofostarfighter
    @Fofostarfighter 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    I love watching as Jay goes from being avid black templars to slowly slipping to just painting space marines whatever colours.

    • @CrimsenOverlordVideos
      @CrimsenOverlordVideos 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's how it always goes. I know I started with exclusively Kill Teams and now I have an entire army because I just kept finding cool minis.

  • @joshy7759
    @joshy7759 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    This is super encouraging to me:
    When I think about someone being skilled at the hobby or the like I'm worried they'll be able to x-ray in on my mistakes (they will, but thats okay).
    But this also reminds me that that equally comes with the abilitybto zoom in on whatever idea I had in mind, even if it isn't executed perfectly.

  • @Cadiangrunt99
    @Cadiangrunt99 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is the sort of thing I hope someday when I'm gone someone picks up my minis and keeps them going. People like you who do this are awesome.

  • @troopergio
    @troopergio 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +48

    I love buying pre-owned miniatures to add to my blood angels chapter project. I especially love buying people's converted space marines to add to it. I love the idea of having these miniatures with a history I dont know about before finding their way into my army.

    • @Matt-md5yt
      @Matt-md5yt 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      That is awesome

    • @noblereflex8332
      @noblereflex8332 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I agree, that is awesome. However, Alpha Legion minis are actively infiltrating your army 😂

  • @Sonof_DRN2004
    @Sonof_DRN2004 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    You could totally turn those into imperial fists and get a small Last wall protocol detachment to go with your black Templars.

    • @joshy7759
      @joshy7759 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Excoriators are SO COOL. I'm turning my artist action figure one into one even though I play Dark Angels cause they're so cool.
      For those who don't know: Bone color armored space Marines.
      Seems boring right?
      Cool part: Only damage that reduces the functionality of their armor is repaired. The rest is left and labelled with when where and what happened.
      So they just have this scarred armor with "lasrifle wound m39 whatever sector" "hormagaunt claw .... Etc all over

  • @lightningwolf788
    @lightningwolf788 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I love used shelves at game stores. I've gotten so many models for my Orks and World Eaters, and even a lot for my less played armies. It's also nice to let friends know something they need is there too.

  • @mogwiawolf4354
    @mogwiawolf4354 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Yes to the blue eyes works perfectly and love how they looked before and after

  • @darthkek1953
    @darthkek1953 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    A top tip to get smooth white primer is to use an airbrush and put the PSI up a LOT even up to 30 or 40. It helps atomise. Also don't be afraid of more thinner than you think.

  • @iain.sm.c
    @iain.sm.c 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I think you did a great job of bring those bases to life, I'm sure that whoever owned these models would be very chuffed that you kept to their vision and were able to execute properly!

  • @petejobson5036
    @petejobson5036 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That's such a good nugget of information about the white spray primer. I think thats spot on it dries in the air before hitting the model. I always wondered why sometimes my primer was dusty

  • @augustotanaka
    @augustotanaka 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Your enthusiasm and hapiness doing this always melt my heart. Thanks for everything Jay

  • @williamamely7038
    @williamamely7038 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    One has to admire your creativity, Jay. The touch ups, and enhancements you made to those models look great. Keep up the great work you do. 😊😊

  • @-TheMachineGod-
    @-TheMachineGod- 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Every time EOB uploads I get super inspired and say “today’s the day, I will finally get my word bearers finished and they will look amazing” I sit down at my painting desk and remember why I lost motivation to finish the guys in grey

  • @whofreakincares1000
    @whofreakincares1000 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    They look awesome. I love painting desaturated yellow. With guiliman coming in and changing up things with new units, who’s to say black Templar didn’t turn their “stealth recon” units into LOOK OVER HERE! Marines

  • @SilimSavertin
    @SilimSavertin 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    On my most recent yellow marines (Infernus Squad), I've gone with a very bright, shining green for the eyelenses, and it looks gorgeous. Definitely worth trying if you keep going with making some more yellow boys. I can't give you the exact color, as I've been using a very cheap local store brand green for it - it has terrible coverage and needs 3-5 layers just to make for decent eyes, but the end result is wonderful. A good bright green would definitely make it easier.

  • @jimbobfreddiewilson1
    @jimbobfreddiewilson1 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +85

    Ah yes, Luminous yellow, the most stealthy of colours.

    • @dataquid
      @dataquid 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      You dont need to be stealthy when you are walking cover.

    • @slavaukraini1991
      @slavaukraini1991 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Luckily the space marines are still broken and op

    • @jimbobfreddiewilson1
      @jimbobfreddiewilson1 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@slavaukraini1991 lol what game are you playing? Space marines are pretty bad rn.

    • @im_flat
      @im_flat 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      No one to report your position when they're all dead.

    • @MrZangetsu1997
      @MrZangetsu1997 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Good thing yellow blends in with all colours of light, you can blind anyone if the yellow is bright enough 😂

  • @Fenris86
    @Fenris86 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Gritty primer can also happen in very dry air. I had to rework some Cadians who got a sandpaperlike finish when I primed in the middle of summer.

  • @DodgyDodgyDodgy
    @DodgyDodgyDodgy 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Love that used shelf, best spot for cheap stuff!

  • @vincentjackson3472
    @vincentjackson3472 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Man, they look great... never thought id be a fan of yellow marines, but they slap!
    Nicely done

  • @pimvandergeer7179
    @pimvandergeer7179 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    ❤ the way you respect the origional. Our hobby is a journey ( with no fixed destination) and these might have fallen off at an earlier point, to be picked up by you and taken up just farther along. 👍💪💪

  • @TheMousquetaire
    @TheMousquetaire 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Yellow sounds Weird . But the painter had the idea and you did so good in painting them so well. Anyway, It is a nonsense but it worked. The marines in phobos armoire are so exceptionnal. The best in my opinion

  • @king_aeron
    @king_aeron 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Hey Jay, I think those are Marines Malevolent.

    • @Matt-md5yt
      @Matt-md5yt 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      And they are awesomely done

    • @Hugme778
      @Hugme778 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The best chapter for cool kids eho can actually party

    • @krakenattacken8230
      @krakenattacken8230 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I don't believe they are, normally the Marines malevolent have a black torso and yellow pauldrons

  • @Therealmanticorejones
    @Therealmanticorejones 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’ve only played incursors in combat patrol, but it seems like they’re actually pretty decent in melee. Those double combat knives are better than I expected.

  • @TheLongVigil
    @TheLongVigil 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I swear I've seen these exact minis at my FLGS that I game at in Wisconsin. Either that or someone had the same basing idea with the blue UV resin and cork. Beautiful Glowup for these models either way!

  • @garryame4008
    @garryame4008 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like the concept of Yellow Imperial Fist marines working alongside Black Templars. Sons of Dorn who got each others backs!

  • @TheMichaellathrop
    @TheMichaellathrop 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What if that yellow glaze over the first layer of highlights was something like a florescent yellow (or a 50/50 mix of florescent and regular yellow) to try and give yourself a value jump without the de-saturation? Or some TMM gold highlights.

  • @kosachilles2504
    @kosachilles2504 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I really love this! Its a breath of fresh air seening a unique paint scheme!

  • @wikyWargaming
    @wikyWargaming 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That leather looks like gryph-hound orange. I used it on my Beastmen. I think it's one of those single-pigment formulations.

  • @gewooneenchris
    @gewooneenchris 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I absolutely love these rescue videos! Please make a lot more of them

  • @40kdumdum
    @40kdumdum หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    for the black you could have used german grey from ak colours (it's the same thing)

  • @sharlockshacolmes9381
    @sharlockshacolmes9381 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love the yellow, it make them more generic sci-fi wich ironically in Warhammer make them less generic. Also saturated yellow + lavender is such an underrated combination

  • @Beastjaeger
    @Beastjaeger 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Stormspeeder could look cool with more of a modern military paintjob (a desert cream or a dark grey) going through a thick cloud of dust (using polyester cushion stuffing or cotton)

  • @_wild_bill__
    @_wild_bill__ 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video as usual! I appreciate you building a story for the minis and nice paint job!

  • @lordnagatron
    @lordnagatron 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Man, those are the cleanest most polished , shiny squeaky clean space marines in the galaxy, cant wait till they get some weathering and battle scarring. Those guys just stepped off the showroom floor, they look nice but way too new and perfect.

  • @glizzy2.O
    @glizzy2.O 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love the original paint and bases for their retro feel

  • @naib_stilgar
    @naib_stilgar 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great paintjob but the basing is star of the show here!

  • @LouieLowe
    @LouieLowe 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Really been looking for a place to get basing bits from never heard of epic basing really loving what I am seeing over there.

  • @jakenator13
    @jakenator13 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What's the model at 7:39?

  • @chadfontaine2717
    @chadfontaine2717 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love the yellow and purple! Very well done!

  • @cirno9349
    @cirno9349 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think this might be the best mini rescue out there

  • @billdefranza4927
    @billdefranza4927 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    10:08 once again, Imy brain hears you say, "your mom."

    • @Playongo
      @Playongo 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Heh, heh, shut up Butthead.

  • @poprostujakub5487
    @poprostujakub5487 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Since those Phobos guys are yellow and you are Black Templar player, you could always find explaination that they are squad of Unnumbered Sons of Dorn. You know, Greyshields, those fresh Primaris guys who haven't joined any chapter yet.

  • @AsgeirrSpjuth
    @AsgeirrSpjuth 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow your Black Templar incursor is fantastic!

  • @sleepingsheriff
    @sleepingsheriff 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Jesus Christ Jay, you didn't have to go that hard! They're amazing!

  • @antonyspencer6222
    @antonyspencer6222 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Brilliant work, they look fantastic in that scheme.

  • @thealaskanpiper
    @thealaskanpiper 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If you ever sell them I'd love to have them. They'd fit perfectly into my custom chapter in everyway. They look excellent!!

  • @mars8329
    @mars8329 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I wish I was as lucky to get such cool stuff on a used shelf lol😋 Amazing paint job!

  • @PraetorGix
    @PraetorGix 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nostalgia time! EoB doing weird and cool bases, it takes me back to simpler times :D

  • @roegenhobby
    @roegenhobby 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Really great tutorial and explained on highlights. I want to make my repaint like yours in future!

  • @ludovicosbarbaro9579
    @ludovicosbarbaro9579 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i want to say thank you , this video gave me the perfect idea for my iron warriors. A siege batlle along tthe beach a bit like d-day

  • @zebracookies2444
    @zebracookies2444 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Hay, just sayen, black templars hail from emperial fists...

  • @dyslexichitman
    @dyslexichitman 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    100% was a contrast paint, not base+wash like you thought.
    That looks exactly like how the yellow contrasts perform, or how they have for me!
    Also, I literally JUST got an order from epic basing!
    Thanks for being such a positive inspiration to my hobby!

  • @mtrox7848
    @mtrox7848 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You gave them the HD treatment; keeping that original vibe.

  • @7Starslayer7
    @7Starslayer7 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    they look amazing. outstanding work!

  • @artycharr
    @artycharr 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    "THESE MODELS ARE MINE NOW", = "THE RING IS MINE SAM!"

  • @YOSOYXOSE
    @YOSOYXOSE 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This video is exactly what I needed to see to get my to paint my infiltrators

  • @alfblack2
    @alfblack2 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    i do love the alien landscape

  • @HalianTheProtogen
    @HalianTheProtogen 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I always love seeing secondhand models rehabilitated. :D The yellow and blue color scheme makes me wonder if Craftworld Iyanden captured and impressed them into their service? :P

  • @waren1x
    @waren1x 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That looks absolutely awesome.

  • @KrakDuk
    @KrakDuk 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A good yellow paintjob always looks so nice. Wish I had the patients to do yellow lmao

    • @FrozenThrog
      @FrozenThrog 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yellow is not that hard, it just requires some prep.
      Vince Venturella has a really good video on yellow.

  • @benytreeide568
    @benytreeide568 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love the second hand section of my local store.

  • @graefx
    @graefx 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ngl, I think a Storm speeder painted to match would look really good. Do a more elaborate base with the water splitting underneath and waves curling back in on themselves and a strip of the purple alien coral ground down the middle. I'm interpreting the landscape to not be super deep water but just kinda ankle deep viscous blue liquid everywhere.

  • @joelgregory1097
    @joelgregory1097 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is awesome! More of these vids 🙌🏻

  • @rodolfomaravillasduran8793
    @rodolfomaravillasduran8793 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    For sure one of my favorite things about buying used models is finding someone's previous work.

  • @drachenkeks42
    @drachenkeks42 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    These guys look like Bionicle. I like that.

  • @marcopritoni7182
    @marcopritoni7182 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow the purple really fits well

    • @omnissiahGaspar
      @omnissiahGaspar 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I love how well colour theory works on minis, my ultramarines have yellow bases and purple shading on their armour and it works so well together

  • @stevenmcgrath5114
    @stevenmcgrath5114 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This yellow color scheme work will fir Imperial Fist under the command of Sigismond, first High Marshal of the Black Templars .

  • @Pilsudski_Tekken
    @Pilsudski_Tekken 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love this type of content. Awesome job!

  • @HerbaceousM8
    @HerbaceousM8 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    great Project! i have done similar spice up's of most of the used models i've gotten... unless they are really bad, haha

  • @JosephusHellyer
    @JosephusHellyer 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I would love to see you do lamentors with a similar yellow

  • @MrGBH
    @MrGBH 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So I guess this squad were doing recon for an area when some Black Templars showed up, and instead of arguing they chose to share data?
    Or they got cut off and the templars are their to rescue them?
    All sorts of storytelling possibilities

  • @smuggersmith1450
    @smuggersmith1450 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    if you make them imperial fist they'll blend into your templars well

  • @edimusprime
    @edimusprime 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Id love to see Jay get his hands on a chaos warhound and paint it up for his death guard. If he has enough paint

  • @Frosty4427
    @Frosty4427 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    They look like wasps, and that vibe suits phobos armour, I think

  • @cleymovie2947
    @cleymovie2947 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Infiltrators : we are sneaky
    Also Infiltrators : Yellow !

  • @CeriMullins-nq3mc
    @CeriMullins-nq3mc 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm allergic to green stuff and milliput, sadly so have to use bluetac.

  • @Ghostpanzer
    @Ghostpanzer 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey have you ever heard of joytoy ? They’re a better version of the mcfarlen ones , I’d love to see how you’d go about changing a joytoy figure and converting it to something else

  • @ilProde
    @ilProde 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice job! The colors really pop.

  • @A_Saboteur
    @A_Saboteur 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Could make them a special strike team sub division calling them the 'Templar Hornet Infiltration Division', they come out of no where, strike fast and sharp on alien worlds, leaving as fast as they arrived.

  • @whynotusepaper468
    @whynotusepaper468 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    They look amazing! Now i want to paint something yellow!

  • @CamAteUrKFC
    @CamAteUrKFC 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love the incursors and infiltrators 😅

  • @alessiodecarolis
    @alessiodecarolis 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The highlights on the Yellow are ok, but the ones on the Black are astounding, often Black painted details are dull,but these ones not.

  • @inflammes205
    @inflammes205 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What was that stray bullet on those magnificient storm speeders ?!
    I miss the ravenwing the v9 ravenwing so bad

  • @Gilchester
    @Gilchester 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What brand of UV resin do you use? Everything I've tried turns yellow and shrinks on curing.

  • @TheOgreishere
    @TheOgreishere 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    it kind of gives me ARC Trooper Vibes, pretty cool

  • @TimboMacDW
    @TimboMacDW 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I don't like space marines but if I was to collect them I would definitely just have mixed chapters to suit each type of unit. Salamanders for flamers, Raven Guard for stealthy boys, Blood Angels for stabby boys etc I think each have their own charm and so should be used as such. Why just collect one chapter?

    • @pimvandergeer7179
      @pimvandergeer7179 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I do this with my marines. They're Alpha legion, so if I want to paint up my eliminators as Raven guard, it's totally cannon. 😜( They just cosplay as another chapter to confuse and obfuscate 😎)

    • @Matt-md5yt
      @Matt-md5yt 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They also taken stuff from the Ravens ​@@pimvandergeer7179

    • @Hugme778
      @Hugme778 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thats literally the deathwatch

  • @murphybegood
    @murphybegood 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    jay they look incredible!!!

  • @aaronbourque5494
    @aaronbourque5494 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think a good 1950s hot rod color scheme could help a stormspeeder...

  • @benives254
    @benives254 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When you were drilling the side holes on the gun, the dude looked like was facepalming