Your movements are incredible. The tai sabaki is very tight with little wasted movement and the Iai/Kenjutsu techniques are closely integrated. A superb demonstration of Mugai Ryu. Thank you for showing it
Very interesting presentation. I would like to ask, are Mugai ryu and Shinto Muso Ryu related to each other? Some of this kumitachi looks very similat to Kasumi Shinto Ryu Kenjutsu from Shinto Muso Ryu curriculum. Regards.
I studied under Nakagawa Kinji sensei (now that style name is Nakagawa (tozan) ryu, its modern school with roots in Toyama ryu Morinaga-ha) when he is in Europe (or under his older students when he isnt) and that school has gekiken (free sparring with fukuro shinai), but not often (primarily focused on tameshigiri and batto than kenjutsu). I dont know how it works in other schools/styles/dojos. Sorry for my english.
Historical inertia. The old styles were mainly for practice between combat. Ofcourse they did do sparring in the samurai times. But it wasn't really a part of the curriculum, rather something that kids were expected to do. I've read at least one quote where the samurai said shinai sparring was just a game for him. And he shucked at it lol
Tenshinkai Dojo Try techniques with killing the enemy as the goal, not some fucking show-piece displays. The Katana is a weapon, made logically, and for the sole purpose of killing. If you're going to train with it, use it as so.
BloodstainedSinner Sure, I will kill my training-partner in every technique-training. Sadly this will bring me to prison after the first one and him to his grave. Anyway, you are very welcome to visit us and show your skill with a sword, not a keyboard, my friend.
BloodstainedSinner What you are seeing here is Mugai Ryu Kenjutsu and not free sparring. These are old techniques taught by Tsuji Gettan a famous Samurai still fighting in actual combat. All these techniques have been trained with a Shinken and if done properly the blade will get no damage. There are also techniques who are not using the Ukenagashi or Ukekaeshi principle, but these are Ura techniques which will not be shown openly. Free sparring and Kenjutsu Kata training are two different worlds. And trust me, I am training free sparring with many weapons and also unarmed combat. So sorry my friend, your comments are totally out of place and you are nothing but a Keyboard hero with a blown up ego. Our master has a very nice saying: "Damatte Keikoshiro!" which means: "Shut up and train!".
+BloodstainedSinner You clearly don't understand why japanese martial arts are practiced this way. When you are truly a master of your art you'll understand why this is so slow and formulaic. Kenjutsu IS the art of killing someone with a sword, but as with everything in japanese culture there is a high amount of respect and structure that goes with it. You are trying to compare european and western fighting values to eastern fighting values and they are not the same thing. This is the same kind of argument as with the whole stupid samurai vs knight argument. These guys practice slow because when they don't, they can kill eachother quite easily. You're also assuming that this is only a sword kata, but that would be incorrect. Most kata's are interchangable between weapons, and all of these katas used here are very similar to the kata's I learned with the bo staff and unarmed. In martial arts you learn how to restrain your strength, not unleash it. When practicing martial arts, you'll find those who take the more slow and methodical approach to sparring are always the better and more alert duelists in a real speed fight. I implore you to do a little research into the philosophy and methadology of japanese martial arts, because what I saw here was a masterful example of japanese swordsmanship.
You have my like,is a good video with good kenjutsu,but why your center stance are pointed to the stomach? i know that center stances must be pointed to the neck,perhaps in your style is different. Another thing is one of the first block,you block with on hand in the blade area,caracteristic of on technique from shinto mumen,this work with real sword? is a very danger technique,but all the others techniques are great,your iai technique is amazig,is fast and yours reactions are great,this is kenjutsu,very well.
It varies. Depends on the school and the era when the school was founded. The throat aim in modern kendo actually comes from very old original itto ryu, which was developed during the warring states era. Samurai fought with armor. The throat was a weak point. In the edo era, newer schools often lowered the gaurd. No armor. Stomach is open.
Probably not too well. There are a lot of factors at work. For one, HEMA spar regularly and most Koryu don't spar, instead they use kata to train. Most Koryu try to maintain the traditional teachings of the past, since pre-Edo samurai couldn't spar all out without risking injury, and safety equipment wasn't developed enough that they can do gekiken. If your goals are to train in Koryu while sparring with HEMA, you are probably better off learning from schools that regularly do gekiken like Tennen Rishin Ryu or Hokushin Itto ryu. But, I think this branch of Muagi Ryu still does gekiken occasionally.
This particular school, no. HEMA has a free sparring mentality, and this is kata. There are other schools of Kenjutsu that would easily fare with any HEMA practitioner. Whatever you do, "Shut up and train!"
You realize this what the real life Saito Hajime studied? An actual, documented killer? Dont confuse modern the kata training, done for preserving history, with the way they were historically used man. Even in Judo they have waza in their kata which is now banned in competition
Your movements are incredible. The tai sabaki is very tight with little wasted movement and the Iai/Kenjutsu techniques are closely integrated. A superb demonstration of Mugai Ryu. Thank you for showing it
Cool video. I didn't know Jason Stathem knew Kenjutsu.
+Curtis Beauchamp hahahahahahah
Lol someone laughed at my joke a year later XD
LOL this comment
Taux doux gd
good joke bud
Beautifully done! I would love to practice at your dojo one day!
Thank you.
Just wonderful
Very interesting presentation.
I would like to ask, are Mugai ryu and Shinto Muso Ryu related to each other? Some of this kumitachi looks very similat to Kasumi Shinto Ryu Kenjutsu from Shinto Muso Ryu curriculum.
Regards.
Thank you. You are right, we have the Kasumi Shinto Ryu Kenjutsu Kata in our curriculum. Niina Soke is Menkyo Kaiden in Muso Shinto Ryu.
@@TenshinkaiDojo thank You very much for You answer :) regards!
I love Japanese arts and the sword arts but why,other than Kendo aren't there sword styles that train with resistance and free sparring?
I studied under Nakagawa Kinji sensei (now that style name is Nakagawa (tozan) ryu, its modern school with roots in Toyama ryu Morinaga-ha) when he is in Europe (or under his older students when he isnt) and that school has gekiken (free sparring with fukuro shinai), but not often (primarily focused on tameshigiri and batto than kenjutsu). I dont know how it works in other schools/styles/dojos. Sorry for my english.
Historical inertia. The old styles were mainly for practice between combat.
Ofcourse they did do sparring in the samurai times. But it wasn't really a part of the curriculum, rather something that kids were expected to do.
I've read at least one quote where the samurai said shinai sparring was just a game for him. And he shucked at it lol
You have saya on shoto bokken? Thats what i cannot find to buy in my country. Btw. very nice forms. Keep training and i wish you good times on keiko.
Incredibly executed. beautiful form
Thank you
fabulous!
this is the dojo i go too XD
in cologne
You're lucky. So you still practice?
I'm curious but where can one get a white kimono/montsuki with kamons?
+Thomas Gegenhuber I am not a part of this organization but my guess is that they are costume made.
Muito bom!!!
are they using draw stance bokkuto ? thats the thinest bokkuto ive ever sean
***** Are you training with whole trees? These are quality Bokuto from Japan.
Tenshinkai Dojo Try techniques with killing the enemy as the goal, not some fucking show-piece displays. The Katana is a weapon, made logically, and for the sole purpose of killing. If you're going to train with it, use it as so.
BloodstainedSinner Sure, I will kill my training-partner in every technique-training. Sadly this will bring me to prison after the first one and him to his grave. Anyway, you are very welcome to visit us and show your skill with a sword, not a keyboard, my friend.
BloodstainedSinner What you are seeing here is Mugai Ryu Kenjutsu and not free sparring. These are old techniques taught by Tsuji Gettan a famous Samurai still fighting in actual combat. All these techniques have been trained with a Shinken and if done properly the blade will get no damage. There are also techniques who are not using the Ukenagashi or Ukekaeshi principle, but these are Ura techniques which will not be shown openly.
Free sparring and Kenjutsu Kata training are two different worlds. And trust me, I am training free sparring with many weapons and also unarmed combat. So sorry my friend, your comments are totally out of place and you are nothing but a Keyboard hero with a blown up ego. Our master has a very nice saying: "Damatte Keikoshiro!" which means: "Shut up and train!".
+BloodstainedSinner You clearly don't understand why japanese martial arts are practiced this way. When you are truly a master of your art you'll understand why this is so slow and formulaic. Kenjutsu IS the art of killing someone with a sword, but as with everything in japanese culture there is a high amount of respect and structure that goes with it. You are trying to compare european and western fighting values to eastern fighting values and they are not the same thing. This is the same kind of argument as with the whole stupid samurai vs knight argument. These guys practice slow because when they don't, they can kill eachother quite easily. You're also assuming that this is only a sword kata, but that would be incorrect. Most kata's are interchangable between weapons, and all of these katas used here are very similar to the kata's I learned with the bo staff and unarmed. In martial arts you learn how to restrain your strength, not unleash it. When practicing martial arts, you'll find those who take the more slow and methodical approach to sparring are always the better and more alert duelists in a real speed fight. I implore you to do a little research into the philosophy and methadology of japanese martial arts, because what I saw here was a masterful example of japanese swordsmanship.
You have my like,is a good video with good kenjutsu,but why your center stance are pointed to the stomach? i know that center stances must be pointed to the neck,perhaps in your style is different. Another thing is one of the first block,you block with on hand in the blade area,caracteristic of on technique from shinto mumen,this work with real sword? is a very danger technique,but all the others techniques are great,your iai technique is amazig,is fast and yours reactions are great,this is kenjutsu,very well.
It varies. Depends on the school and the era when the school was founded.
The throat aim in modern kendo actually comes from very old original itto ryu, which was developed during the warring states era. Samurai fought with armor. The throat was a weak point.
In the edo era, newer schools often lowered the gaurd. No armor. Stomach is open.
Not trying to be offensive, matter of fact I like Japanese arts. But would this fare well against HEMA?
Probably not too well. There are a lot of factors at work. For one, HEMA spar regularly and most Koryu don't spar, instead they use kata to train. Most Koryu try to maintain the traditional teachings of the past, since pre-Edo samurai couldn't spar all out without risking injury, and safety equipment wasn't developed enough that they can do gekiken. If your goals are to train in Koryu while sparring with HEMA, you are probably better off learning from schools that regularly do gekiken like Tennen Rishin Ryu or Hokushin Itto ryu. But, I think this branch of Muagi Ryu still does gekiken occasionally.
This particular school, no. HEMA has a free sparring mentality, and this is kata. There are other schools of Kenjutsu that would easily fare with any HEMA practitioner. Whatever you do, "Shut up and train!"
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The wing chun of Japanese swordplay lmao
You realize this what the real life Saito Hajime studied? An actual, documented killer?
Dont confuse modern the kata training, done for preserving history, with the way they were historically used man. Even in Judo they have waza in their kata which is now banned in competition