How To Use SP-404 MKII As External Effect In Ableton Live

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  • @LowHeatBeats
    @LowHeatBeats  ปีที่แล้ว +3

    SP-404 Effects Rack (free and paid versions available) + sample pack lowheat.gumroad.com

  • @arikcruz5682
    @arikcruz5682 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hey Low Heat! Been using your original SP404 Ableton rack for a few years now, love your plugins! I just now stumbled upon your TH-cam channel and it's great to know you make other content. Keep up the good work and stay safe!

    • @LowHeatBeats
      @LowHeatBeats  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hey Arik, thank you so much, I really appreciate it!

  • @shawndaniel7673
    @shawndaniel7673 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Knocking it out of the park between this vid and the SP404 Ableton Rack Vid. This has been super helpful and has made creating soooooo much more easier and fun. Thanks for this, man!

    • @LowHeatBeats
      @LowHeatBeats  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you Shawn, I’m so glad the videos were helpful!

    • @shawndaniel7673
      @shawndaniel7673 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Of course!! One question though. I did follow your method for the second one and am experiencing what seems like a bit of a feedback loop. I'm using the same I/O setup as you, but when I turn say, the filter on, i get piercing feedback. Not even audio just feedback. Is it the monitor or something I'm doing wrong with my SP?@@LowHeatBeats

    • @LowHeatBeats
      @LowHeatBeats  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@shawndaniel7673 Hard to say for sure. If you're getting feedback then the output is fed back into the input. So maybe you've connected the SP input to the main output of your audio interface and/or you've got the wrong output selected in the External effect device. Either way, it's hard to troubleshoot without seeing how you have it set up.

  • @klausherbert3040
    @klausherbert3040 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    As a windows user I recommend FlexAsio. You can also stream easily with it

    • @LowHeatBeats
      @LowHeatBeats  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you! I'm not really up to date on the Windows side of things, so your input is really useful.

    • @Oddand-wu2ll
      @Oddand-wu2ll ปีที่แล้ว

      How do I set multiple outputs in flexasio?? Please let me know,,

  • @thecalver
    @thecalver ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just about to finally do this, haven’t used Ableton in over a year (computer related burnout) been trying DAWless. Thanks for this video bro !

    • @LowHeatBeats
      @LowHeatBeats  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      My pleasure bro, glad it was useful!

  • @ElNabulsi
    @ElNabulsi ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Bro the beat you are effecting is amazing!!! 👏👏👏

    • @LowHeatBeats
      @LowHeatBeats  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Much appreciated! A good reminder to actually finish that beat, I had forgotten about it.

    • @ElNabulsi
      @ElNabulsi ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@LowHeatBeats I was just about to say, please direct me to the finished song so I can listen to it :D Loving the 90s R&B vibe on this!

    • @LowHeatBeats
      @LowHeatBeats  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I’ve got plenty of music on Spotify/Apple Music that you may like - link in description.

  • @duc3r_prod
    @duc3r_prod ปีที่แล้ว

    Ty man! I'm a FL user but it's basicly the same for the outputs and inputs theory, ty!

    • @LowHeatBeats
      @LowHeatBeats  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah, the principle can be applied to any DAW. Glad it was useful!

    • @duc3r_prod
      @duc3r_prod ปีที่แล้ว

      @@LowHeatBeats one question, you didnt had any feed back? in FL its the worst, since it doeasnt have those out in options, just drivers and so it gets a lot of feedback

  • @murmur8360
    @murmur8360 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video! I've been using the second method with interface for last couple years and it's great.
    But now i have a macbook for music on the sofa and i was going to plug my sp in and do the first method for fun.
    I just was wondering about the signal flow using the first method. Say i wanted to use the mkii 303 compressor on the master. Would the first method basically just be ableton mix>ableton master fx> spmkii?
    Would there be no way to have the spmkii compressor before Ableton master effects? Such as eq and limiter?
    Thank you for any help, i appreciate this is a little older video!

    • @LowHeatBeats
      @LowHeatBeats  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hey, no, with the first method you can't put your Ableton master effects after the SP effects because you're using the SP as an audio interface, so it will always be the last thing in your chain.

    • @murmur8360
      @murmur8360 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@LowHeatBeats hey thank you for the reply! That's okay i guess i can turn off master effects, resample into a new track in Ableton then turn master fx back on i guess lol.
      Thank you for clearing that up!

  • @JaiReeve-k6f
    @JaiReeve-k6f 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hey dude. Love the vids! struggling to get the second method working. I have 8 inputs and 8 outs on my interface. Is there something i should be routing on focusrire Mix control to get it to work?
    I have done the exact setup. but dont seem to get any signal back.
    Please help!

    • @LowHeatBeats
      @LowHeatBeats  26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Hey thanks! You're not the first person that has had problems with it and asked me about this but unfortunately I can't help with the internal routing of your Focusrite as I don't have one. The MOTU I'm using doesn't have any routing software, so it's much more strightforward to set up.

    • @JaiReeve-k6f
      @JaiReeve-k6f 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@LowHeatBeats Really appreciate you getting back to me so quick. Keep up the good vids dude !

  • @sammy18026
    @sammy18026 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is so dope thank u for sharing this

  • @RaskolnikovR
    @RaskolnikovR ปีที่แล้ว +1

    very useful thanks

  • @prezsha
    @prezsha ปีที่แล้ว

    Man, your vids are so dope! I have only one issue, would you happen to know how I’d accomplish this same work flow but using Logic Pro instead of Ableton? This is the perfect set up. But I am new to Logic and don’t use Ableton Live. 😅

    • @LowHeatBeats
      @LowHeatBeats  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hey, thank you so much! Unfortunately I don't have Logic, so I can't explain the exact process of doing it there, but I'm sure it's possible.

    • @prezsha
      @prezsha ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for replying. I’m going to keep watching your vid and attempt to translate it to Logic OR just get Ableton. Lol

  • @deprime9521
    @deprime9521 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm using my sp as an audio interface, how do you increase the input gain when recording an FX performance? I'm doing the same thing you're doing at 2:33 but the audio it records is very quiet.

    • @LowHeatBeats
      @LowHeatBeats  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Go to Utility - System - Gain and try changing some of the settings. Maybe setting USB out to 0db will help? I can’t say for sure as I haven’t changed any of these settings in a while but try it and let me know.

  • @AmazirProd
    @AmazirProd 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hiiii Man Thanks for the great video ! But I have a problem, I still have feedback when doing all the steps correctly. I have a sp404 mkII , focusrite clarett 4pre, and Ableton Live suite

    • @LowHeatBeats
      @LowHeatBeats  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hey, sorry to hear that. If you did everything correctly, it's probably the routing in your audio interface's internal mixer that's causing this problem. Unfortunately I don't have a Focusrite interface, so i can't help with that.

  • @raSedoRi990
    @raSedoRi990 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    im on the second method but when i do the effects on my sp404, i hear the effects being processed but i still hear the original track playing through it

    • @LowHeatBeats
      @LowHeatBeats  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Maybe you have the direct monitor enabled on your audio interface?

  • @brwnallaround
    @brwnallaround ปีที่แล้ว

    thanks for this, as there's not a lot of tutorials on using the 404mk2 with daws. if you wanted to just run your drums through the fx of the sp isn't there a way to use the busses in the sp to achieve this? i think blezz did a tutorial on how to do it with maschine+

    • @LowHeatBeats
      @LowHeatBeats  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Glad the video was useful! You’re always using the busses, regardless of which method you choose.

  • @sergoz123
    @sergoz123 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sorry I don't know if I missed the part where you talk about the pros and cons of each method, can't find it in the video. So far I've been using the first method since it's an easier setup and it's been awesome.

    • @LowHeatBeats
      @LowHeatBeats  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, first method is more straight forward. If you're using an audio interface you can process separate tracks in your project or even use it as a return effect. It may also be more convenient if you're already using an interface, since you don't have to change your audio input and output device every time you want to use the SP as an effect in Live.

    • @sergoz123
      @sergoz123 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@LowHeatBeats Have you tried it as a return effect? I read somewhere that it's not quite well cut out for that since apparently you can't make the effects on it 100% wet. Could be wrong tho.

    • @LowHeatBeats
      @LowHeatBeats  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, some of the effects work as 100% wet like the reverbs but for me the SP is all about the performance and lo-fi effects which are not made to be used like that. I'm just saying it's possible, but not useful to me.

  • @followilko
    @followilko ปีที่แล้ว

    hey man thanks for this tutorial! Great work. Question which is slightly offtopic but perhaps you can help out:
    When playing sounds through the 404 via an audiointerface & speakers, I have quite a big input delay (when tapping pads on the 404 i get slow response from speakers). Close to half a second. Do you know any ways to solve this?

    • @LowHeatBeats
      @LowHeatBeats  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I talked about ASIO drivers in the video but also I have an old video, explaining all possible reasons for this: th-cam.com/video/a-O9s2_qpBY/w-d-xo.html
      Definitely watch it, it will surely answer your question.

  • @ezekiellerner-wood6204
    @ezekiellerner-wood6204 ปีที่แล้ว

    Does this workflow work with the SP-404sx as well? Or do I have to use an SD card with that device? Debating if the 404 mk2 is worth it if I just want the fx capabilities… seems like it for the workflow

    • @LowHeatBeats
      @LowHeatBeats  ปีที่แล้ว

      The SX doesn’t work as an audio interface but using the second method (with your own audio interface) will work exactly the same as with the MK2. I’d say that the MK2 is a bit of an overkill if you’re using it just for the FX, even though it has more of them.

    • @ezekiellerner-wood6204
      @ezekiellerner-wood6204 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@LowHeatBeats Hey, I ended up getting the Mk2, and I'm loving it, except when I go to record fx into Ableton using the Mk2 as an interface, my audio comes out super quiet. Any suggestions on how to fix ?

  • @mabybaysh
    @mabybaysh 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    2:36 - How are effects being applied to the EXT SOURCE? Normally effects are applied to BUS 1 or BUS 2 when pressing the buttons? When I press effects buttons I hear no effects.

    • @LowHeatBeats
      @LowHeatBeats  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If you’re having trouble check out some of the comments under the video for solutions. I think with the latest firmware on the SP they changed the default value of the USB in setting (don’t remember the actual name as I’m not in front of my SP atm but iirc you have to set it to LINE in or something like that.

    • @Bombey.77
      @Bombey.77 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Do you solve this problem?

  • @sootrasounds
    @sootrasounds 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I’ve been having issues with no signal from “audio from” in external audio effect… please help.

    • @LowHeatBeats
      @LowHeatBeats  22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Assuming you've done everything correctly and external input is enabled on the SP, are you using an audio interface? If so, does it gave it own routing software?

    • @sootrasounds
      @sootrasounds 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@LowHeatBeats Yes I have an RME UCX II and I’m using TotalMix, however I found that the issue was that I needed to enable the microphone on my Mac settings so that Ableton can receive signal… now my issue is feedback looping lol.

    • @LowHeatBeats
      @LowHeatBeats  21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@sootrasounds Aahh yeah, sorry to hear that, but you should definitely be able to solve that with the correct routing in TotalMix.

  • @MK-vi2cm
    @MK-vi2cm ปีที่แล้ว

    That beat is fire is it on any platforms to listen to?

    • @LowHeatBeats
      @LowHeatBeats  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Much appreciated! But no, I haven’t finished and released this one. Still, do check out my Spotify (from the Linktree in the description) for some similar tracks.

    • @MK-vi2cm
      @MK-vi2cm ปีที่แล้ว

      @@LowHeatBeats your music is fire bro been listening all morning 🔥
      I came back to this vid just to hear this beat again after I listened to the ones on your soundcloud

    • @LowHeatBeats
      @LowHeatBeats  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MK-vi2cm Awesome, thank you so much for listening!

  • @lwpweb
    @lwpweb ปีที่แล้ว

    using the 404 in a dawless config: can the line input fe.e. an ext. Synth use the inbuild effects of the sp404.

    • @LowHeatBeats
      @LowHeatBeats  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It sure can

    • @lwpweb
      @lwpweb ปีที่แล้ว

      @@LowHeatBeats Thanks

  • @geebee44
    @geebee44 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks...

  • @evanacosta8946
    @evanacosta8946 ปีที่แล้ว

    Odd, I can't seem to figure out how to get the fx to work. The audio is routed through my 404 via usb and out to a speaker using the line out ports, and audio comes through but the effects don't do anything when pressed

    • @LowHeatBeats
      @LowHeatBeats  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Shift+pad 16, then go to the last tab (other) and make sure input bus is set to bus 1.

    • @evanacosta8946
      @evanacosta8946 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@LowHeatBeats figured that out right after posting that comment, but thanks!

    • @Kepitt
      @Kepitt 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@LowHeatBeats For the first method I tried that, did everything else I could think of, have a usb cable specifically for data transfer as I read online, and STILL the audio goes through but the fx never work. Is there something I'm missing?

    • @LowHeatBeats
      @LowHeatBeats  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Kepitt Try going to efx settings on the SP > other > and set "input bus" as bus 1.

  • @TheVinylVillains
    @TheVinylVillains หลายเดือนก่อน

    so why didn't you play the clip you recorded?

    • @LowHeatBeats
      @LowHeatBeats  หลายเดือนก่อน

      I don’t remember, I made this video a couple of years ago.

    • @TheVinylVillains
      @TheVinylVillains หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@LowHeatBeatsI’m not convinced that after you recorded it that the clip you recorded played with the effects on it by itself. It also looks like a lot of things weren’t explained in detail or a few steps were skipped like the input/output wiring while using usb mode.

    • @LowHeatBeats
      @LowHeatBeats  หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TheVinylVillains ​ Did you try it though? It only takes 1-2 mins to try it and see for yourself, it's really simple to set up. But yeah, I rewatched the vid and I don't think anything was skipped and I didn't miss any steps - I did show how to create and audio track in Live and set up the inputs, as well as the audio input and output device in Preferences. As for not being convinced about the clip having the effects recorded - you can see that the waveform changes as I apply the effects and I didn't play it back, because I didn't want to make the video too long.

  • @bloopbleepnothinghere
    @bloopbleepnothinghere ปีที่แล้ว

    I also cannot get this to work. MacOS, Ableton 1.13.x, firmware is v3.x, input bus is 1 (neither 1 or 2 work). Enabling/disabling Ext Source makes no difference, it's as if whatever I do it just bypasses all the internal FX and mixes straight out :(
    I'm thinking of doing a whole factory reset because I must have changed some setting somewhere. So frustrating, lol.
    Edit: I did a factory reset - then noticed I had Ableton Master Out set to 3&4 which appears to be the line out from the SP, not the mix out (which has the fx busses). Lol. Pretty sure I tried this before the factory reset, but now I am happy!
    cc. @interpol8994

    • @LowHeatBeats
      @LowHeatBeats  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes if you're using the SP as audio interface, outs 3+4 don't go through the effects. Glad you figured it out!

  • @dizketto
    @dizketto ปีที่แล้ว

    it doesn´t seem to work on windows whatever drivers you use...

    • @dizketto
      @dizketto ปีที่แล้ว

      nevermind... just for info, you need to set in the settings -> General -> Usb In to LINE IN ... i had it on MIX OUT hehehe :)

    • @LowHeatBeats
      @LowHeatBeats  ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad you got it working! I think they changed the default setting to Mix Out with the latest update, before that (when I made this video) it worked right out of the box.

  • @TommyRarivoson
    @TommyRarivoson 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have a feedback noise i did everything right for the second method

    • @LowHeatBeats
      @LowHeatBeats  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      What audio interface are you using? Some interfaces have their own mixer and the way the routing has been setup there may cause such problems.

    • @TommyRarivoson
      @TommyRarivoson 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@LowHeatBeats I have evo 8

    • @LowHeatBeats
      @LowHeatBeats  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah, Evo8 has its own mixer, I have one but I haven't tried setting it up with the SP. But it's 100% possible, it's just the internal routing (maybe the loopback feature?) that's creating the feedback.

    • @TommyRarivoson
      @TommyRarivoson 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@LowHeatBeats oh maybe i will check

  • @taller513
    @taller513 ปีที่แล้ว

    The first option doesn´t work me, i dont know for what!

    • @LowHeatBeats
      @LowHeatBeats  ปีที่แล้ว

      You don't see at as audio device in your computer or sounds don't pass through the effects?

    • @taller513
      @taller513 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@LowHeatBeats it plays and works, but the sounds don't pass through the effects

    • @LowHeatBeats
      @LowHeatBeats  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@taller513 Go to Utility - System and in the General tab scroll to USB in and make sure it's set to LINE IN. Let me know if it works.

    • @taller513
      @taller513 ปีที่แล้ว

      the audio comes out of ableton and I hear it perfectly in the headphones connected to the sp404 mk2, but the fx does nothing, I've done what you told me and it's still the same, even if I turn off on and turn on "ext source"@@LowHeatBeats

    • @LowHeatBeats
      @LowHeatBeats  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@taller513 If ext source doesn't make a difference, and USB IN is set to Line In, then you must be using outputs 3/4 as main outputs in Ableton. These outputs don't pass through the effects. Set Ableton's Master Out to 1/2, which should be the default anyway.

  • @ishtay
    @ishtay 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Im following all the steps but there is no sound comming when ext audio pluging is on the track. I can se the meters blinks, but there is no audio. HELP

    • @LowHeatBeats
      @LowHeatBeats  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Aahh, sorry to hear that. One thing that some people in the comments have had to do was going in Untility - System - General and make sure Usb In is set to to LINE IN. If it still doesn't work, please read some of the comments from other users under the video, there are easy solutions listed for most problems you can encounter with setting this up.

    • @ishtay
      @ishtay 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@LowHeatBeats Unfortunately, that's not the problem, it's set to line in. The first part of the video works, what doesn't work is the second one, the putting the effects on individual tracks :(

    • @LowHeatBeats
      @LowHeatBeats  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@ishtay Does your audio interface have its own mixer/routing software? Some people have trouble getting it to work because they haven't set the routing correctly, which is obviously outside of the scope of this tutorial. On a simple interface without an internal mixer it's pretty straight forward.

    • @ishtay
      @ishtay 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@LowHeatBeats Didn't see this answer. The software was not updated so it was doing weird things, you gave me the clue to check that out. GAAAAAD DAAAAYYYUM It worked! Just came back to show some love

    • @LowHeatBeats
      @LowHeatBeats  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Awesome!

  • @truesearch69
    @truesearch69 ปีที่แล้ว

    Please sir help me.. please... the second method can work with ¿¿ MOTU M2 ?? + 404 sp Mk2, need record Efx on the complete track.
    please sir

    • @LowHeatBeats
      @LowHeatBeats  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No, for the second method you need at least 4 outs, I explained this in the video.

    • @truesearch69
      @truesearch69 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@LowHeatBeats Analog outputs 2 x 1/4" TRS line out (balanced, DC coupled) 2 x RCA (unbalanced) analog out (mirrored) 1 x 1/4" TRS stereo headphone
      but here say the motu m2 have 4 outputs
      x2 Trs balanced ( for my Yamaha hs5)
      and the x2 Rca unbalanced to my¿¿ sp mk2 ??
      I need to record effects on a complete beat, not in separate parts.
      but I don't want to pass the recorded beat from my mk2 in Ableton, back to the Roland, when I dump it to the mk2 to record effects, I want to avoid this so that there is no loss, I mean keep the first pristine recording that your sampler makes to the DAW.
      Is it possible to play with the effects with this pristine recording, without having to dump it back into the sampler and record it again?
      is it possible, having the beat recorded in Ableton? without having to dump it back to the mk2 to use effects? how is it possible to do this on my mk2 and my motu m2? please help me, i would really appreciate it.

    • @LowHeatBeats
      @LowHeatBeats  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@truesearch69 These are not separate outputs, the RCA on the M2 just mirror the main outputs. They don't appear as outs 3/4 in Ableton. I've explained in full detail what you need and what you have to do in the video. I also said not to ask me if you can do it with a 2 in and 2 out interface 😂 You can just try the first method with the SP as audio interface.

    • @truesearch69
      @truesearch69 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@LowHeatBeats do you know if it affects anything to lower the gain of the master channel so that your effects don't distort ?
      how is it possible to get a Lufs of -10 or -9 using the sp effects without distorting... it's a doubt I've always had, since by lowering -3db or -2db on the master channel, you're losing a lot.
      about the M2 having mirrored outputs, wow... i didn't know that. what a bummer... i'll have to buy an m4 in the summer... but they are so expensive... they have been going through the roof since i bought my m2 about 1-2 years ago.
      thank you for your willingness to respond to a cement head like me, brother I appreciate it.

  • @Deadmicsraps
    @Deadmicsraps ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have tried hella times to get this to work. I don’t know what the hell I’m doing wrong.

    • @LowHeatBeats
      @LowHeatBeats  ปีที่แล้ว

      Are you sure you followed the instructions exactly?

    • @evanacosta8946
      @evanacosta8946 ปีที่แล้ว

      I just figured this out after banging my head over it for an hour. You have to go to efx settings > other > and set "input bus" as bus 1. Then bus 1 fx will work on all input audio! Not sure why I couldn't find a video mentioning this but looking through the manual did the job

    • @interpol8994
      @interpol8994 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah it's not working for me either, I was getting feedback audio to 3/4 and from 3/4 which means sound is coming in, but then I changed the "audio from" to 1/2 which is what it should be, given my apollo twin setup but still not working... Anybody know how to fix this? I checked the other potential issues but i'm still getting stuck.

    • @LowHeatBeats
      @LowHeatBeats  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@interpol8994 Unfortunately I can't help with this one. With those more complicated interfaces like the Apollo that have a software mixer you have to be very familiar with how the routing works in that mixer. I always prefer a simple interface like the Motu that I use, as it has all the controls on the front panel and routing is very straight forward.