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Is It Good Or Is It Trash? Expandable Baton For Self Defense
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I find it a bit strange that in a country where civilians are permitted to carry firearms, a baton could be illegal.
Agreed. Lots of weird laws like that.
cuz batons don have lobbying power
I rather have that baton, than nothing at all...
Yes i'm a Police Instructor i teach how to control a person using the baton 95 way. All of them we don't hit the person total control to the floor and arrest. . No injury . Thanks.
Firearm gives no pain when shot in head from point blank, this would cause pain.
I'm 70. I'm 5'6" tall. I'm thinking that my baton is a lot better than nothing.
Especially with proper training that even cops don't get.
In Poland, an expandable baton as well as many other self-defense tools, such as pepper spray, is legal and I think it is a good thing, because there is something to defend yourself just in case.
Amen! And better to prepare for what may come next! Prepare or perish!
But you are not allowed to play poker ! or gamble
Are there any countries where pepper spray is illegal?
Matt, I'm a retired cop. We carried the ASP brand, and they worked fine. You get what you pay for. The primary reason that some cops won't use it is because of excessive force complaints / lawsuits.
Need training. 95 way to control .
Lawsuits ruin most things.
@@pasquinilli ambulance chasing lawyers are frothing at the mouth when they see LEO use tools such as batons on criminals.
definitely law suits being the pain
@@jae1554 Poor police officers cant even brutally beat people with expendable batons anymore 😥
If the government doesn’t want you to have them - you know they are effective.
Haha. Truth
Gotta keep that monopoly on violence… Now, if they could only be everywhere all the time 🤔
Or a gun lobby wants to force us to use guns.
Right on,sir
I used an ASP A50 to protect myself from an attack by a German shepherd and a husky mix. On first contact the husky spooked and ran back, the GSD lunged and I used a parrying movement to divert its head with the edge of the baton, it regained balance and lunged again, this time I preformed a thrust just above the jugular notch and the dog was done. Not seriously injured, but done. The owner who’s been letting them “off leash” actually thanked me and apologized. I think people are thinking of the baton incorrectly and don’t know what to do with it and that is why it is ineffective and dangerous. My granddad was a five combat jump WW2 vet from the 82nd airborne and the man would not go anywhere without a self made billy club or walking stick. My father in law is a 35 plus year police veteran and S.W.A.T Founding member and he swears to this day by a straight stick (he doesn’t use modern technique). To me if you know what you’re doing it’s very effective. It’s also very easy to procure a baton like implement anywhere. I hate to see it disparaged and police especially receive bad training. Through human history a rod or club has been a staple defense tool (That’s what 5,000 to 10,000 years of proof). So I take issue with saying a baton categorically is an ineffective tool. I would be more likely to say that modern first world humans have lost defensive viability due to just a few generations of a soft environment.
Clubs are very effective. Got attacked by a stray dog. Won with a broken tree branch.
They passed a law in 2017 in TEXAS. batons switchblades ,brass knuckles, Bowie knives, swords, butterfly knives, machetes, Ninja stars and nunchucks and self defense keychains,trench knives are all legal now.
Oh ok. That’s good to know. Thank you!
Passed a law?! We have the right to bear arms in the usa. Any law against that is null and void, thats the truth. Fuk the blue line a holes and their nanny state. Be free men!! Act free!!
Hell yeah Texas is doing it right. The entire nation needs to follow suit as the lone star state
Great for Texas
All these things have been legal in NH since forever. Switchblades in 2010 or 09 I think
Why would you want to go to contact with someone if you are using a baton ? if you have a boxer in front of you , he will knock you out as soon as you are at his arm's reach. Baton is used to avoid someone coming too close to you, You do fast swings with the baton at your torso height, so the guy who want to hurt you gonna have his hands broken in a matter of seconds
Maybe. But he could also close the distance quickly with a good guard and you opportunity to execute a slashing strike is now gone. Better know how to fight close contact.
I was monadnock certified and I was taught to go for knees and elbows. You shatter somebody’s knee or elbow they are finished attacking. They don’t want to attack anymore. If you try to get close enough for a stomach strike you are gonna lose. I can end the confrontation with one knee or elbow strike. I can break the forearm. Break the tibia.
My dad is a retired cop, when I showed him mine (illegal here in California) he said the same thing, "go for elbows and knees".
@@l3nnyable they are pretty much illegal in every state unless you are law enforcement or certified by an approved agency.
@@LeviHeatonIII yeah.... I got mine off Wish. 🤣🤣 I'm more of a weapon collector than anything.
@@l3nnyable I don’t think they are illegal to own. They are illegal to carry. You just can’t wear it around for self defense. But as far as I know you can have it for home defense. I’m not an attorney. So don’t take my word for it.
@@LeviHeatonIII my little brother is a Sheriff's deputy. He said if someone asks, just say it's a "broken selfie stick I got from Wish".... it's half true. 🤷♀️
Great video, I like your charisma and explanation
Thank you!
Illegal in Canada includes batons, pepper spray, tasers, nunchucks, throwing stars, switch blades, etc..
The most beautiful take down I ever saw was with a baton on a guy running from a fight. The cop just took a couple of steps and popped the fleeing guy in the back of the leg. He went down like a sack of bricks. Onlookers gave a collective gasp and responded with a polite golf clap. It was expert work.
I saw a guy take down a monster of a guy, 6'6", 300 + and one strike with a smaller version and he drop like a rock.
Hol' up... your telling me that beating the flying f*ck out of someone with a two foot metal *rod* is LESS effective than poke in the tummy...I don't know who these people think they're fighting, but ain't nobody tanking a hit to the noggin with one of these👀
People take a hit to the head over and over again and don’t flinch. I’ve seen it. Many cops have seen it. If you thrust through the solar plexus or lower, you will put someone on the ground. If the thrust in through the face they will fly backwards. If the thrust goes through the windpipe then they most likely won’t survive. Cops used to carry straight batons and were very effective with thrusts. Now most cops won’t even pull the expandable baton out of its holster because it is so ineffective and bad optics.
Please do an updated video. They have updated laws all across America and most states are now legal.
Will do. Thanks
An umbrella - including an expandable one - would work for most of these techniques, even though most aren't very sturdy. And isn't illegal. You carry it in case of rain, but if attacked use what you have.
Yes! Excellent advice!
They do sell heavy duty umbrellas
made for striking. But it's heavy to carry around.
An umbrella isn't aero dynamic and won't hit as hard obviously because of the huge flaps on it. And you wouldn't carry an umbrella around everywhere. Like in the summer when it's hot and sunny out, you'll look stupid. You can conceal an expandable baton but not an umbrella
It is why I like a tactical flashlight - you can flash it into the eyes of the bad guy (attacker). If he is drunk or high, I think that would be effective on the eyes - shining him with it, and you can also strike with it too. Also it is much harder to block it or take it away. Also, flashlights are legal everywhere and you can even take it into a bar.
I have a "Olight" flashlight it's almost blinding when shined in the eyes.
This was a great one Matt. I have actually never used these batons for any techniques and I think I may have only had one in my hands perhaps one or two times. So, I sort of forgot about these, but I'm interested in these again now. Thanks for the great material as always!
Thanks Justin.
A wise man once told me...the expandable baton is best deployed as a reflex tool.
I have carried one for years at night on walks to protect myself from dogs. I need it once or twice a year. I have never had to hit a dog. But I expect if you hit a person on the hands, elbows or knees hard enough they are gonna stop long enough to hit them again and run.
I’d think an umbrella would be more effective in warding off a dog.
Just pop the thing open between you and the dog and I don’t think the dog is gonna know it’s just fabric.
@sdr24 I would say ..if u are living in such a place which have some dogs ...the best way to protect yourself ... to have a umbrella and if it won't work ...have a baton in the other hand 😅
I respectfully disagree with you. Striking the hand, wrist or forearm will quickly disable a knife attack. But, like you showed, if an unarmed perp closes the distance, then, a thrust with acceleration(force), in the configuration that you hold it, will be quite effective. IMO, it is not A or B. he answer is C, both A and B, depending on the relative distance and whether or not the perp has a blade or club already drawn.
I totally agree, how law enforcement and private security do not train enough. I teach security courses in Australia. In our courses we are to direct our methods of strikings to fleshy parts of the body. Basically no head shots or bone strikes. I have seen with my personal eyes and experiences that fleshy parts strikes doesn't always immobilise or stop the offender. In Australia you must be either a member of police or a licensed security officer.
In Taiwan, expandable batons and daggers are both illegal, but you can still own and carry them as long as you don't take it out in the public on normal occasions (It's not illegal if you don't get caught lol). Also regarding the baton you use in the video it's probably made by a company named "EST", it's a Taiwan based brand making expandable batons and other equipments for LE personnel and is known for the bombproof quality of their batons.
Taiwan manufactures some of the best gear in the world. Not like the cheap knockoff fakes made in communist china !
The same with Vietnam, and I’m about to have one delivered to me tomorrow
I found this video extremely informative. Thank you for the lesson.
Thank you!
I like how you can give your opinion without having to run down other MA instructors. There are a lot of big egos in the MA world and self-defense world and it is nice to see someone say hey, I am not necessarily right, but take a look and decide for yourself.
As someone who used this tool for 15 years, I can say that although I have never hit anyone with it, I can only imagine its damaging potential. The pounds per square inch delivered by a 6'2, 280 pound male like myself would be absolutely devastating. My partners cant even hold the bag when I hit it. The force generated is intense..... Couldnt see anyone taking a hit from it, its literally shattering whatever it hits..
Moreover, the return strike is simply a clearing strike, it is not designed to damage your assailant, its just a "Reload". Even the cross check is devastating and designed to knock the air out of your opponent. In a trained hand, I am certain it will be effective. However, I am not a fan of OC spray.
Great info. Thanks!
Maine = yes
Also, no one markets them as tire thumpers anymore. They're hiking sticks now.
Oh that’s funnier. Thanks!
Community Service Officer in Sweden here. I carry an expandable baton on my duty belt, but I also carry the old-school Swedish police baton made of reinforced rubber with a massive steel core. That baby packs a serious punch they say; I have never had to hit anyone with it, because every time I have had to draw the baton on someone, they have always become very compliant when they see that thing.
Any idea of who manufactured your old school baton?
Hey Matt. One last comment/quote. “One can lead a horse to water, but can't make them drink”. And, self defense is a choice, not a requirement or law in any state.✌️
Arizona 100% legal to carry, conceal and use as a self defense tool for civilian use.
This is a great self defense weapon against the average attacking person or animals! It was rare in my 32 LEO career I encountered a person high on pcp or related drugs in 2023 every self defense tool is necessary
Finally someone who is looking at this from a ordinary person's perspective... we don't have guns and few other tools to defend us with ... and I bet my life this expendable baton is a 300% more efficient against knife then bare hands ...and I guess adrenaline won't keep that knife in your hand if u struck the hand with steel ... so even if his idea of drugs or high adrenaline works ...this thing hits much harder then fist ... in context of ordinary person ..this thing gives u really good chance to survive a knife attack .. or a dog as u mentioned . So this video's perspective is flawed from the start .90% of all civilians are not trained ...and even those who took self defense classes ..I bet they would loose against knife fight 9 times out of 10 . With baton ...our chances are much much higher to survive such attack.
I have a 5 cell D cell MagLite and it has saved me more then once when I was a Deputy Constable.
The police that ride bicycles use the metal expandable baton. But officers who do car patrols carry the 26" wood baton.
Police are not taught to swing at the head. But if you raise your arm to swing, high , it looks bad on camera.
The order of use of force is: verbal control, physical force, pepper spray, carotid restraint, baton, and deadly force depending on your department policies.
So using the baton must be justified. That's why the police choose not to use it.
Right! With all this info, we can deduce that if you're in a situation where you can use a baton without legal ramifications, you'd also be able to use a firearm or any other weapon because your life would have to be in immediate danger. I worry about people getting killed by preparing with one of these. I myself have a wooden hickory tire knocker for a "baton" situation. I feel it has a lot more authority, and as you say, the police still carry them; they only took the expandable batons on for less lethality since the wooden ones are more likely to break bone and crack skulls.
I feel the expandable batons are redundant and pointless. They are for security guards and cops who need to control a suspect during a resistant arrest. They're used for pain compliance, not saving your life in self-defense. Speaking from experience as a security guard, for what it's worth, as they trained me in batons hence where a lot of this theory comes from. They taught us to avoid the head and joints, like you said the police do, and go for muscle groups ie. the thighs, biceps, etc. in order to control someone trying to resist.
Johnny Utah, It's interesting what you're saying about looking bad on camera. I had a talk with Israeli border guard( which is type of police, that often are used as riot control on border areas), and he said that originally they were swinging their batons high, but at some point pro palestianian photographers caught some border guard on camera at what appears "swings" at rioter head. In reality the border guard were using his baton to scratch his back, funny, but with all the riot gear there were wearing and standing at sun, which cause a lot of discomfort and sweat quickly starts to run across the body, including the back. I figured it's worth sharing that story because it describes the same thing in different countries(how looking bad on camera can be interpreted in the wrong way). In Israel, collapsable baton is also illegal by the way.
This concludes the BS portion of our program !
Jabs with a friction baton that can collapse are ridiculous. Keep your distance and use repeated power strikes to make the assailant keep his distance. To control a person, hit only "green areas". If you are under attack, strike whatever you can reach if need be. If the assailant has a knife, try to hit the knife hand or arm if reachable. Fight as if you were boxing, employing your empty hand when necessary. Get a baton of high quality or risk having your cheap one fall to pieces ( literally). Get one with a power safety tip. Strike with the tip, not the small section. Strike full force. Forget about the silly two-hand blocks and pokes taught in training. If you can't deploy the baton, strike with the closed baton.
Consider an Auto-Lock model so it won't collapse.
Note : In untrained hands, a baton is legally considered a deadly weapon.
Well with the auto lock, you have to jab. All that green area stuff will get you hurt
Doh! Never thought of thrusting motion ✅
It’s often overlooked! Thanks!
Definately not trash !!!
Ironically, they are legal in New York, however you can't carry them openly.
Nothing is legal for self defence in Australia. Expandable batons are not legal. Some places even forbid kubotan that's blunt.
Matt, can you demonstrate techniques using a yawara stick in the future? I think the technique of the metal baton when collapsed would be the same. (You showed us some today.)
All these weapons would be illegal to use. ( If it's life or death, you will have to use it anyway.)
Yes! Will do!
I would like to see you demonstrate using a Alpine multifunctional telescopic stick.. That's the one I have, it's kinda heavy and kind of long.
I would love to do that. Where did you get yours?
I commend you for making this video. This is very educational and will save a lot of people a lot of trouble
Thank you!
It was called a night stick. It should be a defense tool. If it can save you from a fist to your face… your choice😊 very effective in preserving you.
It’s a good stick!
Matt I practice a style that I had to teach myself out of a book . I bought the book in 82’ from the widow of a us navy seal . I bought 8 martial arts books from over a period of two months , as we were working on the same boat.
The book is long but weak on the principle technique. It’s written by an LAPD officer and Takayuki Kubota of Kubotan fame . It was developed by him for the LAPD. It fell into disuse , I’m not sure when , because I can’t find any info on that . The main complaints about it were that it was too lethal , and too complicated it seems . Good martial arts footwork is necessary, but isn’t that the case with any weapon ? And what baton/ nightstick made from hard wood isn’t lethal ?
It’s a very Japanese take on the nightstick , and is designed to swing a heavy stick so you don’t do soft tissue damage to yourself. The book is by Paul F Macaul and Takayuki Kubota , and is still being sold
I’ve seen the book. Good stuff. The authorities seem to take away all the tools from police and only leave them with the most lethal option. Seems wrong headed to me.
Thanks for the info!,will definitely train your techniques.
Legal to carry in Virginia! Police cannot be around everywhere you go to protect you, protect yourself at all times
Excellent tactics for those of us veterans who have been trained with bayonet tactics. Mostly, parry, parry, thrust. Works with any baton like device, flashlight, cane, whatever. I really like having the ability to parry blows with a device rather than my forearms.
Amen! Thank you!
Good video Matt , your right 👍
Thank you Nigel!
Very true...stopping power of a weapon is really a thing to consider in actual fight scenario.😊👍
But this expendable baton is still much more effective then bare hands .. if broken knee won't stop the attacker to at least hit you ( adrenaline won't hold anyone for long) then bare hands of let's say 5'6 150pound average male won't stop the attacker at all . Not to mention what are the chances for ordinary person against knife ... almost zero ... which gives u range against knife .. bare hands wont .
Legal in Texas. Taught in the Corps and I have used them and for me they have worked. Bounced in many bars and used against drunk and high people. They pull knives grab bottles or come at you in a group. Struck hands, elbows, knees with the tip. Shove with it like a hockey stick and if they get in close punch with it in your hand. That close you throw elbows anyway. You still have your knees and feet also. People get fixated on what they are holding in their hand. Raise it for a swing and when they throw their hands up kick them in the knee and when they drop those hands drop the baton on the collar bone.
Excellent points and advise! Semper Fidelis!
@@pasquinilli wow thanks for replying! You are the first TH-camr that has ever responded back to me. I was already subscribed and enjoyed the cane and walking stick videos. Nunchuks and escrima videos. I have studied many martial Arts but there are none for Filipino martial arts in my area.
@@pasquinilli always faithful.
Мэт, привет из России. Я хожу лесом на дачу каждый день (10 км), беру с собой ирландскую трость. Она помогает отогнать бродячих агрессивных собак или бродяг (людей). Обычно применяю технику ирландского боя тростью (перемещения, удары тростью характерные для бокса: хуг, апперкот, джэб). У нас агрессивных еще много, бегают без поводка. Мэт, благодарю за учебу.
Hey Matt. Keith here. A few days ago, I ask if expandable/tactical batons are legal in Georgia. You replied promptly and I really appreciate that!! I called the police department in my city (Acworth) and asked that question, to a police officer. The officer told me, without checking, that, YES, they are legal to carry and use in a self defense situation. Thank you for allowing me to contact you with the question! Again, for anyone wondering if batons are legal in Georgia, the answer is (Yes they are)!! Thanks again for replying and for your very helpful video/channel. 5 stars. Stay safe!✌️
That’s awesome. Thanks for circling back and sharing. Stay safe!
Hey Matt! I respect your dedication to law enforcement and also sharing your knowledge of same. Many people take their safety and loved ones / self preservation for granted. That's okay with me and life is about choices. But, not being prepared, especially in the dark hours, for a possible assult is “NOT” a valid excuse for being injured and/or losing ones life. Just my opinion.🤷♂️☮️✌️
It's not a trash ...I rather have it than nothing at all ;) 😉 ..it can neutralize a person who wants to hurt you if you know how to use it right and not to kill ...
Good point!
Matt, so are you trying to say that Kali strikes don't work either??? Or, do you just mean that most expandable batons available to the public are pieces of crap? If the strikes are done properly, to the correct part of the anatomy, they do work.
No. I agree that Kali strikes are good and useful. I see most video experts that say the expandable baton is useless only focus on the Kali strikes. I feel like thrusts and two handed strikes are most effective at stopping the threat when Kali style strikes don’t work against someone who isn’t feeling them for some reason.
That sounds like you're saying there's nothing wrong with the weapon itself (other than legality and quality issues), just that it's usually used amateurishly. I'd still prefer a solid cane right in my hand already, though.
@@stevenscott2136 For whatever it's worth, I also prefer a heavy, dense wooden baston, but only because I've trained in Kali and am more comfortable with the wood. The balance is a little different with the expandable baton. However, the police-issue quality expandable batons hit like a solid piece of steel. Would you rather get hit with a solid piece of wood, or a solid piece of steel? There definitely is a difference.
The original "patrol" club, at least for the U.S. Army was designed, we were taught, to break before cracking a human skull. I still have the one I carried. One thing you had to watch as an MP leader was young MP's drilling a hole down the length and pouring in lead. If not, they were notorious for carrying 8 D Cell flashlights. Keep in mind we were "policing" military equipment, they did not want us to permanently damage assets (troops). The Army training (with the old club) revolved around carries & strikes at the joints (where they hinge). We all would have liked the PR-24, but the Army (at the time) would not authorize it because it potentially has 2 offensives strikes. I have an "ASP" as a less than lethal option it's legal with a CCW in PA. Just a quick note the "riot baton" was much longer and not designed to break when doing "the Stomp and Drag." (Another MP mission (and National Guard)).
I saw three policemen trying to subdue a PCP crazed, 280 lbs., 6'2" tall, bearded weirdo with their collapsible batons. I was a college kid who delivered newspapers from 3:00 AM to 6:00 AM. The fight took place on Piedmont Ave at around 3:30 AM. Mr. PCP was juiced and moved like he was under the control of mind altering, pain numbing, strength enhancing drugs. I watched for about 10 minutes & then left. The officers beat this guy like the LAPD beat Rodney King, but it had zero effect. PCP-Man threw them around like rag dolls. PCP-Man seemed to feel no pain and he had superhuman strength. PCP-Man was right out of a Marvel Comic Book.
Three police officers were losing their battle with the PCP-Hulk. I couldn't help, but I admired them for not shooting the guy. For me, that night taught me why officers who want to go home after their shift use their guns. Moreover, I also thought that a 9mm wouldn't have dropped the Hulk. It would have taken a .45 cal. with a combat load to do that. I guess that's why policemen empty their weapons into a suspect who is resisting arrest, right? The desire to go home to their families after work is why some police shot some arrest resisters into Swiss Cheese.
During my walks I carry an expandable baton, knife, stun gun, bear spray, and a TASER.
Too many dogs around where I walk, and I suppose good against psycho humans as well.
That’s a well stocked arsenal. Be safe!
I’m armed security and I carry a baton. Very good information, thanks! I recently got myself a taser so I can’t see myself pulling the baton. I’m in Tennessee and it’s legal with certification in my state, but I agree…not the most effective tool on my duty belt.
Thanks for sharing your perspective!
I'm unarmed Security I carry "Sabre" pepper spray. Thinking about getting this baton.
Taser brand though isn't always effective I have seen them fail. A baton or pepper spray are better less lethal in my opinion. I can carry a taser but for the price etc not worth it in my opinion
You can carry one in North Carolina but you can't carry it concealed unless you are on your own property.
I believe what you have there is a 27in which I believe is the legal limit for one of these unless you're in law enforcement and you can get a 3-foot one or even longer I bought mine at the Army Surplus / camping store here in Portland
Expandable batons are legal in Colorado. I believe it's a great weapon instead of carrying a gun around town.
I think everyone should have gun at all times
Not everyone can carry a gun. Can’t carry one everywhere. Good to have other options. Thanks!
Is this baton legal in Georgia?
I don’t know but I doubt it.
Another great video! Nothing beats the old school baton.
Maglites are not great for fighting. I was a tactic trainer for my department🇨🇦. The biggest issue with the steel baton was poor body mechanics and no time on target. You must hit and stick to let the weight move flesh to cause impact trauma. The collapsible baton was made as a transition weapon between spray and gun. They will collapse if a hard object makes contact with the middle section.
Excellent advice Johnny. Thanks and Merry Christmas!!
The crowd control bayonet beats it.
I never thought of using the extendable baton the way police would use their riot sticks! It makes a lot of sense!
"Turn off his operating system." Yes that's ideal! Very informative video - thank you!
Awesome tactics! I totally agree with you!
Unfortunately they are illegal in California. Even tho our criminals are being let out of the prisons. 😬🙄
Not anymore.
Nothing is legal anymore
That does seem to be true
In Germany only Law Enforcement Officers may have this, but they may have this just only if they have become it from the department which they are working for and only while they`re doing their job time.
Me, not as effective as a straight stick, collapses when thrust, and yes illegal in NY
Mine is made by S&W and I bought it from a police supply. This requires the best not a cheap thing from a knife store.
I think hitting the knees, the skull or other nerve bundles should stop an attacker. Im not an expert but i think that a street fight won't last that long for me to hold it with both hands. Great video tho
Thank you. Anything is better than nothing. Go with your gut!
What is the ideal length to get...anywhere from 16" to 36"....?
Longer is better. At least 28”
Excellent video, thank you 👍
Great discussion. :-)
I think everything said is valid but the purpose of a baton is to create distance. Using it the way it's being demonstrated is doing the opposite of that. The swings shown are also overswung.
You would also aim for the head....
Sure the jabbing and poking techniques are valid self-defense. The expandable/collapsible baton is still taught with quick side and back hand striking motions, targeting the arms and legs and almost always avoiding the head. There's still just too much activist opposition to using any baton as lethal self-defense for law enforcement. The activists consider it police brutality. That's not to say there have been bad police officers who killed suspects with their batons when they shouldn't have. But the baton offers a non-deadly defense response when properly and legally applied.
For security guards and security officers, typically the training program omits any head strikes whatsoever, even if the attacker is armed with a hand weapon. The police can get away with lethal head strikes but it gets dicey for security people. And this is even so when just about every state allows law-abiding citizens to apply deadly force when faced with immediate deadly force (that is, armed) attacks from an assailant.
We all know the legal mess that can follow if using a baton to kill a dangerous, armed attacker or assailant. The activists scream police brutality. It goes to the courts where the judge and jury have to sort through the mess to determine if it was justified or not. And there are always slick lawyers available on every side.
This trainer alluded to Filipino Escrima/Arnis stick strike techniques. The baton would probably be very effective using the rapid, quick, short striking techniques of Filipino stick fighting and Korean short-stick (12") Dan Bong fighting techniques.
I’ve got a couple of them. I’m in a wheelchair and it’s a more non-lethal option before a knife or gun. I think it is legal for self defense but I need to check again. I know brass knuckles are now legal here in Montana.
Matt love your videos. Very informative 👏
Thanks Jose!!
Your welcome and thank you 👍
Matt; I am considering getting a PR-24 Baton with the side handle grip I am in NYS and I want to be sure it is legal for self defense in NYS for me to own & carry one.
Sorry. Weed is legal. Criminal aliens beating cops is legal. Protecting yourself with the pr24 is not legal if you are a law abiding citizen. Maybe if you were a criminal alien from Venezuela or San Salvador, maybe…
Hi man I need help with my baton… when I flick out with force the rod between the end of the baton and the grip of the baton comes loose when hit with little force it goes in by itself…. (Grip side)
As someone who understands mma and distance management I don’t see the risk reward benefit of jabbing with the baton. If you miss you’re in the clinch and there’s so many things to grab onto with clothes, jackets, especially gear you’re wearing. Think about it. It’s so natural for humans to instinctively grab onto things when closing the distance and taking a shot. I recommend using this weapon at a longer range. Once someone grabs onto it it’s useless you’re likely in a tangle, tripping over each others feet and going to the ground. And you’ve no power behind your swing laying on your back. I’d keep the distance at about two arms length as the sweet spot. And only over hand swings but make them count and fast blows to avoid the suspect grabbing onto it. In Muay Thai fighters will close the distance and when taking too damage clinch the other to stop the attacks from firing. This can be an issue especially with a baton unless you keep at a distance with longer range attacks.
It Is Good And Awesome To Carry A Extended Baton For Self Defense.
How to know the difference good baton and trash baton ?
Look for name brand like Manodnock or ASP or Smith and Wesson. If it comes from China, it’s trash.
Came by this 3 year's too late. But these are illegal in the uk . Sadly. As we are going through an upsurge in street crime . As an uk citizen we can't have any form of weapons to protect ourselves. .The laws of self defence are against the victims not the criminal
That must be maddening! A sturdy umbrella can be useful. Voting the bums out and taking back your freedom is the only solution. Stay safe!
As someone that has used a baton.
I really dont like batons and i like the old solid one the best. Poke strik.
But really you need to aim at specific point on body.
Some one crazy or high you might have to brake bones to do anything. Or a head / neck strike which is deadly force anyway.
The only thing i can think of that i would rather have a baton instead of oc would be to block a knife.
A baton vs knife is really the only good use i can think of off hand.
And i would rather have oc and a gun for dealing with a knife.
A baton is illegal in Nevada but my brass flute is legal. Lol
Hey Matt could you perhaps do a tutorial or a review on this particular product in the future it is called the Tactical walking stick and it looks pretty awesome to me but I'm wondering if you could provide a breakdown regarding the Tactical walking stick. It usually comes in a carrying case with up to eight steel threaded tubes with different attachments available and the thing looks awesome. I believe the company that manufactures the Tactical walking stick is called the prime Adventure
Yes! Will do!
@@pasquinilli yes indeed that would be awesome thank you very much sir! I am in the process of ordering one of these tactical walking sticks because they just look awesome with so many survival capabilities and it is definitely probably one of the best self-defense tools! Don't get me wrong I still appreciate a good old wooden smack upside the head walking stick but this thing could be used as a spear and you could use it as double sticks or the bo staff itself. On a closing note I found your channel a few months back and being someone who has been involved with mixed martial arts for the last decade you have inspired me to see the value in traditional Arts again especially self-defense weaponry! Thank you again
I looked at their web site and was a little concerned. It is the same product as one for a fraction of the price that you can buy on Amazon. I’ve seen this type of thing before. It’s Chinese drop ship garbage that has cool features but is flimsy or poorly made. The website says it is made in USA. I don’t believe it. There are a lot of grammatical errors on the site that tells me the site author is not a native English speaker. Most likely a Chinese drop shipper. A lot of them will just plain lie and say whatever they have learned that people want to hear. I’ll probably order one or look for a way to get my hands on one and get back to you. It’s a great concept but the exact same staff can be found on amazon for $30 or less. That’s a red flag and so is the wording on their website.
@@pasquinilli well damn that is disappointing LOL seriously Bud that sucks because my computer is crappy and I have a hard time searching the web for all this accurate information. With that being said I just saw a promotional video on TH-cam and Facebook for this product and I got excited. I trust you when you say it is a Chinese piece of dog crap product but at the same time I think everything on Amazon is pretty crappy too! Oh well let me know what you dig up within your research because the concept for such a product is awesome it really is!
Bro is explaining if the baton is trash or not like is a game
Thanks for that open minded statement
@@pasquinilli i appreciate it
I'm a little confused. Wouldn't this weapon be effective with close body swings in the same way you demonstrate with normal stick defence?
It is effective but not as effective as a traditional straight baton. Because of the weight the diameter of the stick he will. Also the way it closes is problematic
@@pasquinilli That makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up.
I'm an ASP instructor since 2002 through ASP international. Is it perfect?? No! Is it better than nothing?? Yeah, kinda... Professionally I've only ever used it to break windows.
Try a Wilmoth-Winchester or Bonowi model.
How can a baton be classified as a "deadly weapon" and simultaneously "trash" or ineffective?
Your continuous touting of using the butt end to strike ignores one basic fact: you have to be in really close to deliver a strike like that. What do you think your opponent is doing when you're in that close?
The "billy club" strike on the head and shoulders seems to be all even trained "professionals" know how to do. As you've stated: not very effective.
On the other hand, a quick "stick fighting" strike to the wrist/forearm or knee will disarm or disable an opponent very quickly - nobody fights very well after you take out a knee, regardless of how much adrenaline or drugs they have in their system. This technique was taught by some military schools in the 50's using a stick or even a rolled up magazine. If it was effective with either of these two "weapons," imagine how effective it is delivered with a steel rod.
As THE MARTIAL ARTS CHANNEL commented below: . . . if you have a baton in your hand with which you could strike that knife away, or break his knee cap, then you better use it as such."
Thank you for your comments. I would still rather thrust than do what the martial arts channel suggests.
In the uk these come under the same charge as a firearm,, I still rather carry one of these to defend myself against a machete rather than a knife
Not made for stabbing and close combat.
Especially against knife. If you grab it with both hands and go against a knife, you will get cut and stabbed right when you are shoving / stabbing.
Main benefit is slashing and helping to keep the distance but he is right in the sense that this slashing is wrong.
could I not use my self defense cane in this manner? I have a 42 inch cane ???
Can't carry a stick in California.
That’s a bummer!
In my country only missiles are banned, everything else is legal so yes I can have this stick 😊
In Tennessee there is no law against owning one but you have to take a class to carry it
That seems like a good idea. Training is always a good idea!
Makes me think 2 big kubatons could work just as well haha. One in each fist with the pointed sides facing outward (for self defense ofc). I’m a woman and I can’t carry a gun where I live. I carry gel mace and do kickboxing but I’m well aware that would not be enough if I was attacked.
It could be if you remember to focus on the principles of self defense and not the techniques. What can you remove or destroy? That’s the key question.
Very nice video, thanks for sharing. Im a former POW of the governments war against the rights of Americans. These rights, i will defend.