ACC could've been a great conference but swofford killed it by centering around basketball and not being as savvy at the big 2 commishs...its really that simple..the big 2 commishs were way smarter than swofford...bottom line
Bith in negotiating skills and backroom dealings with the major networks...and fellas, let's face it every single commish has backroom dealings with other commishs and network heads
Sure they were smarter? They didn't get their kids rich...Swafford did It is really a question of what are you trying to accomplish. Now the ACC can deny it but the top brands are leaving and they need to hope ESPN renews in Feb or they are in big trouble.
Sad that some many ACC people don't realize how badly we wanted the ACC to work out ... There's a quote from USMC Gen Mad Dog Mattis ... "I come in peace I did not bring artillery but I am pleading with you with tears in my eyes If you fuck with me I will kill you all" That's how this all feels ... We liked the ACC but the ACC made it a us or them situation and they made it so bad that FSU would have lost more staying in the ACC than they would have in court leaving the ACC
I'm only 4 min in and all I heard was ESPN doesn't want FSU or Clemson to go to the BIG 10 nor wants the GOR in any part of discovery. Remember the SEC fronted the bill for Texas to leave don't know about OU. I'm an FSU fan and I don't know when FSU is leaving the ACC but I do know it won't be past 2027
Yup 😂😂😂 you can’t make this shit up. The truth is stranger than fiction. Plus ACC leadership doesn’t have the balls to go after the Big or the SEC. They literally keep shoving them into a locker, take their lunch and the leadership literally says thank you for not punching me 😂😂😂😂😂
Guys, it's no conspiracy, it's fact. ESPN holds all the cards in what happens to the ACC. ESPN has the right to cancel ACC contract if Clemson and FSU decide to leave the ACC prior to the end of June 2024, before the new teams are added to the ACC. If FSU court case in Leon county FL moves forward where ACC and ESPN contract are made public, ESPN will force ACC to let FSU and Clemson out, or cancel the media contract. No media contract, no grant of rights, ACC implodes. Face it, the ACC is toast, ESPN owns them! Your NCST and Miami better find a spot in another conference.
Maybe Locked on Big12 will give these guys a spot on that podcast. Kenton will fit right in with Drake. Both are delusional and not very knowledgeable. Their fandom clouds their judgement.
Florida State better stay exactly where they're at unless they go to the big 12 because they cannot compete in the Southeast conference or the Big ten they will get their asses handed to them every game just like Georgia handed them their ass
@@jdwilmoth LOL!!! Must be a poor Cane fan! It’ll be Big 10 unless ESPN wants them in the SEC. Canes will probably end up in the Big 12 or be left behind in ACC playing basketball.
@@walterabbott5347 no I'm not a Miami fan I didn't think they had any fans they can't even fill their stadium up giving out free tickets I'm an Oklahoma fan You know the team that Florida State barely beat even though Oklahoma was total garbage that season
People want to talk about Clemson's 9-4 record last year but nobody mentions how they reeled off 5 victories to end the season (Notre Dame, GT, UNC, South Carolina and Kentucky) One of Dabo's best coaching years IMO.
@@dp26385 I said what I said! Maybe I should have said coaching jobs. He turned it around after they were plagued with turnovers and were 4-4. Could have been much worse had his team given up.
Why did ESPN not push that the ACC was the best conference in 2016? Why did ESPN never push how good the ACC was? They always pushed the SEC. They didn't even push the ACC as the second best conference. What happens when ESPN does this? The kids hear the narrative and they prioritize the SEC because they are the "best" conference, thus becoming a self fulfilling prophecy. If ESPN promoted the ACC years ago, they could have been the first or second best conference.
These two guys are clueless!! They haven't been watching the FSU court cases and don't understand that ESPN is not happy with the ACC and the new teams being added.
They're Miami/NC State guys. If they did even the slightest bit of research, they'd have to acknowledge how irrelevant those schools are. Fighting and clawing for relevancy. NC State has been better than UNC in football recently, but the best they can hope for is that the UNC Board of Governors forces UNC to carry NCSU into the B1G or SEC with them at a reduced payout because neither of the big 2 wants them.
@@walterabbott5347 ACC is so happy with the ACC is has already set the ACC up to survive as the 4rd Power Conference. ACC added EXACTLY who ESPN wanted and will add MORE after a few ACC teams LEAVE. I knew 3 years ago that Stanford and SMU were both headed to the ACC soon. And here they are.
I'm not a lawyer, but if this supposed leak were true, I also would think there would be something highly illegal about that on the part of ESPN. That would have to run afoul of some antitrust law section. Sure sounds anti-competitive. Beyond the other ACC schools, the B1G would be an aggrieved party, if they were interested in either or both of those schools.
I would not doubt it. If you remember, the then Pitt AD advised the old Big East commish to turn down the deal that would have paid the Big East the same as the ACC. Pretty much right after, they and Cuse left for the ACC.
The guy putting this out on Twitter/X is C.W. Lambert. Christopher Lambert. Formerly "The Dude of WV." In case you're not familiar with "The Dude," he is the 12 year reigning undisputed heavyweight champion of conference realignment bullshit. He has a long history of claiming inside sources at multiple major universities, conferences, and media outlets. He makes reasonably plausible claims, but it's all speculation. If he knew anything, FSU and Clemson would have spent the last ten years in the Big XII.
I’m sure Clemson and FSU know exactly where they’re going, and have been given assurances. Nothing a FOIA would uncover either, because these are done through intermediaries, which doesn’t violate anything. I bet Clemson and FSU announce they’re leaving before June 30th, before the 3 new teams join, leaving the ACC short of the required 15 for the TV contract. That’s the nightmare scenario for the ACC.
There is nothing preventing ESPN from not renewing their deal with the ACC in 2025. So that’s the unspoken threat that hangs over all this. You can’t sue somebody for offering you a better deal than no deal at all. You guys need to keep those lawyer hats off.
The Composition Clause Blocks ESPN from not renewing. And the Pro Rata Clause makes sure the ACC can fulfill the Composition Clause The FACT that ESPN gave both of those Clauses to the ACC 9 years ago PROVES that ESPN wants to Renew with the ACC. ACC has ALREADY USED the Pro Rata Clause to fulfill the Composition Clause. It has ADDED 3 schools because it expects to LOSE 3 schools. When those schools LEAVE it will add MORE schools to Expand to 20... which has been the PLAN for 9 years. ESPN knew 9 years ago the SEC and B1G were going to EXPAND. It set the ACC up for SUCCESS after that Expansion. To not see ALL of this is FOOLISH.
If Miami beats FSU, then Clemson and makes a deep playoff run, wouldn't ESPN say good bye to mediocre x ACC teams and pay more with a stronger ACC with added new strong additions. ESPN might renegotiate with the stronger new ACC that are now the teams to beat.
Why would FSU take this deal? It's like Motown brokering a deal for Michael to leave the Jackson 5 except he still has to forfeit earnings and do a number of Jackson 5 tours. Michael can just settle through court which he just pays a large settlement and is free and clear to pursue a solo career with any label.
@@TheRealJackMcCoy The SEC is a second choice the goal for FSU is the B1G and I don't think they risk taking the ACC to court without talking to the B1G and FOX first same could be said for Clemson I think their deals already been shook on they just can't say anything out loud because that would be tampering and would get the other conferences in trouble ... You don't walk in the office and call the boss a bitch unless you have a better job lined up not when you're making millions a year
For all the SEC fans who say they do not want FSU or Clempson LOL. Do you think the SEC wants a more powerful conference in their backyard ? That will happen when FSU and Clemson join the BIG10.
@@elvangulley3210 They already are ... Don't confuse wins and power the B1G is very close to have a national brand they already have a better TV deal and what FSU and Clemson bring to the table is two programs that have won multiple football championships in the past 25 years and both have great teams outside of football
SEC cannot keep the B1G out of their backyard. AND SEC does not benefit by doubling down in States it already has over Expand into NEW States Take FSU... B1G will still get into Florida with Miami. Take Clemson... then Miss out on 1 more New State and Give that New State up to the BG. SEC needs IN to Kansas, North Carolina and Virginia with schools of the same name. Room for 1 of the 2 between FSU and Clemson. And no matter WHO the SEC takes the B1G can STILL GET IN to those states too. New States are worth MORE MONEY than having a 2nd team in a Current State. So you think the SEC should make LESS MONEY over making MORE MONEY. The number if teams Above and Below .500 stays the SAME in the Conference. Better to let Kansas, Virginia and North Carolina fill in the BOTTOM of the League than to destroy the Top for LESS $$$
Chris Lambert "the dude from West virginia" is a LOOOOOONG time realignment leaker. The fact that you guys have never even heard of him..... Does not reflect well on you guys even covering this subject. He's been doing this for decades. He's hit on things and missed on things. Now he is based out of West Virginia. The decisions in the Big 12 used to be made in Austin, so honestly he missed a fair bit in the years WVU and UT were both in the Big 12, but that makes sense. He still broke a TON of minor stories in that time. He probably has the kinds of connections with people at ESPN to give this. I think you maybe don't get what this is. Think in terms of plausible deniability. Years ago UT (Deloss Dodds) went into negotiations with the PAC 12 and then leaked it Chip Brown who broke the story. Dodds then used that to rip a better deal out of his conference mates. Using a more recent example, Big Ten power brokers are pushing info over to Greg Flugar to try to drive conference behavior. As you noticed a lot of it "makes sense in a way" for the business of the ACC, that is because it is highly unlikely anyone would manufacture this level of detail. I could totally see this being how ESPN might push their expectation out to the ACC in a deniable way. A threat if you think about it (as the ACC deal ends in 2027) pushed out to everyone who needs to hear it by calls like yours to your contacts. Just calling local reporters, commissioners, and AD's is not how you vet this. Most of those guys either get blindsided or have a vested interest in not telling you the truth. (You guys should follow "peak around the corner". Flugar has the best connections for this kind of story at this point.)
I find it hard to believe ESPN is not tampering in some way, they release stuff like this: th-cam.com/video/5DcoD4gKe3Y/w-d-xo.html Do you ever see ESPN podcast that promote an ACC slant or features a wishful ACC expansion scenario? The old saying of "there is what you know and what you can prove."
6 teams will have a landing spot in a Power Conference. The Big 3 Conferences are the Big 12, SEC, & the Big 10 . The ACC IS DEAD 💀 ESPN IS NOT GOING TO RENEW THEIR CONTRACT WITH THE ACC AFTER 2025-2026. Disney is Broke 😎
Theory is not completely absurd. Yes there are legal difficulties with the thread but one area you guys need to research is "the composition clause " that ties the media companies contracts between the ACC and ESPN,
In 50 years, the top 100 schools will be in either the North (former B1G Ten) or the South (former SEC). Those 2 will absorb everybody relevant and leave the rest for Div.2. We are halfway there already. Washington, USC, UCLA leaving pac for B1G next year...
Absolutely- FSU actually adds value to both conferences, hence why they’ll get a full cut right away. Others like Washington didn’t bc they are Washington.
Washington "didn't add value"? What a stupid comment. Perennial title contenders, one of the largest research universities in the nation, and endowments most schools dream of (guess you've never heard of Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos...) and they have an entire region with their rival (who mirrors UW in every respect).
Yeah, ESPN and Clemson/FSU may make a wink/nod deal, but it's not going to lead to either school taking 50% and it'll certainly lead to the ACC taking less or going to hell.
@@followthemoneyhoney exactly FSU draws 2 mil views when they play non powerhouses, 5 mil when they play Clemson, UF & Miami and over 9 mil when they play ND, Alabama, Michigan, etc while playing in the ACC. Just imagine them numbers when they are in either the Big or SEC.
@@garlandalmarode6396 No their not ... FSU will be apart of a bidding war with the SEC and B1G and their worth over 80M a year in a TV deal so they could go independent and make what the SEC or B1G programs are making you're delusional if you think FSU is desperate
People keep forgetting that those not trying/capable of moving to a P2 conference have votes here as well when coming up with these wild speculation. Just as unlikely is the idea of dissolving the conference. Schools outside looking in would file lawsuits agains the colluding institutions leading to this dissolution. This would not be school suing ACC, but the individual institutions and any other parties involved in the effort.
I think its true. The reason why your source laughed you off the phone. Because he cant confirm something thats goin on behind the scenes. This situation is just like tx an ou. Greg Sankey denied the rumors
I'm sure the Southeast conference will probably take North Carolina and Clemson but that's probably all they want out of that cream puff conference Florida State better go to the big 12 because they can't compete in any other conference
Problem with that is FSU and Clemson are the only two that add value to the SEC or B1G in terms of revenue and the BIG12 isn't gonna expand to some crazy number there will be a limit ... I think in total 4 to 6 programs leave
I mean ESPN gave them a bad deal from the jump ... But the ACC signed it and all ESPN has done since is hold the ACC to those agreed terms and had the ACC used any amount of common sense and sat down with everyone a deal could have been made that would have prevented the ACCs inevitable downfall and or collapse ... They should have sat down with ESPN and told them FSU and Clemson are gonna leave and a few others could follow let FSU and Clemson sign independent deals with ESPN where the ACC doesn't take any of their revenue but is still apart of the ACC and is held to a buyout you could even tell them they would be on the hook for paying for lost revenue is they left similar to the GOR ... ESPN would have gladly made deals paying FSU and Clemson 80 to 90 percent of what they bring in still making a profit and nobody else in the ACC can justify the cost of taking the ACC to court because their athletic departments don't generate enough interest or money to do so and with FSU and Clemson taken care of the ACC would never have enough votes to disband ... Why didn't any of this happen? ... A bunch of programs that don't generate 20M a year felt like they were intitled to 30M a year in a equal sharing system and now they have left their two most valuable assets in such a bad situation that they would be better off leaving at any cost than sticking around because they would lose more by staying in the ACC for the remainder of the ROG than they would paying the exit fees
Nobody has talked to anybody but I bet there were 3 rd party talk , ACC doesn’t want to lose there conference because if they dnt espn wont renew there deal and the ACC falls apart , SEC is going to make $90 million next year so half if that is $45 million and the ACC is only making $30 million
Jun 30th last day espn media rights deal applies to only the current 14 full acc members. Feb 1st 2025 last date espn can renew or non-renew acc's medua deal beyond 2026 season. These are the only dates acc menbers need to be concerned with. espn can eviscerate the acc by not renewing media contract. that is all the leverage they need folks.
There is a lot that isn't considered here in this analysis. One of the points that a judge advised me is that ESPN has gotten away with poaching schools when contracts are ending... There is NOTHING legally wrong with advising a school they would get paid more in another conference if they are "available". ... ESPN does not have the ACC under contract after 2027...they just have an option. Sooo.... that is something you may want to discuss with a lawyer --- my friend advises there are a TON of ways this could go. One of the first things he pointed out was that all of these schools are part of the same organization --- the NCAA --- which is a problem for making an anti-trust case. BUT... there are elements that could go either way.
Relax - this is an opening offer. ESPN and the ACC will renegotiate the TV contract, to keep FSU and Clemson, and to retain the current team configuration - the deal to be done by September 2024 = the fiscal year end for ESPN. The ACC/FSU/Clem have negotiating power since ESPN has to make a TV contract decision by June 2025, which is actually too late in the year for football. But, ESPN has negotiating power since no other conferences really want FSU or Clemson.
FSU is out of the ACC Bigten here we go BTW FSU is playing chess not checkers Bigten wants FSU,NC,Miami,UVa FSU will play in the Bigten conf in 2025 NC is holding out to go Bigten only if they could bring ncst but bigten does not want ncst so NC needs to jump in and stop being a puss it will be ok it will be FSU,NC,UVA,Miami and the one that got away ND is always welcome
It's really funny watching FSU and Clemson thinking that they're so valuable. They're not in the same league as Alabama, Michigan, Ohio State, or Georgia. They're on the same level as Tennessee, Auburn and Wisconsin, which is better than the rest of the ACC
Spot on guys! I agree completely. This theory is absurd and tailor-made for the TH-cam conference realignment grifters that hardly talk actual on-the-field college sports.
2027 Phase 1 of the ESPN Super League w/ unequal revenue sharing: - Florida State - Clemson - Miami - North Carolina - Virginia - Stanford - Cal - Notre Dame
Y'all have fun staying in the ACC... Maybe Miami or NC State can finally win a ACC championship in football once FSU Clemson and probably a few more leave the ACC...
@@wvgolfnut1 well the two teams carry the rest of the ACC monetarily and have to share the revenue they bring to the conference so FSU and Clemson are tired of it. Despise if you want but we are trying to compete with championship caliber and the ACC isn't going to be able to consistently do that in the near future so...
@@garlandalmarode6396 how many ACC championships does your team have since 1992... By my count FSU has 17 how many is your team have? Yes we had a few down years in the last 6 years... It's normal for a team to have some down years it's unnormal for FSU to have that many down years but that's what happens when one coach runs your team into the ground another one continually drags further in the dirt and now we have a coach that is taking us on a climb out of it. Everybody acts like FSU was down for 20 years nah try again
Judge bledsoe in NC ruled FSU and Clemson owe nothing to the acc. Also no one is bringing up that ESPN can opt out in 2027
I'm asking a question
Looking forward to having this over.
FSU going to Big 10 with full share… all the rest is just hearsay
$50M due
@@alanrobinson9021 BigTen will make that $50M back the first year when both land in the playoff.
ACC could've been a great conference but swofford killed it by centering around basketball and not being as savvy at the big 2 commishs...its really that simple..the big 2 commishs were way smarter than swofford...bottom line
Bith in negotiating skills and backroom dealings with the major networks...and fellas, let's face it every single commish has backroom dealings with other commishs and network heads
Agree 1000 percent
Sure they were smarter? They didn't get their kids rich...Swafford did
It is really a question of what are you trying to accomplish.
Now the ACC can deny it but the top brands are leaving and they need to hope ESPN renews in Feb or they are in big trouble.
Speaking for the Seminole Nation....we hate the SEC. We do Not want to be in the SEC. So you all know what we want.
Sad that some many ACC people don't realize how badly we wanted the ACC to work out ... There's a quote from USMC Gen Mad Dog Mattis ... "I come in peace I did not bring artillery but I am pleading with you with tears in my eyes If you fuck with me I will kill you all" That's how this all feels ... We liked the ACC but the ACC made it a us or them situation and they made it so bad that FSU would have lost more staying in the ACC than they would have in court leaving the ACC
Come on over to the B1G! Gooooo Bluuuuuueeeeee Baby!
...Then welcome to the B1G Ten! We'll take you.
I'm only 4 min in and all I heard was ESPN doesn't want FSU or Clemson to go to the BIG 10 nor wants the GOR in any part of discovery. Remember the SEC fronted the bill for Texas to leave don't know about OU. I'm an FSU fan and I don't know when FSU is leaving the ACC but I do know it won't be past 2027
This is RICH !!! The ACC has been caught doing shady dealings , and now they are complaining
Agree 1000 percent
Yup 😂😂😂 you can’t make this shit up. The truth is stranger than fiction. Plus ACC leadership doesn’t have the balls to go after the Big or the SEC. They literally keep shoving them into a locker, take their lunch and the leadership literally says thank you for not punching me 😂😂😂😂😂
If the ACC didn't have bad management they'd have no management at all! It's time for FSU to go B1G time! Sooner is better!
Guys, it's no conspiracy, it's fact. ESPN holds all the cards in what happens to the ACC. ESPN has the right to cancel ACC contract if Clemson and FSU decide to leave the ACC prior to the end of June 2024, before the new teams are added to the ACC. If FSU court case in Leon county FL moves forward where ACC and ESPN contract are made public, ESPN will force ACC to let FSU and Clemson out, or cancel the media contract. No media contract, no grant of rights, ACC implodes. Face it, the ACC is toast, ESPN owns them! Your NCST and Miami better find a spot in another conference.
Maybe Locked on Big12 will give these guys a spot on that podcast. Kenton will fit right in with Drake. Both are delusional and not very knowledgeable. Their fandom clouds their judgement.
Florida State better stay exactly where they're at unless they go to the big 12 because they cannot compete in the Southeast conference or the Big ten they will get their asses handed to them every game just like Georgia handed them their ass
@@jdwilmoth LOL!!! Must be a poor Cane fan! It’ll be Big 10 unless ESPN wants them in the SEC. Canes will probably end up in the Big 12 or be left behind in ACC playing basketball.
@@walterabbott5347 no I'm not a Miami fan I didn't think they had any fans they can't even fill their stadium up giving out free tickets I'm an Oklahoma fan
You know the team that Florida State barely beat even though Oklahoma was total garbage that season
Hey man you get minimum wage bump at dollar tree yet;;;;;;;;;
People want to talk about Clemson's 9-4 record last year but nobody mentions how they reeled off 5 victories to end the season (Notre Dame, GT, UNC, South Carolina and Kentucky) One of Dabo's best coaching years IMO.
Tied for 6-8th place in the ACC is not one of Dabo's greatest coaching years.
@@dp26385 I said what I said! Maybe I should have said coaching jobs. He turned it around after they were plagued with turnovers and were 4-4. Could have been much worse had his team given up.
@@vistatiger7493 , true 👍
Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, Alabama, Auburn, Both Mississippi schools would say no to FSU .Clemson might get voted in maybe
It will be espn's decision, not the school's....
You mean like Texas A&M saying no to Texas. How did that work out?
@@vistatiger7493 Texas A&M doesn't have the same power as a founding member. They was also lied too
@@JakeGavin2 presidents get a vote
Money talks...@@crabcakesandfootball4619
How long until 8 schools in the ACC wake up, disolve the conference and hope they get into the Big 12, Big 10 and SEC?
Im callin it now. The sec will get fsu, clemson, nc, va
Uh, FSU is going to the B1G. Neither FSU nor the SEC have any interest in each other. And ESPN is utterly repugnant to FSU.
If the Sec and Big tells FSU and Clem we ll give you 25% . What are the options for them. They don't have any.
Why did ESPN not push that the ACC was the best conference in 2016? Why did ESPN never push how good the ACC was? They always pushed the SEC. They didn't even push the ACC as the second best conference. What happens when ESPN does this? The kids hear the narrative and they prioritize the SEC because they are the "best" conference, thus becoming a self fulfilling prophecy. If ESPN promoted the ACC years ago, they could have been the first or second best conference.
E$PN has done its best to promote it's fave property at the expense of the integrity of college football
FSU and Clemson are going to get out because of the composition clause. Please do your research.
These two guys are clueless!! They haven't been watching the FSU court cases and don't understand that ESPN is not happy with the ACC and the new teams being added.
They're Miami/NC State guys. If they did even the slightest bit of research, they'd have to acknowledge how irrelevant those schools are. Fighting and clawing for relevancy. NC State has been better than UNC in football recently, but the best they can hope for is that the UNC Board of Governors forces UNC to carry NCSU into the B1G or SEC with them at a reduced payout because neither of the big 2 wants them.
How is the Composition Clause relevant? That sounds like BS.
@@walterabbott5347 ACC is so happy with the ACC is has already set the ACC up to survive as the 4rd Power Conference.
ACC added EXACTLY who ESPN wanted and will add MORE after a few ACC teams LEAVE.
I knew 3 years ago that Stanford and SMU were both headed to the ACC soon. And here they are.
FSU and Clemson, maybe Miami and UNC, were the only schools that provide value.
I'm not a lawyer, but if this supposed leak were true, I also would think there would be something highly illegal about that on the part of ESPN. That would have to run afoul of some antitrust law section. Sure sounds anti-competitive.
Beyond the other ACC schools, the B1G would be an aggrieved party, if they were interested in either or both of those schools.
I would not doubt it. If you remember, the then Pitt AD advised the old Big East commish to turn down the deal that would have paid the Big East the same as the ACC. Pretty much right after, they and Cuse left for the ACC.
The ESPN College Football League. The insanity has finally trickled down to ruin what was the greatest sport in America.
Deboer is 104/12. That's great coachng any way you cut it.
Ask Mario about Whittingham. 38 to 10. 38 to 13. Twce in one season.
The delusion and arrogance on the FSU channels is pitiful. They already think they are part of the B10.
When you win, your confidence reflects reality, Georgia Tech fan. I'd say enjoy being a G5 team going forward, but you basically have been for years.
The guy putting this out on Twitter/X is C.W. Lambert. Christopher Lambert. Formerly "The Dude of WV." In case you're not familiar with "The Dude," he is the 12 year reigning undisputed heavyweight champion of conference realignment bullshit. He has a long history of claiming inside sources at multiple major universities, conferences, and media outlets. He makes reasonably plausible claims, but it's all speculation. If he knew anything, FSU and Clemson would have spent the last ten years in the Big XII.
FSU to ESPN/ACC....."Nope". NOT a win for FSU. They are doing it for $$$, not taking 50%
Like everything ESPN does, the list is bogus.
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Acc academic arrogance killed them
Sounds like a repeat of PAC.
Sure did!
I’m sure Clemson and FSU know exactly where they’re going, and have been given assurances. Nothing a FOIA would uncover either, because these are done through intermediaries, which doesn’t violate anything. I bet Clemson and FSU announce they’re leaving before June 30th, before the 3 new teams join, leaving the ACC short of the required 15 for the TV contract. That’s the nightmare scenario for the ACC.
Hello from July 8th LMAO
There is nothing preventing ESPN from not renewing their deal with the ACC in 2025. So that’s the unspoken threat that hangs over all this. You can’t sue somebody for offering you a better deal than no deal at all. You guys need to keep those lawyer hats off.
The Composition Clause Blocks ESPN from not renewing. And the Pro Rata Clause makes sure the ACC can fulfill the Composition Clause
The FACT that ESPN gave both of those Clauses to the ACC 9 years ago PROVES that ESPN wants to Renew with the ACC.
ACC has ALREADY USED the Pro Rata Clause to fulfill the Composition Clause.
It has ADDED 3 schools because it expects to LOSE 3 schools.
When those schools LEAVE it will add MORE schools to Expand to 20... which has been the PLAN for 9 years.
ESPN knew 9 years ago the SEC and B1G were going to EXPAND. It set the ACC up for SUCCESS after that Expansion.
To not see ALL of this is FOOLISH.
If Miami beats FSU, then Clemson and makes a deep playoff run, wouldn't ESPN say good bye to mediocre x ACC teams and pay more with a stronger ACC with added new strong additions. ESPN might renegotiate with the stronger new ACC that are now the teams to beat.
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The 50% is short term
Every team that leaves will forever be hated.
so?
I dunno man... we're talking about football and value... not really Miami and NC States strong points..
Doesn’t make sense for FSU.
Why would FSU take this deal? It's like Motown brokering a deal for Michael to leave the Jackson 5 except he still has to forfeit earnings and do a number of Jackson 5 tours. Michael can just settle through court which he just pays a large settlement and is free and clear to pursue a solo career with any label.
@@heartbreak25 agreed. I just can’t see where it makes sense for either school but especially fsu. Not sure they want to be in the sec.
@@TheRealJackMcCoy The SEC is a second choice the goal for FSU is the B1G and I don't think they risk taking the ACC to court without talking to the B1G and FOX first same could be said for Clemson I think their deals already been shook on they just can't say anything out loud because that would be tampering and would get the other conferences in trouble ... You don't walk in the office and call the boss a bitch unless you have a better job lined up not when you're making millions a year
For all the SEC fans who say they do not want FSU or Clempson LOL. Do you think the SEC wants a more powerful conference in their backyard ? That will happen when FSU and Clemson join the BIG10.
Even with fsu and clemson the big still won't be more powerful
@@elvangulley3210🧢
@@elvangulley3210 They already are ... Don't confuse wins and power the B1G is very close to have a national brand they already have a better TV deal and what FSU and Clemson bring to the table is two programs that have won multiple football championships in the past 25 years and both have great teams outside of football
SEC cannot keep the B1G out of their backyard. AND SEC does not benefit by doubling down in States it already has over Expand into NEW States
Take FSU... B1G will still get into Florida with Miami. Take Clemson... then Miss out on 1 more New State and Give that New State up to the BG.
SEC needs IN to Kansas, North Carolina and Virginia with schools of the same name. Room for 1 of the 2 between FSU and Clemson.
And no matter WHO the SEC takes the B1G can STILL GET IN to those states too.
New States are worth MORE MONEY than having a 2nd team in a Current State.
So you think the SEC should make LESS MONEY over making MORE MONEY.
The number if teams Above and Below .500 stays the SAME in the Conference.
Better to let Kansas, Virginia and North Carolina fill in the BOTTOM of the League than to destroy the Top for LESS $$$
Chris Lambert "the dude from West virginia" is a LOOOOOONG time realignment leaker. The fact that you guys have never even heard of him..... Does not reflect well on you guys even covering this subject. He's been doing this for decades. He's hit on things and missed on things. Now he is based out of West Virginia. The decisions in the Big 12 used to be made in Austin, so honestly he missed a fair bit in the years WVU and UT were both in the Big 12, but that makes sense. He still broke a TON of minor stories in that time. He probably has the kinds of connections with people at ESPN to give this. I think you maybe don't get what this is. Think in terms of plausible deniability. Years ago UT (Deloss Dodds) went into negotiations with the PAC 12 and then leaked it Chip Brown who broke the story. Dodds then used that to rip a better deal out of his conference mates. Using a more recent example, Big Ten power brokers are pushing info over to Greg Flugar to try to drive conference behavior. As you noticed a lot of it "makes sense in a way" for the business of the ACC, that is because it is highly unlikely anyone would manufacture this level of detail. I could totally see this being how ESPN might push their expectation out to the ACC in a deniable way. A threat if you think about it (as the ACC deal ends in 2027) pushed out to everyone who needs to hear it by calls like yours to your contacts. Just calling local reporters, commissioners, and AD's is not how you vet this. Most of those guys either get blindsided or have a vested interest in not telling you the truth. (You guys should follow "peak around the corner". Flugar has the best connections for this kind of story at this point.)
The ACC would take that deal.
Most absurd theory I’ve ever heard
I find it hard to believe ESPN is not tampering in some way, they release stuff like this: th-cam.com/video/5DcoD4gKe3Y/w-d-xo.html
Do you ever see ESPN podcast that promote an ACC slant or features a wishful ACC expansion scenario? The old saying of "there is what you know and what you can prove."
ESPN is already dead...they know it
LMAO Nope ESPN is CASH RICH right now and going forward
6 teams will have a landing spot in a Power Conference. The Big 3 Conferences are the Big 12, SEC, & the Big 10 . The ACC IS DEAD 💀 ESPN IS NOT GOING TO RENEW THEIR CONTRACT WITH THE ACC AFTER 2025-2026. Disney is Broke 😎
ESPN sucks need get hands off college sports!
Theory is not completely absurd. Yes there are legal difficulties with the thread but one area you guys need to research is "the composition clause " that ties the media companies contracts between the ACC and ESPN,
In 50 years, the top 100 schools will be in either the North (former B1G Ten) or the South (former SEC). Those 2 will absorb everybody relevant and leave the rest for Div.2. We are halfway there already. Washington, USC, UCLA leaving pac for B1G next year...
He did make a good point in no way shape or form will FSU take 50% cut. FSU will get 100% year one.
Absolutely- FSU actually adds value to both conferences, hence why they’ll get a full cut right away. Others like Washington didn’t bc they are Washington.
Washington "didn't add value"? What a stupid comment. Perennial title contenders, one of the largest research universities in the nation, and endowments most schools dream of (guess you've never heard of Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos...) and they have an entire region with their rival (who mirrors UW in every respect).
Yeah, ESPN and Clemson/FSU may make a wink/nod deal, but it's not going to lead to either school taking 50% and it'll certainly lead to the ACC taking less or going to hell.
FSU will pay its own way in tv revenue from day one so it doesn't take anything from the other schools to grant them full participation
@@followthemoneyhoney exactly FSU draws 2 mil views when they play non powerhouses, 5 mil when they play Clemson, UF & Miami and over 9 mil when they play ND, Alabama, Michigan, etc while playing in the ACC. Just imagine them numbers when they are in either the Big or SEC.
Where are you guys getting this Only receiving 50% if they go to the SEC or Big Ten?
You got a guy in a Miami shirt talking about FSU ... That's a salty Miami perspetive
Because FSU is desperate and the conferences hold all the cards.
@@garlandalmarode6396 No their not ... FSU will be apart of a bidding war with the SEC and B1G and their worth over 80M a year in a TV deal so they could go independent and make what the SEC or B1G programs are making you're delusional if you think FSU is desperate
People keep forgetting that those not trying/capable of moving to a P2 conference have votes here as well when coming up with these wild speculation. Just as unlikely is the idea of dissolving the conference. Schools outside looking in would file lawsuits agains the colluding institutions leading to this dissolution. This would not be school suing ACC, but the individual institutions and any other parties involved in the effort.
I think its true. The reason why your source laughed you off the phone. Because he cant confirm something thats goin on behind the scenes. This situation is just like tx an ou. Greg Sankey denied the rumors
I'm sure the Southeast conference will probably take North Carolina and Clemson but that's probably all they want out of that cream puff conference Florida State better go to the big 12 because they can't compete in any other conference
Once fsu & Clemson leave there will be a mass exodus of the Acc
Problem with that is FSU and Clemson are the only two that add value to the SEC or B1G in terms of revenue and the BIG12 isn't gonna expand to some crazy number there will be a limit ... I think in total 4 to 6 programs leave
The Big and Sec would both prefer UNC over FSU or Clem.
@@garlandalmarode6396 Money talks ... FSU and Clemson both bring in way more money than UNC their not even on the same level
Don't worry ACC , y'all can still win a fake Emmy award from College Game Day. Like Kirk the jerk and Lee Corso.
I mean ESPN gave them a bad deal from the jump ... But the ACC signed it and all ESPN has done since is hold the ACC to those agreed terms and had the ACC used any amount of common sense and sat down with everyone a deal could have been made that would have prevented the ACCs inevitable downfall and or collapse ... They should have sat down with ESPN and told them FSU and Clemson are gonna leave and a few others could follow let FSU and Clemson sign independent deals with ESPN where the ACC doesn't take any of their revenue but is still apart of the ACC and is held to a buyout you could even tell them they would be on the hook for paying for lost revenue is they left similar to the GOR ... ESPN would have gladly made deals paying FSU and Clemson 80 to 90 percent of what they bring in still making a profit and nobody else in the ACC can justify the cost of taking the ACC to court because their athletic departments don't generate enough interest or money to do so and with FSU and Clemson taken care of the ACC would never have enough votes to disband ... Why didn't any of this happen? ... A bunch of programs that don't generate 20M a year felt like they were intitled to 30M a year in a equal sharing system and now they have left their two most valuable assets in such a bad situation that they would be better off leaving at any cost than sticking around because they would lose more by staying in the ACC for the remainder of the ROG than they would paying the exit fees
Nobody has talked to anybody but I bet there were 3 rd party talk , ACC doesn’t want to lose there conference because if they dnt espn wont renew there deal and the ACC falls apart , SEC is going to make $90 million next year so half if that is $45 million and the ACC is only making $30 million
Jun 30th last day espn media rights deal applies to only the current 14 full acc members. Feb 1st 2025 last date espn can renew or non-renew acc's medua deal beyond 2026 season. These are the only dates acc menbers need to be concerned with. espn can eviscerate the acc by not renewing media contract. that is all the leverage they need folks.
There is a lot that isn't considered here in this analysis. One of the points that a judge advised me is that ESPN has gotten away with poaching schools when contracts are ending... There is NOTHING legally wrong with advising a school they would get paid more in another conference if they are "available". ... ESPN does not have the ACC under contract after 2027...they just have an option. Sooo.... that is something you may want to discuss with a lawyer --- my friend advises there are a TON of ways this could go. One of the first things he pointed out was that all of these schools are part of the same organization --- the NCAA --- which is a problem for making an anti-trust case. BUT... there are elements that could go either way.
You can tell this show is staged , the Miami guy got all the questions and the NC State dude got all the answers , it’s never the other way around
Relax - this is an opening offer. ESPN and the ACC will renegotiate the TV contract, to keep FSU and Clemson, and to retain the current team configuration - the deal to be done by September 2024 = the fiscal year end for ESPN. The ACC/FSU/Clem have negotiating power since ESPN has to make a TV contract decision by June 2025, which is actually too late in the year for football. But, ESPN has negotiating power since no other conferences really want FSU or Clemson.
Pay up and get a half a share. Disney bleeding money.
Sorry, 2027.
I like Alex but where is Candace....did she quit the show?????
Someone smoking dope 😅, and who they playing Miami 😂
Here you go again Donno with the kneeling jab at Mario again. That is getting old come up with something new
FSU is out of the ACC Bigten here we go BTW FSU is playing chess not checkers Bigten wants FSU,NC,Miami,UVa FSU will play in the Bigten conf in 2025 NC is holding out to go Bigten only if they could bring ncst but bigten does not want ncst so NC needs to jump in and stop being a puss it will be ok it will be FSU,NC,UVA,Miami and the one that got away ND is always welcome
ACC lead counsel meets FSU's lead counsel for first time in person (bahaha) th-cam.com/video/1Mtj_rv3mEc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=HlY7aEROaU_F3olE
Acc killed themselves either way the alliance.
yeah, but the swofford fam (and who knows who else on tobacco road) got that paper! so, the conference served its primary purpose, right?
It's really funny watching FSU and Clemson thinking that they're so valuable. They're not in the same league as Alabama, Michigan, Ohio State, or Georgia. They're on the same level as Tennessee, Auburn and Wisconsin, which is better than the rest of the ACC
You're dumb. FSU and Clemson are both National Champs. They are competitive in any conference. Don't just talk out your bum. Give something factual.
😂 delusional kiddos
Spot on guys! I agree completely. This theory is absurd and tailor-made for the TH-cam conference realignment grifters that hardly talk actual on-the-field college sports.
2027 Phase 1 of the ESPN Super League w/ unequal revenue sharing:
- Florida State
- Clemson
- Miami
- North Carolina
- Virginia
- Stanford
- Cal
- Notre Dame
Y'all have fun staying in the ACC... Maybe Miami or NC State can finally win a ACC championship in football once FSU Clemson and probably a few more leave the ACC...
And you wonder why you are so dispised LMAO
@@wvgolfnut1 well the two teams carry the rest of the ACC monetarily and have to share the revenue they bring to the conference so FSU and Clemson are tired of it. Despise if you want but we are trying to compete with championship caliber and the ACC isn't going to be able to consistently do that in the near future so...
@@wvgolfnut1 trust FSU after the snub last year is perfectly fine being despised and being the villain
Those 2 teams don't carry the Acc. How long was FSU down before last year? Clemson was down forever before Dabo.
@@garlandalmarode6396 how many ACC championships does your team have since 1992... By my count FSU has 17 how many is your team have? Yes we had a few down years in the last 6 years... It's normal for a team to have some down years it's unnormal for FSU to have that many down years but that's what happens when one coach runs your team into the ground another one continually drags further in the dirt and now we have a coach that is taking us on a climb out of it. Everybody acts like FSU was down for 20 years nah try again
Bc, wake, cuse will be left out.