I think your points about how it’s better to study the films from a more objective standpoint is an interesting one. It’s better to academically study a film if you’re not in love with it. With that in mind, maybe it was a good thing that Shaun of the Dead and Trainspotting were replaced for me as I could analyse their replacements a lot better. In saying that though, I think I’d rather study the literally ANYTHING else than Fish Tank in class because watching Michael Fassbender in that movie was the single most awkward thing to ever see in a school environment. The toilet scene from Trainspotting would have probably been less awkward Anyway, this was a great video and it was brilliant to hear your thoughts on these films from a radically different perspective. This has definitely been inspiring for me for when I do my own Film Studies ranking
Funnily enough I actually watched Fish Tank the other week, and I could absolutely see why it’s an awkward one to watch in class. Saying that though, the way the film is put together does work for the study in the British film section. Plus I love the British vibe of the movie. I stand by Trainspotting being perfect to study as well as being a banging film. I look forward to your video
I’m getting too predictable with Shaun 😂 Glad you enjoyed. I was also surprised with how low (relatively speaking) Some Like It Hot was when I put together the list, as I love that film
dude i totally felt when u were talking about ur experience watching do the right thing in class. no matter what film, or really any class i take, having to watch a film (especially one as slow and moving as do the right thing) over multiple period or sittings completely ruins the viewing experience
Yeah that’s why I always prefer to watch the films beforehand so they can wash over me. It was really unfair on DTRT, but I’m glad you understand. I definitely want to revisit it at some point.
Ahh Shaun Of The Dead is amazing, highly recommended from me. Especially for a first time viewer, it’ll be great to experience the jokes and gags, as well as the story completely fresh and blind.
Wow what a great analysis of all the films you studied I really enjoyed it and you are bound to get great grades as your knowledge of these films is most impressive Well done again can’t wait for the next one
Totally respect not being so big into Pan's Labyrinth, especially since you still clearly acknowledge that it is a good film. But I'm surprised you find it surface level. From what you said, I figure you interpret the message of the film to be symbolically showcasing the Nazis as monsters, but I don't really think that's what its truly about at all. The symbolism is there, as with the shoes. The Pale Man is a symbol of the greedy and wealthy, that's true. However, I interpret the main throughline theme of the film to be about contrasting fantasy with horrific reality. They're usually very separate things, but Del Toros best work is usually about putting the two right next to each other. I think Pan's Labyrinth has a lot to say about the nature of escapism and how we represent evil. The Pale Man is a symbol of greed, but you know he's a monster because he's ugly and puts his eyeballs in his hand. Meanwhile, the true monsters aren't so black and white to define. There's also a lot to read in to with this little girl being sent on a quest and overcoming challenges, while in a situation that has her trapped. If all that was clear to you and you still found it surface level, that's fair enough, but I thought I'd share another perspective.
Thanks for your comment, and thanks for being respectful about it. My thoughts on Pan’s Labyrinth is one of my most controversial takes on a movie, and you do bring up some strong points. Admittedly, I didn’t go too in depth on my own thoughts with PL because I’ve done it before in other videos, but I recognise you’re a new viewer. The notion you brought up with the fascists being more monstrous than the fantastical monsters is something I have spotted before, especially in class. For instance the Pale Man scene presents him very similarly to Vidal in the banquet scene (both have a gold colour scheme, both the head of the table with riches and plenty of food, etc). I do get that reading, but that’s not necessarily what I find surface level, rather it’s that theme that to me makes Vidal incredibly surface level, because if Del Toro wants to say that (which of course he’s allowed to), it just reduces him to a bad man who does bad things and nothing more. His stone cold personality throughout the entire thing just doesn’t work for me as his interactions with EVERYBODY is the same, and the gradual build up to his truly monstrous deeds just isn’t there, since my perception of him never changes, which I tend to like (an example would be Hans Landa in Inglorious Basterds). He feels less like an actual person and more like a caricature to me, but that’s just how I see it. I appreciate your views too.
@@DCSMedia Understandable perspective! And Del Toro definitely doesn't do nuanced villains if that's your major preference. I think that's why he includes fascists a lot. He's more interested in having these monstrous villains that are protected and enabled by the systems around them vs. the innocent protagonist with childlike wonder. Shape of Water and Pinocchio are also like that, which are his other "great films". He doesn't exactly hit every time. I do think that Vidal being an incredibly reserved evil may be part of the point. The evil of fascism isn't something that chases you screaming but slowly drains the life of everything around it with a neutral expression. I would also disagree that he's a bad man for badness sake when there is such a historical context there. In the first scene you see him, he squeezes Ofelia's hand hard because she's left handed. He's a man fueled by the ideology that has taken over his country and that, to him, justifies his actions. I also think that Vidal isn't exactly where the heart of the film lies. The contrast between Ofelia's two worlds and how they collide tragically by the end. It's all very romantic and like a classic tragedy. Anyway, interesting to talk about! I enjoy having to look inside and ask why it is I like the film as much as I do. The visuals and music are a big part of that, but I also just find the story very poetic. It's not often films feel poetic, and I love that about it.
@@daniellaniganohara2456 some good points there. And you’re right at the end, I like it when I have to reflect on why I like a certain movie, I definitely had to do that with Sunrise and Pulp Fiction as I mentioned in the video. Funny enough I have seen Pinocchio and The Shape Of Water, and in spite of weaker villains, particularly with the latter, I love both of them, possibly because there was less expectations going into them, unlike with PL which has this massive reputation from the past nearly 2 decades. With Pinocchio, I loved how Del Toro took this familiar story, and twisted it to question the notion of morals and what is the right thing to do, what does it mean to be good? And Pinocchio himself does challenge that in the setting of fascist Italy. And with the Shape Of Water, I’m really interested in Cold War/1960s culture anyway, so I find the story really engaging, and also found Eliza (Sally Hawkins’ character) quite relatable in some ways. I’m glad I enjoyed those films, plus they are so well made (especially Pinocchio with the stop motion animation). Pan’s Labyrinth is the same, it’s a very well made film and a gorgeous looking film, just not entirely my thing, and I’m okay with that, but I liked this discussion :)
@DCSMedia it is a good discussion! And those are fantastic films. Expectations can affect your feelings a lot. Some of my favorite films are ones I underestimated going on.
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I think your points about how it’s better to study the films from a more objective standpoint is an interesting one. It’s better to academically study a film if you’re not in love with it. With that in mind, maybe it was a good thing that Shaun of the Dead and Trainspotting were replaced for me as I could analyse their replacements a lot better. In saying that though, I think I’d rather study the literally ANYTHING else than Fish Tank in class because watching Michael Fassbender in that movie was the single most awkward thing to ever see in a school environment. The toilet scene from Trainspotting would have probably been less awkward
Anyway, this was a great video and it was brilliant to hear your thoughts on these films from a radically different perspective. This has definitely been inspiring for me for when I do my own Film Studies ranking
Funnily enough I actually watched Fish Tank the other week, and I could absolutely see why it’s an awkward one to watch in class. Saying that though, the way the film is put together does work for the study in the British film section. Plus I love the British vibe of the movie. I stand by Trainspotting being perfect to study as well as being a banging film. I look forward to your video
Loved this…. Did guess correct what your number 1 would be👏🏻👏🏻
Surprised where some like it hot came in the list….
I’m getting too predictable with Shaun 😂
Glad you enjoyed. I was also surprised with how low (relatively speaking) Some Like It Hot was when I put together the list, as I love that film
dude i totally felt when u were talking about ur experience watching do the right thing in class. no matter what film, or really any class i take, having to watch a film (especially one as slow and moving as do the right thing) over multiple period or sittings completely ruins the viewing experience
Yeah that’s why I always prefer to watch the films beforehand so they can wash over me. It was really unfair on DTRT, but I’m glad you understand. I definitely want to revisit it at some point.
Maybe I’m underestimating Shaun of the Dead I’ve never seen it personally.
Ahh Shaun Of The Dead is amazing, highly recommended from me. Especially for a first time viewer, it’ll be great to experience the jokes and gags, as well as the story completely fresh and blind.
@@DCSMedia Ive seen the guy from the movie holding the mug for some reason that’s first image that comes to mind when I hear about this movie.
@@creedecriswell634that scene is brilliant and hilarious when you watch the film and get the context 😂
Wow what a great analysis of all the films you studied
I really enjoyed it and you are bound to get great grades as your knowledge of these films is most impressive
Well done again can’t wait for the next one
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it.
Totally respect not being so big into Pan's Labyrinth, especially since you still clearly acknowledge that it is a good film. But I'm surprised you find it surface level. From what you said, I figure you interpret the message of the film to be symbolically showcasing the Nazis as monsters, but I don't really think that's what its truly about at all. The symbolism is there, as with the shoes. The Pale Man is a symbol of the greedy and wealthy, that's true. However, I interpret the main throughline theme of the film to be about contrasting fantasy with horrific reality. They're usually very separate things, but Del Toros best work is usually about putting the two right next to each other. I think Pan's Labyrinth has a lot to say about the nature of escapism and how we represent evil. The Pale Man is a symbol of greed, but you know he's a monster because he's ugly and puts his eyeballs in his hand. Meanwhile, the true monsters aren't so black and white to define. There's also a lot to read in to with this little girl being sent on a quest and overcoming challenges, while in a situation that has her trapped.
If all that was clear to you and you still found it surface level, that's fair enough, but I thought I'd share another perspective.
Thanks for your comment, and thanks for being respectful about it. My thoughts on Pan’s Labyrinth is one of my most controversial takes on a movie, and you do bring up some strong points. Admittedly, I didn’t go too in depth on my own thoughts with PL because I’ve done it before in other videos, but I recognise you’re a new viewer. The notion you brought up with the fascists being more monstrous than the fantastical monsters is something I have spotted before, especially in class. For instance the Pale Man scene presents him very similarly to Vidal in the banquet scene (both have a gold colour scheme, both the head of the table with riches and plenty of food, etc). I do get that reading, but that’s not necessarily what I find surface level, rather it’s that theme that to me makes Vidal incredibly surface level, because if Del Toro wants to say that (which of course he’s allowed to), it just reduces him to a bad man who does bad things and nothing more. His stone cold personality throughout the entire thing just doesn’t work for me as his interactions with EVERYBODY is the same, and the gradual build up to his truly monstrous deeds just isn’t there, since my perception of him never changes, which I tend to like (an example would be Hans Landa in Inglorious Basterds). He feels less like an actual person and more like a caricature to me, but that’s just how I see it. I appreciate your views too.
@@DCSMedia Understandable perspective! And Del Toro definitely doesn't do nuanced villains if that's your major preference. I think that's why he includes fascists a lot. He's more interested in having these monstrous villains that are protected and enabled by the systems around them vs. the innocent protagonist with childlike wonder. Shape of Water and Pinocchio are also like that, which are his other "great films". He doesn't exactly hit every time.
I do think that Vidal being an incredibly reserved evil may be part of the point. The evil of fascism isn't something that chases you screaming but slowly drains the life of everything around it with a neutral expression.
I would also disagree that he's a bad man for badness sake when there is such a historical context there. In the first scene you see him, he squeezes Ofelia's hand hard because she's left handed. He's a man fueled by the ideology that has taken over his country and that, to him, justifies his actions.
I also think that Vidal isn't exactly where the heart of the film lies. The contrast between Ofelia's two worlds and how they collide tragically by the end. It's all very romantic and like a classic tragedy.
Anyway, interesting to talk about! I enjoy having to look inside and ask why it is I like the film as much as I do. The visuals and music are a big part of that, but I also just find the story very poetic. It's not often films feel poetic, and I love that about it.
@@daniellaniganohara2456 some good points there. And you’re right at the end, I like it when I have to reflect on why I like a certain movie, I definitely had to do that with Sunrise and Pulp Fiction as I mentioned in the video. Funny enough I have seen Pinocchio and The Shape Of Water, and in spite of weaker villains, particularly with the latter, I love both of them, possibly because there was less expectations going into them, unlike with PL which has this massive reputation from the past nearly 2 decades. With Pinocchio, I loved how Del Toro took this familiar story, and twisted it to question the notion of morals and what is the right thing to do, what does it mean to be good? And Pinocchio himself does challenge that in the setting of fascist Italy. And with the Shape Of Water, I’m really interested in Cold War/1960s culture anyway, so I find the story really engaging, and also found Eliza (Sally Hawkins’ character) quite relatable in some ways. I’m glad I enjoyed those films, plus they are so well made (especially Pinocchio with the stop motion animation). Pan’s Labyrinth is the same, it’s a very well made film and a gorgeous looking film, just not entirely my thing, and I’m okay with that, but I liked this discussion :)
@DCSMedia it is a good discussion! And those are fantastic films. Expectations can affect your feelings a lot. Some of my favorite films are ones I underestimated going on.