I tried this, and works. Tip: When you draw QR code, don't use dots. Jade will struggle to scan it. Instead, fulfill whole square. This way, Jade will scan QR code promptly.
One security flaw I can see in this is that if using in stateless mode with the seed QR code you would never want it to be displayed to the camera on the mobile phone. I would even go the extent of having the qr code in a different room with no cameras and once jade is setup walking out to a different room for the mobile phone steps. Thoughts?
Yeah, that aspect makes me nervous. We're always to be so careful with our seed phrase, and then we've got this piece of paper with one of the easier things a computer can scan, containing the phrase. I suppose the passphrase (Ben recommended using) would be the protection, but I still am not sure I like that. I think I like the Blind Oracle method better, even if it takes a bit more time and is more fiddly.
Thanks for the 'Method 2' Blind Oracle tutorial. I watched a few others who just mentioned this mode, but didn't show how it worked. Even the Blockstream info is a bit confusing regarding those two modes, or especially the Blind Oracle one.
Do you mean in terms of physical security? Yes, that is a fair point. It is probably easier for a thief who is physically in your house to just find that QR code, than crack into Jade if the key were stored there. That's why adding that passphrase is probably a very good idea in this scenario, as having that paper QR is a bit risky (although, same problem with 12/24 words in your safe or such, too). The main point is that this makes using it as an air-gapped stateless signing device quite easy. You could even create multiple SeedQR codes (like one for each family member) and use the same Jade. Of course, you could also do this will multiple passphrases.
I've bought mine from a certified reseller in the UK and made the mistake of setting up the wallet with the usb cable instead of QR code , the wallet already has bitcoin in it , how can I make a new wallet and this time air gapped , this besides the fact that I'm quite concerned that I bought it from a certified reseller
Can you do the seedQR after setup? I wanna be able to generate a seed phrase, write it down, send it a small amount of BTC, factory reset the device, then re-add the seed phrase to make sure I wrote it down correctly. Then, if all goes well, set up the seedQR. I don't see the point in setting up the seedQR until I know I correctly recorded the seed phrase. One of the things I appreciate about the Coldcard Q is that it makes you confirm all 12 or 24 words in random order after you write it down. I'm new to hardware wallets and crypto in general, so I would appreciate some advice on how to do this. If I generate a seed phrase on the Jade, setup a wallet and key with Nunchuk, then send it some BTC. When I wipe the Jade, do I have to delete the wallet and key from Nunchuk too and set it up again or will that all still work after restoring the seed phrase onto the freshly wiped Jade? I assume I don't based on the stateless setup you demonstrate in this video looks like it's basically doing the same thing. Thank you
Contrary to what Ben says in this video, you CAN create the SeedQR even while already storing a seed on the device. It's under Options -> Temporary Signer. Type in your 12 or 24 words and it will let you create a SeedQR Code from it. Once you have the SeedQR, you could even have one seed phrase stored permanently on your Jade and temporarily use the other one by scanning the SeedQR.
Thanks for putting this out to show the new features. I have one on preorder and am excited to try it out.. I can already tell that i am going to have a hard time scanning that little thing with my web cam. We'll see how it goes. I don't plan on sending funds often from this wallet anyways ;) Your videos have been so much help for me, man. I have a simple, full node running with umbrel and several wallets running through it, thanks to your guidance.
Excellent demo. You mentioned trouble scanning. I noticed that your hand drawn QR code was incorrect. It is missing a dot in the bottom center. I just bought a Jade. I tried to scan a snapshot of your QR from the video and had a lot of trouble. It would eventually scan after a long time and a lot of moving around. I then entered the 12 words into my Jade, went to create the QR and noticed the extra dot. I added the extra dot to the snapshot I took of your QR and it now scans immediately.
Good video. But the process to upgrade the firmware, after initial install, on Jade (and Coldcard) is way too complex. Well above my pay grade. What do you think about Tangem?
@@yankeesuperstar maybey ,my nunchuk single sig asked for a pin code on my phone one day ,i never used one, be carefull, still trying to find it, i refreshed my nunchuk wallet and my wallet disapeared, trying to recover the jade doesnt ask for the extra passphrase i added when i made the qr code and 24 words, so far it hasnt shown up,its encrypted from the extra passphrase i need my jade to ask for the extra passphese ,i did it uninisialized hel help help
Were you trying to set it up using Sparrow wallet? I was having the same issue until I exported the seed as a QR and chose to not use a pin. It was very confusing
I'm a COMPLETE newbie... but I want good security. I can't find head to head info on jade vs cold card. Do you suggest one vs the other for someone new? On this I'm worried ab the QR physically being found or being too easy to destroy. Also I think cold card allows multiple wallets. Thoughts? Or do U have a comparison video search hasn't found?
I don't know a lot about Cold Card, but I've heard it has more features. But, the Jade should be as secure, at least in any of the modes in common between the two. Be sure you do some learning to get past that 'complete newbie' stage, as you can create great security, but mess yourself up in the process if you go beyond your understanding! Jade allows multiple wallets as well, in the sense that you can create multiple passphrases (each creates a new wallet based on the base seed phrase. The base seed phrase is just a wallet with no passphrase.). That said, maybe the Cold Card can actually store multiple seed phrases? If so, I suppose that is a nice feature. I think it has a SD card slot, too? Maybe they store each on independent SD cards? re: QR found - Yes, I think that is a concern, just like your 12/24 seed phrase being found. You'd have to protect either, and IMO having a piece of paper like that around that you regularly use, is a bit of a concern. However, as the video shows, Ben recommends adding a passphrase. If you add a good passphrase (I think it can be up to 50 characters, case-sensitive, etc.), even if someone had your 12/24 words/QR, they'd have to guess or brute-force that passphrase, which would still be hard.
@@SteveW928 thank you! Do you know if the paraphrase is only local protection or if it adds to the protection of a brute forcing the paraphrase on the blockchain!?
How did the Jade/Sparrow combo work for you on desktop? Specifically the ease (or lack of) getting the webcam to pick up the QR code from the Jade screen?
If using the blind oracle method and using the PIN and having the keys on the jade, would you say to then not import the seed to the QR? I thought the idea of being able to recover the wallet using the QR instead of going through all the recovery words was really cool. Also, I thought, its a seedQR, so if a random person finds it and tries to scan it normally using their QR scanner on their phone... Nothing will happen, correct? It would need to be used specifically with software which reads it. Anyone who manages to find the 24 words will know what they are and can download a mobile wallet and just type them in. So, theoretically, is having the recovery phrase imported onto the QR both a safer and more convenient way to keep it over using the traditional 24 word phrase on some paper?
The type of person who would immediately recognize those 24 words isn’t a random person. They are someone who is quite familiar with Bitcoin, as most “random” people don’t know a thing about seed words. This QR is less secure than seed words, just because it takes less time to quickly input/steal the information by the same threat.
My understanding is that the seedQR thing is more universal than just the Jade (though maybe a typical QR scanner might not know what it is). It is really for convenience, but then yeah, you'd want to add a passphrase, hide it well, be careful an Internet connected camera isn't seeing it, etc. I'd still, absolutely, make a backup of the seed phrase words like I would for any other wallet (ie. steel washers, plate, etc.). So, no, I don't think it is safer. That's why Ben recommended adding that passphrase (which is a good idea to do anyway, IMO... what if someone breaks into your home and finds your 12/24 words, or that QR in this case?). Just be sure you read up a bit on passphrases, so you know how they work (ie. 13th/25th 'word', case-sensitive, each unique one creates a new wallet beyond the base seed phrase, which is a wallet with no passphrase, etc.).
great video. 2 questions when you are adding the single sig wallet when you click done and underneath it says run health check i dont have the done option is that ok ? also my wallet says 1/1 single sig instead of just single sig like yours is that ok also ? thanks
It's not encrypted. Adding the passphrase (a better one than abc, lol) is supposed to help secure it. The seedQR is just an easier to use version of your seed word list. Saves you from entering all those words each time you want to send.
How is this air gapped? You have connected it to a computer to "install firmware"... Air gapped means NEVER connect it to anything that's capable of speaking to the outside world. You can QR what you want and call that "air gapped" but it is not what you think it means. :) I also do not see how an external QR code which is not secured by anything is better than a seed on a device blocked by a pincode. :) Sticking with my coldcard. ;)
But do you not install the firmware first before generating any wallets, then never connect it to the Internet again so even if something malicious was installed it can't report it back? Just my thinking haven't set mine up yet
I suppose one is trusting Blockstream's firmware update and factory restore (wipe) functions, but you're trusting their device to begin with. You can wipe the device (factory reset) and/or update the firmware to get the device to the state you want it, and then setup your wallet with it air-gapped and operate air-gapped beyond that point.
Depends on what interface you're going to be using it primarily with I guess! On mobile you're gonna want NFC or QR signing capabilities. The tapsigner is awesome for this, and I'm looking forward to the Coldcard Q1 having both features baked in. For desktop I tend to use my Coldcard MK4 as my main driver but I DO have other devices as well. Trezor/Ledger/Passport/SeedSigner all do the trick pretty well and it comes down to personal preference at that point!
With this Hardware Wallet method, could we have sent only a portion of the funds to the second wallet address on phone 2? The question is because they usually say that you should transfer everything from one bitcoin address, but that's if it's a paper wallet, right? With the hardware wallets, there is no such problem, right? Thanks.
if we are connecting jade with internet connected laptop via USB , wont it b a risk. hardware should not be connected to internet but then how we will update the firmware?
If you want to be safe, make sure you have your seed phrase (probably best if you've tested it by doing this before you have stored much BTC on it... just small test amount), and you can do a factory reset of the Jade (you can initiate this via start button on the Jade). Then you can connect the Jade and update the firmware. Then disconnect and do another factory reset. Then restore your seed phrase. Of course, if you use it in the 'stateless signing device' way, then you can easily update whenever you like, because nothing is stored on it anyway. You could do the factory reset before/after, just to be extra safe. Note: it is true that there is a bit of trust involved here, that something funky isn't up with the device/firmware, where it 'remembers' something which it transmits once plugged in. I guess if you were concerned to that extent, you wouldn't want to update it or ever connect it to the Internet after generating your seed phrase. Hopefully, though, if this were the case and it being open-source, someone in the Bitcoin community with the knowledge/skills would figure it out and alert the community. There isn't zero-trust with any of these devices/solutions.
i have made a wallet on my desktop i connected my phone to jade and i can see the wallet on blockstream along with my desktop wallet there was never a seed phrase made for the phone wallet what happens if i have btc on the phone wallet and it gets deleted? if i make the phone jade wallet again it will come back? thank you
Somewhat noob here and I have a few questions. Will I be able to recover my adress and use it on some other platform if I have the 12/24 seedphrase or do I need the QR as well? What about the passphrase if I lose it/forget it? If I lose or the jade breaks what happens besides me not being able to sign transactions? I can still use my wallet for receiving/sending without it right?
You can always recover your Bitcoin wallet with any wallet software with your list of seed words. The seed QR is just the seed phrase (the private keys to your bitcoin) in a "different form". If you generated a passphrase, you should keep it safe because you need it to recover your wallet. If you lose the Jade, just restore your wallet with a different hardware device or with a Bitcoin software wallet.
@@teemupleb This, plus tamper indication when purchased. I'd not get one used, or buy from a 3rd party in this case (especially a vendor like Amazon). If you get it directly from Blockstream, and the tamper-stickers are in place, etc. then it should be pretty safe. Yes, then it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to wipe/firmware install/update, too, before setting up a wallet. I suppose it could be possible to install some kind of interception of data... like between the chips and the screen? That's why I would only get it directly from Blockstream, new.
Hey Ben, I'm fairly new to all of this. Thanks for all the info your channel has delivered. SO helpful... With regards to this device/method, I wanted to ask... How do you protect the QR code from damage and bad people? Having this around seems the same as having your seed laying around on paper no? Am I missing something? FYI, I am intending to use this as one of my signature devices on a sparrow multisig wallet. Not sure if that is relevant info... Thanks again
The QR sheet is like a shorthand method of your 12 or 24 words. Stamp those on metal and secure them. The QR code also needs to be secured but it is not the 12 or 24 seed words, just a shorthand version of it. Keep them both secured to keep your coin.
You can print out more. The one in box is really nice, but they have instructions to download a printable version. Also, keep in mind the QR code is just your seed phrase in that computer-easily-scannable format. So, you (hopefully) wrote down that 12/24 word seed phrase as well, which can always recreate the wallet. If you factory-reset the Jade, then set it up as restoring a wallet, I think it would lead you through creating the QR again.
Thank you for this video! It was exactly what I needed to understand how to get my BTC off from the exchange. One silly question? If you are running your own node; how do you connect to it if you’re in another location? I guess I assumed you needed to be in the same location. I believe I need to research nodes better. 😮
I accidentally restored my jade seed on the green app when I really wanted to do view mode only. Once I realized what I did I quickly removed the wallet from green. Should I generate new seed for the Jade or do you think I’ll be okay? I figured I’d be fine after removing it since Jade/green is same company.
@@damchi25 I have 2 cold wallets single sig but want to do multi sig am I able to make that change to sign transactions? And once that change is made I can no longer sign a transaction by itself on one of the cold wallets correct? I’m still trying to learn this lol
No. You have to create a new (multisig) wallet. A multisig wallet is more complex than a singlesig, not only to sign transations but to keep backup properly
The fact that you have to plug it into your PC or use bluetooth to update the firmware defeats the whole purpose of an air-gapped device. If the Jade had a microSD card slot it would possibly be the best BTC wallet available based on the price. Without it, you might as well use a Ledger or Trezor.
i followed one of these videos on how to use blockstream jade and put bitcoin on a nunchuck wallet single sig ,i even named it jade single, when i did it i could always see my wallet one day it asked for a pin,i never put a pin i did 24 words plus a password on jade,i didnt something and the whole wallets gone,not emptied just gone,so i rescan the qr code with jade also used 24 words the expub, my jade never asks for the extra password that i believe encrypts, anyone know how to get my jade to ask for the extra password, i just get an empty wallet with not the same name, i stamped this thing, also once you put it on nunchuk single sig wallet is it good to delete it from your phone also blue wallet should you leave it on your phone,it was qr the same way but still there ,im not sure what to do with it from here
thanks for the review, I was thinking if it at all could be possible for a company to have a list of possible seed words combinations for each device they are sending out and in time steal bitcoin? Is it all transparent in open source for a device like ColdCard or Trezor? Why are the devices generating these words and we cant make them up ourselves?
You can, and potentially should create your seed words in meat space. Use dice, a hat or coin flips. For large values, don't rely on the electronic random number generator.
There is some amount of trust here, though in theory, it is all open-source so coders could see if they were doing something, like 'phoning home' with the seed phrase, etc. But, the device doesn't come with a seed phrase (or even a few) installed, it generates it randomly (and has a fairly sophisticated process for doing so, which includes things like reading the BT radio for 'noise' to add into the calculation). If you're using it air-gapped like this, it would have to be embedding the seed phrase into the QR-codes it exchanges with the phone app when doing something like signing a transaction (which can be from another vendor, like BlueWallet, Nunchuk, etc. so they would have to conspire together to pull that off). You can actually generate your own seed phrase and then just restore it to the Jade. There is debate about doing so within the community, as some argue you might screw up and create a less-random seed phrase. I've been going back and fourth about this myself. (Note: when I say generate, I mean using techniques like coin flips, dice, deck of cards, etc.... never, ever try to actually just pick words yourself from the list, as you're not a good random generator.) For example, if the dice aren't high enough quality, the rolls might not be random enough, such that the seed phrase that results is easier to crack (lower entropy). I don't know how valid this concern actually is, vs 'in theory'.
Dear Ben, I used combination Jade and Nunchuk. If l want to draw qr code on computer, and then print it on my home printer, could my wallet be jeopardized? Can someone, somehow get to my qr code, because I printed using internet? My Jade wallet has additional word as a secure measure
I have only wifi connection to the printer. Anyway, the main question remains. Could my wallet be jeopardized in that case? As long as I understood, even if I give my qr code to someone, it is useless without nunchuk and additonal security word?
@@MiljanRistanovic I don’t think it’ll be jeopardised, but I personally wouldn’t print via the internet just to be safe. Just plug in the cable, turn off the wifi connection, if you need to print them. Yes, the passphrase adds extra security, to access the wallet, they’ll need that. Just wondering, why not use the blockstream Green, instead of nunchuck? Also, you don’t use desktop wallet? As I believe nunchuck is mobile only.
The Green wallet doesn’t have air-gapped option. That’s how I understood (: Maybe they made that option now, I don’t know. I didn’t find well explaned steps for green wallet and Jade. If you would be so kind to send me one, I would be more then gratefull.
@@MiljanRistanovic LOL third time I’m replying now, yt thinks I’m spamming and warned me or they’ll block me from commenting. Weird. Quick answer- green do support air gap, it’s their official wallet. Many tutorial on yt.
After seeing the Maui and the Paradise fires. and the blue and light green materials that survived the intense heat that melted cars.metal etc, Knowing now that laser light in colour spectrum of blue blue materials survived the D.E.W. attack so another back up for seed would be blue fire proof, water proof material. Just a thought. Enjoy your info thank you.
We do not recommend the Blockstream Jade. None of the air gapped features worked for us: The bluetooth feature and the QR code feature. We reached out to support but they we not helpful.
1) Would it not be a security risk having to keep your seed always accessible/close by to use this wallet? 2). How do you create and print a seed QR in a safe manner? Great video!
@@wrexxy49 Building a seedsigner is how you keep anonymous. No one will ever know you purchased a hardware signing device because you never purchased one. If you are willing to trade secrecy to save a few dollars, then by all means go add the Jade to your cart and give them your address.
@@bitcoin__help please add chart (like trezor and ledger has) in Green and make the font size bigger for the amount. It looks OK on phone, but on desktop it's too small.
Nope. This is stupid. the whole point of the wallet is to HOLD my keys on an encrypted device, and not on a crappy piece of paper with a QR code. Then I might as well just generate a paper wallet the old fashioned way.
I thought the same thing when I first tried out a build it yourself device called the Seed Signer. I've changed my mind. You can stamp the QR in steel, or you can retain the seed on the device and still sign via QR. I think the main purpose here is to give the option to have a device that can interact with various seeds in different ways. For example you could import one seed briefly to sign a certain transaction, then import another for a different session/wallet. You can also import/interact with dispersed QR versions of a multisig and have a single device that comes along with you to execute signatures without having the keys in a single location.
@@BTCSessions But is the seed only stored on the QR, or can you sign transactions without it? I prefer to backup my seed praises on encrypted USB flash drives rather than on paper/metal
@@simonmaersk in this instance it is only stored on the QR, but it is up to you. You could do both and have the QR for easy import on a new device later. Some people prefer to have a device that is blank, keep their seeds separately, and only have them on something electronic when they sign.
You are doing a great job! Can you help me with something unrelated? I have a SafePal wallet with USDT in it and I have my recovery phrase.『pride』-『pole』-『obtain』-『together』-『second』-『when』-『future』-『mask』-『review』-『nature』-『potato』-『bulb』. How do I transfer them to Binance?
I tried this, and works. Tip: When you draw QR code, don't use dots. Jade will struggle to scan it. Instead, fulfill whole square. This way, Jade will scan QR code promptly.
This is a silly question, but what if you lose the draw QR code?
@@jonathanalexandermartinezp7526 You lose everything!
@@jonathanalexandermartinezp7526you lose all your coins
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You still have 12/24 words.
@@jonathanalexandermartinezp7526You should still have your seed (12 words) so you can create a new QR code at any time.
Great Vid! Any chance of making MultiSig setup video on the blockstream jade?
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One security flaw I can see in this is that if using in stateless mode with the seed QR code you would never want it to be displayed to the camera on the mobile phone. I would even go the extent of having the qr code in a different room with no cameras and once jade is setup walking out to a different room for the mobile phone steps. Thoughts?
I'd always keep the seedQR card face down on the table or in an envelope when not actively scanning it.
Yeah, that aspect makes me nervous. We're always to be so careful with our seed phrase, and then we've got this piece of paper with one of the easier things a computer can scan, containing the phrase. I suppose the passphrase (Ben recommended using) would be the protection, but I still am not sure I like that. I think I like the Blind Oracle method better, even if it takes a bit more time and is more fiddly.
Thanks for the 'Method 2' Blind Oracle tutorial. I watched a few others who just mentioned this mode, but didn't show how it worked. Even the Blockstream info is a bit confusing regarding those two modes, or especially the Blind Oracle one.
The private key is not on the device but on the paper slip qr code. So what's the point?
Do you mean in terms of physical security? Yes, that is a fair point. It is probably easier for a thief who is physically in your house to just find that QR code, than crack into Jade if the key were stored there. That's why adding that passphrase is probably a very good idea in this scenario, as having that paper QR is a bit risky (although, same problem with 12/24 words in your safe or such, too).
The main point is that this makes using it as an air-gapped stateless signing device quite easy. You could even create multiple SeedQR codes (like one for each family member) and use the same Jade. Of course, you could also do this will multiple passphrases.
I've bought mine from a certified reseller in the UK and made the mistake of setting up the wallet with the usb cable instead of QR code , the wallet already has bitcoin in it , how can I make a new wallet and this time air gapped , this besides the fact that I'm quite concerned that I bought it from a certified reseller
Can you do the seedQR after setup? I wanna be able to generate a seed phrase, write it down, send it a small amount of BTC, factory reset the device, then re-add the seed phrase to make sure I wrote it down correctly. Then, if all goes well, set up the seedQR. I don't see the point in setting up the seedQR until I know I correctly recorded the seed phrase. One of the things I appreciate about the Coldcard Q is that it makes you confirm all 12 or 24 words in random order after you write it down.
I'm new to hardware wallets and crypto in general, so I would appreciate some advice on how to do this. If I generate a seed phrase on the Jade, setup a wallet and key with Nunchuk, then send it some BTC. When I wipe the Jade, do I have to delete the wallet and key from Nunchuk too and set it up again or will that all still work after restoring the seed phrase onto the freshly wiped Jade? I assume I don't based on the stateless setup you demonstrate in this video looks like it's basically doing the same thing.
Thank you
Contrary to what Ben says in this video, you CAN create the SeedQR even while already storing a seed on the device.
It's under Options -> Temporary Signer. Type in your 12 or 24 words and it will let you create a SeedQR Code from it.
Once you have the SeedQR, you could even have one seed phrase stored permanently on your Jade and temporarily use the other one by scanning the SeedQR.
Thanks for putting this out to show the new features. I have one on preorder and am excited to try it out.. I can already tell that i am going to have a hard time scanning that little thing with my web cam. We'll see how it goes. I don't plan on sending funds often from this wallet anyways ;) Your videos have been so much help for me, man. I have a simple, full node running with umbrel and several wallets running through it, thanks to your guidance.
Yeah, it might be tricky on desktop with a web-cam, but I suppose doable. Certainly more oriented towards a wallet on a mobile phone.
You should have a go at building a DIY Jade next
Excellent demo.
You mentioned trouble scanning. I noticed that your hand drawn QR code was incorrect. It is missing a dot in the bottom center.
I just bought a Jade. I tried to scan a snapshot of your QR from the video and had a lot of trouble. It would eventually scan after a long time and a lot of moving around. I then entered the 12 words into my Jade, went to create the QR and noticed the extra dot. I added the extra dot to the snapshot I took of your QR and it now scans immediately.
Good video. But the process to upgrade the firmware, after initial install, on Jade (and Coldcard) is way too complex. Well above my pay grade. What do you think about Tangem?
If you lose the QR code, is there a way to show the code and draw it again?
I wondered that too!!!
Why nunchuk and not blockstream green
ive been told your increasing security by using different companies.
@@yankeesuperstar maybey ,my nunchuk single sig asked for a pin code on my phone one day ,i never used one, be carefull, still trying to find it, i refreshed my nunchuk wallet and my wallet disapeared, trying to recover the jade doesnt ask for the extra passphrase i added when i made the qr code and 24 words, so far it hasnt shown up,its encrypted from the extra passphrase i need my jade to ask for the extra passphese ,i did it uninisialized hel help help
Thank for the guide, I was having trouble understanding QRPin and it was blocking me from setting up my air-gapped wallet.
Now I understand.
Were you trying to set it up using Sparrow wallet? I was having the same issue until I exported the seed as a QR and chose to not use a pin. It was very confusing
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I'm a COMPLETE newbie... but I want good security. I can't find head to head info on jade vs cold card. Do you suggest one vs the other for someone new? On this I'm worried ab the QR physically being found or being too easy to destroy. Also I think cold card allows multiple wallets.
Thoughts? Or do U have a comparison video search hasn't found?
I don't know a lot about Cold Card, but I've heard it has more features. But, the Jade should be as secure, at least in any of the modes in common between the two. Be sure you do some learning to get past that 'complete newbie' stage, as you can create great security, but mess yourself up in the process if you go beyond your understanding!
Jade allows multiple wallets as well, in the sense that you can create multiple passphrases (each creates a new wallet based on the base seed phrase. The base seed phrase is just a wallet with no passphrase.). That said, maybe the Cold Card can actually store multiple seed phrases? If so, I suppose that is a nice feature. I think it has a SD card slot, too? Maybe they store each on independent SD cards?
re: QR found - Yes, I think that is a concern, just like your 12/24 seed phrase being found. You'd have to protect either, and IMO having a piece of paper like that around that you regularly use, is a bit of a concern. However, as the video shows, Ben recommends adding a passphrase. If you add a good passphrase (I think it can be up to 50 characters, case-sensitive, etc.), even if someone had your 12/24 words/QR, they'd have to guess or brute-force that passphrase, which would still be hard.
@@SteveW928 thank you! Do you know if the paraphrase is only local protection or if it adds to the protection of a brute forcing the paraphrase on the blockchain!?
Jade won't scan my had drawn QR seed phrase... what to do... wanted to practice sending $ to another wallet
Do you have a video comparing jade and coldcard q? Which is better? Easier to use? I presume the full keyboard helps with passcode.
How did the Jade/Sparrow combo work for you on desktop? Specifically the ease (or lack of) getting the webcam to pick up the QR code from the Jade screen?
I got frustrated with it.. maybe it's the quality of my old MacBook webcam.. who knows
use a decent magnifying glass
If using the blind oracle method and using the PIN and having the keys on the jade, would you say to then not import the seed to the QR? I thought the idea of being able to recover the wallet using the QR instead of going through all the recovery words was really cool.
Also, I thought, its a seedQR, so if a random person finds it and tries to scan it normally using their QR scanner on their phone... Nothing will happen, correct? It would need to be used specifically with software which reads it. Anyone who manages to find the 24 words will know what they are and can download a mobile wallet and just type them in. So, theoretically, is having the recovery phrase imported onto the QR both a safer and more convenient way to keep it over using the traditional 24 word phrase on some paper?
The type of person who would immediately recognize those 24 words isn’t a random person. They are someone who is quite familiar with Bitcoin, as most “random” people don’t know a thing about seed words.
This QR is less secure than seed words, just because it takes less time to quickly input/steal the information by the same threat.
0.89 BTC will get you 12 BTC
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My understanding is that the seedQR thing is more universal than just the Jade (though maybe a typical QR scanner might not know what it is). It is really for convenience, but then yeah, you'd want to add a passphrase, hide it well, be careful an Internet connected camera isn't seeing it, etc. I'd still, absolutely, make a backup of the seed phrase words like I would for any other wallet (ie. steel washers, plate, etc.).
So, no, I don't think it is safer. That's why Ben recommended adding that passphrase (which is a good idea to do anyway, IMO... what if someone breaks into your home and finds your 12/24 words, or that QR in this case?). Just be sure you read up a bit on passphrases, so you know how they work (ie. 13th/25th 'word', case-sensitive, each unique one creates a new wallet beyond the base seed phrase, which is a wallet with no passphrase, etc.).
@@reggyelizer8126 I agree with you on that point.
Thanks for the video bro ! Very helpful much appreciated
great video. 2 questions when you are adding the single sig wallet when you click done and underneath it says run health check i dont have the done option is that ok ? also my wallet says 1/1 single sig instead of just single sig like yours is that ok also ? thanks
Can you do a vid with strike as the hot wallet
Awesome Video Ben! So glad to have the QR air gapped mode. The Blind oracle mode is cool...but takes too long for my taste
Is the seed qr code Encrypted? Just so if anyone else scans it, it will be encrypted and thus useless to them?
It's not encrypted. Adding the passphrase (a better one than abc, lol) is supposed to help secure it. The seedQR is just an easier to use version of your seed word list. Saves you from entering all those words each time you want to send.
So it’s only airgapped w QR not Bluetooth?
Is there a new Jade coming out? If I look at the official blockstream shop it shows pre order
No change to the internals, but they're releasing a bunch of different colors!
Cool! Thanks for clearing that up. Transparent Bitcoin Orange looks sexy!
@@JB-jx3qfso sexy
Amazing buying Jade.
Amazing video 🔥 Thank you so much
Si se desactiva la conexión BLUETOOTH, o se instala el software sin BLUETOOTH no afecta eso con la entropia en la creacion de la frase mnemónica?
How is this air gapped? You have connected it to a computer to "install firmware"... Air gapped means NEVER connect it to anything that's capable of speaking to the outside world. You can QR what you want and call that "air gapped" but it is not what you think it means. :)
I also do not see how an external QR code which is not secured by anything is better than a seed on a device blocked by a pincode. :)
Sticking with my coldcard. ;)
But do you not install the firmware first before generating any wallets, then never connect it to the Internet again so even if something malicious was installed it can't report it back? Just my thinking haven't set mine up yet
I suppose one is trusting Blockstream's firmware update and factory restore (wipe) functions, but you're trusting their device to begin with. You can wipe the device (factory reset) and/or update the firmware to get the device to the state you want it, and then setup your wallet with it air-gapped and operate air-gapped beyond that point.
Hey man! What 3 hw wallets would you recommend for a 2/3 multisig setup?
Depends on what interface you're going to be using it primarily with I guess! On mobile you're gonna want NFC or QR signing capabilities. The tapsigner is awesome for this, and I'm looking forward to the Coldcard Q1 having both features baked in.
For desktop I tend to use my Coldcard MK4 as my main driver but I DO have other devices as well. Trezor/Ledger/Passport/SeedSigner all do the trick pretty well and it comes down to personal preference at that point!
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With this Hardware Wallet method, could we have sent only a portion of the funds to the second wallet address on phone 2? The question is because they usually say that you should transfer everything from one bitcoin address, but that's if it's a paper wallet, right? With the hardware wallets, there is no such problem, right? Thanks.
if we are connecting jade with internet connected laptop via USB , wont it b a risk. hardware should not be connected to internet but then how we will update the firmware?
If you want to be safe, make sure you have your seed phrase (probably best if you've tested it by doing this before you have stored much BTC on it... just small test amount), and you can do a factory reset of the Jade (you can initiate this via start button on the Jade). Then you can connect the Jade and update the firmware. Then disconnect and do another factory reset. Then restore your seed phrase.
Of course, if you use it in the 'stateless signing device' way, then you can easily update whenever you like, because nothing is stored on it anyway. You could do the factory reset before/after, just to be extra safe.
Note: it is true that there is a bit of trust involved here, that something funky isn't up with the device/firmware, where it 'remembers' something which it transmits once plugged in. I guess if you were concerned to that extent, you wouldn't want to update it or ever connect it to the Internet after generating your seed phrase. Hopefully, though, if this were the case and it being open-source, someone in the Bitcoin community with the knowledge/skills would figure it out and alert the community. There isn't zero-trust with any of these devices/solutions.
but if your bitcoin isnt off exchange were is it, i would rather have my bitcoin in cold storage
in my own storage,if you can
What happens if their server goes down? Where's the handcuffs emoji? Had I known this before buying I would have bought coldcard
i have made a wallet on my desktop i connected my phone to jade and i can see the wallet on blockstream along with my desktop wallet there was never a seed phrase made for the phone wallet what happens if i have btc on the phone wallet and it gets deleted? if i make the phone jade wallet again it will come back? thank you
The bitkey by block is soooooo much more user friendly WOW... The questions now is it as secure?
Somewhat noob here and I have a few questions. Will I be able to recover my adress and use it on some other platform if I have the 12/24 seedphrase or do I need the QR as well? What about the passphrase if I lose it/forget it? If I lose or the jade breaks what happens besides me not being able to sign transactions? I can still use my wallet for receiving/sending without it right?
You can always recover your Bitcoin wallet with any wallet software with your list of seed words. The seed QR is just the seed phrase (the private keys to your bitcoin) in a "different form".
If you generated a passphrase, you should keep it safe because you need it to recover your wallet.
If you lose the Jade, just restore your wallet with a different hardware device or with a Bitcoin software wallet.
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How do you verify that the device has not been hacked or compromised?
If it accepts the official firmware update from Blockstream
@@teemupleb Hmmm ok. I’d rather put together a Seedsigner by myself. Easy and cheap . 👍
0.89 BTC will get you 12 BTC
from my video
@@teemupleb This, plus tamper indication when purchased. I'd not get one used, or buy from a 3rd party in this case (especially a vendor like Amazon). If you get it directly from Blockstream, and the tamper-stickers are in place, etc. then it should be pretty safe. Yes, then it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to wipe/firmware install/update, too, before setting up a wallet.
I suppose it could be possible to install some kind of interception of data... like between the chips and the screen? That's why I would only get it directly from Blockstream, new.
Hey Ben, I'm fairly new to all of this. Thanks for all the info your channel has delivered. SO helpful... With regards to this device/method, I wanted to ask... How do you protect the QR code from damage and bad people? Having this around seems the same as having your seed laying around on paper no? Am I missing something? FYI, I am intending to use this as one of my signature devices on a sparrow multisig wallet. Not sure if that is relevant info... Thanks again
The QR sheet is like a shorthand method of your 12 or 24 words. Stamp those on metal and secure them. The QR code also needs to be secured but it is not the 12 or 24 seed words, just a shorthand version of it. Keep them both secured to keep your coin.
@@stevejacobson7431 Thanks I appreciate it
What do I do if I drew dots incorrectly? How do I erase the incorrect dots? Any options to get a new qr scan card?
white out worked for me
You can print out more. The one in box is really nice, but they have instructions to download a printable version.
Also, keep in mind the QR code is just your seed phrase in that computer-easily-scannable format. So, you (hopefully) wrote down that 12/24 word seed phrase as well, which can always recreate the wallet. If you factory-reset the Jade, then set it up as restoring a wallet, I think it would lead you through creating the QR again.
Thank you for this video! It was exactly what I needed to understand how to get my BTC off from the exchange. One silly question? If you are running your own node; how do you connect to it if you’re in another location? I guess I assumed you needed to be in the same location. I believe I need to research nodes better. 😮
Anybody transactions not going through using nun chuck
I accidentally restored my jade seed on the green app when I really wanted to do view mode only. Once I realized what I did I quickly removed the wallet from green. Should I generate new seed for the Jade or do you think I’ll be okay? I figured I’d be fine after removing it since Jade/green is same company.
If you restored to an online connected device it’s no longer a cold wallet. I’d create a new seed…
@@damchi25 that’s what I did. I wasn’t paying attention when I was suppose to create a view Only wallet smh.
@@damchi25 I have 2 cold wallets single sig but want to do multi sig am I able to make that change to sign transactions? And once that change is made I can no longer sign a transaction by itself on one of the cold wallets correct?
I’m still trying to learn this lol
@@mr_digdeeper You can have balances on both cold wallets and use the devices separately as signing devices for a different multisig wallet
No. You have to create a new (multisig) wallet. A multisig wallet is more complex than a singlesig, not only to sign transations but to keep backup properly
The fact that you have to plug it into your PC or use bluetooth to update the firmware defeats the whole purpose of an air-gapped device. If the Jade had a microSD card slot it would possibly be the best BTC wallet available based on the price. Without it, you might as well use a Ledger or Trezor.
i followed one of these videos on how to use blockstream jade and put bitcoin on a nunchuck wallet single sig ,i even named it jade single, when i did it i could always see my wallet one day it asked for a pin,i never put a pin i did 24 words plus a password on jade,i didnt something and the whole wallets gone,not emptied just gone,so i rescan the qr code with jade also used 24 words the expub, my jade never asks for the extra password that i believe encrypts, anyone know how to get my jade to ask for the extra password, i just get an empty wallet with not the same name, i stamped this thing, also once you put it on nunchuk single sig wallet is it good to delete it from your phone also blue wallet should you leave it on your phone,it was qr the same way but still there ,im not sure what to do with it from here
Do you know what is so funny, when I was new to bitcoin back in 2021, when I first saw Ben, I thought he was some crypto bro. Lmao. Poor guy
thanks for the review, I was thinking if it at all could be possible for a company to have a list of possible seed words combinations for each device they are sending out and in time steal bitcoin? Is it all transparent in open source for a device like ColdCard or Trezor? Why are the devices generating these words and we cant make them up ourselves?
You can, and potentially should create your seed words in meat space. Use dice, a hat or coin flips. For large values, don't rely on the electronic random number generator.
There is some amount of trust here, though in theory, it is all open-source so coders could see if they were doing something, like 'phoning home' with the seed phrase, etc.
But, the device doesn't come with a seed phrase (or even a few) installed, it generates it randomly (and has a fairly sophisticated process for doing so, which includes things like reading the BT radio for 'noise' to add into the calculation).
If you're using it air-gapped like this, it would have to be embedding the seed phrase into the QR-codes it exchanges with the phone app when doing something like signing a transaction (which can be from another vendor, like BlueWallet, Nunchuk, etc. so they would have to conspire together to pull that off).
You can actually generate your own seed phrase and then just restore it to the Jade. There is debate about doing so within the community, as some argue you might screw up and create a less-random seed phrase. I've been going back and fourth about this myself. (Note: when I say generate, I mean using techniques like coin flips, dice, deck of cards, etc.... never, ever try to actually just pick words yourself from the list, as you're not a good random generator.)
For example, if the dice aren't high enough quality, the rolls might not be random enough, such that the seed phrase that results is easier to crack (lower entropy). I don't know how valid this concern actually is, vs 'in theory'.
Dear Ben,
I used combination Jade and Nunchuk. If l want to draw qr code on computer, and then print it on my home printer, could my wallet be jeopardized? Can someone, somehow get to my qr code, because I printed using internet?
My Jade wallet has additional word as a secure measure
You don't need the internet on to do that.
I have only wifi connection to the printer. Anyway, the main question remains. Could my wallet be jeopardized in that case? As long as I understood, even if I give my qr code to someone, it is useless without nunchuk and additonal security word?
@@MiljanRistanovic I don’t think it’ll be jeopardised, but I personally wouldn’t print via the internet just to be safe. Just plug in the cable, turn off the wifi connection, if you need to print them. Yes, the passphrase adds extra security, to access the wallet, they’ll need that. Just wondering, why not use the blockstream Green, instead of nunchuck? Also, you don’t use desktop wallet? As I believe nunchuck is mobile only.
The Green wallet doesn’t have air-gapped option. That’s how I understood (: Maybe they made that option now, I don’t know. I didn’t find well explaned steps for green wallet and Jade. If you would be so kind to send me one, I would be more then gratefull.
@@MiljanRistanovic LOL third time I’m replying now, yt thinks I’m spamming and warned me or they’ll block me from commenting. Weird. Quick answer- green do support air gap, it’s their official wallet. Many tutorial on yt.
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Thanks ! Love your tutorials. Also love JADE. Be interesting an advance use tutorial going into Redress PIN, BIP-85 and other interesting features.
Thx Ben -
After seeing the Maui and the Paradise fires. and the blue and light green materials that survived the intense heat that melted cars.metal etc,
Knowing now that laser light in colour spectrum of blue blue materials survived the D.E.W. attack so another back up for seed
would be blue fire proof, water proof material. Just a thought. Enjoy your info thank you.
We do not recommend the Blockstream Jade. None of the air gapped features worked for us: The bluetooth feature and the QR code feature. We reached out to support but they we not helpful.
actually not that hard to use...thanks a million for the tutorial
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1) Would it not be a security risk having to keep your seed always accessible/close by to use this wallet?
2). How do you create and print a seed QR in a safe manner?
Great video!
You can set it up once, then it's stored in your device. So you can hide/lock away your seed plate in a safe place for some future purpose.
0.89 BTC will get you 12 BTC
from my video
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@@MyVideoGives12BITCOIN you’re still being a silly sausage, regardless of how many times you repeat yourself.
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Seedsigner is badass. I love mine.
@@BTCSessions always a few steps ahead. Thanks for the vid
Jade is actually cheaper for those of us outside the USA. and no need to assemble
@@wrexxy49 Building a seedsigner is how you keep anonymous. No one will ever know you purchased a hardware signing device because you never purchased one. If you are willing to trade secrecy to save a few dollars, then by all means go add the Jade to your cart and give them your address.
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Why does the green wallet doesnt support airgap transactions? Its the official wallet!
In progress! We'll have some interesting functionality between Green/Jade QR when its released, should make for some very streamlined flows
@@bitcoin__help please add chart (like trezor and ledger has) in Green and make the font size bigger for the amount. It looks OK on phone, but on desktop it's too small.
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0.89 BTC will get you 12 BTC
from my video
Nope. This is stupid. the whole point of the wallet is to HOLD my keys on an encrypted device, and not on a crappy piece of paper with a QR code. Then I might as well just generate a paper wallet the old fashioned way.
I thought the same thing when I first tried out a build it yourself device called the Seed Signer. I've changed my mind.
You can stamp the QR in steel, or you can retain the seed on the device and still sign via QR.
I think the main purpose here is to give the option to have a device that can interact with various seeds in different ways. For example you could import one seed briefly to sign a certain transaction, then import another for a different session/wallet.
You can also import/interact with dispersed QR versions of a multisig and have a single device that comes along with you to execute signatures without having the keys in a single location.
I guess I would add that it's advisable to add a passphrase if you're using the QR method and the seed is in a place where you regularly access it.
@@BTCSessions But is the seed only stored on the QR, or can you sign transactions without it?
I prefer to backup my seed praises on encrypted USB flash drives rather than on paper/metal
@@simonmaersk in this instance it is only stored on the QR, but it is up to you. You could do both and have the QR for easy import on a new device later.
Some people prefer to have a device that is blank, keep their seeds separately, and only have them on something electronic when they sign.
@@BTCSessions That makes sense. I think I'm just a bit old fashioned and overly protectionistic of my private keys 😂 Thank you for your replies!
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