@@LeelosAdventure interesting video from what i can assume netero is way faster than adult gon it’s just a question of if he can actually harm adult gown if he can he might be able to beat gon but the issue is netero probably can’t tank a hit from netero. realy wish we could see prime netero in a fight tho so we could understand his full power the only thing i’d argue is that when netero hits pitou im pretty sure he wasn’t going all out to hurt pitou but rather simply separate pitou from the king
i agree 100% with your analysis although id argue true adult gon wouldn’t be a 100% victory i’d say it would be a 96-98 percent since there’s a possibility adult netero actually has the ap to harm meruem
i dont get your point about if meruem used ken against netero then gon would receive more damage when hit with the hands because gon can also use it and his aura alone would be more powerful than meruem's biology + aura combined based on pitou's statement
Meruem didn't predict 99% of Netero's combinations. He just got enough of a feel for Netero's "play style" to detect a slight bias, allowing him to predict one move.
Yea I’m not sure where he got the idea he had figured out literally netero’s entire arsenal. As far as I remember nothing like that is stated anywhere. In fact I rewatched the fight pretty recently and I’m pretty sure meruem says the amount of different attack combinations netero has may as well be infinite. “Attack combinations” is different from individual attacks I guess but I still think saying meruem had him completely figured out and could predict each and every one of his moves isn’t accurate. Using meruem’s intelligence feat in that fight to scale gon still works for me overall though so it’s not like the whole argument falls apart because of it.
No, he did. Netero's moves are based on 99 basic attacks in different combinations. Once Meruem had seen all the 99 hands, he could Intuit every possible combination.
@@Mihailo0that is 100% false. Adult Gon would defeat Prime, and old Netero. Prime Netero would lose to Meruem who is implied by Pitou to be weaker than Adult Gon. Not to mention he was shown to be even faster than Mureum, and one of his kicks did far more damage than a tail hit from Meruem that was intended to kill her. Not to mention that Kid Gon in the manga is stated to be stronger than Pitou, meaning he would defeat Netero before he got his statue back. As he stated Pitou was stronger than him before he started training again.
@LeelosAdventure We would be more likely to get it around 2030 imo. Though it would be great if we get a hunter x hunter movie based off the Chrollo vs Hisoka fight.
I feel like this Meruem Netero fight sometimes masks how on another level Netero was. No contracts and no risking your life bs. Just pure dedication to achieve the power he had. Netero was more than that battle iq and combat experience y'all are pointing out, that man was crazy as heck. There is no way I am seeing Adult gon winning.😂 And most of you are bringing up how much Adult Gon's aura was compared to Netero. Nen combat isn't about that, I remember Morel even pointed that out in one of the episodes. That's the beauty of hxh, you can't really know who will win a battle until they get to fight each other.😂😂
I should mention that netero has confirmed contracts in place. Specifically, his praying motion and gratitude is a contract and covenant. The covenant is that netero must pray before launching an attack, and the contract in exchange for this covenant, the contract amplifies the efficacy of his conjured nen object he manipulates. Netero’s affinity is a pure enhancer, and his hatsu is specifically conjuring a Buddha, then using manipulation to maneuver the conjured statue. Depending on the specifics of the nen buddha, it may be an additional covenant and contract to reinforce the durability of the conjured construct, as a conjured statue follows similar durability as to whatever the object is made of, or it’s a non-sentient nen beast which may have covenants in place to inherently augment its durability (as it is able to absorb the force of Meruem and also send meruem away with itself being damaged) or netero is using his own enhancement ability to enhance the durability of the conjured buddha/ buddha nen beast. This is seen as wing uses his enhancement to shroud a paper in aura to turn it into a rigid, sharp, and durable weapon. Lastly, the zero hand is an emission technique being utilized through a conduit of a conjured object/nen beast, which further reduces the aura efficiency of launching it from the conjured object/beast. For it to be his strongest attack despite having its efficacy reduced, May imply another covenant and contract (exchanging all remaining aura in his body to be converted into an emissive nen blast) All in all, netero shows the greatest mastery of nen principles with his hatsu, but also has at least one known covenant and contract (praying to initiate any attack)
No during the fight against Meruem, the king was holding back because he wanted to know his name. It's possible he could have killed Netero much sooner. And at the end of the day even after 100's to 1000's of hit's the king wasn't hurt much.
I would like to say that gon isn’t dumb. He is a combat genius that would take risk if it means winning We see this in greed island and during the hunter exams where he manages to take hisoka badge number. Mind you, hisoka is fully on guard here. We also see how much of a combat genius he was when he fights hisoka at heavens arena. It was to the point hisoka was contemplating if he should just go all out but decided not too to let gon grow even further. Then there’s his fight with knuckles
Gon could just nuke the battlefield with jajaken(rock). Gon could also just speed blitz netero because he managed to speed blitz pitou so badly, she didn’t even know he had walked out of the room. Even after her post mortem nen amp, which was arguably faster than Godspeed killua, he still speed blitz her.
That‘s exactly my thought process. Gon isn‘t consciously a genius, maybe, the way Meruem is, who seems to almost mathematically analyze his opponents to beat them. But Gon has perhaps the single best combat instincts in the show, to a point where his base form already surpassed some h x h high tiers.
Something to factor in is that version of Gon wasn't just "Gon as an Adult", It was Gon that made a nen vow to get "All of the power he would ever have". It's hard to say what that means exactly but if we go by it at its word that means he had a lifetime's worth of power condensed into that single fight, that is of course much different than simply transforming into an adult version of yourself. another thing to factor in is that nen is powered by conviction, if he were fighting Netero and made that nen vow, it wouldn't have been as strong since he didn't have the personal vendetta against him like he did with Peto at that moment.
He transformed to the point in his life where he would have the most nen, it’s not exactly possible to have “all the nen you’ll ever have” because there’s no designated sub interval of time, if you have “100k” nen one second and then 101k the next second for the entire day do you count that as 84000 seconds times ( 100k nen) or is the sub interval even shorter or is it longer ? There’s no way to define that and it just doesn’t make any sense
@@blurr1903 I didn't say nen, I said power, which is word for word what he said. If that doesn't make any sense take it up with whoever wrote that line, not me.
A few things: If you agree that Pitou's raw physical abilities are at the very least on par with Netero (most would say they are above Netero), Adult Gon is significantly faster than Meruem. Netero could at least react to Meruem. Gon completely blitzed Pitou, multiple times while Pitou was in the process of surprise attacking him. Also, Pitou reacted to Hyakushiki Kanon. Hyakushiki kanon's drawback is that it is a medium range ability at best. It likely doesn't even out range the blast radius of Adult Gon's Rock attack. Gon could just let off a rock randomly in the vicinity and it would likely kill or injure Netero without Gon even having to get close to him. Gon could also chuck boulders as he has been known to do. Infused with nen, Netero might not even be able to block them. Meruem was just playing around with Netero. He likely could have ended the fight any time he wanted, he just didn't because he wanted to figure out the attack pattern like a Gungi game and also get Netero to concede.
Gon is definitely getting his nen back I have a feeling they’re gonna take him to the dark continent and get his MONSTER status back to fully Achieve the power of DON THE GOD FREECS
@ that is true but in one of the endings for Hunter x Hunter that Togashi in an official source article revealed that at one of the potential ends for The series is that we go back to a GON freecs who is a very very old man possibly Hundreds of years old with his granddaughter talking about his adventures after she caught the giant fish of the Lake, that reveal that Togashi left us proves that Gon has at least achieved some form of Zodiac status to travel everywhere that Togashi could potentially write about in the series it’s sort of a Macguffin theory but at the same time there is a tent evidence that gone can potentially come back into the series through “exorcism” and a bunch of other things
There’s no telling who has more nen between Meruem and Gon. My interpretation of Pitou’s concern that Gon’s “fangs might even reach the king,” is not that he is now as powerful as the king. Rather, pitou understood what level of a condition Gon would have to set to get such instantaneous power up that forced his body into an adult form just to contain it. Someone that’s willing to do that, at that rate, may be able to pose a threat to the king. That’s why Pitou worded it like that. Not definitive, but MAY reach the king.
even if Pitou never said that, using what we're shown theres no reason to believe that adult gon isnt stronger than Meruem anyway. Gon is an enhancer so is naturally inclined to have a lot of aura, more srength and defence, etc. We literally see Meruem try to kill Pitou with his casual tail slap and it doesnt kill her.. my feeling is that Gon doing the same is almost guaranteed to send Pitou to the verge of death. Gon and Meruem if were both normal hunters would have vaastly different strengths and fighting styles but because Meruem for the most part has no real nen abilities his feats are measured by his physical strength and aura quantity which seem to be completely outclassed by gon as hes a natural enhancer. If Meruem spent his time developing nen instead of playing Gungi the King would be in a league of his own in terms of combat. He just never saw the need because he took it for granted no one would be stronger than him... Which was accurate if not for Gon showing up. Do you honestly believe that with all of Gons potential, with his insane natural aura reserves with a lifetime of training that his aura and strength (2 things which are Gons best traits) cant match up with an emitter? If thats the case he might as well give up. Bruh, Uvogin will be rolling in his grave. Seeing how sick and Strong Gon became only to see people doubting his strength is crazy. We see Uvo with like 1% of Adult gons strength blow a hole through peoples heads by spitting out a bit of bone... Gon could sneeze wrong to kill Netero.
@@jordanious7711 Meruem was less than 1 day old when he tried to kill pitou iirc. He gets stronger every day the more he eats. He is stronger when he fought Netero than he was at that time. He was 40 DAYS old and he fodderized Netero. Mereum’s physiology alone puts him above Netero. He did not use any nen or hatsu. Just one flash of his aura he was able to find the wolf ant and appear before him. Almost as if he teleported. Meruem had more aura than Gon. If you give Gon a lifetime of training, you would have to assume that the king would be alive, growing stronger with everything that he consumes as well. This point is moot. Just because you’re an enhancer doesn’t mean you just automatically have more aura. Komugi was an enhancer as well.
@@kevingbergiste7372 Gon could throw rocks at Netero an they'd be instant kill shots if any of them hit. Gon could do almost anything and it'd have the power of god behind it. If Meruem wanted to kill Netero immediately HE COULD HAVE DONE IT EASILY but he chose not to because he wanted to talk, not fight.. "Just because you’re an enhancer doesn’t mean you just automatically have more aura. Komugi was an enhancer as well." we arent talking about a random enhancer, we're talking about Gon... Gon, who is for all intent and purpose is just a dumbed down kid version of Uvogin. I think amplifying Uvo's ability to give perspective to adult gon nis the easiest way to see Gons actual strength. his fight with Pitou is so one sided that we cant actually properly grasp Gons strength properly.. Gon was so strong that he literally just needed to kick Pitou to win, we learn nothing from that other than he's way stronger than Pitou.
@jordanious7711 your talking facts, you can't gauge someone strength if they are that much powerfull than you, you can just feel and compare that feeling, pitou was destroyed by pitou, you can't take anything she said for granted, bc it was never possible for her to understand gon strength at that moment, she could only compare it to the next thing that gave her That feelings, Meruem. You guys need to stop just reading and actually put yourself on the character shoes.
I disagree about Netero not being able to block Gon's attacks. His statue was never damage by Meruem, so it's probable that it could tank Gon's attacks too. All he needs to deal with ranged attacks is block with his statue.
It's a bad idea to use the statue to just block though, because with Meruem's speed (and clearly Gon's too), he doesn't have the time to unleash another hand when he's already doing one, if he didn't punch them back far away from him. If he blocks instead of attacking, he's dead. That's why we never see him straight up block in the entire fight once Meruem starts fighting back. He either throws him away or restrict his movement by ensnaring him to get enough time to throw him away. So the issue becomes: If the attack comes from a different place than Gon (Paper + timed dash attack on the side), what can Netero do? It's harder to throw away two things coming at different angle at the same time, and blocking is not an option. And even if he has options to attack in two specific directions, Gon merely need to check all those options one by one until he finds a duo of angles not covered, it's impossible to cover all combinations of two angles with only a hundred hands. Because if Netero doesn't have time to unleash the next one, then his infinite combinations revert back to a hundred options which Gon while not a genius is perfectly capable of internalising. Meruem was an emitter and he would have had a much easier time in this fight if he had an emission attack.
@@Arkayjiya Bro neteros movements are so fast its almost undodgeable, meruem is the only one WHO could discern the pattern of the attacks but anyone else would never be able to dodge
I had a debate about this exact subject with my friend a few years ago and i had nearly the exact same points that you yourself had but i ended my argument with. Pito was no longer Gon's enemy the moment he transformed, to pito Gon was basically teleporting, the speed gap was so massive that when gon dodged pitos attack he stood to the side menacingly staring at Pito before blowing out Pitos back, he wasn't in pearl at any point no bead of sweat just a stone face look of disappointment and malice. Even after Pito's post nen activated with up to a 10× multiplier Gon immediately put that corpse in the dirt like Pito was nothing more than a wet rag. We never got to see adult Gon go all out because Pito wasnt capable of bringing out his full power and that's evident with how 1 sided the fight was, it reminds me of a saying i heard recently. Two student's get their test scores, 1's got 99/100 questions right the other got all 100 right, the 99 student goes to the 100 studen saying we basically got the same score and the 100 student says no we're not the same, you got 99 right because that was all you could get, i got 100 because that was all their was to get.
I think you under estimate Gon's battle iq tbh, he was able to outsmart Netero as a child in their little game of ball. Netero has a few key weaknesses that Gon in his adult form can manipulate: 1. Netero has a limited range on his guanine bodhisattva, we don't see it expressed since Meruem didn't have to dodge them and the fight took place in an enclosed dome essentially. Since Gon was in a higher physical state than Pitou who could get knocked out of bodhisattva's range, land and kick at high speed to launch means Gon has that insane kind of mobility. We see him casually side step Pitou meaning his sense of reflex in reading attacks would be around Mereums level. This means alongside things like hulk jumping, he could very well use his emitter ability to launch himself at high speeds. 2. Netero's guanine bodhisattva has to be reset each time he moves, and he needs a clear line of sight to be able to hit his opponents, for example he could smash the ground if an enemy retreats but he won't specifically know where they are. This means Gon has the timing and reflexes of Meruem, the mobility to force Netero to reset or to throw enough debris at him to keep him constantly going. Netero is older and while he has stamina Gon destroying the entire area forcing Netero to constatnly reset would give Gon openings. 3. Gon has access to sound, not even counting the Uvo scream, Gon is very well capable of clapping his hands together to create shockwaves and I am extremely sure Gon would attempt something like that if he had the power of his adult form. I don't think Gon would necessarily win, but he has so much in his toolbelt in adult form, especially if were just considering him in his prime with no emotional damage going on.
I always theorized that they would play chess. Thousand Hands vs Rock Paper Scissors. Netero would be playing defense guessing which emitter Gon would use. I could see Netero defending for rock and Gon throwing scissors to cut down his prayer hands. Then once Netero prepares to defend against scissors Gon squashes him with paper from both sides 🫸🫷 symbolizing his own kind of prayer hands.
thats just weak. Let it be clear, Netero is the pinnacle of of nen mastery, and all around trolling. Something that simple wouldn't even come close to defeat him. He is not an imbecile, he is a clear genious in combat, and NEVER underestimates his opponent. WIth bodhisattva out, nobody can touch him. The absolute strongest being in the verse had to ALSO being the smartest/quickest to defeat him. Without his insane processing power, Meruem wouldn't been able to hurt him, which means anything below that combination of intelligence, strength and speed, stands zero chance against Netero.
buddy fought an emitter who wasn’t emitting 😂 he fought an opponent who didn’t even want to fight. he fought an opponent who had to be handicapped, could’ve taken his head so much sooner. he also did underestimate the king during their fight lol
@@wooskys8685 yeah, he underestimated him so much that he openly stated he was the underdog, and went the extra mile to get a dead man's switch in his fkng hearth. Lowballing Meruem so much there...
Great vido but i got some gripes. The scaling at 15:35 was weird. If Gon is = or >= to Meruem and meruem couldn't break the buddha, why wouldn't Netero just slap away paper? as its just relative to his normal attacks that already = Meruem. To push it even further he wouldn't get to charge paper or rock. Netero Buddha is far far faster than meruem, so far faster than Gon he'd one shot him as he has no nen defense when charging.
Only netero's hand movement is far faster than mereum. And I don't recall it being stated gon had no nen defense when charging the principles of nen would stand to reason the rest of his body would be vulnerable but not totally defenseless. Paper is an emitted attack so he can charge from a far enough distance is what I think.
Gon wins, he slams Pitou while Netero is iffy about killing Pitou. Also Pitou states him as big danger to King while forgeting about this old men that slapped her before.
Surprised you didn’t mention Gon’s speed likely being much faster than Netero’s praying movements considering Pitou’s ability to see (not react to) Netero’s hand movements and not being able to even see Gon move. This fight would literally just be Gon speed blitzing Netero and killing him in one hit.
Who said she couldnt see gon's movement? She could see him move but he was just much faster than her. If meruem cannot react to Netero's prayer then adult gon definitely isn't reacting or speed blitzing netero.
@@GODSPEE. Ah you're talking about when he first transformed, I was referring to when they went outside. I don't think that's enough evidence to suggest that Gon is faster than Netero's hand movements especially if Meruem's speed was inferior to Netero's hatsu.
@@cheeseburgerfreddy6350 idk, you are already running under the assumption that Gon is slower than Meruem and thus that makes you think there is no way Gon can react to Netero’s praying movements. Adult Gon isn’t on screen for that long so I’ll just use whatever feats he does end up displaying. The only contra-positive to Gon being slower than what I said is that the feat is technically an outlier, that being said, I don’t remember Pitou reacting to any of Gon’s attacks, but that is mainly because she was being ragdolled around the entire time they fought so she didn’t really have a chance to react.
@@GODSPEE. I never said adult Gon was slower than Meruem, reread my comment I said if Meruem couldn't do it then I don't see Gon doing it as they're relative to one another in terms of their aura or raw power. If Meruem and Gon are physically relative then Gon to me simply isn't reacting to Netero's Buddha hatsu.
Love the vid, I'll comment again once I've finished it/read the other comments. For now though, I'd love to see few vids about ranking princes in the Succession War. Or even non-prince characters introduced during that arc
This shouldn't even be a discussion at all. Pitou wasn't afraid of netero getting to the king. Was terrified when Gon turned into an adult. Plus on how they beat the ants. Netero needed a nuke. Gon was the nuke.
Ummm are u sure about that? cause Pitou was very afraid of Netero going to the king after she was slapped away that she broke the sound barrier jumping to the Kings defence.
Dude, do you think we are talking Naruto? Freaking IQ and battle experience are a thing in HxH. Meruem had to push his mind to it's limit to touch Netero once after getting smacked thousands of times...and we know Meruem's level of IQ was far beyond that of any human. Now Gon doesn't have Meruem's IQ or Netero's experience and tactics. Gon ain't sniffing Netero.
@@Tomiwa101 don't forget, meruem had a massive handicap while fighting netero. he wasn't trying to kill him, rather he was trying to break his will. hence the scene where meruem manages to "thread the needle".
All depends on the ability to hold his ground. If Gon could take a hit without knockback, Netero loses hands down. Gon could just barge through the barrage. If Gon gets knocked back, Netero just has to play keep away. Gon does have some range and speed, but Netero has some insane speed and range too. If I had to choose one, would say Netero wins, because he was able to block and bat away Chinera King, which implies it isnt just about how hard it is hitting with Nen, but also a transference of physical momentum.
@@eastsidepb8139goku, luffy, naruto, where they are all “ dumb “ but when it really counts they get what they need to done and have insane battle iq. hate that people bring up “ Gon isn’t smart so he loses “ like you guys have watched the entire series with your eyes closed. he’s also outsmarted Netero already before
The problem everyone seems to forget with adult Gon is that while he may have had enough speed and power to pose a threat to the king(in Pitou eyes at least) at the end of the day he did not have the raw physical durability. This is show that he could easily dodge Pitou but when dead Pitou got him with a sneak attack she managed to take off his arm. I guarantee you Pitou couldn’t do that to the king even if the king let her just cause his genes and armor are that strong.
Gon let Pitou slice his arm off, because he felt responsible for Pitou taking Kites arm in their first meet up. If anything, that just highlights how insane Gon is 👀👀.
I completely disagree with this. Gons Nen defence was down while Pitou was post mortem boosted. Caught off guard. Gon's defence should be relative to Meruem’s having relative Nen pool in general. It might even exceed his defence being an enhancer. At the end of the day you can only dish out so much you can also take. That is basic physics, newtons third law. If his durability was so much beneath Pitous his body would not hold up to his own punching power at all
@@Mugen_YTube You can't say that with certainty because Pitou never fought Mereum. The only thing we do know is that, he's the strongest royal guard, whose strength was also acknowledged by the King of ants. Mereum would definitely beat him in a fight bt the King would also take damage. He took damage against an old Netero who's weaker than Pitou 🤷♂️
Can we stop calling him "adult gon" that's not how he will look as an adult that's death sacrificial full potential Gon, that's how he will look if he trained EVERYDAY for decades (so if he did what netero did but for way more years basically) Now let's imagine if netero was full of hatred and was pushed to his absolute mental limites and wanted to use post mortem nen too...would that even be a debate? Of course not he would erase Gon from existence. Let's stop comparing the incomparable you can't use someone that wanted to use himself and his potential as a living sacrifice vs a normal human, either use both of their normal forms against each other or use both of their post mortem nen forms against each other.
Gon transformation entails him getting all the power he'll ever have so pretty much bringing him to his prime if netero did it he would just become young again he would still lose also gon doesn't have post mortem nen he never died
People forget that Gon is an enhancer whilst Meruem is an emitter. - Considering that Gon's aura alone had Pitou thinking he was a threat to the King, its crazy to think he would be 20% more proficient at amping his body than Meruem. Considering this, Gon might actually be out right physically more dominant than Meruem.
No because the entire premise you guys are going with is based on the wrong assumption that Pitou was saying Gon is Meruem level She said he's a threat and can harm hit. Same statements were made about Netero and Zeno and we saw how that went
@ your point is disgustingly disingenuous. Netero is substantially stronger than Zeno and yet his hit barely scratched Pitou. Adult Gon killed her in literal seconds with one rock. We literally see the King hit Pitou with his tail and he states he was aiming to take off her head yet she survived it.m and he was impressed. Gon is substantially stronger than Pitou who can shrug off Netero’s attack with it sending her back being the only problem.
@@CameronkAK Netero's hit was a super fast casual slap which he can throw an unlimited amount of at Pitou if he wishes to. Rock is Gon's strongest attack which requires multiple seconds to land and consumes 1/5th of his aura. It isn't comparable in the slightest. Besides my point was to show that Pitou over-reacted even with characters who are nowhere near Meruem in reality so whatever she said/felt regarding Adult Gon does not prove he is actually on par with Meruem at anything Yes Meruem was trying to kill Pitou with a very casual tail blow that he usdd on squadron leaders earlier... still not comparable to Gon going all out on her with KO attacks come on now.
@@maradoyeho5558 i’ll just come in and say this, while i agree Gon isn’t stronger than Meruem those no reason to believe rock would consume 1/5th of his aura in his adult form. he’d have way more Nen as an adult than as a child
@ uh what? Of course he'd have way more aura hence why his rock is so strong in adult form. Using 1/5th of your aura isn't an anti feat. It means his output is very impressive because being able to pull out 1/5th of your total aura isn't easy as Knuckle explained.
Does gon possess enough raw power to damage Netero? Yes. Could Gon even get to Netero? No. He would have to be faster than Meruem, who survived THOUSANDS of attacks from Netero to figure out the MILLIONS of possible attack combinations in order to rip him apart. We saw nothing that shows that he’s that fast, nor durable, nor that calculating. Unless Gon just blows up the entire field with just one blow, he can’t touch Netero. And that blowing up the field thing is IF Netero lets him. Netero’s attacks are too FAST.
@@kevingbergiste7372 That seems to be the big point of contention in the comments. People think that Gon is significantly faster than Muruem for some reason. Gon’s only chance of beating old Netero is speed blitzing him at the start of the fight before he uses his Hatsu, but we know Netero can immediately conjure it in split second so who knows.
@@kevingbergiste7372 I don‘t get why people believe, Gon‘s fight against Netero would be the same as Meruems. Meruem fought Netero by tanking every hit, because he COULD. Gon has already displayed multiple range combat feats - why wouldn‘t he use one of those. Isn‘t it a continuous point of emphasis for Togashi, that no two matchups are the same? You seem to assume that Gon is just a less durable and possibly slower version of Meruem, but did it occur to you, that he is an entirely different character, that might just find his own personal style to fight a difficult opponent? Also, we have seen so little of Gon in that form, we basically know nothing about him other than him vastly outscaling Pitou, who comfortably outscales Netero. So there is still a good chance, that Gon could, just outspeed/outlast Netero, especially since he wouldn‘t have to worry about not killing him, which Meruem considered a huge handicap, that probably prolonged the fight quite a bit.
@@kojirod.dragon3724he has other attacks as well and the video kinda talked about it, but not much and I think it’s gons easiest way to win. Using a ranged attack would cause netero to retreat and would open him up to gons beat down. Even if he didn’t get it that time i believe he could spam ranged attacks until gon can get close enough where he has a guaranteed hit.
@@eliasandradeschindler9402 pitou outscales neteto in terms of her durability but she is not fast enough to to get to Netero between his attacks. He may not be able to damage pitou, but for pitou to get to him, she would have to dodge millions of attack combinations. Gon not being as fast as Meruem is a huge deal in this fight because that’s the only way you could even damage netero. Gon has ranged attacks but he has to charge them while dodging thousands of attacks per minute from Netero at different combinations. And yes. Gon is less durable than Meruem. Meruem was tanking Netero with no defensive nen. While pitou was able to slice Gon’s arm off.
@@kojirod.dragon3724 agreed. iirc Meruem used his aura so find the wolf ant and appeared before him instantaneously as if he teleported. Gon is not as fast as that.
Prime vs Prime can’t even be a discussion. We have no idea how strong Gon would’ve actually been with 30 extra years of development and probably making new techniques. We also don’t know how strong Net really was at his peak. He says he’s only half but we don’t know.
Isnt Rock already a conditional Nen ability? He has to hold a specific pose and make himself vulnerable while he charges it. Not as many conditions as Zero Hand, but still
Im not sure how it is different in the manga, but in the anime, gon when he went adult seemed to mostly be grieving than actually wanting to kill pitou. As shown at the end, he couldve killed her way earlier, but he wanted her to feel pain, he held back to not kill them too quickly
I feel like you're under estimating the body's natural instinct to adapt. Gon's adult for is a calm rage meaning he isn't rationally thinking. After a couple minutes gon should understand netero's patterns
you think prime netero even beats meruem? 😂😂😂😂 i don’t understand how people can watch tbe same show as me and come up with such things 😂😂😂 the comprehension on yall
Gon is not only faster than Meruem but he is relative to or faster than Netero's praying, which was described as the only move that "greatly surpassed" Meruem. Gon was able to speed blitz Pitou so bad the only indication they had of where Gon went was an open door. Then again when he kicked them in the manga we have no proof that they even perceived him moving. Pitous should be even more locked in then when they could at least see faint afterimages of Netero. So unironically Gon's combat speed probably surpasses Netero's praying speed, which means Netero stands 0 chance of hitting him. I used to be on Netero's side of this argument, but between the gargantuan power differential, the relative speed if you are downplaying Gon, and the narrative implication of Netero being a toddler while Gon is a full on threat to Meruem really makes this not a question for me.
I think your adult Gon hypothetical ap is actually a low ball. I think his ap could be far above nuke level. Meruem didn’t even die from a nuke, nd he has the ap to damage himself. His ap was already comparable to a nuke. Then add on things like Ko that are able to multiply your power up to 10x, then add on conditions to hatsu which continue to multiply your power. He could get from mountain-island levels of power if not more.
Gon vs Netero would go in a completly diferent way, I can't see Gon going in such a direct way to atack Netero, he would just throw stuff at him, use punches to create a smoke screen, hide and come from behind and other tactics that would allow him to beat Netero low to mid diff with the insane stats gap
I respect the analysis. I personally think Gon would win because dude is fast as f**k displayed when blitzing pitou. He also has plot and main character amor and at the end of the day Netero is dead and gon lived and was the only one to kill a royal guard plus no diff.
People seem to forget how durable ants are without nen, the rabbit guy was a bit stronger than gon and killua and he didn't have nen, if an ant base stat is comparable to someone with nen then if you stack the ant with the same amount of nen as the human, would the ant be stronger or they would be equal, in otherworlds adult gon without nen is not equal to the king without nen. I hope this explains why they would not be equal in durability. also gon was equal to the king in nen not base physical stats
Before watching the video, im going to go with Gon on this. Adult Gon has only primed to an age where he has just enough nen to overpower Pitou (while also enough to match Meruem) , while even prime Netero wouldnt be able to defeat Meruem After watching the video, all of my questions and hypotheticals were answered
How did you make a 20 minute video about Adult Gon vs Netero, without once talking about Gon's speed? Netero's strategy is only possible due to him being faster than his opponent. Gon was able to frame freeze Pitou in place, similar to how Netero did. If his speed is relative to Netero's prayer movement, then the strategy falls into shambles
I don’t think it’s implied that Netero hit Pitou as hard as possible just because he want to separate them. Pitou would’ve been flying still if it wasn’t for Dr. Blythe which is a physics breaking ability
I disagree with the fact that wanting to push someone as far away as possible is the same as punching as hard as you can. If you want to push someone out of the way of a speeding train, you don't punch them. You push them. A push does not damage, but will send them flying way longer than any punch will. Netero wanted to push Pito, not punch.
When will you people learn to not treat HxH likes its dbz, powerscaling in general is some dumb shit but powerscalig HxH is even dumber especially when you consider the fact that Togashi created nen to avoid the endless nonsense power creep bs that happens in most shounen
So we have to use the ants to guage them. Would Gon's reaction time let him dodge the strikes from the 100 type Guanyin Bodhisattva? Pitou could not react to Gon's speed and Gon's kick dealt heavy physical damage to Pitou, while Netero's Bodhisattva strike did Zero damage to Pitou. Thousands of Bodhisattva strikes only left a few scratches on the Ant King. So my answer is, it depends on whether Gon is fast enough to evade Bodhisattva. If Gon can dodge it then he can win. Physically neither Gon nor Netero are very durable. God easily lost an arm to Pitou and might have died if not for Killua. The ant King was more or less toying with Netero. How many Bodhisattva hits can Gon take? Can Netero survive Gon's attacks. Heck no! It's doesn't really matter. They both would lose to the Ant King because they're only human.
@GuywithoutamustacheBru But Pitou DID damage him nonetheless. This is a cue to assess his durability, and it doesn't appear to be spectacular. I'd like to side with Netero due to the fact that Gon doesn't have the Ant's time compression perception or Meruem's intelligence and won't be able to see Netero's strikes coming.
Gon can just punch through Bodhisattva's hands with Rock or Nuke him with Paper. Adult Gon is also faster than Netero, Pitou can't even see Gon move. While Pitou can still see Netero's movement, but was unable to react because she was in mid air at that time. Gon's attacks are arguably more potent compared to what were showcased by Meruem during the Netero fight, because Gon's Rock is an actual combat Hatsu with more Nen. Meruem is not trying to kill Netero.
I agree with the outcome of the fight but to be fair, Gon could definitely develop his Battle IQ throughout the fight with Netero (i mean like he doesn't need to be as smart as Meruem to have that much biq)
Spoilers Ahead. I think Adult Gon was not Gon power!!! After I read manga, I realized that when I saw Gon's hand shrinking after fighting with Pitou, his hand look quite similar with one of five the calamity, "PAP" victims. In translation when it describe "PAP" it said " A beast that keeps people as pets: PAP. A trade of between life and 'pleasure'". At the end of the fight I saw that after Gon's hand were broken, he's smiling instead of hurting...is it because of "pleasure" for killing Pitou? And the most interesting facts is Gon's hair also going up like the feeler of "PAP". In the Hospital his head weren't shown which become more suspicious. Plus the aura he emitted is black before he transformed into adult which is quite rare. The only black aura that were shown to us is later on when Nanika heal Gon. And yes, Nanika is also from Dark Continent.
Meruem who has read all the books in the world would know enough of psychology, martial arts etc to beat his Post-Rose self, most of OPM mid dragons etc.
Bruh... how do you manage to stretch this out 20 minutes? Pitou just has superior biology over Netero, but he clears her regardless. Her technique is useless and she lacks the intellect to find attack opportunities against the Bodhisattva. Pitou says in her fight against Gon that he is equal if not superior to Meruem. So it goes like this: Pitou < Netero < Meruem
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@@LeelosAdventure interesting video from what i can assume netero is way faster than adult gon it’s just a question of if he can actually harm adult gown if he can he might be able to beat gon but the issue is netero probably can’t tank a hit from netero. realy wish we could see prime netero in a fight tho so we could understand his full power
the only thing i’d argue is that when netero hits pitou im pretty sure he wasn’t going all out to hurt pitou but rather simply separate pitou from the king
i agree 100% with your analysis although id argue true adult gon wouldn’t be a 100% victory i’d say it would be a 96-98 percent since there’s a possibility adult netero actually has the ap to harm meruem
i dont get your point about if meruem used ken against netero then gon would receive more damage when hit with the hands because gon can also use it and his aura alone would be more powerful than meruem's biology + aura combined based on pitou's statement
@ essentially meruem needed his max defense to tank hits gons max defense was relative to base meruem defense
Meruem didn't predict 99% of Netero's combinations. He just got enough of a feel for Netero's "play style" to detect a slight bias, allowing him to predict one move.
Meruem also wasn’t trying to kill netero he was moving extremely fast learning neteros attacks while going for non lethal damage
Yea I’m not sure where he got the idea he had figured out literally netero’s entire arsenal. As far as I remember nothing like that is stated anywhere. In fact I rewatched the fight pretty recently and I’m pretty sure meruem says the amount of different attack combinations netero has may as well be infinite. “Attack combinations” is different from individual attacks I guess but I still think saying meruem had him completely figured out and could predict each and every one of his moves isn’t accurate. Using meruem’s intelligence feat in that fight to scale gon still works for me overall though so it’s not like the whole argument falls apart because of it.
No, he did.
Netero's moves are based on 99 basic attacks in different combinations. Once Meruem had seen all the 99 hands, he could Intuit every possible combination.
netero is a flow chart god with no real neutral.
@@thermophile1695 netero has thousands of different combinations it took meruem hours to take off neteros arm and leg
Bro I’m being honest this one of the best hxh scales Ive seen it’s super sound and seems very accurate to the story 🔥
Thanks bro I appreciate that a lot
@@LeelosAdventure can you make a video on bleach
no
@@huytran2126yes
*Gon vs netero is obvious*
proceeds too explain why it isnt obv in the slightest
@@SinoDaG-e9e any version of Netero slams. obvious.
@@Mihailo0that is 100% false. Adult Gon would defeat Prime, and old Netero. Prime Netero would lose to Meruem who is implied by Pitou to be weaker than Adult Gon. Not to mention he was shown to be even faster than Mureum, and one of his kicks did far more damage than a tail hit from Meruem that was intended to kill her. Not to mention that Kid Gon in the manga is stated to be stronger than Pitou, meaning he would defeat Netero before he got his statue back. As he stated Pitou was stronger than him before he started training again.
@@groudonfanatic9146 no😂 thats a terrible argument. Netero slams
@@groudonfanatic9146 BS ... Netero destroys Adult Gon ...
@@Mihailo0 what was wrong with his argument?
The Uvo disrespect wasn’t needed, most underrated character in the series character wise and power wise.
Fact
Spitting straight facts! He just had an incredibly terrible match up against Kurapika!
Uvo is my favorite character too 💀
Bro looked like he almost broke the chains with just raw nenless muscle I wish we got more of him he was fun 😭
Real, he'd dogwalk 90% of the verse if not for Kurapika being a hardcounter
Forget the scaling, netero looks so stoned in the thumbnail 😂
8:41 “But Gon has so much Aura” sounds like tiktok edit audio 😂
@@xomiah lol
You're the reason why the HxH flame in my heart doesn't die
@noelhill7766 bro what are you talking about. Togashi is cooking chapter after chapter. At this pace a sequel anime is on the table..
@@Apotheosis1113Hunter x Hunter 2025 anime would go absolutely crazy
@LeelosAdventure We would be more likely to get it around 2030 imo. Though it would be great if we get a hunter x hunter movie based off the Chrollo vs Hisoka fight.
Finna watch Hunter x Hunter sequel on one monitor and be playing GTA 9 on the other…
I feel like this Meruem Netero fight sometimes masks how on another level Netero was. No contracts and no risking your life bs. Just pure dedication to achieve the power he had. Netero was more than that battle iq and combat experience y'all are pointing out, that man was crazy as heck. There is no way I am seeing Adult gon winning.😂
And most of you are bringing up how much Adult Gon's aura was compared to Netero. Nen combat isn't about that, I remember Morel even pointed that out in one of the episodes. That's the beauty of hxh, you can't really know who will win a battle until they get to fight each other.😂😂
I should mention that netero has confirmed contracts in place.
Specifically, his praying motion and gratitude is a contract and covenant. The covenant is that netero must pray before launching an attack, and the contract in exchange for this covenant, the contract amplifies the efficacy of his conjured nen object he manipulates.
Netero’s affinity is a pure enhancer, and his hatsu is specifically conjuring a Buddha, then using manipulation to maneuver the conjured statue. Depending on the specifics of the nen buddha, it may be an additional covenant and contract to reinforce the durability of the conjured construct, as a conjured statue follows similar durability as to whatever the object is made of, or it’s a non-sentient nen beast which may have covenants in place to inherently augment its durability (as it is able to absorb the force of Meruem and also send meruem away with itself being damaged) or netero is using his own enhancement ability to enhance the durability of the conjured buddha/ buddha nen beast. This is seen as wing uses his enhancement to shroud a paper in aura to turn it into a rigid, sharp, and durable weapon.
Lastly, the zero hand is an emission technique being utilized through a conduit of a conjured object/nen beast, which further reduces the aura efficiency of launching it from the conjured object/beast. For it to be his strongest attack despite having its efficacy reduced, May imply another covenant and contract (exchanging all remaining aura in his body to be converted into an emissive nen blast)
All in all, netero shows the greatest mastery of nen principles with his hatsu, but also has at least one known covenant and contract (praying to initiate any attack)
No during the fight against Meruem, the king was holding back because he wanted to know his name. It's possible he could have killed Netero much sooner. And at the end of the day even after 100's to 1000's of hit's the king wasn't hurt much.
@@CloudTribe I actually agree on this, Meruem had tons of reasons not to kill Netero while Netero only wanted to kill Meruem
Neteros slap sent pitou flying without a scratch gon punched pitou and sent him flying with a shattered face and killed him in 1 hit
dude the way you explain things so detailed is phenomenal. best hxh scaler I know
Thanks dude I appreciate that a lot
I would like to say that gon isn’t dumb. He is a combat genius that would take risk if it means winning
We see this in greed island and during the hunter exams where he manages to take hisoka badge number. Mind you, hisoka is fully on guard here.
We also see how much of a combat genius he was when he fights hisoka at heavens arena. It was to the point hisoka was contemplating if he should just go all out but decided not too to let gon grow even further.
Then there’s his fight with knuckles
Gon could just nuke the battlefield with jajaken(rock).
Gon could also just speed blitz netero because he managed to speed blitz pitou so badly, she didn’t even know he had walked out of the room.
Even after her post mortem nen amp, which was arguably faster than Godspeed killua, he still speed blitz her.
That‘s exactly my thought process. Gon isn‘t consciously a genius, maybe, the way Meruem is, who seems to almost mathematically analyze his opponents to beat them. But Gon has perhaps the single best combat instincts in the show, to a point where his base form already surpassed some h x h high tiers.
@Zeno1781 Also Pitou could clearly see Netero moving during his prayer and summoning the Buddha hand. She didn't even see Gon move.
Something to factor in is that version of Gon wasn't just "Gon as an Adult", It was Gon that made a nen vow to get "All of the power he would ever have". It's hard to say what that means exactly but if we go by it at its word that means he had a lifetime's worth of power condensed into that single fight, that is of course much different than simply transforming into an adult version of yourself. another thing to factor in is that nen is powered by conviction, if he were fighting Netero and made that nen vow, it wouldn't have been as strong since he didn't have the personal vendetta against him like he did with Peto at that moment.
He transformed to the point in his life where he would have the most nen, it’s not exactly possible to have “all the nen you’ll ever have” because there’s no designated sub interval of time, if you have “100k” nen one second and then 101k the next second for the entire day do you count that as 84000 seconds times ( 100k nen) or is the sub interval even shorter or is it longer ? There’s no way to define that and it just doesn’t make any sense
@@blurr1903 I didn't say nen, I said power, which is word for word what he said. If that doesn't make any sense take it up with whoever wrote that line, not me.
A few things:
If you agree that Pitou's raw physical abilities are at the very least on par with Netero (most would say they are above Netero), Adult Gon is significantly faster than Meruem. Netero could at least react to Meruem. Gon completely blitzed Pitou, multiple times while Pitou was in the process of surprise attacking him. Also, Pitou reacted to Hyakushiki Kanon.
Hyakushiki kanon's drawback is that it is a medium range ability at best. It likely doesn't even out range the blast radius of Adult Gon's Rock attack. Gon could just let off a rock randomly in the vicinity and it would likely kill or injure Netero without Gon even having to get close to him. Gon could also chuck boulders as he has been known to do. Infused with nen, Netero might not even be able to block them.
Meruem was just playing around with Netero. He likely could have ended the fight any time he wanted, he just didn't because he wanted to figure out the attack pattern like a Gungi game and also get Netero to concede.
Gon is definitely getting his nen back I have a feeling they’re gonna take him to the dark continent and get his MONSTER status back to fully
Achieve the power of DON THE GOD FREECS
@@dereklouther9372 the boat for the dark continent is already left
@ that is true but in one of the endings for Hunter x Hunter that Togashi in an official source article revealed that at one of the potential ends for The series is that we go back to a GON freecs who is a very very old man possibly Hundreds of years old with his granddaughter talking about his adventures after she caught the giant fish of the Lake, that reveal that Togashi left us proves that Gon has at least achieved some form of Zodiac status to travel everywhere that Togashi could potentially write about in the series it’s sort of a Macguffin theory but at the same time there is a tent evidence that gone can potentially come back into the series through “exorcism” and a bunch of other things
There’s no telling who has more nen between Meruem and Gon. My interpretation of Pitou’s concern that Gon’s “fangs might even reach the king,” is not that he is now as powerful as the king. Rather, pitou understood what level of a condition Gon would have to set to get such instantaneous power up that forced his body into an adult form just to contain it. Someone that’s willing to do that, at that rate, may be able to pose a threat to the king. That’s why Pitou worded it like that. Not definitive, but MAY reach the king.
It could honestly just mean, that both are beyond Pitou, where she might just not be able to accurately gauge their power.
even if Pitou never said that, using what we're shown theres no reason to believe that adult gon isnt stronger than Meruem anyway. Gon is an enhancer so is naturally inclined to have a lot of aura, more srength and defence, etc. We literally see Meruem try to kill Pitou with his casual tail slap and it doesnt kill her.. my feeling is that Gon doing the same is almost guaranteed to send Pitou to the verge of death. Gon and Meruem if were both normal hunters would have vaastly different strengths and fighting styles but because Meruem for the most part has no real nen abilities his feats are measured by his physical strength and aura quantity which seem to be completely outclassed by gon as hes a natural enhancer.
If Meruem spent his time developing nen instead of playing Gungi the King would be in a league of his own in terms of combat. He just never saw the need because he took it for granted no one would be stronger than him... Which was accurate if not for Gon showing up.
Do you honestly believe that with all of Gons potential, with his insane natural aura reserves with a lifetime of training that his aura and strength (2 things which are Gons best traits) cant match up with an emitter? If thats the case he might as well give up. Bruh, Uvogin will be rolling in his grave. Seeing how sick and Strong Gon became only to see people doubting his strength is crazy. We see Uvo with like 1% of Adult gons strength blow a hole through peoples heads by spitting out a bit of bone... Gon could sneeze wrong to kill Netero.
@@jordanious7711 Meruem was less than 1 day old when he tried to kill pitou iirc. He gets stronger every day the more he eats. He is stronger when he fought Netero than he was at that time. He was 40 DAYS old and he fodderized Netero. Mereum’s physiology alone puts him above Netero. He did not use any nen or hatsu. Just one flash of his aura he was able to find the wolf ant and appear before him. Almost as if he teleported. Meruem had more aura than Gon.
If you give Gon a lifetime of training, you would have to assume that the king would be alive, growing stronger with everything that he consumes as well. This point is moot.
Just because you’re an enhancer doesn’t mean you just automatically have more aura. Komugi was an enhancer as well.
@@kevingbergiste7372 Gon could throw rocks at Netero an they'd be instant kill shots if any of them hit. Gon could do almost anything and it'd have the power of god behind it. If Meruem wanted to kill Netero immediately HE COULD HAVE DONE IT EASILY but he chose not to because he wanted to talk, not fight..
"Just because you’re an enhancer doesn’t mean you just automatically have more aura. Komugi was an enhancer as well."
we arent talking about a random enhancer, we're talking about Gon... Gon, who is for all intent and purpose is just a dumbed down kid version of Uvogin. I think amplifying Uvo's ability to give perspective to adult gon nis the easiest way to see Gons actual strength. his fight with Pitou is so one sided that we cant actually properly grasp Gons strength properly.. Gon was so strong that he literally just needed to kick Pitou to win, we learn nothing from that other than he's way stronger than Pitou.
@jordanious7711 your talking facts, you can't gauge someone strength if they are that much powerfull than you, you can just feel and compare that feeling, pitou was destroyed by pitou, you can't take anything she said for granted, bc it was never possible for her to understand gon strength at that moment, she could only compare it to the next thing that gave her That feelings, Meruem.
You guys need to stop just reading and actually put yourself on the character shoes.
I disagree about Netero not being able to block Gon's attacks. His statue was never damage by Meruem, so it's probable that it could tank Gon's attacks too. All he needs to deal with ranged attacks is block with his statue.
It's a bad idea to use the statue to just block though, because with Meruem's speed (and clearly Gon's too), he doesn't have the time to unleash another hand when he's already doing one, if he didn't punch them back far away from him. If he blocks instead of attacking, he's dead. That's why we never see him straight up block in the entire fight once Meruem starts fighting back. He either throws him away or restrict his movement by ensnaring him to get enough time to throw him away.
So the issue becomes: If the attack comes from a different place than Gon (Paper + timed dash attack on the side), what can Netero do? It's harder to throw away two things coming at different angle at the same time, and blocking is not an option. And even if he has options to attack in two specific directions, Gon merely need to check all those options one by one until he finds a duo of angles not covered, it's impossible to cover all combinations of two angles with only a hundred hands. Because if Netero doesn't have time to unleash the next one, then his infinite combinations revert back to a hundred options which Gon while not a genius is perfectly capable of internalising.
Meruem was an emitter and he would have had a much easier time in this fight if he had an emission attack.
Mereum was holding back
Meruem never even punched the statue, only held it back occasionally
Another autistic netero meat rider.
@@Arkayjiya Bro neteros movements are so fast its almost undodgeable, meruem is the only one WHO could discern the pattern of the attacks but anyone else would never be able to dodge
My dude had aura leaking out of his head into the upper atmosphere
Meruem's probability deduction and pattern recognition is like an AI from the future 1 billion years ahead.
I had a debate about this exact subject with my friend a few years ago and i had nearly the exact same points that you yourself had but i ended my argument with. Pito was no longer Gon's enemy the moment he transformed, to pito Gon was basically teleporting, the speed gap was so massive that when gon dodged pitos attack he stood to the side menacingly staring at Pito before blowing out Pitos back, he wasn't in pearl at any point no bead of sweat just a stone face look of disappointment and malice. Even after Pito's post nen activated with up to a 10× multiplier Gon immediately put that corpse in the dirt like Pito was nothing more than a wet rag. We never got to see adult Gon go all out because Pito wasnt capable of bringing out his full power and that's evident with how 1 sided the fight was, it reminds me of a saying i heard recently. Two student's get their test scores, 1's got 99/100 questions right the other got all 100 right, the 99 student goes to the 100 studen saying we basically got the same score and the 100 student says no we're not the same, you got 99 right because that was all you could get, i got 100 because that was all their was to get.
I think you under estimate Gon's battle iq tbh, he was able to outsmart Netero as a child in their little game of ball. Netero has a few key weaknesses that Gon in his adult form can manipulate:
1. Netero has a limited range on his guanine bodhisattva, we don't see it expressed since Meruem didn't have to dodge them and the fight took place in an enclosed dome essentially. Since Gon was in a higher physical state than Pitou who could get knocked out of bodhisattva's range, land and kick at high speed to launch means Gon has that insane kind of mobility. We see him casually side step Pitou meaning his sense of reflex in reading attacks would be around Mereums level. This means alongside things like hulk jumping, he could very well use his emitter ability to launch himself at high speeds.
2. Netero's guanine bodhisattva has to be reset each time he moves, and he needs a clear line of sight to be able to hit his opponents, for example he could smash the ground if an enemy retreats but he won't specifically know where they are. This means Gon has the timing and reflexes of Meruem, the mobility to force Netero to reset or to throw enough debris at him to keep him constantly going. Netero is older and while he has stamina Gon destroying the entire area forcing Netero to constatnly reset would give Gon openings.
3. Gon has access to sound, not even counting the Uvo scream, Gon is very well capable of clapping his hands together to create shockwaves and I am extremely sure Gon would attempt something like that if he had the power of his adult form.
I don't think Gon would necessarily win, but he has so much in his toolbelt in adult form, especially if were just considering him in his prime with no emotional damage going on.
I always theorized that they would play chess. Thousand Hands vs Rock Paper Scissors. Netero would be playing defense guessing which emitter Gon would use. I could see Netero defending for rock and Gon throwing scissors to cut down his prayer hands. Then once Netero prepares to defend against scissors Gon squashes him with paper from both sides 🫸🫷 symbolizing his own kind of prayer hands.
thats just weak. Let it be clear, Netero is the pinnacle of of nen mastery, and all around trolling. Something that simple wouldn't even come close to defeat him. He is not an imbecile, he is a clear genious in combat, and NEVER underestimates his opponent. WIth bodhisattva out, nobody can touch him. The absolute strongest being in the verse had to ALSO being the smartest/quickest to defeat him. Without his insane processing power, Meruem wouldn't been able to hurt him, which means anything below that combination of intelligence, strength and speed, stands zero chance against Netero.
@@juliofranciscogomezstoppel1860 remember to zip his pants when you're done brodie
buddy fought an emitter who wasn’t emitting 😂 he fought an opponent who didn’t even want to fight. he fought an opponent who had to be handicapped, could’ve taken his head so much sooner. he also did underestimate the king during their fight lol
@@wooskys8685 yeah, he underestimated him so much that he openly stated he was the underdog, and went the extra mile to get a dead man's switch in his fkng hearth. Lowballing Meruem so much there...
Gon is getting destroyed by thousand hands. I'm sorry 😂
STOP FEEDING MY DREAMS OF SEEING A TRUE ADULT GON
Never would have thought I’d sit through this whole explanation. But it was captivating lol. Great vid
fantastic video. i almost forgot how much I love HXH's battle system
Great vido but i got some gripes.
The scaling at 15:35 was weird.
If Gon is = or >= to Meruem and meruem couldn't break the buddha, why wouldn't Netero just slap away paper? as its just relative to his normal attacks that already = Meruem.
To push it even further he wouldn't get to charge paper or rock. Netero Buddha is far far faster than meruem, so far faster than Gon he'd one shot him as he has no nen defense when charging.
@@asura3229 he let his arm get cut off as homage to kite.
@oh I wasn’t talking about that.
@@asura3229my bad playa I was replying to different comment and somehow my sleep deprived ass replied to the wrong one.
Only netero's hand movement is far faster than mereum. And I don't recall it being stated gon had no nen defense when charging the principles of nen would stand to reason the rest of his body would be vulnerable but not totally defenseless. Paper is an emitted attack so he can charge from a far enough distance is what I think.
@@josiahreed4591 na that's fine bro
-It's obvious,
-Goes deep in to the topic for 20 minutes
Your presentation is so clean I had to subscribe.
Phenomenal video, please do Sukuna Vs Meruem next
It's 60/40 in my opinion.
Netero's skill and Hatsu are a huge advantage, but Gon is ALL of his potential at once and he's full of tricks.
My boy killing it! But I be seeing you on sparkling Zero. You might as well power scale it 😂.
@@THEONE2330 I’m so addicted to that game bro
Literally everything you said made complete Logical sense so I must agree!
First!!! Love your vids by the way, keep going man and never give up bro
Gon wins, he slams Pitou while Netero is iffy about killing Pitou. Also Pitou states him as big danger to King while forgeting about this old men that slapped her before.
Hey thanks again for the video! Really enjoy the content.
Where can we find the music? I saw the maker but what's the name of the song?
Surprised you didn’t mention Gon’s speed likely being much faster than Netero’s praying movements considering Pitou’s ability to see (not react to) Netero’s hand movements and not being able to even see Gon move.
This fight would literally just be Gon speed blitzing Netero and killing him in one hit.
Who said she couldnt see gon's movement? She could see him move but he was just much faster than her. If meruem cannot react to Netero's prayer then adult gon definitely isn't reacting or speed blitzing netero.
@ You should re-read the chapter when Gon first transforms and she tries to attack him. She literally has no idea what happened when Gon moves
@@GODSPEE. Ah you're talking about when he first transformed, I was referring to when they went outside. I don't think that's enough evidence to suggest that Gon is faster than Netero's hand movements especially if Meruem's speed was inferior to Netero's hatsu.
@@cheeseburgerfreddy6350 idk, you are already running under the assumption that Gon is slower than Meruem and thus that makes you think there is no way Gon can react to Netero’s praying movements. Adult Gon isn’t on screen for that long so I’ll just use whatever feats he does end up displaying. The only contra-positive to Gon being slower than what I said is that the feat is technically an outlier, that being said, I don’t remember Pitou reacting to any of Gon’s attacks, but that is mainly because she was being ragdolled around the entire time they fought so she didn’t really have a chance to react.
@@GODSPEE. I never said adult Gon was slower than Meruem, reread my comment I said if Meruem couldn't do it then I don't see Gon doing it as they're relative to one another in terms of their aura or raw power. If Meruem and Gon are physically relative then Gon to me simply isn't reacting to Netero's Buddha hatsu.
If Meruem wasn't using Nen defense, it would be like pre-Namek Goku fighting Cell, then going Blue lmao.
Love the vid, I'll comment again once I've finished it/read the other comments.
For now though, I'd love to see few vids about ranking princes in the Succession War. Or even non-prince characters introduced during that arc
Yo leelos whats your thoughts on kagurabachi
Only read the first like 3 chapters so far. Looks cool
this was a pleasure to watch. Subscribed!!
Gon's ability to endure damage is the main factor and there is no chance that he can be close even to the level of pitou.
This shouldn't even be a discussion at all. Pitou wasn't afraid of netero getting to the king. Was terrified when Gon turned into an adult.
Plus on how they beat the ants. Netero needed a nuke. Gon was the nuke.
@ivanbluecool Don't forget it had to be a poison bomb, I agree, but we can't leave that detail out.
Ummm are u sure about that? cause Pitou was very afraid of Netero going to the king after she was slapped away that she broke the sound barrier jumping to the Kings defence.
Dude, do you think we are talking Naruto? Freaking IQ and battle experience are a thing in HxH. Meruem had to push his mind to it's limit to touch Netero once after getting smacked thousands of times...and we know Meruem's level of IQ was far beyond that of any human. Now Gon doesn't have Meruem's IQ or Netero's experience and tactics. Gon ain't sniffing Netero.
Gon doesn't have the durability to tank thousands of Guanyin strikes like Meruem did, or the intelligence to memorize and evade Netero's combinations
@@Tomiwa101 don't forget, meruem had a massive handicap while fighting netero. he wasn't trying to kill him, rather he was trying to break his will. hence the scene where meruem manages to "thread the needle".
All depends on the ability to hold his ground. If Gon could take a hit without knockback, Netero loses hands down. Gon could just barge through the barrage.
If Gon gets knocked back, Netero just has to play keep away.
Gon does have some range and speed, but Netero has some insane speed and range too.
If I had to choose one, would say Netero wins, because he was able to block and bat away Chinera King, which implies it isnt just about how hard it is hitting with Nen, but also a transference of physical momentum.
"... is obvious" 20 minute video on the subject
The answer is simple when the bird man chimera ant was ask who's the strongest he said Netero won't even stand a chance against the Royal guards.
i was with ya till u started to speculate that gon gets smart when hes old 😅🤣😂
Gon is smart
@donniecarlson9677 he probably gets more well rounded like Naruto. He doesn't become as smart as his father but still smart enough
@@eastsidepb8139goku, luffy, naruto, where they are all “ dumb “ but when it really counts they get what they need to done and have insane battle iq. hate that people bring up “ Gon isn’t smart so he loses “ like you guys have watched the entire series with your eyes closed. he’s also outsmarted Netero already before
@@wooskys8685 wtf are you talking about
The problem everyone seems to forget with adult Gon is that while he may have had enough speed and power to pose a threat to the king(in Pitou eyes at least) at the end of the day he did not have the raw physical durability. This is show that he could easily dodge Pitou but when dead Pitou got him with a sneak attack she managed to take off his arm. I guarantee you Pitou couldn’t do that to the king even if the king let her just cause his genes and armor are that strong.
Gon let Pitou slice his arm off, because he felt responsible for Pitou taking Kites arm in their first meet up. If anything, that just highlights how insane Gon is 👀👀.
I completely disagree with this. Gons Nen defence was down while Pitou was post mortem boosted. Caught off guard. Gon's defence should be relative to Meruem’s having relative Nen pool in general. It might even exceed his defence being an enhancer. At the end of the day you can only dish out so much you can also take. That is basic physics, newtons third law. If his durability was so much beneath Pitous his body would not hold up to his own punching power at all
@@Mugen_YTube You can't say that with certainty because Pitou never fought Mereum. The only thing we do know is that, he's the strongest royal guard, whose strength was also acknowledged by the King of ants. Mereum would definitely beat him in a fight bt the King would also take damage. He took damage against an old Netero who's weaker than Pitou 🤷♂️
@@manny5839 Meruem would not beat Adult Gon in a fight. I disagree once again lol
@@Mugen_YTube Your speaking about the laws of physics in an Anime with a power system that can disregard that at anytime.
The goat is back
Can we stop calling him "adult gon" that's not how he will look as an adult that's death sacrificial full potential Gon, that's how he will look if he trained EVERYDAY for decades (so if he did what netero did but for way more years basically) Now let's imagine if netero was full of hatred and was pushed to his absolute mental limites and wanted to use post mortem nen too...would that even be a debate? Of course not he would erase Gon from existence. Let's stop comparing the incomparable you can't use someone that wanted to use himself and his potential as a living sacrifice vs a normal human, either use both of their normal forms against each other or use both of their post mortem nen forms against each other.
@@Bulletproof208 Exactly. Don't know how everyone is not getting this point.
Gon transformation entails him getting all the power he'll ever have so pretty much bringing him to his prime if netero did it he would just become young again he would still lose also gon doesn't have post mortem nen he never died
found ur vids today and cant stop watching keep it up
People forget that Gon is an enhancer whilst Meruem is an emitter.
- Considering that Gon's aura alone had Pitou thinking he was a threat to the King, its crazy to think he would be 20% more proficient at amping his body than Meruem. Considering this, Gon might actually be out right physically more dominant than Meruem.
No because the entire premise you guys are going with is based on the wrong assumption that Pitou was saying Gon is Meruem level
She said he's a threat and can harm hit. Same statements were made about Netero and Zeno and we saw how that went
@ your point is disgustingly disingenuous. Netero is substantially stronger than Zeno and yet his hit barely scratched Pitou. Adult Gon killed her in literal seconds with one rock. We literally see the King hit Pitou with his tail and he states he was aiming to take off her head yet she survived it.m and he was impressed. Gon is substantially stronger than Pitou who can shrug off Netero’s attack with it sending her back being the only problem.
@@CameronkAK Netero's hit was a super fast casual slap which he can throw an unlimited amount of at Pitou if he wishes to. Rock is Gon's strongest attack which requires multiple seconds to land and consumes 1/5th of his aura.
It isn't comparable in the slightest. Besides my point was to show that Pitou over-reacted even with characters who are nowhere near Meruem in reality so whatever she said/felt regarding Adult Gon does not prove he is actually on par with Meruem at anything
Yes Meruem was trying to kill Pitou with a very casual tail blow that he usdd on squadron leaders earlier... still not comparable to Gon going all out on her with KO attacks come on now.
@@maradoyeho5558 i’ll just come in and say this, while i agree Gon isn’t stronger than Meruem those no reason to believe rock would consume 1/5th of his aura in his adult form.
he’d have way more Nen as an adult than as a child
@ uh what? Of course he'd have way more aura hence why his rock is so strong in adult form.
Using 1/5th of your aura isn't an anti feat. It means his output is very impressive because being able to pull out 1/5th of your total aura isn't easy as Knuckle explained.
Does gon possess enough raw power to damage Netero? Yes. Could Gon even get to Netero? No. He would have to be faster than Meruem, who survived THOUSANDS of attacks from Netero to figure out the MILLIONS of possible attack combinations in order to rip him apart. We saw nothing that shows that he’s that fast, nor durable, nor that calculating. Unless Gon just blows up the entire field with just one blow, he can’t touch Netero. And that blowing up the field thing is IF Netero lets him. Netero’s attacks are too FAST.
@@kevingbergiste7372 That seems to be the big point of contention in the comments. People think that Gon is significantly faster than Muruem for some reason.
Gon’s only chance of beating old Netero is speed blitzing him at the start of the fight before he uses his Hatsu, but we know Netero can immediately conjure it in split second so who knows.
@@kevingbergiste7372 I don‘t get why people believe, Gon‘s fight against Netero would be the same as Meruems. Meruem fought Netero by tanking every hit, because he COULD. Gon has already displayed multiple range combat feats - why wouldn‘t he use one of those. Isn‘t it a continuous point of emphasis for Togashi, that no two matchups are the same? You seem to assume that Gon is just a less durable and possibly slower version of Meruem, but did it occur to you, that he is an entirely different character, that might just find his own personal style to fight a difficult opponent?
Also, we have seen so little of Gon in that form, we basically know nothing about him other than him vastly outscaling Pitou, who comfortably outscales Netero. So there is still a good chance, that Gon could, just outspeed/outlast Netero, especially since he wouldn‘t have to worry about not killing him, which Meruem considered a huge handicap, that probably prolonged the fight quite a bit.
@@kojirod.dragon3724he has other attacks as well and the video kinda talked about it, but not much and I think it’s gons easiest way to win. Using a ranged attack would cause netero to retreat and would open him up to gons beat down. Even if he didn’t get it that time i believe he could spam ranged attacks until gon can get close enough where he has a guaranteed hit.
@@eliasandradeschindler9402 pitou outscales neteto in terms of her durability but she is not fast enough to to get to Netero between his attacks. He may not be able to damage pitou, but for pitou to get to him, she would have to dodge millions of attack combinations.
Gon not being as fast as Meruem is a huge deal in this fight because that’s the only way you could even damage netero. Gon has ranged attacks but he has to charge them while dodging thousands of attacks per minute from Netero at different combinations. And yes. Gon is less durable than Meruem. Meruem was tanking Netero with no defensive nen. While pitou was able to slice Gon’s arm off.
@@kojirod.dragon3724 agreed. iirc Meruem used his aura so find the wolf ant and appeared before him instantaneously as if he teleported. Gon is not as fast as that.
What’s the song being used in the background? Great vid btw
I’m going to go with adult gon based on nothing, let’s see if I’m right
the match up we've all been waiting for
Prime vs Prime can’t even be a discussion. We have no idea how strong Gon would’ve actually been with 30 extra years of development and probably making new techniques. We also don’t know how strong Net really was at his peak. He says he’s only half but we don’t know.
Isnt Rock already a conditional Nen ability? He has to hold a specific pose and make himself vulnerable while he charges it.
Not as many conditions as Zero Hand, but still
Not exactly, Gon in adult form would always be that powerful, Netero had to mediate for a while before being powered up.
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I'm talking about Hatsu condition multipliers, not base power.
@ I just thought that it was also a condition in a sense. Basically all the other characters don’t have to do that to be full power.
Im not sure how it is different in the manga, but in the anime, gon when he went adult seemed to mostly be grieving than actually wanting to kill pitou. As shown at the end, he couldve killed her way earlier, but he wanted her to feel pain, he held back to not kill them too quickly
I finally understand. Great video!
Nice vid. Song name bro?
could you do a video on chrollo vs hisoka? they might be rematching soon
Can you do a full video of just power scaling adult gon/gon potential
They’re pulling a lore accurate time skip on us
Full potential killua vs meruem, netero? Any of these 2 would be fire video form you
Yo Leelos what’s that beat in your intro? It’s fire 🔥
0:11 timestamp and just like that you gave away your whole video
@@sgdpushaa3232 watch the vid and you’ll see it doesn’t
I feel like you're under estimating the body's natural instinct to adapt. Gon's adult for is a calm rage meaning he isn't rationally thinking. After a couple minutes gon should understand netero's patterns
Now I want to see adult gon vs Meruem
I made a video on that too
Make Hypothetical Zeno prime vs Royal Guards(not together,obviously 💀).
Peak Netero wipes his ass with Adult Gon. Adult Gon was Meruem level.
you think prime netero even beats meruem? 😂😂😂😂 i don’t understand how people can watch tbe same show as me and come up with such things 😂😂😂 the comprehension on yall
Gon is not only faster than Meruem but he is relative to or faster than Netero's praying, which was described as the only move that "greatly surpassed" Meruem. Gon was able to speed blitz Pitou so bad the only indication they had of where Gon went was an open door. Then again when he kicked them in the manga we have no proof that they even perceived him moving. Pitous should be even more locked in then when they could at least see faint afterimages of Netero. So unironically Gon's combat speed probably surpasses Netero's praying speed, which means Netero stands 0 chance of hitting him. I used to be on Netero's side of this argument, but between the gargantuan power differential, the relative speed if you are downplaying Gon, and the narrative implication of Netero being a toddler while Gon is a full on threat to Meruem really makes this not a question for me.
I think your adult Gon hypothetical ap is actually a low ball. I think his ap could be far above nuke level. Meruem didn’t even die from a nuke, nd he has the ap to damage himself. His ap was already comparable to a nuke.
Then add on things like Ko that are able to multiply your power up to 10x, then add on conditions to hatsu which continue to multiply your power. He could get from mountain-island levels of power if not more.
I think it's also because pitou didn't really used a nen that could protect him and just fully tanked adult gon's attacks
This argument is flawed. This wasn’t just an adult
gon. This was gon with all the power he would ever have. Not how powerful he would be as an adult.
You’re missing the massive speed gap, there’s a very real possibility that gon is even faster than neteros hands or meruem
Gon vs Netero would go in a completly diferent way, I can't see Gon going in such a direct way to atack Netero, he would just throw stuff at him, use punches to create a smoke screen, hide and come from behind and other tactics that would allow him to beat Netero low to mid diff with the insane stats gap
Make a vid amount gon potentially comming back
I respect the analysis. I personally think Gon would win because dude is fast as f**k displayed when blitzing pitou. He also has plot and main character amor and at the end of the day Netero is dead and gon lived and was the only one to kill a royal guard plus no diff.
I always found it disappointing how there was no damage done to pitou from meruem’s attack
People seem to forget how durable ants are without nen, the rabbit guy was a bit stronger than gon and killua and he didn't have nen,
if an ant base stat is comparable to someone with nen then if you stack the ant with the same amount of nen as the human, would the ant be stronger or they would be equal,
in otherworlds adult gon without nen is not equal to the king without nen. I hope this explains why they would not be equal in durability. also gon was equal to the king in nen not base physical stats
Where ya been man? we missed ya.
Before watching the video, im going to go with Gon on this. Adult Gon has only primed to an age where he has just enough nen to overpower Pitou (while also enough to match Meruem) , while even prime Netero wouldnt be able to defeat Meruem
After watching the video, all of my questions and hypotheticals were answered
I think the janken combo isnt even needed, the paper will probably be such a huge AOE attack and be so powerful its not even funny
"Adult Gon vs Netero is Obvious"
Answer: It depends
How did you make a 20 minute video about Adult Gon vs Netero, without once talking about Gon's speed? Netero's strategy is only possible due to him being faster than his opponent. Gon was able to frame freeze Pitou in place, similar to how Netero did. If his speed is relative to Netero's prayer movement, then the strategy falls into shambles
Awesome video.
Do you think gon will recover his lost potential and nen or will gon ever come back to the series again
I don’t think it’s implied that Netero hit Pitou as hard as possible just because he want to separate them. Pitou would’ve been flying still if it wasn’t for Dr. Blythe which is a physics breaking ability
I disagree with the fact that wanting to push someone as far away as possible is the same as punching as hard as you can. If you want to push someone out of the way of a speeding train, you don't punch them. You push them. A push does not damage, but will send them flying way longer than any punch will. Netero wanted to push Pito, not punch.
Nice vid
When will you people learn to not treat HxH likes its dbz, powerscaling in general is some dumb shit but powerscalig HxH is even dumber especially when you consider the fact that Togashi created nen to avoid the endless nonsense power creep bs that happens in most shounen
ill be surprised if the royal guards arent considered mid tiers by the end of the series
So we have to use the ants to guage them. Would Gon's reaction time let him dodge the strikes from the 100 type Guanyin Bodhisattva? Pitou could not react to Gon's speed and Gon's kick dealt heavy physical damage to Pitou, while Netero's Bodhisattva strike did Zero damage to Pitou. Thousands of Bodhisattva strikes only left a few scratches on the Ant King. So my answer is, it depends on whether Gon is fast enough to evade Bodhisattva. If Gon can dodge it then he can win. Physically neither Gon nor Netero are very durable. God easily lost an arm to Pitou and might have died if not for Killua. The ant King was more or less toying with Netero. How many Bodhisattva hits can Gon take? Can Netero survive Gon's attacks. Heck no! It's doesn't really matter. They both would lose to the Ant King because they're only human.
@@hendrickson3414 Gon let his arm get ripped to be like kite who lost his arm to pitou
@GuywithoutamustacheBru But Pitou DID damage him nonetheless. This is a cue to assess his durability, and it doesn't appear to be spectacular. I'd like to side with Netero due to the fact that Gon doesn't have the Ant's time compression perception or Meruem's intelligence and won't be able to see Netero's strikes coming.
Gon can just punch through Bodhisattva's hands with Rock or Nuke him with Paper. Adult Gon is also faster than Netero, Pitou can't even see Gon move. While Pitou can still see Netero's movement, but was unable to react because she was in mid air at that time. Gon's attacks are arguably more potent compared to what were showcased by Meruem during the Netero fight, because Gon's Rock is an actual combat Hatsu with more Nen. Meruem is not trying to kill Netero.
I agree with the outcome of the fight but to be fair, Gon could definitely develop his Battle IQ throughout the fight with Netero (i mean like he doesn't need to be as smart as Meruem to have that much biq)
Spoilers Ahead. I think Adult Gon was not Gon power!!! After I read manga, I realized that when I saw Gon's hand shrinking after fighting with Pitou, his hand look quite similar with one of five the calamity, "PAP" victims. In translation when it describe "PAP" it said " A beast that keeps people as pets: PAP. A trade of between life and 'pleasure'". At the end of the fight I saw that after Gon's hand were broken, he's smiling instead of hurting...is it because of "pleasure" for killing Pitou? And the most interesting facts is Gon's hair also going up like the feeler of "PAP". In the Hospital his head weren't shown which become more suspicious. Plus the aura he emitted is black before he transformed into adult which is quite rare. The only black aura that were shown to us is later on when Nanika heal Gon. And yes, Nanika is also from Dark Continent.
title says "its obvious" proceeds to make a 20 min video... not very obvious then
Meruem who has read all the books in the world would know enough of psychology, martial arts etc to beat his Post-Rose self, most of OPM mid dragons etc.
Why do u talk with so many weird short pauses and up & downs in your voice
This should be fun.
Bruh... how do you manage to stretch this out 20 minutes? Pitou just has superior biology over Netero, but he clears her regardless. Her technique is useless and she lacks the intellect to find attack opportunities against the Bodhisattva. Pitou says in her fight against Gon that he is equal if not superior to Meruem. So it goes like this: Pitou < Netero < Meruem
hes an enhancer he should stick to what he does best
yo great video, I agree with all you said