Love it trottie 👌🏽 I kinda feel I’m at the point of my golf journey where fitting could really help. I’ve never been thru that process but I’m stoked to feel like I’m ready and that these clubs are ready to go too ❤️❤️❤️
Future vid idea: Fitting this driver for players that use jumbo grips diff shaft weights to speak more about swing weights. Shops don’t fit with jumbo grips if needed, hard to get dialed.
I just hope this level of swing weight fitting is going to be encouraged by pros and fitters. So many cowboy “fitters” out there dont even know what swing weight is. I have always found TM drivers to be too heavy in swing weight, and i have a big right tendency with them. Wonder if its going to be as accessible as you say to bring the swing weight down
Went to 8.5 loft on my driver from 10, massive improvement but I’d do need to keep the speed up. Getting old (51) means fitness is key too but what a great reason to hit those 💣
45 inch driver is the best length for constant strike, tip a driver shaft 1 inch will get you the best start for legit speed swinging players, d2-d3 swing weight
Trottie!! Love the stuff, thank you!! Quick question on the weight track on the Stealth Plus. I know its designed to help ball flight, but I have also heard people putting it behind where they hit the ball. For example I typically hit it in the center to slightly toe side. How do you guys use the sliding weight to fit the guys on tour?
TaylorMade did an R&D test ages ago about tour PLYR's & how they locate the CG. This then followed up with the realization that some PLYR's do what you're talking about. Bottom line if you align the CG of the ball with the mass of the head then you're going to get the most speed. So in short, I don't hate where you're going with this
Great vid trottie! Changing the TPS weight & sliding weights would alter the CG & MOi of the head right? Could you tinker with a stealth plus & make it a little more forgiving? I.e.Lighter on the front rail & heavier TPS weight
Trottie! Any idea on the weights? Loving the driver, but would like to see a little more weight in the head... TM told me touching them voids the warranty and they only change them for weight in house?!?! Does that seem right?
@@trottiegolf thanks! No one has the weights out here in New England, so no way to test with them. Which is unfortunate for those of us who bought the driver and hopes to use existing shafts. Appreciate you getting back to me and love the content!!!
Very informative sir. Not sure the profile but, I put a GD Tour AD IZ Shaft in my Stealth and started bombing it over the Stock Adilia Ascent shaft. Should most of us be looking at CB shafts and adding weight? What about some who use heavier mid sized and jumbo grips? Should we be looking to add weight as well? Thanks
A midsize or a jumbo will impact swing weight a touch so does allow you to add weight. Not everyone will get on with CB shafts, it’s not a “one size fits all” type deal but it’s worth checking them out for sure
Great video, love the detail that you get in to about how not only the club is designed but also how to best get fit. Would you say that the Stealth (not the Plus) is the approximate (in terms of playability, forgiveness and spin rates) equivalent to the SIM 2 Max from last year?
Awesome TROTTIE 🙌🙌. Keeping it simple stupid (K.I.S.S.) I had a similar situation at my custom fit last May at 2ndSwing Golf at their Delaware location. Went in with my 2016 M2 head and a counter balanced shaft was the ticket for me Hzdrs Smoke Yellow 5.5 (counterbalanced) at 45 inches was ideal. Got a couple of 1.50 smash factors Went back in September and tried Ventus Velocore shafts blue and red in combination w a SIM 2 max head. Spin rates were 3-4000 rpm’s My fitter grabbed a Small Batch Evenflow Riptide CB and boom 💥 5 more carry yards compared to Hzdrs Smoke Yellow Counterbalanced shaft was the ticket 🎟 for me with my 2016 M2 playing at D4 with an 8 gram head weight with WINN Dri-Tech LT midsize grip. Backspin 2000-2200 rpm, AOA +2 to +4 up. 10.5 deg head turned down 1 click to 9.75 deg. STEALTH is an amazing driver with this CARBON face, looking forward to getting custom fit for it and see what the numbers are compared to my 2016 M2!
Hi from Sweden, I didn’t quite get what you said about counter weight shaft? I hope I can use either of my shafts from my SIM driver (either GD Tour VR or IX) and I can’t wait to put the Stealth in my bag! Also wonder if those TPS weights for the heads ever are going to make their way here. Worst case I’ll have to hope TM will have the tour truck at the Scandinavian Mixed this summer. Is Mark still working on tour in EU?
I’m 41, been playing since 16 and have never been fitted for clubs. No wonder I have not gotten better. Ain’t going to lie, it’s been really frustrating. If I can’t get an amazing opportunity to get fitted by you or someone from Taylormade, who do you recommend as a fitter? I live in Sarasota, FL. I’ll meet you wherever. I don’t want a freebie, I want to be fitted for the entire bag except my putter, Spider X which I absolutely love. I’m currently using a Burner driver and Burner 2.0 irons. Please help!!!
If you can swing the same head added weight without a CB shaft would that generate more speed than added weight with the CB shaft as long as you can replicate the launch conditions? Or would you just then add even more weight and go to a CB shaft?
I like your last suggestion to max out. Keep in mind same shaft (non-counter) with more head weight will most likely make that shaft perform differently in terms of how you deliver dynamic loft. HENCE why I'm always so hell bent on swing weight.
I'm not sure but I know they offer CB. I'd have to study the list. Link in description sends you to the fitting page, the guys on there will be more familiar with the offerings
Didn’t you guys say the face of M5, SIM, SIM2 drivers was as hot as legally allowed? Those faces were made slightly above the USGA limit and “dialed back” just so that they are legal. Please explain how energy transfer of the new face is greater without violating USGA limit. More forgiving on off center hits, maybe, but more energy transfer, I need explanation.
Didn’t manufacturers hit the USGA limited ball speed like 10 years ago? How can you claim the Stealth improves smash factor when it’s been maxed out for a while?
Hey trottie, great video! Would a player who is pretty steep with the driver benefit more from the lower spin head (stealth+) to shave some Rpm’s off? Currently in sim2 max 9 deg Tensei pro orange 70tx
@@trottiegolf thanks for the reply. When I got my fitting from the TM rep, my baseline launch was too low, and spin was too high. So we went with the max head and a really stiff shaft. But I still get the spinny one pretty often. Perhaps stealth+ would help cut some spin
Trottie, how the heck am I able to get that heavier TPS weight? I Ordered my stealth plus and I already have the Accra TZ CB shaft and already play at 46” so I wanted to try this but when I called TM they said no. Is there something special I have to do or what? Loving your videos!
@trottiegolf Whats the standard headweight on the two Stealth models? Also what's the overall deadweight mass (grams) on the final build for yourself that you are hitting? Is there a deadweight you find optimum, what's too heavy, what's too light for you? Assuming a 52g grip.
Trottie, I’m in a Callaway Mavrik turned down to 8 and still hitting it 160 feet apex at 170 plus ball speed. What would be your suggestion in Stealth plus to improve overall distance? Love the videos and have learned a lot already! 👍
Hi Trottie, I have a 0.6 index, swing around 104mph and I'm very efficient with driver due to very positive aoa and very low spin. (Carry is king here in Manchester especially in winter) I'm currently using sim2 max 12° dialled down to 10.5° with a diamana s+ 62 x. I'm interested in trying to get gains in ball speed by using lower loft but I fear I won't produce enough spin. How do I increase spin loft?
@@trottiegolf I tend to get my best results at my speed by pegging it up high and launching it around 17° with around 1700 back spin. My AOA is normally around 5° up with driver... I've hit my driver this way since pre launch monitor days. If I use less loft I get under 1000 back spin, which is why I use Max2 12° and have it dialled down to 10.5°🤷♂️
@@trottiegolf I don't go on LM very often but I found a GC2 screenshot of a drive from spring last year. Club speed 101mph, ball speed 147mph, efficiency 1.45, launch 14.9°, aoa 7.1° up, path 3.2° I-O, Carry 261 yards.
@@Erictheking66 Smash is the concern. You need to evaluate the AOA with either the loft you play or the way you deliver the club. With those digits you're not as efficient as you could / should be
After playing taylormade for 14 years EXCLUSIVELY...13 clubs in the bag by TM for 14 years, over 20,000$ spent with TM... my 2017 m1 cracked during a tournament(my first ever problem), contacted you guys to get it resolved and you all basically told me to kick rocks so I did and now don't have a single TM club in my bag... ping woods, srixon irons, Cleveland wedges, scotty putter...I STILL THINK TAYLORMADE MAKES THE BEST ON EARTH BUT AFTER BEING TREATED THAT WAY AFTER 14 YEARS OF LOYALTY..NAH THIS +3 IS OUT... my dream was to be sponsored by taylormade and literally play your clubs until I die... IF NOT FOR THE WAY I WAS TREATED I WOULD BE PLAYING ALL STEALTH, P7TW IRONS, MG3 WEDGES but shooting 67 at Pinehurst I guess my bag is fine... still wish that had never happened because I truly loved taylormade
Distance optimization. I've since backed it off back to 45.75" (I think), 46" is a lot for anyone, I think if you swing it well then the height doesn't matter. Woosnam is 45.75" EOG and he's a smaller fella
Just when I thought Trottie couldn’t get any better, he then starts changing weights with a Snap-on cordless 👏👏
Great video Trottie. Would love to see a video on the various shaft options for the Stealth and who they are suitable for.
Your swing is definition of effortless power. Fantastic numbers. I'm impressed.
About time someone talked out the weight on driver good stuff
“I have a dream”…. and it’s got a red carbon face 👹 The B-52 of onion drops 🧅 … what a way to start the golfing year. Thanks Chris 🐐
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Serious knowledge bombs here. Thanks, Trottie!
Was the Malbon matching the club face trottie 👌
Love it trottie 👌🏽 I kinda feel I’m at the point of my golf journey where fitting could really help. I’ve never been thru that process but I’m stoked to feel like I’m ready and that these clubs are ready to go too ❤️❤️❤️
Trottie you are an absolute wizard 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
Is he the same guy fixing up the tm clubs in the tour truck ! Nice swing
I use the new stealth as a training aid. If you can hit it straight you can hit anything straight!
Super curious how the face feels in person! But that red face … can’t ever go wrong.. reminds me of tiger’s red #tourtrucktuesday
Future vid idea: Fitting this driver for players that use jumbo grips diff shaft weights to speak more about swing weights. Shops don’t fit with jumbo grips if needed, hard to get dialed.
Yes mate i would only ever have JumbMax on my clubs.....They make a huge difference.
We’re can I get a fitting in Australia ( Victoria) that will change the weight and not wanting to just sell you a driver and up graded shaft
Melbourne has a good fitting center
Great video as always.
Unfortunately the swing weight packs aren't available in the EU we've been told by Taylormade only for US market!?
When will this TMS+ swing weight kit be available?
I just hope this level of swing weight fitting is going to be encouraged by pros and fitters. So many cowboy “fitters” out there dont even know what swing weight is. I have always found TM drivers to be too heavy in swing weight, and i have a big right tendency with them. Wonder if its going to be as accessible as you say to bring the swing weight down
Just proceed with caution, a lighter swing weight can cause an even bigger right miss
Love it man, thing looks like a tank!
Went to 8.5 loft on my driver from 10, massive improvement but I’d do need to keep the speed up. Getting old (51) means fitness is key too but what a great reason to hit those 💣
With Less loft more flexible or lighter shaft perhaps to keep speed up maybe?
45 inch driver is the best length for constant strike, tip a driver shaft 1 inch will get you the best start for legit speed swinging players, d2-d3 swing weight
Happy new year trottie! Great great video and excited to test out this driver!!
Trottie!! Love the stuff, thank you!! Quick question on the weight track on the Stealth Plus. I know its designed to help ball flight, but I have also heard people putting it behind where they hit the ball. For example I typically hit it in the center to slightly toe side. How do you guys use the sliding weight to fit the guys on tour?
TaylorMade did an R&D test ages ago about tour PLYR's & how they locate the CG. This then followed up with the realization that some PLYR's do what you're talking about. Bottom line if you align the CG of the ball with the mass of the head then you're going to get the most speed. So in short, I don't hate where you're going with this
So you play 46inch driver, but I would like to know, how much weight at the back you play with? 4.1g or 5.7g or how much? Need HELP!!!!! Thanks!!
Swing weight, I go off that first. Then I look at spin and figure out back or front orientation for the weight
Great vid trottie! Changing the TPS weight & sliding weights would alter the CG & MOi of the head right? Could you tinker with a stealth plus & make it a little more forgiving? I.e.Lighter on the front rail & heavier TPS weight
You’re on the right track with that thinking yes BUT moving weight back will increase spin so dial in your loft at the same time
@@trottiegolf awesome thanks mate!
Hi Trottie, channel is great, what drill is that you are using! I want one for my fitting
Drill? Isn't it a TaylorMade wrench?
7.06
When will Team Taylormade test the Stealth
How do we change the weight in the back of the club and where do we get them from?
I believe TM sells a weight kit
Love the video, cant wait to do a fitting!
Trottie! Any idea on the weights? Loving the driver, but would like to see a little more weight in the head... TM told me touching them voids the warranty and they only change them for weight in house?!?! Does that seem right?
They’re gonna know more than me when it comes to warranty. I believe they can be changed during the fitting process & then ordered at a heavier SW
@@trottiegolf thanks! No one has the weights out here in New England, so no way to test with them. Which is unfortunate for those of us who bought the driver and hopes to use existing shafts.
Appreciate you getting back to me and love the content!!!
Very informative sir. Not sure the profile but, I put a GD Tour AD IZ Shaft in my Stealth and started bombing it over the Stock Adilia Ascent shaft. Should most of us be looking at CB shafts and adding weight? What about some who use heavier mid sized and jumbo grips? Should we be looking to add weight as well? Thanks
A midsize or a jumbo will impact swing weight a touch so does allow you to add weight. Not everyone will get on with CB shafts, it’s not a “one size fits all” type deal but it’s worth checking them out for sure
Preach trottie preach
Great video, love the detail that you get in to about how not only the club is designed but also how to best get fit.
Would you say that the Stealth (not the Plus) is the approximate (in terms of playability, forgiveness and spin rates) equivalent to the SIM 2 Max from last year?
I'd say progressive spin through the heads. Plus lowest, Stealth a touch more, which would make it comparable to the Max line
I can't find the face at 46. Still old school playing 44 3/4 or 7/8 with grip cap
Awesome TROTTIE 🙌🙌. Keeping it simple stupid (K.I.S.S.)
I had a similar situation at my custom fit last May at 2ndSwing Golf at their Delaware location. Went in with my 2016 M2 head and a counter balanced shaft was the ticket for me
Hzdrs Smoke Yellow 5.5 (counterbalanced) at 45 inches was ideal. Got a couple of 1.50 smash factors
Went back in September and tried Ventus Velocore shafts blue and red in combination w a SIM 2 max head. Spin rates were 3-4000 rpm’s
My fitter grabbed a Small Batch Evenflow Riptide CB and boom 💥 5 more carry yards compared to Hzdrs Smoke Yellow
Counterbalanced shaft was the ticket 🎟 for me with my 2016 M2 playing at D4 with an 8 gram head weight with WINN Dri-Tech LT midsize grip. Backspin 2000-2200 rpm, AOA +2 to +4 up. 10.5 deg head turned down 1 click to 9.75 deg.
STEALTH is an amazing driver with this CARBON face, looking forward to getting custom fit for it and see what the numbers are compared to my 2016 M2!
Hi from Sweden,
I didn’t quite get what you said about counter weight shaft? I hope I can use either of my shafts from my SIM driver (either GD Tour VR or IX) and I can’t wait to put the Stealth in my bag! Also wonder if those TPS weights for the heads ever are going to make their way here. Worst case I’ll have to hope TM will have the tour truck at the Scandinavian Mixed this summer. Is Mark still working on tour in EU?
Yes Mark still there, if you go counter balanced you need more head weight in my opinion for optimal performance
I’m 41, been playing since 16 and have never been fitted for clubs. No wonder I have not gotten better. Ain’t going to lie, it’s been really frustrating. If I can’t get an amazing opportunity to get fitted by you or someone from Taylormade, who do you recommend as a fitter? I live in Sarasota, FL. I’ll meet you wherever. I don’t want a freebie, I want to be fitted for the entire bag except my putter, Spider X which I absolutely love. I’m currently using a Burner driver and Burner 2.0 irons. Please help!!!
Check out the link in the description & you'll be sent to the fitting page. The TaylorMade experiential guys are solid & a good place to start
What is the stock rear TSS weight on Stealth+, 4g?
Excellent thank you
Counter balance shaft makes sense to me. In the Eu I'm not seeing it as a TM custom option, though I could be wrong.
Yeah most of the stuff is not available for EU
I wish the average fitting gave you options of changing swing weight etc
Most don't even have a SW scale in the shop. Don't want to deal with those questions.
See the link in description. The TaylorMade fitting experience locations will offer that
If you can swing the same head added weight without a CB shaft would that generate more speed than added weight with the CB shaft as long as you can replicate the launch conditions? Or would you just then add even more weight and go to a CB shaft?
I like your last suggestion to max out. Keep in mind same shaft (non-counter) with more head weight will most likely make that shaft perform differently in terms of how you deliver dynamic loft. HENCE why I'm always so hell bent on swing weight.
Good question BTW
@@trottiegolf cool thanks, quality vids!
Trottie, which customer shafts that Taylormade offer are counterbalanced?
I'm not sure but I know they offer CB. I'd have to study the list. Link in description sends you to the fitting page, the guys on there will be more familiar with the offerings
Didn’t you guys say the face of M5, SIM, SIM2 drivers was as hot as legally allowed? Those faces were made slightly above the USGA limit and “dialed back” just so that they are legal. Please explain how energy transfer of the new face is greater without violating USGA limit. More forgiving on off center hits, maybe, but more energy transfer, I need explanation.
Was that’s the Stealth plus head? I assume so with it being 8 degrees.
Yes
Didn’t manufacturers hit the USGA limited ball speed like 10 years ago? How can you claim the Stealth improves smash factor when it’s been maxed out for a while?
Because smash is energy transfer & the COR rule isn't being touched
Any idea when the rear weights will be available to buy and what gram options there are?
I do not know when available. 2G increments up to 8G then there is an 11 & a 13 but don't quote me
@@trottiegolf thank you! Play a Ventus Black 7-TX at 45 so I’ll be needing a heavier rear weight
@@garrettmckelvie 🤦🏻♂️
Hey trottie, great video! Would a player who is pretty steep with the driver benefit more from the lower spin head (stealth+) to shave some Rpm’s off? Currently in sim2 max 9 deg Tensei pro orange 70tx
Yes ….
@@trottiegolf thanks for the reply. When I got my fitting from the TM rep, my baseline launch was too low, and spin was too high. So we went with the max head and a really stiff shaft. But I still get the spinny one pretty often. Perhaps stealth+ would help cut some spin
@@jordancalanchini3496 that & delivery, ball, tee height
@@trottiegolf youd probably reccomend tee it higher right?
it's certainly not going to hurt from the limited information I've read thus far
Trottie, how the heck am I able to get that heavier TPS weight? I Ordered my stealth plus and I already have the Accra TZ CB shaft and already play at 46” so I wanted to try this but when I called TM they said no. Is there something special I have to do or what? Loving your videos!
I believe you have to go through the fitting and order the head at the specific weight
@@trottiegolf I gotcha, so since I already bought the driver I’m screwed or I’d have to pay $100+ for a fitting just to get the weight? Lol
@@ronl.6342 your issue is the wrench to remove the weight is bespoke , hence why we want guys getting fitted ideally
Hi Trottie, are you available at the Kingdom for a Driver fitting and if not you who would you recommend? Your content is amazing! Ted Douglas
Where are you based Ted?
@@trottiegolf Long Beach, Ca
@@tdouglas1234 hit up the link in the description and it'll throw you some options I'm sure
@trottiegolf Whats the standard headweight on the two Stealth models?
Also what's the overall deadweight mass (grams) on the final build for yourself that you are hitting?
Is there a deadweight you find optimum, what's too heavy, what's too light for you?
Assuming a 52g grip.
I always go off swing weight & head weight , I wouldn't have accurate dead weight figures for you sorry
@@trottiegolf what was your final head weight then? What's standard head weight on both models?
@@tigertim9232 I was around 198g no sleeve. I think it started at 193g ish no sleeve. Not saying that’s standard that’s just where I started at
@@trottiegolf thanks for reply 💯
Are the rear weights backwards compatible with sim2? Thanks
No
@@trottiegolf thankyou 👍
Does swingweight effect dynamic loft?
It certainly can as it impacts club delivery & shaft performance
Trottie, I’m in a Callaway Mavrik turned down to 8 and still hitting it 160 feet apex at 170 plus ball speed. What would be your suggestion in Stealth plus to improve overall distance? Love the videos and have learned a lot already! 👍
I’m not a pro but try a ball change, something lower launch, prov1, avx. And a shaft change
@@jordancalanchini3496 don’t hate either suggestion here. Work off a different tee height too to help change AOA
Mate 171 ball speed off 113 swing speed, can’t wait to see Rory’s 125 swing speed can produce
125 clubhead speed should give 189 ball speed. Maths FTW!
@@ocat1979 hawthorn suck
Check out Bry Roberts Long Drive trottie
What TSS weight do I need for a D5 swingweight in the stealth plus with a hzrdus smoke blue 60 6.0 shaft? Standard length shaft. Thanks
Can’t be certain on answer without measuring the shell weight
@@trottiegolf thanks for the reply.
Will you do my fitting please? :-)
Hi Trottie,
I have a 0.6 index, swing around 104mph and I'm very efficient with driver due to very positive aoa and very low spin. (Carry is king here in Manchester especially in winter) I'm currently using sim2 max 12° dialled down to 10.5° with a diamana s+ 62 x. I'm interested in trying to get gains in ball speed by using lower loft but I fear I won't produce enough spin. How do I increase spin loft?
If your AOA is shallow why are you using 10,5*? Speed will help too, using the ground for energy transfer
@@trottiegolf I tend to get my best results at my speed by pegging it up high and launching it around 17° with around 1700 back spin. My AOA is normally around 5° up with driver... I've hit my driver this way since pre launch monitor days. If I use less loft I get under 1000 back spin, which is why I use Max2 12° and have it dialled down to 10.5°🤷♂️
@@Erictheking66 what’s your dynamic loft? & smash factor ?
@@trottiegolf I don't go on LM very often but I found a GC2 screenshot of a drive from spring last year. Club speed 101mph, ball speed 147mph, efficiency 1.45, launch 14.9°, aoa 7.1° up, path 3.2° I-O, Carry 261 yards.
@@Erictheking66 Smash is the concern. You need to evaluate the AOA with either the loft you play or the way you deliver the club. With those digits you're not as efficient as you could / should be
why the fuck didn’t I see the channel of the coolest golf personalities in the freaking world. Double subbing hahaha !!
🤣 I’ve kept it as under the radar as I could 😎👊🏻
A 46" driver shaft, that would give me nightmares!
Driver face matches your bread!
🍞 🤷🏻♂️
Not surprising that Taylormade's top equipment guy swings a telephone pole for a driver.
After playing taylormade for 14 years EXCLUSIVELY...13 clubs in the bag by TM for 14 years, over 20,000$ spent with TM... my 2017 m1 cracked during a tournament(my first ever problem), contacted you guys to get it resolved and you all basically told me to kick rocks so I did and now don't have a single TM club in my bag... ping woods, srixon irons, Cleveland wedges, scotty putter...I STILL THINK TAYLORMADE MAKES THE BEST ON EARTH BUT AFTER BEING TREATED THAT WAY AFTER 14 YEARS OF LOYALTY..NAH THIS +3 IS OUT... my dream was to be sponsored by taylormade and literally play your clubs until I die... IF NOT FOR THE WAY I WAS TREATED I WOULD BE PLAYING ALL STEALTH, P7TW IRONS, MG3 WEDGES but shooting 67 at Pinehurst I guess my bag is fine... still wish that had never happened because I truly loved taylormade
I ain't playing 46"
nice look (?)
A lot of who shot John. Now we have to find a golfer who can actually use this appendage. 😂😂😂
Sorry not really a western guy 🤷🏻♂️
Surprised you’re playing 46” for a shorter guy.
Distance optimization. I've since backed it off back to 45.75" (I think), 46" is a lot for anyone, I think if you swing it well then the height doesn't matter. Woosnam is 45.75" EOG and he's a smaller fella