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Are Ryobi HP (high performance) battery powered cordless tools better than the standard 18v one+ Ryobi tools? Well, we all know that Ryobi claims these tools have more power and run longer. But do they really live up to the hype???
In this video I test and review the New Ryobi 18v HP compact 1/2 inch drill with a HP 2Ah one+ battery to see how they perform in the real world - trust me, the results are not what you expect.....
#KiteArmy 2021
Ryobi is the wal mart of power tools. Crap
I will give you that - but for weekend warriors it can work
@Arthur Wilk Makita, all I have used for 25 years.
Seen plenty of blue and green tools on jobsites over the years. Not the best but they don't pretend to be.
Match the tool to the profession/job. Ryobi gets the job done for most of us DIY homeowners. 15 years of Ryobi tools and never broke/wore out any of my tools. Many of my Ryobi tools only get used a few times per year. Modest jobs don't usually require contractor rated tools. Don't need a backhoe to weed the garden.
@@KitearmyRyobi is charging Milwaukee and Makita prices. Rather just buy those tools instead of this crap and I'm a DIYr
I didn't think the terminals were supposed to add battery life, just provide better preformance, like more torque. I'd be interested in you running the same test but with driving large lags to see the preformance difference.
That's on my to do list - so far preliminary testing does not look so good.
I agree with you according to my reading and also my experience with Ryobi the HP is for better performance like you say more torque better power not related to how much power (watts) the battery has.
I also agree. HP ("Performance") should be more power quicker like torque/speed. Not longevity..
Yeah this video didn't prove anything
Or perhaps to protect the tool and batteries for longer life...?
Many aspects of "performance". But - why doesn't Ryobi come out and tell us what it actually does?
The extra contacts provide higher current draw to the tool. This doesn't increase how many holes you can drill but will provide greater torque if you are drilling through something that has greater friction. Higher amp draw = greater torque.
Wrong. Those contacts are not power contacts. Open the thing and look. Thin wires to the internal circuit board. They might be monitoring the temperature of the battery pack/tool/who knows... but they do NOT carry operating power loads.
@@tvideo1189 Great point, I have never opened one up to look. It is so rare that maximum power is needed on one of my jobs. I don't care what they potentially do.
Exactly!
The best way to see if those contact batteries add more performance is to perform a torque test on the drill to see how much if any more torque is applied to say a fastener and make and average vs the non contact .
Thanks mate - I'm considering taking another stab at this test. Lets see
He sort of tested runtime though, which is at least part of the claim. But performance is obviously key for most people, and if there is performance improvements and same amount of work can be done, then that does point to some increased efficiency.
2ah is still 2ah when it's HP "enabled". however; the two extra connectors allows it to draw more energy when needed for high load. It should be able to complete heavier tasks without sweating.
right
but isn't 2ah still 2ah? that's where it's capped to, 2ah, that's as high as it will go. HP lasted the same 72 holes, that's how long the battery lasted in both cases. unless hp enable the battery to go over 2ah, right?
@@deciomms 2ah is TIME (amount of energy stored), 2 Amps/Hour...... Not "amps" (current draw)
So much misinformation here.
1) Those are two different drills the compact and non- compact ( you can tell by the Black plastic housing vs the metal silver one on the full size)
2) compacts don't use the extra contacts because they are not for bigger tough jobs where the tool needs the extra power draw.
3)HP terminals don't give you more run time so no shit you got the same amount of work done. the terminals prevent bogging down.
Thanks for comments - You could be right - I'm trying more testing
Is there a good technical explanation of how this is supposed to work. I.e. getting more watts out of the battery how exactly?
@@Juttutin non - that anyone has commented on
@@Juttutin well the communication ports are used for managing the motor, so for example if the motor cant drill out something it ask the battery, hey can u send me more power? So the amps increase and with them, the voltage also, so the drill has more power, not more runtime,unless that battery can break the laws of thermodynamics....
The terminals don't add battery life. It allows a higher discharge rate of the battery when needed. Thus more power available.
Right - more holes
My newer Ryobi HP tools outperform my older Ryobi non-HP tools. Better motors, better batteries. As a DIY weekend warrior, I might need to drill 4 holes with my drill. I really don't need the more expensive contractor rated tools. Ryobi gets the job done and saves me a lot of money. Are Ryobi HP tools worth the extra money? Probably not if your old drill is getting the job done. BTW, the newer LI/HP Ryobi batteries have brought new life to many of my older Ryobi tools from the Ni-Cad era 15 years ago. My old Ryobi tools work even better than when I bought them. Same battery format 25+ years. That's what I call value.
Yeah that is pretty cool - I still own some blue ryobi tools
I have a ton of Ryobi tools and use them for Work and home. True they are not the best. but for me the options of the tools were what sent me green. they actually have every tool I use no other company offered them all on the same battery platform. no other reason than that. and for me that was a big one.
Ryobi has it's place
Wait.. You thought that extra terminals somehow added more capacity to the battery? 😂😂😂
As others have mentioned the additional contacts you taped over are meant to deliver addition peak power to the tool which translates to more torque, the run time of the tool can't increase unless the Amp hours of the battery increase otherwise we would be breaking the laws of physics
Providing more torque with the same run time ... also breaks the laws of physics. The HP is a gimmick.
@@Critical-Thinker895 The runtime would decrease obviously
@@Critical-Thinker895so much for critical thinking
@@DB-bb5ll Little Mermaid really?
@@Critical-Thinker895 yup! Kids... Pretty good movie. You should check it out.
Used Ryobi tools for the last 10 years, never failed me before. The test is surprizing, is the HP pretending to provide more Bettray life? where does it say? don't quite understand the test.
Those terminals aren't designed to give you longer run time, it's supposed to improve performance when the tool needs it, which you even said going over their promotional material. Something along the lines of the battery delivering more power when the drill hits a harder part of the wood, for example.
I'd imagine the performance gains would be more noticeable out of the mower powerful HP batteries (especially something like the P195)
Yeah - I think at some point I would like to take another stab at this
but one battery was 1.5ah and the other 2.0ah so you got more holes right?
It says right on the battery housing what size battery to use with the drill. You ran a test using a battery that was smaller than the recommended size so it's no surprise why you feel there was no HP boost.
Just curious, did you measure how long it takes to make the 72 holes in each scenario? Sorry if you mentioned that in the video and I missed it
Great video ! Just from my experience in the hp hammer drill I use for ice fishing if I block the prongs the drill will cut out while drilling a hole through ice numerous times, when I unblock the prongs I can drill holes without any cut out. I have also used a regular battery and the drill cuts out but didn't with an hp battery I can really notice with more labor intense work. Not sure if this is true with other tools, but interesting video great work
Thanks mate - maybe it increase torque??? Though I did try the test with a huge hole saw blade and did not notice any difference between HP and non-HP battery....makes no sense to me
Exactly what I said its for proformance not run time read my comment I made before reading this and the drill will cut out if not enough power
My guess is the current cut out is electronically controlled and the hp batteries allow a higher current draw. Drawing to much current from a battery that can’t handle it will result in battery damage potentially dangerously so the tools cut out but So the go batteries might allow more current draw. It’s also possible the new hp tools can work this out without the terminals. Still I expect a measurable difference
@@techguy8571 There maybe some explanation - I guess that mean more testing
Interested to know if the brushless drill (which comes with 1.5ah) performs as well as the brushless if fitted with the 2ah battery. I believe Ryobi rates torque of brushed as 50Nm and 45Nm for brushless, in which case the extra pins may be slugging the battery. Slugging is like applying a tournequet, it slows down the flow of power to prolong the battery life. As the physical size is the same for 1.5 & 2.0 batts, are they getting extra life by restricting power delivery. This would be consistent with the lower torque rating of the brushless drill.
As some already stated, those ports are communication ports, and the wiring isn't for power draw, but is suspect they could give an information to the tool like "this is an HP battery, you can draw XX more amps fro instantaneous power", hence it'd require some torque measurement.
But i've also an HP angle grinder, and i noticed it's definately more powerful when using the 4Ah battery than the 2Ah (talking not about capacity, but actual instant max power, like losing only some speed VS totally stalling on the same hard material).
Have to test with the 4Ah battery with terminals covered to see maybe the tool would limit itself to the same power draw as with the smaller battery.
I didn’t think it would add longevity. I expect it to give the motor the go ahead to drive harder. Did you notice the drill speed improving, that’s what I figured would improve.
I tested with a hole saw - did not notice the difference
I was thinking more or less the same thing here. Was wondering why you didn't put a timer on how long it took to drill the 72 holes. If you were able to do them faster or more easily with the same run time, that's a big improvement.
@@Holdmuhbeer True - I should have done that....though I have to say I didn't notice a speed difference
To be honest, the test as it stands leaves a lot of variables out. Would be interesting to see if we could test torque and longevity, maybe try it with a battery that doesn't have the added ports then with the added ports instead of taping them.
@@Holdmuhbeer Sure - just a start. more testing to come
I thought the HP meant more power not more battery life.
You should be able to drill deeper and wider holes in harder wood. Not more holes.
I tested that as well and did not see that performance boost
Exactly the hp highproformance try this test with a bit that stresses the drill the non hp battery will make the drill stop and go into cut out mode while the hp battery will do the stressful test without going into cut out and the hammer drill you are calling a drill lmao has totally different specs the drill has 500 ft lbs and hammer drill 750 which is under rated so ive proved your theory wrong twice dont lead people on with a theory that is inaccurate for longer run time you get the high capacity battery for power you get the high proformance battery for over-priced batteries buy the black old batteries for the same price try this test and show the people the truth not conspiracy theory
@@TacticalThib Appreciate your comment :)
Think about what you said....it operates at peak performance. If I adjust my Jeep, Truck Motorcycle for peak performance, Im most likely not going to get better MPG's. I may have better torque or higher top end speed. Did your drill get the 72 holes done quicker? Did you bother to time it? It's so possible you didn't see much difference because the worl load wasn't different, the tool communicated no change was needed. Maybe drying in hardwood, knots, or something more challenging would have shown different results.
The terminals don't make the battery last longer. They deliver extra amps when needed by the tool.
Right
The terminals are not for longer runtime they are marketed for power performance. The tools will not be bogged down as they would with the standard battery.
Test coming to see if that is in fact true - let's see
As so many commenters have pointed out, the 'performance increase' should be in higher power delivery, not battery capacity or power efficiency. Why you haven't taken down this vid yet is beside me.
Interesting would like to see this on other tools as well..
Me too! Are you surprised?
So I just got the HP Compact a couple weeks ago. So far I am not a fan of the brushless, but my older brushed versions are so much better, so far. There is very poor low speed startup torque. E.g. if you are needing to slowly thread a screw, it cuts out. I can full trigger and it starts but who needs that, the work will be a mess. I tried the same on my buddies new Ridged, same thing. Everyone are doing these test with balls to the wall speed and torque but lest do it with very slow controlled startup speed and see what happens.
Totally agree!
The better performance is how fast you can drill the holes not how many holes you can drill. I've personally done this test on my circular saw and the difference is very substantial.
interesting - I'm continuing to test this
You should have timed yourself on how long it took to drill 72 holes. There is no magic that can increase the amount of power in the battery, however how fast that energy can be accessed can change.
The terminals were not supposed to add battery life, just provide better performance, like more torque on impact wrench P262, i tested and it made a differenc and it protect the battery from heating
Extra terminals deliver better performance not longer run time.
I bought that drill...specs say the torque is more than the old brushed ones. Well, for drilling holes or putting in screws it does work good...but I also often use my drill to spin over 100-150cc motors, and the brushless drill WON'T do that. Whenever the speed controller senses enough of a load, it cuts power...where the brushed ones just keep chugging on through, spinning the motor past top dead center. Now, this is not a normal use of a drill, but I expected the brushless to do it better, not fail completely. They probably have sensorless brushless motors..which need to spin a tad before the speed controller can really ramp them up...put enough load at low speed and they will "cog". That can damaged the motor and speed controller. This may not be an issue in other types of tools, and my new drill does do standard drilling jobs just fine. But, I really would have done just as well to find a used brushed model on facebook for probably under $40, than spend $150 for the brushless one.
interesting - i wonder if other brands would have the same problem
My Ryobi drill/screwdriver does NOTHING but I have the basic battery that came with the drill/screwdriver. I suspect when I thought I was getting a bargain that I just purchased the cheapest drill in the range that struggles to do anything. Thanks you for this video/review. it is well worth watching all these reviews from someone who is independent, since I often wonder about the comments on the product, reviews. Is the manufacturer putting those one to boost sales?
Good to have some level of distrust Check this one out: th-cam.com/video/-Ez6XISMdIw/w-d-xo.html&lc=UgwTQ6mQOG_fHPzsedF4AaABAg.9SWf4vNvMbZ9SoK1yaOoNk
Next time this test is done electrical tape should be used instead of duct tape. Duct tape has some ability to pass power through it. (sorta doubtful this happened, but it might have.) If the tool communicated through the duct tape, it would have communicated both times and your test would show the same thing.
It’s not about more holes, it about faster RPM’s and power to drill through thicker items easier.
It's always about more holes
@Arthur Wilk you might have missed that subtle joke - no joking with Ryobi fanboys
@Arthur Wilk Yikes - dude should I send you some money so that you can own some real tools. Stop being so blind - Ryobi is made in China and they don't care about you. Stop being such a blind lemming
@Arthur Wilk Sounds like you just regurgitate BS - whatever you see at the Ryobi Arts and Crafts nerd club. BTW - can I interest you in a Ryobi sticker????
@Arthur Wilk I'm ignorant alright. But I have to let you in on a little secret - you see, you are a mark. I tell you to jump and you jump. I tell you to comment and you comment. Google analytics watch - and my video just keeps cranking.
Most people catch on by the 100th comment - not you pal :)
I think they literally just added the tabs would be interested in a disassembly of the tool and the battery to see if the cells are different than the regular battery... and for the drill if the tabs are even connected.
I'm able to make perfect sense of HP tools but they definitely need to label thier shit better. And also all those people saying ryobi is shit. I dare you to get the new HP hammer drill and 3 speed impact kit and come back.
agreed
I don't understand why you compared the runtime, but came up with the conclusion of performance. You stated yourself that the extra terminal is giving the tool extra power, so it's actually GOOD that the extra power didn't reduce the runtime. Ryobi did a good job there!
can't have extra power and not reduce run time. Otherwise you a breaking the laws of physics
@ Peter I agree, I believe the extra power kicks in under heavy load. It does drain the battery faster however delivers more performance. Its not breaking physics as you still get the same capacity. 1.5AH % 1.5A = 1 hr and if it draws more 1.5AH % 3A = 30 min however there is more loss the greater the draw.
@@KCreations4You right - but more power takes more energy (in this case battery energy)
@Kit Exactly you say you are measuring performance but in your video your measuring runtime. If we both had the same car capable of going 400 miles to a tank and you can only use 1/4 of the throttle and I can only use 100% you go furthure but mine will PERFORM higher.
He need to do a thicker piece of wood...do 5inch depth hole instead of a 1inch depth hole. That will give a better indication of power, also did he time how long it took(5min compared to maybe 4min with the new battery to do the same job)....good start but better tests need to be done.
I have seen other tests on other TH-cam channels that conclusively prove that the HP batteries have higher capacity than the standard batteries of the same A/H rating especially under long term steady load such as powering one of Ryobi work lights. Many people seem to confuse what can be termed as power
Do a test with two drill bits maybe the drill bit got a little dull on your second test
No doubt it did - so maybe with a new bit it would have done 73 holes - not sure I would call that a significant improvement
I think your test on the drill and battery actually brings up more questions than it answers. The test here shows each configuration drilling the same amount of holes with the brushless tool. I'd love to see the comparison with the HP battery in the non-brushless tool. Are brushless tools really any better for most DIY'ers? Your other (saw) comparison clearly shows the HP batteries are NOT worth the premium price compared to the standard 18V batteries, which are half the price. I like your videos though! As for comparing Ryobi to Dewalt, Makita, or Milwaukee... The probelem many of us find ourselves in is that we've committed to whatever brand and have multiple tools, so changing to another brand becomes a nightmare in costs, or a nightmare in all the different batteries and chargers we would have to keep around.
I agree - more questions than answers
I'm curious to know if the elapsed time to drill the 72 holes varied between runs. Did it seem that the drill worked "quicker" with the terminals connected?
I would guess about the same time
I think you're getting it wrong. My understanding is that HP with terminals drill through faster than without using the terminals. Other though would have been less number of holes for the HP terminals due to high, supposedly, higher battery draw.
That is what people are saying in the comments - not sure it true
@@Kitearmy then you better test it..ha
@@ChengSAE I was scared you would say that... :(
Do u think adhesive may have prevented positive contact ?
Work in equals work out. Whatever energy is stored inside the battery at full charge will always be given in work done by the drill (this case 72 holes). It's like emptying a tank filled with water through a pipe. Whether the pipe is fully opened of half open, the same volume of water will come out each time. With that said, the difference will be the time taken to complete the 72 holes which will be as a result of a higher torque.
are you sure about that? because the torque power is 18v, regardless the ah. Then, 2ah is 2ah, that's the maximum amperes it can deliver in an hour, so what is that extra performance? I'm really trying to understand this
unless it does not have continuous performance and the power is reduced to keep a running time, then it should be the same. if it does not have continuous performance, then you are right, and in once case the power is reduced but it will still do the 72 holes but will take longer, and in the HP case it will have continuous performance and will be depleted much faster.
4ah just means it can dump more energy into the turning. Instead of drilling holes try pulling specifically torqued bolts consecutively. Also 2 amp batter could be the same mah as a 1 amp. I learned this from vape batteries on mechanical mods. . It's like how portable phone recharging packs may both be high speed or quick charge but one has 14k mahs vs 7k.
Getting to the truth you will find the 2 amp battery will take a heavy pound per square inch torqued bolt faster than a 1 amp battery.
As it goes for weed whackers 4 amp and 6 amp batteries just spin the wire or blades faster. So amps is like horse power (HP). But mahs is the size of the gas tank.
Only older HP tools had the extra prongs. Newer ones don't. It's built into the tool on how it gets the extra power.i thought everyone knew this
I wonder if someone has taken the drill apart and see if the contacts actually go somewhere
I think you are missing the point. There is capacity and there is power. The HP series adds more power to tools. I have several HP tools and HP batteries and notice a big difference between the power of the HP and non HP batteries. My 6ah battery will last as long as my 4ah non HP battery. But the power difference is huge. My 4ah non HP battery (in an HP brushless 7 1/4 inch saw) will bog down if I push it too fast. But the 6ah battery in the same saw will make it hard to bog down and just flies through the cuts. But as the laws of physics dictate, more power requires more energy. So a 4ah non HP will last as long as the 6ah HP battery, but it will cut faster due to the increased power.
Was it faster/more powerful?
Whats the price difference between HP and non HP bare tool?
Open that new drill and see if those terminals are connect it
Funny - that crossed my mind. Makes you wonder
My thoughts exactly
@@Jaspstudio At this point, I sort of would expect that
They are connected to a bord that controls voltage control what it does is it sends more power from the hp battery when it senses stress
@Arthur Wilk lmfao 🤣 😂 💀 hey authur put a 1.5 ah on your circ saw and give me a cut time 🤣 make sure its the brushless hp
I suspect you're looking at this wrong... Think chipped printer ink cartridges and apple products... These batteries are a step along the road to tools that will purposefully degrade performance when using non-genuine OEM batteries. This is just getting the groundwork done. That said, I'm sure that tool-battery communication will allow some optimisations, like limiting power draw if the battery starts to heat up, rather than just shutting down for some random number of minutes the way my Ryobi brushless reciprocating saw does.
who knows what they do
I just want to mention I drilled in steel for a week and it stopped working. I took it apart and found metal shavings in the motor magnetics. I cleaned them out and it started working again
fair enough - metal shaving will cause a world of problems
@@Kitearmy a great little drill over all
@@jasonvandervalk3679 sure is
Wow, that's weird. I wonder how many holes you could drill with the new battery on the old model. Or for that matter, with the old battery on the old model, or the old battery on the new model. lol I see a lot of saw dust in your future :D
or the old model without any battery..... :)
That concept works...at least for the tools that came with the ni-cad battery. Massive improvement when you used the lithium battery on the old dying blue tools(hand saw was actually usable).
@@lastlime3792 True
According to TTI the new HP 18v Brushless Tools has the HP tech built into the tool now, as well as providing the HP batteries to compliment. I get the same return from my P108 and the P197 and PBP004 and yes even the newer lithium PBP005. It does matter what the application is being used for but the batteries are even. The only difference is the Samsung vs Sony vs Evo Ten whatever. The first two seem to keep a longer shelf life. Remember to always follow safety protocol.
So basically, it's a BS. thanks. I might as well go for the cheaper last year's model rather than spending extra money on 2 useless prongs.
Those are some expensive prongs
NOT BS. Check out VCG Construction video at th-cam.com/video/pYlqYACq3q8/w-d-xo.html. Huge difference using larger HP batteries on the HP Brushless tools - WHEN - you need high torque like in his demonstration of driving long lag bolts into planks of wood. Only in high torque/heavy load situations will you see the benefit of the HP tools and batteries.
Thing is it should have done less due to faster drain. The hp terminals give out more power when tool is stressed not save power
Right
I think you’re basically measuring the capacity of the battery with that test. I would also be surprised if those communication terminals would change the capacity of the battery. I wonder if the torque changes when those terminals are utilised?
That is true - going to retest this winter
Perhaps the terminals aren't actually connected to anything?
Great work dude covering up marketing crap!
Appreciate it!
Actually, that was suspected before. There is a post on Reddit.
Cool
Additional battery contact is not going to increase the size of your wood board for you to drill more than 72 holes....
You probably should show us if there is any differences in speed when drilling those 72 holes.... 😮💨
Did you use a new bit
The reason the drill didn't show a difference is because the compact series make it so every battrey makes I preform like a HP battrey. One is the HP compact series with it built in and the other is the pro line that has the contacts. Also HP has nothing to do with run time, 9AH HP is leak performance.
Odd this model has the contacts - why have it if it does nothing?
@@Kitearmy You really only start noticing a difference with a 3AH HP or higher the 1.5 and 2.0 AH are mostly just there to exist and a way for cheaper kits, I only really use a 4AH anyway so I dont care lol
Nice job
Thanks!
Why would it drill more holes? a 2Ah Lithium battery is a 2Ah Lithium battery. "Communication terminals" don't magically give it more juice for a longer life. If anything, on the high output tools, using real batteries (let's face it, 2Ah and under are for feeding to lights and radios) the "communication terminals" tell the tool that it can kick up its amp draw, for more torque. That would result in roughly the same progress, just at a faster rate.
Now, I'm not saying the cute, little compact HPs necessarily benefit from the extra terminals but they _definitely_ won't see any notable gains when using an anemic, 2Ah battery (regardless of terminals). I have one of the original HP compact drills, without the terminals. When I want performance (torque) gains, I put a 6Ah or 9Ah battery on it. It doesn't matter that it doesn't have extra terminals because the bigger batteries have more cells and thus, output more peak amps.
If you want to test the max output of the drill, use a real battery, with and without the terminals covered. Even the 3Ah HP (21700 cells) would be a much better tester than that little 2Ah. 4Ah or better would only help to amplify the the difference, if there is one.
You are correct
I have Ryobi, DeWalt, and other brands. The Ryobi tools have some reduced usefulness in certain applications, i.e., the light does not stay on, less compact. However, they always seem to have higher peak torque when you need it most.
for the price they are okay
People don’t like to have the wool pulled over their eyes! Thank you for exposing these cheaters!
Klaus
I wouldn't want to call them cheaters - maybe their is a good explanation
@Arthur Wilk Lots of buzz words - no meaning.
@Arthur Wilk I stay away from the green cool-aid you have been drinking
@Arthur Wilk The laughing stock of Ryobi fanboys??? You think Dewalt, Hilti, Milwaukee owners don't laugh at you guys and your cute little green toys. I have been on the group for a week and seen people making mugs with Roybi on it???? Painting their garage green and black??? Making cute little Ryobi stickers. It's like Ryobi arts and crafts...
@@Kitearmy oh boy, we see your true colors in this reply. Big oof.
If you want your channel getting any momentum, it won't happen if you are clearly biased out the gate and get into bickering bouts with online trolls.
I'm sorry I'm sorry but making one flawed and single test and then making an all-encompassing statement is pretty bad. What you need to do is to see if the power increased not longevity. So what you need to do is pick something where you're drilling like a bolt or some other thing into a really thick hard piece of wood and see how far it will drive it into the wood with and then how far it will drive it into the wood without. I bet you the contacts will make those lag bolts go into the wood deeper
Yep - working on that test now - still does not look good
I dont really understand y ppl bash ryobi things, I use the older brushed units and they work fine for wht I need. Thinking abt getting the 750 inlb hammer drill or might keep the 600 unit I have (idk yet) and maybe getting a couple other things. Ig it’s just preference.
I like some ryobi tools too - I just call them out when the exaggerate their performance
Just found this video. Great idea, great video and something I wandered about.. My guess is the additional contacts on the new model drill are fake (not connected). The additional contacts on your circular saw on the other video are connected electrically. Possibly high current applications or applications when the current draw varies greatly during the use (circular saw some others) and the battery pack can adapt to the changes and increases performance.
We need someone to take apart a hp battery and a hp tool to see what the two extra terminals connect too?? Reading other comments it seems ryobi's definition of high power mean higher torque! Which is misleading!
I'm tempted - working on another Ryobi HP video - so far not looking good for Ryobi
Ya, I don't see how more connections would drive the motor to be easier to longer to drill.Wouldnt you need more force generated by a stronger battery? And even if then, what power does the motor cap out at? Seems like a scam to make money on an otherwise remarkable tool.
I'm sure that in some lab somewhere, someone was able to demonstrate a improvement in performance
This might be above my pay grade, but could the masking tape of conducted electricity and the terminals were still active and working?
Good question - I would lean towards, very very very unlikely.
How about trying electrical tape?
@@richardallanruperto2092 The duct tape I used is made of PVC - the same stuff that electrical tape is made of
How about testing the tool with normal lithium battery (non HP) to see if the battery is bringing anything to the table!
Its not ment to make the battery last longer , it is suppose make the tool output more tourqe
Busted!! You are the Best!!! Great video and I always love the comedy parts (terminal) you throw in to entertain your mates.
Thanks mate - love your support
How is it busted is this a high compasity battery or a high output battery? You guys are seriously confused..... more ah more power. And hp batteries make a huge difference in tool power when used with proper techniques and proper drilling tools know the 750 inch pound limit when Milwaukee is 1200 foot lbs the hammer drill has limits but by far is the most powerful hammer drill ryobi has ever made hands down. So as your brains are melting and hopefully you finally understand or you do and its clickbait. Lmao 🤣
The battery thing is kind of funny, its like they just added meaningless terminals just for the marketing department.
Ryobi is great if you use your tools a few times a year. That way the whole tool set isn't costing you $100 per use case.
Duct tape is NOT electrically insulating. I suggest you try it with electricians tape. Now, it’s probably a low current signal, so this might not be the reason, but to be fair...
Edit: the gray color of standard duct tape is made from powdered aluminium, which is obviously conductive.
There is some duct tape with aluminum backing - that would probably be fine for this application. However I can assure you that plastic and cloth duct tape that I used in this video was not allowing those ports to communicate.
@@Kitearmy it’s always cloth for duct tape, I certainly didn’t mean metal register tape. I just meant the grey color comes from powdered aluminium. I was always taught that duct tape was completely inappropriate for electrical work because it is conductive.
@@cguy96 Not to say that you are wrong but I looked it up and unanimously people said it is not conductive
@@Kitearmy ok, I am really going on and on about this when I really don’t know this has any effect. So one last comment, only because it’s a really easy way to confirm or deny. Put the duct tape back on over the contacts and put a multimeter probe on each terminal and measure the resistance. If it is close to infinity, then there is no conductivity. And now I will say no more 🥴
Hey are you going to do a comparison of the new dual blade Ryobi with the EGO select cut?
Working on it right now......
u r doing it wrong...the HP dont mean it gives u a bigger battery capacity. what it could mean is it drill faster with less time, or better torque, thats wat u should be testing
Hey, instead of just taping the contacts can you do the test with a standard battery compared to an HP? This will clarify if the battery does make a difference but the contacts just aren't necessary.
Good suggestion
I guess the question is, did it bog down?
I choose between Dewalt DCD701D2 and Ryobi ONE+ HP RDD18C.
What do you advise?
Milwuakee
All HP tools mean is high performance in one case an original Ryobi tool all uses brush motors and of course brush motors burn out brushes in time they use up more energy and more power and that's less performance so an HP stands for high performance all this truly means it's nothing to do with the batteries all that truly means is the motor type in this case hp's use brushless motors therefore longer battery life and more power and longer lasting motor life that's all HP means it has nothing to do with the batteries because the 4 amp hour battery is a 4 amp hour battery I mean there's nothing you can do to add or change that so when people are like well what's the difference between the HP tool and the original tool while you're buying an original motor with the original tool and you're buying a brushless high performance motor when you buy the HP tool that's all this means
Bus that tool open and see if those connections go anywhere, or if they just butt up against plastic and they’re there for looks, and if they look like they are connected to a motor run a voltmeter through it and see if it’s actually doing anything
tempting
Let me get one thing straight cause I’m new I want to get ryobi tools , so for any Hp + one all ryobi batteries even the none more powerful ones with those extra two pins on the back of the battery will work ( and fit ) their regular and hp + one tools ? As I saw you tested this test w the (hp+one correct me if I’m not saying the model one battery correct hehe ) not the regular press fit on so that’s why I’m confused . And how is the warranty and performance and longevity of the older non brushless tool models I wanted to get the brad nailer but the brush seems to last a while but losses power ( I guess the compressed air ) and the new brushless is at decent price any ideas how reliable they are ? Now about those pins you mention Other brands do it so their tools only work for their batteries but knock off have copy the idea and bypass but the reality is that the cells inside are the $$ so yeah , in this case I could say maybe but maybe it add extra rush current but since it has the same AH the job done by the tool will last the same and the only difference will be changing or upgrading from brush motor tools to brushless that’s all, in my opinion…
Testing was flawed. The limit of the number of holes was the size of the planks. At no moment was there any confirmation fully draining the batteries. Also as others have mentioned Ryobi are claiming better performance as in more torque. Drilling holes and not measuring torque was the wrong strategic experiment.
The pins are either for protection, or are connected to nothing
Terminals are not connected to motor
Compare the HP brushless with the non-hp brushless
Good point
The compact HP drill doesn't need the extra power . The full size version does with it's extra power.
Does it have the contacts
@@Kitearmy I recently got myself that top ryobi drill (95nm) and it has the contacts, the contacts on the battery and tools are there to provide more current so the tool has more power.
Two things what do the extra ports really do? Second on the the new drill with ports, are they connected to anything. Opinion I think the two ports modulate the power delivery to protect the battery. It might not be any more powerful but it should have a longer life span. That is opinion not fact.
Good point - though Ryobi says that it ads power (not sure that i saw that)
Great video - to me this seems like marketing BS. I'm somewhat a "battery enthusiast". The cells are what matter, the only benefit I can see with extra terminals is more surface area for the battery contacts which could allow more current through if there's a restriction on the standard terminals. So for example if the standard battery terminals allow 12 amps of current through at 18 watts and with the additional terminals you can now pull 16 amps at 18v I would consider that an improvement. But in a comparison test if you're drawing more current you would theoretically see more power in the holes, as the expense of runtime. That's why most power tool 18650 cells are around 2,000mAh - because it's a sweet spot between the amount of current available and capacity. That I'm aware of there's no circuitry in any battery that would be able to "communicate" with a tool differently and somehow unlock cheat mode.
I'm with the BS thing as well
Go read what the extra terminals do.. So this is BS
A teardown is all you can use to tell if they do or don't. It might allow higher torque or not. It may not allow higher lifetime of use. But a teardown would show if the contacts are fake... or if they (as I suspect) only allow thicker wire contact, for higher amps, *when* the tool draws them. That's all. No difference, just larger contacts. :P
Did you get a new bit for the second test? It takes more power as the bit wears.
nope - good point
Could he drag the video even longer out??
Ryobi's HP is lighter and more compact than a lot of what's out there. At 6.4” in length, it's 30% smaller and 20% lighter than Ryobi's own brushed version. Yet it has all the features you'd expect from a more traditional model.
So it could be that you miss the point about what HP really is about.
could be - or maybe you did
Just curious, were you able to drill the 72 holes any quicker with the terminals uncovered than when they were covered?
By "better power up" perhaps they are referring to speed/power over longevity?
Just a thought.
No - I could not tell the difference - who knows what they meant