That was a brilliant point. But they are, REALLY young. And in this day and age the credentials that people ask for are getting higher and higher. Economic power, and by extension social power, is robbed from the youth, especially Black youth.
Also let us mention that his valid point of the leaders of the 60s-70s were killed. Coupled with mass incarceration and murder, the leaders of the older generation were weeded out to create a massive loss in leaders in the black community. It is REALLY hard to start/continue a movement when your predecessors don't exist to give advice and leadership. You have to start from scratch again.
The guy was saying there are no current civil rights leaders compared to the grandparent generation and that's kinda true. Who of the current generation is comparable to Martin Luther King Jr or Malcolm X? Modern civil rights movements are more nebulous. That's not a bad thing per se, but I get what the guy meant in that there are no similar leaders to follow today.
I get what she was saying, at the same time she is wrong. MLK was arrested. Malcolm X arrested. Fred Hampton Arrested. All the Black leaders who have made and strove for true change have been arrested. It is the response of the opposition.
Skipp was so understanding and compassionate to the teens. The others were certainly listening but he seemed to go out of his way to encourage them and lift them up. It's truly nice to see older people reaching out this way.
When the lady talked about hurting them with money it’s so true the government is never gonna pay attention until the money goes down that’s all they think about is money not people
That's why the civil rights in a way hurt the black community where before the civil rights theres black own stores that would only serve blacks and they couldn't compete with bigger box chains stores because of secregarion so there was a black economy and wealth made by blacks was spent in the black community they dint really need the whites that all ended after the civil rights movement because black owned businesses had to compete with big companies and that is basically impossible all that happen is black people wealth and ownership was being taken away from them
What money, you meen the taxes that you all paid. Well, that's a really good idea, to burn the money that belongs to you and everybody else in the community 🙃
No not true. These businesses have insurance that put the cost on everyone else. You'd basically just be attacking random people who may have no issues witg black people, but may develop them after being attacked. Any "support" recieved from corporations now is totally artificial- just another way to swindle your money from you.
Can we get a whole hour of Cynthia talking about her life. She is fascinating and seen amazing things from around the world but also experienced the worst things with the lost of her family. She has experience travel and trauma to back everything up.
Cynthia-" It's all about the money, hurt them in the wallet." I strongly agree. people can protest, kicking and screaming till their heart is content, but it won't change anything. unless they stop buying their name brands, giving them views, and supporting their social media outlets. Since everything is about looks and value, They will always put money in their wallets.
I get what you are saying but the way sad but true our world works a lot of these people are older..the younger gen is learning and it’s becoming a trend to be successful and motivated, but..that’s just going to resegregate America and also end of the day high up that ladder is Predominately (I’m not racist my kids mixed) but the majority that controls the overall money is white and old….
I literally hate the “you act white” or “you’re too white to be a black girl” “you talk so white” it’s SO ANNOYING!!! Like what tf do you mean!? Is there a certain way I have to act because I’m black!? I’ve even heard my parents say “you talk so white” when they don’t even talk “black” themselves, I’ve had my friends say it to me, it’s hella annoying. And just because I talk a certain why doesn’t mean I’m trying to be any less black or be something else, I’m proud to be black. Edit: I am in no way trying to put white people down or say that they’re bad or that I hate them, not at all! I am simply sharing my experience, and there’s nothing wrong with loving who you are, no matter your race.
@Imperial exactlyyyy! It is! And we aren’t monolithic, we aren’t all the same and people need to realize that. By not acting the cookie cutter black doesn’t mean we’re trying to be any less black.
I don't understand why formality relates to being white(? Or being articulated(? Like if I tell you you're articulated it's because not many people is (regardless of ethnic background). Changing your vocabulary in work to be formal happens everywhere
@@cojinmango it’s when people say “you’re so articulate for a black girl” or “you sound so white”. For years in America it was believed that “black people don’t know how to read” “black people don’t talk right”, “black people are so unprofessional” etc. so when someone comes across someone who doesn’t fit those certain parameters of being black, everyone assumes you’re trying to be white because “white people are so articulate” “they’re the smartest in the world” etc. It gets really old really quickly, black peoples aren’t monolithic, we aren’t all the same, and just because we don’t act stereotypically black, doesn’t mean we’re trying to be something else.
I love Cynthia. The way she mentions losing her son and husband. And about keeping self control. Like golly, her strength is inspirational. Pray for her family.
I saw it a little different. I saw a black woman displaying so much “strength” that she wouldn’t sit with the rest when asked if she had trauma, even though her tears were from her trauma. Reminded me of the matriarchs in my family who’s default was strength because for them at that time it had to be.
@@cambriaplusmodel I see what you’re saying but I think she’s honestly at peace with what has happened, yeah she might cry and be upset for a while but healing is when you can openly speak about something like this and she has reached acceptance
She said she had to keep it cool. That was LITERALLY why we have the term "cool" because black folks HAD TO keep it COOL under the most trying circumstances.
@@hzjohnson1632 i actually think that's a myopic view of things. If ALL you can see are the drug dealers and not the ways that POLITICS FAIL COMMUNITIES WHICH LEADS TO PEOPLE NEEDING TO SELL DRUGS TO MAKE MONEY, you'll NEVER understand why the drug dealers are out there in the first place
People have no understanding of how bad that time was. We’re much better off now, but even the openly racist decades before that had way less violence.
The crips was gang violence, what does that have to do about institutional racism of the US? That is more to do with a violent mob group gaining power in a community, just like the whiskey mobs of the NE with Capone.
@@magicmakerify white ppl can be as emotional they want and gets seen as human we do it and it’s wrong. plz let go of the standard that i have to be better for my people cs i already got a burden to cary🤦🏽♀️
@@destinycardoso4820 Those emotional white people generally don't make it far, and neither will you. No one cares about your feelings, you're an adult and you're expected to act like one
This is definitely the best middle ground. Everyone is so well spoken and calm. It’s so refreshing, especially when so many people on this just yell at each other.
Don’t blame us we were taken long ago and been through years of indoctrination. We all share the same blood but we have totally similar yet different mindsets. I can’t sit here and act like Africa is all secure either tho. The colonizers made there way everywhere, they completely drain Africa of its resources and honestly that hurts more than the slavery they put us through. To still be violating us as a race.
I love how Skipp apologized at the end and admitted that he had preconceived notions about the young people. This was a good video. I like when I watch these videos I will debate with myself if I agree or disagree with what is said.
"you can't control everything, but you can control how you react to it, and you have got to get yourself under control or you will lose yourself" - Cynthia
that one older lady with glasses is so wise. I learned from her that it is important to do things thoughtfully today while looking at the product of our actions in the long term.
I like her too. It was horrible that she couldn’t get a job when she was younger because she had an AFRO and looked “ too militant “. That is some crap. ITS JUST HAIR!
When Mr Skipp was explaining to them how they ARE the leaders, pointing out how young MLKjr and Malcom X were when they died...it brought tears to my eyes. He is explaining that with such passion and hope in his voice to such YOUNG people ❤️❤️❤️
@@dathip those people say a lot of things that tear down the black community and other communities. In my opinion this is what makes them not leaders. Please pay attention to the in my opinion part.
@@tj5087 I don’t think a great conversation comes from watching someone you agree with, I think it comes from being able learn from the one who’s talking. No slight to the kids, but their opinions can be found by any vocal advocate on social media. I’d much rather have the opportunity to learn from an intelligent women who has decades of world experience than kids who’s beliefs will change drastically over the next decade
@@uncleiroh4650 This right here, civil discourse is the backbone of society, we can agree to disagree and still be friends, Ive seen many in this era cut off friends and even family because of politics and beliefs, that desperately needs to change.
It's a played out stereotype that has lead to medical apartheid (which, unironically, is also the title of a great book), mental health biases, discrimination, and misdiagnoses, police manhandling women, and men of all races viewing black women are less feminine and deserving of little to no respect -- who can go through life while simultaneously carrying the weight of the world on their shoulders alone, etc.. So no, the phrase needs to die with that generation.
@@chicagoliightsx thank you! That “strong black woman” stereotype is not a compliment, it’s a statement that is used to dismiss the mistreatment and strip black women away from their femininity.
I already felt chills when skippp said he sees leaders right in front of him then cynthias personal takes had me tearing up. She made valid points despite her having rebuttals
I would’ve liked to see a black millennials .. maybe someone in their early 30s on the panel... HONESTLY but this was a good decision . Black millennials have been trying soo hard to fight the system . And we get ignored so much
@@Unap0l0getic I actually agree. There were points that she made that came off like she was taught that and didn’t look into it further but I didn’t want to come at her lol
@@Unap0l0getic I agree. Their passivity held them back. Also not acknowledging that their leaders were there not just to lead, but to teach their peers to have the same strength. Too many people following weren't really willing to put in the work.
Most people in America today have no conception of what trauma or PTSD actually is. You’ll probably read this and say “you have no idea what other people have been through” but it’s definitely an insult to people in combat and first responders to say that you have PTSD from society or something
PTSD doesn’t only stem from being in the military, so I hope that’s not what you are trying to suggest. If you look at the definition there is no mention of military. “Traumatic experiences” doesn’t only mean having to shoot someone during a military service.
@@jimmy8213 That's your interpretation. It is possible to obtain PTSD outside of the military. You can gain it from any significant stressful event in your life. The stress itself will return after that event as a result of its trigger. You can interpret their PTSD or their claim of it as an insult but you don't get to invalidate their experiences.
@@BlackStar-hy1iy bro I just said not just the military. But yes I can say that PTSD isn’t just picked up from being in America. There are people outside of the military like I said 2 times. But they sure as hell aren’t people that get called “monkey” under TH-cam videos by trolls. That’s so messed up to equate the two
The DSM says it is impossible to get APT SD diagnosis without being there physically in the traumatic event Just because something upset you doesn't mean you have ptsd
It’s really a shame, I’m multiracial myself (dad was black, mom is white) I’m basically just grouped into being black, and seeing so many examples of black people ive met who just showcase the stereotypical “ghetto man”, that even I tend to forget to not let the bad apples in groups set the idea for the rest in my head (I mention this because my dad pasted away when I was young and now as a 19 year old in college I’ve never had the black community in my life, only my moms side)
I'm white, and my 65 year old grandad is looking almost as old as my 45 year old dad. Surprisingly he has some very thick hair for an age where your hair should be thinning for some.
I dont like the idea of 'who has it harder'. Every generation has its own struggles. *Let's just recognise them without making a competition out of it*
Yes, the domestic violence analogy is very fitting. Black soldiers returning from the World Wars, thinking surely I haved proved myself to be a worthy American, a patriot, only to return to a country that still abuses them, just as a domestic abuse victim can't do anything to prove themselves worthy of being treated with love.
I cannot tell you how much I love, appreciate and respect these conversations. It brings so much awareness and thought to people watching even from other countries.
I really like how Cynthia would say, "I understand how you feel and why you feel" before saying something. That alone tells you a lot about her. Huge kudos to her.
She is great. The way she responded about the people struggling in the Phillipines was so thoughtful. I was thinking the same but could never say it so nicely. The young woman says her family there is happy there when she visits. Sweetie you "visit" there. You don't live that life nor would you choose to do so. You are first generation privileged that your mom moved away.
These kind of grandparents are high-key rare in the black community, wise & most importantly: They're LISTENING. Just....The knowledge they were spilling, I loved it. The real disconnect between generations is that the younger ones want to say & be loud with everything. The older generations aren't willing to listening to what is being said, instead they listen to respond and not absorb. That's where we usually lose the plot when talking with each other, as people born in different eras and raised in different worlds.
That isn't specific to the black community. A lot of the older people in my family, and family friends listen to repond, and sometimes they don't even listen, sometimes they listen to one sentence and cut you off by responding without letting you finish your full thought. I feel that's something that their generation had instilled into them, basically that if you're older you have more life experience and therefore have more knowledge, and if you're young you should be seen not heard and 'you do as i say not as i do'.
@@wb624 Not being rude, but I think they are aware it isn't only in the Black community. I think they are just pointing out the black community since they are from the Black community and may not want to speak for other races and how they deal with stuff even if many races may deal with alot of stuff similary I do agree with you about alot of older people being that way though.
Can we just stop for a moment and appreciate how respectful and wholesome this whole convo was it's so nice for a change. Jubilee needs to have more videos with this kind of vibe if I'm honest
@@John9tv Not really.., they might be the quiet kids but that doesnt mean they dont have anything to say in their minds. And they could've been changed throughout the years. I was the quiet kid but Ive always had so many things in my mind but just didnt really have a chance to talk abt it and Ive changed a lot since then.
I think this episode was not a typical "Middle Ground" episode but just a regular discussion. I overall still enjoyed the episode! Reminds me of myself talking to my grandparents about their upbringing/life experiences.
I would’ve liked to see a black millennials .. maybe someone in their early 30s on the panel... HONESTLY but this was a good decision . Black millennials have been trying soo hard to fight the system . And we get ignored so much
@@Tttttttttttttttt484 yeah i agree, as the original commenter said this wasnt a typical episode of middle ground, and i think if they had had four groups (boomers, gen x, millennials, gen z) it would have been an even cooler and more nuanced conversation. i think the reason they went with gen z and boomers is because of how large the age gap is makes for very different experiences and more conversation, and also because the recent blm movement has been largely attributed to gen z (despite a lot of the supporters being millennials).
I mean but they aren’t really leading tho. Going to a protest doesn’t really mean much. Especially when there are a hundred different messages being put out. If ur not uniting people together taking charge, stepping up as a leader, and pushing out the clear concise message, ur not really a leader. Ur just another person in the crowd.
It makes me sad that cynthia responded "no" initially to the "i have trauma" question... then goes on to say that she's suffered such horrible loss but "had to stay strong" because "it's all about survival" ..... there's so much unpacked trauma weighing down on her soul and it's so sad that even at 74 she still feels the need to "stay strong" by not allowing herself to process that trauma. Edit: also - I think her point about "you dont want to get into the man's system or it'll chase you for the rest of your life" is both true and a very common scare tactic to keep POC quiet.
Is there a single person in this world that hasn't suffered? How com Jews, who experienced far worse trauma and far more recently, are the most developed country in their region and you never hear them victimized themselves?
@@Bolognabeef Please don't compare trauma. What Jewish people went through is wholly different from the experiences of black people. Like imagine being a captive and then being released into a system that is controlled by your captors. Black people don't want to be victims but this system won't let us get away from the trauma we experienced as a people. Our trauma is generational and ongoing and we didn't get the privilege of being given a country of our own to develop.
@@BolognabeefLiterally nothing in this video or comment has to do with Jewishh ppl. We are talking about black ppl rn. Take this to a video that is speaking on that. Also black ppl cannot hide behind anything. We are obviously black and are the community that’s being held down systematically way more than any community today which is why we don’t have much power. Educate yourself before speaking on black ppl when you’ve never walked a day in our shoes weirdo
@Shara B like... Jews went through a near extinction of their group. There is hardly a way to even relate to that. They weren't only oppressed like you, where they were nearly exterminated entirely. That being said, I agree with OP. She has gone through a trauma, but it's common to see people of that generation not refer to themselves as 'traumatized'. Their was a much larger stigma around trauma and mental health.
When the older man says PTSD is Present Traumatic Stress Disorder and then says "I feel like I'm in a domestic abuse relationship with law enforcement, with society, with the government." What a powerful statement.
Somehow I missed this one! And as Gen X, I love to see my parents and my kids generations come together and speak respectfully. It's amazing to see how much they truly listened to each other. I literally cried. This was awesome to see.
@@liqwidmediaworkztv because we're typically ducked off somewhere minding our business. But when we ARE directly addressed...WE ARE RUTHLESS!!!😂😂😂 Speaking for myself, I cut no corners and tell you exactly what I think and how I feel. Most times people who aren't from GenX think it's rude, but a fellow GenX'er would probably fall out laughing at you it. We don't bother anyone, and they don't want smoke with us!😂😂😂
I would’ve liked to see a black millennials .. maybe someone in their early 30s on the panel... HONESTLY but this was a good decision . Black millennials have been trying soo hard to fight the system . And we get ignored so much
@@Tttttttttttttttt484 Black millennials are everywhere. They have plenty of platforms already to tell us what they think. I actually appreciated Gen Z being apart of this discussion. I think it made for a far more interesting conversation with the grandparents. The only discussion that I think that would have been just as interesting would have been Gen X vs grandparents because then the grandparents would have to have discussions when people their kids' ages. I would pay to see that type of discussion.
They’re not fighting because we were raised to respect our elders and those kids were clearly raised right. There may have been a fight if they’d fit the stereotype the older gentleman held against them.
Jubilee, I love y'all, but Skipp is right. PLEASE get some actual chairs to replace these stools you make people sit on. I'm not even that old (31) and I'm in pretty good shape, and even MY back hurts when I sit on a stool for an extended period of time. Surely y'all can afford to buy six chairs.
I agree! I have had a herniated disc for 8 months & was born with scoliosis. These things aren't too noticable right away, but I know those stools would be killing me. I'm only 20 btw. Love y'all, but it's important to realize how uncomfortable some ppl are & how high pain tolerances are of people who live with chronic pain.
Yes! I’d rather stand than use one of those stools. The teenagers are leaning forward, the older folks look visually uncomfortable, at least stools with back support.
there are so many comments saying "easiest question ever", "it's the grandparents" but that's answering the title. The video is 30 minutes long and has so much more than "who struggles more?" but people want to comment for likes before they watch the whole video
*Exactly. My biggest takeaway from not only this video but in general (in this case:BP) is that the younger gen understands the mistakes the older gen fought for/did & are trying to correct it. The older gen fought for certain things that in the long run doesn't help the upcoming gens like trying to be equal with a group that hates them & get in the same areas as them. The younger gen understands we needs laws & protection specifically for us*
Thank you!!! The title isn't even the same anymore, probably changed bc Jubilee noticed people reading the title instead of watching the ENTIRE video and THEN commenting. smh.
@@MegumiHayashida I clicked on the video within 5 minutes of the upload and people already commented so you can be sure that they did not watch the entire video, which really shows what their aim is.
I got a little emotional at the end because you could feel they all had a meaningful connection by the time they were done. Thanks to whoever created this❤
Black Europeans and Black Americans would probably be very interesting. All respect to Cynthia, she is an amazing woman, but Europe is much different, than her distription. Europe absolutely has the highest income equality in the world.
Europe is broad though, and it varies from country to country. But I do agree that inequality is not as pronounced in Europe, in general. The US have it really bad. They don't see it because they live in it but it is one of the worst place to be in the "Western World". I wish things get better because these people do deserve better.
I just want to say that whilst dating another race, often it is the woman seen as the traitor. I date a black guy, im white and he gets praised and I get the looks, opposite wise a girlfriend of mine is black and her boyfriend white, he gets praised she gets the dirty looks. We hold it against women, as its their responsibility to choose the "right" guy Sorry English not so good, im French 🥴
I can't agree from my past experiences. I'm black and have dated a white girl in high school. I noticed the looks and even had a teacher mouth to herself "oh my god" after seeing us hold hands. I get judged by my own race especially by women for dating outside my race.
@@tevonthemoney21 i read the comment to my boyfriend and he told me that what you are saying is very true, in the black community women dont like black men dating white girls. Hé also told me that its because often the society showed the black woman inferior beauty wise to the white woman, and have been undermined even in their own culture, and so there is this internalized misogynie towards white women, because of this male valorisation of white. Saying this, i do think its important to let people just love each other and we should never let our insecurities or our self&sociétal beliefs act on other people's hapiness and choices, with micro agressions Again, it seems like its against women we hold it in some ways, or its mostly women that create this conflict, i think there is a lot of sexism in racism and that is why it affects women more then men in some ways, and when i mean affects i mean they get the evils but they also create the evils because of the dévalorisation of one women over the other in the sociéty I really Hope im being clear im trying my best 😭
@@tevonthemoney21 and just to add, black women are praised by white guys in the same way I gave the opposite example in my message just on top. So, we find the same problem where white women feel inferiorised by white men when they valorise more so black women. So this internalized misogynie goes both ways, maybe that is why we try to look like each other in some ways. This sexism where we objectify women in categories and sterotypes (porn has a lot of responsibility in this) accentuates racism in between women But anyways if i dont stop writting, it would be a book 🤪 There is just so much to say
As a black person it’s different. Black men are praised by mainly other black men, while black women are disappointed. But when a black woman does it, they get a fair share of women and mainly all the black men. We call the women who are like that, “pick me’s”.
"You are the leaders." That message isn't just for the youth. I get sick of hearing people say we need a new Malcolm or Martin. We already have our leaders. We just need to embrace and encourage each other.
Yeah, you went to the Philippines and you saw all that....but at the end of the day you came back home. You didn't stay. You only saw what you were allowed to see for the short limited time you were there. As immigrants we may come to the U.S. and face new "struggles" but compared to the struggles back home? It's a piece of cake. America is not perfect but it's the dream of what it could be that keeps people going. Even if you don't attain that nice white picket fence the dream is there whereas in these other places there is no dream. No hope.
Your whole paragraph is very touching. As a native born American, who has traveled the world, you see just how good we have it. Venezuela, Russia, Philippines have all suppressed their people into submission but America has systems to prevent that. We allow certain freedoms that in someways makes us an utopia, though we are not perfect, we should consider a privilege to live here
Yes. 100%. I am Jamaican and I've been privileged enough to be born into a family with means enough to take care of ourselves, but many aren't. Many of these people fight to go to the US (and then England, second most emigrated country from Jamaica, I believe) to live better lives. And like over 95% of them do. But to then see them turn on their social media and make posts and videos about how shitty the country they migrated to, is absolute garbage. You can admit that there are flaws and things you'd like to see changed, but don't act like where you came from is so much better. Otherwise you'd still be there.
This is so true. Saying yea they are poor but their family bonds are so strong. Yes, they have to be or they die. I am not from the Philippines but I am Mexican and my family was from one of the poorest sections of Mexico and yea they had a strong community bond but because the poverty was so dramatic.
Being an immigrant and being born here is a total different experience. That's great that you are having a better time here, but that doesn't ring true for others. So for you and others under your comments to dismiss people's experiences is tone deaf and apathetic. So no they dont have to be grateful for nothing because this country hasn't given them much.
the most amazing part of this whole video is how regardless of what was said, our older folks always say “I understand you…” before they rebutted or added to what they heard. THAT is what keeps communities strong
This was the best Middle Ground episode Ive ever seen - HANDS DOWN! I don't say this just as a black woman...To see the compassion, wisdom, empathy and willingness to listen to both sides from the Teens and Grandparents...this made my heart swell with joy! I send all of them so much love and peace
Things are getting better, but by no means are they perfect. The older generation has definitely had it harder, but that does not mean things are good now. Honestly I don't understand this comparison.
Everyone has problems that are the most important to them. Im worried sick about my education rn. But there are people in Syria who are worried about waking up every morning without getting killed or raped. To me my problem is the priority but its obvious who has it worse. So comparing your problems isn't to make you feel like your problems are less valuable, but to give some perspective and appreciate what you have a bit more than you do.
@@vaibhavmukherjee9830 yes, but one person's struggle being worse does not invalidate the other. I am obviously extremely glad to have not lived back then. Racism and hate crimes were more widespread then instead of now. But there are many black people who experience what was happening back then now.
I truly hope to see Devin in some form of government when he is older. He is so well-spoken and passionate and the way he speaks to everyone, he can truly bridge gaps and he just seems like an amazing kid.
I feel the exact same. If he learns to control that passion and identify when to let his emotions guide him and when/how to overpower his emotions and turn on logic, he will be a very influential and powerful force.
Emotionally driven politicians ruin countries. Get someone that is level headed and doesn't take everything personally. He seems like the person to legislate police defunding and cry when the crime goes up.
Don’t feel bad for me just because I’m black. My family is middle class and we are living life like everyone else. Don’t feel bad for me just because I’m black, feel bad for the people who actually need help.
I love how the old guy walked out with a completely different respect for the young ppl at the end. This discussion was mostly the grandparents dropping nuggets of wisdom to the teens but I’m happy the grands actually got something from them too.
I would’ve liked to see a black millennials .. maybe someone in their early 30s on the panel... HONESTLY but this was a good decision . Black millennials have been trying soo hard to fight the system . And we get ignored so much
She is hanging with the wrong people. Not her fault they're like that I just learned in my own life to not be afraid to let people go because there really are good people out there.
The way Cynthia said “I am a strong black woman” is just not only empowering but convinces me she is a founding mother of this country. I’ll look for guidance from her🙏🙏🙏
@@Max-js7zr because they're saying we are articulate for a black teenagers. Not that we are articulate in general. It's a racially charged back handed compliments.
This was one of the best episodes of Middle Ground I've ever watched. Alot of the comments are talking about how this was a competition of who had it harder but if you actually watched the whole video you would see how good of a conversation this was and how both sides understood eachother.
The younger black generation gets the you talk “white” comment a lot definitely from our own people, what some don’t understand is that we are talking proper not white
I remember I got told that I talked white before and I just pushed it off and didn’t knew what they meant but then later on I decided for myself that it wasn’t me talking white it was me talking properly.
@@animalkingdom2871 If a black person (usually young) doesn’t speak with Ebonics or slang other black people (depending on the area you live in) at least from my experience would say you talk white (which means you don’t use a sort of “hood lingo”) you don’t talk like how other “uneducated” or “hood” blacks would talk like depicted on tv shows or movies, but in reality you are just talking how a proper person would not how a white person would. For me this has stopped though and it only happened to me from my family members and people in my old neighborhood which would been called the hood or ghetto (The Rockies In Miami dade)
@I’m a manga reader who hates manga readers They’re whiny and bias as hell. You see it all the time. You want to talk about stirring up trouble, we could talk about the riots and cities burning.
i will honestly never understand why it being easier for people born today is seen as a bad thing, the older generations almost pride themselves over growing up in older times but it makes so much more sense to appreciate and celebrate the fact that your children get to grow up in an easy environment, being fed with a golden spoon means there has been improvement, younger people should not be put down for having it easy.
I didn’t get that at all?? There is a real relief that the younger people didn’t have to go through what we went through. I’m not sure if you were already prepared to believe something negative, if anything, I can tell the older folks really was admire the young peoples responses, one lady offered her personal opinion, but it was respectful.
I can say with pride and tears in my eyes I LOVE US!!! I am proud of how articulate and well-spoken both grandparents and teens were. The way the gap was bridged between both generations with such educated and open dialogue... POWERFUL!
“Us” you mean, having higher melanin levels. Why can’t people stop making race relevant to who you are as a person, what your identity is. On a purely technical level, they’re all black. None of them are African American, Elon musk is. They aren’t a community. But a demographic. White people ain’t my friends for looking like me. If anything they’re people. And if you wanna go into relevant similarities, they’re Americans
Lol one of the kids literally says he hates when people say how articulate or well spoken they are .. it’s a slight to what their intelligence was perceived to be .. let’s normalize saying this about black people because no one uses this for white people
@@rainkid8807 I take issue with this. I understand why some black people would feel they are being patronized to when called articulate, but I try to be well spoken and particular with my words and would find being called articulate a major compliment. I guess it depends on where it is coming from
Everyone saying “this the easiest question ever” is missing the point of the video and acting in a defensive way. This video isn’t asserting that there’s been no progress on race relations in America, but that there’s still issues now and new issues that are arising.
@@Alianger I don’t know how u could be so wrong. He said there’s been no progress through voting and trying to make change through the system. He believes that most progress has come through violence and protest which is objectively true not just in America but in every revolution around the world.
@@Alianger any significant change anywhere in the world in the fight against oppression has not come from acting within the system but rather protest, political violence, and revolution. The fight for African American rights has never been spearheaded by voting and policy proposal but rather boots on the ground protest.
@@jmgidk1481 What do you mean...? 4 out of 6 of them literally said that protests shouldn't be peaceful. I believe that people have failed the moment they can't solve something without violence, or without breaking things.
@@felix6764 violence should be condemned yet used to a minimum extent when necessary if the benefits of that usage overweight downsides of it. Whether or not it’s justified in this case? That’s up for debate However, usage of violence in general is IMO factually not something that can be instantly turned down as immoral or unjustified Sometimes, violence is the answer.
Of all the middle ground I have watched ,I have never liked any conversation than this ,it was calm and so much wisdom was in it . I thank the team for putting up this .so educational.
I’d really enjoy to see this conversation with Younger Latin Americans and Older Latin Americans. These generational conversations do a great job showing how much we’ve been through and how much is still ahead
completely agree. there can be powerful conversations about language, immigration, and stuff ab living in the us & what it means for latino immigrants to have status here.
Coming from a family of immigrants from latin America. I know for a fact if my parents stayed in their country they would not have the same opportunities they would have in the U.S.
"latinos" are not all the same, there's white ones, black, Asian, mestizo, so the experiences are different, it wouldn't be as meaningful as the black video.
They should do it for everyone else too like Asian Americans, Native Americans and Arab Americans. These setups focus disproportionately on one group which really isn't fair to the others.
@@nickfloyo Thats the main thing I liked about him, as an anarchist I think rioting and looting are basic human rights that should be applied to a corrupt system when people fight for justice because that's the only way you can get peace. I was a bit disappointed when he mentioned that he viewed Obama as a leader, I hope he finds out he's a war criminal, what a bright young man tho
@@maevadim4548 destroying people’s property is not a human right. How would you like it if I went into your home/store, looted it, burned it to the ground and said it’s my human right to do that?That’s nonsense
Cynthia is the kind of woman I could spend my entire life with. Even now I would, just to absorb as much of that true wisdom as I could!! She'd be the woman I go to everyday, have a smoke with and talk for hours and hours
"YOU are the leaders"
Why is no one talking about what a great response this was?
That was a brilliant point. But they are, REALLY young. And in this day and age the credentials that people ask for are getting higher and higher. Economic power, and by extension social power, is robbed from the youth, especially Black youth.
It really was! ✨
honestly though it made me think a lot about it
Also let us mention that his valid point of the leaders of the 60s-70s were killed. Coupled with mass incarceration and murder, the leaders of the older generation were weeded out to create a massive loss in leaders in the black community. It is REALLY hard to start/continue a movement when your predecessors don't exist to give advice and leadership. You have to start from scratch again.
The guy was saying there are no current civil rights leaders compared to the grandparent generation and that's kinda true. Who of the current generation is comparable to Martin Luther King Jr or Malcolm X?
Modern civil rights movements are more nebulous. That's not a bad thing per se, but I get what the guy meant in that there are no similar leaders to follow today.
Cynthia made the room silent when she brought up the system not letting go of you once it knows you. Such wisdom.
She’s brilliant. The person weapon against racist whites.
She's what a LOT of black youth NEED to hear today.
Damn, this woman the way she articulates her word, truly a wise woman
That's just common sense you get caught doing a crime you're most likely gonna face some type of punishment.
I get what she was saying, at the same time she is wrong. MLK was arrested. Malcolm X arrested. Fred Hampton Arrested. All the Black leaders who have made and strove for true change have been arrested.
It is the response of the opposition.
“The leaders are here, I don’t think you recognize them because they’re sitting next to you”
hits different ✨
Leaders? More like freeloaders and desperate sympathy seekers! 😂😂😂😂
Also awesome quote
There's always a teacher and student looking for guidance ...
@@Mychannel-gr1fn these kids were ignoring the lessons tho
@@melinda537 huh?
Skipp was so understanding and compassionate to the teens. The others were certainly listening but he seemed to go out of his way to encourage them and lift them up. It's truly nice to see older people reaching out this way.
Yeah it really inspired me to become a leader
Probably cuz he has 12 kids and as he said, he changed his parenting views later on
When the lady talked about hurting them with money it’s so true the government is never gonna pay attention until the money goes down that’s all they think about is money not people
Very true
That's why the civil rights in a way hurt the black community where before the civil rights theres black own stores that would only serve blacks and they couldn't compete with bigger box chains stores because of secregarion so there was a black economy and wealth made by blacks was spent in the black community they dint really need the whites that all ended after the civil rights movement because black owned businesses had to compete with big companies and that is basically impossible all that happen is black people wealth and ownership was being taken away from them
What money, you meen the taxes that you all paid. Well, that's a really good idea, to burn the money that belongs to you and everybody else in the community 🙃
No not true. These businesses have insurance that put the cost on everyone else. You'd basically just be attacking random people who may have no issues witg black people, but may develop them after being attacked. Any "support" recieved from corporations now is totally artificial- just another way to swindle your money from you.
"Hurting them with money"
My friend losing a shop he had worked so hard to finally get in business and losing it to a protest: 😭
Cynthia is wise, warm, and intelligent. What a special soul. She's a truly beautiful woman.
She is strong! Strong and beautiful. Her family is indeed very lucky to have her.
She's a national treasure
Defetnly agreed cynthia knows she is talking about.
I truly admire the fact that she NEVER disregard any of the other opinions :)
i'm calling it rn before it happens-- someone is gonna say *simp*
Can we get a whole hour of Cynthia talking about her life. She is fascinating and seen amazing things from around the world but also experienced the worst things with the lost of her family. She has experience travel and trauma to back everything up.
I would watch it 100%
I would watch it 100%
She seems so wise. She seems like she would make you think hard about any topic
@@carbonfibercarpet4655 I felt like her views were pretty myopic.......typical of Black people her generation
@@dragonfly12 why do you say that
Cynthia-" It's all about the money, hurt them in the wallet."
I strongly agree. people can protest, kicking and screaming till their heart is content, but it won't change anything. unless they stop buying their name brands, giving them views, and supporting their social media outlets. Since everything is about looks and value, They will always put money in their wallets.
I get what you are saying but the way sad but true our world works a lot of these people are older..the younger gen is learning and it’s becoming a trend to be successful and motivated, but..that’s just going to resegregate America and also end of the day high up that ladder is Predominately (I’m not racist my kids mixed) but the majority that controls the overall money is white and old….
It was how I reprimanded my staff. I docked hours.
True, at the end of the day we vote with our dollars
Agreed. Far more innocent ppl are hurt by riots than those they riot against.
Name one government leader hurt or affected by the protests.
This is so true!!!!!! Violence makes it worse honestly
I literally hate the “you act white” or “you’re too white to be a black girl” “you talk so white” it’s SO ANNOYING!!! Like what tf do you mean!? Is there a certain way I have to act because I’m black!? I’ve even heard my parents say “you talk so white” when they don’t even talk “black” themselves, I’ve had my friends say it to me, it’s hella annoying. And just because I talk a certain why doesn’t mean I’m trying to be any less black or be something else, I’m proud to be black.
Edit: I am in no way trying to put white people down or say that they’re bad or that I hate them, not at all! I am simply sharing my experience, and there’s nothing wrong with loving who you are, no matter your race.
@Imperial exactlyyyy! It is! And we aren’t monolithic, we aren’t all the same and people need to realize that. By not acting the cookie cutter black doesn’t mean we’re trying to be any less black.
@Imperial exactly, people need to just let us be😭🤚🏾
because many people think all black people think and act the same.
I don't understand why formality relates to being white(? Or being articulated(? Like if I tell you you're articulated it's because not many people is (regardless of ethnic background). Changing your vocabulary in work to be formal happens everywhere
@@cojinmango it’s when people say “you’re so articulate for a black girl” or “you sound so white”. For years in America it was believed that “black people don’t know how to read” “black people don’t talk right”, “black people are so unprofessional” etc. so when someone comes across someone who doesn’t fit those certain parameters of being black, everyone assumes you’re trying to be white because “white people are so articulate” “they’re the smartest in the world” etc. It gets really old really quickly, black peoples aren’t monolithic, we aren’t all the same, and just because we don’t act stereotypically black, doesn’t mean we’re trying to be something else.
I refuse to believe Beverly is 70 years old. She looks like she's 50!!
Black don't crack😆
It's cuz she's black
Math Boss lol u beat me to it
Literally the first thing I said when I saw her!
Nah she looks 60
The greatest response is that of “ your are the leaders”
You felt that too eh
It definitely hit like blammm💥
he speaks volume!
It stuck with me
That was deep
I love Cynthia. The way she mentions losing her son and husband. And about keeping self control. Like golly, her strength is inspirational. Pray for her family.
I got the chills when she said that
I saw it a little different. I saw a black woman displaying so much “strength” that she wouldn’t sit with the rest when asked if she had trauma, even though her tears were from her trauma. Reminded me of the matriarchs in my family who’s default was strength because for them at that time it had to be.
@@cambriaplusmodel I see what you’re saying but I think she’s honestly at peace with what has happened, yeah she might cry and be upset for a while but healing is when you can openly speak about something like this and she has reached acceptance
She said she had to keep it cool. That was LITERALLY why we have the term "cool" because black folks HAD TO keep it COOL under the most trying circumstances.
I’m waiting for African American vs Black British, I think it would be such an interesting conversation
I’d watch that 🙋🏾♀️
This
@C D Why?
@@BN-nf5dn I'm a black British and I have no problem with African Americans if that what your implying
more like Black Americans vs Black British bc not all black people in America are African
"my whole world was not about getting a high school diploma, i just wanted to get home every night" damn...
Agreed. And before someone comes in here saying that lot's of people feel that way, the REASON for dealing with situations like that are different.
@@hzjohnson1632 yeah the gang and drug abuse era was bad. I thank god 🙏🏾 I was born after it... even though we know it's still being done today.
@@hzjohnson1632 i actually think that's a myopic view of things.
If ALL you can see are the drug dealers and not the ways that POLITICS FAIL COMMUNITIES WHICH LEADS TO PEOPLE NEEDING TO SELL DRUGS TO MAKE MONEY, you'll NEVER understand why the drug dealers are out there in the first place
People have no understanding of how bad that time was. We’re much better off now, but even the openly racist decades before that had way less violence.
The crips was gang violence, what does that have to do about institutional racism of the US? That is more to do with a violent mob group gaining power in a community, just like the whiskey mobs of the NE with Capone.
Can you PLEASE do Africans vs African Americans? We’ve been asking for years now. 😩😭🥺
YESSS please
I asked too
Or simply diasporian vs Americans
Why do you lot want this?
What is supposed to be discussed exactly?
Ms. Cynthia is a phenomenal woman. I'm a Black Gen Z and I appreciate both sides of this conversation. Great way to bridge the generational gap.
You can't control everything but you can control how you react
Cynthia.
I see a strong woman
Study Stoicism if you wanna learn more about it, that philosophy basically teaches exactly what Cynthia says.
She knows how emotional the black community or any minority groups can get and it’s important to keep our composure.
@@magicmakerify white ppl can be as emotional they want and gets seen as human we do it and it’s wrong. plz let go of the standard that i have to be better for my people cs i already got a burden to cary🤦🏽♀️
@@destinycardoso4820 Those emotional white people generally don't make it far, and neither will you. No one cares about your feelings, you're an adult and you're expected to act like one
Big up to Stoicism
Cynthia was the highlight of this video. Her bluntness make her real by telling it how it is and no sugar coating. RESPECT
respect.
Cynthia talking about her family really got to me she just exudes strength and wisdom
agreed. she has strength and she has a stoic mentality but she was hurt before and it showed in that moment.
This is definitely the best middle ground. Everyone is so well spoken and calm. It’s so refreshing, especially when so many people on this just yell at each other.
I'm waiting for Africans vs African Americans, as a South African I'm ready to be a part of it. There's a lot we need to discuss you guys
Agreed
Bingo
I'm with you on that one. That would definitely be an interesting conversation between African Americans and REAL African Americans.
Don’t blame us we were taken long ago and been through years of indoctrination. We all share the same blood but we have totally similar yet different mindsets. I can’t sit here and act like Africa is all secure either tho. The colonizers made there way everywhere, they completely drain Africa of its resources and honestly that hurts more than the slavery they put us through. To still be violating us as a race.
yes please i agree
Struggling should never turn into a "Who has it worse" contest.
Yes
its Just a program bro relax
@@thiagomartins3508 no one's mad. I'm just stating the truth. You relax
Tell me about it
So we shouldn't acknowledged who is suffering more, where do we go with that.
I can't believe Cynthia is 74. She looks so much younger.
@@sees9267 I thought it was just me 😭
@Tyler B #2 fr
She seems 74 i don't know what you mean
@@sees9267 ??? how is he hating
@Tyler B #2 idk how ur hating mate
Found it funny how only the teens clapped when she said she is turning 70🤣 such a Gen Z thing!
Lmaoooo ngl its a us thing
well, she said her birthday is tomorrow (after the day the video was recorded)
Im Gen X.
Uhm....i dont get it? I would hv clapped as well?
They clapped to celebrate her birthday... tf we cant do that now?
@@ochrechapSame here ❤
I love how Skipp apologized at the end and admitted that he had preconceived notions about the young people. This was a good video. I like when I watch these videos I will debate with myself if I agree or disagree with what is said.
the fact that I do this with almost all of their videos made me connect with you on a spiritual level lol
"you can't control everything, but you can control how you react to it, and you have got to get yourself under control or you will lose yourself" - Cynthia
@@ts8404 example?
@@ts8404 if you learn to you can always control how you react
@@ts8404 if something “surprised” me that made me mad, yeah you can control ur anger
Time stamp?
20:51
that one older lady with glasses is so wise. I learned from her that it is important to do things thoughtfully today while looking at the product of our actions in the long term.
I know right! Bless her soul! She reminds me so much of my elderly friend at church whose african! Such a gentle personality!
I like her too. It was horrible that she couldn’t get a job when she was younger because she had an AFRO and looked “ too militant “. That is some crap. ITS JUST HAIR!
@@animalkingdom2871 she reminds me of a aunt ... aunt cynthia
@@SassafrasTee7366 she has boss vibes.
I feel like Cynthia is that grandma that many of us that didn't get to know our grandparents, really needed and still need today.
Most grandparents are like her
When Mr Skipp was explaining to them how they ARE the leaders, pointing out how young MLKjr and Malcom X were when they died...it brought tears to my eyes. He is explaining that with such passion and hope in his voice to such YOUNG people ❤️❤️❤️
Agreed, it was empowering when he said that🙏
Except when that leader is someone they don't like like Candace Owens, Brandon Tatum, Larry Elder... etc
@@Un1234l none of those people are leaders
@@campbelldynasty5632 what makes those people not leaders?
@@dathip those people say a lot of things that tear down the black community and other communities. In my opinion this is what makes them not leaders. Please pay attention to the in my opinion part.
Can Cynthia have her own series? She is so wise and calming when she speaks, every race could benefit from her lived experiences and wisdom
I disagreed with a lot of her opinions; so I’d pass on her show. I’d watch a show with those teens though
@@tj5087 Same
Facts. I’m loving Cynthia’s strength and spirit.
@@tj5087 I don’t think a great conversation comes from watching someone you agree with, I think it comes from being able learn from the one who’s talking. No slight to the kids, but their opinions can be found by any vocal advocate on social media. I’d much rather have the opportunity to learn from an intelligent women who has decades of world experience than kids who’s beliefs will change drastically over the next decade
@@uncleiroh4650 This right here, civil discourse is the backbone of society, we can agree to disagree and still be friends, Ive seen many in this era cut off friends and even family because of politics and beliefs, that desperately needs to change.
When Cynthia got emotional after saying she is a strong black woman, my heart broke a little
She sure is
It's a played out stereotype that has lead to medical apartheid (which, unironically, is also the title of a great book), mental health biases, discrimination, and misdiagnoses, police manhandling women, and men of all races viewing black women are less feminine and deserving of little to no respect -- who can go through life while simultaneously carrying the weight of the world on their shoulders alone, etc.. So no, the phrase needs to die with that generation.
@@chicagoliightsx thank you! That “strong black woman” stereotype is not a compliment, it’s a statement that is used to dismiss the mistreatment and strip black women away from their femininity.
Black dont crack shes 70 and still BEAUTIFUL
@@chicagoliightsx Totally agree. Very well said
dang that last bit with Skip really touched me. Him thanking them and saying he was humbled to be in their presence…wow! ❤
black africans vs black americans would be so interesting to see.
Yes good idea
yesss!!!!!!
@xo Lynn NOOO😭
Why vs. that’s starting from a combative position. Why not and?
Which Africans tho? There are too many african countries and they are all different
I already felt chills when skippp said he sees leaders right in front of him then cynthias personal takes had me tearing up. She made valid points despite her having rebuttals
I would’ve liked to see a black millennials .. maybe someone in their early 30s on the panel... HONESTLY but this was a good decision . Black millennials have been trying soo hard to fight the system . And we get ignored so much
She sounded like she brainwashed to me. This segment proves how much her generation failed us
@@Unap0l0getic I actually agree. There were points that she made that came off like she was taught that and didn’t look into it further but I didn’t want to come at her lol
@@Unap0l0getic I agree. Their passivity held them back. Also not acknowledging that their leaders were there not just to lead, but to teach their peers to have the same strength. Too many people following weren't really willing to put in the work.
"I wanna talk abt ptsd, not post traumatic, but present" that was a powerful line to me, it's happening now, so let's talk about it and fix it.
Most people in America today have no conception of what trauma or PTSD actually is. You’ll probably read this and say “you have no idea what other people have been through” but it’s definitely an insult to people in combat and first responders to say that you have PTSD from society or something
PTSD doesn’t only stem from being in the military, so I hope that’s not what you are trying to suggest. If you look at the definition there is no mention of military. “Traumatic experiences” doesn’t only mean having to shoot someone during a military service.
@@jimmy8213
That's your interpretation. It is possible to obtain PTSD outside of the military. You can gain it from any significant stressful event in your life. The stress itself will return after that event as a result of its trigger. You can interpret their PTSD or their claim of it as an insult but you don't get to invalidate their experiences.
@@BlackStar-hy1iy bro I just said not just the military. But yes I can say that PTSD isn’t just picked up from being in America. There are people outside of the military like I said 2 times. But they sure as hell aren’t people that get called “monkey” under TH-cam videos by trolls. That’s so messed up to equate the two
The DSM says it is impossible to get APT SD diagnosis without being there physically in the traumatic event Just because something upset you doesn't mean you have ptsd
This episode is just so powerful.
I feel so proud to be black, these are the conversation and types of people who make the black community amazing!
Exactly
It’s really a shame, I’m multiracial myself (dad was black, mom is white) I’m basically just grouped into being black, and seeing so many examples of black people ive met who just showcase the stereotypical “ghetto man”, that even I tend to forget to not let the bad apples in groups set the idea for the rest in my head (I mention this because my dad pasted away when I was young and now as a 19 year old in college I’ve never had the black community in my life, only my moms side)
Same
@@Daniel-pi5qd your brainwashed and your not proud to be black
I 💯 agree
wow they weren’t lying when they said “black don’t crack” how do they look so young!!!!
I agree black is beautiful 😍
melanin
ehhhhhhhhh
I'm white, and my 65 year old grandad is looking almost as old as my 45 year old dad. Surprisingly he has some very thick hair for an age where your hair should be thinning for some.
@@tired7495 Who are you to dictate where he can't post or give his thoughts?
I dont like the idea of 'who has it harder'. Every generation has its own struggles. *Let's just recognise them without making a competition out of it*
no lets start a race war. (and this is coming from a black 17 year old.)
You can NOT compare what the older generation has gone through
and this is coming from a black 17 year old
This should be the top comment
@@kalhie1121 yup
Ofc white people have it SO hard 😂🤣
Cynthia reminds me of my math teacher. She’s simultaneously the nicest and the most intimidating person I’ve ever met lol
Those are the people who always receive the most respect
“I am resilient because I have the power to harm or to heal, and this time I choose to heal” ... wow
I choose to harm because that's what gets results
I wasnt even mad that they where advertising for netflix, because i hate ads. But i just couldn't believe that they got sponsered by them!
"I feel like I'm in a domestic violence relationship with.. society".. wow
right. Perfect way to put it.
Reading this made me chuckle
@@putent9623 why
I'm black and it hurts more when it's true....
Yes, the domestic violence analogy is very fitting. Black soldiers returning from the World Wars, thinking surely I haved proved myself to be a worthy American, a patriot, only to return to a country that still abuses them, just as a domestic abuse victim can't do anything to prove themselves worthy of being treated with love.
I cannot tell you how much I love, appreciate and respect these conversations. It brings so much awareness and thought to people watching even from other countries.
Cynthia has got to be the wisest person I've ever seen hands down.
respect.
every one loves her
She’s the oldest too
Passive
I thought you wrote “weirdest” (dyslexia!) and was like why??? 😂
they brought great teenagers to represent our generation, i’m happy with the casting crew for this episode
Me too
These teenagers are extremely indoctrinated
@@thebk247 i wouldn’t agree but i see why you say that
@@thebk247 interesting analysis
You mean the young girl who essentially argues that living in the US and the Philippines are comparable?
Fuck, this episode was heavy man. Hope everybody's doing good and feelin good this far in 2021.
Be good bro
Thanks bro. All the best!
Alex is a younger version of Cynthia; so much wisdom, composure, and articulateness in her - it is amazing.
I really like how Cynthia would say, "I understand how you feel and why you feel" before saying something. That alone tells you a lot about her. Huge kudos to her.
She is great. The way she responded about the people struggling in the Phillipines was so thoughtful. I was thinking the same but could never say it so nicely. The young woman says her family there is happy there when she visits. Sweetie you "visit" there. You don't live that life nor would you choose to do so. You are first generation privileged that your mom moved away.
These kind of grandparents are high-key rare in the black community, wise & most importantly: They're LISTENING. Just....The knowledge they were spilling, I loved it. The real disconnect between generations is that the younger ones want to say & be loud with everything. The older generations aren't willing to listening to what is being said, instead they listen to respond and not absorb. That's where we usually lose the plot when talking with each other, as people born in different eras and raised in different worlds.
That isn't specific to the black community. A lot of the older people in my family, and family friends listen to repond, and sometimes they don't even listen, sometimes they listen to one sentence and cut you off by responding without letting you finish your full thought. I feel that's something that their generation had instilled into them, basically that if you're older you have more life experience and therefore have more knowledge, and if you're young you should be seen not heard and 'you do as i say not as i do'.
Especially Cynthia for me
Great Analysis!
Facts super rare
@@wb624 Not being rude, but I think they are aware it isn't only in the Black community.
I think they are just pointing out the black community since they are from the Black community and may not want to speak for other races and how they deal with stuff even if many races may deal with alot of stuff similary
I do agree with you about alot of older people being that way though.
Can we just stop for a moment and appreciate how respectful and wholesome this whole convo was it's so nice for a change. Jubilee needs to have more videos with this kind of vibe if I'm honest
One of the best middle ground episodes on this channel
This was amazing!Both sides are incredibly valuable and need to give each other their flowers regularly!
I love the elders they chose. So level-headed and intelligent.
Can we all agree that Cynthia looks good for 74. Black don't crack.
Black on crack
Yes!! I’m glad someone said it. They called Beverly beautiful I was waiting on her compliment
she looks like most 74 year olds do, she still look good tho
Cynthia looks good. Period.
@@eri6349 she’s got way less wrinkles than most people over 70
Petition for Jubilee to make a popular kid vs quiet kid episode
I’d be in the quiet kid place
quiet kids wouldnt be as active in the discussion. And if they were then they weren't truly quiet kids. Sure they could be unpopular but not quiet.
@@John9tv Not really.., they might be the quiet kids but that doesnt mean they dont have anything to say in their minds. And they could've been changed throughout the years. I was the quiet kid but Ive always had so many things in my mind but just didnt really have a chance to talk abt it and Ive changed a lot since then.
*Quiet kid gets an opportunity to take revenge on the popular kid*
It will ends in bullets
This is one of the few times where both sides were extremely civil with the other side, and they both agreed on a lot of things
Black people are taught to respect our elders
I think this episode was not a typical "Middle Ground" episode but just a regular discussion. I overall still enjoyed the episode! Reminds me of myself talking to my grandparents about their upbringing/life experiences.
The old folks had it harder tho - it’s so obvi I didn’t even bother to watch the video
@@poocrayon4588 That was only one of the questions.
@@poocrayon4588 why are you commenting the same thing in every reply we get it weirdo
I would’ve liked to see a black millennials .. maybe someone in their early 30s on the panel... HONESTLY but this was a good decision . Black millennials have been trying soo hard to fight the system . And we get ignored so much
@@Tttttttttttttttt484 yeah i agree, as the original commenter said this wasnt a typical episode of middle ground, and i think if they had had four groups (boomers, gen x, millennials, gen z) it would have been an even cooler and more nuanced conversation. i think the reason they went with gen z and boomers is because of how large the age gap is makes for very different experiences and more conversation, and also because the recent blm movement has been largely attributed to gen z (despite a lot of the supporters being millennials).
Cynthia... My Gosh. She’s so insightful: “It’s one thing to say it than to live it”. You can tell she’s been through a lot.
Save The Nations
I hope you had a nice day, hope you have a nice evening
“The leaders are here. I don’t think you recognize them because they’re right next to you.”
CHILLS
I loved that ❤
What leaders? Leading to what?
I mean but they aren’t really leading tho. Going to a protest doesn’t really mean much. Especially when there are a hundred different messages being put out. If ur not uniting people together taking charge, stepping up as a leader, and pushing out the clear concise message, ur not really a leader. Ur just another person in the crowd.
It makes me sad that cynthia responded "no" initially to the "i have trauma" question... then goes on to say that she's suffered such horrible loss but "had to stay strong" because "it's all about survival" ..... there's so much unpacked trauma weighing down on her soul and it's so sad that even at 74 she still feels the need to "stay strong" by not allowing herself to process that trauma.
Edit: also - I think her point about "you dont want to get into the man's system or it'll chase you for the rest of your life" is both true and a very common scare tactic to keep POC quiet.
Is there a single person in this world that hasn't suffered? How com Jews, who experienced far worse trauma and far more recently, are the most developed country in their region and you never hear them victimized themselves?
@@Bolognabeef Please don't compare trauma. What Jewish people went through is wholly different from the experiences of black people. Like imagine being a captive and then being released into a system that is controlled by your captors. Black people don't want to be victims but this system won't let us get away from the trauma we experienced as a people. Our trauma is generational and ongoing and we didn't get the privilege of being given a country of our own to develop.
@@MilkshakeCowboy or get a word like antisemitism to protect you from everything
@@BolognabeefLiterally nothing in this video or comment has to do with Jewishh ppl. We are talking about black ppl rn. Take this to a video that is speaking on that. Also black ppl cannot hide behind anything. We are obviously black and are the community that’s being held down systematically way more than any community today which is why we don’t have much power. Educate yourself before speaking on black ppl when you’ve never walked a day in our shoes weirdo
@Shara B like... Jews went through a near extinction of their group. There is hardly a way to even relate to that. They weren't only oppressed like you, where they were nearly exterminated entirely.
That being said, I agree with OP. She has gone through a trauma, but it's common to see people of that generation not refer to themselves as 'traumatized'. Their was a much larger stigma around trauma and mental health.
When the older man says PTSD is Present Traumatic Stress Disorder and then says "I feel like I'm in a domestic abuse relationship with law enforcement, with society, with the government." What a powerful statement.
Great episode
So true
Damn Azerzz is here too? Wakanda forever!!
Yoo Azerrz
Why are you everywhere?
Ray mark!!
Definitely
Ion care what nobody say Alex’s Afro is dope
@Calvin Ilkay yeah, it does
Alex is Gorgeous
I don't get this comment. Are we not supposed to like it? Have people been saying something about it?
she's beautiful and that afro suits her 😍
@@theobehardien2551 ❌🧢
Somehow I missed this one! And as Gen X, I love to see my parents and my kids generations come together and speak respectfully. It's amazing to see how much they truly listened to each other. I literally cried. This was awesome to see.
As a fellow Gen X’er, do you ever wonder why Gen X is rarely ever addressed? It always he generations before and after us. I wonder why…
@@liqwidmediaworkztv because we're typically ducked off somewhere minding our business. But when we ARE directly addressed...WE ARE RUTHLESS!!!😂😂😂 Speaking for myself, I cut no corners and tell you exactly what I think and how I feel. Most times people who aren't from GenX think it's rude, but a fellow GenX'er would probably fall out laughing at you it. We don't bother anyone, and they don't want smoke with us!😂😂😂
Why are people mad that they arent fighting? Its a great, respectful discussion and sharing of experiences.
I would’ve liked to see a black millennials .. maybe someone in their early 30s on the panel... HONESTLY but this was a good decision . Black millennials have been trying soo hard to fight the system . And we get ignored so much
@@Tttttttttttttttt484 trueee my mother is a millennial and she lived through so much and has to see so much.
@@Tttttttttttttttt484 Black millennials are everywhere. They have plenty of platforms already to tell us what they think. I actually appreciated Gen Z being apart of this discussion. I think it made for a far more interesting conversation with the grandparents. The only discussion that I think that would have been just as interesting would have been Gen X vs grandparents because then the grandparents would have to have discussions when people their kids' ages. I would pay to see that type of discussion.
They’re not fighting because we were raised to respect our elders and those kids were clearly raised right. There may have been a fight if they’d fit the stereotype the older gentleman held against them.
Jubilee, I love y'all, but Skipp is right. PLEASE get some actual chairs to replace these stools you make people sit on. I'm not even that old (31) and I'm in pretty good shape, and even MY back hurts when I sit on a stool for an extended period of time. Surely y'all can afford to buy six chairs.
i agree. theyll be $10 at the least.
Keep the stools. They subconsciously encourage more attentive and active conversation which is a feature of the show
Omg I'm saying
I agree! I have had a herniated disc for 8 months & was born with scoliosis. These things aren't too noticable right away, but I know those stools would be killing me. I'm only 20 btw. Love y'all, but it's important to realize how uncomfortable some ppl are & how high pain tolerances are of people who live with chronic pain.
Yes! I’d rather stand than use one of those stools. The teenagers are leaning forward, the older folks look visually uncomfortable, at least stools with back support.
there are so many comments saying "easiest question ever", "it's the grandparents" but that's answering the title. The video is 30 minutes long and has so much more than "who struggles more?" but people want to comment for likes before they watch the whole video
*Exactly. My biggest takeaway from not only this video but in general (in this case:BP) is that the younger gen understands the mistakes the older gen fought for/did & are trying to correct it. The older gen fought for certain things that in the long run doesn't help the upcoming gens like trying to be equal with a group that hates them & get in the same areas as them. The younger gen understands we needs laws & protection specifically for us*
Thank you!!! The title isn't even the same anymore, probably changed bc Jubilee noticed people reading the title instead of watching the ENTIRE video and THEN commenting. smh.
was just gonna say the same thing
Exactly. It's almost as if ppl commented before watching the whole convo like???!?
@@MegumiHayashida I clicked on the video within 5 minutes of the upload and people already commented so you can be sure that they did not watch the entire video, which really shows what their aim is.
I got a little emotional at the end because you could feel they all had a meaningful connection by the time they were done. Thanks to whoever created this❤
i had to look twice at your post, i was thinking i dont remember comenting on this video! avatar twins :)
@@sanpedro1337 OMG 😂
Black Europeans and Black Americans would probably be very interesting. All respect to Cynthia, she is an amazing woman, but Europe is much different, than her distription. Europe absolutely has the highest income equality in the world.
but me living in a third world country wishes I was in the US
Why not Africans from Africa?
Europe is broad though, and it varies from country to country. But I do agree that inequality is not as pronounced in Europe, in general. The US have it really bad. They don't see it because they live in it but it is one of the worst place to be in the "Western World". I wish things get better because these people do deserve better.
@@sodortv from a black person either one is okay
@@sodortv say black people
don’t call non AAs african american 😂
I just want to say that whilst dating another race, often it is the woman seen as the traitor. I date a black guy, im white and he gets praised and I get the looks, opposite wise a girlfriend of mine is black and her boyfriend white, he gets praised she gets the dirty looks. We hold it against women, as its their responsibility to choose the "right" guy
Sorry English not so good, im French 🥴
I definitely agree with you. From my perspective though, I’ve always gotten flack from women for dating outside of my race
I can't agree from my past experiences. I'm black and have dated a white girl in high school. I noticed the looks and even had a teacher mouth to herself "oh my god" after seeing us hold hands. I get judged by my own race especially by women for dating outside my race.
@@tevonthemoney21 i read the comment to my boyfriend and he told me that what you are saying is very true, in the black community women dont like black men dating white girls. Hé also told me that its because often the society showed the black woman inferior beauty wise to the white woman, and have been undermined even in their own culture, and so there is this internalized misogynie towards white women, because of this male valorisation of white. Saying this, i do think its important to let people just love each other and we should never let our insecurities or our self&sociétal beliefs act on other people's hapiness and choices, with micro agressions
Again, it seems like its against women we hold it in some ways, or its mostly women that create this conflict, i think there is a lot of sexism in racism and that is why it affects women more then men in some ways, and when i mean affects i mean they get the evils but they also create the evils because of the dévalorisation of one women over the other in the sociéty
I really Hope im being clear im trying my best 😭
@@tevonthemoney21 and just to add, black women are praised by white guys in the same way I gave the opposite example in my message just on top. So, we find the same problem where white women feel inferiorised by white men when they valorise more so black women. So this internalized misogynie goes both ways, maybe that is why we try to look like each other in some ways.
This sexism where we objectify women in categories and sterotypes (porn has a lot of responsibility in this) accentuates racism in between women
But anyways if i dont stop writting, it would be a book 🤪
There is just so much to say
As a black person it’s different. Black men are praised by mainly other black men, while black women are disappointed. But when a black woman does it, they get a fair share of women and mainly all the black men. We call the women who are like that, “pick me’s”.
"You are the leaders."
That message isn't just for the youth. I get sick of hearing people say we need a new Malcolm or Martin. We already have our leaders. We just need to embrace and encourage each other.
Agreed!
Yeah, I agree. Everyone is a leader. Someone just needs to step up
I agree 100%
I love Cynthia omg
Skipp.. that man had me tearing up. What a wonderful example of a human being.
Aww..
@@2ndCallSkipp SKIPP I hope the best for You and your Family ❤️.
Cynthia is on a whole other spectrum. These young people should really hear her and apply her words to their lives.
Yeah, you went to the Philippines and you saw all that....but at the end of the day you came back home. You didn't stay. You only saw what you were allowed to see for the short limited time you were there. As immigrants we may come to the U.S. and face new "struggles" but compared to the struggles back home? It's a piece of cake. America is not perfect but it's the dream of what it could be that keeps people going. Even if you don't attain that nice white picket fence the dream is there whereas in these other places there is no dream. No hope.
people have become ungrateful. It's really sad.
Your whole paragraph is very touching. As a native born American, who has traveled the world, you see just how good we have it. Venezuela, Russia, Philippines have all suppressed their people into submission but America has systems to prevent that. We allow certain freedoms that in someways makes us an utopia, though we are not perfect, we should consider a privilege to live here
Yes. 100%. I am Jamaican and I've been privileged enough to be born into a family with means enough to take care of ourselves, but many aren't. Many of these people fight to go to the US (and then England, second most emigrated country from Jamaica, I believe) to live better lives. And like over 95% of them do. But to then see them turn on their social media and make posts and videos about how shitty the country they migrated to, is absolute garbage. You can admit that there are flaws and things you'd like to see changed, but don't act like where you came from is so much better. Otherwise you'd still be there.
This is so true. Saying yea they are poor but their family bonds are so strong. Yes, they have to be or they die. I am not from the Philippines but I am Mexican and my family was from one of the poorest sections of Mexico and yea they had a strong community bond but because the poverty was so dramatic.
Being an immigrant and being born here is a total different experience. That's great that you are having a better time here, but that doesn't ring true for others. So for you and others under your comments to dismiss people's experiences is tone deaf and apathetic. So no they dont have to be grateful for nothing because this country hasn't given them much.
the most amazing part of this whole video is how regardless of what was said, our older folks always say “I understand you…” before they rebutted or added to what they heard. THAT is what keeps communities strong
This was the best Middle Ground episode Ive ever seen - HANDS DOWN! I don't say this just as a black woman...To see the compassion, wisdom, empathy and willingness to listen to both sides from the Teens and Grandparents...this made my heart swell with joy! I send all of them so much love and peace
Things are getting better, but by no means are they perfect. The older generation has definitely had it harder, but that does not mean things are good now. Honestly I don't understand this comparison.
With age comes entitlement
I see ur profile picture and I see a King in u
Everyone has problems that are the most important to them. Im worried sick about my education rn. But there are people in Syria who are worried about waking up every morning without getting killed or raped. To me my problem is the priority but its obvious who has it worse. So comparing your problems isn't to make you feel like your problems are less valuable, but to give some perspective and appreciate what you have a bit more than you do.
@@vaibhavmukherjee9830 yes, but one person's struggle being worse does not invalidate the other. I am obviously extremely glad to have not lived back then. Racism and hate crimes were more widespread then instead of now. But there are many black people who experience what was happening back then now.
Who came up with the idea for this video? Fire them.
"I am resilient because I have the power to harm or heal and at this time I choose to heal"- Skipp👏🏽👏🏽
@KIROTO MIDDLETON but Kiroto is a lovely name I never heard before . Sounds like an original work of poetry! 🙃
I truly hope to see Devin in some form of government when he is older. He is so well-spoken and passionate and the way he speaks to everyone, he can truly bridge gaps and he just seems like an amazing kid.
Except he doesn't know the actual facts on police shootings.
@@Killswitch1411 explain
I feel the exact same. If he learns to control that passion and identify when to let his emotions guide him and when/how to overpower his emotions and turn on logic, he will be a very influential and powerful force.
Emotionally driven politicians ruin countries. Get someone that is level headed and doesn't take everything personally. He seems like the person to legislate police defunding and cry when the crime goes up.
Naaa, found it hard to stand hearing the young boy talk.
Don’t feel bad for me just because I’m black. My family is middle class and we are living life like everyone else. Don’t feel bad for me just because I’m black, feel bad for the people who actually need help.
Straight facts man
-Ben Shaprio maybe
SAY IT AGAINN👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
FOR REAL! Finally some smart people in a Jubilee’s comment section
why would ppl feel bad for a race ,were all human either way
It’s about class not race.
I love how the old guy walked out with a completely different respect for the young ppl at the end. This discussion was mostly the grandparents dropping nuggets of wisdom to the teens but I’m happy the grands actually got something from them too.
"they completely shut down when they realize you have baggage" hit differently
I would’ve liked to see a black millennials .. maybe someone in their early 30s on the panel... HONESTLY but this was a good decision . Black millennials have been trying soo hard to fight the system . And we get ignored so much
She is hanging with the wrong people. Not her fault they're like that I just learned in my own life to not be afraid to let people go because there really are good people out there.
Loved Skipp so much in this conversation. Seems like such a kind, wholesome person.
They should have Black Americans vs Black Latinos and or Africans and compare the differences and similarities.
Black Americans vs black Arabs!!!!
@@mehrabahmed8707 wait I agree with this so much
@@michellemagana3632 black americans vs black carribean
Love thissss
@@fur8104 I don't think we of the carribean would care honestly
The way Cynthia said “I am a strong black woman” is just not only empowering but convinces me she is a founding mother of this country. I’ll look for guidance from her🙏🙏🙏
Do you know what founding means?
Lol are you illiterate
I'm only 25 and I'm astonished by how eloquent these teens are, it's incredible.
Which is why i found it weird when the guy said he doesn't like when ppl tell him he's articulate.
@@Max-js7zr because they're saying we are articulate for a black teenagers. Not that we are articulate in general. It's a racially charged back handed compliments.
@@thekoalakingdomshow6319 oh i get you, i was raised in jamaica where 92% of the population are black so i guess that never really connected
They a lil too far left but I'll give em some time lol. Dont get me wrong but the older they get the more conservative they will be
@@Lonzology relative to the "modern" society.
This was one of the best episodes of Middle Ground I've ever watched. Alot of the comments are talking about how this was a competition of who had it harder but if you actually watched the whole video you would see how good of a conversation this was and how both sides understood eachother.
The younger black generation gets the you talk “white” comment a lot definitely from our own people, what some don’t understand is that we are talking proper not white
I remember I got told that I talked white before and I just pushed it off and didn’t knew what they meant but then later on I decided for myself that it wasn’t me talking white it was me talking properly.
Talking white? What is that?
@@animalkingdom2871 If a black person (usually young) doesn’t speak with Ebonics or slang other black people (depending on the area you live in) at least from my experience would say you talk white (which means you don’t use a sort of “hood lingo”) you don’t talk like how other “uneducated” or “hood” blacks would talk like depicted on tv shows or movies, but in reality you are just talking how a proper person would not how a white person would. For me this has stopped though and it only happened to me from my family members and people in my old neighborhood which would been called the hood or ghetto (The Rockies In Miami dade)
@@WolfsterRo3 I see thank you for telling me.
@@animalkingdom2871 np
“The leaders are here.”
Such truth.
that was such truth well said
They’re fucked then.
@I’m a manga reader who hates manga readers
They’re whiny and bias as hell. You see it all the time. You want to talk about stirring up trouble, we could talk about the riots and cities burning.
i will honestly never understand why it being easier for people born today is seen as a bad thing, the older generations almost pride themselves over growing up in older times but it makes so much more sense to appreciate and celebrate the fact that your children get to grow up in an easy environment, being fed with a golden spoon means there has been improvement, younger people should not be put down for having it easy.
I didn’t get that at all?? There is a real relief that the younger people didn’t have to go through what we went through. I’m not sure if you were already prepared to believe something negative, if anything, I can tell the older folks really was admire the young peoples responses, one lady offered her personal opinion, but it was respectful.
I can say with pride and tears in my eyes I LOVE US!!! I am proud of how articulate and well-spoken both grandparents and teens were. The way the gap was bridged between both generations with such educated and open dialogue... POWERFUL!
“Us” you mean, having higher melanin levels. Why can’t people stop making race relevant to who you are as a person, what your identity is. On a purely technical level, they’re all black. None of them are African American, Elon musk is. They aren’t a community. But a demographic. White people ain’t my friends for looking like me.
If anything they’re people. And if you wanna go into relevant similarities, they’re Americans
Lol one of the kids literally says he hates when people say how articulate or well spoken they are .. it’s a slight to what their intelligence was perceived to be .. let’s normalize saying this about black people because no one uses this for white people
@@daxlucero2437 ngl you spittin facts rn
Agreed. Well said.
@@rainkid8807 I take issue with this. I understand why some black people would feel they are being patronized to when called articulate, but I try to be well spoken and particular with my words and would find being called articulate a major compliment. I guess it depends on where it is coming from
Everyone saying “this the easiest question ever” is missing the point of the video and acting in a defensive way. This video isn’t asserting that there’s been no progress on race relations in America, but that there’s still issues now and new issues that are arising.
Exactly everyone just wants to focus on that instead of listening to all the other prompts in the video
The male kid literally said there's been no meaningful progress, he's propagandized by teachers who should be here and held responsible for that.
@@Alianger I don’t know how u could be so wrong. He said there’s been no progress through voting and trying to make change through the system. He believes that most progress has come through violence and protest which is objectively true not just in America but in every revolution around the world.
@@spongeyglue1845 There obviously has been
@@Alianger any significant change anywhere in the world in the fight against oppression has not come from acting within the system but rather protest, political violence, and revolution. The fight for African American rights has never been spearheaded by voting and policy proposal but rather boots on the ground protest.
this was the best jubilee episode wow. such intelligent and wise people, young and old.
i agree completely. not a single person in this video said an ignorant thing
@@jmgidk1481
What do you mean...? 4 out of 6 of them literally said that protests shouldn't be peaceful. I believe that people have failed the moment they can't solve something without violence, or without breaking things.
@@felix6764 did you listen to their reasoning???
@@felix6764 violence should be condemned yet used to a minimum extent when necessary if the benefits of that usage
overweight downsides of it.
Whether or not it’s justified in this case? That’s up for debate
However, usage of violence in general is IMO factually not something that can be instantly turned down as immoral or unjustified
Sometimes, violence is the answer.
@@jmichele7872 Unless you're defending yourself, there is NO reasoning for violence.
Of all the middle ground I have watched ,I have never liked any conversation than this ,it was calm and so much wisdom was in it . I thank the team for putting up this .so educational.
I’d really enjoy to see this conversation with Younger Latin Americans and Older Latin Americans. These generational conversations do a great job showing how much we’ve been through and how much is still ahead
completely agree. there can be powerful conversations about language, immigration, and stuff ab living in the us & what it means for latino immigrants to have status here.
Coming from a family of immigrants from latin America. I know for a fact if my parents stayed in their country they would not have the same opportunities they would have in the U.S.
"latinos" are not all the same, there's white ones, black, Asian, mestizo, so the experiences are different, it wouldn't be as meaningful as the black video.
They should do it for everyone else too like Asian Americans, Native Americans and Arab Americans. These setups focus disproportionately on one group which really isn't fair to the others.
When she said she lost her son and husband that broke my heart
I disagree with Devin on some stuff, but he’s smart as hell for a 17 year old, I have a feeling this won’t be the last I hear of him.
if u don’t mind sharing, im curious what u disagreed with
@@chi5108 wow.
@@chi5108 even though you didn’t ask me, one thing I’d say I disagree with him on is that it is ok to burn down buildings and such
@@nickfloyo Thats the main thing I liked about him, as an anarchist I think rioting and looting are basic human rights that should be applied to a corrupt system when people fight for justice because that's the only way you can get peace. I was a bit disappointed when he mentioned that he viewed Obama as a leader, I hope he finds out he's a war criminal, what a bright young man tho
@@maevadim4548 destroying people’s property is not a human right. How would you like it if I went into your home/store, looted it, burned it to the ground and said it’s my human right to do that?That’s nonsense
Cynthia is the kind of woman I could spend my entire life with. Even now I would, just to absorb as much of that true wisdom as I could!! She'd be the woman I go to everyday, have a smoke with and talk for hours and hours
6:25 - 6:57 That was so beautiful. "You guys are the leaders."
I'm not Black, but if an elder person told me that, I would feel so inspired...