I see stuff like this, and I gotta say if I was them I’d do it too! If you don’t pay attention to what you’re paying for that’s not their problem. If I can make an extra 500 from someone not reading, I’d do it. Capitalism is a bitch only if you’re on the wrong end of the deal lol.
It could be nitrogen but still thats an insane fee. Plus when you get your tires changed they usually already have that added into the tire change cost.
We need to change how cars are sold so that consumers can buy vehicles from he manufacturers. Tesla does this so why cant the others? Dealerships are unnecessary middle men who only add to the cost of the vehicle and harm the consumer with bad sales practices
I’ve audited large car dealerships and you wouldn’t buy another vehicle from a dealership if you saw the amount of money most of the employees make, which the consumer is no doubt paying for. For example, the F&I people can easily make $250k a year. Service Techs? $100k!
U cannot buy car straight from factory. 50 years ago dealer networks lobbied legislation that forbids direct to customer sells. Not sure if it doesnt apply to Tesla because its electric or simply company that didnt exist back then
I never look at the fees. I tell the dealer what I will pay out the door for the vehicle and inform them it is their job to make their price sheet come to that price. How they want to code it I do not care as long as the bottom number (with taxes and licensing) matches what I told them I would pay. If they can't do that I walk.
@@MearMan123 I actually have only had to walk once and they called within the hour to do the deal. If you do your research correctly and give them a fair price they will normally take it.
I had a couple of dealerships try their bullshit add-ons with me. It didn't work for them. My favorite was their "spartan recovery system," which was basically a knockoff of LoJack. I told them to take it off as it was redundant. If course the salesman was trying hard to push it, even the sales manager pushed it. I brought them to the vehicle, we sat inside, and i had them turn it on. Then, I pressed the OnStar button and brought it up on the infotainment system. They just looked at me, and i said, "Ya'll realize you're a GM/Chevy dealership, right? And OnStar is standard in all of their vehicles".... Yeah, I walked after I made them look stupid. My girlfriend at the time started laughing at them, and I drove away. They thought that because I drove 2.5 hours to see the truck, I would give into their bullshit. WRONG!
The only thing that matters is the OTD price. Shop all local dealers against their written OTD price and forget about the itemization. You can negotiate to reduce the bottom line but easier just to forget all the names of the buckets and worry about final cost.
I’ve asked the out the door price on 3 different dealers now and they all want me to “come in” to get it! I tell them no and it pretty much dies there.
One of the many reasons Tesla is getting my business, Ordered CT 4 years ago and bought a M3P 3 years ago once the CT gets here aside from helping my daughter with her jeep ill never grace another stealerships lot with my presence. Unless its to stop in to laugh at them.
@@william6534 you mean like when I had a simple oil leak with my diesel and it cost over $3K to fix it? or how those engines are now over $11k JUST for the engine no labor to install? I think you guys need to actually own something before you start saying stupid stuff.
@@icedout2322 no warranty? Warranty costs 3500 and pays for itself 5 times over. The difference is the knowledge it takes. Your vehicle is easy, Tesla is not. Don't get mad at me because you didn't purchase vehicle protection.
The most ridiculous charge ive had was a “storage” fee from when I had a custom stereo system put in and they had my truck for 2 days after telling me it would be one day. Apparently they charge customers for parking your vehicle INSIDE the shop overnight. After arguing with the owner and threatening to print a huge picture of the receipt to post on truck for a local truck show he removed the fee. The shop only lasted 1 year in business after the owner was arrested for stealing and swapping parts of customers cars.
Our local dealerships (Southern Nevada)charge for dealer add ons like door edge guard, door handle anti scratch appliqué , window tint, for $1200 to $1800. It seems all the dealerships are charging for this and would rather not sell you the car than remove that charge. I spoke with another dealer who had a vehicle en route that hasn’t even reached the dealer, and said it was still a mandatory add on once it arrived. Very frustrating. I’m going to try out of state and see what happens, Phoenix is only a 3.5 hour drive if I can make a deal on-line
Speak to someone else, say no to mandatory bs. If you do buy a car else where, I’d let them know that their mandatory add ons were the reason you bought else where.
We bought a Scion XB in the early years and one of the dealers put a bunch of stupid decals on the doors and charged like $400 for it. We said we didn’t want any stickers on them and they refused to remove it or delete the cost. We left and went to another dealer who didn’t add anything. Too bad for them.
By the way if you want a better deal and this from a car dealer I know from years ago, if you are not in a rush wait for bad weather rain snow and go then especially if it is not a 4wd, they get desperate and will come down on price. Cars do not sell in bad weather as fast as a nice sunny day. They also have to pay interest on lot cars they try to charge more for them so order what you want and wait the month and you will get probably the options you want and not what you get stuck with.Every option has a high price tag. And sell of give away your trade in because I was offered $500 and sold it 2 days later for 2500.
At least in AZ, Document fees charged to one person must be charged to every person. You will never get them to remove that one. That being said, I always make them refund it in the adjusted price. I do it as the very last thing before I sign. Yes, I spring that on them. There are a couple of dealers I've dealt with more than once. They know better now. I get fantastic pricing from the start. It saves time. BTW, BMW actually states on most of their pages that dealer prep and freight fees are baked in and you shouldn't pay extra. If you do, that's on you for not doing research.
Exactly right. When I bought my last vehicle, they tried to add in almost $900 in mandatory fees that they claimed were non-negotiable. I just said, "OK. That is not a problem. You just need to deduct $900 from the price we just negotiated before adding on those fees or I don't want the car." They dropped the price as requested.
I was going to purchase a used car from a dealer in Florida. It was all going to be done online as I’m in Arizona. I lost interest rather quickly when I noticed a $1,190.00 Doc fee on the order. I asked for an explanation of what it was for and never got an answer.
The only PIPA I have been able to find relates to the Personal Information Protection Act. Are they charging a fee to comply with a government mandate?
Dealershops try to get away with charging fees for everything. Theytry to add on all sorts of stuff. Negotiate the price then tell them to knock off all the bs junk.
Bought my first car at Honda Fairfax, I don’t know anything about buying , was offered 30K CRV that one of the staffs he’s been using from their lot with almost 5k miles and after all things done my invoice is 40k, when I got home found some trash on the console compartment and only 2 years later i realized I was taken advantage of my ignorance, I have a credit of above 700+ and gave me interest of 7+% in year 2017.
The great guy’s at Ride Now Peoria charged a fright fee. When I ask about it due to the fact it was a used unit, I was told it was a “reconditioning fee.” Now that I know all I have to say is that I will no longer be doing business with them. ✌️
Yeah actually I agree with most of that from a 30-year car sales and finance manager. Our doc fee was usually no more than $35, and that was because we had to pay people to go physically to the DMV and handle a lot of stuff you can only do so much stuff online, and if there is any discrepancy the DMV notices again we have to go back to the DMV to fix it for you. So unless you'd rather go to the DMV two times then don't pay the doc fee. Now the places that are charging over 100.00 is ridiculous. But there is only so much profit in a vehicle and everything else we have to do comes off that. If you don't want to go out and find your own financing and I've got to do all your work for you and then I'm going to charge. But remember on some of these fees if you charge them to one person which you can do you have to charge them to every single person, and they can't be deleted from any contact.
If you think these are bad buy a car in Florida, it would make sense if the discount on the car offset the fees, but they’re just as expensive elsewhere. It’s cheaper to fly to Georgia, buy a car, and drive it down.
It is a heck of a lot more than simply putting the handlebars on. go look at the crate full of parts that arrives at the dealership an you'll think that the dealer prep fee is too low. On top of that assembly and inspection, you are also supposed to have the bike, bars, controls, ride height etc. adjusted to fit the new owner.
In the case of my local dealer, the Maroni sticker has the MSRP which includes the shipment fee under it as included in the price, but the purchase sheet has the Car cost, shipping broken apart and the total is the MSRP on the sticker. So in this case they just spell out the details!
Car buying is ridiculous. I don't go to the grocery and negotiate a gallon of milk. It just costs what it costs. You shouldn't have to play games when buying cars. Government regulatea everything else. Time to fix the broken system of car buying.
@Caredge Can you guys please do the same breakdown but with used cars? The dealership also add a lot of fees like this but I would like to see your input. Thanks
Been trying to buy a 2025 Honda crv hybrid and I can’t get any of these dealers to give me an out the door price without “coming in to the dealership” I tell them I’m not coming in and it’s pretty much a dead deal. Thought I had a deal done at 41k, went in and they tried giving me a car the manager has been driving around for 2 thousand miles! We stormed out of there cause that was the last straw after catching them in multiple lies. These dealerships are DEAD, nobody in there buying cars!
Don’t know how to do but i bought a 2011 Chevy traverse in 2017. In 2018 the transmission went out twice. Could drive it for almost a year while it was being “fixed.” Finally rebuilt it instead of getting a new one as promised.
@@ldaluis00 You think it is any different for any other modern car? It is the same, comically crap.. Ask any mechanic how much they like working on a German car.. They all cost nothing short of an arm and a foot...
@caredge It would be better to also itemize the selling price (MSRP, floor mats, Freight & Handling, and dealer incentive if any); that way, for example, it is really easy to see that the "Freight" line item is a double-charge. This double-booking almost got me because the first instance of "Freight" was buried in the selling price.
Selling price vs out the door cost are two different things, nimrod. What are you just not going to pay tax? Do you want dealers to advertise the out the door cost? Well too bad because everyone gets a different out the door cost. You may live in a county that has 6% tax and Joe Shmo lives in a county with 9%. Imbecile.
@carEdge hey man so me and my girlfriend went to buy a used car (2014 Chevy Malibu ls)she had totaled her other car so we really needed a vehicle that was reliable and cheap so we ended up getting this vehicle for $15k but after all the bs it was $18k the down payment was $1800 and payments of $560 and I told her it was such a bad idea but she really liked the vehicle and needed it so I was like why not we’ll now 2 years later we’ve tried to refinance a total of 7 times and no one will because the car is underwater.Also a couple months after we got the car it started having mechanical problems which was $500 to fix and currently we are looking to get rid of that car but it feels like we can’t 😴love the videos man❗️
I made a lot of dumb mistakes when I bought every car I have had, but your gf is the most dumbest person! 2014 Malibu for $18k WFT was wrong with her and you?
Unfortunately you are not correct. When you purchase an actual car, you can see the freight charge on the sticker of the vehicle. On the Powersports side there is no sticker. The MSRP does not include freight. And the dealership does pay the extra to the manufacturer for freight. Now, it is not $2000, but there is a charge. Now when it comes to prep charge, the unit does not come completely assembled. Being a Slingshot, it does not have too much not installed but still does not come completely assembled. So there is a charge for vehicle prep. The price is high but there is still some cost on that.
I'd like to see you and your dad do a vignette here of how you the buyer negotiate with him the seller on how to get rid of those bogus fees as you negotiate them away I think that would be very instructional thank you
When I bought my Honda civic 2011 dealer had a gas fee.. they said the only way they could take that off was if they only gave you 1/4 of gas instead of a full tank.. yes I told them I would pay for my own gas not this made up fee.
You should NEVER pay freight or prep on a new CAR. This is a Slingshot that is actually considered a motorcycle NOT a car. Motorcycle dealership do break these fees out this way (it's BS). Again, brother you do great work, but you need to more precise with your information.
If I sell all that crap on the price, I would just tell him keep it all on there just drop down the price of the car buy that much. Always going to these places in a position of strength when you can just walk out on them. The best thing to do is make them work for hours upon hours and then just start walking out like you’re getting in your car it scares the crap out of them.
I was screwed last year when i purchased a new Mazda 23 CX-5 in Maryland.. i was rired from being there all evening and wound up with a contract for wvery extra warranty, and other bogua fees. I wrote Mazda corporate and was blown off.
Everyone who ever brought a new sometimes used gets ripped off. I always tell them what I'm willing to pay otd . All fees and taxes included if they can't make it happen I go elsewhere. Know what you're willing to pay before shopping.
I just saved $75,000 on a brand new truck !!! After listening to 30 minutes of BS , I shut my mouth and walked out , three people followed me to my car blabbing away … I almost ran over one of the guys feet on the way out . 😂
Hate to be the one that tells you but all ATV dealers and manufactures charge freight on top of the MSRP. Polaris being an ATV manufacturer this is how their structured
I had a dealer sell me a car with a clause to buy it back within a year if i didn’t like it and then never responded when I discovered it had a grind when turning left at high speed. Complete ghosting.
I always insist on the dock fee removed. Whether it’s for a new automobile or snowmobile, I refuse to pay it, or it’s a deal breaker !!!!! They will cry, lie and squeal like a sow, but it’s always a dealer profit item dressed up as a “State Requirement” ….. Lol 😂 Go pound sand !!!
WARNING: CAR SALESMEN SHOULD start looking very quickly for a new way to ACHIEVE AN INCOME. Economist's say...NO ONE is going to buying nothing in the upcoming months...
Hate to break it to you Junior, powersport dealers don’t operate like car dealers. The freight isn’t included in the MSRP of the product, and PDI set up fee isn’t either.
Is “dealer prep” legit on a used car? I’m assume they’re taking about cleaning and detailing the car? Seems legit if it’s a small charge but I would be skeptical myself if it’s above like $300-400
Where were you 6 months ago. You guys should start a service where you either act on behalf of buyers or offer to go to the dealership with them, so people don't get screwed.
What about Market Value Mark Up, just a phony charge they put on back in the 80s that is just another way of saying if you want this car we will charge you more. Had this happen at a Honda dealer in 86 $4000 on an ACCORD and told her buy a Mustang it is out the door price without. Since she loved her old one $5000 cheaper 2/3 of the price.. Bullshit charges are what they are making money on.
Those extra fees is where they make money. Some buyers never check..they just sign the paperwork ...😮or check prices at other dealers and let them work with your prices backwards. 😂
Slow down on the Freight and Dealer Prep Fee's, speaking from the marine, freight is not included in MSRP and is a line item just like that on the PA sure it's 'negotiable' but only in as much as a dealer we can only discount the product so much, Dealer Prep is also not reimbursed by the manufacturer, and that is not a bogus fee as it takes a tech multiple hours to prep and lake test a boat delivered from factory.
Yes those big car dealership they screw you in when you inside when you get out you're good screw out stard with the high interest and he is right all the money they charge you for all the time the paper they used and don't used the toilet they have to charge you for that too
$2,064.00 discount followed by $2,097.00 for "freight" what a hecking heck of a deal 😂 id also like to know what all goes into a dealer prep for $1,688.00?? It's a new car nothing should be prepped other than maybe a car wash and half ass wax attempt by some kid getting paid $12 an hour.
The clear Lake dealerships here in Houston charge you $500 for AIR IN THE TIRES.
OH OH, but you get unlimited refills on AIR.
ITS AIR PEOPLE
😂😂
That’s insanely ridiculous. Buy your own air compressor, lol.
I see stuff like this, and I gotta say if I was them I’d do it too! If you don’t pay attention to what you’re paying for that’s not their problem. If I can make an extra 500 from someone not reading, I’d do it. Capitalism is a bitch only if you’re on the wrong end of the deal lol.
It could be nitrogen but still thats an insane fee. Plus when you get your tires changed they usually already have that added into the tire change cost.
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Freight makes sense when you order a car but not when you buy one off the lot.
We need to change how cars are sold so that consumers can buy vehicles from he manufacturers. Tesla does this so why cant the others? Dealerships are unnecessary middle men who only add to the cost of the vehicle and harm the consumer with bad sales practices
I’ve audited large car dealerships and you wouldn’t buy another vehicle from a dealership if you saw the amount of money most of the employees make, which the consumer is no doubt paying for. For example, the F&I people can easily make $250k a year. Service Techs? $100k!
good to know, I won't feel sorry for them when I'll go buy my car soon
U cannot buy car straight from factory.
50 years ago dealer networks lobbied legislation that forbids direct to customer sells. Not sure if it doesnt apply to Tesla because its electric or simply company that didnt exist back then
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@@spardasquadspqr3535that's why you have to wait so long for a Tesla I forget the exact way the do it but it's basically a loophole.
I never look at the fees. I tell the dealer what I will pay out the door for the vehicle and inform them it is their job to make their price sheet come to that price. How they want to code it I do not care as long as the bottom number (with taxes and licensing) matches what I told them I would pay. If they can't do that I walk.
I do the same.
So you’ve walked in most cases then
@@MearMan123 I actually have only had to walk once and they called within the hour to do the deal. If you do your research correctly and give them a fair price they will normally take it.
So for example if the MSRP price of the car is $25,000 should I ask for something lower to equate all the fees the dealer would add?
@@mrome823 Definitely especially in todays market. Dealers have excess inventory and need to move it now to cut their losses.
It would be helpful to circle the bogus fees in red so we can take picture of it for future reference.
I had a couple of dealerships try their bullshit add-ons with me. It didn't work for them. My favorite was their "spartan recovery system," which was basically a knockoff of LoJack. I told them to take it off as it was redundant. If course the salesman was trying hard to push it, even the sales manager pushed it. I brought them to the vehicle, we sat inside, and i had them turn it on. Then, I pressed the OnStar button and brought it up on the infotainment system. They just looked at me, and i said, "Ya'll realize you're a GM/Chevy dealership, right? And OnStar is standard in all of their vehicles".... Yeah, I walked after I made them look stupid. My girlfriend at the time started laughing at them, and I drove away. They thought that because I drove 2.5 hours to see the truck, I would give into their bullshit. WRONG!
You first mistake was deciding to buy an overpriced truck to haul air around 😜
I found funny that they would rather sell you that junk instead of a tire and wheel warranty that you would actually use
@chrisvig123 😂🤣 Fortunately, I was looking at a ZR2 Colorado for off roading
The only thing that matters is the OTD price. Shop all local dealers against their written OTD price and forget about the itemization. You can negotiate to reduce the bottom line but easier just to forget all the names of the buckets and worry about final cost.
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I’ve asked the out the door price on 3 different dealers now and they all want me to “come in” to get it! I tell them no and it pretty much dies there.
They tried charging a fee for nitrogen in the tires. I told them take the nitrogen out im fine with air in my tires.
I love how Tesla doesn’t have any of these fees. Just the legally obligated registration and tax
One of the many reasons Tesla is getting my business, Ordered CT 4 years ago and bought a M3P 3 years ago once the CT gets here aside from helping my daughter with her jeep ill never grace another stealerships lot with my presence. Unless its to stop in to laugh at them.
Tesla has a $250 origination fee. Just a synonym for doc fee.
@icedout2322 yeah wait until you need real service.
@@william6534 you mean like when I had a simple oil leak with my diesel and it cost over $3K to fix it? or how those engines are now over $11k JUST for the engine no labor to install? I think you guys need to actually own something before you start saying stupid stuff.
@@icedout2322 no warranty? Warranty costs 3500 and pays for itself 5 times over.
The difference is the knowledge it takes. Your vehicle is easy, Tesla is not.
Don't get mad at me because you didn't purchase vehicle protection.
Thanks guy’s for all the help in buying a new car. Will help me greatly. Thanks again
I got about $15k off a brand new Ram 2500 almost a year ago when inventory was still tight because of some of the things I learned from your videos!
Try it now. They can't give away RAM trucks. Parent company just laid off 400 engineers
what did u say howd you go about it?
The most ridiculous charge ive had was a “storage” fee from when I had a custom stereo system put in and they had my truck for 2 days after telling me it would be one day. Apparently they charge customers for parking your vehicle INSIDE the shop overnight. After arguing with the owner and threatening to print a huge picture of the receipt to post on truck for a local truck show he removed the fee. The shop only lasted 1 year in business after the owner was arrested for stealing and swapping parts of customers cars.
Our local dealerships (Southern Nevada)charge for dealer add ons like door edge guard, door handle anti scratch appliqué , window tint, for $1200 to $1800. It seems all the dealerships are charging for this and would rather not sell you the car than remove that charge. I spoke with another dealer who had a vehicle en route that hasn’t even reached the dealer, and said it was still a mandatory add on once it arrived. Very frustrating. I’m going to try out of state and see what happens, Phoenix is only a 3.5 hour drive if I can make a deal on-line
Speak to someone else, say no to mandatory bs. If you do buy a car else where, I’d let them know that their mandatory add ons were the reason you bought else where.
all dealers are bullshit.
We bought a Scion XB in the early years and one of the dealers put a bunch of stupid decals on the doors and charged like $400 for it. We said we didn’t want any stickers on them and they refused to remove it or delete the cost. We left and went to another dealer who didn’t add anything. Too bad for them.
Try Anderson in Kingman
Dealers in Arizona charge more. Right Honda (Right Toyota too) charge $3k+ plus for stupid add ons
Inspection fee $14.50. I read that some guy has this fee as high as $5000 when he went to one of the dealership. Damns that’s crazy markup.
By the way if you want a better deal and this from a car dealer I know from years ago, if you are not in a rush wait for bad weather rain snow and go then especially if it is not a 4wd, they get desperate and will come down on price. Cars do not sell in bad weather as fast as a nice sunny day. They also have to pay interest on lot cars they try to charge more for them so order what you want and wait the month and you will get probably the options you want and not what you get stuck with.Every option has a high price tag. And sell of give away your trade in because I was offered $500 and sold it 2 days later for 2500.
I’ve been screwed by a dealer before, I’d be happy to help with the story if needed
Please let us know!
Forget buying cars in New Jersey New York or Connecticut. My last car I bought in August I went to Pennsylvania and had a far better experience
+1 here. Stay away from these states. They are a joke, seriously.
@@most_unwanted_316ioh no! 😮on my way to a Bronx dealer now! 🤦🏾♀️
@@lisanicholas2433 lmao good luck
Keep doing what you do. Love your channel.
You and your dad are doing the Lord’s work…THANK YOU!
AMÉN!🙏🏾
@CarEdge: you guys should start a car buying service that helps people get the best price and eliminates these BS fees
They offer this exact service... 🫠
At least in AZ, Document fees charged to one person must be charged to every person. You will never get them to remove that one. That being said, I always make them refund it in the adjusted price. I do it as the very last thing before I sign. Yes, I spring that on them. There are a couple of dealers I've dealt with more than once. They know better now. I get fantastic pricing from the start. It saves time.
BTW, BMW actually states on most of their pages that dealer prep and freight fees are baked in and you shouldn't pay extra. If you do, that's on you for not doing research.
Exactly right. When I bought my last vehicle, they tried to add in almost $900 in mandatory fees that they claimed were non-negotiable. I just said, "OK. That is not a problem. You just need to deduct $900 from the price we just negotiated before adding on those fees or I don't want the car." They dropped the price as requested.
@@chiplangowski3298 did you get at MSRP
When I bought my car new from Tesla, the only BS fee I had to pay was sales tax. Great experience overall.
😮Freight and PDI is a fake fee? Holy shit. I wish I knew that when I bought my car just a month ago.
Facts, bought a brand new 2022 Xse Camry in 2021. They smacked me with freight and dealer prep fees.
Freight = delivery, which is on the manufacturer window sticker.
I was going to purchase a used car from a dealer in Florida. It was all going to be done online as I’m in Arizona. I lost interest rather quickly when I noticed a $1,190.00 Doc fee on the order. I asked for an explanation of what it was for and never got an answer.
Well, your problem is you're buying from Florida. It's wild over here let me tell ya.
@@JamarD421 I changed my mind. My current vehicle will be paid off in 6 months and I’m looking forward to not having a vehicle payment for a while.
@@uncletoby- good for you man. I should stay on the same path. My car is owned but that may change. Best we arm ourselves with this knowledge here.
@@JamarD421Exactly. Thank you.
Check the tax before and after adjustments
The only PIPA I have been able to find relates to the Personal Information Protection Act. Are they charging a fee to comply with a government mandate?
Booyah 👊🏽 😁 👍🏽 🇺🇸
I have been screwed by a small car dealer
Dealershops try to get away with charging fees for everything. Theytry to add on all sorts of stuff. Negotiate the price then tell them to knock off all the bs junk.
Dealer fee is $2k almost everywhere for used car in NJ NY and CT
Bought my first car at Honda Fairfax,
I don’t know anything about buying , was offered 30K CRV that one of the staffs he’s been using from their lot with almost 5k miles and after all things done my invoice is 40k, when I got home found some trash on the console compartment and only 2 years later i realized I was taken advantage of my ignorance, I have a credit of above 700+ and gave me interest of 7+% in year 2017.
lol,” if you’ve ever been screwed by a car dealer.” If you’ve ever bought a car from a dealer you HAVE BEEN SCREWED!
Knowingly or not!
The great guy’s at Ride Now Peoria charged a fright fee. When I ask about it due to the fact it was a used unit, I was told it was a “reconditioning fee.” Now that I know all I have to say is that I will no longer be doing business with them. ✌️
I went to a dealer Labor Day.
They attempted to charge me for Eckbond at $1900.
I told them to get lost and walked out.
Yeah actually I agree with most of that from a 30-year car sales and finance manager. Our doc fee was usually no more than $35, and that was because we had to pay people to go physically to the DMV and handle a lot of stuff you can only do so much stuff online, and if there is any discrepancy the DMV notices again we have to go back to the DMV to fix it for you. So unless you'd rather go to the DMV two times then don't pay the doc fee. Now the places that are charging over 100.00 is ridiculous. But there is only so much profit in a vehicle and everything else we have to do comes off that. If you don't want to go out and find your own financing and I've got to do all your work for you and then I'm going to charge. But remember on some of these fees if you charge them to one person which you can do you have to charge them to every single person, and they can't be deleted from any contact.
My car dealer charged me over $1000.00 in additional fees.
If you think these are bad buy a car in Florida, it would make sense if the discount on the car offset the fees, but they’re just as expensive elsewhere. It’s cheaper to fly to Georgia, buy a car, and drive it down.
Dealers often will NOT "agree" to removing ANYTHING. It's their profit.
Always try and negotiate away dog feed. I agree…ridiculous charge.
They like to claim ATVs come disassembled. It’s hard work putting those handlebars on. lol
It is a heck of a lot more than simply putting the handlebars on. go look at the crate full of parts that arrives at the dealership an you'll think that the dealer prep fee is too low.
On top of that assembly and inspection, you are also supposed to have the bike, bars, controls, ride height etc. adjusted to fit the new owner.
In the case of my local dealer, the Maroni sticker has the MSRP which includes the shipment fee under it as included in the price, but the purchase sheet has the Car cost, shipping broken apart and the total is the MSRP on the sticker. So in this case they just spell out the details!
Car buying is ridiculous. I don't go to the grocery and negotiate a gallon of milk. It just costs what it costs. You shouldn't have to play games when buying cars. Government regulatea everything else. Time to fix the broken system of car buying.
After watching this I almost want to go and shop for a car. My sales man doesn't pull any of this to me or anyone I send him!!!
slingshots are motorcyles, so they are sold differently than cars in some states.
@Caredge Can you guys please do the same breakdown but with used cars? The dealership also add a lot of fees like this but I would like to see your input. Thanks
No need for a video. Every fee is bullshit and unnecessary
99% of dealers don't negotiate anymore
Bobby’s uncle and his father are looking down upon him with great joy. God bless him for his courage. Welcome to team Trump, let’s get this job done.
Been trying to buy a 2025 Honda crv hybrid and I can’t get any of these dealers to give me an out the door price without “coming in to the dealership” I tell them I’m not coming in and it’s pretty much a dead deal. Thought I had a deal done at 41k, went in and they tried giving me a car the manager has been driving around for 2 thousand miles! We stormed out of there cause that was the last straw after catching them in multiple lies. These dealerships are DEAD, nobody in there buying cars!
Don’t know how to do but i bought a 2011 Chevy traverse in 2017. In 2018 the transmission went out twice. Could drive it for almost a year while it was being “fixed.” Finally rebuilt it instead of getting a new one as promised.
And this is why I hope companies like Tesla put dealerships out of business..
Good luck with that. If you need any work done on that crap car you'll be charged so much you'll probably better off buying a brand new telsa
@@ldaluis00 You think it is any different for any other modern car? It is the same, comically crap.. Ask any mechanic how much they like working on a German car.. They all cost nothing short of an arm and a foot...
Dealers are really inconsistent on whether they include the "freight" or destination fee in their MSRP.
@caredge It would be better to also itemize the selling price (MSRP, floor mats, Freight & Handling, and dealer incentive if any); that way, for example, it is really easy to see that the "Freight" line item is a double-charge.
This double-booking almost got me because the first instance of "Freight" was buried in the selling price.
Do not buy from a dealer, period!
Dealer told us he was covering our oil changes for three years. Then shows a 299$ charge for oil changes 😂😂😂
I'd tell them to keep the car. 27285 was the price agreed upon, not 33663
Selling price vs out the door cost are two different things, nimrod. What are you just not going to pay tax? Do you want dealers to advertise the out the door cost? Well too bad because everyone gets a different out the door cost. You may live in a county that has 6% tax and Joe Shmo lives in a county with 9%. Imbecile.
@carEdge hey man so me and my girlfriend went to buy a used car (2014 Chevy Malibu ls)she had totaled her other car so we really needed a vehicle that was reliable and cheap so we ended up getting this vehicle for $15k but after all the bs it was $18k the down payment was $1800 and payments of $560 and I told her it was such a bad idea but she really liked the vehicle and needed it so I was like why not we’ll now 2 years later we’ve tried to refinance a total of 7 times and no one will because the car is underwater.Also a couple months after we got the car it started having mechanical problems which was $500 to fix and currently we are looking to get rid of that car but it feels like we can’t 😴love the videos man❗️
I made a lot of dumb mistakes when I bought every car I have had, but your gf is the most dumbest person! 2014 Malibu for $18k WFT was wrong with her and you?
The ultimate rip-off dealership in NYC is MAJOR WORLD!
Unfortunately you are not correct. When you purchase an actual car, you can see the freight charge on the sticker of the vehicle. On the Powersports side there is no sticker. The MSRP does not include freight. And the dealership does pay the extra to the manufacturer for freight. Now, it is not $2000, but there is a charge. Now when it comes to prep charge, the unit does not come completely assembled. Being a Slingshot, it does not have too much not installed but still does not come completely assembled. So there is a charge for vehicle prep. The price is high but there is still some cost on that.
I'd like to see you and your dad do a vignette here of how you the buyer negotiate with him the seller on how to get rid of those bogus fees as you negotiate them away I think that would be very instructional thank you
When I bought my Honda civic 2011 dealer had a gas fee.. they said the only way they could take that off was if they only gave you 1/4 of gas instead of a full tank.. yes I told them I would pay for my own gas not this made up fee.
I had e bed experience. Just find out some info. You are so informative. Thank you.
You should NEVER pay freight or prep on a new CAR. This is a Slingshot that is actually considered a motorcycle NOT a car. Motorcycle dealership do break these fees out this way (it's BS). Again, brother you do great work, but you need to more precise with your information.
If I sell all that crap on the price, I would just tell him keep it all on there just drop down the price of the car buy that much. Always going to these places in a position of strength when you can just walk out on them. The best thing to do is make them work for hours upon hours and then just start walking out like you’re getting in your car it scares the crap out of them.
I was screwed last year when i purchased a new Mazda 23 CX-5 in Maryland.. i was rired from being there all evening and wound up with a contract for wvery extra warranty, and other bogua fees. I wrote Mazda corporate and was blown off.
Everyone who ever brought a new sometimes used gets ripped off. I always tell them what I'm willing to pay otd . All fees and taxes included if they can't make it happen I go elsewhere. Know what you're willing to pay before shopping.
A must watch on TH-cam,
Don’t pay for those fees so you can pay Zach a grand for making a phone call.
I’ve seen freighter delivery fees list my whole life. That’s just added on and is already paid by the manufacturer?!?
I just saved $75,000 on a brand new truck !!! After listening to 30 minutes of BS , I shut my mouth and walked out , three people followed me to my car blabbing away … I almost ran over one of the guys feet on the way out . 😂
Dealer prep is such bs, they pay a guy $15.00 and hour to wash the car. Couple hours at the most. Thieves
These same dealers going to cried, we not selling any cars and going to ask for a bailout.
Hate to be the one that tells you but all ATV dealers and manufactures charge freight on top of the MSRP. Polaris being an ATV manufacturer this is how their structured
Wow, we pay at least twice that much tax in the Seattle area
I had a dealer sell me a car with a clause to buy it back within a year if i didn’t like it and then never responded when I discovered it had a grind when turning left at high speed. Complete ghosting.
You could probably sue if you have proof
I always refuse to pay a doc fee over $50. Those people are paid to do their job weather I pay extra or not.
my kid was scammed out of $400 for glass VIN etching on a 16 yr old car.
Always watch too when they assess the sales tax, had a dealer assess sales tax before my trade, would have been an $800 difference.
About to file civil litigation on a dealer after buying in November
I desperately need a new truck , but I will simply wait for their going out of business sale ..
Thankfully, I didn’t see these fees when I bought my Lexus.
Doc fee isn’t BS, it’s usually inflated but there’s a reason they charge it
I always insist on the dock fee removed. Whether it’s for a new automobile or snowmobile, I refuse to pay it, or it’s a deal breaker !!!!! They will cry, lie and squeal like a sow, but it’s always a dealer profit item dressed up as a “State Requirement” …..
Lol 😂 Go pound sand !!!
But what about “Destination charge” near $2k for many vehicles? I’m seeing that a lot.
WARNING: CAR SALESMEN SHOULD start looking very quickly for a new way to ACHIEVE AN INCOME. Economist's say...NO ONE is going to buying nothing in the upcoming months...
Freight (baked into MSRP)
Doc fee
Dealer prep (get reimbursed)
PIPA
Every time you buy a car you get screwed.
GOD bless you greatly... 💕
Hate to break it to you Junior, powersport dealers don’t operate like car dealers. The freight isn’t included in the MSRP of the product, and PDI set up fee isn’t either.
So do you just cross those off and tell them that you won’t pay for those? What’s the plan?
This is why lady friends I know ask me to go with them. Last time it was 1k reconditioning fee...lol no, she's not paying that.
I have refused to buy any car just because I know these dealers are on bullshit
Is “dealer prep” legit on a used car? I’m assume they’re taking about cleaning and detailing the car? Seems legit if it’s a small charge but I would be skeptical myself if it’s above like $300-400
Where were you 6 months ago. You guys should start a service where you either act on behalf of buyers or offer to go to the dealership with them, so people don't get screwed.
What about Market Value Mark Up, just a phony charge they put on back in the 80s that is just another way of saying if you want this car we will charge you more. Had this happen at a Honda dealer in 86 $4000 on an ACCORD and told her buy a Mustang it is out the door price without. Since she loved her old one $5000 cheaper 2/3 of the price.. Bullshit charges are what they are making money on.
Where is the much needed oversight into these scam dealerships! They’re crooks!
I bought a bike from them. Gonna check my paperwork now
Which of those fees are BS if you're buying a used car from a dealership?
PIPA, the car seat? A new one is about that price. At least the basic model
Those extra fees is where they make money. Some buyers never check..they just sign the paperwork ...😮or check prices at other dealers and let them work with your prices backwards. 😂
Slow down on the Freight and Dealer Prep Fee's, speaking from the marine, freight is not included in MSRP and is a line item just like that on the PA sure it's 'negotiable' but only in as much as a dealer we can only discount the product so much, Dealer Prep is also not reimbursed by the manufacturer, and that is not a bogus fee as it takes a tech multiple hours to prep and lake test a boat delivered from factory.
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Yes those big car dealership they screw you in when you inside when you get out you're good screw out stard with the high interest and he is right all the money they charge you for all the time the paper they used and don't used the toilet they have to charge you for that too
$2,064.00 discount followed by $2,097.00 for "freight" what a hecking heck of a deal 😂 id also like to know what all goes into a dealer prep for $1,688.00?? It's a new car nothing should be prepped other than maybe a car wash and half ass wax attempt by some kid getting paid $12 an hour.