Coach Chit Chat: Retail vs Outlet; New York vs 1941
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- This video was prompted by a question I recently received regarding Coach and the difference between outlet and retail, and also the difference between the New York and 1941 lines. Come join the discussion! Feel free to add your own info and thoughts!
Enjoy, and thanks so much for watching!
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I started my Coach collection with an outlet piece. That piece held up soooo well. I later moved on to Coach retail pieces. There is a noticeable difference. I frequent the outlet to find retail pieces. If you can get a discount on the retail pieces, sometimes it is not that far off from outlet prices.
Absolutely agree! I'm at the outlet ALL the time grabbing deletes/reserves.😄
Thank you for watching and commenting!
It’s so true!
How will I know which is which, meaning how can I tell if an item is 1941?
@@hbyellowful great question! Some of the best ways to determine that an item is from the 1941 collection are (some items may have all of these characteristics, some may only have one or two): the 1941 symbol; 1941 zipper/pulls; the words "Genuine glovetanned pebble leather" or "Genuine glovetanned leather" stamped somewhere on the item; clochette; hang tags with thick hardware (some that say "1941"); light colored jacquard canvas interior; the numbers "1941" printed somewhere on item; thick, white cotton dust bag; thick, white, oversized price tag...
I love the excitement in your voice when you speak of the subject of handbags
Haha Thank you! And thanks ao much for watching!
Coach outlet doesn't use "left over leather", if it did it would be of the same quality. They sourse a total different leather for the outlet. Which like you said isn't as good as the boutique.
The "original" Coach Outlet stores did carry discontinued bags back in the early 2000s, but that trend stopped when we could see a discernible difference in the quality of the bags when Outlet stores started popping up everywhere. The leather quality is different, and the bags don't look like the boutique quality as far as hardware and trim are concerned. I have only one factory purse, and it sticks out in my collection like a sore thumb. I don't shop at the factory outlet
Thank you for the clarification, I have purchased Coach for many years and I did realize the couple of pieces I got from the outlet did not wear as well as my retail bags. My 1941Rogue is my favorite.
Wow great video! Thanks so much for taking the time to answer my question! You provided so much clarity. Now I feel very confident when making choices for my collection. I look forward to exploring Coach further and looking forward to seeing more videos from you! Thanks again 💕💕
You're more than welcome! Thank you for the idea to do the video!
Girl, I just rewatched this vid again and love it even more! I am definitely a #1941snob, lol. You information on the differences between outlet, retail, New York and 1941 is spot on and so helpful. I just added a link to this video under my vid about factory vs retail so folks can get some updated info! I’m officially on vacay for the next two weeks straight and will be binge watching a bunch of different channels, including yours! Gotta get my #coach1941 fix in before heading back to work, lol. Always love your vids, girl!
I have both retail and outlet bags. They are both great bags. I just buy what I like. You can get retail bags at the outlets. All of my bags have held up wonderful both retail and outlet. .
👍🏽Their products, whether retail or outlet, do hold up quite well.
MFF and retail do use similar leathers - the polished pebbled, crossgrain and canvas are nearly identical between factory and New York retail bags. The cost savings is usually in the details - less hardware, cheaper hardware, non-matching or thinner edgecoat/glazing, lower quality zippers, less zippers and less internal pockets. It's especially noticeable if you compare similar styles like Charlie/Avenue, Prairie/Kelsey, Quinn/Sienna. Outside pockets are rare in MFF. Wallets are lined in canvas or crossgrain in MFF, where retail has soft calf leathers frequently.
Coach has always had different levels/audiences within retail. 10 years ago it was Poppy (fabric and patent aimed at early Millenials), regular and Madison lines, which had nicer hardware and better interior layouts. And the Pinnacle items used exotic leathers and more hardware, similar to the 1941 line now.
My first Coach bag was in 1999 (early Krakoff years when lined bags became more common. Although I admire the vintage bags, I need useful pockets. I stopped buying Coach during the Signature fabric years as I'm not into logos. I switched to Tignanello and Dooney for a while, and then Vera Bradley when my kids were little and sticky.
Coach lured me back with the Legacy line. Classic, colorful bags, with great light-colored fabric linings. Then I drifted into and the Madison line - classy hardware and silky linings.
Although I love that Vevers is taking the retail more high quality, he's lost me with his Western-inspired and flower-heavy aesthetic. I keep checking every time I get a PCE coupon, but the heavy detailing and lack of medium cross bodies has me not buying for now.
Wow, love all of this info!! Thanks so much for commenting!
This was so interesting, thank you!
Great video! I’m binge watching them all!!
Thanks so much!
I love this video! Thank you for all the information.
Thank you for watching!
Love that you do so much research!
😊😊
Thank you for watching!
Thank you for an amazing video. One of the best coach discussion videos I've seen.
As a diverse brand owner coach 1941def is of same quality as the 1k plus brands. Coach Ny is just like you said great contemporary. I find coach outlet mens is much better than coach outlet womens imo
@@LouisVuittonPrince wow, thank you so much for the compliment, and for watching and commenting!
And I've noticed the same thing about outlet men's items; definitely better quality than women's! Especially that sport calf leather(?), which feels like retail quality.
Thank you Alana, I love your videos. I am all about the 1941 collection and I agree it rivals the other “Luxury houses” brands. I own MANY of the vintage bags from Coach and I recently purchased the Tabby 26 in all snakeskin and on Saturday I nabbed a Runway bag, Elie Mixed Leather Rivets Crossbody bag. Stunning!
Thank you for commenting! Oooh, vintage Coach is even better than 1941, imo.
Not sure I've seen the Elie. I need to look it up!
Thanks for all the knowledge. Thanks for sharing! Peace and love...Suz What 🌻🌼🌻🌼
Thanks for watching! Peace and love back atcha!
Hello, this was information I needed to understand more about Coach! I have a Mason bag with snakeskin details! It is a top of the line bag! I knew there was a difference in outlet and retail bags, so now I know! love Coach! A great detailed video! Tfs!
Thank you for a very informative video. I'm one of those few who only collect 1941 items or just glovetanned leather items. I don't have a lot but I treasure every piece I have. The leather is just so divine and lovely.
The leather is INCREDIBLE! Sounds like your collection is perfect.😍
Thank you for watching and commenting!
Hi Alana,
This was a very good video and overview of Coach. I love and only purchase their retail bags. I own bags from both the Coach New York and the 1941 Collection. My favorite bags and the ones I always buy first are the 1941 Collection bags. ❤️ It’s simply superb!!!
Thank you for watching and commenting! I'm the same way; 1941 first, but some NY at times, too.
This is a great video on Coach quality 😊 I got my first Coach bag in 2010 and that led me to the world of contemporary handbags. Before then I had only purchased a small D&B bag and much less expensive brands. I didn’t stick to Coach solely but over the past decade or so have owned A LOT of Coach. They have all come and gone though, because i change up my handbag collection usually once or twice a year. I don’t keep bags forever but that may change with my latest additions 😉 It was just this past summer when I discovered a newfound love for Coach and started building a new collection of them. I have purchased at least a dozen bags since summer - a couple MFF, some Coach 1941 and mostly Coach NY. I am loving all of them! Truly. Sometimes I want a bag that isn’t luxurious and can get tossed around without worry. That’s what the MFF bags are for. When I go to work I like to carry much nicer bags so out come the 1941 collection. And for general everyday or weekend use I like my Coach NY bags 🥰 Coach quality is amazing for sure and the styles are pretty awesome too
Whenever I go into the Coach outlets I always ask them where are their boutique bags at, they always have a few on the shelves, but their not marked as boutique bags, you either got to ask or know the serial numbers to tell. But I just got my 3rd boutique bag from the outlet, the prices are phenomenal as well! I love your video! Beautiful bags and very informative.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts, I absolutely love Coach and I got the Rogue Shoulder bag from an outlet but it had no F on the tags have checked it from your videos and it’s perfect, lucky me as I got a fantastic deal on, love your videos please keep them coming, love from England 🏴 xxx
The Rogue Shoulder bags are so nice! What color did you get?
Thank you for watching!
Heather Grey oxblood lining also got the small Heather Grey 1941 wallet for £20 amazing that’s £20 sterling for the wallet about 220 sterling for the bag xxx
Very informative Alana!!👌🏻
Thank you! Feel free to add your thoughts!
Love this conversation ❤️
Great! Feel free to add your thoughts!😉
This video is very informative. Great content. For someone who is trying coach again this has helped me make my decisions a little easier. Wanda from Canada
So glad if anything I said is helpful! Thanks so much for watching!
I agree with you on everything. I do own a couple of outlet bags that I love to carry (my Avenue Carryall in grey birch is gorgeous). However, Coach 1941 is 2nd to none other and I am obsessed with that line. Enjoyed this video, thanks for sharing your thoughts...
It is indeed 2nd to none.
I've seen some very nice outlet bags. I really like the Cassidy!
Girl, I am 1941 all the way! Coach 1941 leather is DEFINITELY competitive, in some ways better, to LV leathers.
I haven't purchased a Coach New York bag since I bought my beautiful Croc Embossed Turnlock Tote in 2016. Now, I did get a Parker, which is Coach New York, from Nordstrom Rack last year, but, I haven't even used it yet. Sigh. Yes, I am a 1941 snob. Lol. Great vid, girl!
😂😂 I'm a 1941 snob, also. It has to be a VERY nice NY bag for me to purchase. Otherwise, 1941 all the way.
@Vivian Foster same
Thank you. I learned a lot!
Thank YOU for watching!
Great conversation and research. I totally agree with the 1941 quality. I bought my first retail coach bag 20 years ago. The 1941 line is the best by far. I only have retail coach bags and I have no duplicates except for dinky. Since 1941 came out I have only purchased that line except for Cassie in chalk. I caved because of TH-cam.
Sounds like you have an amazing collection!
Thank you for watching and commenting!
You are right about the coach outlet and retail products. When I started buying coach again about 5-6 years ago, I could not get staff from either store to tell me what you have shared and what I learned from doing research. I was noticing a difference in outlet items, but did not know those bags were MADE FOR THE OUTLET. I remember specifically asking “when did y’all put this New York on the bags?” My initial coach purchases were in the 1990s and early 2000s, so probably 1941. I do purchase all of coach if it is something that I like. They hold up well because I change them out pretty often. Thanks for sharing your experience and info!
I stopped buying Coach when I noticed a cheap knock off of my Minetta bag at the outlet that was cheaply made with crossgrain leather. Mine was beautiful soft pebble leather from a Coach retail store. Thought they were ruining their brand by making inferior bags for outlet. Moved to Dooney, primarily Florentine. Recently decided to buy some 1941 figuring it was a different category that is not made for outlet. If I see a bag made for outlet and I absolutely love it, I will get it but won't make a big investment in outlet products. I am in love with the Clarkson Hobo, but don't know if it is an Outlet bag since it is on Coach Reserve section, but it didn't come with a dust bag. Thanks for sharing so many videos on TH-cam.
Speaking as a guy who buys briefcases, I 2000% Agree about Coach's 1941 Collection being on par with LV, Gucci, etc. In fact, in some cases, ever better! Only a couple of brands (Tom Ford, Berluti, Saint Laurent) I would SLIGHTLY put ahead of 1941 collection, but not by much!
Thanks Alana for the information. I also really feel that the 1941 collection are very well made than others, all stitches and leather feel luxurious.
Exactly! VERY well made.
Thank you for watching and commenting!
I’m new to the coach world so this is great information. I agree with you when it comes to labeling of the brand. I believe that DOONEY should be up there in the luxury world too.
Dooney is great, also! Montecatini and Alto are definitely up there.
Thanks, for the info. I just talked to the c/s and she said it was only more Affordable for the customers...
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Love this. Didn’t realize such a difference and when found the outlet just thought coach lowered their quality and changed their style. 😳
Great video!! How do you find the best deals on your retail purchases?
Thank you!
I get my items either from the outlet stores or outlet dot com, or from purchasing during Coach's Semi Annual Sale using Ebates (to get cash back).
Thank you for this video. I had always bought the raw hyde leather vintage Coach bags. I had since gone to the outlet last year and notice a tremendous difference. I was going to go back to retail and not the outlet, but after this video, I am really thinking. Where would you purchase Coach 1941?
I purchase the majority of my 1941 products from the outlet in their "retail" section of the store. I also purchase from Coach dot com or the boutiques during good sales.
Coach Craze Thank you
Omg I need the ruby slippers. Where did u get that.
From the outlet several months ago.
Is this the sister whipstich bag? Mine is beechwood and has whipstitch on the zipper area instead of the front. Also, only snakeskin one handles - none on the zipper area:)
Yes! They debuted around the same time and both had special whipstitch detail.
Vintage and 1941 are the best!
100% AGREE!!
Great handbag talk time!
Thank you! And thanks so much for watching!
Thanks for doing this video. A lot of people must have been asking you (myself included before). Truly helpful! I had watched a video you did before on the rogues and how they all have different leather even if they are all glovetanned. Some are softer, others stiffer. Is that just because of wear? I.e. more worn bags will have softer leather, less worn stiffer leather? Or is it because they are made differently somehow? The pebbles glovetanned vs the interior smooth glovetanned are very different in terms of softness. I wish all the glovetanned are as soft as the ones they use for interiors. Thanks and hope your weekend has been awesome!
Great questions! Sometimes softness is due to wear and handling, since glovetanned leather gets softer and softer with age/use. However, it's not just wear. Batches of leather will differ in texture and feel because of the way that they have been tumbled during production. As a result, most products will not be/feel exactly alike. Some will simply be a little softer (or more firm), have a more exaggerated (or finer) pebble, etc. than others from the get go.
Hope your weekend was amazing, also! And thank you for watching and commenting!
And it would definitely be cool if Coach had produced more bags out of that super soft "interior" glovetanned smooth leather.
If I remember it correctly, the “1941” line are those that Coach created especially for the runway. That’s why the quality and craftsmanship is superior than the other bags we see at retail stores.
The only outlet bags I have are from the CoachXPacMan collection because they were so cute! Thanks!
They ARE/WERE cute! See, I don't mind purchasing a couple of outlet exclusives every now and then when they are super cute.
I'm waiting for the Star Wars collection to come out.
Full grain leather is typically in the top line and the outlet often uses a split grain leather for Outlet lines.
So to be clear the 1941s reserve on the outlet is not bags from the retail store ? they are visually identical but not quality identical ? I
Outlet absolutely does not have the same quality. However, I purchase my small accessory items from them; wristlets, charms, card holders, etc, items I know won't have great wear and tear. I do have 3 recent handbag purchases. I bought the Mia shoulder bag two months ago and the pebbled leather is already flattening out. I don't care because it's my daily bag that gets beat up. I wanted a Parker but since I have 2 Cassie's I couldn't justify buying it so I got the outlet Cassidy. It's only for evenings out so minimal wear and tear, works for it's purpose. I bought a reversable tote to use daily. Didn't come with accessories wristlets but other than that, it's been taking a beating as I use it as my daily work bag. In no way do the outlet bags come close to the retail items, but they still serve a purpose. I don't have a 1941 item yet, hope to add one to my collection. Wow, this response was a lot longer than I thought it would be. 😄
Love your response! Thank you for commenting!
I agree, slgs and charms are perfectly fine from the outlet. That pebbling falling out isn't great, though.👀
I HIGHLY recommend ANYTHING from the 1941 line! The quality surpasses all other Coach and most other luxury brands.
Does the rogue bag come with a long strap for crossbody?
The special newest released (Basquiat) Rogues do, but not the original Rogues.
What do Coach fans think of between the vintage bags versus 1941 bags? Are they the same quality because its glove tanned leather?
This was such a great video and so very informative . I have outlet purchases and retail and 1941 I’m new to the different lines of Coach, this really helps and I do see the difference but overall their absolutely beautiful . Thank you so much for sharing 🙂😍
Thank you for watching and commenting! All of their products are definitely beautiful.
So the reserve bags on the outlet website are actually "flagship"/boutique bags?
Yes! "Reserve" are boutique items.
@@CoachCraze Thanks ❤️❤️
I was just at the Coach outlet and picked up the Coach Gallery tote in black cross grain leather with gold details. Scored it for $99.00 It's a beautiful bag! I will say the Coach outlet is a gimmick because they price tags on the bags at the outlets are higher than the price tags at the Coach boutique but than the outlet will give you 70% off.
I’m in love with the Willis line as well I’m obsessed....on the website that green one....I’m lost for words
Willis is gorgeous! Also part of the 1941 line.
The detailing on 1941 is soooo sick... I’m saving...I get so nervous
And by the way who needs Birkin...I will take the rogue any day
@@rachelrodgers820 😂😂 Same here!
How can you tell the difference between 1941 and Coach New York?
Great question! Some of the best ways to determine that an item is from the 1941 collection are (some items may have all of these characteristics, some may only have one or two): the 1941 symbol; 1941 zipper/pulls; the words "Genuine glovetanned pebble leather" or "Genuine glovetanned leather" stamped somewhere on the item; clochette; hang tags with thick hardware (some that say "1941"); light colored jacquard canvas interior; the numbers "1941" printed somewhere on item; thick, white cotton dust bag; thick, white, oversized price tag...
So the rogues are different from retail stores I know rogues are not in retail anymore but I seen some on the outlet site
I also think of Tory Burch. I don’t think Kate spade is even close to the quality of coach esp the 1941. I’m a Chanel.. Louis Vuitton.. Chloe... etc collector and the coach 1941 is hands down some of the best quality. I bought the snakeskin rogue 25 and wow! Just plain wow! Craftsmanship is hands down some of the best I’ve seen. Their glazing puts lv to shame and I own way more lv than I do coach at this point. I’ve just rediscovered coach. I carry what I like regardless of price or brand. Right now I’m carrying my rogue 25 ♥️ great video
Thank you for commenting! I love hearing what those who collect luxury brands think of Coach. Sounds like you have an amazing collection!
And that Whipstitch snakeskin Rogue is INCREDIBLE! Definitely one of my favorites.
I went to tory burch outlet a couple of times and the quality of the outlet bags are not great. I bought a tory burch bag from bloomingdale's on sale and the quality is alot better
Yeah, the Coach quality is insane. IN-SANE. Definitely up there with the luxury houses, yet a fraction of the price! At times I feel crazy for even looking at high end luxury brand because you can get something just as great for much cheaper.
This is the very reason I don't purchase high end/luxury bags.
i love when you yell at Alexa!!
😂😂🤦🏾♀️
I only purchase bags from the retail line but will buy from the Coach retail store, the retail section of the outlet and resale. I miss browsing the outlet for retail bags so much right now, it is like a treasure hunt. I find resellers that list outlet line of bags higher priced than selling for in the outlet with a very high “retail” price to be very distasteful and misleading. I love both your dreamer and that rogue (it’s the one I want the most). Also the whipstitch cardholder. The men’s outlet has way cooler slgs IMO, my outlet slgs are all from the men’s shop.
What about the coach handbags sold in Macy’s, and other department stores? What quality is that.
Most of those are Coach New York, so excellent quality. A few 1941 products are sold by department stores, also.
Coach Craze thank you
Tq
8:04 this should save you guys some time......if you're anything like me this is all you're here for lol
Hi Alana..Great video! I completely agree with you. The Outlet is great but....Coach retail is in a class by itself. Thank you for the very informative video. Thank you for sharing 💖
Thank you for watching and commenting!
Ms. Lady your bags are beautiful but I look at your site and some of the purses that you demonstrate are located at the Coach Factory because I myself have pursed some of the same purses that you have. So I don’t understand why you say the leather is different from retail when it looks like some of your purses are located at the outlet, just saying coach purses are simply beautiful at the outlet or retail store. Again your bags are lovely 😊
Retail bags are clearanced out at the outlet, that is why you can find them there from time to time. Made for outlet merchandise are not the same quality leather not to say they are not good. I had bags that lasted 10+ yrs from the outlet.
I mean coach outfit carry flagship items in a small section of the store and I do mean a small section depends on what they get in from the truck and can be purchased from the outlet for a heavy cheaper discount so something like they discontinued it from the retail/flagship store etc but it depends I look and listen to some TH-camrs about retail vs outlet and it’s definitely a different in materials but sometimes you can get lucky and get retail from outlet store and sometime if you Ask the salesperson where is your retail/flagship items located at sometimes they are in the back
coach is ok, but you dont get that wow factor/expression as you do from a Gucci or Louie V.
I don't buy outlet bags because of the hardware. You could have a nice leather bag but if it's got cheap imitation gold hardware, it ruins the style.
yes, coach is considered contemporary, not luxury
People stop being so snobbie it's the same coach, but, they have to cut some corners so that they can mass-produce these items.
I only buy retail ,but have won two factory COACH bags from a coach Bingo,which still excited me ,because COACH is my brand.
Oh, heck yes! Who wouldn't be excited about some FREE bags, no matter where they came from!😂 Thanks for watching!
Oh honey dear, a lot of great info no doubt, but the whole video came off incoherent mumbling... If u wanna do a video about info, script it, unless you are a natural orator.