I'm excited to FINALLY be able to get this video out to you all! Hopefully you enjoy watching this video as much as I enjoyed making it. Thank you so much for watching!
Just discovered this bag today! I melted when I saw it. My perfect classic, timeless bag! Gonna get one for myself as my graduation gift! 💝 wish they made the new ones with lock and key!!
Rogue is one of the best handbag I've ever had. I got 2 of them in the size 25 and never ever thinking about to let them go. And that's also the reason why I subscribed to your channel: because of the Rogue. TFS and take care, Allana.
Another Rougue Lover here. I have 4. I have two 25's and two 30's. Love Love Love!!!! Also I found 2 Coach Lock Bag Charms on Mercari that I put on My Bags. So Happy!!👜👜👜👜
I purchased my first rogue this year. I saw it before but was more into the dreamer line. After seeing reviews and your videos I got one second hand for a decent price. I loved it so much I now have 4. I'm lucky that the coach outlet still has some of them and I got some the specialty ones for a really good price. Your videos are so informative and it's nice to find someone who know so much about the product. I'm now in a coach daze. My collection gradually switched from michael kors to coach as I've gotten older. I just find coach bags to be timeless (if you get the right ones).
Sounds like you have an amazing collection! Your journey sounds like mine; once I discovered the Rogue and the 1941 line, I began selling most of my other brand bags and replacing them with Coach. Their quality is amazing, and their prices are ridiculously great when compared to other high end brands of the same quality.
Right! How heavy could the lock have been? The key definitely isn't that heavy. Had they just switched out the buffalo embossed leather details, and changed the handle and piping filler like they did, I think it would have been enough to lighten the bag. And then they could have kept the lock and key, which are removable anyway, so those who still considered it to be too heavy could simply remove the lock and key.
Thanks for the video! This was very informative because I've noticed over the years (because I was thinking about buying myself a rogue 25 bag) that there were minor style adjustments (i.e. the handle and the leather) and wasn't sure if I was going crazy. I just checked the rogue 25 bag, I bought for my mother years back (she loves and uses it alot)- noticed it ends in 20315 so it was part of the first batch of the 2nd gen. Definitely not too heavy and well-made haha (in great condition after all these years)
@@CoachCraze grey with oxblood interior. Second generation but I don't think an earlier one. Still very pretty and my favorite bag! Thank you again for your info 🥰
This was one of the videos that taught me about rouge details and the differences between generations. Must have forgotten the bit about the handles but I love that I know that now with my own new purchase!
Great review! I have a second gen and it is also my absolute most fav bag ever. I just ordered a third gen in the same color as your third gen and I am so thankful for your information about it.
Thank you! Glad if it was helpful. Every generation of the Rogue is great. And this slate color is AMAZING, esp with the blue interior. Which 2nd gen do you have?
Yes, extremely helpful! I would have been looking for the the little hanging locket case for sure. I have the 30 rouge in the color melon with oxblood suede interior.
Thanks for all of your research, Alana, I find this stuff fascinating. I know you helped me so much in the group when I purchased my first 25. I’d love to see a similar video on the Rogue 25’s 🙂 maybe including the different markings, etc.
Thanks for this video it puts the nail in the coffin for my search for more rogues and will sell the ones I have. Coach should not have cheapened this gorgeous bag!!!
So information!! I love these beautiful classic bags, such a bummer they are not selling them anymore more. I love the size of these, the 25 is to small for me.
Hi Alana, Thank you for your review and history of the Rogue bag. I have four 2nd generation Rogues and I love them all! In 2016, when I bought my Oxblood Rogue it was my first purchase from Coach in over twenty years. I have to say, Coach really did themselves proud when they designed this winner!!! 🥰
Coach Craze Your welcome! I enjoy your channel and your enthusiasm for Coach.😊. I have the size 30 Rogues in Oxblood, Black, Ivy and Sage. I love the coordinating suede and leather outside pockets. Red and goldenrod suede on the Oxblood and Black Rogues; Light green leather with bows on the Ivy Rogue; and sage green leather on the Sage Rogue. ❤️
Thank you for sharing your knowledge. I just bought a 2nd gen. Rogue 31 in peony and brass hardware! Not sure of the suede interior if it is oxblood? So soft, supple, and slouchy! Then I just bought a 2nd gen Rogue 25 in denim, brass hardware, and honey or marigold interior - with the 20315 number! It took a lot of research, but it was worth it. Thank you for the video and all the extra information you stated in the discussion box below it. So in love with my new bags! I would love to get a first generation Rogue one day. Saw a couple on eBay for up to $1,000. Too steep for me right now! ☺️💕
Great video! I had no idea it used to come with a lock and key. It’s so sad they stopped that. I’m sure you’ve seen the newest iteration of the rogue up on the site now. They offer it in birch, grey, and black but they have removed the piping and it looks a lot stiffer and they are all mono-toned. They also now are making them in that “regenerative” leather which is just bonded leather. Ladies, don’t spend your hard earned money on that regenerative leather. So sad that the quality has gone down. I have two rogues and while I would love to get one custom made, I also love getting a deal in the sales which of course is not possible for custom. Have you seen much in the way of fake rogues in the secondhand market? It would be great if you could do a video comparing all the stamping and differing details across all the different generations of rogues since you have such a big collection. I would find that kind of video really helpful as I think I will want to go to the secondhand market to look for classic rogues in good shape to buy. Thank you. God bless.
In 2015 Coach was sold to Tapestry maybe they waited a couple of years in order to make those big changes. The products was looking to mainstream, cluttered and it was just all over the place. Now the bags looks classy and even more high end. They don’t have to scream Coach with all the Cs printed on them or the Coach log like it use to, but you still know it’s Coach. I love them now.
Hey Alana, love this comparison of the Rogues! I definitely agree that gen 2 and 3 feel quite different (I'm still waiting for my gen 1 to come in to put it to the measure as well). I want to share some other observations I have made as well between one of my gen 2s and one of my gen 3s: - length of bag: 31.5 cm vs 31 cm - thickness of shoulder straps: 4.4mm vs 5.1mm - thickness of exterior facing leather: 3.1mm vs 2.9-3.0mm - gen 3 hardware operates much more smoothly and has a more "shiny" finish applied This is not much data of course, based on 1 gen 2 and 2 gen 3s but even though gen 3 removed some of the features, I've found the hardware oddly better. Have you experienced the same with the straps and hardware? I really wish companies would be more transparent about the materials that they use. Glovetanned leather is such a mystery. I'm hoping that someday, I can get a few damaged Rogues so I can dissect them and we can see what the changes have been internally. For example: are the bottoms of gen 3s reinforced differently after the leather piece on the feet have gone?
Excellent observations! Thank you for that info. I hadn't measured the 2nd and 3rd against each other, and also hadn't noticed any differences in the straps and hw because I have only one 3rd gen, which is a 25. I did weigh them, though, and the 3rd gen was 3 ounces heavier than the 2nd gen, which was surprising to me. OH! Now that I think about it, I also weighed a single strap from each gen Rogue, and the 2nd and 3rd gen were the EXACT same weight. The 1st gen strap was a little more, possibly due to the buffalo embossed leather? Who knows. Dissecting beat up Rogues would be fun! Let's do it!😄👍🏽 I'm definitely curious to know if Coach reinforced the bottom of the 3rd gen. Because I personally think that the way the bag sits is at least a LITTLE affected by the leather strips (I could be completely wrong, though). I do know that, without the leather strips, the bag sits lower to the ground (I measured them awhile back, but forgot the exact measurements), thus giving more of a chance for the bottom corners to get messed up.
I love your collection of stunning Rogues, my only wish is the handles would drop to the outside of bag and a wide shoulder strap was part of the accessories. I find the third generation of Rogue overall lighter, especially the 25 size, leather still lush and beautiful...I agree about weight being an issue, it is for me! Many bag companies have changed the hardware load to keep them less heavy, and easier to carry. Especially with a suede or leather interior. You see this with Dooney and Bourke... they continue to produce their line of heavier Florentine bags, but have developed other streamline styles less heavy. Louis Vuitton, Dior, Fendi and even Channel all are doing this on some of their bag lines. Hermès has not changed with their classic handcrafted bags which are mega heavy...why the small sizes are so popular. Leathers are unique by nature...so each bag will have a different hand and Polish. Love my new Rogue find...thanks for your helpful insights. I think the term “natural” means it is not faux for those clients who may be sensitive to buying cow hides. Not many people may get the “glove” description these days. Great video 😀
Very great points! Love all of this info. Thanks for sharing! I agree, had the handles on the Rogue been designed to drop down, I'd love them even more. And wider straps would have been amazing, also. I love that bag companies create lighter weight styles along WITH their heavier styles. That way, those who have issues with weight and those who don't have options.
Coach Craze I agree..wish Coach would have just kept this line intact and design light weight version. I do know you can coax the handles to drop to the outside..but it does stretch the leather to do it..what I have done to cope with this issue on my bag..I want to use that outside pocket. I have a third generation piece..because it is a tad lighter, the leather is lovely on mine. I am also using my Cassie strap to cross body on my rogue, happens to match color :-) I have learned a lot from you ❤️ Thank you
Thank you so much for your very thorough review. I’ve had my eye on this bag but was always deterred from purchasing because I couldn’t figure out the differences in the “generations”. Also some of the preloved bags seemed more saggy than others- and you explain very well why. Good job! OH.. is there any way to tell from the serial number what “generation” bag it is? Is there a date code?
Hey. Was wondering if you could answer a question about which generation bag i have. So, it's not first or second because it doesn't have the lock & key or the kisslock pocket in the middle section. Although, unlike the one you showed, it has the extra strip of leather on the bottom under the feet. Its a Rogue 39, i don't know if that makes a difference though. Thanks for any insight you might have.
Wonderfully informative and detailed comparison! Thanks Alana. Do you know if it's true that Coach is redesigning the Rogue? Wonder what it'll be like. TFS 😍
Thank you! Not sure. I've heard a rumor that they are, but I doubt that a redesigned Rogue would be as great. Almost all redesigns aren't as great as the original. Who knows, though! We'll see.
Hey honey! Thank you for the video!! Do you feel like the handles are thicker from the gen 2 to the gen 3? I have a new to me gen 2 in dark denim and I just want to make sure I’m not going crazy! Lol
Hi Alana, thanks for your video. I did learn a lot from it. One additional questions regarding the 3rd generation. As for the zip head, it does not show 'YKK' any more, correct? This is what i noticed and i hope to confirm that as i do not want to get a fake one in the end. Thanks.
Yes, I use them. The one with the price tag was purchased about a week and a half ago, and I haven't had a chance to use it due to being quarantined.🙄 I haven't been using ANY of my bags during this time because I don't want to have to disinfect them because it dries out the leather. But this one will be one of the FIRST bags I use once I start taking bags out again.
Can you explain about the horse and carriage hangtag? Is it different size in every generation? I trying to buy a secndhand rogue 25 in 2 hangtag series.. the seller give the photos of the tag, anf somehow I find thatbthe horse is much smaller than the horse in the rogue tag that i've seen before.. is it the variation or the seller show a fake rogue?
I want a 30 my favorite handbag....but I have came across another bag...that I adore and must have....could you please help guide me to it...it’s the Coach Gramercy Satchel...I NEED this bag!!!!!❤️
The first generation looks classic, durable and the piece which worth to invest in. The rest generations are bags only. Coach need to focus more on quality rather than few ounces weight on a really quality bag if it wants to compete in the brand market.
Hi Alana, i have a cuestion about a Rogue i bought off Mercari and i was wondering if you could help me out, its a rogue 25 in chalk in excellent pre owned condition but what caught my eye is the glazing looks a little more reddish than oxblood and the inside leather creed patch(its that how its called?) The numbers are different than my other rogues 25, it has RG-20315 and there’s a white little stripe inside the zipper pocket that says H1680 and below says 54536, i was checking on the Rogue forum someone asking something like this a while ago and she was told that the handbag was maybe one of the first 25’s made in 2016, the leather of my Rogue feels the same as my others, smells the same but im curious, any help would be greatly appreciated.
The Rogues with the 20315 generic style number on the creed are the first batches of Rogues. You've got yourself an early 2nd gen 25. Lucky you! Those are a little rare now a days, and AMAZING.
Coach Craze oh wow, that’s amazing, i wanted the Rogue chalk forever and now that i have it and knowing that its one first 25’s makes it even more special, thanks for your help😊
How could I get a hold of a 1st gen Rogue? eBay? I’m blown away by the details of the 1st gen, I’m guessing I have a 2nd gen because I have a 39 in oxblood and black (or pewter or whatever the heck the call The black matte) hardware, I love it but always thought something was missing since I think (I need to get that bag out again, haven’t used it in a while) the zipper has a hole to fit a lock, it’s not like the 1st gen, the zipper handles are solid but the ends hace this hole that when both zipper ends get together the intertwine perfectly so you can get the lock through the hole on the zipper ends, the thing is, since I bought mine from a concession store and they are zero careful with the accessories that come with the bag I don’t know why but I suspect my rogue is missing a lock, but if you’re correct, and based on your info my Rogue is 2nd gen, then it actually doesn’t come with one. Thank you so much for the info, you are really good at researching this details!
It's relatively new-ish. Also, a bit underrated, imo. If I ever get it, I'll do a video on it. I do know that I showed it in one of my "Come Browse With Me" videos last year. Let me go look for the video...
I'm quite confused about the code. I have seen rogues with 20315 and some are 54536. How do you tell the year from the code? I recently got one that's B1880-54536 in chalk. Is that right? I can't find 54536 in chalk on Google so I'm a little worried that it may be a fake.
First, 20315 was a generic style number they threw on the creed of all of the earliest Rogues ("RG-20315"). But inside of the interior zip pocket of each of those Rogues was a small white tag that had the actual official style number (for instance, "54536," which is the official style number for the plain Rogue 25s). The date code is in the first set of digits. The first letter in the first set of digits indicates the month the bag was produced (A=Jan, B=Feb, C=March, etc...all the way up to M=Dec). The second two numbers following the first letter indicates the year the bag was produced ('18=2018, '20=2020, etc.). And the two final numbers indicates the location it was manufactured. So, your Rogue (B1880-54536), which is size 25, was made in Feb, 2018.
Really useful info! It's a shame coach does this to their bags. It seems they did something similar to the quality of the Prairie before making it an outlet style.
I THINK THE 3RD GENERATION ,THE LEATHER IS MUCH THICKER . THE FIRST GENERATION IS THINNER STURDIER LEATHER. 2ND GEN LEATHER IS NICE ALSO.MY SLATE BAG WAS HEAVY AND THICK IT WAS MADE VERY WELL AND DIDN'T FLOP,I HAD A MARINE 2ND GENERATION,THE LEATHER WAS VERY THIN AND FLOPPY. JUNK IMO. LEATRLEA
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Just discovered this bag today! I melted when I saw it. My perfect classic, timeless bag! Gonna get one for myself as my graduation gift! 💝 wish they made the new ones with lock and key!!
Beautiful bags! Thanks for all of the information! Love first and second generations the most.
Same here! They're incredible.
Which colors do you have?
Rogue is one of the best handbag I've ever had. I got 2 of them in the size 25 and never ever thinking about to let them go. And that's also the reason why I subscribed to your channel: because of the Rogue. TFS and take care, Allana.
Yes! A fellow Rogue lover! It really is the best, isn't it? I have several that I will NEVER let go of, also.
Thank you for subscribing!
Another Rougue Lover here. I have 4. I have two 25's and two 30's.
Love Love Love!!!!
Also I found 2 Coach Lock Bag Charms on Mercari that I put on My Bags. So Happy!!👜👜👜👜
I purchased my first rogue this year. I saw it before but was more into the dreamer line. After seeing reviews and your videos I got one second hand for a decent price. I loved it so much I now have 4. I'm lucky that the coach outlet still has some of them and I got some the specialty ones for a really good price. Your videos are so informative and it's nice to find someone who know so much about the product. I'm now in a coach daze. My collection gradually switched from michael kors to coach as I've gotten older. I just find coach bags to be timeless (if you get the right ones).
Sounds like you have an amazing collection! Your journey sounds like mine; once I discovered the Rogue and the 1941 line, I began selling most of my other brand bags and replacing them with Coach. Their quality is amazing, and their prices are ridiculously great when compared to other high end brands of the same quality.
So interesting! They are all beautiful. Thanks for sharing! Peace and love...Suz What 🌻🌼🌻🌼
They really are! Coach outdid themselves with this style.
Thanks for supporting my channel, my lovely friend!
Very informative! I really appropriate your knowledge of Coach brand bags!!!!
Very informative. Love all of them. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you! And thanks so much for watching!
I believe everything you’re saying. I’m glad I got the first gen. I would love a 39 in the black prairie rivets style. TFS🌺
Oooh, which 1st gen do you have? A 39 with PR would be amazing.
Thanks for all this information I was late to the Rogues but the few I have I love. Tfs all your knowledge
I was two years late, also. Better late than never, right?😂 They really are the best. Yours are beautiful!
Thanks for this comparison. I would love to get my hands on a first generation TFS💚👜💚👜
They're incredible! Fingers crossed that you find one.🤞🏽🤞🏽
Thank you for watching!
Excellent presentation!
Thank you!
fabulous!!! the lock and key can't be that heavy...I wish they kept it!!!! Thanks for the fun video...wish it was longer..
Right! How heavy could the lock have been? The key definitely isn't that heavy. Had they just switched out the buffalo embossed leather details, and changed the handle and piping filler like they did, I think it would have been enough to lighten the bag. And then they could have kept the lock and key, which are removable anyway, so those who still considered it to be too heavy could simply remove the lock and key.
Fabulous video - would love to see your rogue collection
Thank you! And I will be doing an updated Rogue collection video soon.
Thanks for the video! This was very informative because I've noticed over the years (because I was thinking about buying myself a rogue 25 bag) that there were minor style adjustments (i.e. the handle and the leather) and wasn't sure if I was going crazy. I just checked the rogue 25 bag, I bought for my mother years back (she loves and uses it alot)- noticed it ends in 20315 so it was part of the first batch of the 2nd gen. Definitely not too heavy and well-made haha (in great condition after all these years)
I just wanted to come here and say thank you, this video helped me a lot when buying my first rogue today in the outlet!
Fantastic! So glad if any of this info helped.
Congrats on your Rogue! Which one was it??
@@CoachCraze grey with oxblood interior. Second generation but I don't think an earlier one. Still very pretty and my favorite bag! Thank you again for your info 🥰
Thank you so much amazing video, so informative I learned so much
They’re all so beautiful. The light blue is gorgeous.
Slate is an incredibly pretty color.
This was so helpful! Thank you!
Glad to hear! Thank you for watching!
This was one of the videos that taught me about rouge details and the differences between generations. Must have forgotten the bit about the handles but I love that I know that now with my own new purchase!
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Great review! I have a second gen and it is also my absolute most fav bag ever. I just ordered a third gen in the same color as your third gen and I am so thankful for your information about it.
Thank you! Glad if it was helpful.
Every generation of the Rogue is great. And this slate color is AMAZING, esp with the blue interior.
Which 2nd gen do you have?
Yes, extremely helpful! I would have been looking for the the little hanging locket case for sure. I have the 30 rouge in the color melon with oxblood suede interior.
Thanks for all of your research, Alana, I find this stuff fascinating. I know you helped me so much in the group when I purchased my first 25. I’d love to see a similar video on the Rogue 25’s 🙂 maybe including the different markings, etc.
❤❤❤ it is fascinating stuff, right?
A similar video on 25s would be cool. I'll try to get that out sometime. 👍🏽
I love your all of coach videos.
Thank you!
So helpful, thank you!
I love your love for the rogue. I have 2 and I love them both
Haha thanks! Sometimes I think I'm a little TOO "obsessed."🤦🏾♀️😂
Which two Rogues do you have??
Thanks for this video it puts the nail in the coffin for my search for more rogues and will sell the ones I have. Coach should not have cheapened this gorgeous bag!!!
I agree. They really shouldn't have changed the original version THIS much.
Good luck in your search!
So information!! I love these beautiful classic bags, such a bummer they are not selling them anymore more. I love the size of these, the 25 is to small for me.
Very thorough video! I really learned a lot and have a better understanding. Now I know that both of my rogues are second generation 🙂.
Awesome! Which colors are your Rogues?
@@CoachCraze I have the fuchsia in the rogue 25 and the dusty rose in the rogue 30😊
Hi Alana,
Thank you for your review and history of the Rogue bag. I have four 2nd generation Rogues and I love them all! In 2016, when I bought my Oxblood Rogue it was my first purchase from Coach in over twenty years. I have to say, Coach really did themselves proud when they designed this winner!!! 🥰
Coach sure did do themselves proud! This style is AMAZING. Best bag ever, imo.
Which four Rogues do you have??
Thanks for watching!
Coach Craze Your welcome! I enjoy your channel and your enthusiasm for Coach.😊. I have the size 30 Rogues in Oxblood, Black, Ivy and Sage. I love the coordinating suede and leather outside pockets. Red and goldenrod suede on the Oxblood and Black Rogues; Light green leather with bows on the Ivy Rogue; and sage green leather on the Sage Rogue. ❤️
@@styled4me31 oh, wow, you have an amazing assortment! A couple of glovetanned pebble leather Rogues, and a couple of smooth leather. Perfect!
Coach Craze thank you!❤️
Wow, you did your homework! Thanks for the run down!
My pleasure; it was fun! And thank YOU for watching!
Thank you for sharing your knowledge. I just bought a 2nd gen. Rogue 31 in peony and brass hardware! Not sure of the suede interior if it is oxblood? So soft, supple, and slouchy! Then I just bought a 2nd gen Rogue 25 in denim, brass hardware, and honey or marigold interior - with the 20315 number! It took a lot of research, but it was worth it. Thank you for the video and all the extra information you stated in the discussion box below it. So in love with my new bags! I would love to get a first generation Rogue one day. Saw a couple on eBay for up to $1,000. Too steep for me right now! ☺️💕
Early for Rogue class!! 🙂
Haha yaay! Hope you enjoy
Great video! I had no idea it used to come with a lock and key. It’s so sad they stopped that. I’m sure you’ve seen the newest iteration of the rogue up on the site now. They offer it in birch, grey, and black but they have removed the piping and it looks a lot stiffer and they are all mono-toned. They also now are making them in that “regenerative” leather which is just bonded leather. Ladies, don’t spend your hard earned money on that regenerative leather. So sad that the quality has gone down. I have two rogues and while I would love to get one custom made, I also love getting a deal in the sales which of course is not possible for custom. Have you seen much in the way of fake rogues in the secondhand market? It would be great if you could do a video comparing all the stamping and differing details across all the different generations of rogues since you have such a big collection. I would find that kind of video really helpful as I think I will want to go to the secondhand market to look for classic rogues in good shape to buy. Thank you. God bless.
I totally agree with you. The Rogue is the best. I need to find one on the pre loved market. 😀
It really is! Good luck finding one!
In 2015 Coach was sold to Tapestry maybe they waited a couple of years in order to make those big changes. The products was looking to mainstream, cluttered and it was just all over the place. Now the bags looks classy and even more high end. They don’t have to scream Coach with all the Cs printed on them or the Coach log like it use to, but you still know it’s Coach. I love them now.
You should never apologize for your opinion. You have no reason to be sorry.
I adore these bags. I have been dreaming of a rogue (black) for years.
Hey Alana, love this comparison of the Rogues! I definitely agree that gen 2 and 3 feel quite different (I'm still waiting for my gen 1 to come in to put it to the measure as well).
I want to share some other observations I have made as well between one of my gen 2s and one of my gen 3s:
- length of bag: 31.5 cm vs 31 cm
- thickness of shoulder straps: 4.4mm vs 5.1mm
- thickness of exterior facing leather: 3.1mm vs 2.9-3.0mm
- gen 3 hardware operates much more smoothly and has a more "shiny" finish applied
This is not much data of course, based on 1 gen 2 and 2 gen 3s but even though gen 3 removed some of the features, I've found the hardware oddly better. Have you experienced the same with the straps and hardware?
I really wish companies would be more transparent about the materials that they use. Glovetanned leather is such a mystery. I'm hoping that someday, I can get a few damaged Rogues so I can dissect them and we can see what the changes have been internally. For example: are the bottoms of gen 3s reinforced differently after the leather piece on the feet have gone?
Excellent observations! Thank you for that info. I hadn't measured the 2nd and 3rd against each other, and also hadn't noticed any differences in the straps and hw because I have only one 3rd gen, which is a 25. I did weigh them, though, and the 3rd gen was 3 ounces heavier than the 2nd gen, which was surprising to me. OH! Now that I think about it, I also weighed a single strap from each gen Rogue, and the 2nd and 3rd gen were the EXACT same weight. The 1st gen strap was a little more, possibly due to the buffalo embossed leather? Who knows.
Dissecting beat up Rogues would be fun! Let's do it!😄👍🏽 I'm definitely curious to know if Coach reinforced the bottom of the 3rd gen. Because I personally think that the way the bag sits is at least a LITTLE affected by the leather strips (I could be completely wrong, though). I do know that, without the leather strips, the bag sits lower to the ground (I measured them awhile back, but forgot the exact measurements), thus giving more of a chance for the bottom corners to get messed up.
I like the 2nd generation design of the coach rogue
I love your collection of stunning Rogues, my only wish is the handles would drop to the outside of
bag and a wide shoulder strap was part of the accessories. I find the third generation of Rogue overall lighter,
especially the 25 size, leather still lush and beautiful...I agree about weight being an issue, it is for me!
Many bag companies have changed the hardware load to keep them less heavy, and easier to carry.
Especially with a suede or leather interior. You see this with Dooney and Bourke... they continue to
produce their line of heavier Florentine bags, but have developed other streamline styles less heavy.
Louis Vuitton, Dior, Fendi and even Channel all are doing this on some of their bag lines.
Hermès has not changed with their classic handcrafted bags which are mega heavy...why the small
sizes are so popular. Leathers are unique by nature...so each bag will have a different hand and
Polish. Love my new Rogue find...thanks for your helpful insights. I think the term “natural” means
it is not faux for those clients who may be sensitive to buying cow hides. Not many people may get
the “glove” description these days. Great video 😀
Very great points! Love all of this info. Thanks for sharing!
I agree, had the handles on the Rogue been designed to drop down, I'd love them even more. And wider straps would have been amazing, also.
I love that bag companies create lighter weight styles along WITH their heavier styles. That way, those who have issues with weight and those who don't have options.
Coach Craze I agree..wish Coach would have just kept this line intact and design light weight version. I do know you can coax the handles to drop to the outside..but it does stretch the leather to do it..what I have done to cope with this issue on my bag..I want to use that outside pocket. I have a third generation piece..because it is a tad lighter, the leather is lovely on mine. I am also using my Cassie strap to cross body on my rogue, happens to match color :-) I have learned a lot from you ❤️ Thank you
i wish it still had the lock and key it really elevates the handbag
Thank you so much for your very thorough review. I’ve had my eye on this bag but was always deterred from purchasing because I couldn’t figure out the differences in the “generations”. Also some of the preloved bags seemed more saggy than others- and you explain very well why. Good job! OH.. is there any way to tell from the serial number what “generation” bag it is? Is there a date code?
Thank you! Glad if this was helpful!
Yes, the first set of digits has the month and year. Rogues with dates of '16, '17, and early '18 are 2nd gen.
Hey. Was wondering if you could answer a question about which generation bag i have. So, it's not first or second because it doesn't have the lock & key or the kisslock pocket in the middle section. Although, unlike the one you showed, it has the extra strip of leather on the bottom under the feet. Its a Rogue 39, i don't know if that makes a difference though. Thanks for any insight you might have.
Wonderfully informative and detailed comparison! Thanks Alana. Do you know if it's true that Coach is redesigning the Rogue? Wonder what it'll be like. TFS 😍
Thank you!
Not sure. I've heard a rumor that they are, but I doubt that a redesigned Rogue would be as great. Almost all redesigns aren't as great as the original. Who knows, though! We'll see.
Thanks for this. I too love the Rogue bag. Do you know which generation is the Tea Rose with snakeskin?
The black tea rose with snakeskin Rogue 31(regular size)? If so, it's 2nd generation. And STUN.NING!
Hey honey! Thank you for the video!! Do you feel like the handles are thicker from the gen 2 to the gen 3? I have a new to me gen 2 in dark denim and I just want to make sure I’m not going crazy! Lol
Okay so I think you just answered my question, I must have a first batch of the generation 2 with the thicker handle! I love it!
Hi Alana, thanks for your video. I did learn a lot from it. One additional questions regarding the 3rd generation. As for the zip head, it does not show 'YKK' any more, correct? This is what i noticed and i hope to confirm that as i do not want to get a fake one in the end. Thanks.
All of my Rogues - including 3rd gens - have YKK on the zipper heads.
Great review! Do you actually use them? I noticed a hang tag in the first one?
I have one and love it but find it heavy..
Yes, I use them. The one with the price tag was purchased about a week and a half ago, and I haven't had a chance to use it due to being quarantined.🙄 I haven't been using ANY of my bags during this time because I don't want to have to disinfect them because it dries out the leather. But this one will be one of the FIRST bags I use once I start taking bags out again.
Coach Craze I totally understand! I’m in the Netherlands and we’re able to go out more now, but still have to be careful obviously... stay safe!
Can you explain about the horse and carriage hangtag? Is it different size in every generation? I trying to buy a secndhand rogue 25 in 2 hangtag series.. the seller give the photos of the tag, anf somehow I find thatbthe horse is much smaller than the horse in the rogue tag that i've seen before.. is it the variation or the seller show a fake rogue?
There are definitely different horse and carriage hang tag sizes. Some of the "second generation" 1941 bags had larger hang tags.
The last one I need the exact style & name (the studded one) 🙂
I want a 30 my favorite handbag....but I have came across another bag...that I adore and must have....could you please help guide me to it...it’s the Coach Gramercy Satchel...I NEED this bag!!!!!❤️
I don't know much at all the Gramercy, but it is GORGEOUS. Let me know if you get one!
The outlet has several on sale right now
Yes, that's where we can purchase the Rogue now.👍🏽
The first generation looks classic, durable and the piece which worth to invest in. The rest generations are bags only. Coach need to focus more on quality rather than few ounces weight on a really quality bag if it wants to compete in the brand market.
Hi Alana, i have a cuestion about a Rogue i bought off Mercari and i was wondering if you could help me out, its a rogue 25 in chalk in excellent pre owned condition but what caught my eye is the glazing looks a little more reddish than oxblood and the inside leather creed patch(its that how its called?) The numbers are different than my other rogues 25, it has RG-20315 and there’s a white little stripe inside the zipper pocket that says H1680 and below says 54536, i was checking on the Rogue forum someone asking something like this a while ago and she was told that the handbag was maybe one of the first 25’s made in 2016, the leather of my Rogue feels the same as my others, smells the same but im curious, any help would be greatly appreciated.
The Rogues with the 20315 generic style number on the creed are the first batches of Rogues. You've got yourself an early 2nd gen 25. Lucky you! Those are a little rare now a days, and AMAZING.
Coach Craze oh wow, that’s amazing, i wanted the Rogue chalk forever and now that i have it and knowing that its one first 25’s makes it even more special, thanks for your help😊
How could I get a hold of a 1st gen Rogue? eBay? I’m blown away by the details of the 1st gen, I’m guessing I have a 2nd gen because I have a 39 in oxblood and black (or pewter or whatever the heck the call
The black matte) hardware, I love it but always thought something was missing since I think (I need to get that bag out again, haven’t used it in a while) the zipper has a hole to fit a lock, it’s not like the 1st gen, the zipper handles are solid but the ends hace this hole that when both zipper ends get together the intertwine perfectly so you can get the lock through the hole on the zipper ends, the thing is, since I bought mine from a concession store and they are zero careful with the accessories that come with the bag I don’t know why but I suspect my rogue is missing a lock, but if you’re correct, and based on your info my Rogue is 2nd gen, then it actually doesn’t come with one. Thank you so much for the info, you are really good at researching this details!
Yes, your 39 would be 2nd or 3rd gen. All of the 1st gen Rogues are size 31. Every other size was either 2nd or 3rd gen.
I was thinking to buy the ellie satchel but couldn't find much videos on it
It's relatively new-ish. Also, a bit underrated, imo. If I ever get it, I'll do a video on it. I do know that I showed it in one of my "Come Browse With Me" videos last year. Let me go look for the video...
Hey do you have a video on the hidden stamp and how it isn’t present on the older rouge bags?
I don't believe so.
I'm quite confused about the code. I have seen rogues with 20315 and some are 54536. How do you tell the year from the code? I recently got one that's B1880-54536 in chalk. Is that right? I can't find 54536 in chalk on Google so I'm a little worried that it may be a fake.
First, 20315 was a generic style number they threw on the creed of all of the earliest Rogues ("RG-20315"). But inside of the interior zip pocket of each of those Rogues was a small white tag that had the actual official style number (for instance, "54536," which is the official style number for the plain Rogue 25s).
The date code is in the first set of digits. The first letter in the first set of digits indicates the month the bag was produced (A=Jan, B=Feb, C=March, etc...all the way up to M=Dec). The second two numbers following the first letter indicates the year the bag was produced ('18=2018, '20=2020, etc.). And the two final numbers indicates the location it was manufactured. So, your Rogue (B1880-54536), which is size 25, was made in Feb, 2018.
@@CoachCraze Wow really cool!! You are so knowledgeable. Thank you!
@@happylucky6499 thanks! Glad if it helped!
Really useful info! It's a shame coach does this to their bags. It seems they did something similar to the quality of the Prairie before making it an outlet style.
Prairie satchel I mean
It's very sad.
Rogue is the ONLY Coach handbag I would use ...Take it from a person that uses Dior, Fendi, Delvaux, Moynat, etc. ...
Hi!!! im searching for a rogue 25 in grey maybe do you know where i can find it????
I would look on resell sites like Ebay, Poshmark, Mercari, etc.
Good luck!🤞🏽🤞🏽
are most of your rogues bought second hand? how do you know for sure if its authentic? i just bought a sencond gen and i just want piece of mind lol
Do you sell any of your rogues
Sometimes. In Facebook groups
I agree the Rogue is a beautiful bag .. And I do not even like Coach in general ...
I THINK THE 3RD GENERATION ,THE LEATHER IS MUCH THICKER . THE FIRST GENERATION IS THINNER STURDIER LEATHER. 2ND GEN LEATHER IS NICE ALSO.MY SLATE BAG WAS HEAVY AND THICK IT WAS MADE VERY WELL AND DIDN'T FLOP,I HAD A MARINE 2ND GENERATION,THE LEATHER WAS VERY THIN AND FLOPPY. JUNK IMO.
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