Secret Life Of The Intake Manifold - Talking About
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ส.ค. 2024
- The ever innovative crew at Garage 54 just dropped a video of a Lada engine running on a home made see through intake manifold, and it illustrates perfectly some of the much talked about but never seen dynamics at work in the intake runner.
Here's some of what we got out of it and how it ties to previous videos we've done on the subject.
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Why use the factory 4 barrel intake? It's gotta be 25 or 30 pounds heavier than an aluminum aftermarket intake manifold. They do make good rowboat anchors though.
Because:
A) Not all of our viewers want an aftermarket manifold
B) Not all of our viewers can afford an aftermarket intake manifold
C) Some of our viewers work with engines that don't have aftermarket manifolds available for them.
D) Some viewers are only wanting to maximize their otherwise stock engines
E) Some viewers are mostly interested in restoration type builds
F) Some factory cast intake manifolds are excellent pieces that just need refinement
G) Because making improvements to factory parts can be very satisfying for some
H) The sleeper effect
I) Not everyone has a rowboat to use their old manifold on....
@@UncleTonysGarage okay. Got it.
@@UncleTonysGarage You brought up something that has continually sat in the back of my mind. If smooth intake ports are better than bumpy, then why didn't they come from the factory smooth? I have forever thought if a car company can get better efficiency out of their engines they would do it from the factory. This video cements my theory of "not" making intake ports smooth.
Voodoo sciences. Thanks for this one! and next question would be, what happens inside the head, bumpy versus smoothed?
cheers
@@rockroll3983 Next time you fly try to get a seat by the wing. Hope for flying through rain. You will see the water droplets on the surface of the wing barely move, even though the plane is flying 300-400 mph. A droplet might take 5 minutes to go from leading edge to trailing edge. That's due to the boundary layer. The boundary layer lubricates the airflow of the layer above it, and that lubricates the layer above that, and so on. You want that effect inside your manifold, too.
@@UncleTonysGarage
J) because Uncle Tony said so!
K) because it's free and you know it fits and works with all your other parts
L)...... I got nothing for L, but at least now you know a good portion of the alphabet! good luck with the rest (L)o(L)
My truck has see through floor pans . Not to brag or anything
Best thing is, you dont always have to pay for that option from the factory. You can always get it for free later.
On a quiet night you can hear a Dodge rust.
@@johncholmes643 actually that one's pretty good , It's my ford that's had the frame fixed a dozen times
I have 2 dozen eggs that I'm willing to trade.
I mean ,I've got a see thru head cause momma's always saying in one ear and out the other 🤣🤣
F.I.A.T. built a factory in the former Soviet Union and they started building F.I.A.T. 124 sedans, under license there. The Soviets named the product "LADA" and reportedly built them with thicker sheet metal, in order to better withstand harsh salty winters. They dropped in their own designed engines of which were single overhead-camshaft types. The Italian 124s were using smooth-as-silk dual overhead-camshaft engines
As I was watching that Garage 54 video and saw the condensate gas on the intake runners, all I could think about was "if Tony sees this, he's going to be all SEE I WAS RIGHT" and here the video is LOL
TONY IS SUCH A WEALTH OF INFORMATION.
I really enjoy Garage54. Its just a fun channel to watch. They experiment on cheap cars anyone can get their hands on and I love the formula.
6:53 There is a video of Jon Kaase doing intake testing with a clear intake. He also has a hole in one of the runners that he sticks his finger into while the engine is running. You can see the pulse moving his finger back and forth.
LOL, I was just posting this.
Motorheads are universal. Such a fun experiment. The results were clear... I'll show myself out.
SmarterEveryDay has some interesting stuff. A while back they had a transparent carburator showing the venturi effect in the carb. He recently had a video showing fuel injectors being tested and how they inject fuel. As a bonus he had a real neat video of an electric engineer who worked on the Apollo mission giving a tour at the rocket center in Huntsville where they made the Saturn V rockets for the Apollo program.
th-cam.com/video/toVfvRhWbj8/w-d-xo.html this is the see through carb video
I showed up for the next installment of the 4L Jeep engine series. This was extremely interesting. Been a fan of UTG since beginning of Bottle Rocket and this is why. Tony peppers these pearls of knowledge in all the time. Keep your seatbelts fastened and your eyes open you don't want to miss any of the ride. 😎
I agree. "Tony peppers these pearls of knowledge in all the time."
Been watching Garage54 for years. Those guys are great. They do some of the most interesting stuff, and then follow it up with something hilarious. Like making a Lada that does a wheelie, (with some help) to making one with square wheels, or the screw on the driveshaft to try and assist a Lada go off road.
I hope you have been watching Charlie's videos on your 318. He is doing an incredible amount of work on the heads and the single and dual plane intakes with all of the numbers you can ask for.
Where are those videos? I thought DV was doing the heads.
@@billsmopars4927 Charles Servedio
@@dondotterer24 Thx.
You think he isn't keeping tabs on that project?
@@nastybastardatlive Don't know. He and David Vizard has not said much about the heads or intakes Charlie is doing.
Garage 54 is a wacky channel, they do the craziest shit, WOODEN PISTONS! My god what havent they done. Cheers from Canada.
Gearheads are universal, no matter what language. I watched the differential and oil pan episodes and I must say that it knocked a couple of things off of my gearhead bucket list. I still want to see one of Ernie Elliotts intakes from the late 80’s to early 90’s cut open and dissected. We were told Swirl technology, but I would like to actually see one.
Of course , back in the day believe it or not hot rodding existed in europe too with just another name. I remember gearheads butchering 2CVs into speed machines with no money
Uncle Tony & Garage 54 collab gotttttta happen
Sonic pulse, waves moving back and forth... there is a section in the now out of print (but you can pick up used) "The Two-Stroke Tuner's Handbook", by Gordon Jennings, where he discusses how tuned pipes work. You can find this online downloadable as a pdf at no cost.
Привет!!! Неожиданно было услышать от вас про Гараж 54... Спасибо за ваши видео!!!
I love this science stuff...SMOKEY JR...this is a gift GOD has given to you...I am glad to see you run with it....trust me you are good at it...
Love Garage 54. 107% success on their experiments.
I can see Tony in his groove. The videos are getting better and better. Right on!👍
I'm pretty sure Smokey Yunick made an intake that made the mixture visible while the engine was running. He described in his book that at wide open throttle there would be streams of fuel running along the bottom of the runners. The Garage 54 guys had a similar experience, IMHO. Pretty cool to finally see it. Thank you for recommending it!
Hi Uncle Tony
Watching you in Vietnam with family. YOU A BIG HIT WITH THE MEN . What's happening with the 318 project
Cheers from NhaTrang
That 54 garage video reminded me of my younger days for some reason
Loda Ladas. :-). When I went to Ukraine in 2009, many taxis were Ladas. Some Volgas ad a few Chev Aveo, built in Poland. Virtually all were manual transmission. One Aveo had an automatic.
Virtually all the carbureted cars popped through the carb. Accelerator pump probably set for minimal pump shot to save on fuel. All the injected cars had the check engine light illuminated, probably for a similar reason. They fiddled with something for fuel economy.
Those guys at Garage54 are pretty inventive guys. Have to give them credit. Now the one where they cut one Lada engine in half and welded two cylinders on to another engine and did the same to the crankshaft was definately out there to made a six. They did get it running.
I just got those Chinese afr enforcer heads the dna version and a eldebrock air gap Nascar (its black and cost 200 more) on ebay for the price of a speed pro going to do a 1206 to bolth but ended up with a 4340 forged stroker crank and h beam rods so should have whent a single pain and whent all out
Sorry, I know you said no politics but... UNCLE TONY FOR PRESIDENT!
Tech talk with our Uncle Tony..
Shut up and listen for a few would ya ..
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It was a very good video, I love intake manifold tech!
Great one,visually pictured entire sequences
See thru intake... yes! Great garage54 video
I saw your video explaining blueprinting before seeing this one just the way it came to me thank you for both they helped me understand some things I didn't before I've seen some of those guys videos about the see through parts they are very interesting
First thing I thought while watching the Garage 54 video. UTG needs to see this!
Hah me three
One of these days Tony I really want to hear your take on using gaseous fuel such as propane and wood gas and how those same characteristics that dictate so much with a liquid fuel how they are affected a gaseous fuel
Tony you're killing these days. Really good shows lately. Hope some day to cross paths and shake hands or bump knuckles or what ever. The guests on the show cool guys. Always looking forward to next show.
Thanks Tony
Great information, thanks.
Yeah i saw it too, love those garage 54 guys
As I watch these vids, I see as you work on your Mopar engines, you never reference any other Mopar experts. As knowledgeable as Mr. Vizard is, he's very obviously never worked on mopars, and theres many more examples of people working on, experimenting, grinding and testing every idea out there, on mostly Chevy, and some on Fords. Who's our Mopar guy?? Where is the David Vizard of the Mopar world?? I would subscribe and follow that guy in a heartbeat as I am following your great channel.
Hahahaha.. I love that crew! They do some of the wildest things! I've watched a ton of them. Haven't seen the intake one tho.
Garage 54 is always entertaining.
Good job UTG
Great videos, yours and theirs. Hot rodding is the answer to world peace.
Some pretty interesting stuff. I just cleaned up the old spread bore intake that came on my 327 large journal today. I believe it’s original, 1968. I think I’m going to finish cleaning it up and run it for a bit on the 327 and start with that. I’ll probably run it in the 55 Chevy for a bit just to see how it goes. Honestly I’m sick and tired of all the bolt on crap and I plan on building a 68 Camaro for the wife in the future and this would make perfect sense to keep that way. Good stuff.
Garage 54, when rednecks don't leave the mother country. I love that channel.
Garage 54 and UTG are my favorite TH-cam gearhead channels.
very informative video thank you 🤙🤙
I love garage54 and there crazy Russian shenanigans the voiceover cracks me up! project farm is another good channel when it comes to see through parts!
Very interesting for sure, thanks U T
Great story Tony !
Let me ask ... Do remember the "see-thru valve cover" craze of the late eighties ?
Going to check those guys out 😜
I do. I remember the clear distributor caps too.
I love the crazy shit Garage 54 does.
Man I’m glad I’m not the only one that sees those crazy ass Russians as an educational channel
Garage 54 rules. Fun channel.
Great update. Been watching G54 for years. Wish they would step there game up though
Very cool video brother 😎.
I'll throw the firebird's .02 I ain't scared!
I love the Lada torture videos! He executes grand, bold concepts and the Ladas are the only looses.
Firebird out
Right on
Good on you for being up front on controlling the comment section.
Smokey Yunick made intakes with a clear top on them, so he could watch the flow while dyno testing. I seen one signed by him in a museum.
Uncle! Thats why I never liked that mini manidold you use in dartbdaily driver... I must agree wirh you on those guys, really good and creative content
Yeah they do some good stuff at Garage 54. Like the manual car lift..
I checked out garage 54… Interesting. It all makes sense but seeing it in action was cool.
Back in our Boss 302 Trans Am days I remember "bench racing" in the pit about Smokey Yunick experiment with a 302 intake that had some sort of bladder in it to vary the size of the ports. At the time it was just talk. However, it is mentioned some where in his auto biagraphy that it did exist but somehow caught fire and was destroyed. He does mention that some one bought it for a display. ?????
Always interesting, (The auto shop teacher I never had!)
Love garage 54
Garage54 guys have a great sense of humor. Square wheels, see through oil filters, sticking BBs in the cylinder. There is nothing so ridiculous that they simply will not do it. I love em for it.
Long hard winters can have a quiet blessing; read a few good books, and come up with ideas - some good, some crazy.
You allowed to watch American content from Russia?
@@fuzzy5610 I'm an American, fool. I'm a real American of English descent, not just a paper citizen. I'm not any part Slav or from ANY country in Eastern Europe. I'm also not a shill for Ukraine or Russia for that matter. I just think it's funny to have a red, white and blue icon that also resembles the Russian flag and triggers shills and dummies like you.
@@tarstarkusz Bahaha yeah yeah sure , you’re an enemy of America and the English didn’t make America what it is today you moron it was the immigrants that made it what it is. Your attitude shows exactly what those colours you’re flying represent, they represent a scumbag from within. Not too many Americans that are patriots I know would fly the colours like that. It might come to a point where we can start looking at enemies within and doing something about it.
@@fuzzy5610 Typical nonsense of a not-American paper citizen of the Empire. The English made America. It's by and for Americans and the only Americans are from England or Germany. "We the people....FOR OURSELVES AND OUR POSTERITY...."
Now you're telling me red, white and blue aren't American. Only a non-American would ever say something so stupid.
Hey, maybe you could mill the top off the runner of a intake , and glue a strip of Plexi on the top, , maybe put a led inside, shining into the intake runner of the head, so it can be well seen, or use a piece of glass, so it can be seen better, that would make a cool video, if you have a garbage intake!
Great video Tony. Previously when you were talking about the Slant, you said it’s the worst inline 6 when compared to the Ford and the GM. Can you explain why you said that please. I’m trying to see what makes some inlines better than others. In the world of straight 6’s, there are so so many. Triumph looks identical in bad design, then there are the Datsuns, Nissans, Toyotas, etc. I’m rebuilding a TR6 and using much of your information, as well as David Vizards passed on knowledge to make it the best I can. Thanks again Tony, all the way from Ontario.
garage 54 is awesome
Yep I watch it
I bet they blame squirrelski's.....
@@indianaslim4971 in Russia , squirrels blame you 😃
In Soviet Russia squirrels blame you!
Them bouys do pull of some wild ideas don't they Tony, i16 was something else I tell yea
That yellow center section and block looks real nice! did I miss an upload?
Never thought of that.
There is a video on TH-cam, where there's a discussion between an interviewer and Ford guru John Kaase. In it, as a part of the discussion about intake manifolds and their internal characteristics, Kaase says they drilled a hold in an intake runner, then capped it with a removable plug. After they got the engine running on a dyno, they slowed the engine down and Kaase stuck one of his fingers in the hole. He said he could plainly feel reversion, sort of a standoff. He could feel the air moving down the intake runner, then could feel the air moving back up the runner. Also, the air in the runner was very cold due to the effect of the atomized gasoline on the air in the manifold. I thought it was very interesting that there was reversion / pulsing back and from the air hitting the intake valve and then bouncing back up the runner in a "normal" dual plane intake.
I just posted a similar comment.
them guys garage 54 are funny as hell i watch um all the time they come up with some crazy shit ✌✌✌✌✌
Garage 54 is great.
i was just wondering if you knew about garage 54 when i saw this video. i wasn't sure what your take on Russians was after i hear what you think of China but I see you're cool with gearheads from other places.
Did this back in the mid 70s good to see physics has not changed and if you want to increase turbulence in the manifold shot blasting works a treat but need to experiment with shot size . On a 3.3l straight six , Perspex manifold lost 6hp the biggest gain on shot blasted was 10hp on a chassis dyno. From memory it was a 200hp motor good power for the time . On a race engine every little bit helps
Sounds like a red motor?
@@ellenday3701 sure was had a trade teacher that was mad on the red motors
Your right on polish on street engine but on our alchohol sprint car motors we polish them to mirror shine
Interesting about how you want the runners bigger than you think they should be. Stock 74 318 I'm my 3/4 pickup. Had a 68 340 intake slapped it on with a 625 Carter AFB. Yep there's that mismatch but it worked well and after some jets and rods got better mileage, made more power than the two barrel. So I score a cheap SP2P and think more mileage and low end torque! Actually the mileage and power everywhere dropped. Tried jets and rods but never got the mileage back to what the old 340 intake did. Next step is a 273 I just picked up, the SP2P will be used for a door stop or scrapped. 😂
I've had the same experience with the SP2P and the one I have on my wife's daily driver is coming off to be replaced with a stock 340 piece.
It's one of those things that works well on paper, but not in actual use.
@@UncleTonysGarage Yeah I had high hopes for it too! Figured all the guys saying they were junk just misunderstood the concept.
If ya wanna see something look at the old torker 340 manifold, notice the sharp turn the airflow has to take on the outboard ports , right where the manifold runners and head ports meet ,the airflow basically slams into the side of the port
I could very well be wrong, but UT's description off how atomized fuel and droplets are behaving inside the combustion chamber might be more theoretical in nature rather than factual. Love his insights anyhow.
How dose air temperature affect fuel vaporization? Does warm air at Low speeds help.
Woah there, I see some yellow bits. That could be fun
I generally don't gasket match. I line match. I usually take the gasket and use a sharpie to line around the inside of the gasket port shape. Then grind to that. I do both heads and intake. you end up with a smooth transition, but not a velocity change from skinny to wide and back again.
You are an ass that's gasket matching bro...... How You do it,
Uncle Tony! Question! How do I know if my piston rings have the moly coating? I picked up a set today for my b18b1 and it’s Mahle brand. No info on the box. Got them from oreileys
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You brought back memories of the engines I ported, back in the 70s. Never polished the ports, not logical for street engines. Seasoning the intake, always important. I'd watch your Live Streams but the sound always fades in and out and has an echo, like in a bathroom.
1971 340 intake was a good one.
You know... translating ear buds were highlighted at CES this year for not too much $. Wonder if you could use those to do a video with garage 54.
Hence port and direct injection systems. They can design purely for airflow and not worry about atomization
Uncle Tonivich’s Garageski 😂😂😂
I am currently using iron performance heads on my sbc street-strip build which have larger intake port entries compared to the iron quadrajet intake manifold ports where those smaller rectangles of my intake meet the cylinder head such that it is not slicing the column of atomized fuel and air due to an interruption, but rather being led into a "larger room" so to speak due to the small-to-large transfer. do you think this would affect things other than just limiting my max flow based on the bottleneck of the intake?
So is it like gas condenses on cold surfaces is that it, like water might? I would like to see what would happen if they put a heat gun to one plastic runner only and see if anything changes.
4 words......Rubber Chicken Exhaust Mod. The world doesn't have enough rubber chicken material.
they were funny on the wheels
The Lada is actually an entry level luxury car. Models go between 60 to 75HP and feature all basic car functionality with some fake leather and wood interior pieces and a 2 barrel carb.
Moskvich (de-tuned bmw engine) is a budget car, as it lacks some basic functionality, has a manual engine crank when your battery inevitably dies as you can't afford to drive it more than once a month and has no more than 50 hp and could barely go up a slight incline.
The trabant (manufactured in west germany) is the true actual budget entry level car. It is FWD transverse air cooled 2 stroke engine, has fiberglass body, shares a single leaf spring between both rear tires, has all around drum brakes and dashboard has only a speedo. At least it has a starter as big as the ones used on Ladas (the same as the 3 cyl wartburg 353) and 4 speed transmission with a one way clutch on 4th gear (to prevent oil starvation in engine braking conditions)
I suppose that it's like the dimples on a golf ball help it to travel further because of reduced drag, so the roughness inside the runners reduces drag on the air/fuel mixture. I remember back in the mid to late 60s, porting and polishing was a common thing. I guess maybe the polishing wasn't such a good thing after all. Didn't Richard Petty run a vinal roof on #43 once and felt it was a bit faster? Or did I dream that. Oh well, cheers 🍺
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It was actually black textured paint on the roof but, it looked like a vinyl top. It was the car he ran in the 1968 Daytona 500.
Fastest fish has a "textured " skin 😮
The roof was the only thing legal in that car the paint drew attention to the only part of the car that would pass inspection
do you need to gasket match bran new AFR 195`s for SBC?
I remember reading where a guy used a small cutting wheel to "tap" his intake runner, like a spiral cut for a bolt. He claimed it helped flow, but I figured it was a troll.
Hey Tony, what about the 90's gm vortex heads? They claim the port induces the mixture to swirl. Is that true or hogwash?
A good channel to watch is Junkyard Digs he explains how everything works. Also Thunderhead289 he made a lawn mower carb to work on a Ford V8 got 40 mpg
What about using 340/360 intake manifolds on 318 engines with 318 heads? There is a gross mismatch between the intake manifold ports and the head ports, but it seems to work. Would an intake manifold with 318 sized ports work better?
Uncle Tony, I seem to recall you talking about issues with gearing on the tour and I have a serious question. What's your take on the Gear Vendors "overdrive" unit? I understand the theory, but I'm unfamiliar with the unit.
Please let me know because I'm thinking of buying a used one but I'd like it if you weighed in first. Thanx!