GRANDMASTER HUANG SHENG SHYAN push hands
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ส.ค. 2024
- master of taiji
A demonstration of internal martial arts, taiji quan/ tai chi and qi gong. showing push hands skills and fajin. for more see www.discovertaiji.com and www.heavenmanearth.com
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I was a student of Grandmaster Huang. I study Physics in the UK and I am afraid I still have no explanation. In fact he is the only Tai Chi Grandmaster who has this special ability to send you flying by mere touch. I am 6ft, yet he can touch me with one finger and send me flying(fast) backwards 50yards. I did asked him for explanation but he said that all I need to do is practise Tai Chi and I will get the skill.
MASTER YANG CHENGFU wrote : practice the form every day at least once , and 7 to eight times a day ideally ... separated twice a day... modern day students may be precise but they don’t repeat enough ... if you go 3 x a week that equals 144 times the form a year ... in the past : 7x7days x 4 week x 12 months = 2352 times a year 💁 of course plus minus ... that’s why they used to say in three years one should have some good ability now a days you are lucky if you get any jing ! And of course the development is exponential!! ❤️❤️❤️
How dit it go?
What he is trying to tell you is you're not ready . Your form has to done correctly. Without having to think about it. You have to have the right alignment of your body. Stance training for a few years would help to. You can learn the alignment quicker that way. Fa Jing is just the beginning. There is a lot more to Tai ji than Jing. If you can put in the time and have discipline it is more than worth the wait
This is amazing. I've been watching Tai Chi videos for an unbelievably long time. And this is the first one I found that is real. After a thousand videos not one person knows how to use a stance or they don't stay in their stance more than a second. It's nothing new I guess. Thank you so much for the video. it was worth the wait.
istvand, good question. when touching hands with someone who is very skilled in this style of taiji, your mind and body are floating and pulled into their base. its a bit like standing on marbles in front of a huge vacuum and makes sinking and the like very hard. it is something that has to be felt to understand. that said, this is a demo.
I've had the pleasure of experiencing push hands by a couple of Huangs students and it is amazing. I was effortlessly thrown about 20 feet across a room with a feather like touch. Its a very weird feeling, but strangely pleasant.
I was taught by two of Huangs students in Brisbane Australia (Glenn Blythe and Wee Kee Jin from NZ). I have experienced being pushed like this first hand and know for a fact that this is real. I am 5'11'' and weigh about 84 kg. I am fairly strong as well. Being pushed like this is very strange; you try and resist with strength and the next minute you are flying back. The feeling is a bit like you are on a narrow branch and cannot get your balance despite the fact that you are on solid ground.
andrew47. In taiji you absorb your opponents mental intent and force, it is channeled to the ground to be neutralized before rebounding the force back into your partner. this energy joins with the mental and physical tension in your partner and repels them. this is a very simplified explanation but an idea of how it works. looks fake yes but is very real.
wow! thanks tor the posting of this video! this is my grand master! my sifu was his student.heard too much about him and this a feast to my eyes!!!now i know why he is such an idol to all his students. not only in malaysia but all over the world! i salute and reverence him.....
Don't be distracted by the hands. Look at the feet and the body. He's rooted and is using timing, efficiency and understanding that only comes from decades of practice.
The students reactions are exagerated, but this is a demonstration not a contest. The core is real.
Nappa - " Vegeta what does the scouter say about his power levels??"
Vegeta - "Its over NINE THOUUSSAAAANND!!!"
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he didn't keep himself from laughing,he was laughing. he is a great taiji grandmaster
I've been doing martial arts for 25 years now (aikido, jiu jitus, karate, judo). The things that the old timers do with their chi is crazy. I "sparred" a friend who has been training with his grandfather all his life. Bottom line...he destroyed me. Tossed me like I was a little girl. And I outweighed him by 75 pounds. Legit stuff...if you take the time to truly master the internal aspects as well.
Yes
Thats nice but it really needs to be said _ You really can't do what he is doing with aikido, karate, judo, or juijitsu because none of those arts have the same kind of internals. It's just not even close.
wow!!! this is my grandmaster!! my sifu learns from him!!! but he died before i had anytime yet to pick up tai chi. thanks for the posting of this video!he is my hero!heard a lot about him but now i see it....
yes this is a demo... the match with the wrestler was 20 years earlier and 20 years is a long time to highten skill. also Huang does throw the wrestler around and with ease in the second half of the match.
I've done a little tai chi, and this stuff is crazy, it helps with understanding take downs, great when combined with a joint lock, you get absolute control over how you want the opponent to go down. so cool
Um, I'm a bit skeptical about the falls. It is like seeing Aikido masters flipping their students with wrist locks while most of the movements are generated by their students practicing ukemi...
At first I thought that it might be possible - to make someone stagger backward does not require much energy, just great timing and ability to read when they're unbalanced. But some of these falls are way too exagerated...
Anyway, I suppose the only way for me to believe it is to experience it.
As many people have said it's mostly based on tentions within tissue causing a single push in the correct location to be devastating
I pushed with one of his top students and he was VERY strong. This is no joke.
It may look fake to some of you, but I have been on the receiving end of another master of comparable skill. I assure you it is real, and it is pure physics too.
I'm a martial artist and bouncer of 100 kilos, rough enough, and I've touched with Huang style guys from Heaven Man Earth Taiji. Despite my greatest efforts and discernment, I was rag dolled beyond belief, like a kitten in a dog's mouth. I've also touched with posers who had the same demo. The abilities are terrifyingly real, but easy to fake, especially amongst the uninitiated who have no clue what to look for. All very counter intuitive. Seek experience, and save breath for training.
Well said
This old master had solid background in white crane kung fu. that's why his taiji push hand is powerful to watch.
@thelineofmypeople
At the age of 60 Huang Sheng-Shyan again demonstrated his abilities in Taiji by defeating Liao Kuang-Cheng, the Asian champion wrestler 26 throws to 0 in a fund raising event in Kuching Malaysia.
you'd have to feel and then you might question it. I've known a teacher who can do this and the first time I mistakingly tried to resist and could do nothing. mind blowing... I have to figure this out before I'm 60! ;)
Even this video undermines the full potential of energy in relation to human physiology. Human muscle is capable of turning potential energy into great amounts of kinetic energy in a small area and in a short period of time. If you look hard enough in this video you can see the great amount of force the shifu exerts, although his execution is too graceful and fluid for one to suspect he is using anything BUT force. I commend him and those who have reached this caliber.
Read this, it has an interesting ending...
For years Mr G carpooled 3 of us to school every morning. He was a big guy, a moose. He'd let the neighborhood kids punch him in the gut. He always had his gym bag with him--spent half his days at the YMCA lifting weights.
For years, during those carpool rides, Mr. G put down martial arts. Then one day, he had a sudden respect for martial arts. At the YMCA, as his story goes, a TaiChi expert tapped his chest & sent him flying backwards across the room.
No way is this a trick. I have experienced push hands by 2 of Huangs students and it the most amazing experience. The softest touch and you are suddenly off balance like you are standing on a thin branch. Next you are flying backwards. I would not have believed it possible if I hadn't experienced it.
its taiji, real taiji. the real thing is very hard to come by.
I watched a video about a modern archer who studied old texts and paintings to determine the best way to shoot. He can fire 2 arrows with extreme accuracy in 0.6 seconds. He can shoot an incoming arrow down the middle as well. I have heard that the human connective tissue and skeletal system is continuous throughout the human body. I have also read that it is extremely strong. What is not to say he doesn't understand how to train and maintain the human connective tissue and skeletal system in the same way the modern master archer does? It also doesn't hurt that he has respecting and willing students to aid his demonstration, but still, I'm sure he knows his stuff.
engagement of the fascia
Pullback method equally important as pushing if not more. Like drawing your arrow back far enough go for a powerful shot
@vivekkarumudi Absolutely, it actually works much better on outsiders as they tend to resist using strangth. It is the opponents tension that allows them to be pushed. Tai Chi works through relaxation within a stable structure. No, the students aren't hypnotized.
if you look closely you can see how he unbalances the students, this is really great tai chi, the best
I would very much like to see an aikido master and a tai chi master try pushing hands together. Both arts are very similar in the principles involved, I believe, and as an Aikido practicioner, I'd like to see if I could adapt push hands to an aikido context, to better my effectiveness in the art.
2:23 us some of the most swift strikes I have ever seen. They are very very quick and fluid. That was probably very very light also.
I remember once ppl asked which martial arts is the greatest, the answer was taiji, for the sole reason that when you are young you use brute force, but when you are old, you have to use taiji..and taiji is the only martial art that advance when you grow old.I didn't understand it then, now I know why taiji is called taiji.
Aikido and Tai Ji Quan are similar in a way. Add tai ji inner principles into your aikido and you're on whole other level.
This is a very great Tui Shou skill and also Fajing !! Thank you and respect
master huang is renowned for his fighting skills. this push hands has nothing to do with the kiai video that everyone has seen.
I’m just sad I never got to meet him while he was alive. I was just a teenager when he passed and wouldn’t have imagined then that I would one day take up Taijiquan.
He knows what direction to shift the opponents weight to cause him to fall off balance. The only reason someone them "fly backward" is because they are stumbling or their full body is falling to the ground in a single direction. It's not bogus at all. It's technical genius.
I know you must feel it before you can believe it but it is real. It is a lot of fun to watch. Feeling it makes it easier to spot the fakes and they are plentiful. This one is a genuine, authentic Master.
I know guys, it looks like BS, however my teacher has very similar skills. He's 81, hobbles with a cane, but you're puddy in his hands... All with less than 4 oz of force. It comes down to being sensitive to your opponents center and their intent.
i believe that you need this internal art mix with external martial art well truly make you one great martial artist
He pulling them one way then shoving them another destroying their center of gravity
His hunched back gives me hope
This video is not a fake. He is not fighting these people, they are giving him energy and he is manipulating it. Just watch him and how connected he is. If you can't see that your probably focusing on the others and how they are moving. It's not about what happens to the "attackers" it's about how he is internalizing what they are giving him. I feel bad for people who have studied martial arts for years and years and can't understand this.
wow the first few guys he just seemed t jolt with something. what do we really know about anything when you see this. hes just so relaxed.
A wonderful master !
@ShaolinTaoist 1: this form of combat is known as push HANDS. no strikes are to be made by the feet. 2: his students do not suck. they are just bad in comparison as he is so great.
physical strength/muscular power cannot penetrate "jin".muscular strength/physical force is shallow(surface strength only) while "jin" is deep,therefore muscled man are no match for him.he is simply too strong for anyone
If it looks like most of this is exaggerated its because it is. Its just a demonstration. the force he's using isnt nearly as much as what he would REALLY use. Which is why you're seeing him barely moving his arms but the students flying across the room. They're just showing what they'd do if he did use all his strength
What should I look for to learn this?
A good way to look at it to be sure. I was at a seminar with my Instructer's master and he did some work like this. I didn't get the chance to experience it for myself, but talking to some good friends of mine who did, they say that they just fall and don't know how or why. I understand where your comming from and respect it. I didn't want to have blind faith either.
lol. that is skill. he looks so peacefull too. taiji is just so nice.
@macnwhizz he is grandmaster huang. many people train under him. just by seeing this video shows lots of taiji principles all applied at a very precise timing never seen b4.
I love the phrasing of your understatement.
i know guy's who can do very impressive soccer tricks that i can not, when we are messing around, but in a game i am able to be more effective. however there are pro's who can do both at a higher level than i am fit for.
i imagine that the old masters could be likened to the elite pro's, and todays "masters to a semi pro with good tricks that are reminiscent of the pro's but far from the same thing.
I agree with Jaiharman1. The word Chi can be translated into "breath" or "blood". If you do not have Chi it simply means that you do not breathe and your blood does not carry oxygen to your tissues or waste products (metabolites) away from them. In a word, you are dead. The apparent supranatural skills of the great martial artists are just a profound understanding of the principles of nature, that is to say the rules of physics. Of course it requires kung fu (hard work to reach an ability)
Amazing footage!! I am learning Chen Tai Chi at Brendan Burnett at the Man Lian Club, Bournemouth, England. It is great to learn.
What you are seeing is correct, but it is not that they are shifting their weight and giving the illusion of being thrown, as they are not shifting by choice. What is happening is that they are being forced and misdirected into shifting their weight, setting them off balance and allowing the instructor to send them tumbling over their own feet with little more than a gentle shove. No magic necessary, but it sure looks cool.
all i can say internal power is incredible
I just started learning tai chi a month and a half ago by an excellent teacher who shows me your videos and is inspired by you and wants to learn the internal art but everywhere is so expensive I believe one of your students is willing to pay 200$ an hour for a private session in Philly any advice on what to do please respond my sifu means alot to me and taught me so much is such little time I wanna be able to pay him back in a big way
i am sure that it is possible to move almost imperceptibly and do much to disturb the equalibrium of another person, but i could see a couple of those students push off,or drop a leg out during that exercise. hypnosis is one explanation for the reactions of the students. they are willing.they want to be guided by the master, so his suggestions are very powerful to them.physics isnt the only law of nature that applies to martial arts. there is much about the human mind that noone understands yet
yeah they aren´t i was only saying that Sistema and Krav Maga are derived from Hapkido and that Aikido is it Sister Art
Krav Maga only works against Palestinian children
Until you have felt a real tai chi master push, which this man HAS, you have no idea how strong they are. I have trained with Muay Thai champions, wrestlers,and a 6th dan Aikido master and this guy was stronger than anyone. It's very difficult to find as there are a lt of weak Tai chi teachers around.
well, guys let me tell you something martial arts is like a water if you put water into cub it becomes a cub if you put water into glass it becomes glass. so every one everything is possible ok
@macnwhizz This stuff works I've seen it first hand, I've even been the subject before, lol. The thing is is that there are a lot of fakes out there, and you honestly won't find a master doing things like this on youtube.
Looks great. he freezes them in an instant, pure unbroken energy.
correct
He's not tossing them across the room. He's manipulating them with their own tension in such a way that they push themselves across the room.
yes it's totally amazing - but genuine - and takes decades to learn and understand.
I can't say I understand it - but I've read enough, been exposed enough and seen enough videos to beleive it.
This particualr video still has my draw dropping though every time - he is just SO good ;) I think the guys h'es pushing hands with area all teacher level themselves so....!
I guess people will always try to explain in terms of what they have already heard of - but we haven't all heard of everything.
I have heard of this, and seen it on videos, and I would have to feel it to believe it!
There could be some placebo going on here?
wow this looks ridiculous... i need to experience this to believe it. need to look out for tai chi schools i guess
It all comes down to one thing...experience. You can't analyze a video if you don't know what you are looking for, and if you haven't experienced it, you can't know if it exists.
Beyond my understanding, but I would like to learn.
It would be irrational to deny that a young, skilled wrestler would pose a threat to an old, skilled Master. There are no sure bets in this world.
I was just thinking the same thing, resilliency
They do not fly away. They stumble or fall. Look closely. It's very simple what he is doing. He understands their balance and knows what direction to shift their weight to cause them to lose balance entirely. The rest is up to gravity. It's not strength dependent at all. Just technical genius.
Not really only sistema but Hapkido,Aikido and Krav Maga That is derived form it.
maybe one day your mind will expand and open up beyond the narrow minded walls of your shallow existence.
Feel free to drop in to any of our schools to test your skill out.
Do you have Seattle schools my MMA gym can visit?
There's lots of things that appear one way until you experience it. Try it and find out.
I just wonder if Tai chi super hand push is for real or not? if some body know please let me know, thanks
@macnwhizz
no it's not the same guy. Actually Master Huang at age 60 defeated the wrestling champion Liao Kuang-Cheng. There was a video of this event on youtube, unfortunately it's not accessible anymore: watch?v=gVBnMIjQ-Xc
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u r rite that force comes from the core. But someone who has mastered using their core the movement becomes small that it will be unoticeable
I practice with his students, it's réal and impressive,but before you Have to train a lot !
amazing!
Tai Chi isn't my art, but after a few decades of real Kung Fu training, you can tell if the student is "playing along" or if the reaction is real. This is real. All the momentum is built up inside the body, so it looks like he's doing nothing. This is real Kung Fu...but I have to admit that the vast majority of these videos are done by charlatans.
Do you really practice a Martial Art? Change quickly in this case.
nah.. the guy that he kept pushing into the wall had a pretty hot temper.. it seemed like he actually wanted to fight his teacher, but he was humiliated every time
yeah i have noticed never in push hands muscular power this is internal power it takes long time to develop by rigurous and constant meditation.
This video is an exercise.
You'd risk hurting someone (rupturing organs etc) in a real test.
Why would he want to hurt someone just to 'prove' something?
Ha ha ha ha!
I'm also looking for videos about levitation and how to apear in 2 or more places at the same time? Can he do that too?
Great clip!
ps sorry andymatch as well as the fantastic taiji that is taught through hevenmanearth there are people keeping the higher levels of taiji going relax through your structure thanks al70ok
hi viewer1a, yes there are. Buddhism and Daoism.
apparently this type of energy projection is possible however i've personally have been practicing Yang style tai chi for 13 yrs and I,ve never seen anyone with this ability.My sifu talks about redirecting energy and avoiding full impact from your opponent.eg sifu had a spar yrs ago with a powerful karate guy .He was hit but not directly only 25% of the power.I personally think it's best to keep in reality.
@macnwhizz That's because he doesn't want to hurt the MMA guy.
For those skeptics who think the students were play acting, have a look at this video, where Huang took on a professional wrestler when he was much younger. The video is of bad quality,as it's so old. The wrestler in the vest is thrown regularly to the ground, by a seeming light touch from Grand Master Huang
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I wonder why it's always his students doing pushing hands with him. I would love to see him push me 10 meters back, or make me fall straight on the floor. Pure show, anyone who falls for this is reacting exactly the way this "master" wants you to.
he can push a 260 lb easily without any muscular/physical strength and without effort easily. no muscled man can win him
works on people with open chakras
it has nothing to do with chakras lol
It amazes me that people comment on things they have no real experience of. This looks like fake, because it seems impossible, but then we with the Western ignorant education (ie devoid of the understanding of Qi / Ch'i) can never understand it until you experience it first hand. I have, and it is my daily practice, because Taiji helps build balance, coordination, great health etc. If you want to check this out look up his student, Wee Kee Jin who regularly teaches in the UK and Europe. It is NOT using physical strength. In the West we're mostly limited to muscle building in gyms. Bunched muscles actually makes us less efficient and less flowing. Just looks at how muscle bound men walk.They walk like gorillas! This old man aged above 70 could uproot those muscle bound ones, because they're unbalanced in coordination. It also engenders good health. Check this out-a contemporary of Huang's, another famous Taiji Master, Ma Liang. They were friends and used to push hands together. Would have loved to be there! Two Grandmasters, not needing to show off! Both gentlemen in their own right.
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May all Beings be Peaceful
well, the falling and rolling is done in order to regain control after being sent into the void, which is part of what Push Hands is about. Controlling your bodyforce by using a combination of the Ba Jin (eight forces) to bring your opponent out of balance/into the void with the least amount of energy excerted takes years and years of training, which Grandmaster Huang clear has.
@effilang u need at LEAST 10 years to reach be able to do that for only a bit.
I do push hands and to me something doesn't seem right.
how old is this video??
sounds like it's better that you don't understand and safer for all of us.