I find the Pen pals episode very interesting because of the shift of Picard after hearing that message. It is very easy to ignore people dying on mass when it is so far removed. It is my personal head canon that the Prime Directive is not that absolute as it is claimed. If it were Starfleet would demote the frequent breakers of it quickly let alone allow them to advance and have a great reputation in Starfleet. It is also my opinion the Prime Directive should keep the wording as absolute as it currently it is, rather than update it to how it is enforced. By making it at least on paper so rigid and inflexible it likely prevents a lot more of the type of rule breaking that Starfleet would likely not ignore as they currently do.
It's more a guideline than a rule set in stone. In E.U book Prime Directive, even its creator (head of First Contact Bureau) states the directive is more a problem than a solution.
Personally, I thought Janeway was the worst when it came to the prime directive. In fact I thought blowing up the Caretaker's array in the pilot episode was a violation. My understanding is that the prime directive means more than just not introducing yourself to pre warp cultures. But that Starfleet shouldn't interfere with alien societies, their politics, or their conflicts (warp capable or not).
I think the Masterpiece Society is quite underrated. No matter if Picard had or hadn't interfered, that civilization was still gonna go down the toilet
Would it be a violation of the Prime Directive if something would destroy a pre-warp civ, but that civ isn't aware of the impending destruction and wouldn't be aware of you stopping it? If they were totally unaware of you the whole time, is it still interference?
Yeah, bad example. Would a society applying for Federation membership fall under the Prime Directive? Probably not, since they are not a prewarp culture, and are already receiving aid from the Federation, as well as some limited benefits of Federation technology.
General order 1 isn't only for pre-warp civilizations...there is also the general non-interference of the internal affairs of a society. This is why Worf resign his starfleet commission in order to aide Gowron during the Klingon Civil War
@@amazedsatsuma You're right, but Bajor is still a bad example. They not only had applied for Federation membership, a very different situation than the Klingons, whose empire is not a Federation member, they petitioned for Federation aid in their ongoing conflict with Cardassia, and permitted a Starfleet base, albeit nominally under Bajoran control, to be established within their territory. In addition to that, they assigned a liaison officer and a security force to the base. Furthermore, the base commander, a Starfleet officer, acts as an intermediary between the Bajorans and their theocratic overlords, "the Prophets." This was done with the approval and encouragement of the Bajoran religious leadership. The situation is complicated, to say the least, with most of the circumstances of Federation involvement having been initiated by the Bajorans, not the Federation. The Federation is walking a pretty shaky tightrope, but it still doesn't seem to qualify as a clear violation of the Prime Directive.
@@phyllisdicks9830 Yeah, I won't argue there are more clear cut examples in the franchise when the Prime Directive was violated as Sisko tried his best to limit his influence as the Emissary to the Prophets. Like you said Sisko is walking a tightrope, a grey area that a lesser man cough Dukat Cough Cough would have certainly abused
With the Paradise Syndrome, the Enterprise crew were probably investigating the planet's colonization potential, thus explaining why they are there and why they intended to divert the asteroid. For Pen Pals, if no one from the primitive planet remembers, then the letter of the Prime Directive has been followed, even if the spirit has been broken. On Sisko's role as the Emissary, he's not a god-like figure, he is essentially a version of an Old Testament prophet. He's not speaking his own words, but the words of the Prophets (aka wormhole beings.) Also, the Bajorans have been calling him the Emissary since his first week there, so if Starfleet or the Federation had a problem, they'd have said something by Rapture. With the Silver Bloods, that's ... honestly debatable as the only species who might have encountered anything similar are the Tholians, and they aren't on speaking terms with the Federation.
5 times the prime directive was violated...bah that is nothing. Afterall in the TNG episode, The Drumhead, Admiral Satie stated Captain Picard alone violated it nine times since given the Enterprise
@@BioGoji-zm5ph Well she did limit her criticism to only when he was given command of the flagship of Federation in 2264 and the Drumhead takes place in 2267...so that is 9 violations in 3+ years XD
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I find the Pen pals episode very interesting because of the shift of Picard after hearing that message. It is very easy to ignore people dying on mass when it is so far removed.
It is my personal head canon that the Prime Directive is not that absolute as it is claimed. If it were Starfleet would demote the frequent breakers of it quickly let alone allow them to advance and have a great reputation in Starfleet.
It is also my opinion the Prime Directive should keep the wording as absolute as it currently it is, rather than update it to how it is enforced. By making it at least on paper so rigid and inflexible it likely prevents a lot more of the type of rule breaking that Starfleet would likely not ignore as they currently do.
The Federation has ALWAYS used the Prime Directive at its whim, at their discretion.
It's more a guideline than a rule set in stone. In E.U book Prime Directive, even its creator (head of First Contact Bureau) states the directive is more a problem than a solution.
Technically wasn't the prime directive created after the founding of the United federation of plants
Personally, I thought Janeway was the worst when it came to the prime directive. In fact I thought blowing up the Caretaker's array in the pilot episode was a violation.
My understanding is that the prime directive means more than just not introducing yourself to pre warp cultures. But that Starfleet shouldn't interfere with alien societies, their politics, or their conflicts (warp capable or not).
What about the TNG episodes:
"Who Watches the Watchers"
"First Contact" (Fourth Season)
"Homeward"
Only five? Jeez, this is gonna be short.
I think the Masterpiece Society is quite underrated. No matter if Picard had or hadn't interfered, that civilization was still gonna go down the toilet
Number two led to one of the most depressing episodes ever - Course Oblivion
I don't know how you missed the episode, "Dear Doctor" from Enterprise. It is where Archer and Phlox committed genocide.
The clip was included at the start, but that was before the Prime Directive was ever formalised.
- Jack
This episode was probably written before Gene invented the Prime Directive’s importance to the Star Trek universe
And since the Synths were created by warp-capable people, the Prime Directive doesn't apply.
Would it be a violation of the Prime Directive if something would destroy a pre-warp civ, but that civ isn't aware of the impending destruction and wouldn't be aware of you stopping it?
If they were totally unaware of you the whole time, is it still interference?
How about a video about violation of The Temporal Prime Directive😎🖖
Ooh good one - a video idea that is a long time coming....
Could of swore of alot more on tng ds9 and Voyager on the latter the ocompa 1st episode
How did you reverse the combadge and pips?
Is Bajor considered as pre-warp? I thought the prime directive is only for pre-warp societies.
Yeah, bad example. Would a society applying for Federation membership fall under the Prime Directive? Probably not, since they are not a prewarp culture, and are already receiving aid from the Federation, as well as some limited benefits of Federation technology.
General order 1 isn't only for pre-warp civilizations...there is also the general non-interference of the internal affairs of a society.
This is why Worf resign his starfleet commission in order to aide Gowron during the Klingon Civil War
@@amazedsatsuma You're right, but Bajor is still a bad example. They not only had applied for Federation membership, a very different situation than the Klingons, whose empire is not a Federation member, they petitioned for Federation aid in their ongoing conflict with Cardassia, and permitted a Starfleet base, albeit nominally under Bajoran control, to be established within their territory. In addition to that, they assigned a liaison officer and a security force to the base. Furthermore, the base commander, a Starfleet officer, acts as an intermediary between the Bajorans and their theocratic overlords, "the Prophets." This was done with the approval and encouragement of the Bajoran religious leadership. The situation is complicated, to say the least, with most of the circumstances of Federation involvement having been initiated by the Bajorans, not the Federation. The Federation is walking a pretty shaky tightrope, but it still doesn't seem to qualify as a clear violation of the Prime Directive.
@@phyllisdicks9830 Yeah, I won't argue there are more clear cut examples in the franchise when the Prime Directive was violated as Sisko tried his best to limit his influence as the Emissary to the Prophets.
Like you said Sisko is walking a tightrope, a grey area that a lesser man cough Dukat Cough Cough would have certainly abused
@@amazedsatsuma To be fair, not only Dukat. Most men are lesser men than Sisko.
With the Paradise Syndrome, the Enterprise crew were probably investigating the planet's colonization potential, thus explaining why they are there and why they intended to divert the asteroid. For Pen Pals, if no one from the primitive planet remembers, then the letter of the Prime Directive has been followed, even if the spirit has been broken. On Sisko's role as the Emissary, he's not a god-like figure, he is essentially a version of an Old Testament prophet. He's not speaking his own words, but the words of the Prophets (aka wormhole beings.) Also, the Bajorans have been calling him the Emissary since his first week there, so if Starfleet or the Federation had a problem, they'd have said something by Rapture. With the Silver Bloods, that's ... honestly debatable as the only species who might have encountered anything similar are the Tholians, and they aren't on speaking terms with the Federation.
Finally a face to the voice
5 times the prime directive was violated...bah that is nothing. Afterall in the TNG episode, The Drumhead, Admiral Satie stated Captain Picard alone violated it nine times since given the Enterprise
Only nine? What a wimp.
I think in DS9 Trials and Tribblations the Temperal Police complained about Kirk but not necessarily The Prime Directive
@@BioGoji-zm5ph Well she did limit her criticism to only when he was given command of the flagship of Federation in 2264 and the Drumhead takes place in 2267...so that is 9 violations in 3+ years XD
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star trek insurrection:
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