Shane you must be an interesting character. I always thought if I had a business I would do things differently than others. You are doing this in a way that deserves so much respect. Half of the time you are doing somebody else's job and you do it better than most of them could ever dream of doing. Thanks
The vero C is the most efficient chip in Bridgelux's line, why didn't you test it? As well as the original vero is more efficient than the SE version. You solder your luminus, so should be no issue.
Cool name, I just set up a channel a little while ago called MrGreenGenes lol Have you tried the Bridgelux EB strips? Now that I see you're the photo boist guy.
Hi Shane, Why did you test the lower performing CLU058-1825C4-353M2K1 gen.5 which is BBL and not the top bin. The CLU058-1825C4-353M2M2-F1 gen.6 is the best at this moment. I will happily supply you with the COBs for a proper test.
I see the CLU058-1825C4-353M2M2-F1 are 155lm per watt which is a 1.9% increase in efficacy over the model in tested. If you want to send me one I'd be happy to test it and post the video update our address is on the website. Thanks Shane
@@MIGROLIGHT Citizen only works with typical values in their datasheets. They represent the bare minimum of what they will put out. It has to do with their Japanse heritage and culture. There is is a great shame to perform less than promised. That is why they only give the minimun numbers in the datasheets. When you test them in a sphere you will be greatly suprised by Citizen cobs.
Rubol Horticulture If that’s the case the bare minimum of the K1 version is 152lm per watt as per the citizen data sheet which Shane just tested, the F1 version you mentioned “bare minimum” is155lm per watt according to the citizen data sheet which is about 1.9% increase in efficiency which still doesn’t beat the Luminus cxm32 gen4😊 I’m sure Shane will test this too but I’m also sure you will have some other excuse to throw out there 🤯✌️
@@SmokinEddy Ok, I checked the data sheet and you are referring to the 69V version of the same chip. According to the datasheet it is not any more efficient than the 50V version?
Do a side by side grow with each of these cobs against your light. I have grown with Cree CXB3590 and Citizen CLU048 cobs and they both grow great looking plants.
I myself use the older Citizen's-CLU048. I actually found adjustable COB's, the only others I've seen besides Migro. They're available with Cree-CXB3590's, but costs much more. 100W, 2-50W COB's on a 1M bar that slide along it, COB's adjust 180°, and can turn 350°, allowing them to be angled/turned however you please! We had a 630W DE-CMH in a 5x5 Gorilla Tent, and used 4-100W-1M bars around the perimeter, giving 8 more points of light to adjust to any situation, supercharged the grows! They were/are on Alibaba. I even recommended to Shane as an economic version fixture. As Shane's craftsmanship is much nicer! Adjustability makes an incredible difference! Now waiting on 2-240W Quantum Boards(generic) w/Samsung LM301H(Horticulture 3.0 umols/J!) to replace the 630W DE-CMH. JUST SOME EXPERIENCE, ETC.. THE CITIZEN'S HAVE BEEN GREAT THOUGH!
so how do clu48 1212s stack up? i love their upfront cost a lot, bought 4 of them driven @ nominal, i figured i could 4 more, drive them half the amperage to claw back some efficiency, and take care of the spread by numbers so i can get them a bit closer to the plants too, i may redesign the fixture to sheet metal when i take that plan all the way.
@Andrew Brent well if you drive them lower, you don't need the seperate heatsinks just get a sheet of aluminum, right? i'm not sure about pricing lol, quantum boards are 180 bucks for 120 watts here, they don't look cheap where i'm at (netherlands) these cobs are 10-12 bucks for 36 watts, i'll have to drive them real low to make the QB worthwhile, and these things don't work for shit on their own on a 3x3, so i'll need to save up like 500-600 bucks for those. sure, they're more efficient, but that's a lot of money. i already have 4 clu048 3500k cobs center, and 2 blurple AC cobs to fill the sides in a bit, so i guess i'll just continue on this one for now :D besides, i got heatsinks coming out of my ass from being a computer geek stripped out the old graveyard for them already, they're waiting on cobs ;') i may want to dabble in adding a blue or 2 aswell on a sepearate driver so i can control the stretch, have been doing that with 20 watt 6000k e27 bulbs with the diffusive cap popped off for now.
Always great videos Shane! I know the COB's have lenses usually, but would love to see the numbers of what a 50W COB can do in a 2'x2', 60cm x 60cm space with walls! Efficiency rating, I guess won't change, but w/2'x2' space/reflective walls should give much higher umol numbers, I'd think? For that size space, with different heights, etc. But I'm halfway through video, so maybe I'll be surprised! I do understand that this video was about efficiency of new COB chips, and is accurate. Just love to see the differences in space, relative to wattage. And your the man with the truth always! One thing about COB's, chip can always be changed to newer, more efficient, settings. I didn't want to pay $50 more for Cree, got last generation Citizens chips(year ago), thinking I could always upgrade chips! I think the Luminous chips may be too large compared to Citizen CLU's I'd replace. I need to look into that! Sorry for rambling on, once again. Time to finish video, coffee!!! Most important light channel online! Thanks again Shane!
thanks, according to my tests measuring the light output to the edges of the light intensity measures more of the photons than in smaller areas with reflective walls.
@@MIGROLIGHT I was just wondering what the umol levels would be in a 2'x2', as the area used would have higher numbers(wasn't that the idea w/the added walls?). But yes, I agree the umols/Watt, total efficiency, will be more accurate, the way you tested, with all photons!👍 Have a great one(or several!) Shane! Always love the videos. The best!
The Bridgelux Vero 29C is actually more efficient than the B and does well driven hard but still not quite as efficient as the Luminus. Nice test still.
Why you did not use reflective myler ? i think its a standard this day's, no one going to run them like that in the dark with no reflective metiral what so ever.. i think it would even bump the numbers a bit but still , thank you very much ma man!
Yup, they are. I was also looking for them... was'nt easy but here u have a detail seller: rubol.nl/product/1x-luminus-cxm-32-gen4-3500k-80cri-kopie/. 35 euro + NL tax. by the way... im not a seller or anything. Hope i help someone and Shane won't kill me for that. Grate job Shane. Keep it going.
Love your tests normally but wondering why you did it over 120x120 when a Migro-100 is recommended for 60x60? Just wondering what that would do to numbers, with reflective walls like normal. Maybe an idea for a quicker re run 😉
I'm sure the C's are more efficient. But I'm not interested in that as I am in letting you know I do appreciate your content @migro and would prefer a comparison of these led's while focusing on efficiency at various driving currents rather than watts.
@@MIGROLIGHT Yeah i saw B,C,D versions has the same efficiency ratings in first datasheet table, but be careful, those are specified at different power for each version. For example, D version on 75W has around 164 lm/W at that power C version has 183 lm/W, at 50W even crazy 195 lm/W while your b version at that power has around 155 lm/W. At 17€ a piece, if you run them at lower power and have more chips to make for desired power (low price), i know no better lights on market? C version deserves another test!
Why test these in an open space and not in a tent when you test other lights (Mars TS 1000 for example) in a tent? Would be interesting to see what kind of boost you would see in terms of PAR efficacy. I tested my Timber 4vs (would love to see you do a review of a Timber light btw) in my Orca liked tent (every surface lined) and got significantly higher efficacy numbers than you are showing here. Closer to the 2.3 range you show here for the Migro Cob run at 50 Watts (and the Timber runs the Vero 29’s at 100W). Thanks for the great videos though! Very informative!
I have heard of issues with EMC (electro magnetic compatability) on low end drivers. They emit magnetic radiation. Ours are EMC compliant so no issue there. Flicker can also give some people headaches etc. The MIGRO drivers do not flicker so no issue there either
@@MIGROLIGHT The dimmable create frequencies that are dangerous to our electromagnetic bio-rhythm. Ive had calls from 2 health specialists asking if our growlights were dimmable. Just wondered if you'd had similiar calls.
@@blopjones1665 Agreed on 5G. Shit....wifi alone is a disrupter. The sky....no agreement. Its a psyop. I study helio-physics and its not chemtrails or weather warfare. Solar cycles. Fyi.....your chemtrails are supposedly full of atomized particulates such as barium and strontium. Now....google those two names.....and go buy it at your local supplement store. Your falling for it. Be smarter. There are 4 levels to our stratosphere. If they truly wanted to get you....it could easily be masked at higher altitudes. Its not happening. Now...regarding operation Solar Shield.....these particulates may be helping the earth warm a bit to prevent cooling from Solar cycles...but unlikely. Have an awesome day. Eyes open...no fear.
This is a great test, I love to see this kind of stuff even I do not know as much as you, man. I wish you can talk a little bit about prices. 1 Luminus CXM-32 is about 37U$D, Vero29 is 29U$D and CXB350 is 21U$D. The CLU 058 is 38U$D if I am not wrong. But, I know it is not in the test, the CLU-048 is 9,25U$D, so it is more cost efficient to buy 4 CLU-048 than 1 Luminus, for example, because you can cover more space and distribute light more efficiently. I do not know about the efficiency of the CLU-048 but it is a quite good option, I saw a lot of grow diaries with those ones and very nice results, between 1,3-1,9 g/w. Keep it up the good work, greetings from Argentina!
@@ConsciusVeritasVids Yes, it is an awesome light, they use the 4000K cri 97 CLU-048-1212. Take a look on cannabiscafe, there is a section on the forum called Photosystem. It is a group of guys who sell those lights but you can buy them on alibaba as well.
You got to think about running costs. The most efficient choice will quickly save enough energy to justify the higher starting price. Plus, it won't get as hot, so you can save a few bucks on the heatsink. Would be interesting to see these CLU tested, never heard of those.
@@LachskoenigIV Well, that is for sure. I thought about it having even that in mind, it is less expensive at least 3 heatsinks to run them at 50 watts than only one of those big black heatsinks. For example, you have the Migro 300+ to cover 1m2, three lights at 100 watts for 517€, but if you choose the CLU048 you have 450 watts on 9 lights to cover 1.2x1.2m for 450€. And always will be more efficient because with 9 spots you have no shadows and will spend less money and having more watts and umoles/s.
@@Hambriento1 I guess I got to trust that you calculated that ammount right for the needed heatsinks and drivers. Still, the question about the efficency remains. If the CLU-048 are less efficient, that 67€ difference will easily even out. Even half a KWh saved a day will add up that in little over a year. Also, it depends what value you lay on secondary factors like IP rating, diffusion, safety, ease of handling. It would be unfair to compare a raw build against a marketed product. You'll always pay more for a finished product. If they are on the same level of efficency, great. Otherwise I'd prefer to spend less in the long run.
Where can I find a similar COB lens? If I were flush w cash, I'd just order a MIGRO 600. I'm not in that position. The L-23 Bridgelux Vero 29 puts out less lumens per watt than the 73 SE. Does that matter? Can it still have a higher efficacy?
I have a doubt. If we are talking about a 1000 lumen bicycle light that has only one cree versus a 1500 lumen one that has luminus, which one is better and why? What is the difference between one and the other?
Thanks once again for a fair, transparent and illuminating comparison Shane. All you hear about in the N. American grow community is Cree-this and Cree-that, best performing COB, out-performs everything. Can't figure it out...why don't they all use Luminus if they are the top COB out there? (Not a rhetorical question...love to hear your answer) Cheers!
prob because its actually made in America so supporting a company that u live in or near is way better then supporting china also the differences in the cobs are so marginal that it really makes little to no difference
Are the CXM32 still the best cobs on the market, or are they a year later something better now? I had an accident with one of my lights I got shocked and I burned out the cubs so I'm going to replace one of my lights and I'm just wondering if there's something better to run than CXM 22s or my CXB3590s Well I know the CXB 3590s aren't the best anymore but I'm wondering if the CXM32 still is
A c version of the vero 29se? I got the vero from the bridgelux rep a few weeks ago. There is a newer version available soon but, as I said in the video, its lm per watt is 6% better but this will not raise the output enough for me to use it.
I always watch your videos, they are very useful and I can't find any channel in Spanish that explains and tests like you do, it would be great if you could subtitle it in Spanish! they would reach many more people who do not understand English. greetings and thanks! from Argentina.
If I can make a request, I would like to see the Matristar Smart S2 or S1 LED grow light tested in a future review of LED grow lights. These two models are 150w actual draw and would be best compared with HLG 135, Mars Hydro TS1000, etc. You make great videos and do it with an unbiased approach.
i think we are just about at the limits in terms of output..the next big thing in lighting is plant and light recipes..light recipes you mach to your plants..by region lattitude ,longitude,sea level etc..then you just plant the seeds hit the barcode on the pack of seeds into the light application and that will simulate the ideal growing conditions for that plant..they do it a little already by tweaking with reds and blues but this goes one step beyond that..imagine a plant that controls its own light rendition and output...game changer especially if you can gather this info thats readily available now..we know all about regional conditions..now you just need to match them with that regions light recipe,conditions and soil structures..you could do it for all plants..the skys the limit because of all the hydreds and variations..some clever person could input all this into an app..theres must be a 1000 varieties of roses for instance..seed and light combos..
@THE PANDA COLLECTIVE I can get the Bridgelux Vero 23 L series at digikey for like $24. I haven't gotten any search results that showed an alibaba link. I'll try going directly to alibaba. Update: 0 Luminus COBs on alibaba. Citizen CLU058 10 moq $39 ea. Luminus gen 4 CXM-22 , $21 at digikey.
Amazing video and very usefull information to consider our light system. However I don't understand how you can run the CXM32 at 50-100W... according the LUMIX specs the CXM only runs between 123 - 285W. Only the CXM22 gen4 can run into this test range. Can you offer light about this point. Thank you Best regards
WEDONT VOIR L'INTENSITÉ MESUR ET TENSION EN DIRECT c'est tellement mauvais vidéo pour la publicité... cree est entre 34-38v mesure réelle et luminus est entre 48v-57v...how you can proff your "50w " or "100w" etc IT IS NOT A SERIOUS VIDEO
Hi Shane love your videos; I tell all my friends about them. Please work on your audio delivery. This video is a good example. When I turn the volume up to a listening level, your audio track has extreme peaks and dips in volume love your voice, which is painful and I miss valuable information. This is partly to do with you speaking loudly and very quietly at different times, but also in the post editing of your video this can be controlled and adjusted. It might help to listen in your car while driving, which is where I noticed it the most. Thanks so much for providing the solid information you do on your channel.
@@MIGROLIGHT this is a little detailed, but it should get you pointed in the right direction: "How Loud Should You Master Your Music" by In The Mix th-cam.com/video/GBqeSbisROU/w-d-xo.html Honestly the volume is okay, but it's the dynamics between quiet and loud sounds that seems too extreme. I'm not real familiar with audio editing, but I believe the compression tool helps reduce this difference.
You can see more real par maps over at our website. www.rubol.nl/par-maps/ The model used in this test is not correct. The top model of the Citizen is CLU058-1825C4-353M2M2-F1.
@@rubolhorticulture4320 I see the CLU058-1825C4-353M2M2-F1 are 155lm per watt which is a 1.9% increase in efficacy over the model in tested. If you want to send me one I'd be happy to test it and post the video update our address is on the website. Thanks Shane
Hi Shane love the review's! Probably the best there are on lighting 👍👍👍 I'm just about to start my first indoor grow an have just realised how pricey quality lights are🙈. I was wondering if you have any 2nd hand light's you would sell? Preferably the MIGROW range but any would do👍 thanks m8
Hi, we will be selling off some very slightly damaged stock on ebay soon. Keep an eye on our store, link on the website blog section. Only shipping to Europe though.
Quality lights arent that expensive, just name brand lights are. Plenty of fixtures out there using Cree, Bridgelux etc for a fraction of the cost of a Migro, a California Lightworks or a Timber.
Cheers Shane, Running the luminus at half power is the most efficient. What kind of square footage would that be good for seed to flower? What height would you recommend
IS THERE ANYWAY I CAN PERSONAL CONTACT YOU I FEEL YOU CAN QUICKY ANSWER the QUESTION I HAVE ABOUT 3WATT UNICORN DIODES AND HOW TO TELL WHAT THE ORIGINAL SPECTRUM WAS SO ONE WILL KNOW WHICH ONES TO ORDER TO REPLACE THANKS SO MUCH HOPE TO SOMEHOW HERE BACK FROM YOU SOON LOVE THE NEW VIDEO THANKS AGAIN FOR ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK WITHOUT YOU THESE LED COMPANYS WOULD STILL BE MAKING THEIR VERY MISLEADING STATEMENTS
Thanks for sharing! I just bought 5 BXRC-35G10K0-C-73-SE chips and i was wondering the diference between this one and the BXRC-35E10K0-B-73-SE. By the datasheet it says that mine have 90 cri, but less efficacy. So i wanna ask you which one is better and why?
90 cri has a better red spectrum. Your C should be equal or close to 80 cri B. If you had an 80 cri C it would put out more per watt than the B. It probsbly still woukd be short of the CXM-32-35-80
I don't know about you guys, but I am still not sure about using these COB LEDs for grow tents. Their par per watt output is really good, but the area covered seems a little wanting. What are your thoughts?
Hey bud. I have recently been in contact with a guy that sells grow lights utilizing the cree xp-g3 diodes. You could probably search apollo flux aft-hs100 and find it. I just wanted to know if you had any info on these diodes and hopefully in the future you could test one of these lights. I see photon chasers. UK have their own cree xpg3 boards aswell. Anyway he seems to think they put perform hlg boards and I am very sceptical
If your looking to get some new lights i would head over to invisible sun LED as they are almmost exactly the same as HLG boards but seem to run at a lower temperature than the HLG even when ran at the same/equal wattage. I have 2 4000k 170w fixtures for my veg tent and 2 3000k 300w fixtures for my flowering tent and believe me they absolutely kick ass.
So looked up cree vs luminous. For 1 cree you can get them for cents or dollars. CENTS. a 1single luminous bulb is 54+ dollars. lol How is osrams? They're big name and by far the most affordable?
@@MIGROLIGHT +- 480 watts on a light mover , that's good bang for your money! amazing results :) im gonna buy one cob from MIGRO for supplementing little bit more.
I enjoy all your videos but the volume is always pretty low. Can barely hear it from my phone at all even with headphones have to watch it on my laptop so I can turn the volume way way up.
Selo Tozi the cxb3590 is on only available in the DB bin from 4000k upwards, it has more blue in the spectrum so of course it will test higher. If that’s the case just put a 6500k cob in and it will beat them all👍 This test is for 3500k only
false : specs from luminus : If - Courant direct: 2640 mA Vf - Tension directe: 54 V Données de puissance: 142.6 W so is only 118Lumens par watt for CXM32 3500K
yeah, so i noticed when trying to cobble (pun intended) together a cob build. crunched the numbers, and figured if i get 3 of those for the price of the big 30 buck bastards, design the fixture to have em a bit closer to gether and drive them lower, (like 15 cm apart and driven at only 23 watts those 155 lm/watt turn into 178) through sheer number, i can get the efficiency back by driving them softer, and can get up closer to beat out the whole inverse square law without using expensive lenses, just put all the money in cobs, not to mention you could cool them by mounting them a piece of sheet metal with some big fans blowing over it, if not completely passively :D i'm all clu048 1212s, the rest is too high up my alley, well, i'm looking to find a way to get my hands on some of those bridgelux eb strips that go for like 3 bucks per 13.5 watts too.
WEDONT VOIR L'INTENSITÉ MESUR ET TENSION EN DIRECT c'est tellement mauvais vidéo pour la publicité... cree est entre 34-38v mesure réelle et luminus est entre 48v-57v...how you can proff your "50w " or "100w" etc IT IS NOT A SERIOUS VIDEO
Shane you must be an interesting character. I always thought if I had a business I would do things differently than others. You are doing this in a way that deserves so much respect. Half of the time you are doing somebody else's job and you do it better than most of them could ever dream of doing. Thanks
God I wish there were more channels like this, but then this wouldn't be as special, brilliant testing!
I have learned so much from your Channel Shane. Thanks a million.
Thank you sir for what you do and the time you take to do it 100% okie dokie stay cool peace out
The vero C is the most efficient chip in Bridgelux's line, why didn't you test it? As well as the original vero is more efficient than the SE version. You solder your luminus, so should be no issue.
Thanks for that dude ...nice greetz from austria ...love your diy !!
Cool name, I just set up a channel a little while ago called MrGreenGenes lol Have you tried the Bridgelux EB strips? Now that I see you're the photo boist guy.
lol 0:43 vs CLU058-3618. This guy lol
You can get all sorts of different readings sliding apogee way you are. Needs solid mount. Slightest movement can change readings.
Use Gen 8 Vero
Hi Shane, Why did you test the lower performing CLU058-1825C4-353M2K1 gen.5 which is BBL and not the top bin. The CLU058-1825C4-353M2M2-F1 gen.6 is the best at this moment. I will happily supply you with the COBs for a proper test.
Same reason why he didn't use the C ver of the veros. Shane is legit and he sells a good product, but he still has to sell a product.
I see the CLU058-1825C4-353M2M2-F1 are 155lm per watt which is a 1.9% increase in efficacy over the model in tested. If you want to send me one I'd be happy to test it and post the video update our address is on the website. Thanks Shane
@@MIGROLIGHT Citizen only works with typical values in their datasheets. They represent the bare minimum of what they will put out. It has to do with their Japanse heritage and culture. There is is a great shame to perform less than promised. That is why they only give the minimun numbers in the datasheets. When you test them in a sphere you will be greatly suprised by Citizen cobs.
Rubol Horticulture If that’s the case the bare minimum of the K1 version is 152lm per watt as per the citizen data sheet which Shane just tested, the F1 version you mentioned “bare minimum” is155lm per watt according to the citizen data sheet which is about 1.9% increase in efficiency which still doesn’t beat the Luminus cxm32 gen4😊
I’m sure Shane will test this too but I’m also sure you will have some other excuse to throw out there 🤯✌️
@@SmokinEddy Ok, I checked the data sheet and you are referring to the 69V version of the same chip. According to the datasheet it is not any more efficient than the 50V version?
Do a side by side grow with each of these cobs against your light. I have grown with Cree CXB3590 and Citizen CLU048 cobs and they both grow great looking plants.
I myself use the older Citizen's-CLU048. I actually found adjustable COB's, the only others I've seen besides Migro. They're available with Cree-CXB3590's, but costs much more. 100W, 2-50W COB's on a 1M bar that slide along it, COB's adjust 180°, and can turn 350°, allowing them to be angled/turned however you please! We had a 630W DE-CMH in a 5x5 Gorilla Tent, and used 4-100W-1M bars around the perimeter, giving 8 more points of light to adjust to any situation, supercharged the grows! They were/are on Alibaba. I even recommended to Shane as an economic version fixture. As Shane's craftsmanship is much nicer! Adjustability makes an incredible difference! Now waiting on 2-240W Quantum Boards(generic) w/Samsung LM301H(Horticulture 3.0 umols/J!) to replace the 630W DE-CMH. JUST SOME EXPERIENCE, ETC.. THE CITIZEN'S HAVE BEEN GREAT THOUGH!
If you are on a tight budget vero29 version C is the way to go. If you can afford it, definitely go luminus
Wassup my brother
so how do clu48 1212s stack up?
i love their upfront cost a lot, bought 4 of them driven @ nominal, i figured i could 4 more, drive them half the amperage to claw back some efficiency, and take care of the spread by numbers so i can get them a bit closer to the plants too, i may redesign the fixture to sheet metal when i take that plan all the way.
@Andrew Brent well if you drive them lower, you don't need the seperate heatsinks just get a sheet of aluminum, right?
i'm not sure about pricing lol, quantum boards are 180 bucks for 120 watts here, they don't look cheap where i'm at (netherlands)
these cobs are 10-12 bucks for 36 watts, i'll have to drive them real low to make the QB worthwhile, and these things don't work for shit on their own on a 3x3, so i'll need to save up like 500-600 bucks for those.
sure, they're more efficient, but that's a lot of money.
i already have 4 clu048 3500k cobs center, and 2 blurple AC cobs to fill the sides in a bit, so i guess i'll just continue on this one for now :D
besides, i got heatsinks coming out of my ass from being a computer geek
stripped out the old graveyard for them already, they're waiting on cobs ;')
i may want to dabble in adding a blue or 2 aswell on a sepearate driver so i can control the stretch, have been doing that with 20 watt 6000k e27 bulbs with the diffusive cap popped off for now.
Always great videos Shane! I know the COB's have lenses usually, but would love to see the numbers of what a 50W COB can do in a 2'x2', 60cm x 60cm space with walls! Efficiency rating, I guess won't change, but w/2'x2' space/reflective walls should give much higher umol numbers, I'd think? For that size space, with different heights, etc. But I'm halfway through video, so maybe I'll be surprised! I do understand that this video was about efficiency of new COB chips, and is accurate. Just love to see the differences in space, relative to wattage. And your the man with the truth always! One thing about COB's, chip can always be changed to newer, more efficient, settings. I didn't want to pay $50 more for Cree, got last generation Citizens chips(year ago), thinking I could always upgrade chips! I think the Luminous chips may be too large compared to Citizen CLU's I'd replace. I need to look into that! Sorry for rambling on, once again. Time to finish video, coffee!!! Most important light channel online! Thanks again Shane!
thanks, according to my tests measuring the light output to the edges of the light intensity measures more of the photons than in smaller areas with reflective walls.
@@MIGROLIGHT I was just wondering what the umol levels would be in a 2'x2', as the area used would have higher numbers(wasn't that the idea w/the added walls?). But yes, I agree the umols/Watt, total efficiency, will be more accurate, the way you tested, with all photons!👍 Have a great one(or several!) Shane! Always love the videos. The best!
Very informative, time consuming tests.... Thanks for doing it!
The Bridgelux Vero 29C is actually more efficient than the B and does well driven hard but still not quite as efficient as the Luminus. Nice test still.
I have the Vero 29c how does the sv version differ?
West Virginia Dave, Thank you Mr. Shane for all ya do for us, you the best respect to ya Mr. stay blessed my friends.
Why you did not use reflective myler ? i think its a standard this day's,
no one going to run them like that in the dark with no reflective metiral what so ever..
i think it would even bump the numbers a bit
but still , thank you very much ma man!
Measuring the light output to the edges of the light intensity measures more of the photons than in smaller areas with reflective walls.
Its possible to compare Citizen CLU058 80%CRI VS 90%CRI? (M2 VS H5)
I want to know what some of the led street lamps are putting out? They been changing out the old hps all over town.
Is Luminus CXM32 3500K 80CRI Gen4, part number CXM-32-35-80-54-AC40-F5-3 available? Can't find it anywhere. Thanks for video.
Yup, they are. I was also looking for them... was'nt easy but here u have a detail seller: rubol.nl/product/1x-luminus-cxm-32-gen4-3500k-80cri-kopie/. 35 euro + NL tax. by the way... im not a seller or anything. Hope i help someone and Shane won't kill me for that. Grate job Shane. Keep it going.
rubol.nl or a place is ukraine whose name escapes ne. The shipping to USA exoensive.
Love your tests normally but wondering why you did it over 120x120 when a Migro-100 is recommended for 60x60? Just wondering what that would do to numbers, with reflective walls like normal. Maybe an idea for a quicker re run 😉
Measuring the light output to the edges of the light intensity measures more of the photons than in smaller areas with reflective walls.
Why didn't you use Vero's "C" model? It is more efficient than the "B".
Hi, the efficiency is the same for the B,C and D version.
@@MIGROLIGHT Again, not true. Check my other reply.
I'm sure the C's are more efficient. But I'm not interested in that as I am in letting you know I do appreciate your content @migro and would prefer a comparison of these led's while focusing on efficiency at various driving currents rather than watts.
@@MIGROLIGHT Yeah i saw B,C,D versions has the same efficiency ratings in first datasheet table, but be careful, those are specified at different power for each version. For example, D version on 75W has around 164 lm/W at that power C version has 183 lm/W, at 50W even crazy 195 lm/W while your b version at that power has around 155 lm/W. At 17€ a piece, if you run them at lower power and have more chips to make for desired power (low price), i know no better lights on market? C version deserves another test!
You NEED To test the chilled punk v3 Bro' that's great ! The greenception gc bar is good too . That's pro stuff ;D
Why test these in an open space and not in a tent when you test other lights (Mars TS 1000 for example) in a tent? Would be interesting to see what kind of boost you would see in terms of PAR efficacy.
I tested my Timber 4vs (would love to see you do a review of a Timber light btw) in my Orca liked tent (every surface lined) and got significantly higher efficacy numbers than you are showing here. Closer to the 2.3 range you show here for the Migro Cob run at 50 Watts (and the Timber runs the Vero 29’s at 100W).
Thanks for the great videos though! Very informative!
What driver would you recommend for the Luminus?
Thank you.
Hello shane, thanks for this video.
I have 4 cxm 22 with angelinas,this 22 is great? Or is very low efficiency than 32?
Thanks
Thanks Shane!
Have you read about the health issues around dimmable leds?
I have heard of issues with EMC (electro magnetic compatability) on low end drivers. They emit magnetic radiation. Ours are EMC compliant so no issue there. Flicker can also give some people headaches etc. The MIGRO drivers do not flicker so no issue there either
I want to know what do you know ?
@@MIGROLIGHT The dimmable create frequencies that are dangerous to our electromagnetic bio-rhythm. Ive had calls from 2 health specialists asking if our growlights were dimmable. Just wondered if you'd had similiar calls.
Hidden Harvest Grow Lights I wouldn't worry about led s when 5g is coming out and all the crap they spray in our skies. 🍻
@@blopjones1665 Agreed on 5G. Shit....wifi alone is a disrupter. The sky....no agreement. Its a psyop. I study helio-physics and its not chemtrails or weather warfare. Solar cycles.
Fyi.....your chemtrails are supposedly full of atomized particulates such as barium and strontium. Now....google those two names.....and go buy it at your local supplement store. Your falling for it. Be smarter.
There are 4 levels to our stratosphere. If they truly wanted to get you....it could easily be masked at higher altitudes. Its not happening.
Now...regarding operation Solar Shield.....these particulates may be helping the earth warm a bit to prevent cooling from Solar cycles...but unlikely.
Have an awesome day. Eyes open...no fear.
This is a great test, I love to see this kind of stuff even I do not know as much as you, man. I wish you can talk a little bit about prices. 1 Luminus CXM-32 is about 37U$D, Vero29 is 29U$D and CXB350 is 21U$D. The CLU 058 is 38U$D if I am not wrong. But, I know it is not in the test, the CLU-048 is 9,25U$D, so it is more cost efficient to buy 4 CLU-048 than 1 Luminus, for example, because you can cover more space and distribute light more efficiently. I do not know about the efficiency of the CLU-048 but it is a quite good option, I saw a lot of grow diaries with those ones and very nice results, between 1,3-1,9 g/w.
Keep it up the good work, greetings from Argentina!
Almost two grams per watt?! Holy cow! :O
@@ConsciusVeritasVids Yes, it is an awesome light, they use the 4000K cri 97 CLU-048-1212. Take a look on cannabiscafe, there is a section on the forum called Photosystem. It is a group of guys who sell those lights but you can buy them on alibaba as well.
You got to think about running costs. The most efficient choice will quickly save enough energy to justify the higher starting price. Plus, it won't get as hot, so you can save a few bucks on the heatsink.
Would be interesting to see these CLU tested, never heard of those.
@@LachskoenigIV Well, that is for sure. I thought about it having even that in mind, it is less expensive at least 3 heatsinks to run them at 50 watts than only one of those big black heatsinks. For example, you have the Migro 300+ to cover 1m2, three lights at 100 watts for 517€, but if you choose the CLU048 you have 450 watts on 9 lights to cover 1.2x1.2m for 450€. And always will be more efficient because with 9 spots you have no shadows and will spend less money and having more watts and umoles/s.
@@Hambriento1 I guess I got to trust that you calculated that ammount right for the needed heatsinks and drivers.
Still, the question about the efficency remains. If the CLU-048 are less efficient, that 67€ difference will easily even out. Even half a KWh saved a day will add up that in little over a year.
Also, it depends what value you lay on secondary factors like IP rating, diffusion, safety, ease of handling. It would be unfair to compare a raw build against a marketed product. You'll always pay more for a finished product.
If they are on the same level of efficency, great. Otherwise I'd prefer to spend less in the long run.
What’s the spectrum on them all like is it the same or how does that work
Love the tunes. This video gave me a fuzzy feeling watching it. Cheers!
Where can I find a similar COB lens? If I were flush w cash, I'd just order a MIGRO 600. I'm not in that position. The L-23 Bridgelux Vero 29 puts out less lumens per watt than the 73 SE. Does that matter? Can it still have a higher efficacy?
Are they selling on Amazon?
Thank you Shane. Thank you so much!
I have a doubt.
If we are talking about a 1000 lumen bicycle light that has only one cree versus a 1500 lumen one that has luminus, which one is better and why?
What is the difference between one and the other?
Vero 29 gen 8 test result? Or gen 7 ?
Thanks once again for a fair, transparent and illuminating comparison Shane. All you hear about in the N. American grow community is Cree-this and Cree-that, best performing COB, out-performs everything. Can't figure it out...why don't they all use Luminus if they are the top COB out there? (Not a rhetorical question...love to hear your answer) Cheers!
prob because its actually made in America so supporting a company that u live in or near is way better then supporting china also the differences in the cobs are so marginal that it really makes little to no difference
Awesome video Shane so informative. I might have to try a migro are you already using the luminus chips.
And what is the best led panel for growing plants and canabis ??????
Can you connect these directly to AC ?
Are the CXM32 still the best cobs on the market, or are they a year later something better now?
I had an accident with one of my lights I got shocked and I burned out the cubs so I'm going to replace one of my lights and I'm just wondering if there's something better to run than CXM 22s or my CXB3590s
Well I know the CXB 3590s aren't the best anymore but I'm wondering if the CXM32 still is
why not "C" bin for bridgelux?
A c version of the vero 29se? I got the vero from the bridgelux rep a few weeks ago. There is a newer version available soon but, as I said in the video, its lm per watt is 6% better but this will not raise the output enough for me to use it.
I always watch your videos, they are very useful and I can't find any channel in Spanish that explains and tests like you do, it would be great if you could subtitle it in Spanish! they would reach many more people who do not understand English. greetings and thanks! from Argentina.
If I can make a request, I would like to see the Matristar Smart S2 or S1 LED grow light tested in a future review of LED grow lights. These two models are 150w actual draw and would be best compared with HLG 135, Mars Hydro TS1000, etc. You make great videos and do it with an unbiased approach.
Could you please make a video about the luminus cxm-22 Horti. Cheers :)
i got the citizen cobs running at 700ma..10x25w...over 200lm a watt i reckon..soldered with copper wire..beutifull rig.
i think we are just about at the limits in terms of output..the next big thing in lighting is plant and light recipes..light recipes you mach to your plants..by region lattitude ,longitude,sea level etc..then you just plant the seeds hit the barcode on the pack of seeds into the light application and that will simulate the ideal growing conditions for that plant..they do it a little already by tweaking with reds and blues but this goes one step beyond that..imagine a plant that controls its own light rendition and output...game changer especially if you can gather this info thats readily available now..we know all about regional conditions..now you just need to match them with that regions light recipe,conditions and soil structures..you could do it for all plants..the skys the limit because of all the hydreds and variations..some clever person could input all this into an app..theres must be a 1000 varieties of roses for instance..seed and light combos..
Citizen cobs are really great value for the money!
@@OverGrowTheUk I love my gen 6 clu048
Know anywhere I can get 4 of the CXM32 gen 4? Digikey and Mouser require 300 minumum purchase. 4K k
@THE PANDA COLLECTIVE I can get the Bridgelux Vero 23 L series at digikey for like $24. I haven't gotten any search results that showed an alibaba link. I'll try going directly to alibaba. Update: 0 Luminus COBs on alibaba. Citizen CLU058 10 moq $39 ea. Luminus gen 4 CXM-22 , $21 at digikey.
Any chance we'll see you test the Fluence Spydr 2p or 2i? I'd love to see some conclusive info on them
Amazing video and very usefull information to consider our light system.
However I don't understand how you can run the CXM32 at 50-100W... according the LUMIX specs the CXM only runs between 123 - 285W.
Only the CXM22 gen4 can run into this test range. Can you offer light about this point.
Thank you
Best regards
WEDONT VOIR L'INTENSITÉ MESUR ET TENSION EN DIRECT c'est tellement mauvais vidéo pour la publicité... cree est entre 34-38v mesure réelle et luminus est entre 48v-57v...how you can proff your "50w " or "100w" etc IT IS NOT A SERIOUS VIDEO
They lie for sell
Hi Shane love your videos; I tell all my friends about them. Please work on your audio delivery. This video is a good example. When I turn the volume up to a listening level, your audio track has extreme peaks and dips in volume love your voice, which is painful and I miss valuable information. This is partly to do with you speaking loudly and very quietly at different times, but also in the post editing of your video this can be controlled and adjusted. It might help to listen in your car while driving, which is where I noticed it the most. Thanks so much for providing the solid information you do on your channel.
When I'm editing it sounds loud enough but the volume is low on TH-cam. I'll work on it. Thanks for the feedback. Appreciate it. Take care Shane.
@@MIGROLIGHT this is a little detailed, but it should get you pointed in the right direction:
"How Loud Should You Master Your Music" by In The Mix
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Honestly the volume is okay, but it's the dynamics between quiet and loud sounds that seems too extreme. I'm not real familiar with audio editing, but I believe the compression tool helps reduce this difference.
I use citizen they work really well glad to see the real ppfd of there chips 👍
You can see more real par maps over at our website. www.rubol.nl/par-maps/
The model used in this test is not correct. The top model of the Citizen is CLU058-1825C4-353M2M2-F1.
@@rubolhorticulture4320 I see the CLU058-1825C4-353M2M2-F1 are 155lm per watt which is a 1.9% increase in efficacy over the model in tested. If you want to send me one I'd be happy to test it and post the video update our address is on the website. Thanks Shane
where can you buy the luminus chips from in the UK? any UK suppliers?
Awesome Shane! 🇨🇦✌
Was the act of dropping the cob a show of it's durability or what?
Really good work man ! I want to buy a Par testor . Wich model do you use in your video ?
Hi Shane love the review's! Probably the best there are on lighting 👍👍👍 I'm just about to start my first indoor grow an have just realised how pricey quality lights are🙈. I was wondering if you have any 2nd hand light's you would sell? Preferably the MIGROW range but any would do👍 thanks m8
Hi, we will be selling off some very slightly damaged stock on ebay soon. Keep an eye on our store, link on the website blog section. Only shipping to Europe though.
Quality lights arent that expensive, just name brand lights are. Plenty of fixtures out there using Cree, Bridgelux etc for a fraction of the cost of a Migro, a California Lightworks or a Timber.
Can you make a light for a 5×5 tent?
Have you tested the gn telos 0010
What kind(model) of lens was used on test?
He doesnt wanna say - probably keeps it as a business secret :)
Cheers Shane, Running the luminus at half power is the most efficient. What kind of square footage would that be good for seed to flower? What height would you recommend
Hi, the Luminus CXM at 50W will cover 2 square feet. 20cm hanging height.
🔥🌳
@@MIGROLIGHT It must be mistake - 2 square feet is ONLY 0.185806m2 :(
IS THERE ANYWAY I CAN PERSONAL CONTACT YOU I FEEL YOU CAN QUICKY ANSWER the QUESTION I HAVE ABOUT 3WATT UNICORN DIODES AND HOW TO TELL WHAT THE ORIGINAL SPECTRUM WAS SO ONE WILL KNOW WHICH ONES TO ORDER TO REPLACE THANKS SO MUCH HOPE TO SOMEHOW HERE BACK FROM YOU SOON LOVE THE NEW VIDEO THANKS AGAIN FOR ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK WITHOUT YOU THESE LED COMPANYS WOULD STILL BE MAKING THEIR VERY MISLEADING STATEMENTS
No standard of 1000ppfd center reading on these tests?
No. Just high enough so the light was reaching the perimeter of the test area so the number of readings are maximised for accuracy
Thanks for sharing! I just bought 5 BXRC-35G10K0-C-73-SE chips and i was wondering the diference between this one and the BXRC-35E10K0-B-73-SE.
By the datasheet it says that mine have 90 cri, but less efficacy. So i wanna ask you which one is better and why?
90 cri has a better red spectrum. Your C should be equal or close to 80 cri B. If you had an 80 cri C it would put out more per watt than the B. It probsbly still woukd be short of the CXM-32-35-80
I don't know about you guys, but I am still not sure about using these COB LEDs for grow tents. Their par per watt output is really good, but the area covered seems a little wanting.
What are your thoughts?
The Grow Tent Guys also no UV or IR
Thats why use 6 cobs in 120x120
@@ObjectiveAnalysis right?!?
@@rapidash1999 :)
Are they driverless or need a drive
Go Shane go,stay blessed
Thank you for the video - Are any of your products currently using the CXM32 or will they be released soon?
Migro cob lights are using the luminus cxm32
Yes we are using the cxm model tested
isnt samsung 301b better?
Where do you get the CXM-32-35-80-54-AC40-F5-3? I can't find it.
Mouser
rubol.nl Shipping price is awful though.
Hey bud. I have recently been in contact with a guy that sells grow lights utilizing the cree xp-g3 diodes. You could probably search apollo flux aft-hs100 and find it. I just wanted to know if you had any info on these diodes and hopefully in the future you could test one of these lights. I see photon chasers. UK have their own cree xpg3 boards aswell.
Anyway he seems to think they put perform hlg boards and I am very sceptical
If your looking to get some new lights i would head over to invisible sun LED as they are almmost exactly the same as HLG boards but seem to run at a lower temperature than the HLG even when ran at the same/equal wattage. I have 2 4000k 170w fixtures for my veg tent and 2 3000k 300w fixtures for my flowering tent and believe me they absolutely kick ass.
Vero 29 in video, nice! I wait for it.
Is it true the lense cause excess heat ?? Is it better with out a lense
ronnyfergo
It will run cooler for sure without the lens. Gotta be some sort of projector instead.
truth shines brightest ,you are a star Shane thanks for sharing.
So looked up cree vs luminous. For 1 cree you can get them for cents or dollars. CENTS. a 1single luminous bulb is 54+ dollars. lol
How is osrams? They're big name and by far the most affordable?
Can you do a test at 25-30 W ?
Not really much point. the fixture cost would increase x 2 or 3 times so the outcome is not useful, in my view.
Great study, man
Always good info, i really like that, honest true and good data..love it! thnx ( i dont have cobs but samsungs lm301b ,cree660 and uv )
Nice efficient setup👍
@@MIGROLIGHT +- 480 watts on a light mover , that's good bang for your money! amazing results :) im gonna buy one cob from MIGRO for supplementing little bit more.
I enjoy all your videos but the volume is always pretty low. Can barely hear it from my phone at all even with headphones have to watch it on my laptop so I can turn the volume way way up.
Too bad only CREE is used for manufactured lights and you can't get a CXM 32 gen 4 without buying 300 of them.
Nice instant drop test performed there 😂
Does anybody know cob Cree led cxa1512? Thanks
Wow!!! Thank’s!!!
Definitely 3500K DB bin would win
Selo Tozi the cxb3590 is on only available in the DB bin from 4000k upwards, it has more blue in the spectrum so of course it will test higher. If that’s the case just put a 6500k cob in and it will beat them all👍
This test is for 3500k only
The Budget Grower that’s not right
I have DB bin 3500K on stock
My Cree cobs are all 3500K DB bin I can show you a picture
So that’s why test must be with top binning and not CD bin
The DB bin will definitely be one of the top contenders @50W we have them in stock too. Don't know where this mixup is comming from..??
2.13 on the new light at a 6% increese for video edit
false : specs from luminus :
If - Courant direct: 2640 mA
Vf - Tension directe: 54 V
Données de puissance: 142.6 W
so is only 118Lumens par watt for CXM32 3500K
ok does he means to say efficiency ( eh-fish-en-see) or is it a completely different work he is using.
Nice I'll be testing a few LEDs and cons this year as well. ✌️🤟 Really love your content help everyone allot.
You used wrong version of Vero; not to mention you used the SE. Luminous chips definitely have the lowest quality out of the 4.
Take diffuser off & do a fair test.
Citizen clu048 gen 6 is ten bucks lol ftw !
This!
yeah, so i noticed when trying to cobble (pun intended) together a cob build.
crunched the numbers, and figured if i get 3 of those for the price of the big 30 buck bastards, design the fixture to have em a bit closer to gether and drive them lower,
(like 15 cm apart and driven at only 23 watts those 155 lm/watt turn into 178)
through sheer number, i can get the efficiency back by driving them softer, and can get up closer to beat out the whole inverse square law without using expensive lenses,
just put all the money in cobs, not to mention you could cool them by mounting them a piece of sheet metal with some big fans blowing over it, if not completely passively :D
i'm all clu048 1212s, the rest is too high up my alley, well, i'm looking to find a way to get my hands on some of those bridgelux eb strips that go for like 3 bucks per 13.5 watts too.
The mouse on the wheel in his head is only running at 50% efficiency
I like my vero just rapid led don't sell them anymore
Please review the greenception GC-4!!
THANKS!!!
Wow, a Solid 2 is badass. I guess my old XP-G and XR-E Chips suck nowadays. But still better than cfl i guess.
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Hey my friend how are you
@@monarchsmarttv doing good bro hope all is good with you✊
WEDONT SEE INTENSITY MESUR AND VOLTAGE IN LIVE its so bad video for publicity... cree is between 34-38v real mesure and luminus is between 48v-57v...
Great video, I know what chip I’m getting 👍👍😁
Machine!!
WEDONT VOIR L'INTENSITÉ MESUR ET TENSION EN DIRECT c'est tellement mauvais vidéo pour la publicité... cree est entre 34-38v mesure réelle et luminus est entre 48v-57v...how you can proff your "50w " or "100w" etc IT IS NOT A SERIOUS VIDEO
Bugger m8 I'm in 🇦🇺👍 all GD though...
dont smoke before making video mate :DD
This video is completely inaccurate and should be removed by the creator, do some more research before you spread misinformation!