6:40 both Alex Palou and Robert Shwartzman have their super license - Palou from his 2021 Indycar championship (which gives 40 points) and Shwartzman from his 2020 and 2021 F2 seasons (that gave him 40 points each for placing 4th and 2nd respectively)
Your exclusion list of great drivers that would have not made enough points for a super license shows how it really needs to be re-thought. Thanks for the video. And the annual cost point is just crazy.
Yuji Ide had his super license revoked by the FIA in 2006 after a four race f1 career because he kept crashing! I believe this is the only time a super license has been revoked.
Well yes if you're a rookie and you come out your first four races and crash you should be revoked. Maybe you should be more cautious if you are a rookie. Now whether someone rear-ended him and knocked him out that might be a different issue. The FIA should scrutinise each incident and make sure he was at fault.
Kym I like your timing meter. What interests me are what are the nationality requirements? Perhaps at some point you could delve deeper into that subject. It was a good watch very informative a lot of interesting points that I never knew existed. I am from a time when you didn't need so many regulations and requirements you just had to be a good solid driver. Cheers mate stay healthy.
Thank you Kym, I loved this content!! This is not the first points-explanation I recieve, but it is the best one, certainly. Could you do a video explaining the teams? How many mechanics, what do each one do (short version), how many cooks, what it takes to mount each one in the paddock, how many people in total makes the caravan... I know some time ago you showed at Mercedes offices like a box full of passports and the people who organized the trips, and that was weirdly interesting and fun to know. And now you turned a long and boring points system explanation into a super fun moment. I loved the Pancake O'ward Super license 😋
Never understood the logic of some drivers paying more for their license than others. I assume it's factored into driver contracts, particularly points bonuses? And I suppose for those drivers not resident in Monaco it'd be tax deductible expense?
5:25 even that seems to not be enough sometimes. Sebastien Loeb, who is arguably the most skilled race car driver alive, he was still denied the license.
The super license process does need to change. It's another massive financial barrier to get in which is heavily skewed to the benefit of European drivers. If you're not in Europe, good luck getting the license. For a sport that is viewed, competed in and prestigious all over the world, it should be easier for drivers from all over the world to get a shot.
I agree but I’m not sure the super license process is the biggest barrier to drivers outside of Europe getting into f1. There is also the fact that all of the teams are in Europe (well most of them in the uk) and there are series in Europe that have become the established feeder series to f1. It would be seen as a bigger risk to hire a driver that hasn’t gone this route because they would just be less certain of their ability.
@@Drenwickification indeed. F1 is very heavily European. That should change over time hopefully. It's always gonna be money talks, but with it being a world wide sport there are certainly a ton of drivers that are better than ones that have made it that will never have a chance. In theory it is possible to have an entire grid full of Hamiltons, Sennas, and Schumachers. Itd never happen though because of the odds of first finding 20+ drivers with that level of skill and having those same drivers be in the right place at the right time with the financial backing.
@@vjsoeifi Yeah for that to happen you'd have to go around schools and offer kids the chance to try out karting for free to then see who is quick and sponsor them to start karting Because at the end of the day, a very large % of kids have parents that cant even afford the £50 it would be for them to go and try to hire karts at the local track. So there could be a lot of Senna's that will never know because they could never even afford to try out hire karts let alone anything competitve which will be like 500x more expensive. Motorsport just is expensive even at the very lowest and cheapest entry point for a lot of people, way more than any other sport, so IMO it'll always be full of rich kids no matter what. What I would say is interesting though, is that from the last 20 years, the majority of 'great' drivers came from more humble backgrounds, such as schumacher, alonso, kimi, hamilton. Basically since 2000, the only drivers to win championships that came from wealthy families are max and nico and maybe Jenson, but even then jenson had the advantage of having a dad that was hugely into motorsport, and of course nico and max both have f1 driver dads. So I just find it interesting how despite 75% or more f1 drivers coming from rich background, the vast majority of titles come from humble backgrounds.
You missed out on Kimi Raikkonen in the list of drivers that would have missed out on a Superlicence based on the current system. He only did 16 single seater races (not even F3000/F3, just Formula Renault) before making the jump to F1. Hell, he was touch and go for a superlicence even back then! Only after he drove a prerequisite number of miles in testing did the FIA award him a superlicence. And on his first race, he scored a point!
Informative as always. I feel like this is one of those things not too many knew much about until Colton Herta was hurled into the mix in Silly Season. Obviously if you come through the route of F1's junior series, the points make perfect sense, but if you're coming from Indycar, they really don't--but the FIA created the system to favor their system, so is it fair to drivers in other categories---not really, but if you want control of something, you make the rules I suppose.
I wonder if one of the F1 stat-masters could devise a list of every currently active racing driver that passes the super license criteria. Given that the points expire, there has to be a finite number out there.
there are no countries that are explicitly banned from getting a Formula 1 Super Licence. However, there are certain criteria that drivers must meet in order to be eligible for a Super Licence, and these criteria may indirectly exclude drivers from certain countries. For example, in order to be eligible for a Super Licence, a driver must hold a valid driving licence issued by the country in which he or she resides or by the ASN of that country. If a country does not issue driving licences or does not have an ASN recognized by the FIA, drivers from that country may not be able to meet this requirement.
there are no countries that are explicitly banned from getting a Formula 1 Super Licence. Although some countries who do not issue a driver's licence may restrict people from acquiring a super licence.
There should definitely be a cap on how much drivers/teams should have to pay. It's outrageous that Max/RB had to fork over all that cash for winning a championship!?!?!?! 🤯
They never think of giving back to the small circuits around the world which help produce young drivers. All those guys who give up their weekends to marshal when the rain is going sideways at places like Cadwell park Etc. Or subsidizing young karters training courses. As usual they just put money into the glamour side of the business and for get the grass roots of the sport.
That's counterintuitive. The better you are at driving the car should prove your capabilities. Thus you should pay less. However I get the reasoning. 😂
Not a safety issue, it's more that some countries may not provide the means to achieve the criteria of a super licence. I.e. some countries do not issue explicit drivers licenses or the means to achieve points towards their super licence
Pato O'Ward and Alex Palou should be in F1; this S.L. is a joke. Jimmie Johnson is a 7x Nascar CHAMP and he would not have been allowed in F1???? 7 years times 230 races a year . . . . Qually for Indy 500 was 230+ mph last May (no lifting off throttle and 4 corners); Cost in USA???? nothing to specifically start driving to race our in our 2 series (Nascar, Indy.) Show up, get hired, race in Nascar, may win title 7 years in a row . . . . .
Why does Indycar drivers get an FIA super license? Kids start in FIA at a young age with cart and develop skills needed to get to F3. They sign contracts to race for teams. Winners of those move up to F2 and sign contracts with teams to get those seats. Best of the best still have to wait for F1 seats to become availble. There are only 20 seats. How does 1 seat be taken away by an Indycar driver that never came up the ranks in F3 F2 to earn an F1 seat? I say lawyer up.
Because they're smarter than you! do you think guys just get into Indy cars.... no they go through the exact same shit you schmuck! They start off karting and come up through various different series to get into IndyCar do you think only F2 and F3 bring up good drivers!
6:40 both Alex Palou and Robert Shwartzman have their super license - Palou from his 2021 Indycar championship (which gives 40 points) and Shwartzman from his 2020 and 2021 F2 seasons (that gave him 40 points each for placing 4th and 2nd respectively)
Your exclusion list of great drivers that would have not made enough points for a super license shows how it really needs to be re-thought. Thanks for the video. And the annual cost point is just crazy.
Thank you for your F1 Behind the scenes information Kym!
It is Greatly appreciated
My pleasure!
Nice watch Kym!
Enjoying the videos. Thank you.
Yuji Ide had his super license revoked by the FIA in 2006 after a four race f1 career because he kept crashing! I believe this is the only time a super license has been revoked.
Well yes if you're a rookie and you come out your first four races and crash you should be revoked. Maybe you should be more cautious if you are a rookie. Now whether someone rear-ended him and knocked him out that might be a different issue. The FIA should scrutinise each incident and make sure he was at fault.
He needs kids colouring book. Keep in lines.
Kym I like your timing meter. What interests me are what are the nationality requirements? Perhaps at some point you could delve deeper into that subject. It was a good watch very informative a lot of interesting points that I never knew existed. I am from a time when you didn't need so many regulations and requirements you just had to be a good solid driver. Cheers mate stay healthy.
Thank you Kym, I loved this content!! This is not the first points-explanation I recieve, but it is the best one, certainly.
Could you do a video explaining the teams? How many mechanics, what do each one do (short version), how many cooks, what it takes to mount each one in the paddock, how many people in total makes the caravan... I know some time ago you showed at Mercedes offices like a box full of passports and the people who organized the trips, and that was weirdly interesting and fun to know. And now you turned a long and boring points system explanation into a super fun moment.
I loved the Pancake O'ward Super license 😋
So much more than a mere f1 photographer. Bonzer video mate ! Made my arvo.
Great to hear!
People still say Bonzer?
Hello kym a comprehensive explanation which some of us didn't know on the driver's licencing useful information too for budding drivers. cheers.gowra
Glad it was helpful!
Never understood the logic of some drivers paying more for their license than others. I assume it's factored into driver contracts, particularly points bonuses? And I suppose for those drivers not resident in Monaco it'd be tax deductible expense?
5:25 even that seems to not be enough sometimes. Sebastien Loeb, who is arguably the most skilled race car driver alive, he was still denied the license.
The super license process does need to change. It's another massive financial barrier to get in which is heavily skewed to the benefit of European drivers.
If you're not in Europe, good luck getting the license.
For a sport that is viewed, competed in and prestigious all over the world, it should be easier for drivers from all over the world to get a shot.
I agree but I’m not sure the super license process is the biggest barrier to drivers outside of Europe getting into f1. There is also the fact that all of the teams are in Europe (well most of them in the uk) and there are series in Europe that have become the established feeder series to f1. It would be seen as a bigger risk to hire a driver that hasn’t gone this route because they would just be less certain of their ability.
LOL, does mommy know you are online again?
@@soisaidtogod4248 I'm bored.. So I'll take your bait...
What?
@@Drenwickification indeed. F1 is very heavily European. That should change over time hopefully.
It's always gonna be money talks, but with it being a world wide sport there are certainly a ton of drivers that are better than ones that have made it that will never have a chance.
In theory it is possible to have an entire grid full of Hamiltons, Sennas, and Schumachers. Itd never happen though because of the odds of first finding 20+ drivers with that level of skill and having those same drivers be in the right place at the right time with the financial backing.
@@vjsoeifi Yeah for that to happen you'd have to go around schools and offer kids the chance to try out karting for free to then see who is quick and sponsor them to start karting
Because at the end of the day, a very large % of kids have parents that cant even afford the £50 it would be for them to go and try to hire karts at the local track. So there could be a lot of Senna's that will never know because they could never even afford to try out hire karts let alone anything competitve which will be like 500x more expensive.
Motorsport just is expensive even at the very lowest and cheapest entry point for a lot of people, way more than any other sport, so IMO it'll always be full of rich kids no matter what.
What I would say is interesting though, is that from the last 20 years, the majority of 'great' drivers came from more humble backgrounds, such as schumacher, alonso, kimi, hamilton.
Basically since 2000, the only drivers to win championships that came from wealthy families are max and nico and maybe Jenson, but even then jenson had the advantage of having a dad that was hugely into motorsport, and of course nico and max both have f1 driver dads.
So I just find it interesting how despite 75% or more f1 drivers coming from rich background, the vast majority of titles come from humble backgrounds.
I thought you said the "adorable chairman" at 3:54. 😁
So the safety cars are on verstappens payroll?
That's also an interpretation
You missed out on Kimi Raikkonen in the list of drivers that would have missed out on a Superlicence based on the current system. He only did 16 single seater races (not even F3000/F3, just Formula Renault) before making the jump to F1. Hell, he was touch and go for a superlicence even back then! Only after he drove a prerequisite number of miles in testing did the FIA award him a superlicence.
And on his first race, he scored a point!
There are a lot of other drivers that would’ve missed out. I just chose a few for example
What about nationality? So citizens of various countries aren’t allowed to join?
Lol the parking meter prop was well used. Kym basically just parked himself there and educated us quite well! Ha! +42 points to you for that win, Kym.
Informative as always. I feel like this is one of those things not too many knew much about until Colton Herta was hurled into the mix in Silly Season. Obviously if you come through the route of F1's junior series, the points make perfect sense, but if you're coming from Indycar, they really don't--but the FIA created the system to favor their system, so is it fair to drivers in other categories---not really, but if you want control of something, you make the rules I suppose.
great video Kym, as always
Glad you enjoyed!
5:10 I'm confused - the table shows the IndyCar champion is awarded 40 points, not 10(?).
Correct its 40- plus palou does have a superlicense despite what kym mentioned at the end
Make a video on the gear you take to the track
It’s coming
Very informative. Thanks
Love the content 👌
Do any other categories have a super licence. What do WEC drivers need to get to race?
I wonder if one of the F1 stat-masters could devise a list of every currently active racing driver that passes the super license criteria. Given that the points expire, there has to be a finite number out there.
Loved the video kym
Will there be a collaboration with Pato Oward in the future? He is a funny dudee
Yes
Love the old school parking meter 🤙
I miss the grand piano in the background 😉
It will be in many other vids. Stay passionate
What are the nationality requirements?
what is the int.A licence shown in video for f2 @3:19 what does it mean
Basically it’s the highest International Race License which allows an individual to compete up to F2.
You mentioned a couple of times a nationality condition for the F1 Superlicence - can you elaborate please?
there are no countries that are explicitly banned from getting a Formula 1 Super Licence. However, there are certain criteria that drivers must meet in order to be eligible for a Super Licence, and these criteria may indirectly exclude drivers from certain countries.
For example, in order to be eligible for a Super Licence, a driver must hold a valid driving licence issued by the country in which he or she resides or by the ASN of that country. If a country does not issue driving licences or does not have an ASN recognized by the FIA, drivers from that country may not be able to meet this requirement.
@@KymIllman Thanks.
Very educative Video, how can I get my hands on a copy of your photo book Best of Formula 1 2022, just make sure to drop any Photos from Redbull team?
Wait why are there nationality requirements??
Cool parking meter :)
What is nationality requirement?
How was I not subscribed, I apologize Mr Illman
Forgiven!
Sliding fees are interesting. Seems like FIA Doesn't value Indycar as a series that is even with F2.
I think it’s more they want to protect the Formula Junior Series. They don’t want a lot of people bypassing them and just doing Indycar
What is the nationality requirement?
there are no countries that are explicitly banned from getting a Formula 1 Super Licence. Although some countries who do not issue a driver's licence may restrict people from acquiring a super licence.
You mentioned nationality a couple of times?
There should definitely be a cap on how much drivers/teams should have to pay. It's outrageous that Max/RB had to fork over all that cash for winning a championship!?!?!?! 🤯
They never think of giving back to the small circuits around the world which help produce young drivers.
All those guys who give up their weekends to marshal when the rain is going sideways at places like Cadwell park Etc.
Or subsidizing young karters training courses.
As usual they just put money into the glamour side of the business and for get the grass roots of the sport.
Don't forget the final way to get a super licence, the brown envelope! : )
Pancake o ward lol
Schwartzman finished runner-up in F2 in 2021 thereby has enough points to obtain a Super License.
That's counterintuitive. The better you are at driving the car should prove your capabilities. Thus you should pay less. However I get the reasoning. 😂
Never bring oval left turn only into a talk of best drivers.
How did Nikita mazepin have enough points
Thats m'y uniqlo shirt
Why is nationality a critiria? Someones nationality can't be a safety issue.
Not a safety issue, it's more that some countries may not provide the means to achieve the criteria of a super licence. I.e. some countries do not issue explicit drivers licenses or the means to achieve points towards their super licence
Second
you mention nationality requirements, but never explain what that actually means.
Pato O'Ward and Alex Palou should be in F1; this S.L. is a joke. Jimmie Johnson is a 7x Nascar CHAMP and he would not have been allowed in F1???? 7 years times 230 races a year . . . . Qually for Indy 500 was 230+ mph last May (no lifting off throttle and 4 corners); Cost in USA???? nothing to specifically start driving to race our in our 2 series (Nascar, Indy.) Show up, get hired, race in Nascar, may win title 7 years in a row . . . . .
How ironic, the temporary licence has the required genuflect to the alphabet mafia with its " tasteful " rainbow!
You realise this license is from the movie Superbad
Why does Indycar drivers get an FIA super license? Kids start in FIA at a young age with cart and develop skills needed to get to F3. They sign contracts to race for teams. Winners of those move up to F2 and sign contracts with teams to get those seats. Best of the best still have to wait for F1 seats to become availble. There are only 20 seats. How does 1 seat be taken away by an Indycar driver that never came up the ranks in F3 F2 to earn an F1 seat? I say lawyer up.
Because they're smarter than you! do you think guys just get into Indy cars.... no they go through the exact same shit you schmuck! They start off karting and come up through various different series to get into IndyCar do you think only F2 and F3 bring up good drivers!
Will you be at Indy this year? (:
Probably
@@KymIllman I would love to see you make it to the Road America IMSA race or the 24 hours of Daytona.
From what we’ve seen with lando you have to be about 11 years old and do a circuit of legoland…only after that you can be classed as overrated!!!!