Black Thought admitted in another interview that "What They Do" sONG was about Biggie because he thought Biggie diss him on Flava in Ya Ear remix. Then he later found out that Big was not dissing him, and he said he felt like a idiot. Why is he back tracking?
The interview i saw, he clearly said Biggie. He even said he called Puffy to see if Big was really talking about him and Puff told him no, Big was talking about the Gooch from the TV show a Different Strokes. That`s why Big said invisible bully. The gooch was a invisible bully in some episodes of Different Strokes.
I saw that same interview and know what you're talking about. Yea, he def back tracking. I'm also not sure how Talib didn't see it as a diss back then. It was obvious they were making fun of One More Chance. Especially with all the subtitles they had.
@spittingknowledgeformindel2205 no I'm asking what part of BIg rhymes did he think was about him in reference to the Gooch line how could he think that was about him
Can we also recognize that Black Thought also had a history of being in the streets but he raps about that life differently. So Black Thought has the credibility to mock rappers who are not about that life just as much as any street rapper.
Facts I hope everyone knows that. Man was in the trenches in Philly. Lost both his parents to gun violence in the streets and use to sell dope before he made it. Not even things to be glorified at all, but he is the authentic
That album was one of the best of '96👍. Somebody please respond if you feel this was a TOP 10 album of that year 🤔? LOTS of great albums from some of our favorite artists that year ('Pac, Nas, Jay-Z, Fugees). I definitely have to revisit that year and do a RERANK of sorts, cuz that was my FAVORITE YEAR IN HIP-HOP 💯.
It definitely was Biggie diss no matter how Black Thought want frame. I respect more he said I took shots at him but just being competitive and he still was my guy at end of the day.
They made it crystal clear who they were referring to in the song. I can see Big feeling a way once the video dropped, but Big was street certified… Pretend-to-be cats don't seem to know they limitation Exact replication and false representation You wanna be a man? Then stand your own To emcee requires skills; I demand some shown I let the frauds keep frontin' And roam like a cellular phone far from home Givin' crowds what they wantin' Official hip-hop consumption, the fifth thumpin' Keepin' ya party jumpin' with an original somethin' Yo, I dedicate this to the one dimensional No imagination, excuse for perpetration My man came over and said, "Yo, we thought we heard you" Joke's on you; you heard a bitin'-ass crew, but um…
B.I.G got offended by the "What They Do" video by The Roots & then Tupac got offended by the "Paparazzi" lyrics by Xzibit. I think the biggest rappers & MC's during that time got offended easily because they were at the top of their Game. They felt like they constantly had a target on their backs because of their fortune, fame, exposure & popularity. I know Tupac certainly got offended by A LOT of people including Ice Cube & Westside Connection dropping "Bow Down" while he was in jail. He even said in an interview stating, "Why you wait for when I'm in jail to make people Bow Down to you"? He thought that it was strategical but honestly I truly believe Cube, WC & Mack 10 just so happened to feel that way & it was just an unfortunate coincidence he happened to be in jail. The timing was off & I'm sure Cube didn't gaf who was or wasn't in jail because that's just what he, WC & Mack-10 felt at the time. I don't believe it was strategical at all. That's just how it went down. These Rappers & MC's just got easily offended because they didn't understand the motive or story behind the song. They were just trying to make a hit record & sell units at the time (just like Biggie & Pac) & that was just the pulse of the culture at that time. Ras Kass was on the come up too trying to solidify his stance & position in Hip Hop as well. All of these Rappers & MC's were trying to figure out their place in Hip Hop & the Industry. It was a learning curve & they just got caught up in the drama & the hype.
@@cmn225 I believe I just said that. If you had read my comment in it's entirety within context, you should have been able to deduce that. That is, unless you're lacking in reading comprehension skills? I'm hoping you just "overlooked" the fact that I actually typed that he was "in jail". I've quite LITERALLY heard the specific interview where he RANTS about Westside Connection dropping "Bow Down". Were you alive or even born in 96'?
C’mon. There was def a lot of hating going on from the “conscious” rappers during that time. De La & The Roots was dissing anyone that was successful or viewed as “gangsta”
What do you mean "easily offended"? They made fun of rap videos and One More Chance was was of them. You make it seem as if they weren't dissing BIG when it clearly was a diss. 1996 BIG was getting dissed by a bunch of rappers, Jeru, Boot Camp, The Roots, Nas just to name a few.
I wonder how BIG felt about De La? I mean in Long Island Degrees Dove (RIP) said " Stakes is high in the sky, I got questions about your life if you so ready to die." That was on the same album as Stakes Is High where he said "I'm sick of bitches shakin' asses I'm sick of talkin' 'bout blunts, sick of Versace glasses Sick of slang, sick of half-ass awards shows Sick of name-brand clothes Wonder if BIG also took that as a diss. Seems similar 🤷🏾♂️
Some people live that poppin’ bottles life as I did when I was young and some people do what we did to fit in. To me it was a diss to those who were trying to fit in.
What they do was CLASSC of course. I think BT saying it was "Satire" is light...rather dissing the industry as it was everyone (mostly) doing the same shit.
I love BT but this is the kinda pussy shit I hate. Conscious or underground rappers would diss gangsters or whatever bullshit was popping in the mainstream but soon as anyone confronted them about it they’d be like “oh nah we didn’t mean YOU” 😂
Yo niggas from my hood used to roll with naughty by nature and they always tell a story how they came to de la’s show, sat in the front row and got on stage and beat their ass for sneak dissing lol
And he's not even trying to be funny. I'm from the DMV. My cousin knows him and he came his BBQ in like 00'. B4 The Chapelle show. If he say hi, you will laugh....
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What do you mean how rap videos had become at the time? They mostly made fun of the videos that came out in 1995. Obvious diss to Da Brat's Give It 2 You and BIG's One More Chance. Might even say Mobb Deep's Survival Of The Fittest
What is everyone talking about? It wasn't a diss to gangsta rap. It was clearly a diss to player rap, which of course big was doing with one more chance. Gangsta rap never did the flashy stuff. This was very specific to what Puff was doing at the time, and anyone else who tried to pull off that corny crap. A bunch of NY rappers renting Mansions, cars, jewelry, all the pretty girls in the videos, rapping about being a player. From Puff to BIG to Pun to even Mic Geronimo (well his corny song came out in 98). The fact that they are saying gangsta rap is just extremely weird and flat out wrong. And a lie to say it wasn't a direct diss to BIG.
The way I viewed the video had nothing to do with "gangstas". It seemed like it wqs about people faking like they had big money, women, etc. but they had to give it all back at the end of the video shoot. This was back when very few rappers made rock star money.
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Black Thought admitted in another interview that "What They Do" sONG was about Biggie because he thought Biggie diss him on Flava in Ya Ear remix. Then he later found out that Big was not dissing him, and he said he felt like a idiot. Why is he back tracking?
The interview i saw, he clearly said Biggie. He even said he called Puffy to see if Big was really talking about him and Puff told him no, Big was talking about the Gooch from the TV show a Different Strokes. That`s why Big said invisible bully. The gooch was a invisible bully in some episodes of Different Strokes.
But how did Black Thought confuse that?
I saw that same interview and know what you're talking about. Yea, he def back tracking. I'm also not sure how Talib didn't see it as a diss back then. It was obvious they were making fun of One More Chance. Especially with all the subtitles they had.
@@kheo He did not confuse nothing, he was just ashamed to say it in front of a audience. The video of him saying it was about Biggie is on here.
@spittingknowledgeformindel2205 no I'm asking what part of BIg rhymes did he think was about him in reference to the Gooch line how could he think that was about him
Black Thought what a legend. 😊
Can we also recognize that Black Thought also had a history of being in the streets but he raps about that life differently. So Black Thought has the credibility to mock rappers who are not about that life just as much as any street rapper.
Best comment !
Agreed!
Facts I hope everyone knows that. Man was in the trenches in Philly. Lost both his parents to gun violence in the streets and use to sell dope before he made it. Not even things to be glorified at all, but he is the authentic
BIG threw a jab in return iykyk
Don't act like " What they do" wasn't speaking some truth.. still a smooth ass song.
One of they best songs next to silent treatment 😅
It definitely was
So much
That song was my introduction to the roots
That album was one of the best of '96👍. Somebody please respond if you feel this was a TOP 10 album of that year 🤔? LOTS of great albums from some of our favorite artists that year ('Pac, Nas, Jay-Z, Fugees). I definitely have to revisit that year and do a RERANK of sorts, cuz that was my FAVORITE YEAR IN HIP-HOP 💯.
So let me get this straight.. you parody a scene from the Biggie video and that's not a diss?? Straight lies.
Exactly. All lies.
Yep. It was definitely a diss
De La did the same thing to Pac.....and Pos even came at Treach sideways on the intro to Stakes is High smh.
It definitely was Biggie diss no matter how Black Thought want frame. I respect more he said I took shots at him but just being competitive and he still was my guy at end of the day.
C’mon now. It was definitely a diss lmao. The Roots, De La & Tribe was dissing anything that was poppin and viewed as “gangsta rap” at the time.
Fax
As they should have. As I was! Always loved that style of hip hop.
Even now.. shout out to ..
Coast CONTRA!!
Gangsta Rap Is Crap
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They were dissing! But not just BIG. It was all commercial "gangsta rappers". Everyone's back tracking now though.
They made it crystal clear who they were referring to in the song. I can see Big feeling a way once the video dropped, but Big was street certified…
Pretend-to-be cats don't seem to know they limitation
Exact replication and false representation
You wanna be a man? Then stand your own
To emcee requires skills; I demand some shown
I let the frauds keep frontin'
And roam like a cellular phone far from home
Givin' crowds what they wantin'
Official hip-hop consumption, the fifth thumpin'
Keepin' ya party jumpin' with an original somethin'
Yo, I dedicate this to the one dimensional
No imagination, excuse for perpetration
My man came over and said, "Yo, we thought we heard you"
Joke's on you; you heard a bitin'-ass crew, but um…
Can’t wait to see this whole episode
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That song was truth
Black Thought on some bullshit with this one. They knew what the fuck they were doing. Because that’s exactly how everybody else interpreted it.
yeah but why even talk about that old shit. Let it die which is what BT trying to do. It's irrelevant
B.I.G got offended by the "What They Do" video by The Roots & then Tupac got offended by the "Paparazzi" lyrics by Xzibit. I think the biggest rappers & MC's during that time got offended easily because they were at the top of their Game. They felt like they constantly had a target on their backs because of their fortune, fame, exposure & popularity. I know Tupac certainly got offended by A LOT of people including Ice Cube & Westside Connection dropping "Bow Down" while he was in jail. He even said in an interview stating, "Why you wait for when I'm in jail to make people Bow Down to you"? He thought that it was strategical but honestly I truly believe Cube, WC & Mack 10 just so happened to feel that way & it was just an unfortunate coincidence he happened to be in jail. The timing was off & I'm sure Cube didn't gaf who was or wasn't in jail because that's just what he, WC & Mack-10 felt at the time. I don't believe it was strategical at all. That's just how it went down. These Rappers & MC's just got easily offended because they didn't understand the motive or story behind the song. They were just trying to make a hit record & sell units at the time (just like Biggie & Pac) & that was just the pulse of the culture at that time. Ras Kass was on the come up too trying to solidify his stance & position in Hip Hop as well. All of these Rappers & MC's were trying to figure out their place in Hip Hop & the Industry. It was a learning curve & they just got caught up in the drama & the hype.
Bow Down (the single) dropped August '96 Pac wasn't locked up then
@@cmn225 I believe I just said that. If you had read my comment in it's entirety within context, you should have been able to deduce that. That is, unless you're lacking in reading comprehension skills? I'm hoping you just "overlooked" the fact that I actually typed that he was "in jail". I've quite LITERALLY heard the specific interview where he RANTS about Westside Connection dropping "Bow Down". Were you alive or even born in 96'?
C’mon. There was def a lot of hating going on from the “conscious” rappers during that time. De La & The Roots was dissing anyone that was successful or viewed as “gangsta”
What do you mean "easily offended"? They made fun of rap videos and One More Chance was was of them. You make it seem as if they weren't dissing BIG when it clearly was a diss. 1996 BIG was getting dissed by a bunch of rappers, Jeru, Boot Camp, The Roots, Nas just to name a few.
True..
Plus most big rappers we fans of real rap!
I wonder how BIG felt about De La? I mean in Long Island Degrees Dove (RIP) said " Stakes is high in the sky, I got questions about your life if you so ready to die." That was on the same album as Stakes Is High where he said
"I'm sick of bitches shakin' asses
I'm sick of talkin' 'bout blunts, sick of Versace glasses
Sick of slang, sick of half-ass awards shows
Sick of name-brand clothes
Wonder if BIG also took that as a diss. Seems similar 🤷🏾♂️
Some people live that poppin’ bottles life as I did when I was young and some people do what we did to fit in. To me it was a diss to those who were trying to fit in.
"Thinking" they dissed him?? They DID 🤣
Oh wow, the same was Pac felt with "who shot ya" and big couldn't understand.
What they do was CLASSC of course. I think BT saying it was "Satire" is light...rather dissing the industry as it was everyone (mostly) doing the same shit.
BT took the political answer which is the right answer now in 2023. Just dead all that shit from back in the day
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They were definitely dissing lmaooo
"You can throw a rock at a pack of dogs. The one that hollers is the one it hit."
The conscious rappers were definitely hating on anybody that was poppin during the 93-96 period
That's not hate it was just WAY too much negativity killing and shyt
I love BT but this is the kinda pussy shit I hate. Conscious or underground rappers would diss gangsters or whatever bullshit was popping in the mainstream but soon as anyone confronted them about it they’d be like “oh nah we didn’t mean YOU” 😂
Yo niggas from my hood used to roll with naughty by nature and they always tell a story how they came to de la’s show, sat in the front row and got on stage and beat their ass for sneak dissing lol
It was parody bruh
Still a diss. Expect a retort and you can’t pick your consequences
Thank you lol. They were definitely dissing
Fax. Them and De La was definitely dissing the “gangsta rap” scene
Dave Chappelle is hands down the funniest dude I ever met
And he's not even trying to be funny. I'm from the DMV. My cousin knows him and he came his BBQ in like 00'. B4 The Chapelle show. If he say hi, you will laugh....
Biggie always thought somebody was dissin Fat Sloppy a's. Sensitive Big Boy. smh
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R.I.P . BIGGIE THE GOAT OF LYRICAL RAPPER & TUPAC THE GREATEST RAPPER EVER...
I felt that way and I don't rap
Even though I’m watching this video and not live, it still feels like being in the presence of greatness.
Biggie thought y'all dissed him? Or N.O.R.E.? I never got that impression at all
Say names
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Midnight Murders
De la Buhloone Mindstate
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The Pharcyde first album
Brand Nubian first album
Hell on Earth
Illmatic
Nah not top five albums but 9-14 range I can see it
@@christophergriffin759his or yours?
classic for sure
Dope story!
right? And seldom told!
The video wasn't a diss, they were humorously showing how derivative rap videos had become at the time
So a diss.. lol
Exactly!!
Cats think anything critical or ain't praise is a diss. Hater players as Talib calls them.
@@bkz2969 - Cuz it was a diss dummy.
What do you mean how rap videos had become at the time? They mostly made fun of the videos that came out in 1995. Obvious diss to Da Brat's Give It 2 You and BIG's One More Chance. Might even say Mobb Deep's Survival Of The Fittest
What is everyone talking about? It wasn't a diss to gangsta rap. It was clearly a diss to player rap, which of course big was doing with one more chance. Gangsta rap never did the flashy stuff. This was very specific to what Puff was doing at the time, and anyone else who tried to pull off that corny crap. A bunch of NY rappers renting Mansions, cars, jewelry, all the pretty girls in the videos, rapping about being a player. From Puff to BIG to Pun to even Mic Geronimo (well his corny song came out in 98). The fact that they are saying gangsta rap is just extremely weird and flat out wrong. And a lie to say it wasn't a direct diss to BIG.
🤔YEAH CUZ I REMEMBER THAT WE WAS LAUGHING 😆 FROM THE THINGS THAT THEY WAS EXPLAINING IN THE VIDEO THAT WAS FAKE THAT NEVER REALLY HAPPENED
The way I viewed the video had nothing to do with "gangstas". It seemed like it wqs about people faking like they had big money, women, etc. but they had to give it all back at the end of the video shoot.
This was back when very few rappers made rock star money.
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Sorry, but they did not introduce Bahamadia on that album. Total Wreck came out in 94..
Funk Vibe came out a year before that 🤷♂️
@@amdi8966 your point?
@@NuOriginalrevisionist history is rampant now, so that’s the point.
Don’t read much do you??
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i feel its better in the studio.
It was a hell of a live experience for the fans though!
It wasn't dissing gangsta rap it was making fun of shiny suit rap
Shiny suit marketing
So as diss
It was a diss and shiny suit wasn't even out yet. Shiny suit didn't start until 97. They were dissing videos from 1995, the year prior.
Common - i used to love H.E.R. also a dope ass diss song to gangsta/commercial rap