I was suppose to leave classroom when a birthday was celebrated at school I left once my very kind and understanding teacher took me aside and ask how I felt I told her I was sad and felt left out she said if you believe in Jesus just know he would never want a child to feel that way she didn't encourage me to back and celebrate but she planted a seed for Jesus fast forward to present day I celebrate all birthdays because it is a celebration of life given So thank you much for this one
Yes I can just imagine your broken little heart. My five year old son went through that once and cried in a school hallway during a Xmas cupcake party. I picked him up, he was so upset, we bought a little tree, and we celebrated with cupcakes. I was disfellowshipped and marked “Apostate”. All these years later, I’d do it again if I had to. My children and I are very close now and have since, celebrated Xmases and Birthdays and we love life. ❤
Because dogs are NOT ALWAYS shown in negative light. The Lore of Birthdays (New York, 1952) by Ralph and Adelin Linton “Originally the idea [of birthday greetings and wishes for happiness] was rooted in magic. The working of spells for good and evil is the chief usage of witchcraft. One is especially susceptible to such spells on his birthday, as one’s personal spirits are about at that time. Birthday greetings have power for good or ill because one is closer to the spirit world on this day. Good wishes bring good fortune, but the reverse is also true, so one should avoid enemies on one’s birthday and be surrounded only by well-wishers. ‘Happy birthday’ and ‘Many happy returns of the day’ are the traditional greetings” The giving of birthday gifts is a custom associated with the offering of sacrifices to pagan gods on their birthdays. Certainly the custom was linked with the same superstitions that formed the background for birthday greetings. “The exchange of presents… is associated with the importance of ingratiating good and evil fairies… on their or our birthdays” The traditional birthday cake and candles also have their origin in ancient pagan idol worship. The ancients believed that the fire of candles had magical properties. They offered prayers and made wishes to be carried to the gods on the flames of the candles. Thus we still have the widely practiced birthday custom of making a wish, then blowing out the candles. The Greeks celebrated the birthday of their moon goddess, Artemis, with cakes adorned with lighted candles... The Greeks believed that everyone had a protective spirit or daemon who attended his birth and watched over him in life. This spirit had a mystic relation with the god on whose birthday the individual was born. The Romans also subscribed to this idea. . . . This notion was carried down in human belief and is reflected in the guardian angel, the fairy godmother and the patron saint. . . . The custom of lighted candles on the cakes started with the Greeks. . . . Honey cakes round as the moon and lit with tapers were placed on the temple altars of [Artemis]. . . . Birthday candles, in folk belief, are endowed with special magic for granting wishes. . . . Lighted tapers and sacrificial fires have had a special mystic significance ever since man first set up altars to his gods. The birthday candles are thus an honor and tribute to the birthday child and bring good fortune...”
@@Mr.DC3.1914 sorry dear PIMI, but I'm confused; were you supposed to show me evidence of dogs being used in a positive way??? The entire article you copy/pasted doesn't even talk about dogs. Another question for you, aren't JWs not supposed to engage in this type of debates on the internet? I'm looking at your comment history and if an Elder sees it you'll get in trouble. Warm regards and Christian love.
Dogs are used in a negative light in the Bible as symbology, they are considered lowly. Male prostitutes were called dogs. The word dog is associated with a statement of degradation but that doesn’t mean dogs are not good, for God Himself looked at His creations and said it was good.
Dogs were used as symbology because of their low status. Male prostitutes were called dogs. But if I remember correctly. God called all His creations good. The woman asked Jesus to heal her daughter, she was not an Israelite. She said even the dogs eat the scraps under their masters table. This indicates that dogs were kept in the homes as pets. There is always so much more we can glean from scripture if we just open our minds and look for it.
Yes, was never allowed to celebrate, eat birthday cake/cupcakes, say happy birthday to someone, had to sit outside at school during parties, no work parties, etc. The list can go on and on. No scriptural basis and established by the so called insights of men to control and alienate you from the outside. What a powerful cult they are and so happy to be out. I got my son his first birthday present last month and it is so special to him. Nothing wrong with celebrating your child’s life and the day God gave him to you as a blessing!
So true, that God give us our children as a blessing AND to celebrate. Even the JW's should acknowledge that now, since their new convention song is really all about the joy of Jesus' birthday,
I think the reason for birthdays is because it would make it easier to co-mingle with “worldly” people. Class birthdays, office birthdays, etc. Weddings are exclusive to who’s invited. Same with baby showers. It’s not something where everyone around you is doing it and you’d automatically be included. So it seems it’s really just to isolate Witnesses from what everyone else is doing.
@@adamantiumbullet9215 The Lore of Birthdays (New York, 1952) by Ralph and Adelin Linton “Originally the idea [of birthday greetings and wishes for happiness] was rooted in magic. The working of spells for good and evil is the chief usage of witchcraft. One is especially susceptible to such spells on his birthday, as one’s personal spirits are about at that time. Birthday greetings have power for good or ill because one is closer to the spirit world on this day. Good wishes bring good fortune, but the reverse is also true, so one should avoid enemies on one’s birthday and be surrounded only by well-wishers. ‘Happy birthday’ and ‘Many happy returns of the day’ are the traditional greetings” The giving of birthday gifts is a custom associated with the offering of sacrifices to pagan gods on their birthdays. Certainly the custom was linked with the same superstitions that formed the background for birthday greetings. “The exchange of presents… is associated with the importance of ingratiating good and evil fairies… on their or our birthdays” The traditional birthday cake and candles also have their origin in ancient pagan idol worship. The ancients believed that the fire of candles had magical properties. They offered prayers and made wishes to be carried to the gods on the flames of the candles. Thus we still have the widely practiced birthday custom of making a wish, then blowing out the candles. The Greeks celebrated the birthday of their moon goddess, Artemis, with cakes adorned with lighted candles... The Greeks believed that everyone had a protective spirit or daemon who attended his birth and watched over him in life. This spirit had a mystic relation with the god on whose birthday the individual was born. The Romans also subscribed to this idea. . . . This notion was carried down in human belief and is reflected in the guardian angel, the fairy godmother and the patron saint. . . . The custom of lighted candles on the cakes started with the Greeks. . . . Honey cakes round as the moon and lit with tapers were placed on the temple altars of [Artemis]. . . . Birthday candles, in folk belief, are endowed with special magic for granting wishes. . . . Lighted tapers and sacrificial fires have had a special mystic significance ever since man first set up altars to his gods. The birthday candles are thus an honor and tribute to the birthday child and bring good fortune...”
Jesus walked among the sinners. He had to to reach them with His message. What is being missed is that we must walk among them too in order to spread His Gospel. Not being part of this world is more spiritual than physical. It is in what we know and believe and as a result, our actions.
@@mrm8850 * you're. Learn what words mean. Baptism was a religious rite in Egypt long before Christianity adopted the practice. According to your logic, that would make ALL Christians "Egyptian", therefore pagan. Birthdays = pagan. Baptism = pagan. Christians = pagan. Look in the mirror before you criticize others.
One question I would love to ask the Jehovah's Witnesses is this: How many young people have missed out on the fun of birthday parties as children because of that unscriptural teaching about birthdays being "pagan" and this not to be celebrated? As a reason for not allowing children to celebrate their birthdays, that story of Herod having John the Baptist beheaded on Herod's birthday does not jibe with me. That is merely a hollow excuse for banning birthdays for Jehovah's Witnesses, and it tends to take the joy out of a child's birthday. Hence, I call that excuse a "kill-joy excuse". Thank you for exposing yet another false teaching of the Watchtower Society.
I never missed not having birthday parties as a JW kid, albeit I did have them before becoming one. I still do not celebrate them as an adult and I am not a JW now. Just because one is a former JW does not mean he missed out on things nor cannot keep practices from Watchtower he agrees with or likes.
I was raised a Scots Calvinist. We never celebrated birthdays, Christmas or Easter. All secular holidays wete deemed strange fire, and sinful. I never missed any holidays or celebrations. In fact, Christmas was better not beung celebrated. Mum didnt have to cook huge dinners and we had better TV. I am no longer religious, but still refuse to celebrate secular junk and am far happier that way.
@@JohnSmith-le5oeI grew up JW and didn't miss any of that either. When I quit the JWs my Christmas celebration was exchanging gifts with friends (which I was really good at because I only had a few people to buy for) and we watched porn. When I married a practicing witch she and her family made a huge deal out of holidays and I had no idea what to do, what the songs were, or anything. Learned a lot. Humans are weird.
Celebrating one's birthday is one of the most important things a person can do it allows you to be thankful for the gift of one more year and also let you know who is a part of your life celebrating with you ....But since cult members have no real identity apart from the group it's not allowed. Pretty simple to me.
The Lore of Birthdays (New York, 1952) by Ralph and Adelin Linton “Originally the idea [of birthday greetings and wishes for happiness] was rooted in magic. The working of spells for good and evil is the chief usage of witchcraft. One is especially susceptible to such spells on his birthday, as one’s personal spirits are about at that time. Birthday greetings have power for good or ill because one is closer to the spirit world on this day. Good wishes bring good fortune, but the reverse is also true, so one should avoid enemies on one’s birthday and be surrounded only by well-wishers. ‘Happy birthday’ and ‘Many happy returns of the day’ are the traditional greetings” The giving of birthday gifts is a custom associated with the offering of sacrifices to pagan gods on their birthdays. Certainly the custom was linked with the same superstitions that formed the background for birthday greetings. “The exchange of presents… is associated with the importance of ingratiating good and evil fairies… on their or our birthdays” The traditional birthday cake and candles also have their origin in ancient pagan idol worship. The ancients believed that the fire of candles had magical properties. They offered prayers and made wishes to be carried to the gods on the flames of the candles. Thus we still have the widely practiced birthday custom of making a wish, then blowing out the candles. The Greeks celebrated the birthday of their moon goddess, Artemis, with cakes adorned with lighted candles... The Greeks believed that everyone had a protective spirit or daemon who attended his birth and watched over him in life. This spirit had a mystic relation with the god on whose birthday the individual was born. The Romans also subscribed to this idea. . . . This notion was carried down in human belief and is reflected in the guardian angel, the fairy godmother and the patron saint. . . . The custom of lighted candles on the cakes started with the Greeks. . . . Honey cakes round as the moon and lit with tapers were placed on the temple altars of [Artemis]. . . . Birthday candles, in folk belief, are endowed with special magic for granting wishes. . . . Lighted tapers and sacrificial fires have had a special mystic significance ever since man first set up altars to his gods. The birthday candles are thus an honor and tribute to the birthday child and bring good fortune...”
The Lore of Birthdays (New York, 1952) by Ralph and Adelin Linton “Originally the idea [of birthday greetings and wishes for happiness] was rooted in magic. The working of spells for good and evil is the chief usage of witchcraft. One is especially susceptible to such spells on his birthday, as one’s personal spirits are about at that time. Birthday greetings have power for good or ill because one is closer to the spirit world on this day. Good wishes bring good fortune, but the reverse is also true, so one should avoid enemies on one’s birthday and be surrounded only by well-wishers. ‘Happy birthday’ and ‘Many happy returns of the day’ are the traditional greetings” The giving of birthday gifts is a custom associated with the offering of sacrifices to pagan gods on their birthdays. Certainly the custom was linked with the same superstitions that formed the background for birthday greetings. “The exchange of presents… is associated with the importance of ingratiating good and evil fairies… on their or our birthdays” The traditional birthday cake and candles also have their origin in ancient pagan idol worship. The ancients believed that the fire of candles had magical properties. They offered prayers and made wishes to be carried to the gods on the flames of the candles. Thus we still have the widely practiced birthday custom of making a wish, then blowing out the candles. The Greeks celebrated the birthday of their moon goddess, Artemis, with cakes adorned with lighted candles... The Greeks believed that everyone had a protective spirit or daemon who attended his birth and watched over him in life. This spirit had a mystic relation with the god on whose birthday the individual was born. The Romans also subscribed to this idea. . . . This notion was carried down in human belief and is reflected in the guardian angel, the fairy godmother and the patron saint. . . . The custom of lighted candles on the cakes started with the Greeks. . . . Honey cakes round as the moon and lit with tapers were placed on the temple altars of [Artemis]. . . . Birthday candles, in folk belief, are endowed with special magic for granting wishes. . . . Lighted tapers and sacrificial fires have had a special mystic significance ever since man first set up altars to his gods. The birthday candles are thus an honor and tribute to the birthday child and bring good fortune...”
I remember hearing...we give all year round. Not just one day. The hole idea isn't because God hates birthdays it's because watchtower hates anything taking your time or money away from them. Everyone and everything outside the org. Is bad association...even your Family. Without your birth there is no life then born again to eternal life. So what's the problem? Giving gifts is about the giver not the receiver...God gives gifts in men by Holy Spirit. 🙏
A “pagan” practice just about every married JW’s couple has partaken in is the exchange of wedding rings/bands. -That is modern day “hand fasting”, a celtic & pagan practice that use to involve cutting the hands of the two to be wed, the hands would be fastened/tied together, mixing the newly weds blood together. - using the Tract-Society logic/doctrine: Exchanging rings is a form of modern pagan blood-oath ceremony for marriage.
Don't forget the bride and groom cutting the wedding cake and "sharing" it, in communion with each other and their guests. The GB boyz who weren't gay had to allow that or they weren't getting any that night!
I told my JW mother in law bless you when she sneezed and she said they don’t do that because it’s a superstition, I said it’s just associated with being polite, she said you can’t ignore the origin. Later she yawned and covered her mouth, I told her that’s a superstition people thought a bad spirit or demon could enter yoor mouth and even googled it to prove it, she said she only does it because it looks impolite to have your mouth wide open. Do these people freaking hear themselves??! They either purposely pretend to be that clueless and dumb and don’t think or they actually are that dumb and don’t think
@@michellebernal5668 For many years in the Middle Ages, people believed that when you sneezed, your spirit left your body for a second. So, the thought went, to say "bless you" could bring you back to life and also keep evil spirits from entering you in the instant or two that you were believed to have been gone.1 Timothy 4:7
As a little kid growing up as JW in the '70's, - do you know How many b-bay parties I had to stand outside of the classroom and wait 'til all the parents and kids were done...every one of them, sad for a cult child.
Among many things, as a child growing up in the cult the prohibition on birthdays never made scriptural sense. Took 40+ years though to see through all the BS I questioned growing up. Looking back it boggles my mind that i just kept accepting the "just trust in Jehovah ( Governing Body)" answer, to any questions about their teachings that didn't have scriptural backing
Actually the Jehovah's Witnesses cult cite the birthday of Herod (who had John the Baptist arrested and put in a prison cell) as a reason against celebrating birthdays. As such, that doesn't jibe with me.
The Lore of Birthdays (New York, 1952) by Ralph and Adelin Linton “Originally the idea [of birthday greetings and wishes for happiness] was rooted in magic. The working of spells for good and evil is the chief usage of witchcraft. One is especially susceptible to such spells on his birthday, as one’s personal spirits are about at that time. Birthday greetings have power for good or ill because one is closer to the spirit world on this day. Good wishes bring good fortune, but the reverse is also true, so one should avoid enemies on one’s birthday and be surrounded only by well-wishers. ‘Happy birthday’ and ‘Many happy returns of the day’ are the traditional greetings” The giving of birthday gifts is a custom associated with the offering of sacrifices to pagan gods on their birthdays. Certainly the custom was linked with the same superstitions that formed the background for birthday greetings. “The exchange of presents… is associated with the importance of ingratiating good and evil fairies… on their or our birthdays” The traditional birthday cake and candles also have their origin in ancient pagan idol worship. The ancients believed that the fire of candles had magical properties. They offered prayers and made wishes to be carried to the gods on the flames of the candles. Thus we still have the widely practiced birthday custom of making a wish, then blowing out the candles. The Greeks celebrated the birthday of their moon goddess, Artemis, with cakes adorned with lighted candles... The Greeks believed that everyone had a protective spirit or daemon who attended his birth and watched over him in life. This spirit had a mystic relation with the god on whose birthday the individual was born. The Romans also subscribed to this idea. . . . This notion was carried down in human belief and is reflected in the guardian angel, the fairy godmother and the patron saint. . . . The custom of lighted candles on the cakes started with the Greeks. . . . Honey cakes round as the moon and lit with tapers were placed on the temple altars of [Artemis]. . . . Birthday candles, in folk belief, are endowed with special magic for granting wishes. . . . Lighted tapers and sacrificial fires have had a special mystic significance ever since man first set up altars to his gods. The birthday candles are thus an honor and tribute to the birthday child and bring good fortune...”
im PIMO and if they actually allowed hoidays and didnt tell us all this " you can't celebrate these because they have pagan origins" bs id be a happy member.sorta.that and having to tell all the kids at school that "oh we get presents all the time" and then go home and Never get a single present all year long, well it really sucks.but hey, it's okay right?, nothing like some good ol' mental trauma to start your life with. To all the pimo's and exjw's i hope we all get through these hard times and come out victorious.
The Lore of Birthdays (New York, 1952) by Ralph and Adelin Linton “Originally the idea [of birthday greetings and wishes for happiness] was rooted in magic. The working of spells for good and evil is the chief usage of witchcraft. One is especially susceptible to such spells on his birthday, as one’s personal spirits are about at that time. Birthday greetings have power for good or ill because one is closer to the spirit world on this day. Good wishes bring good fortune, but the reverse is also true, so one should avoid enemies on one’s birthday and be surrounded only by well-wishers. ‘Happy birthday’ and ‘Many happy returns of the day’ are the traditional greetings” The giving of birthday gifts is a custom associated with the offering of sacrifices to pagan gods on their birthdays. Certainly the custom was linked with the same superstitions that formed the background for birthday greetings. “The exchange of presents… is associated with the importance of ingratiating good and evil fairies… on their or our birthdays” The traditional birthday cake and candles also have their origin in ancient pagan idol worship. The ancients believed that the fire of candles had magical properties. They offered prayers and made wishes to be carried to the gods on the flames of the candles. Thus we still have the widely practiced birthday custom of making a wish, then blowing out the candles. The Greeks celebrated the birthday of their moon goddess, Artemis, with cakes adorned with lighted candles... The Greeks believed that everyone had a protective spirit or daemon who attended his birth and watched over him in life. This spirit had a mystic relation with the god on whose birthday the individual was born. The Romans also subscribed to this idea. . . . This notion was carried down in human belief and is reflected in the guardian angel, the fairy godmother and the patron saint. . . . The custom of lighted candles on the cakes started with the Greeks. . . . Honey cakes round as the moon and lit with tapers were placed on the temple altars of [Artemis]. . . . Birthday candles, in folk belief, are endowed with special magic for granting wishes. . . . Lighted tapers and sacrificial fires have had a special mystic significance ever since man first set up altars to his gods. The birthday candles are thus an honor and tribute to the birthday child and bring good fortune...”
The World Book - Childcraft International says regarding “Holidays and Birthdays,” “For thousands of years people all over the world have thought of a birthday as a very special day. Long ago, people believed that on a birthday a person could be helped by good spirits, or hurt by evil spirits. So, when a person had a birthday, friends and relatives gathered to protect him or her. And that’s how birthday parties began.” “The idea of putting candles on birthday cakes goes back to ancient Greece. The Greeks worshipped many gods and goddesses. Among them was one called Artemis. “Artemis was the goddess of the moon. The Greeks celebrated her birthday once each month by bringing special cakes to her temple. The cakes were round like a full moon. And, because the moon glows with light, the cakes were decorated with lighted candles.”
Well if you're married you have Pagan wedding rings on if you're a woman or your bride was dressed in white with a veil that was Pagan and there's a lot of other things too that you do is Pagan once something was Pagan 5,000 years ago is still Pagan today no matter how you look at it God says it's Pagan it is pagan governing body are not Jehovah Jehovah says it's pagan it doesn't matter what the governing body says you are a pagan person yourself and you will be destroyed
The World Book - Childcraft International says regarding “Holidays and Birthdays,” “For thousands of years people all over the world have thought of a birthday as a very special day. Long ago, people believed that on a birthday a person could be helped by good spirits, or hurt by evil spirits. So, when a person had a birthday, friends and relatives gathered to protect him or her. And that’s how birthday parties began.” “The idea of putting candles on birthday cakes goes back to ancient Greece. The Greeks worshipped many gods and goddesses. Among them was one called Artemis. “Artemis was the goddess of the moon. The Greeks celebrated her birthday once each month by bringing special cakes to her temple. The cakes were round like a full moon. And, because the moon glows with light, the cakes were decorated with lighted candles.”
@@jerryjohanan1940 : People use spoons and forks and chopsticks. That is a custom from pagans. Namely, non Israelites. There are customs that do not violate God's principles. There are those which do. Birthdays mentioned in the Bible are those of pagans. The fact that in the Bible record no worshiper of God ever celebrated a birthday shows that something is wrong about birthdays. Putting someone on a pedestal for a day and offerings him/her gifts. What does it sound?
As a former JW, this is what i always saw as hypocritical, as you can't celebrate a birthday as it's Pagan, yet every JW will get married and have a wedding cerimony and wear wedding rings which are pagan that stems from Egypt that worsipped false Gods according to Jehovah, so how is this pagan practice ok to partake in but not pagan birthdays, JW's will celebrate their wedding anniversary every year, what is the difference between that yearly custom and a birthday, they are both focused on you and not jehovah, same with Piniata's they used to be classed as pagan now the WT says you can use them as people no longer associate them with paganism, they are full of hypocrisy.
The World Book - Childcraft International says regarding “Holidays and Birthdays,” “For thousands of years people all over the world have thought of a birthday as a very special day. Long ago, people believed that on a birthday a person could be helped by good spirits, or hurt by evil spirits. So, when a person had a birthday, friends and relatives gathered to protect him or her. And that’s how birthday parties began.” “The idea of putting candles on birthday cakes goes back to ancient Greece. The Greeks worshipped many gods and goddesses. Among them was one called Artemis. “Artemis was the goddess of the moon. The Greeks celebrated her birthday once each month by bringing special cakes to her temple. The cakes were round like a full moon. And, because the moon glows with light, the cakes were decorated with lighted candles.”
The Lore of Birthdays (New York, 1952) by Ralph and Adelin Linton “Originally the idea [of birthday greetings and wishes for happiness] was rooted in magic. The working of spells for good and evil is the chief usage of witchcraft. One is especially susceptible to such spells on his birthday, as one’s personal spirits are about at that time. Birthday greetings have power for good or ill because one is closer to the spirit world on this day. Good wishes bring good fortune, but the reverse is also true, so one should avoid enemies on one’s birthday and be surrounded only by well-wishers. ‘Happy birthday’ and ‘Many happy returns of the day’ are the traditional greetings” The giving of birthday gifts is a custom associated with the offering of sacrifices to pagan gods on their birthdays. Certainly the custom was linked with the same superstitions that formed the background for birthday greetings. “The exchange of presents… is associated with the importance of ingratiating good and evil fairies… on their or our birthdays” The traditional birthday cake and candles also have their origin in ancient pagan idol worship. The ancients believed that the fire of candles had magical properties. They offered prayers and made wishes to be carried to the gods on the flames of the candles. Thus we still have the widely practiced birthday custom of making a wish, then blowing out the candles. The Greeks celebrated the birthday of their moon goddess, Artemis, with cakes adorned with lighted candles... The Greeks believed that everyone had a protective spirit or daemon who attended his birth and watched over him in life. This spirit had a mystic relation with the god on whose birthday the individual was born. The Romans also subscribed to this idea. . . . This notion was carried down in human belief and is reflected in the guardian angel, the fairy godmother and the patron saint. . . . The custom of lighted candles on the cakes started with the Greeks. . . . Honey cakes round as the moon and lit with tapers were placed on the temple altars of [Artemis]. . . . Birthday candles, in folk belief, are endowed with special magic for granting wishes. . . . Lighted tapers and sacrificial fires have had a special mystic significance ever since man first set up altars to his gods. The birthday candles are thus an honor and tribute to the birthday child and bring good fortune...”
@@Mr.DC3.1914 • Daro Weilburg, I have proved to you that the core doctrine of the Watchtower Society, namely that the parousia began in 1914, is based on a shameless lie. As is well known, the Bible Students movement under its founder Russel spread the news worldwide, that the Parousia Christi had run its course in 1874. Are you not aware that you are defending an organization against which all the apostles have expressly warned us?
@@Mr.DC3.1914 That is completly irrelevant, JWs preach "get out of babylon the great" nowhere does the bible say you can engage in pagan practices as long as they are viewed in a good light, fact is Wedding Rings, wedding cerimonies and anniversaries are all worldy pagan practices that JWs will engage in it's what suits them, not what the bible actually teaches, same with passing laws that the bible doesn't like no blood transfusions even though Paul was being asked about food, masturbation leads to homosexuality where does it say that in the bible, can't smoke yet can drink alcohol even though they are both damaging and mind altering, yeah this is hypocrisy, they teach what is convinient for them at the time, just like the flip flop of beards being ok with god then banned by god now they are ok with god again, yet JWs also teach God doesn't change his mind really wha sthe beard issue then if not that.
The comments between reverenlee and commenters was so entertaining! I hate to see it end! God, I had a good time! This all belongs on Etta May’s Comedy! Her skit with a JW knocking at her door. Oh man! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
My parents loved being JWs. It saved them money. We were a big family so not having birthdays or Christmas was a money saving venture. We never got gifts out of the blue or any toys or presents. Oh, I lie. I got a bible once. We would cry at the window at Christmas time as all our mates brought their presents to the park. We would hold back the tears when we turned down invites to parties. The only 'celebration' was Passover. We got to listen to someone droning on and got to pass stale crackers and wine around. The whole religion is about being as miserable as possible.
The Lore of Birthdays (New York, 1952) by Ralph and Adelin Linton “Originally the idea [of birthday greetings and wishes for happiness] was rooted in magic. The working of spells for good and evil is the chief usage of witchcraft. One is especially susceptible to such spells on his birthday, as one’s personal spirits are about at that time. Birthday greetings have power for good or ill because one is closer to the spirit world on this day. Good wishes bring good fortune, but the reverse is also true, so one should avoid enemies on one’s birthday and be surrounded only by well-wishers. ‘Happy birthday’ and ‘Many happy returns of the day’ are the traditional greetings” The giving of birthday gifts is a custom associated with the offering of sacrifices to pagan gods on their birthdays. Certainly the custom was linked with the same superstitions that formed the background for birthday greetings. “The exchange of presents… is associated with the importance of ingratiating good and evil fairies… on their or our birthdays” The traditional birthday cake and candles also have their origin in ancient pagan idol worship. The ancients believed that the fire of candles had magical properties. They offered prayers and made wishes to be carried to the gods on the flames of the candles. Thus we still have the widely practiced birthday custom of making a wish, then blowing out the candles. The Greeks celebrated the birthday of their moon goddess, Artemis, with cakes adorned with lighted candles... The Greeks believed that everyone had a protective spirit or daemon who attended his birth and watched over him in life. This spirit had a mystic relation with the god on whose birthday the individual was born. The Romans also subscribed to this idea. . . . This notion was carried down in human belief and is reflected in the guardian angel, the fairy godmother and the patron saint. . . . The custom of lighted candles on the cakes started with the Greeks. . . . Honey cakes round as the moon and lit with tapers were placed on the temple altars of [Artemis]. . . . Birthday candles, in folk belief, are endowed with special magic for granting wishes. . . . Lighted tapers and sacrificial fires have had a special mystic significance ever since man first set up altars to his gods. The birthday candles are thus an honor and tribute to the birthday child and bring good fortune...”
Gday mate,I’m very sorry to hear about your upbringing. I come from a family of 10 and even though we were baptists and celebrated Christmas and Birthdays, we had no money for presents. It was so embarrassing when other kids asked what you got for Christmas etc,you learnt how to evade all questions re presents. Being poor sucks. Thanks for sharing. BTW I think the reason JWs stopped birthdays, was because they had to stop DC3 (that internet troll )from playing with other children. He was even more of a nuisance as a child than now. Hard to believe but true.
@@RowanTasmanian Thanks. Not celebrating birthdays makes families drift apart. At least once a year you get to think about someone and maybe call them on the phone. With no birthdays, decades go by with no contact. Our family's annual 'holiday' was two weeks spent at the convention. The same speeches drummed into you twice. My parents were not poor. They bought brand new cars, expensive photography and recording equipment to record assemblies. Then we got the privilege of listening to the playback as we drove to and from the 3 weekly meetings. Music was banned.
@@RowanTasmanian McClintock and Strong Biblical Cyclopedia Birthday Birthday (יוֹם הֻלֶּדֶת, Ge 40:20; τὰ γενέσια, Mt 14:6; Mr 6:21). The observance of birthdays may be traced to a very ancient date; and the birthday of the first-born son seems in particular to have been celebrated with a degree of festivity proportioned to the joy which the event of his actual birth occasioned (Job 1:4,13,18). The birthdays of the Egyptian kings were celebrated with great pomp as early as the time of Joseph (Ge 40:20). These days were in Egypt looked upon as holy; no business was done upon them, and all parties indulged in festivities suitable to the occasion. Every Egyptian attached much importance to the day, and even to the hour of his birth; and it is probable that, as in Persia (Herodot. i, 133; Xenoph. Cyrop. i, 3, 9), each individual kept his birthday with great rejoicinrs, welcoming his friends with all the amusements of society, and a more than usual profusion of delicacies of the table (Wilkinson, v, 290). In the Bible there is no instance of birthday celebrations among the Jews themselves (but see Jer 20:15). The example of Herod the tetrarch (Mt 14:6), the celebration of whose birthday cost John the Baptist his life, can scarcely be regarded as such, the family to which he belonged being notorious for its adoption of heathen customs. In fact, the later Jews at least regarded birthday celebrations as parts of idolatrous worship (Lightfoot, Hor. Hebr. ad Matthew 14:6), and this probably on account of the idolatrous rites with which they were observed in honor of those who were retarded as the patron gods of the day on which the party was born.
Reason #4 is just wrong. They completely forget that Job's children, who apparently believed in God, celebrated their birthdays and had big parties (Job 1:4-5). Job didn't tell them they shouldn't celebrate their birthdays, and God didn't punish them for celebrating their birthdays. Yes, they died at one of those grand feasts, but that was Satan as part of his testing Job. And I still don't understand how they ignore Romans 14:1-6. Paul basically says that the practice of observing holidays or not, including birthdays, if they are used to honor God, is not a "salvation issue," and we should not judge each other on our decisions to celebrate holidays, including birthdays, or not.
I grew up jw. I had 3 siblings. Whenever it was one of our birthdays at the dinner table he'd lead everyone with a "HAPPY BIRTHDATE" to get around the normal happy birthday lol. Each jw Grandma would also send a card with a tenner inside. Of course none of us got actual parties or anything but we skirted the rules.
The Lore of Birthdays (New York, 1952) by Ralph and Adelin Linton “Originally the idea [of birthday greetings and wishes for happiness] was rooted in magic. The working of spells for good and evil is the chief usage of witchcraft. One is especially susceptible to such spells on his birthday, as one’s personal spirits are about at that time. Birthday greetings have power for good or ill because one is closer to the spirit world on this day. Good wishes bring good fortune, but the reverse is also true, so one should avoid enemies on one’s birthday and be surrounded only by well-wishers. ‘Happy birthday’ and ‘Many happy returns of the day’ are the traditional greetings” The giving of birthday gifts is a custom associated with the offering of sacrifices to pagan gods on their birthdays. Certainly the custom was linked with the same superstitions that formed the background for birthday greetings. “The exchange of presents… is associated with the importance of ingratiating good and evil fairies… on their or our birthdays” The traditional birthday cake and candles also have their origin in ancient pagan idol worship. The ancients believed that the fire of candles had magical properties. They offered prayers and made wishes to be carried to the gods on the flames of the candles. Thus we still have the widely practiced birthday custom of making a wish, then blowing out the candles. The Greeks celebrated the birthday of their moon goddess, Artemis, with cakes adorned with lighted candles... The Greeks believed that everyone had a protective spirit or daemon who attended his birth and watched over him in life. This spirit had a mystic relation with the god on whose birthday the individual was born. The Romans also subscribed to this idea. . . . This notion was carried down in human belief and is reflected in the guardian angel, the fairy godmother and the patron saint. . . . The custom of lighted candles on the cakes started with the Greeks. . . . Honey cakes round as the moon and lit with tapers were placed on the temple altars of [Artemis]. . . . Birthday candles, in folk belief, are endowed with special magic for granting wishes. . . . Lighted tapers and sacrificial fires have had a special mystic significance ever since man first set up altars to his gods. The birthday candles are thus an honor and tribute to the birthday child and bring good fortune...”
@@cygnustsp The World Book - Childcraft International says regarding “Holidays and Birthdays,” “For thousands of years people all over the world have thought of a birthday as a very special day. Long ago, people believed that on a birthday a person could be helped by good spirits, or hurt by evil spirits. So, when a person had a birthday, friends and relatives gathered to protect him or her. And that’s how birthday parties began.” “The idea of putting candles on birthday cakes goes back to ancient Greece. The Greeks worshipped many gods and goddesses. Among them was one called Artemis. “Artemis was the goddess of the moon. The Greeks celebrated her birthday once each month by bringing special cakes to her temple. The cakes were round like a full moon. And, because the moon glows with light, the cakes were decorated with lighted candles.”
@@cygnustsp FROM McClintock and Strong BIblical Cyclopedia - In fact, the later Jews at least regarded birthday celebrations as parts of idolatrous worship (Lightfoot, Hor. Hebr. ad Matthew 14:6), and this probably on account of the idolatrous rites with which they were observed in honor of those who were retarded as the patron gods of the day on which the party was born.
@@cygnustsp From McClintock - In fact, the later Jews at least regarded birthday celebrations as parts of idolatrous worship (Lightfoot, Hor. Hebr. ad Matthew 14:6), and this probably on account of the idolatrous rites with which they were observed in honor of those who were retarded as the patron gods of the day on which the party was born.
Thank you for your "insightful" video my friend, would you mind if I added anither little Biblical comment, that you might have overlooked ?? Not sure of chapter & verse but in the book if Job it mentions that his sons were gathered together on their "special day" what other occasion could that have been than a birthday celebration 🥳 Again thank you for all your wonderful videoes ,so helpful and educational to so many of us. 🙏❣️
I just came up with a thought as to maybe why they don't 😮 Maybe because they can't celebrate Jesus birthday on Christmas and that's how they came to that conclusion about not celebrating any birthdays! 😮
That little enemy of God - good grief, was he off his meds!!!! That is really coming back to bite him, and so it should ...Yes most kids are NOT little angels, but to say they are an enemy of God, good grief!
Rutherford voulait tout l’argent pour lui. Il ne supportait pas qu’on dépense un sou pour un cadeau. C’est lui qui a interdit toutes les fêtes et il insistait beaucoup sur la fin imminente et la nécessité de tout lui donner.
Regardless of whether it is birthdays or something else, the organization has placed unnecessary burdens not Biblically sound on the congregation. This is nothing more than false teaching. Judgment begins in the House of God, more precisely, at the pulpit. The Bible warns us of believing in man’s teachings without checking these teachings out in the scriptures. So if we fail to check them out, who is responsible? Both! The teacher is guilty of false teaching, we are guilty of not checking these teachings against scripture. My pastor always tells the congregation that if they don’t understand something, ask God for help and “put it on a shelf” until we have the right answer. I know scripture isn’t always easy to understand, but I’ve found that it’s better to be patient and wait on God to show me the truth instead of jumping headlong into believing something that I’m not sure about or believing man before God. I have to say that this practice has been very helpful in keeping me on the right track.
The Lore of Birthdays (New York, 1952) by Ralph and Adelin Linton “Originally the idea [of birthday greetings and wishes for happiness] was rooted in magic. The working of spells for good and evil is the chief usage of witchcraft. One is especially susceptible to such spells on his birthday, as one’s personal spirits are about at that time. Birthday greetings have power for good or ill because one is closer to the spirit world on this day. Good wishes bring good fortune, but the reverse is also true, so one should avoid enemies on one’s birthday and be surrounded only by well-wishers. ‘Happy birthday’ and ‘Many happy returns of the day’ are the traditional greetings” The giving of birthday gifts is a custom associated with the offering of sacrifices to pagan gods on their birthdays. Certainly the custom was linked with the same superstitions that formed the background for birthday greetings. “The exchange of presents… is associated with the importance of ingratiating good and evil fairies… on their or our birthdays” The traditional birthday cake and candles also have their origin in ancient pagan idol worship. The ancients believed that the fire of candles had magical properties. They offered prayers and made wishes to be carried to the gods on the flames of the candles. Thus we still have the widely practiced birthday custom of making a wish, then blowing out the candles. The Greeks celebrated the birthday of their moon goddess, Artemis, with cakes adorned with lighted candles... The Greeks believed that everyone had a protective spirit or daemon who attended his birth and watched over him in life. This spirit had a mystic relation with the god on whose birthday the individual was born. The Romans also subscribed to this idea. . . . This notion was carried down in human belief and is reflected in the guardian angel, the fairy godmother and the patron saint. . . . The custom of lighted candles on the cakes started with the Greeks. . . . Honey cakes round as the moon and lit with tapers were placed on the temple altars of [Artemis]. . . . Birthday candles, in folk belief, are endowed with special magic for granting wishes. . . . Lighted tapers and sacrificial fires have had a special mystic significance ever since man first set up altars to his gods. The birthday candles are thus an honor and tribute to the birthday child and bring good fortune...”
@@spellbound111 McClintock and Strong Biblical Cyclopedia Birthday
In fact, the later Jews at least regarded birthday celebrations as parts of idolatrous worship (Lightfoot, Hor. Hebr. ad Matthew 14:6), and this probably on account of the idolatrous rites with which they were observed in honor of those who were retarded as the patron gods of the day on which the party was born.
@@spellbound111 McClintock and Strong Biblical Cyclopedia Birthday In fact, the later Jews at least regarded birthday celebrations as parts of idolatrous worship (Lightfoot, Hor. Hebr. ad Matthew 14:6), and this probably on account of the idolatrous rites with which they were observed in honor of those who were retarded as the patron gods of the day on which the party was born.
The Lore of Birthdays (New York, 1952) by Ralph and Adelin Linton “Originally the idea [of birthday greetings and wishes for happiness] was rooted in magic. The working of spells for good and evil is the chief usage of witchcraft. One is especially susceptible to such spells on his birthday, as one’s personal spirits are about at that time. Birthday greetings have power for good or ill because one is closer to the spirit world on this day. Good wishes bring good fortune, but the reverse is also true, so one should avoid enemies on one’s birthday and be surrounded only by well-wishers. ‘Happy birthday’ and ‘Many happy returns of the day’ are the traditional greetings” The giving of birthday gifts is a custom associated with the offering of sacrifices to pagan gods on their birthdays. Certainly the custom was linked with the same superstitions that formed the background for birthday greetings. “The exchange of presents… is associated with the importance of ingratiating good and evil fairies… on their or our birthdays” The traditional birthday cake and candles also have their origin in ancient pagan idol worship. The ancients believed that the fire of candles had magical properties. They offered prayers and made wishes to be carried to the gods on the flames of the candles. Thus we still have the widely practiced birthday custom of making a wish, then blowing out the candles. The Greeks celebrated the birthday of their moon goddess, Artemis, with cakes adorned with lighted candles... The Greeks believed that everyone had a protective spirit or daemon who attended his birth and watched over him in life. This spirit had a mystic relation with the god on whose birthday the individual was born. The Romans also subscribed to this idea. . . . This notion was carried down in human belief and is reflected in the guardian angel, the fairy godmother and the patron saint. . . . The custom of lighted candles on the cakes started with the Greeks. . . . Honey cakes round as the moon and lit with tapers were placed on the temple altars of [Artemis]. . . . Birthday candles, in folk belief, are endowed with special magic for granting wishes. . . . Lighted tapers and sacrificial fires have had a special mystic significance ever since man first set up altars to his gods. The birthday candles are thus an honor and tribute to the birthday child and bring good fortune...”
I have JWs in my family....who claim that they don't celebrate birthdays yet participated by taking a slice of my birthday cake, growing up! Smh. They claim they don't celebrate holidays but would go to 4th of July cookouts smh!
Communion (the "Lord's Supper" for Christians) was practiced by PAGANS centuries before Jesus' instituted it with his disciples. Pagans would "Feast" with food and drink with their Pagan gods. Paul even discussed eating meat from a market which may have been shared with PAGAN gods! "Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience" 1 Cor 10:25-30 Apostle Paul would be disfellowshipped by today's JWs. Instead of worrying about "Little enemies of God" what about the BIG ENEMIES OF GOD at Watchtower HQ?
You clearly didn't read the scripture you are referring to carefully enough. "But if anyone says to you, "This is something offered in sacrifice," DO NOT EAT because of the one who told you and because of conscience." (vs.28) Also, did the apostles not say "to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols"? (Acts 15:29), and I can't help wondering why you start from verse 25. Why not include verses 20 and 21? The point is, if you KNEW the meat had been used for those purposes, then the Christian would NOT have eaten it.
@@mattgardiner614 Paul said that idol gods do not even exist so nothing was wrong with the meat itself. "Eat anything that is sold in the meat market without asking questions for conscience’ sake" 1Cor 10:25 But if someone else would be troubled, then don't intentionally stumble them. Likewise, Circumcision is no longer a requirement but Paul recommended it for Timothy so that he would have better success with the opinionated, circumcised Hebrews who tended to hold themselves on high (just like today's JW's.)
From the NIV Bible (Ranked in the Top 5 for most accurate translation of bibles available) Gen 21.8 (Speaking of Abraham) “The child grew and was weaned, and ON THE DAY Isaac was weaned Abraham held a great feast.” Per Jewish history, a child’s 2nd or 3rd birthday was time for great celebration due to the mortality rate. Per many Bible scholars, this scripture indicates on Issac’s 2nd or 3rd birthday, Abraham threw a great feast to celebrate. From the NIV Bible Job 1:1 In the land of Uz there lived a man whose name was Job. This man was blameless and upright; he feared God and shunned evil. Just to give context of the type of God-Fearing Man Job was. Job 1:4: “His sons used to hold feasts in their homes on their birthdays, and they would invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them.” Many Bible translations renders this vs. as “their day”. The NIV renders it as birthday b/c Bible scholars saw the correlation of the Hebrew word here (יומו) can mean nativity, birth, delivery, confinement. Vs. 5 also indicates that Job was aware of the festivities, & after all the celebrations had concluded, he would offer a burnt sacrifice to make sure his sons didn’t sin, which is in harmony with what was brought out in the video. It not so much the birthday, but it’s the giving undue honor to themselves instead of God. Just interesting to note.
The NIV has many false translations as well as words removed. I’ve read a few of them myself. The ranking is not a surprise, to be expected actually. I stick with the old King James, not the newer versions. The closer we draw to the return of Christ, the more things get distorted and chaotic in this world.
@@mdelaney9008 Always has been the Gold Standard. I tend to read many translations. My preferred is the Borean Study & NASB, but the Original KJV stays around. I like the NIV & ESV, but the aforementioned are my everyday. I’m a former JW Elder, & I was led to believe their NWT was the most accurate translation, translated by these humble, anonymous Bible scholars. Boy was I duped, as those “scholars” were the leaders of the religion, & only ONE had “some” training in Greek & very little in Hebrew. Lol Two yrs ago, came across a passage I never paid attention to that shook me, 2 Cor. 5:20. It was translated so differently than other bibles, which led me to start reading a lot of translations, the vast majority of which harmonized. I soon realized the NWT was a doctrinal Bible, removing words, moving punctuations, changing words, & inserting words that change meaning & context, etc.
@@bygeorgehemayberite8385the NWT is really not that bad, it's based on the same text the niv is but the two couldn't be more different. The thrust of the nwt is that it has everyone talking as if they were 20th century JWs and that's it's biggest problem.
The concept of celebrating birthdays dates back thousands of years. In ancient civilizations such as Egypt, Greece, and Rome, birthdays were primarily reserved for gods and goddesses. These deities were honored with lavish feasts, rituals, and offerings. It was believed that on their birthdays, they would bestow blessings upon their followers. 1 kings 17:15 They rejected Yahweh's statutes and His covenant that He had made with their fathers. They rejected His testimonies which He had sent to warn them. Instead they followed the gods (elohim), and became godworshipers (worshipers of elohim)! They followed the ways of the nations all around them, whom Yahweh had commanded them: Do not do as they do! 16 They forsook all the Laws of Yahweh their Father, and they made for themselves two projecting circular altars. They made an Asherah Pole; The Sacred Pole for setting their feasts by the sun, and worshiped all the host of heaven, and they worshiped Baal; Lord.” Ge 1:26 I will make man in my image and likeness. But I get to choose between righteousness and evil. “ Fun “ according to the nations around me or Fun according to the scriptures that’s called abundant living.
Job 1:4-7 His sons used to hold feasts in their homes on their birthdays, and they would invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them. All my 30 years as a witness no one ever mentioned this verse.
Because to say those feasts were birthdays is reading things into the text. It's not only Witnesses that don't consider that this was speaking about birthdays, either. Google "Did early Christians celebrate birthdays?" and you'll see several sources which say things like: 'There are TWO accounts of birthdays being celebrated in the Bible: One in the OT (Pharaoh), and one in the NT (Herod)'. LODM even quotes one of these in the video. Here is the verse if anyone was wondering: "Each of his sons would hold a banquet at his house on his own set day..." (Job 1:4)
@@mattgardiner614 In the scriptures of the Old and New Testament, too, there are accounts of unbelievers celebrating a wedding feast. In view of this fact, is it forbidden for the worshipers of the New Covenant to celebrate wedding feasts?
@@mattgardiner614 Why do you preoccupy yourself with trivialities while ignoring the inalienable commandments, that Jesus left to all his followers without exception? Jesus did not forbid his followers to celebrate birthdays, but he expressly commanded his followers to commemorate his death regularly in the manner that Paul, at the behest of his Lord, immortalized in his following epistle. 1 Corinthians 11,23-26 (N W T Study Edition) 23 For I r e c e i v e d f r o m t h e L o rd what I also handed on to you, that t h e L o r d J e s u s on the night on which he was going to be betrayed took a loaf, 24 and after giving thanks, he broke it and said: “ T h i s m e a n s m y b o d y , which is in your behalf. K e e p d o i n g t h i s i n r e m e m b r a n c e o f m e .” ================================================ 25 He did the same with the cup also, after they had the evening meal, saying: “ T h i s c u p m e a n s t h e n e w c o v e n a n t by virtue of my blood. ========================================== Keep doing this, w h e n e v e r y o u d r i n k i t , in remembrance of me.” 26 For whenever y o u e a t t h i s l o a f a n d d r i n k t h i s c u p, =============================================== y o u k e e p p r o c l a i m i n g t h e d e a t h o f t h e L o r d , u n t i l h e c o m e s . =================== Questions to the Bible scholar ======================== 1.) Are you obeying Jesus' personal commandment? 2.) In the event that you answer this question in the negative, the question arises as to where Jesus forbade the majority of his followers to actively partake of his Lord's Supper. 3.) Why is the Lord's Supper to this day celebrated by the Governing Body of the Watchtower Society, when at the same time these men claim that Jesus had already returned in 1914, even though Jesus had commanded that this commemoration of his death should only take place until his coming? Has the epochal event of the coming of Jesus already occurred and is it still pending?
Thanks again for the necessary content. I'm a former JW and your videos where incredibly helpful. I'm interested in translating (even dubbing) your videos to portuguese and spanish. How can I contact you to talk about it?
The Lore of Birthdays (New York, 1952) by Ralph and Adelin Linton “Originally the idea [of birthday greetings and wishes for happiness] was rooted in magic. The working of spells for good and evil is the chief usage of witchcraft. One is especially susceptible to such spells on his birthday, as one’s personal spirits are about at that time. Birthday greetings have power for good or ill because one is closer to the spirit world on this day. Good wishes bring good fortune, but the reverse is also true, so one should avoid enemies on one’s birthday and be surrounded only by well-wishers. ‘Happy birthday’ and ‘Many happy returns of the day’ are the traditional greetings” The giving of birthday gifts is a custom associated with the offering of sacrifices to pagan gods on their birthdays. Certainly the custom was linked with the same superstitions that formed the background for birthday greetings. “The exchange of presents… is associated with the importance of ingratiating good and evil fairies… on their or our birthdays” The traditional birthday cake and candles also have their origin in ancient pagan idol worship. The ancients believed that the fire of candles had magical properties. They offered prayers and made wishes to be carried to the gods on the flames of the candles. Thus we still have the widely practiced birthday custom of making a wish, then blowing out the candles. The Greeks celebrated the birthday of their moon goddess, Artemis, with cakes adorned with lighted candles... The Greeks believed that everyone had a protective spirit or daemon who attended his birth and watched over him in life. This spirit had a mystic relation with the god on whose birthday the individual was born. The Romans also subscribed to this idea. . . . This notion was carried down in human belief and is reflected in the guardian angel, the fairy godmother and the patron saint. . . . The custom of lighted candles on the cakes started with the Greeks. . . . Honey cakes round as the moon and lit with tapers were placed on the temple altars of [Artemis]. . . . Birthday candles, in folk belief, are endowed with special magic for granting wishes. . . . Lighted tapers and sacrificial fires have had a special mystic significance ever since man first set up altars to his gods. The birthday candles are thus an honor and tribute to the birthday child and bring good fortune...”
As a child, the family of one of my best friends belonged to JW. I would invite him and his brother to my birthday party and was always disappointed that they weren't allowed to come. Once they turned up with their mum, gave me a JW Bible and then left. I think they would have liked to stay a little longer.
The angels celebrated the birth of Christ when he was born and rejoiced when they appeared to the shepherds, and then there were the wisemen who brought Jesus gifts. 🤦🏻♀️
@@WakeingUphahaha! 😂 indeed. And which faithful servant had a dog for a pet? Dogs were not looked at in any positive way biblically and yet im sure there are a LOT of JWs who own dogs.
The wording of Job 1:4 mentions Job's sons holding banquets on "Set days". Doesn't appear to me that anyone could read 'birthday' into that without A) Being coached, or B) Confirmation bias.
We don't need spoiled brats expecting a gift but ones brought up to give without expectation. We don't need self celebration we need self responsibility.
@@bretherenlee1404 Oh, nothing, I'm sure. You're NEVER wrong, are you? Noooooo.... You expect everyone to answer your questions (over and over), but are apparently entitled to exempt yourself from answering their questions to you. And don't think that people don't see it.
it's traditions are quite similar to a number of ancient Pagan harvest celebrations. For example, in ancient Rome they celebrated the holiday of Cerelia, which honored the harvest goddess of grain called Ceres. called idolatry.
In America, Thanksgiving has to do with gratitude for the Indians teaching the Pilgrims how to store and survive on the plains. Has nothing to do with idolatry. God Himself said there are no other gods. So what is the idolatry if there is One God? You can bow down to a rubber ducky if you choose to, it’s not going to be a god no matter how hard you quack. Ancient folks were visual and wanted rituals as Art to help focus their requests, though they may not have known “God”. Not unlike today. Creation is visual and auditory and this does not connote idolatry. Most every history and culture and ethnicity had terms of paganism. It’s a word. Celebrating a meal with Turkey (turky?) does not mean you’re worshipping and idolizing. It means you’re savoring the scent and taste of a bird and guess what? This year you will find NO MORE BUTTERBALL TURKIES in the Supermarkets! They have recalled ALL the Butterball Turkies! WHY, you ask? BECAUSE THEY FORGOT TO BUTTER THE BALLS!!!! Ahahaha! See? Laugh! 😂😂😂
reading the book "what is thankgiving" basically sums up that TG isnt a pagan holiday it was a feast dedicated to the pilgrims celebrating thier first succesful harvest here on north america. they had help from the pilgrims and wanted to make peace with them so they ate and enjoyed the feast with the indians. although the pilgrims initially came to america for freedom of religeon, that wasnt the basis of TG. all it was, was a feast dedicated to the first succesful harvest and making peace with the indians who were inhabiting that part of the area that the pilgrims landed on.hopefully this makes a tiny bit of sense. :D also fun fact: Plymouth Rock which is what is to be belived as where the pilgrims initially landed, has been reduced to half it's original size. because people keep taking little pieces of it home with them as Souvinirs.i thought that was a funny fact.
@@PapaGeorgio23-111 no worries, sometimes I’m pretty bad at explaining stuff I hope u find peace and know tho that God will never do that. The Bible said it somewhere. Pray about it and listen. God bless
I hate the argument that "well the two times it mentioned someone died." Whats more likely, that every single birthday someone was killed, completely disregarding the entire concept of math (18 people die before youre an adult, and each of them had 18 people die, where are all these people coming from????) Or is it more likely that twice someone died and both times someone was like "holy crap this is so out of the norm, let me write this down."? Like i had a relative get arrested on one of my birthdays, i tell that story BECAUSE its out of the ordinary, not because every birthday someone is arrested. I don't even talk about my other birthdays. Why would i? The only one i have a reason to discuss is the wierd one.
Double commenting, hating the day of your birth is an EXTREMELY pagan concept, so many pagan groups are known for mourning births or for seeing birth as a negative. The idea of birth being a bad thing is explicitly pagan.
In the book of Job, it clearly mentions a celebration on his childrens special day (or birthday). You wouldnt want that mentioned in the WATCHTOWER. Deception is the tool of choice for WATCHTOWER to remain in power. Being a victim by choice and allowing yourself to be controlled through fear of dying, is why Jehovah's Witnesses continue to view their Governing Body as a means to salvation, more than the Jesus sacrifice.
Witnesses are not alone in not celebrating what is considered to have very pagan roots, strict muslims and jews don't either. That said, I do; and I like your reasoning in this video about how it can be celebrated and by all means leave out anything that one considers to be of pagan origin but enjoy the cake ! 🥰
In both the case of Pharoah and Herod, the person who died wasn’t even in attendance at the birthday party. Plus, and this only just occured to me, if birthdays were such an offense to Jehovah then why didnt he have them mentioned again until the new testiment? You start at Joseph in Genesis and it isnt until Jesus shows up that they are mentioned again? Thats a big gap for something you can get disfellowshipped for. Not like the mosaic law was inbetween or anything...
The witnesses now say " its up too " if you want to celebrate it. But most kids today want what they cant afford, they want the most popular expensive cake, presents, so thy, thry can become spoilt brats.....when thry turn 21 they'll want their parents to buy them a luxury car etc.
Jws celebrate weddings and baby showers.All these have pagan roots. The bible does not specifically say you cannot celebrate the day of your birth. The governing bodys manmade rules and policies are based on human speculation. Then their rules can change over time. When the bible does not specifically mention whether a practice is right or wrong it should be left up to the conscience of the christian to decide whether it is right or wrong and no one should be judged.
Did much thought go into this comment before typing? Much of what we use has come from Pagan roots, however, that is not the issue but *Pagan religious roots* Do you see the profound relevance of omitting that one word can make on the whole debate. Your statement “Manmade rules and policies based on human speculation” is shear ignorance of the fact in this day and age it is easy to research the plethora of information out there in non-religious books and articles the history of many celebration’s origins Do you have any idea the size of the bible would be if as you say “specifically mention whether a practice is right or wrong?” Ultimately the decision is the person’s choice but if they are out to please God then the principles learnt guides them not to participate in anything that has its roots in Pagan religious practices
Nobody is stopping you from doing whatever you want, when you want - celebrate whatever you like - don't criticize others who do not share your beliefs or practices - just be happy with your choices. JWs have freedom to choose their beliefs as you do yours.
Job 1:4 New King James Version And his sons would go and feast in their houses, each on his appointed day, and would send and invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them. The meaning to the word, feast is different then the word feast in Leviticus 23. This tells me that the feast in Job were pertaining to each one on his special day which would have been their birthdays. JWs are so messed up. Such a controlling cult and glad we escaped from them. All thanks and praise goes to our Messiah and not the cult!
My youngest brother went to a jw school for a year. It was in Redwood City, Ca. He hated it. Said it was poorly ran. He’s not a jw, never got baptized, now an atheist. 🥳
Let’s get the facts in first. There is nothing in the Bible whatsoever prohibiting the celebration of one’s birthday. Now with that out of the way we can focus on the actual celebration. There is a way you can celebrate your birthday in a Godly way, by giving thanks to him for another year of life and before anyone starts with the “you should give thanks everyday”, yes we should do that also. There is absolutely nothing wrong with celebrating the anniversary of your birth with your family and friends. But there is also an absolutely wrong way to celebrate it. If you just going to get drunk and do stupid stuff then yes that is not the Christian way. Is up to each individual in how they do it. They can do it in a Godly way or in a wrongful way. People can also choose not to celebrate anything and that’s perfectly fine BUT you can’t say you doing because Bible say is wrong. Is that simple.
What about in the book of Job It says that Job's children got together and feasted on their day....further down it says on the day that they were born...and that Job prayed for them ....not that it was prohibited or wrong or pagan
Firstly, this was patriarchal, pre-Law, pre-Christian times. What does this have to do with Christianity? Secondly, all the translations which say birthday at Job 1:4 do not say birthday at Job 1:13. And why wasn't Job present at Job 1:13? Thirdly, Job made burnt offerings for all his children (Job 1:5). So is it acceptable to God to offer burnt offerings? Fourthly, what is the day when the sons of God came before God (Job 1:6)? Was it on their birthday or on some appointed time?
@@davidagnew8792 Firstly, it shows that families gather together to enjoy days, to share the abundance of their love and appreciation for eachother. Sounds like Christian love to me. Secondly, ? What does it matter where Job was? Thirdly, why would anyone offer burnt anything after Christ? Fourthly, On an appointed time. Your point? David. Dont worry, No one here will invite you to their birthday. You can decline whatever your conscience tells you to. We are allowed to have family gatherings on these days and show our love and even share our material abundance with them. If you think it is pagan that is because you put stock in other gods. We don't. We don't worship our children, or ourselves. We share. We love. And we pray in thankfulness for our loved ones. In my family we give extra support on these events to family that may be strugging..
@@elly7519A desperate attempt to justify birthdays. JWs do not neglect hospitality (Hebrews 13:2). Why wasn't Job present at his son's birthday (Job 1:13)? If birthday celebrations are approved by God, why did Job offer burnt offerings for his sons after their birthday feasts? Job was concerned that they may have incurred God's disapproval by their feasts and sinned. That doesn't sound like Job was too approving of their celebrations. Maybe that's why he didn't attend (Job 1:13). And why doesn't the bible mention that the daughters held feasts on their birthdays? Should only men celebrate birthdays? And the angels gathered together at an appointed time. The same word (yom/hemera) is used for birthday at Job 1:4.
@@davidagnew8792 That's absurd. You think that Job, the most faithful man we have an example of, would not have demanded his children not to gather and celebrate if he knew it to be wrong? Nope. What he did do, was offer a sacrafice for the very thought that his children may have not given pure thoughts and appreciation for their bountiful celebrations. His faith and his duty as the leader of his family compelled him to do this. You are the desperate one here. I am fully convinced that I give no stock in pagan gods. Or anything that wt distorts.
@@elly7519 PRIESTS AND FEASTS So you think the burnt offerings pre figured Christ? Correct. Whom did Job and his children pre figure? The Aaronic priesthood, Christ our High Priest and Christian "sons and daughters" of God (Lev 16:6; 2 Cor 6:18). Their feasts prefigured the annual Mosaic festivals, not birthdays: Ex 23:14,17 (ESV): "Three times in the year you shall keep a feast to me. Three times in the year shall all your males appear before the LORD." Lev 23:4: "These are the appointed feasts of the LORD." Their feasts beautifully encapsulated the Aaronic priesthood with its offerings, priests and festivals to God, and which foreshadowed the Christian priesthood whose prophetic meaning you pollute by falsely associating it to pagan birthdays.
That's one of the very few beliefs of JWs that I actually agree with. Pagan or not, is there evidence that Jesus celebrated his birthday? Then why should we, if he didn't?
The Lore of Birthdays (New York, 1952) by Ralph and Adelin Linton “Originally the idea [of birthday greetings and wishes for happiness] was rooted in magic. The working of spells for good and evil is the chief usage of witchcraft. One is especially susceptible to such spells on his birthday, as one’s personal spirits are about at that time. Birthday greetings have power for good or ill because one is closer to the spirit world on this day. Good wishes bring good fortune, but the reverse is also true, so one should avoid enemies on one’s birthday and be surrounded only by well-wishers. ‘Happy birthday’ and ‘Many happy returns of the day’ are the traditional greetings” The giving of birthday gifts is a custom associated with the offering of sacrifices to pagan gods on their birthdays. Certainly the custom was linked with the same superstitions that formed the background for birthday greetings. “The exchange of presents… is associated with the importance of ingratiating good and evil fairies… on their or our birthdays” The traditional birthday cake and candles also have their origin in ancient pagan idol worship. The ancients believed that the fire of candles had magical properties. They offered prayers and made wishes to be carried to the gods on the flames of the candles. Thus we still have the widely practiced birthday custom of making a wish, then blowing out the candles. The Greeks celebrated the birthday of their moon goddess, Artemis, with cakes adorned with lighted candles... The Greeks believed that everyone had a protective spirit or daemon who attended his birth and watched over him in life. This spirit had a mystic relation with the god on whose birthday the individual was born. The Romans also subscribed to this idea. . . . This notion was carried down in human belief and is reflected in the guardian angel, the fairy godmother and the patron saint. . . . The custom of lighted candles on the cakes started with the Greeks. . . . Honey cakes round as the moon and lit with tapers were placed on the temple altars of [Artemis]. . . . Birthday candles, in folk belief, are endowed with special magic for granting wishes. . . . Lighted tapers and sacrificial fires have had a special mystic significance ever since man first set up altars to his gods. The birthday candles are thus an honor and tribute to the birthday child and bring good fortune...”
@@LightoverDarkMinistry FROM BIBLICALCYCLOPEDIA - In fact, the later Jews at least regarded birthday celebrations as parts of idolatrous worship (Lightfoot, Hor. Hebr. ad Matthew 14:6), and this probably on account of the idolatrous rites with which they were observed in honor of those who were retarded as the patron gods of the day on which the party was born.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry FROM FLAVIUS JOSEPHUS - Nay, indeed, the law does not permit us to make festivals at the births of our children, and thereby afford occasion of drinking to excess; but it ordains that the very beginning of our education should be immediately directed to sobriety.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry The World Book - Childcraft International says regarding “Holidays and Birthdays,” “For thousands of years people all over the world have thought of a birthday as a very special day. Long ago, people believed that on a birthday a person could be helped by good spirits, or hurt by evil spirits. So, when a person had a birthday, friends and relatives gathered to protect him or her. And that’s how birthday parties began.” “The idea of putting candles on birthday cakes goes back to ancient Greece. The Greeks worshipped many gods and goddesses. Among them was one called Artemis. “Artemis was the goddess of the moon. The Greeks celebrated her birthday once each month by bringing special cakes to her temple. The cakes were round like a full moon. And, because the moon glows with light, the cakes were decorated with lighted candles.”
@@LightoverDarkMinistry McClintock and Strong Biblical Cyclopedia Birthday Birthday (יוֹם הֻלֶּדֶת, Ge 40:20; τὰ γενέσια, Mt 14:6; Mr 6:21). The observance of birthdays may be traced to a very ancient date; and the birthday of the first-born son seems in particular to have been celebrated with a degree of festivity proportioned to the joy which the event of his actual birth occasioned (Job 1:4,13,18). The birthdays of the Egyptian kings were celebrated with great pomp as early as the time of Joseph (Ge 40:20). These days were in Egypt looked upon as holy; no business was done upon them, and all parties indulged in festivities suitable to the occasion. Every Egyptian attached much importance to the day, and even to the hour of his birth; and it is probable that, as in Persia (Herodot. i, 133; Xenoph. Cyrop. i, 3, 9), each individual kept his birthday with great rejoicinrs, welcoming his friends with all the amusements of society, and a more than usual profusion of delicacies of the table (Wilkinson, v, 290). In the Bible there is no instance of birthday celebrations among the Jews themselves (but see Jer 20:15). The example of Herod the tetrarch (Mt 14:6), the celebration of whose birthday cost John the Baptist his life, can scarcely be regarded as such, the family to which he belonged being notorious for its adoption of heathen customs. In fact, the later Jews at least regarded birthday celebrations as parts of idolatrous worship (Lightfoot, Hor. Hebr. ad Matthew 14:6), and this probably on account of the idolatrous rites with which they were observed in honor of those who were retarded as the patron gods of the day on which the party was born.
@@bretherenlee1404 Not everyone who celebrates Christmas is a follower of Lord Jesus. However, there are followers of Jesus who do participate in the celebration of Christmas.
@@bretherenlee1404 You again? How many chairs did Jesus, the son of a carpenter, make? How often did he bathe? Did he sing? Was he a tenor or a baritone? When he was being flogged, did he scream in pain?
U dont need to be a jehovahs witness to know the true meaning of blowing out a candle with a wish,the birthday itself is a reality but the one reason i wont celebrate my birthday is because John the Baptist who baptised Jesus had his head removed as a birthday gift,go figure all those who thinks it seriousky ok
McClintock and Strong Biblical Cyclopedia Birthday Birthday (יוֹם הֻלֶּדֶת, Ge 40:20; τὰ γενέσια, Mt 14:6; Mr 6:21). The observance of birthdays may be traced to a very ancient date; and the birthday of the first-born son seems in particular to have been celebrated with a degree of festivity proportioned to the joy which the event of his actual birth occasioned (Job 1:4,13,18). The birthdays of the Egyptian kings were celebrated with great pomp as early as the time of Joseph (Ge 40:20). These days were in Egypt looked upon as holy; no business was done upon them, and all parties indulged in festivities suitable to the occasion. Every Egyptian attached much importance to the day, and even to the hour of his birth; and it is probable that, as in Persia (Herodot. i, 133; Xenoph. Cyrop. i, 3, 9), each individual kept his birthday with great rejoicinrs, welcoming his friends with all the amusements of society, and a more than usual profusion of delicacies of the table (Wilkinson, v, 290). In the Bible there is no instance of birthday celebrations among the Jews themselves (but see Jer 20:15). The example of Herod the tetrarch (Mt 14:6), the celebration of whose birthday cost John the Baptist his life, can scarcely be regarded as such, the family to which he belonged being notorious for its adoption of heathen customs. In fact, the later Jews at least regarded birthday celebrations as parts of idolatrous worship (Lightfoot, Hor. Hebr. ad Matthew 14:6), and this probably on account of the idolatrous rites with which they were observed in honor of those who were retarded as the patron gods of the day on which the party was born.
Before I even listen to this I am not a JW but birthdays go back to ancient Babylon when the skies were divided into signs of the zodiac and each was given the name of a God or goddess assigned to people on the day of their birth. I do things either a bit earlier or a bit later.
What did Jesus mean when he said: John 15:18 If the world hates you, you know that it has hated me before it hated you. 19 If you were part of the world, the world would be fond of what is its own. Now because YOU ARE NO PART OF THE WORLD, but I have chosen you out of the world, FOR THIS REASON THE WORLD HATES YOU. If JWs behave the same as others, how will they stand out so as to be identified and hated?
@@misterauctor7353 : Why? People who put out videos can change TRUTH? (2 Timothy 3:13) But wicked men and impostors will advance from bad to worse, misleading and being misled.
@@jimjuri6490 You quoted (2 Timothy 3:13) "But wicked men and impostors will advance from bad to worse, misleading and being misled." That's the perfect description of the Governing Body. It's funny how JWs will look at a verse like that and even use it against others, without once considering that it might be about them. JWs buy what the Governing Body says over what scripture says because they're convinced that they need the GB to tell them what the Bible means. It's sad, really.
The watchtower teaches that reading the Bible alone you will end up in darkness. They know the Bible doesn’t support there false doctrines,so they made their own translation to fit their theology but every time they change it, it exposes more problems. Eventually the goal is to get the members reading the watchtower magazines, and if you notice in the magazine they decide what the questions should be.
Its very clear in the bible that God is very keen on hygie. So that using the bathroom and taking a shower thing is a weak comparism. David also faught a beast to protect an animal he loved
And once again, treating context like it's nothing. Are folks going to throw a party when I die? I hope so. When I die, I will have finished my race, and will truly know that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. So, yeah, party on. 🥳⚰🎉⚰🥳🎉🥳🧁🎂⚰⚰
Birthdays was from the beginning in Egypt/Babylon,only the Gods,who was celebrited… Humans was not aloud to do it… And trough the history,many thousands of years,only rich ppl were those celibrating,their birthday… I dont remember if it was in 19th century,or nineteenth of century,poor/working class ppl,were aloud to celebrite their birthday… So birthday was not a good thing,from the beginning… Because it was probably,not the good Gods,that was celibrated their birthday…. ( But the history is also many times,twisted… So who knows…)
So many questions: Are you sure? Source to prove your assertion. Mary sure, Joseph maybe. Why would it matter if Jesus did or not. Lastly, since Jesus was born a Jew did he have a bar mitzvah?
Did Jesus go on TH-cam? Take a Bath? Ride a horse? Go on a hay ride? Birthdays aren’t part of Christian life, it’s cultural. Jesus never condemned cultural practices that were secular.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry no dumb dumb ... youtube wasnt invited yet, im sure he took a bath if he didnt want to smell, if there was a hay ride there why not.... they're not against his FATHER'S teachings.... which is written. hence perfect WITHOUT sin.
I think the reason for this is less sinister and more stupid than you claim. It's probably just that in the early days of the JWs, someone was like "Hey, what if birthdays are evil" and everyone got on board to feel more righteous than the other "false Christians" and now rejecting birthdays has become part of their group identity and they are to proud to take it back.
You don't suddenly become one year older on your birthday. Actually you are just one day older. JWs don't celebrate Christmas either, for obvious reasons. Isn't it some coincidence that Christ has a birthday on the same day as Tammuz, the sun god on December 25? That's some coincidence.
@@misterauctor7353 Proof that Dec 25 is also the birthday of the pagan sun god? Any encyclopedia will tell you that. They were celebrating Dec 25 long before Jesus was born.
Mishnah (mAbodah Zarah 1: 1; 1:3 (Neusner,p. 660) “Before the festivals of gentiles for three days it is forbidden to do business with them ... These are the festivals of gentiles (1) Calends, (2) Saturnalia, (3) Cratetis [the commemoration of the empire], and (4) the emperor’s anniversary, (5) his birthday”
The Imperial Bible-Dictionary Vol I, p. 225: ”The later Hebrews looked on the celebration of birth-days as a part of idolatrous worship, a view which would be abundantly confirmed by what they saw of the common observances associated with these days.”
The rulers mentioned in the Bible were celebrating themselves. Christians today celebrate OTHERS, not themselves. And once again, you're ripping a single verse out of context and using it to prove your point, completely separately from how it is used in the Bible. Will you never stop handling scripture in this slap-dash manner?
I was suppose to leave classroom when a birthday was celebrated at school I left once my very kind and understanding teacher took me aside and ask how I felt I told her I was sad and felt left out she said if you believe in Jesus just know he would never want a child to feel that way she didn't encourage me to back and celebrate but she planted a seed for Jesus fast forward to present day I celebrate all birthdays because it is a celebration of life given
So thank you much for this one
so no satanic rituals for you when leaving the room?
Yes I can just imagine your broken little heart. My five year old son went through that once and cried in a school hallway during a Xmas cupcake party. I picked him up, he was so upset, we bought a little tree, and we celebrated with cupcakes. I was disfellowshipped and marked “Apostate”. All these years later, I’d do it again if I had to. My children and I are very close now and have since, celebrated Xmases and Birthdays and we love life. ❤
@@mrm8850As she said, the teacher was kind and told her about a kind Jesus. Reread her comment.
@@christinesotelo7655 so your into satanic rituals and Egyptian Gods.
I had a teacher who was also an angel too! ❤ They often walk among us.
Dogs are only mentioned in the bible in a negative way. I don't see any JWs refusing to have dogs because of that 🤷
Because dogs are NOT ALWAYS shown in negative light.
The Lore of Birthdays (New York, 1952) by Ralph and Adelin Linton “Originally the idea [of birthday greetings and wishes for happiness] was rooted in magic. The working of spells for good and evil is the chief usage of witchcraft. One is especially susceptible to such spells on his birthday, as one’s personal spirits are about at that time. Birthday greetings have power for good or ill because one is closer to the spirit world on this day. Good wishes bring good fortune, but the reverse is also true, so one should avoid enemies on one’s birthday and be surrounded only by well-wishers. ‘Happy birthday’ and ‘Many happy returns of the day’ are the traditional greetings” The giving of birthday gifts is a custom associated with the offering of sacrifices to pagan gods on their birthdays. Certainly the custom was linked with the same superstitions that formed the background for birthday greetings. “The exchange of presents… is associated with the importance of ingratiating good and evil fairies… on their or our birthdays” The traditional birthday cake and candles also have their origin in ancient pagan idol worship. The ancients believed that the fire of candles had magical properties. They offered prayers and made wishes to be carried to the gods on the flames of the candles. Thus we still have the widely practiced birthday custom of making a wish, then blowing out the candles. The Greeks celebrated the birthday of their moon goddess, Artemis, with cakes adorned with lighted candles... The Greeks believed that everyone had a protective spirit or daemon who attended his birth and watched over him in life. This spirit had a mystic relation with the god on whose birthday the individual was born. The Romans also subscribed to this idea. . . . This notion was carried down in human belief and is reflected in the guardian angel, the fairy godmother and the patron saint. . . . The custom of lighted candles on the cakes started with the Greeks. . . . Honey cakes round as the moon and lit with tapers were placed on the temple altars of [Artemis]. . . . Birthday candles, in folk belief, are endowed with special magic for granting wishes. . . . Lighted tapers and sacrificial fires have had a special mystic significance ever since man first set up altars to his gods. The birthday candles are thus an honor and tribute to the birthday child and bring good fortune...”
@@Mr.DC3.1914 sorry dear PIMI, but I'm confused; were you supposed to show me evidence of dogs being used in a positive way??? The entire article you copy/pasted doesn't even talk about dogs.
Another question for you, aren't JWs not supposed to engage in this type of debates on the internet? I'm looking at your comment history and if an Elder sees it you'll get in trouble. Warm regards and Christian love.
Dogs are used in a negative light in the Bible as symbology, they are considered lowly. Male prostitutes were called dogs. The word dog is associated with a statement of degradation but that doesn’t mean dogs are not good, for God Himself looked at His creations and said it was good.
Dogs were used as symbology because of their low status. Male prostitutes were called dogs. But if I remember correctly. God called all His creations good. The woman asked Jesus to heal her daughter, she was not an Israelite. She said even the dogs eat the scraps under their masters table. This indicates that dogs were kept in the homes as pets. There is always so much more we can glean from scripture if we just open our minds and look for it.
Where does he say he is a JW ?@@DiegoTeliz
Yes, was never allowed to celebrate, eat birthday cake/cupcakes, say happy birthday to someone, had to sit outside at school during parties, no work parties, etc. The list can go on and on. No scriptural basis and established by the so called insights of men to control and alienate you from the outside. What a powerful cult they are and so happy to be out. I got my son his first birthday present last month and it is so special to him. Nothing wrong with celebrating your child’s life and the day God gave him to you as a blessing!
so your Egyptian?
So true, that God give us our children as a blessing AND to celebrate. Even the JW's should acknowledge that now, since their new convention song is really all about the joy of Jesus' birthday,
@@Sahira-123 Jesus Christ did not celebrate his birthday because celebrating your own birthday is a pagan tradition, and godly people shouldn't do it.
@@mrm8850 Do you have proof?
@@misterauctor7353 who told you to celebrate it?
I think the reason for birthdays is because it would make it easier to co-mingle with “worldly” people. Class birthdays, office birthdays, etc. Weddings are exclusive to who’s invited. Same with baby showers. It’s not something where everyone around you is doing it and you’d automatically be included. So it seems it’s really just to isolate Witnesses from what everyone else is doing.
A birthday party and a baby shower are the SAME thing: gift giving in celebration of a birth.
@@adamantiumbullet9215 The Lore of Birthdays (New York, 1952) by Ralph and Adelin Linton “Originally the idea [of birthday greetings and wishes for happiness] was rooted in magic. The working of spells for good and evil is the chief usage of witchcraft. One is especially susceptible to such spells on his birthday, as one’s personal spirits are about at that time. Birthday greetings have power for good or ill because one is closer to the spirit world on this day. Good wishes bring good fortune, but the reverse is also true, so one should avoid enemies on one’s birthday and be surrounded only by well-wishers. ‘Happy birthday’ and ‘Many happy returns of the day’ are the traditional greetings” The giving of birthday gifts is a custom associated with the offering of sacrifices to pagan gods on their birthdays. Certainly the custom was linked with the same superstitions that formed the background for birthday greetings. “The exchange of presents… is associated with the importance of ingratiating good and evil fairies… on their or our birthdays” The traditional birthday cake and candles also have their origin in ancient pagan idol worship. The ancients believed that the fire of candles had magical properties. They offered prayers and made wishes to be carried to the gods on the flames of the candles. Thus we still have the widely practiced birthday custom of making a wish, then blowing out the candles. The Greeks celebrated the birthday of their moon goddess, Artemis, with cakes adorned with lighted candles... The Greeks believed that everyone had a protective spirit or daemon who attended his birth and watched over him in life. This spirit had a mystic relation with the god on whose birthday the individual was born. The Romans also subscribed to this idea. . . . This notion was carried down in human belief and is reflected in the guardian angel, the fairy godmother and the patron saint. . . . The custom of lighted candles on the cakes started with the Greeks. . . . Honey cakes round as the moon and lit with tapers were placed on the temple altars of [Artemis]. . . . Birthday candles, in folk belief, are endowed with special magic for granting wishes. . . . Lighted tapers and sacrificial fires have had a special mystic significance ever since man first set up altars to his gods. The birthday candles are thus an honor and tribute to the birthday child and bring good fortune...”
@@adamantiumbullet9215 One might think that the wives of the GB make a lot of these decisions just as Rutherford's wife did.
Jesus walked among the sinners. He had to to reach them with His message. What is being missed is that we must walk among them too in order to spread His Gospel. Not being part of this world is more spiritual than physical. It is in what we know and believe and as a result, our actions.
@@mdelaney9008 Jesus did NOT SIN when he ate with the sinners. so Jesus did not join them in sinning
Thank you Light over Dark Ministry. Great episode. JWs are missing out!
so your not Christian but Egyptian.
@@mrm8850 Many Egyptians are Christians.
@@mrm8850
* you're. Learn what words mean.
Baptism was a religious rite in Egypt long before Christianity adopted the practice. According to your logic, that would make ALL Christians "Egyptian", therefore pagan.
Birthdays = pagan. Baptism = pagan. Christians = pagan.
Look in the mirror before you criticize others.
@@adamantiumbullet9215 G'day mate, I loved the "You're" explanation. I had a real good laugh. I hope all is well with you.
One question I would love to ask the Jehovah's Witnesses is this: How many young people have missed out on the fun of birthday parties as children because of that unscriptural teaching about birthdays being "pagan" and this not to be celebrated? As a reason for not allowing children to celebrate their birthdays, that story of Herod having John the Baptist beheaded on Herod's birthday does not jibe with me. That is merely a hollow excuse for banning birthdays for Jehovah's Witnesses, and it tends to take the joy out of a child's birthday. Hence, I call that excuse a "kill-joy excuse". Thank you for exposing yet another false teaching of the Watchtower Society.
I never missed not having birthday parties as a JW kid, albeit I did have them before becoming one. I still do not celebrate them as an adult and I am not a JW now.
Just because one is a former JW does not mean he missed out on things nor cannot keep practices from Watchtower he agrees with or likes.
Herod claim to be God. That what was his down fall, not Celebrating a birthday
your Egyptians not Christian?
I was raised a Scots Calvinist. We never celebrated birthdays, Christmas or Easter. All secular holidays wete deemed strange fire, and sinful. I never missed any holidays or celebrations. In fact, Christmas was better not beung celebrated. Mum didnt have to cook huge dinners and we had better TV.
I am no longer religious, but still refuse to celebrate secular junk and am far happier that way.
@@JohnSmith-le5oeI grew up JW and didn't miss any of that either. When I quit the JWs my Christmas celebration was exchanging gifts with friends (which I was really good at because I only had a few people to buy for) and we watched porn. When I married a practicing witch she and her family made a huge deal out of holidays and I had no idea what to do, what the songs were, or anything. Learned a lot. Humans are weird.
Celebrating one's birthday is one of the most important things a person can do it allows you to be thankful for the gift of one more year and also let you know who is a part of your life celebrating with you ....But since cult members have no real identity apart from the group it's not allowed. Pretty simple to me.
It's about social control. They don't allow Thanksgiving Day either
The Lore of Birthdays (New York, 1952) by Ralph and Adelin Linton “Originally the idea [of birthday greetings and wishes for happiness] was rooted in magic. The working of spells for good and evil is the chief usage of witchcraft. One is especially susceptible to such spells on his birthday, as one’s personal spirits are about at that time. Birthday greetings have power for good or ill because one is closer to the spirit world on this day. Good wishes bring good fortune, but the reverse is also true, so one should avoid enemies on one’s birthday and be surrounded only by well-wishers. ‘Happy birthday’ and ‘Many happy returns of the day’ are the traditional greetings” The giving of birthday gifts is a custom associated with the offering of sacrifices to pagan gods on their birthdays. Certainly the custom was linked with the same superstitions that formed the background for birthday greetings. “The exchange of presents… is associated with the importance of ingratiating good and evil fairies… on their or our birthdays” The traditional birthday cake and candles also have their origin in ancient pagan idol worship. The ancients believed that the fire of candles had magical properties. They offered prayers and made wishes to be carried to the gods on the flames of the candles. Thus we still have the widely practiced birthday custom of making a wish, then blowing out the candles. The Greeks celebrated the birthday of their moon goddess, Artemis, with cakes adorned with lighted candles... The Greeks believed that everyone had a protective spirit or daemon who attended his birth and watched over him in life. This spirit had a mystic relation with the god on whose birthday the individual was born. The Romans also subscribed to this idea. . . . This notion was carried down in human belief and is reflected in the guardian angel, the fairy godmother and the patron saint. . . . The custom of lighted candles on the cakes started with the Greeks. . . . Honey cakes round as the moon and lit with tapers were placed on the temple altars of [Artemis]. . . . Birthday candles, in folk belief, are endowed with special magic for granting wishes. . . . Lighted tapers and sacrificial fires have had a special mystic significance ever since man first set up altars to his gods. The birthday candles are thus an honor and tribute to the birthday child and bring good fortune...”
The Lore of Birthdays (New York, 1952) by Ralph and Adelin Linton “Originally the idea [of birthday greetings and wishes for happiness] was rooted in magic. The working of spells for good and evil is the chief usage of witchcraft. One is especially susceptible to such spells on his birthday, as one’s personal spirits are about at that time. Birthday greetings have power for good or ill because one is closer to the spirit world on this day. Good wishes bring good fortune, but the reverse is also true, so one should avoid enemies on one’s birthday and be surrounded only by well-wishers. ‘Happy birthday’ and ‘Many happy returns of the day’ are the traditional greetings” The giving of birthday gifts is a custom associated with the offering of sacrifices to pagan gods on their birthdays. Certainly the custom was linked with the same superstitions that formed the background for birthday greetings. “The exchange of presents… is associated with the importance of ingratiating good and evil fairies… on their or our birthdays” The traditional birthday cake and candles also have their origin in ancient pagan idol worship. The ancients believed that the fire of candles had magical properties. They offered prayers and made wishes to be carried to the gods on the flames of the candles. Thus we still have the widely practiced birthday custom of making a wish, then blowing out the candles. The Greeks celebrated the birthday of their moon goddess, Artemis, with cakes adorned with lighted candles... The Greeks believed that everyone had a protective spirit or daemon who attended his birth and watched over him in life. This spirit had a mystic relation with the god on whose birthday the individual was born. The Romans also subscribed to this idea. . . . This notion was carried down in human belief and is reflected in the guardian angel, the fairy godmother and the patron saint. . . . The custom of lighted candles on the cakes started with the Greeks. . . . Honey cakes round as the moon and lit with tapers were placed on the temple altars of [Artemis]. . . . Birthday candles, in folk belief, are endowed with special magic for granting wishes. . . . Lighted tapers and sacrificial fires have had a special mystic significance ever since man first set up altars to his gods. The birthday candles are thus an honor and tribute to the birthday child and bring good fortune...”
I remember hearing...we give all year round. Not just one day. The hole idea isn't because God hates birthdays it's because watchtower hates anything taking your time or money away from them. Everyone and everything outside the org. Is bad association...even your Family.
Without your birth there is no life then born again to eternal life. So what's the problem?
Giving gifts is about the giver not the receiver...God gives gifts in men by Holy Spirit.
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A “pagan” practice just about every married JW’s couple has partaken in is the exchange of wedding rings/bands.
-That is modern day “hand fasting”, a celtic & pagan practice that use to involve cutting the hands of the two to be wed, the hands would be fastened/tied together, mixing the newly weds blood together.
- using the Tract-Society logic/doctrine: Exchanging rings is a form of modern pagan blood-oath ceremony for marriage.
birthdays are Egyptian no difference.
Also "Native Americans" had a similar "Blood Brothers" custom
Don't forget the bride and groom cutting the wedding cake and "sharing" it, in communion with each other and their guests. The GB boyz who weren't gay had to allow that or they weren't getting any that night!
I told my JW mother in law bless you when she sneezed and she said they don’t do that because it’s a superstition, I said it’s just associated with being polite, she said you can’t ignore the origin. Later she yawned and covered her mouth, I told her that’s a superstition people thought a bad spirit or demon could enter yoor mouth and even googled it to prove it, she said she only does it because it looks impolite to have your mouth wide open. Do these people freaking hear themselves??! They either purposely pretend to be that clueless and dumb and don’t think or they actually are that dumb and don’t think
@@michellebernal5668 For many years in the Middle Ages, people believed that when you sneezed, your spirit left your body for a second. So, the thought went, to say "bless you" could bring you back to life and also keep evil spirits from entering you in the instant or two that you were believed to have been gone.1 Timothy 4:7
As a little kid growing up as JW in the '70's, - do you know How many b-bay parties I had to stand outside of the classroom and wait 'til all the parents and kids were done...every one of them, sad for a cult child.
Among many things, as a child growing up in the cult the prohibition on birthdays never made scriptural sense. Took 40+ years though to see through all the BS I questioned growing up. Looking back it boggles my mind that i just kept accepting the "just trust in Jehovah ( Governing Body)" answer, to any questions about their teachings that didn't have scriptural backing
Actually the Jehovah's Witnesses cult cite the birthday of Herod (who had John the Baptist arrested and put in a prison cell) as a reason against celebrating birthdays. As such, that doesn't jibe with me.
Egyptian.
You should "Wait on Jehovah" because the end of the world is coming in 1975!
The Lore of Birthdays (New York, 1952) by Ralph and Adelin Linton “Originally the idea [of birthday greetings and wishes for happiness] was rooted in magic. The working of spells for good and evil is the chief usage of witchcraft. One is especially susceptible to such spells on his birthday, as one’s personal spirits are about at that time. Birthday greetings have power for good or ill because one is closer to the spirit world on this day. Good wishes bring good fortune, but the reverse is also true, so one should avoid enemies on one’s birthday and be surrounded only by well-wishers. ‘Happy birthday’ and ‘Many happy returns of the day’ are the traditional greetings” The giving of birthday gifts is a custom associated with the offering of sacrifices to pagan gods on their birthdays. Certainly the custom was linked with the same superstitions that formed the background for birthday greetings. “The exchange of presents… is associated with the importance of ingratiating good and evil fairies… on their or our birthdays” The traditional birthday cake and candles also have their origin in ancient pagan idol worship. The ancients believed that the fire of candles had magical properties. They offered prayers and made wishes to be carried to the gods on the flames of the candles. Thus we still have the widely practiced birthday custom of making a wish, then blowing out the candles. The Greeks celebrated the birthday of their moon goddess, Artemis, with cakes adorned with lighted candles... The Greeks believed that everyone had a protective spirit or daemon who attended his birth and watched over him in life. This spirit had a mystic relation with the god on whose birthday the individual was born. The Romans also subscribed to this idea. . . . This notion was carried down in human belief and is reflected in the guardian angel, the fairy godmother and the patron saint. . . . The custom of lighted candles on the cakes started with the Greeks. . . . Honey cakes round as the moon and lit with tapers were placed on the temple altars of [Artemis]. . . . Birthday candles, in folk belief, are endowed with special magic for granting wishes. . . . Lighted tapers and sacrificial fires have had a special mystic significance ever since man first set up altars to his gods. The birthday candles are thus an honor and tribute to the birthday child and bring good fortune...”
im PIMO and if they actually allowed hoidays and didnt tell us all this " you can't celebrate these because they have pagan origins" bs id be a happy member.sorta.that and having to tell all the kids at school that "oh we get presents all the time" and then go home and Never get a single present all year long, well it really sucks.but hey, it's okay right?, nothing like some good ol' mental trauma to start your life with. To all the pimo's and exjw's i hope we all get through these hard times and come out victorious.
The Lore of Birthdays (New York, 1952) by Ralph and Adelin Linton “Originally the idea [of birthday greetings and wishes for happiness] was rooted in magic. The working of spells for good and evil is the chief usage of witchcraft. One is especially susceptible to such spells on his birthday, as one’s personal spirits are about at that time. Birthday greetings have power for good or ill because one is closer to the spirit world on this day. Good wishes bring good fortune, but the reverse is also true, so one should avoid enemies on one’s birthday and be surrounded only by well-wishers. ‘Happy birthday’ and ‘Many happy returns of the day’ are the traditional greetings” The giving of birthday gifts is a custom associated with the offering of sacrifices to pagan gods on their birthdays. Certainly the custom was linked with the same superstitions that formed the background for birthday greetings. “The exchange of presents… is associated with the importance of ingratiating good and evil fairies… on their or our birthdays” The traditional birthday cake and candles also have their origin in ancient pagan idol worship. The ancients believed that the fire of candles had magical properties. They offered prayers and made wishes to be carried to the gods on the flames of the candles. Thus we still have the widely practiced birthday custom of making a wish, then blowing out the candles. The Greeks celebrated the birthday of their moon goddess, Artemis, with cakes adorned with lighted candles... The Greeks believed that everyone had a protective spirit or daemon who attended his birth and watched over him in life. This spirit had a mystic relation with the god on whose birthday the individual was born. The Romans also subscribed to this idea. . . . This notion was carried down in human belief and is reflected in the guardian angel, the fairy godmother and the patron saint. . . . The custom of lighted candles on the cakes started with the Greeks. . . . Honey cakes round as the moon and lit with tapers were placed on the temple altars of [Artemis]. . . . Birthday candles, in folk belief, are endowed with special magic for granting wishes. . . . Lighted tapers and sacrificial fires have had a special mystic significance ever since man first set up altars to his gods. The birthday candles are thus an honor and tribute to the birthday child and bring good fortune...”
The World Book - Childcraft International says regarding “Holidays and Birthdays,” “For thousands of years people all over the world have thought of a birthday as a very special day. Long ago, people believed that on a birthday a person could be helped by good spirits, or hurt by evil spirits. So, when a person had a birthday, friends and relatives gathered to protect him or her. And that’s how birthday parties began.”
“The idea of putting candles on birthday cakes goes back to ancient Greece. The Greeks worshipped many gods and goddesses. Among them was one called Artemis.
“Artemis was the goddess of the moon. The Greeks celebrated her birthday once each month by bringing special cakes to her temple. The cakes were round like a full moon. And, because the moon glows with light, the cakes were decorated with lighted candles.”
I’m very happy my children get to experience the joy of being celebrated ❤
Have you ever noticed how the GB love being celebrated?
"You fruit picking pagan" 😂😂😂
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Well if you're married you have Pagan wedding rings on if you're a woman or your bride was dressed in white with a veil that was Pagan and there's a lot of other things too that you do is Pagan once something was Pagan 5,000 years ago is still Pagan today no matter how you look at it God says it's Pagan it is pagan governing body are not Jehovah Jehovah says it's pagan it doesn't matter what the governing body says you are a pagan person yourself and you will be destroyed
If you celebrate your anniversary isn't that pagan not in the Bible is it if it's not in the Bible then it's pagan
The World Book - Childcraft International says regarding “Holidays and Birthdays,” “For thousands of years people all over the world have thought of a birthday as a very special day. Long ago, people believed that on a birthday a person could be helped by good spirits, or hurt by evil spirits. So, when a person had a birthday, friends and relatives gathered to protect him or her. And that’s how birthday parties began.”
“The idea of putting candles on birthday cakes goes back to ancient Greece. The Greeks worshipped many gods and goddesses. Among them was one called Artemis.
“Artemis was the goddess of the moon. The Greeks celebrated her birthday once each month by bringing special cakes to her temple. The cakes were round like a full moon. And, because the moon glows with light, the cakes were decorated with lighted candles.”
@@jerryjohanan1940 : People use spoons and forks and chopsticks. That is a custom from pagans. Namely, non Israelites.
There are customs that do not violate God's principles. There are those which do.
Birthdays mentioned in the Bible are those of pagans. The fact that in the Bible record no worshiper of God ever celebrated a birthday shows that something is wrong about birthdays.
Putting someone on a pedestal for a day and offerings him/her gifts. What does it sound?
Nowhere in the does the Bible say you can't have birthday party.
Read Ecclesiastes 7 1Thru 5.
@@dominicdavino252Job and his family celebrated birthdays, and he was held up as an example of righteousness.
Yeah cause you were there with job and his family... Tell us where it is in the bible @@soundpreacher
@@LifeUnscriptedddddd Job 1:4 (compare to Job 3:1-3).
Excellent episode. I really like how you provide reasoning in a clear and easy to understand manner.
As a former JW, this is what i always saw as hypocritical, as you can't celebrate a birthday as it's Pagan, yet every JW will get married and have a wedding cerimony and wear wedding rings which are pagan that stems from Egypt that worsipped false Gods according to Jehovah, so how is this pagan practice ok to partake in but not pagan birthdays, JW's will celebrate their wedding anniversary every year, what is the difference between that yearly custom and a birthday, they are both focused on you and not jehovah, same with Piniata's they used to be classed as pagan now the WT says you can use them as people no longer associate them with paganism, they are full of hypocrisy.
The World Book - Childcraft International says regarding “Holidays and Birthdays,” “For thousands of years people all over the world have thought of a birthday as a very special day. Long ago, people believed that on a birthday a person could be helped by good spirits, or hurt by evil spirits. So, when a person had a birthday, friends and relatives gathered to protect him or her. And that’s how birthday parties began.”
“The idea of putting candles on birthday cakes goes back to ancient Greece. The Greeks worshipped many gods and goddesses. Among them was one called Artemis.
“Artemis was the goddess of the moon. The Greeks celebrated her birthday once each month by bringing special cakes to her temple. The cakes were round like a full moon. And, because the moon glows with light, the cakes were decorated with lighted candles.”
Because RINGS in the BIble are NOT always used in the negative light
The Lore of Birthdays (New York, 1952) by Ralph and Adelin Linton “Originally the idea [of birthday greetings and wishes for happiness] was rooted in magic. The working of spells for good and evil is the chief usage of witchcraft. One is especially susceptible to such spells on his birthday, as one’s personal spirits are about at that time. Birthday greetings have power for good or ill because one is closer to the spirit world on this day. Good wishes bring good fortune, but the reverse is also true, so one should avoid enemies on one’s birthday and be surrounded only by well-wishers. ‘Happy birthday’ and ‘Many happy returns of the day’ are the traditional greetings” The giving of birthday gifts is a custom associated with the offering of sacrifices to pagan gods on their birthdays. Certainly the custom was linked with the same superstitions that formed the background for birthday greetings. “The exchange of presents… is associated with the importance of ingratiating good and evil fairies… on their or our birthdays” The traditional birthday cake and candles also have their origin in ancient pagan idol worship. The ancients believed that the fire of candles had magical properties. They offered prayers and made wishes to be carried to the gods on the flames of the candles. Thus we still have the widely practiced birthday custom of making a wish, then blowing out the candles. The Greeks celebrated the birthday of their moon goddess, Artemis, with cakes adorned with lighted candles... The Greeks believed that everyone had a protective spirit or daemon who attended his birth and watched over him in life. This spirit had a mystic relation with the god on whose birthday the individual was born. The Romans also subscribed to this idea. . . . This notion was carried down in human belief and is reflected in the guardian angel, the fairy godmother and the patron saint. . . . The custom of lighted candles on the cakes started with the Greeks. . . . Honey cakes round as the moon and lit with tapers were placed on the temple altars of [Artemis]. . . . Birthday candles, in folk belief, are endowed with special magic for granting wishes. . . . Lighted tapers and sacrificial fires have had a special mystic significance ever since man first set up altars to his gods. The birthday candles are thus an honor and tribute to the birthday child and bring good fortune...”
@@Mr.DC3.1914 • Daro Weilburg, I have proved to you that the core doctrine of the Watchtower Society, namely that the parousia began in 1914, is based on a shameless lie. As is well known, the Bible Students movement under its founder Russel spread the news worldwide, that the Parousia Christi had run its course in 1874. Are you not aware that you are defending an organization against which all the apostles have expressly warned us?
@@Mr.DC3.1914 That is completly irrelevant, JWs preach "get out of babylon the great" nowhere does the bible say you can engage in pagan practices as long as they are viewed in a good light, fact is Wedding Rings, wedding cerimonies and anniversaries are all worldy pagan practices that JWs will engage in it's what suits them, not what the bible actually teaches, same with passing laws that the bible doesn't like no blood transfusions even though Paul was being asked about food, masturbation leads to homosexuality where does it say that in the bible, can't smoke yet can drink alcohol even though they are both damaging and mind altering, yeah this is hypocrisy, they teach what is convinient for them at the time, just like the flip flop of beards being ok with god then banned by god now they are ok with god again, yet JWs also teach God doesn't change his mind really wha sthe beard issue then if not that.
JW’s you are told to obey the GB, learn from their hypocritical traits.
And only celebrate their existence, you are not to be celebrated. 😢
Birthdays and even Christmas are coming back according to Bethel PIMO leaks.😊
There's even a new song that could only be described as a Christmas song, perhaps subtly preparing the way for acceptance of Christmas celebrations.
Heard that too @@scottpeterson7500
doubt it as it is Egyptian yet again the watchtower are in such club.
It would be a return to what WT did for the first 50 years of its existence. WT eventually comes full circle on just about everything.
@@adamantiumbullet9215 as much as Watchtowers is Egyptian so is Birthdays. bullet man.
The comments between reverenlee and commenters was so entertaining! I hate to see it end! God, I had a good time! This all belongs on Etta May’s Comedy! Her skit with a JW knocking at her door. Oh man! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
My parents loved being JWs. It saved them money. We were a big family so not having birthdays or Christmas was a money saving venture. We never got gifts out of the blue or any toys or presents. Oh, I lie. I got a bible once. We would cry at the window at Christmas time as all our mates brought their presents to the park. We would hold back the tears when we turned down invites to parties. The only 'celebration' was Passover. We got to listen to someone droning on and got to pass stale crackers and wine around. The whole religion is about being as miserable as possible.
The Lore of Birthdays (New York, 1952) by Ralph and Adelin Linton “Originally the idea [of birthday greetings and wishes for happiness] was rooted in magic. The working of spells for good and evil is the chief usage of witchcraft. One is especially susceptible to such spells on his birthday, as one’s personal spirits are about at that time. Birthday greetings have power for good or ill because one is closer to the spirit world on this day. Good wishes bring good fortune, but the reverse is also true, so one should avoid enemies on one’s birthday and be surrounded only by well-wishers. ‘Happy birthday’ and ‘Many happy returns of the day’ are the traditional greetings” The giving of birthday gifts is a custom associated with the offering of sacrifices to pagan gods on their birthdays. Certainly the custom was linked with the same superstitions that formed the background for birthday greetings. “The exchange of presents… is associated with the importance of ingratiating good and evil fairies… on their or our birthdays” The traditional birthday cake and candles also have their origin in ancient pagan idol worship. The ancients believed that the fire of candles had magical properties. They offered prayers and made wishes to be carried to the gods on the flames of the candles. Thus we still have the widely practiced birthday custom of making a wish, then blowing out the candles. The Greeks celebrated the birthday of their moon goddess, Artemis, with cakes adorned with lighted candles... The Greeks believed that everyone had a protective spirit or daemon who attended his birth and watched over him in life. This spirit had a mystic relation with the god on whose birthday the individual was born. The Romans also subscribed to this idea. . . . This notion was carried down in human belief and is reflected in the guardian angel, the fairy godmother and the patron saint. . . . The custom of lighted candles on the cakes started with the Greeks. . . . Honey cakes round as the moon and lit with tapers were placed on the temple altars of [Artemis]. . . . Birthday candles, in folk belief, are endowed with special magic for granting wishes. . . . Lighted tapers and sacrificial fires have had a special mystic significance ever since man first set up altars to his gods. The birthday candles are thus an honor and tribute to the birthday child and bring good fortune...”
Gday mate,I’m very sorry to hear about your upbringing. I come from a family of 10 and even though we were baptists and celebrated Christmas and Birthdays, we had no money for presents. It was so embarrassing when other kids asked what you got for Christmas etc,you learnt how to evade all questions re presents.
Being poor sucks.
Thanks for sharing.
BTW I think the reason JWs stopped birthdays, was because they had to stop DC3 (that internet troll )from playing with other children. He was even more of a nuisance as a child than now. Hard to believe but true.
@@RowanTasmanian Thanks. Not celebrating birthdays makes families drift apart. At least once a year you get to think about someone and maybe call them on the phone. With no birthdays, decades go by with no contact. Our family's annual 'holiday' was two weeks spent at the convention. The same speeches drummed into you twice. My parents were not poor. They bought brand new cars, expensive photography and recording equipment to record assemblies. Then we got the privilege of listening to the playback as we drove to and from the 3 weekly meetings. Music was banned.
@@tiomkinnyborg2289 so true. I really appreciate your comments. Birthdays and families are so important and the WT are evil for trying to stop that.
@@RowanTasmanian McClintock and Strong Biblical Cyclopedia
Birthday
Birthday (יוֹם הֻלֶּדֶת, Ge 40:20; τὰ γενέσια, Mt 14:6; Mr 6:21). The observance of birthdays may be traced to a very ancient date; and the birthday of the first-born son seems in particular to have been celebrated with a degree of festivity proportioned to the joy which the event of his actual birth occasioned (Job 1:4,13,18). The birthdays of the Egyptian kings were celebrated with great pomp as early as the time of Joseph (Ge 40:20). These days were in Egypt looked upon as holy; no business was done upon them, and all parties indulged in festivities suitable to the occasion. Every Egyptian attached much importance to the day, and even to the hour of his birth; and it is probable that, as in Persia (Herodot. i, 133; Xenoph. Cyrop. i, 3, 9), each individual kept his birthday with great rejoicinrs, welcoming his friends with all the amusements of society, and a more than usual profusion of delicacies of the table (Wilkinson, v, 290). In the Bible there is no instance of birthday celebrations among the Jews themselves (but see Jer 20:15). The example of Herod the tetrarch (Mt 14:6), the celebration of whose birthday cost John the Baptist his life, can scarcely be regarded as such, the family to which he belonged being notorious for its adoption of heathen customs. In fact, the later Jews at least regarded birthday celebrations as parts of idolatrous worship (Lightfoot, Hor. Hebr. ad Matthew 14:6), and this probably on account of the idolatrous rites with which they were observed in honor of those who were retarded as the patron gods of the day on which the party was born.
This channel is informative thank you
Great video
Reason #4 is just wrong. They completely forget that Job's children, who apparently believed in God, celebrated their birthdays and had big parties (Job 1:4-5). Job didn't tell them they shouldn't celebrate their birthdays, and God didn't punish them for celebrating their birthdays. Yes, they died at one of those grand feasts, but that was Satan as part of his testing Job. And I still don't understand how they ignore Romans 14:1-6. Paul basically says that the practice of observing holidays or not, including birthdays, if they are used to honor God, is not a "salvation issue," and we should not judge each other on our decisions to celebrate holidays, including birthdays, or not.
This is what you called a poor and pathetic reading comprehension. 😅
The Caleb and Sophia cartoon where Caleb has an existential crisis over a birthday cupcake is a hilariously stupid and cruel mental abuse
I grew up jw. I had 3 siblings. Whenever it was one of our birthdays at the dinner table he'd lead everyone with a "HAPPY BIRTHDATE" to get around the normal happy birthday lol. Each jw Grandma would also send a card with a tenner inside. Of course none of us got actual parties or anything but we skirted the rules.
The Lore of Birthdays (New York, 1952) by Ralph and Adelin Linton “Originally the idea [of birthday greetings and wishes for happiness] was rooted in magic. The working of spells for good and evil is the chief usage of witchcraft. One is especially susceptible to such spells on his birthday, as one’s personal spirits are about at that time. Birthday greetings have power for good or ill because one is closer to the spirit world on this day. Good wishes bring good fortune, but the reverse is also true, so one should avoid enemies on one’s birthday and be surrounded only by well-wishers. ‘Happy birthday’ and ‘Many happy returns of the day’ are the traditional greetings” The giving of birthday gifts is a custom associated with the offering of sacrifices to pagan gods on their birthdays. Certainly the custom was linked with the same superstitions that formed the background for birthday greetings. “The exchange of presents… is associated with the importance of ingratiating good and evil fairies… on their or our birthdays” The traditional birthday cake and candles also have their origin in ancient pagan idol worship. The ancients believed that the fire of candles had magical properties. They offered prayers and made wishes to be carried to the gods on the flames of the candles. Thus we still have the widely practiced birthday custom of making a wish, then blowing out the candles. The Greeks celebrated the birthday of their moon goddess, Artemis, with cakes adorned with lighted candles... The Greeks believed that everyone had a protective spirit or daemon who attended his birth and watched over him in life. This spirit had a mystic relation with the god on whose birthday the individual was born. The Romans also subscribed to this idea. . . . This notion was carried down in human belief and is reflected in the guardian angel, the fairy godmother and the patron saint. . . . The custom of lighted candles on the cakes started with the Greeks. . . . Honey cakes round as the moon and lit with tapers were placed on the temple altars of [Artemis]. . . . Birthday candles, in folk belief, are endowed with special magic for granting wishes. . . . Lighted tapers and sacrificial fires have had a special mystic significance ever since man first set up altars to his gods. The birthday candles are thus an honor and tribute to the birthday child and bring good fortune...”
@@Mr.DC3.1914 so what
@@cygnustsp The World Book - Childcraft International says regarding “Holidays and Birthdays,” “For thousands of years people all over the world have thought of a birthday as a very special day. Long ago, people believed that on a birthday a person could be helped by good spirits, or hurt by evil spirits. So, when a person had a birthday, friends and relatives gathered to protect him or her. And that’s how birthday parties began.”
“The idea of putting candles on birthday cakes goes back to ancient Greece. The Greeks worshipped many gods and goddesses. Among them was one called Artemis.
“Artemis was the goddess of the moon. The Greeks celebrated her birthday once each month by bringing special cakes to her temple. The cakes were round like a full moon. And, because the moon glows with light, the cakes were decorated with lighted candles.”
@@cygnustsp FROM McClintock and Strong BIblical Cyclopedia - In fact, the later Jews at least regarded birthday celebrations as parts of idolatrous worship (Lightfoot, Hor. Hebr. ad Matthew 14:6), and this probably on account of the idolatrous rites with which they were observed in honor of those who were retarded as the patron gods of the day on which the party was born.
@@cygnustsp From McClintock - In fact, the later Jews at least regarded birthday celebrations as parts of idolatrous worship (Lightfoot, Hor. Hebr. ad Matthew 14:6), and this probably on account of the idolatrous rites with which they were observed in honor of those who were retarded as the patron gods of the day on which the party was born.
Nailed it
so your Egyptian?
Thank you for your "insightful" video my friend, would you mind if I added anither little Biblical comment, that you might have overlooked ?? Not sure of chapter & verse but in the book if Job it mentions that his sons were gathered together on their "special day" what other occasion could that have been than a birthday celebration 🥳
Again thank you for all your wonderful videoes ,so helpful and educational to so many of us.
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I was gonna add that! Also where you shouldn’t judge the festivals of another. It was just getting to be too long lol
Love your videos.
I just came up with a thought as to maybe why they don't 😮 Maybe because they can't celebrate Jesus birthday on Christmas and that's how they came to that conclusion about not celebrating any birthdays! 😮
hmm.that's actually a good point.
That little enemy of God - good grief, was he off his meds!!!! That is really coming back to bite him, and so it should ...Yes most kids are NOT little angels, but to say they are an enemy of God, good grief!
Rutherford voulait tout l’argent pour lui. Il ne supportait pas qu’on dépense un sou pour un cadeau. C’est lui qui a interdit toutes les fêtes et il insistait beaucoup sur la fin imminente et la nécessité de tout lui donner.
This is awesome. Thank you!!
But..... wedding rings, bridal veils, and many other wedding traditions have pagan roots but very much allowed. Hypocrisy at it's finest.
Yep 🥳
Another good one:)
Regardless of whether it is birthdays or something else, the organization has placed unnecessary burdens not Biblically sound on the congregation. This is nothing more than false teaching. Judgment begins in the House of God, more precisely, at the pulpit. The Bible warns us of believing in man’s teachings without checking these teachings out in the scriptures. So if we fail to check them out, who is responsible? Both! The teacher is guilty of false teaching, we are guilty of not checking these teachings against scripture. My pastor always tells the congregation that if they don’t understand something, ask God for help and “put it on a shelf” until we have the right answer. I know scripture isn’t always easy to understand, but I’ve found that it’s better to be patient and wait on God to show me the truth instead of jumping headlong into believing something that I’m not sure about or believing man before God. I have to say that this practice has been very helpful in keeping me on the right track.
The Lore of Birthdays (New York, 1952) by Ralph and Adelin Linton “Originally the idea [of birthday greetings and wishes for happiness] was rooted in magic. The working of spells for good and evil is the chief usage of witchcraft. One is especially susceptible to such spells on his birthday, as one’s personal spirits are about at that time. Birthday greetings have power for good or ill because one is closer to the spirit world on this day. Good wishes bring good fortune, but the reverse is also true, so one should avoid enemies on one’s birthday and be surrounded only by well-wishers. ‘Happy birthday’ and ‘Many happy returns of the day’ are the traditional greetings” The giving of birthday gifts is a custom associated with the offering of sacrifices to pagan gods on their birthdays. Certainly the custom was linked with the same superstitions that formed the background for birthday greetings. “The exchange of presents… is associated with the importance of ingratiating good and evil fairies… on their or our birthdays” The traditional birthday cake and candles also have their origin in ancient pagan idol worship. The ancients believed that the fire of candles had magical properties. They offered prayers and made wishes to be carried to the gods on the flames of the candles. Thus we still have the widely practiced birthday custom of making a wish, then blowing out the candles. The Greeks celebrated the birthday of their moon goddess, Artemis, with cakes adorned with lighted candles... The Greeks believed that everyone had a protective spirit or daemon who attended his birth and watched over him in life. This spirit had a mystic relation with the god on whose birthday the individual was born. The Romans also subscribed to this idea. . . . This notion was carried down in human belief and is reflected in the guardian angel, the fairy godmother and the patron saint. . . . The custom of lighted candles on the cakes started with the Greeks. . . . Honey cakes round as the moon and lit with tapers were placed on the temple altars of [Artemis]. . . . Birthday candles, in folk belief, are endowed with special magic for granting wishes. . . . Lighted tapers and sacrificial fires have had a special mystic significance ever since man first set up altars to his gods. The birthday candles are thus an honor and tribute to the birthday child and bring good fortune...”
@@Mr.DC3.1914 so what
@@spellbound111 McClintock and Strong Biblical Cyclopedia
Birthday
In fact, the later Jews at least regarded birthday celebrations as parts of idolatrous worship (Lightfoot, Hor. Hebr. ad Matthew 14:6), and this probably on account of the idolatrous rites with which they were observed in honor of those who were retarded as the patron gods of the day on which the party was born.
@@spellbound111 McClintock and Strong Biblical Cyclopedia
Birthday
In fact, the later Jews at least regarded birthday celebrations as parts of idolatrous worship (Lightfoot, Hor. Hebr. ad Matthew 14:6), and this probably on account of the idolatrous rites with which they were observed in honor of those who were retarded as the patron gods of the day on which the party was born.
ynow whats funny.i predicted the first comment was gonna be from Mr.dc3 and i was right.this dudes a psycho
What can I say but "That was awesome!" ❤
In Job 1 we see that they (his kids) celebrated their birthday.
No, we dont see that at all.
@@JohnSmith-le5oe Job 1:4, His sons feasted on their day. Do your research. Its the day of birth.
there is NO word BIRTH in Job 1, so pls STOP ADDING to the Bible
The Lore of Birthdays (New York, 1952) by Ralph and Adelin Linton “Originally the idea [of birthday greetings and wishes for happiness] was rooted in magic. The working of spells for good and evil is the chief usage of witchcraft. One is especially susceptible to such spells on his birthday, as one’s personal spirits are about at that time. Birthday greetings have power for good or ill because one is closer to the spirit world on this day. Good wishes bring good fortune, but the reverse is also true, so one should avoid enemies on one’s birthday and be surrounded only by well-wishers. ‘Happy birthday’ and ‘Many happy returns of the day’ are the traditional greetings” The giving of birthday gifts is a custom associated with the offering of sacrifices to pagan gods on their birthdays. Certainly the custom was linked with the same superstitions that formed the background for birthday greetings. “The exchange of presents… is associated with the importance of ingratiating good and evil fairies… on their or our birthdays” The traditional birthday cake and candles also have their origin in ancient pagan idol worship. The ancients believed that the fire of candles had magical properties. They offered prayers and made wishes to be carried to the gods on the flames of the candles. Thus we still have the widely practiced birthday custom of making a wish, then blowing out the candles. The Greeks celebrated the birthday of their moon goddess, Artemis, with cakes adorned with lighted candles... The Greeks believed that everyone had a protective spirit or daemon who attended his birth and watched over him in life. This spirit had a mystic relation with the god on whose birthday the individual was born. The Romans also subscribed to this idea. . . . This notion was carried down in human belief and is reflected in the guardian angel, the fairy godmother and the patron saint. . . . The custom of lighted candles on the cakes started with the Greeks. . . . Honey cakes round as the moon and lit with tapers were placed on the temple altars of [Artemis]. . . . Birthday candles, in folk belief, are endowed with special magic for granting wishes. . . . Lighted tapers and sacrificial fires have had a special mystic significance ever since man first set up altars to his gods. The birthday candles are thus an honor and tribute to the birthday child and bring good fortune...”
@@Mr.DC3.1914 its the same word for job 3 where Job speaks of the day of his birth. What other day of his kids would you suggest?🧐
I have JWs in my family....who claim that they don't celebrate birthdays yet participated by taking a slice of my birthday cake, growing up! Smh. They claim they don't celebrate holidays but would go to 4th of July cookouts smh!
Pigs are also spoken off in negative terms. I hope there are no Jehovah’s Witnesses who are farmers owning hogs 😅
I've got to give this video a great big AMEN! 🥳🎂🎁🍰🍾🥂
Communion (the "Lord's Supper" for Christians) was practiced by PAGANS centuries before Jesus' instituted it with his disciples. Pagans would "Feast" with food and drink with their Pagan gods. Paul even discussed eating meat from a market which may have been shared with PAGAN gods! "Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience" 1 Cor 10:25-30 Apostle Paul would be disfellowshipped by today's JWs. Instead of worrying about "Little enemies of God" what about the BIG ENEMIES OF GOD at Watchtower HQ?
baptism too
You clearly didn't read the scripture you are referring to carefully enough. "But if anyone says to you, "This is something offered in sacrifice," DO NOT EAT because of the one who told you and because of conscience." (vs.28) Also, did the apostles not say "to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols"? (Acts 15:29), and I can't help wondering why you start from verse 25. Why not include verses 20 and 21?
The point is, if you KNEW the meat had been used for those purposes, then the Christian would NOT have eaten it.
@@mattgardiner614 Paul said that idol gods do not even exist so nothing was wrong with the meat itself. "Eat anything that is sold in the meat market without asking questions for conscience’ sake" 1Cor 10:25 But if someone else would be troubled, then don't intentionally stumble them. Likewise, Circumcision is no longer a requirement but Paul recommended it for Timothy so that he would have better success with the opinionated, circumcised Hebrews who tended to hold themselves on high (just like today's JW's.)
8:20 that’s not talking about only being allowed to commemorate the Lords evening meal, but that it being the only requirement.
From the NIV Bible (Ranked in the Top 5 for most accurate translation of bibles available)
Gen 21.8 (Speaking of Abraham)
“The child grew and was weaned, and ON THE DAY Isaac was weaned Abraham held a great feast.”
Per Jewish history, a child’s 2nd or 3rd birthday was time for great celebration due to the mortality rate. Per many Bible scholars, this scripture indicates on Issac’s 2nd or 3rd birthday, Abraham threw a great feast to celebrate.
From the NIV Bible
Job 1:1 In the land of Uz there lived a man whose name was Job. This man was blameless and upright; he feared God and shunned evil.
Just to give context of the type of God-Fearing Man Job was.
Job 1:4:
“His sons used to hold feasts in their homes on their birthdays, and they would invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them.”
Many Bible translations renders this vs. as “their day”. The NIV renders it as birthday b/c Bible scholars saw the correlation of the Hebrew word here (יומו) can mean nativity, birth, delivery, confinement.
Vs. 5 also indicates that Job was aware of the festivities, & after all the celebrations had concluded, he would offer a burnt sacrifice to make sure his sons didn’t sin, which is in harmony with what was brought out in the video. It not so much the birthday, but it’s the giving undue honor to themselves instead of God.
Just interesting to note.
The NIV has many false translations as well as words removed. I’ve read a few of them myself. The ranking is not a surprise, to be expected actually. I stick with the old King James, not the newer versions. The closer we draw to the return of Christ, the more things get distorted and chaotic in this world.
@@mdelaney9008
Always has been the Gold Standard. I tend to read many translations. My preferred is the Borean Study & NASB, but the Original KJV stays around. I like the NIV & ESV, but the aforementioned are my everyday.
I’m a former JW Elder, & I was led to believe their NWT was the most accurate translation, translated by these humble, anonymous Bible scholars. Boy was I duped, as those “scholars” were the leaders of the religion, & only ONE had “some” training in Greek & very little in Hebrew. Lol
Two yrs ago, came across a passage I never paid attention to that shook me, 2 Cor. 5:20. It was translated so differently than other bibles, which led me to start reading a lot of translations, the vast majority of which harmonized. I soon realized the NWT was a doctrinal Bible, removing words, moving punctuations, changing words, & inserting words that change meaning & context, etc.
Not birtdays.
@@bygeorgehemayberite8385the NWT is really not that bad, it's based on the same text the niv is but the two couldn't be more different. The thrust of the nwt is that it has everyone talking as if they were 20th century JWs and that's it's biggest problem.
JOb does not say BIRTHDAY, and other translators ADDED to the Bible by inserting BIRTH there when it is NOT there
The concept of celebrating birthdays dates back thousands of years. In ancient civilizations such as Egypt, Greece, and Rome, birthdays were primarily reserved for gods and goddesses. These deities were honored with lavish feasts, rituals, and offerings. It was believed that on their birthdays, they would bestow blessings upon their followers.
1 kings 17:15 They rejected Yahweh's statutes and His covenant that He had made with their fathers. They rejected His testimonies which He had sent to warn them. Instead they followed the gods (elohim), and became godworshipers (worshipers of elohim)! They followed the ways of the nations all around them, whom Yahweh had commanded them: Do not do as they do! 16 They forsook all the Laws of Yahweh their Father, and they made for themselves two projecting circular altars. They made an Asherah Pole; The Sacred Pole for setting their feasts by the sun, and worshiped all the host of heaven, and they worshiped Baal; Lord.”
Ge 1:26 I will make man in my image and likeness.
But I get to choose between righteousness and evil. “ Fun “ according to the nations around me or Fun according to the scriptures that’s called abundant living.
Job 1:4-7
His sons used to hold feasts in their homes on their birthdays, and they would invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them. All my 30 years as a witness no one ever mentioned this verse.
Because to say those feasts were birthdays is reading things into the text. It's not only Witnesses that don't consider that this was speaking about birthdays, either. Google "Did early Christians celebrate birthdays?" and you'll see several sources which say things like: 'There are TWO accounts of birthdays being celebrated in the Bible: One in the OT (Pharaoh), and one in the NT (Herod)'.
LODM even quotes one of these in the video.
Here is the verse if anyone was wondering: "Each of his sons would hold a banquet at his house on his own set day..." (Job 1:4)
@@mattgardiner614 In the scriptures of the Old and New Testament, too, there are accounts of unbelievers celebrating a wedding feast.
In view of this fact, is it forbidden for the worshipers of the New Covenant to celebrate wedding feasts?
it's all about (pause for effect) MISDIRECTION
also this is a meme from a movie i once watched XD
@@mattgardiner614 Why do you preoccupy yourself with trivialities while ignoring the inalienable commandments, that Jesus left to all his followers without exception?
Jesus did not forbid his followers to celebrate birthdays, but he expressly commanded his followers to commemorate his death regularly in the manner that Paul, at the behest of his Lord, immortalized in his following epistle.
1 Corinthians 11,23-26 (N W T Study Edition)
23 For I r e c e i v e d f r o m t h e L o rd what I also handed on to you, that t h e L o r d J e s u s on the night on which he was going to be betrayed took a loaf,
24 and after giving thanks, he broke it and said: “ T h i s m e a n s m y b o d y , which is in your behalf.
K e e p d o i n g t h i s i n r e m e m b r a n c e o f m e .”
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25 He did the same with the cup also, after they had the evening meal, saying:
“ T h i s c u p m e a n s t h e n e w c o v e n a n t by virtue of my blood.
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Keep doing this, w h e n e v e r y o u d r i n k i t , in remembrance of me.”
26 For whenever y o u e a t t h i s l o a f a n d d r i n k t h i s c u p,
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y o u k e e p p r o c l a i m i n g t h e d e a t h o f t h e L o r d ,
u n t i l h e c o m e s .
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Questions to the Bible scholar
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1.) Are you obeying Jesus' personal commandment?
2.) In the event that you answer this question in the negative, the question arises as to where Jesus forbade the majority of his followers to actively partake of his Lord's Supper.
3.) Why is the Lord's Supper to this day celebrated by the Governing Body of the Watchtower Society, when at the same time these men claim that Jesus had already returned in 1914, even though Jesus had commanded that this commemoration of his death should only take place until his coming?
Has the epochal event of the coming of Jesus already occurred and is it still pending?
Not only did i never get birthday my mother would make me do the hardest physical work when i got home from school. A double whammy.
JW needs to reform and follow real Christianity.
Anglican, are you?
Thanks again for the necessary content. I'm a former JW and your videos where incredibly helpful. I'm interested in translating (even dubbing) your videos to portuguese and spanish. How can I contact you to talk about it?
The Lore of Birthdays (New York, 1952) by Ralph and Adelin Linton “Originally the idea [of birthday greetings and wishes for happiness] was rooted in magic. The working of spells for good and evil is the chief usage of witchcraft. One is especially susceptible to such spells on his birthday, as one’s personal spirits are about at that time. Birthday greetings have power for good or ill because one is closer to the spirit world on this day. Good wishes bring good fortune, but the reverse is also true, so one should avoid enemies on one’s birthday and be surrounded only by well-wishers. ‘Happy birthday’ and ‘Many happy returns of the day’ are the traditional greetings” The giving of birthday gifts is a custom associated with the offering of sacrifices to pagan gods on their birthdays. Certainly the custom was linked with the same superstitions that formed the background for birthday greetings. “The exchange of presents… is associated with the importance of ingratiating good and evil fairies… on their or our birthdays” The traditional birthday cake and candles also have their origin in ancient pagan idol worship. The ancients believed that the fire of candles had magical properties. They offered prayers and made wishes to be carried to the gods on the flames of the candles. Thus we still have the widely practiced birthday custom of making a wish, then blowing out the candles. The Greeks celebrated the birthday of their moon goddess, Artemis, with cakes adorned with lighted candles... The Greeks believed that everyone had a protective spirit or daemon who attended his birth and watched over him in life. This spirit had a mystic relation with the god on whose birthday the individual was born. The Romans also subscribed to this idea. . . . This notion was carried down in human belief and is reflected in the guardian angel, the fairy godmother and the patron saint. . . . The custom of lighted candles on the cakes started with the Greeks. . . . Honey cakes round as the moon and lit with tapers were placed on the temple altars of [Artemis]. . . . Birthday candles, in folk belief, are endowed with special magic for granting wishes. . . . Lighted tapers and sacrificial fires have had a special mystic significance ever since man first set up altars to his gods. The birthday candles are thus an honor and tribute to the birthday child and bring good fortune...”
@@Mr.DC3.1914🤦🤦
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They're going to change it soon
I think they might. They’ll make it a “conscious decision”
As a child, the family of one of my best friends belonged to JW. I would invite him and his brother to my birthday party and was always disappointed that they weren't allowed to come. Once they turned up with their mum, gave me a JW Bible and then left. I think they would have liked to stay a little longer.
Which faithful servant of God in the bible celebrated birthdays?
Which one ate carrots?
The angels celebrated the birth of Christ when he was born and rejoiced when they appeared to the shepherds, and then there were the wisemen who brought Jesus gifts. 🤦🏻♀️
@@WakeingUphahaha! 😂 indeed. And which faithful servant had a dog for a pet? Dogs were not looked at in any positive way biblically and yet im sure there are a LOT of JWs who own dogs.
@@pearlytiger564 excellent point. I always forget about that one
@@WakeingUp 😊👍🏻
The first chapter of Job heavily implies that jobs children celebrated birthdays
The wording of Job 1:4 mentions Job's sons holding banquets on "Set days". Doesn't appear to me that anyone could read 'birthday' into that without A) Being coached, or B) Confirmation bias.
@@mattgardiner614Upset that Job's children celebrated birthdays?
@@misterauctor7353 How did you determine Job's children celebrated birthdays? A or B?
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Go ahead and email me and we’ll make it happen.
But they celebrate wedding anniversaries even though many of the marriages break up. Twisted ideas.
Do Jehovah’s Witnesses shun fortune cookies too? After all, it’s a practice that goes back to non-Christian Asia and Divination is a sin.
Certainly
We don't need spoiled brats expecting a gift but ones brought up to give without expectation. We don't need self celebration we need self responsibility.
Speaking from experience, eh? 🙂
That's ironic, coming from one of the most self-entitled people on TH-cam...
@@evanwindom what did I do wrong this time?
@@bretherenlee1404 Oh, nothing, I'm sure. You're NEVER wrong, are you? Noooooo.... You expect everyone to answer your questions (over and over), but are apparently entitled to exempt yourself from answering their questions to you. And don't think that people don't see it.
@@evanwindom what did I do?
How about thanksgiving?
Growing up in my house we had turkey with all the fixings the day after thanksgiving under the warning of not telling anyone from the hall. 🤫
@msjosieb if y'all couldn't tell anyway, it might as well have been on Thursday 😅
it's traditions are quite similar to a number of ancient Pagan harvest celebrations. For example, in ancient Rome they celebrated the holiday of Cerelia, which honored the harvest goddess of grain called Ceres. called idolatry.
In America, Thanksgiving has to do with gratitude for the Indians teaching the Pilgrims how to store and survive on the plains. Has nothing to do with idolatry. God Himself said there are no other gods. So what is the idolatry if there is One God? You can bow down to a rubber ducky if you choose to, it’s not going to be a god no matter how hard you quack. Ancient folks were visual and wanted rituals as Art to help focus their requests, though they may not have known “God”. Not unlike today. Creation is visual and auditory and this does not connote idolatry. Most every history and culture and ethnicity had terms of paganism. It’s a word. Celebrating a meal with Turkey (turky?) does not mean you’re worshipping and idolizing. It means you’re savoring the scent and taste of a bird and guess what? This year you will find NO MORE BUTTERBALL TURKIES in the Supermarkets! They have recalled ALL the Butterball Turkies! WHY, you ask? BECAUSE THEY FORGOT TO BUTTER THE BALLS!!!! Ahahaha! See? Laugh! 😂😂😂
reading the book "what is thankgiving" basically sums up that TG isnt a pagan holiday it was a feast dedicated to the pilgrims celebrating thier first succesful harvest here on north america. they had help from the pilgrims and wanted to make peace with them so they ate and enjoyed the feast with the indians. although the pilgrims initially came to america for freedom of religeon, that wasnt the basis of TG. all it was, was a feast dedicated to the first succesful harvest and making peace with the indians who were inhabiting that part of the area that the pilgrims landed on.hopefully this makes a tiny bit of sense. :D
also fun fact: Plymouth Rock which is what is to be belived as where the pilgrims initially landed, has been reduced to half it's original size. because people keep taking little pieces of it home with them as Souvinirs.i thought that was a funny fact.
How did Abraham knew when he was 99 and how did Noah knew when he got 500year old ???
That’s just pure evil to say that innocent babies are enemies of God 🤦🏻♂️ I’m pretty sure Jesus loves babies and children
Innocent means NON enemy, the GUILTY are enemies if they DONT REPENT. poor children don’t have a choice but grown ups do
@@alexgucciman I understand what you mean for the adults they have to make a choice ; but do you think innocent babies are enemies of God ?
@@PapaGeorgio23-111 sorry for this late reply, and of course not, that’s y I stated that BABIES R INNOCENT
@@alexgucciman sorry. Kinda misunderstood you there too 😅
@@PapaGeorgio23-111 no worries, sometimes I’m pretty bad at explaining stuff I hope u find peace and know tho that God will never do that. The Bible said it somewhere. Pray about it and listen. God bless
Pagan in Latin means rural it doesn't specify a particular religious belief so Pagan in Roman era just meant culture practices of rural folk
I hate the argument that "well the two times it mentioned someone died."
Whats more likely, that every single birthday someone was killed, completely disregarding the entire concept of math (18 people die before youre an adult, and each of them had 18 people die, where are all these people coming from????) Or is it more likely that twice someone died and both times someone was like "holy crap this is so out of the norm, let me write this down."?
Like i had a relative get arrested on one of my birthdays, i tell that story BECAUSE its out of the ordinary, not because every birthday someone is arrested. I don't even talk about my other birthdays. Why would i? The only one i have a reason to discuss is the wierd one.
Double commenting, hating the day of your birth is an EXTREMELY pagan concept, so many pagan groups are known for mourning births or for seeing birth as a negative. The idea of birth being a bad thing is explicitly pagan.
I agree with you. It is sad how JW fail to note that Job's children celebrated their birthdays.
you sound superstitious as birthdays are a satanic ritual and also Egyptian.
JWs like to discuss weirdness.
@@christinesotelo7655 sound like paganistic worshippers are not listening to a word YWHW said and warned about such paganistic practices.
If you're spiritual but not religious ,( SBNR) you can do what you want and get along with everyone.
In the book of Job, it clearly mentions a celebration on his childrens special day (or birthday). You wouldnt want that mentioned in the WATCHTOWER. Deception is the tool of choice for WATCHTOWER to remain in power. Being a victim by choice and allowing yourself to be controlled through fear of dying, is why Jehovah's Witnesses continue to view their Governing Body as a means to salvation, more than the Jesus sacrifice.
Witnesses are not alone in not celebrating what is considered to have very pagan roots, strict muslims and jews don't either. That said, I do; and I like your reasoning in this video about how it can be celebrated and by all means leave out anything that one considers to be of pagan origin but enjoy the cake ! 🥰
In both the case of Pharoah and Herod, the person who died wasn’t even in attendance at the birthday party.
Plus, and this only just occured to me, if birthdays were such an offense to Jehovah then why didnt he have them mentioned again until the new testiment? You start at Joseph in Genesis and it isnt until Jesus shows up that they are mentioned again? Thats a big gap for something you can get disfellowshipped for.
Not like the mosaic law was inbetween or anything...
The witnesses now say " its up too " if you want to celebrate it.
But most kids today want what they cant afford, they want the most popular expensive cake, presents, so thy, thry can become spoilt brats.....when thry turn 21 they'll want their parents to buy them a luxury car etc.
Jws celebrate weddings and baby showers.All these have pagan roots. The bible does not specifically say you cannot celebrate the day of your birth. The governing bodys manmade rules and policies are based on human speculation. Then their rules can change over time. When the bible does not specifically mention whether a practice is right or wrong it should be left up to the conscience of the christian to decide whether it is right or wrong and no one should be judged.
Did much thought go into this comment before typing? Much of what we use has come from Pagan roots, however, that is not the issue but *Pagan religious roots* Do you see the profound relevance of omitting that one word can make on the whole debate.
Your statement “Manmade rules and policies based on human speculation” is shear ignorance of the fact in this day and age it is easy to research the plethora of information out there in non-religious books and articles the history of many celebration’s origins
Do you have any idea the size of the bible would be if as you say “specifically mention whether a practice is right or wrong?”
Ultimately the decision is the person’s choice but if they are out to please God then the principles learnt guides them not to participate in anything that has its roots in Pagan religious practices
@@jahtruthdefendercould not have said it better.
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I love this information about the watchtower 😂 .
Nobody is stopping you from doing whatever you want, when you want - celebrate whatever you like - don't criticize others who do not share your beliefs or practices - just be happy with your choices. JWs have freedom to choose their beliefs as you do yours.
Lying for the WT doesn't work.
@@Chris_Sheridan "JWs... yours."
JWs don't to choose their beliefs. You shunned them when they do that.
Job 1:4 New King James Version
And his sons would go and feast in their houses, each on his appointed day, and would send and invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them. The meaning to the word, feast is different then the word feast in Leviticus 23. This tells me that the feast in Job were pertaining to each one on his special day which would have been their birthdays. JWs are so messed up. Such a controlling cult and glad we escaped from them. All thanks and praise goes to our Messiah and not the cult!
The Bible never mentions a person farting. I guess farts don’t exist.
JW'S should start their school, just like the rest of the Christian do. You have Catholic schools, Lutheran schools , nondenominational schools.
JWs DO have their own schools. There's been one in the city I live in for at least 3 decades.
@@adamantiumbullet9215 Oh no.
@@adamantiumbullet9215 they need more so their kid won't be traumatized
My youngest brother went to a jw school for a year. It was in Redwood City, Ca. He hated it. Said it was poorly ran. He’s not a jw, never got baptized, now an atheist. 🥳
Jesus attended a wedding ceremony
Today is my birthday. I had cake and coffee. Its great not being or jehovah's wintess (birthday cake) or mormon. (Coffee).
Let’s get the facts in first. There is nothing in the Bible whatsoever prohibiting the celebration of one’s birthday. Now with that out of the way we can focus on the actual celebration. There is a way you can celebrate your birthday in a Godly way, by giving thanks to him for another year of life and before anyone starts with the “you should give thanks everyday”, yes we should do that also. There is absolutely nothing wrong with celebrating the anniversary of your birth with your family and friends. But there is also an absolutely wrong way to celebrate it. If you just going to get drunk and do stupid stuff then yes that is not the Christian way. Is up to each individual in how they do it. They can do it in a Godly way or in a wrongful way. People can also choose not to celebrate anything and that’s perfectly fine BUT you can’t say you doing because Bible say is wrong. Is that simple.
What about in the book of Job
It says that Job's children got together and feasted on their day....further down it says on the day that they were born...and that Job prayed for them ....not that it was prohibited or wrong or pagan
Firstly, this was patriarchal, pre-Law, pre-Christian times. What does this have to do with Christianity?
Secondly, all the translations which say birthday at Job 1:4 do not say birthday at Job 1:13. And why wasn't Job present at Job 1:13?
Thirdly, Job made burnt offerings for all his children (Job 1:5). So is it acceptable to God to offer burnt offerings?
Fourthly, what is the day when the sons of God came before God (Job 1:6)? Was it on their birthday or on some appointed time?
@@davidagnew8792
Firstly, it shows that families gather together to enjoy days, to share the abundance of their love and appreciation for eachother.
Sounds like Christian love to me.
Secondly, ? What does it matter where Job was?
Thirdly, why would anyone offer burnt anything after Christ?
Fourthly, On an appointed time. Your point?
David. Dont worry, No one here will invite you to their birthday. You can decline whatever your conscience tells you to.
We are allowed to have family gatherings on these days and show our love and even share our material abundance with them.
If you think it is pagan that is because you put stock in other gods.
We don't. We don't worship our children, or ourselves.
We share. We love.
And we pray in thankfulness for our loved ones.
In my family we give extra support on these events to family that may be strugging..
@@elly7519A desperate attempt to justify birthdays.
JWs do not neglect hospitality (Hebrews 13:2).
Why wasn't Job present at his son's birthday (Job 1:13)? If birthday celebrations are approved by God, why did Job offer burnt offerings for his sons after their birthday feasts?
Job was concerned that they may have incurred God's disapproval by their feasts and sinned. That doesn't sound like Job was too approving of their celebrations. Maybe that's why he didn't attend (Job 1:13).
And why doesn't the bible mention that the daughters held feasts on their birthdays? Should only men celebrate birthdays?
And the angels gathered together at an appointed time. The same word (yom/hemera) is used for birthday at Job 1:4.
@@davidagnew8792
That's absurd.
You think that Job, the most faithful man we have an example of, would not have demanded his children not to gather and celebrate if he knew it to be wrong?
Nope.
What he did do, was offer a sacrafice for the very thought that his children may have not given pure thoughts and appreciation for their bountiful celebrations.
His faith and his duty as the leader of his family compelled him to do this.
You are the desperate one here. I am fully convinced that I give no stock in pagan gods.
Or anything that wt distorts.
@@elly7519
PRIESTS AND FEASTS
So you think the burnt offerings pre figured Christ? Correct.
Whom did Job and his children pre figure?
The Aaronic priesthood, Christ our High Priest and Christian "sons and daughters" of God (Lev 16:6; 2 Cor 6:18).
Their feasts prefigured the annual Mosaic festivals, not birthdays:
Ex 23:14,17 (ESV): "Three times in the year you shall keep a feast to me. Three times in the year shall all your males appear before the LORD."
Lev 23:4: "These are the appointed feasts of the LORD."
Their feasts beautifully encapsulated the Aaronic priesthood with its offerings, priests and festivals to God, and which foreshadowed the Christian priesthood whose prophetic meaning you pollute by falsely associating it to pagan birthdays.
That's one of the very few beliefs of JWs that I actually agree with. Pagan or not, is there evidence that Jesus celebrated his birthday? Then why should we, if he didn't?
The Lore of Birthdays (New York, 1952) by Ralph and Adelin Linton “Originally the idea [of birthday greetings and wishes for happiness] was rooted in magic. The working of spells for good and evil is the chief usage of witchcraft. One is especially susceptible to such spells on his birthday, as one’s personal spirits are about at that time. Birthday greetings have power for good or ill because one is closer to the spirit world on this day. Good wishes bring good fortune, but the reverse is also true, so one should avoid enemies on one’s birthday and be surrounded only by well-wishers. ‘Happy birthday’ and ‘Many happy returns of the day’ are the traditional greetings” The giving of birthday gifts is a custom associated with the offering of sacrifices to pagan gods on their birthdays. Certainly the custom was linked with the same superstitions that formed the background for birthday greetings. “The exchange of presents… is associated with the importance of ingratiating good and evil fairies… on their or our birthdays” The traditional birthday cake and candles also have their origin in ancient pagan idol worship. The ancients believed that the fire of candles had magical properties. They offered prayers and made wishes to be carried to the gods on the flames of the candles. Thus we still have the widely practiced birthday custom of making a wish, then blowing out the candles. The Greeks celebrated the birthday of their moon goddess, Artemis, with cakes adorned with lighted candles... The Greeks believed that everyone had a protective spirit or daemon who attended his birth and watched over him in life. This spirit had a mystic relation with the god on whose birthday the individual was born. The Romans also subscribed to this idea. . . . This notion was carried down in human belief and is reflected in the guardian angel, the fairy godmother and the patron saint. . . . The custom of lighted candles on the cakes started with the Greeks. . . . Honey cakes round as the moon and lit with tapers were placed on the temple altars of [Artemis]. . . . Birthday candles, in folk belief, are endowed with special magic for granting wishes. . . . Lighted tapers and sacrificial fires have had a special mystic significance ever since man first set up altars to his gods. The birthday candles are thus an honor and tribute to the birthday child and bring good fortune...”
I have a digital copy of the Lore and Birthdays book. Are you aware the authors don’t use any sources?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry FROM BIBLICALCYCLOPEDIA - In fact, the later Jews at least regarded birthday celebrations as parts of idolatrous worship (Lightfoot, Hor. Hebr. ad Matthew 14:6), and this probably on account of the idolatrous rites with which they were observed in honor of those who were retarded as the patron gods of the day on which the party was born.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry FROM FLAVIUS JOSEPHUS - Nay, indeed, the law does not permit us to make festivals at the births of our children, and thereby afford occasion of drinking to excess; but it ordains that the very beginning of our education should be immediately directed to sobriety.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry The World Book - Childcraft International says regarding “Holidays and Birthdays,” “For thousands of years people all over the world have thought of a birthday as a very special day. Long ago, people believed that on a birthday a person could be helped by good spirits, or hurt by evil spirits. So, when a person had a birthday, friends and relatives gathered to protect him or her. And that’s how birthday parties began.”
“The idea of putting candles on birthday cakes goes back to ancient Greece. The Greeks worshipped many gods and goddesses. Among them was one called Artemis.
“Artemis was the goddess of the moon. The Greeks celebrated her birthday once each month by bringing special cakes to her temple. The cakes were round like a full moon. And, because the moon glows with light, the cakes were decorated with lighted candles.”
@@LightoverDarkMinistry McClintock and Strong Biblical Cyclopedia
Birthday
Birthday (יוֹם הֻלֶּדֶת, Ge 40:20; τὰ γενέσια, Mt 14:6; Mr 6:21). The observance of birthdays may be traced to a very ancient date; and the birthday of the first-born son seems in particular to have been celebrated with a degree of festivity proportioned to the joy which the event of his actual birth occasioned (Job 1:4,13,18). The birthdays of the Egyptian kings were celebrated with great pomp as early as the time of Joseph (Ge 40:20). These days were in Egypt looked upon as holy; no business was done upon them, and all parties indulged in festivities suitable to the occasion. Every Egyptian attached much importance to the day, and even to the hour of his birth; and it is probable that, as in Persia (Herodot. i, 133; Xenoph. Cyrop. i, 3, 9), each individual kept his birthday with great rejoicinrs, welcoming his friends with all the amusements of society, and a more than usual profusion of delicacies of the table (Wilkinson, v, 290). In the Bible there is no instance of birthday celebrations among the Jews themselves (but see Jer 20:15). The example of Herod the tetrarch (Mt 14:6), the celebration of whose birthday cost John the Baptist his life, can scarcely be regarded as such, the family to which he belonged being notorious for its adoption of heathen customs. In fact, the later Jews at least regarded birthday celebrations as parts of idolatrous worship (Lightfoot, Hor. Hebr. ad Matthew 14:6), and this probably on account of the idolatrous rites with which they were observed in honor of those who were retarded as the patron gods of the day on which the party was born.
How many birthdays did Jesus clock in?
As many pets as he had.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry what verse is that? When you celebrate Christmas are you following Jesus?
@@bretherenlee1404 Not everyone who celebrates Christmas is a follower of Lord Jesus. However, there are followers of Jesus who do participate in the celebration of Christmas.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry DH, you're in for an incredibly stilted, one-sided argument with Mr. WatchTower 2.0 here.
@@bretherenlee1404 You again? How many chairs did Jesus, the son of a carpenter, make? How often did he bathe? Did he sing? Was he a tenor or a baritone? When he was being flogged, did he scream in pain?
U dont need to be a jehovahs witness to know the true meaning of blowing out a candle with a wish,the birthday itself is a reality but the one reason i wont celebrate my birthday is because John the Baptist who baptised Jesus had his head removed as a birthday gift,go figure all those who thinks it seriousky ok
McClintock and Strong Biblical Cyclopedia
Birthday
Birthday (יוֹם הֻלֶּדֶת, Ge 40:20; τὰ γενέσια, Mt 14:6; Mr 6:21). The observance of birthdays may be traced to a very ancient date; and the birthday of the first-born son seems in particular to have been celebrated with a degree of festivity proportioned to the joy which the event of his actual birth occasioned (Job 1:4,13,18). The birthdays of the Egyptian kings were celebrated with great pomp as early as the time of Joseph (Ge 40:20). These days were in Egypt looked upon as holy; no business was done upon them, and all parties indulged in festivities suitable to the occasion. Every Egyptian attached much importance to the day, and even to the hour of his birth; and it is probable that, as in Persia (Herodot. i, 133; Xenoph. Cyrop. i, 3, 9), each individual kept his birthday with great rejoicinrs, welcoming his friends with all the amusements of society, and a more than usual profusion of delicacies of the table (Wilkinson, v, 290). In the Bible there is no instance of birthday celebrations among the Jews themselves (but see Jer 20:15). The example of Herod the tetrarch (Mt 14:6), the celebration of whose birthday cost John the Baptist his life, can scarcely be regarded as such, the family to which he belonged being notorious for its adoption of heathen customs. In fact, the later Jews at least regarded birthday celebrations as parts of idolatrous worship (Lightfoot, Hor. Hebr. ad Matthew 14:6), and this probably on account of the idolatrous rites with which they were observed in honor of those who were retarded as the patron gods of the day on which the party was born.
Before I even listen to this I am not a JW but birthdays go back to ancient Babylon when the skies were divided into signs of the zodiac and each was given the name of a God or goddess assigned to people on the day of their birth. I do things either a bit earlier or a bit later.
What did Jesus mean when he said:
John 15:18 If the world hates you, you know that it has hated me before it hated you. 19 If you were part of the world, the world would be fond of what is its own. Now because YOU ARE NO PART OF THE WORLD, but I have chosen you out of the world, FOR THIS REASON THE WORLD HATES YOU.
If JWs behave the same as others, how will they stand out so as to be identified and hated?
Did you watch the video?
@@misterauctor7353 : Why? People who put out videos can change TRUTH?
(2 Timothy 3:13) But wicked men and impostors will advance from bad to worse, misleading and being misled.
@@jimjuri6490 Because the video is true.
@@jimjuri6490 You quoted (2 Timothy 3:13) "But wicked men and impostors will advance from bad to worse, misleading and being misled." That's the perfect description of the Governing Body. It's funny how JWs will look at a verse like that and even use it against others, without once considering that it might be about them. JWs buy what the Governing Body says over what scripture says because they're convinced that they need the GB to tell them what the Bible means. It's sad, really.
@@evanwindom : Still trolling on TH-cam!
Run when a simple question is asked.
So are you suggesting that they wrote thier own version of the holy scriptures
Yes
The watchtower teaches that reading the Bible alone you will end up in darkness. They know the Bible doesn’t support there false doctrines,so they made their own translation to fit their theology but every time they change it, it exposes more problems. Eventually the goal is to get the members reading the watchtower magazines, and if you notice in the magazine they decide what the questions should be.
Its very clear in the bible that God is very keen on hygie. So that using the bathroom and taking a shower thing is a weak comparism. David also faught a beast to protect an animal he loved
Did you watch the video?
Religion is an IQ test by definition.
Science > superstition = true
Simple binary math for Christ sake.
The Bible says better the day of death than ones birth. Are they going to have a party when you die.
Where?
The Irish do
Yes most do, some call it a celebration of life. Not a party but its certainly observed
And once again, treating context like it's nothing. Are folks going to throw a party when I die? I hope so. When I die, I will have finished my race, and will truly know that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. So, yeah, party on. 🥳⚰🎉⚰🥳🎉🥳🧁🎂⚰⚰
@@LightoverDarkMinistry And the Cajuns -- oooooh mah gudness, do dey evuh pahdy.
Birthdays was from the beginning in Egypt/Babylon,only the Gods,who was celebrited… Humans was not aloud to do it… And trough the history,many thousands of years,only rich ppl were those celibrating,their birthday… I dont remember if it was in 19th century,or nineteenth of century,poor/working class ppl,were aloud to celebrite their birthday… So birthday was not a good thing,from the beginning… Because it was probably,not the good Gods,that was celibrated their birthday…. ( But the history is also many times,twisted… So who knows…)
Proof?
make it simple...... did Jesus celebrate his birthday?......no he didnt, so why are you?... and he was perfect.. Unless you know more then Jesus
So many questions:
Are you sure?
Source to prove your assertion.
Mary sure, Joseph maybe.
Why would it matter if Jesus did or not.
Lastly, since Jesus was born a Jew did he have a bar mitzvah?
Did Jesus go on TH-cam? Take a Bath? Ride a horse? Go on a hay ride? Birthdays aren’t part of Christian life, it’s cultural. Jesus never condemned cultural practices that were secular.
Did Jesus do wedding anniversaries?
Did Jesus drink the wine he had converted from water? And if so how much?
No doubt he wasn’t teetotaler. 🤔
@@LightoverDarkMinistry no dumb dumb ... youtube wasnt invited yet, im sure he took a bath if he didnt want to smell, if there was a hay ride there why not.... they're not against his FATHER'S teachings.... which is written. hence perfect WITHOUT sin.
Colossians 2:16/17
So you should believe in the Easter bunny and Santa clause
It is well known that pagans washed their socks. Well, that's one less chore I have to do now.
What has washing socks got to do with Pagan religious practices? Nothing is the answer!
I think the reason for this is less sinister and more stupid than you claim. It's probably just that in the early days of the JWs, someone was like "Hey, what if birthdays are evil" and everyone got on board to feel more righteous than the other "false Christians" and now rejecting birthdays has become part of their group identity and they are to proud to take it back.
You don't suddenly become one year older on your birthday. Actually you are just one day older. JWs don't celebrate Christmas either, for obvious reasons. Isn't it some coincidence that Christ has a birthday on the same day as Tammuz, the sun god on December 25? That's some coincidence.
Do you have proof?
@@misterauctor7353 Proof that Dec 25 is also the birthday of the pagan sun god? Any encyclopedia will tell you that. They were celebrating Dec 25 long before Jesus was born.
@@donwhitt9899 Name one.
Mishnah (mAbodah Zarah 1: 1; 1:3 (Neusner,p. 660)
“Before the festivals of gentiles for three days it is forbidden to do business with them ... These are the festivals of gentiles (1) Calends, (2) Saturnalia, (3) Cratetis [the commemoration of the empire], and (4) the emperor’s anniversary, (5) his birthday”
The Imperial Bible-Dictionary Vol I, p. 225:
”The later Hebrews looked on the celebration of birth-days as a part of idolatrous worship, a view which would be abundantly confirmed by what they saw of the common observances associated with these days.”
Everyone read Romans 14. If u celebrate and it is not sin to u, then celebrate!! If it is sin to you then don't celebrate.
Christians don't celebrate themselves
luke 17:10
Proof?
The rulers mentioned in the Bible were celebrating themselves. Christians today celebrate OTHERS, not themselves. And once again, you're ripping a single verse out of context and using it to prove your point, completely separately from how it is used in the Bible. Will you never stop handling scripture in this slap-dash manner?
🤣, really? You have definitely got the ability of reading something into a scripture that isn't there. You have been well trained by WT
@@evanwindom what verse?
@@bretherenlee1404 What verse did you cite? Pay attention, please.