Zest' GENIUS Cannon Rush - Starcraft 2: Zest vs. Ryung
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- Zest doing Zest things by going for a Cannon rush vs. Ryung in the GSL, a chaotic but epic starcraft 2 game follows after.
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I'm the same way. I have no interest in playing the game. I dislike pvp rts in general, because I'm so bad it's not fun to me. I love watching the games though!
The cannon rush execution is pretty standard for that map, it's the throw that's genius here...
Totalbiscuit is 100% cackling at Ryung from the afterlife.
Do you have any proof there's an afterlife aside from "religion"?
Ryung was very patient through out the GSL. Never overextending, truly a masterful game
The time he was impatient was against Maru. And he lost. Patience is the key to high level plays.
I have absolutely no clue how 10 zealots, 5 archons, 11 stalkers, 5 colossi and 2 sentries lost against 13 marauders, 9 ghosts, 13 medivacs and 46 marines @12:55.
It seems like Ryung strategically tanked the 5 colossi with his marauders and 13 medivacs on the right side and pulled his marines back, while Zest's unfortunate blink left with his stalkers had them engaging into pure marines with no colossus support.
By any measure that I would have taken this fight as Terran I would have lost conclusively.
96 supply vs 116 supply and on top of that, stalkers.
It's called stim pack
Ryung played really well, sure Zest threw that but only after the terran has this aggro defense
Greatest comback and greatest throw in hisfory of starcraft 2
Surprised Zest managed to throw that.
The zest special lol
Not to play the pro player card…. But if you were given control of Protoss at any point in that game you’d have lost. Plus Terran had a chance to kill Protoss with his cyclones Marines+scv pull at the start…
I unironically think Zest is matchfixing
@@bodgee1094 I'm a 5k mmr terran player in NA, not a pro player as you said. We're just surprised someone with that much more experience and time put into the game is able to throw a won game. It happens to the best of us, but we've been seeing it occur more commonly for Zest than others.
Zest has always been pretty bad for a pro in long macro games
What a match. So often, matches come down to one or two good plays...
This was just one person climbing slowly out of the ashes.
This was mostly the other player dig their own grave though
@@N0noy1989 i dont feel this like a zest throw, more like ryung outplaying him at each chance given.
Been too long since I saw anything from SC2HL, but you came back with a great video!
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Good morning and thanks for posting!!!!!
Also uploaded a new video two days ago! That one was even better:
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@@SC2HL Thanks! I just watched that one, and it was great too. It was fantastic! Not sure why my recommendations got all screwed up, but I'm glad to see more videos again!
It was so genius how zest lost like that
The cannon rush did get him far ahead ;)
@@SC2HL Nah the cannons were costly and terran catches up fast with mules
cannon rush is the most basic level of cheese I aint impressed. Zest is all macro and not enough micro. Archons vs emp... really?
Or just that TvP late game becomes unwinnable for protoss past a certain point because EMP removes like 50% of the protoss's army while also making psystorm useless and protoss late units are bad nowadays.
@@Pher0cious yes ofc im sure you wouldve done better lad
@@suzuki-qo4rm I'm glad you agree. LAD
at 11 minutes im surprised zest didn't fly his useless carriers out of there. Seems like quite an error.
Yea, you're probably rather right about this.
I'm a simple man. I see cannon rush, I click.
Zest threw that game. Lost like every fight.
Archons vs emp
really?
Yep, After his cheese he had a slight advantage and was able to maintain and expand his lead slightly through a larger economy.
However, he treated it like he had this overwhelming lead and played it out a bit like as if he was zerg faceplanting gate units when he should have been using his economic advantage for a greater tech and higher tier unit advantage.
If his first big push on max was delayed by about a minute, trading out some of the stalkers for a few more colossus, rush zealots, and a few phoenixes (mostly to remove the medivacs) with a tech upgrade he'd have crippled Ryung's army to the point a quick warp gate rush zealot on the follow up probably wins the game flat out.
As the Protos upgrades are your bread and butter and of all the races and economic advantage is the weakest for the protoss as both Z and T can negate an economic advantage against protoss fairly quickly.
@@vampuricknight1 Exactly my thoughts, he kinda played it like he was a zerg, swarming the terran player with his overwhelming amount of resources converged into units until the terran is out of steam. If he was a bit more cautious, and just contained ryung, until building up a death ball, he could have win.
I thought for sure 2-3 times Ryung was dead.
You're not fully cheesed until you're Zestfully cheesed
I love the fact that the title didn't spoil the result, cause this definitely wasn't about the genius cannon play.
Good to know that even since 2012, marines beat anything lol
For ryung to survive and then come back like that from the likes of zest, Was truly legendary
Terran vs Protoss: hi, it's your old friend EMP. You know how half your HP is in shields? We have a move that instantly removes those. Have fun!
And if you are fielding archons about 90%
Haven’t watched an sc2 game in a while. I am so happy to see GSL finally using the health bar on damaged units setting
Can't believe Ryung held that cannon rush and went on to win. Amazing game! Well played Ryung!
at like 13:30 we see a chain of reinforcements from ryung, they are all missing a tiny bit of hp
he was actively stimming units out of his main to reinforce during his macro rotations, pretty insane.
oh shit never realized, cool that you pointed that out
I'm not saying it is, but how do you know it's not just F2? Whenever I F2 my units across the map this usually happens.
@@methodcafe Only protoss players use F2
Ryung clearly listened when people said "micro like maru". That defence against a massive lead was impeccable.
Zest did kinda feck up the macro game though. Carriers into throw. Must have been shook after that cannon rush got pushed back
I'll be honest, I had no idea that pincer maneuver was coming at the end. Ryung is a total terran BOSS.
halfway through, I felt really bad for Ryung, but he kept doing the right things and Zest kept trading inefficiently over and over again so Ryung finally took the lead! That was the best underdog game I ever watched. Well done, Ryung!
Epic comeback, and epic comeback victory! Ryung was so tenacious there. That was maybe one of the most tenacious efforts and performances ever, in all of SC2.
cheers to whoever wrote the description for this awesome game. XD
I use this channel to train my English listening skills
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8:59 bless you
EMPs are OP! I can't believe that we had this game for 10 years, and we still have a spell that can erase a 100 shield with one click over a radius. One Ghost can have the damage output of 16 L1 Marines assuming they both attack one target. Given that the EMP Radium can have easily 5 Toss Units. That means a single freaking EMP can have equal the damage of 80 L1 Marines against Toss units that have more than 100 Shield!
Insane!
Ghost having EMP has literally been a thing since the original, and while it was good it was never some ZOMG OP nerf plox thing. Then again the original SC didn't have a select all army button for you to try and deathball with so armies tended to spread out a lot more naturally meaning AoE could be more easily mitigated.
If AoE is killing you, spread your army out. Zest did his damnest to deathball roll over Ryung and Ryung made him pay for it.
@@Kingofredeyes bs, so many pro players get hit with an EMP that takes out the sheilds of a squadron of Stalkers or Zealots or whatever. My APM is around 100, if the pro player cannot escape it most of thr time, then I have no chance.
@@Aymanzendo911 pro players are also using the "select whole army" hotkey. It's frankly a noob key that needs to die, in every RTS, but to many people just look at it as a "quality of life" change instead of the noob trap it is.
@@Kingofredeyes lol. Calling Zest a Noob. Good one. Think you would beat him?
@@stellatrabucco4494 pointing out the use of a noob key isn't calling someone a noob, it's pointing out that the select all key is a net negative in the game that actually baits players into poor unit control.
What a throw! Zest lost two big carrier balls and ryung stuck the landing!
Its insane how these guys don't panic in those games. I wish i could keep this cool.
15:31 that was pretty much all our faces.
Good example of how OP Terran is.
Out of all the pro players I think Zest is the most creative, in both winning and throwing his game.
As a Terrian fan, this game was a fucking treat! Like holy shit! That killing blow with those perfectly placed little bio ball was chef kiss
That match was CRAZY
This really demonstrates how frustrating it is for terran to play TvP. The toss cannon rushed, the terran held it as best as he possibly could, but even so the terran is unable to go punish the toss afterwards because he can just instantly transition into mass gateway units and then expand to FIVE BASES while the terran has to struggle to even get to 3 bases. Such good balance.
Artosis and having chills, name a more iconic duo
For the longest time I kept hearing people cry a3bout protoss ball and thinking why would you not use ghosts in your composition. And people looked at me like I am the crazy one.
That was insane, up a 4k mineral bank, although zest sat on a lot of minerals, ryung just handled the agression. on the last major fight where zest lost the colossus he really messed up by not having the templar, he had ryung on his heels and shouldve focused on agression by having those templar in the fight. GG tho
Zest threw his huge lead in that game and thought his macro would win. Where were the disruptors or mass carriers? He just had gateway units with some high tech units for support against a turtle terran.
slow and steady wins the race
This is the biggest throw in sc2 history.
This is a masterpiece.. those who don't give up will be rewarded.. not to mention those who underestimate your enemy cause massive advantage.. will suffer heavy losses..
Wow, I honestly thought Zest had it when his mineral/gas bank was WAAAAAY higher than Ryung's. He got too reckless with the trades. The barrack and command center placements by Ryung were also genius plays. it made it so hard for the 'toss ball to roll out.
The way Ryung doing an epic comeback is absolutely GG 👍👍
The comeback is truly amazing
I can't believe that comeback. That was insane.
The cannon rush was cute and all but that game was insane!
cannon rush is for nubs with no other skills not impressed
Daaaaaamn. Zest got put on full tilt!!!
WoW won't even compare this to Maru. Officially The Ryung comeback. Insane gamer.
Wow. Ryung had no business winning that! What a comeback. Or what a throw, depending on who's side you're on ;) Great game and great casting nevertheless
Zest messed up on upgrades only having 1armor for ground, that's the main reason why his ground got demolished
Wow what a comeback
Ryung has attained Maru-levels of refusing to die
People are saying Zest threw. What exactly should he have done? Take more than 6 bases vs Terran's 3?
Take better engagements I guess?
Good Disruptor usage.
@@lynk_1240 Disrupters are a 90% useless unit at high level play other than for zoning. They just occasionally get massive hits, but are very rare at high level play. Honestly should be replaced with something else imho.
He could do a lot.
1. Not lose the complexity in his army.
2. Not take disastrous fights.
3. Actually leverage his economic advantage by adding a crapton of gates and using it to overwhelm Ryung.
4. Just trade equally until Ryung is dry. Don't let him expand easily.
5. Disruptors + HT.
The second Zest saw ghost he should have stopped making archons. 100 minerals and 300 gas is just to expensive for a 10 hp unit. I do wish EMP was more like storm though because 100 shield damage in a 10 aoe range instantly has always felt to strong since two full ghosts can completely eliminate protess shields in a second flat.
Not as good as Maru’s comeback against HeroMarine, but definitely a good one.
Wow you gotta be feeling good about how that game went. What a turnaround
I gotta be eating something while watching your uploads.
Ryungs defence vs that army was crazy. Any normal human would have died 30- times over to that army. Holy shit, the fights he took were unbelievable.
Feel like Zest just kinda forgot disruptors exist halfway through the game, or maybe was just hoping to get away with not using them, but either way he was winning fights until he just stopped making balls.
NERF
...
GHOSTS!!!
This SHOULDN'T have gone the way that it did. Ya got ONE unit that counters EVERYTHING that protoss puts out with a blanket of 100% shield dmg which also kills psy storm...
Just, no. Stop. Take the power you've given the ghosts and put it into terran's other units. Watching terran ghost play is almost always either boring or frustrating to watch.
Well what unit do you reckon can be the backbone of a Terran army in a TvP and fill shoes of ghosts? The core of a Protoss army lies in it’s splash damage where even if HT’s become obsolete do to EMP’s there are are still 2 other forms of AOE the Terrans still have to work around with from dodging disruptor shots to dealing with colossus’s with over committing against them so your core army still has enough fire power.
Zest threw this game by just continuing to produce Carriers which were mostly ineffective, where he could have won by simply if he used those resources on a couple more colossus’s.
@@bayasgalantsogtgerel3346 P need a unit that can actually win battles consistently instead of contextual bullshit units. We all know if T or Z was in the same economic position P is just dead. Even with face roll micro. Imagine if storm did all 80 damage instantly to Bio, that is ghosts to P gateway, T doesn't even need AOE to annihilate a Protoss ball in reality. In fact EMP used to do 100% shield damage with a 2.5 radius in WOL, the best T players still didn't make Ghosts every game. Now that they are forced to think about it we can see how insanely strong nullifying P units only advantage, shield HP actually is.
Not to mention ghost counters every single zerg unit due to snipe.
@@chinogambino9375 The reason why Ghost’s weren’t used much in the pro scene in WOL was mostly due to the fact Terrans didn’t have to rely on it to win late game against Protoss and there wasn’t really that much need to tech into a gas heavy unit when the games were low eco.
Terran is literally the best and most cost efficient race when it comes to defending positions, and even if I was economically in Zest’s position as a Zerg(I play zerg), if I made multiple poor engagements along with a army comp that literally was being already countered by the Terran, after 3 waves of course they Terran will stabilize and be on even footing. In TvT the defending player always has the advantage thus the same could be said about the same scenario in a TvT. In all 3 matchups you have to have had better engagements and more suitable army comp to deal with the turtling Terran.
If Ghost’s are to be nerfed(I have no qualms about it, as it benefits Z’s and P’s) Terran need another alternative to beat Z’s and P’s in late game and they have no other unit that can directly fill the role of ghost’s unless the unit gets completely reworked.
@@bayasgalantsogtgerel3346 If you cut the balls off both snipe for zerg and emp for protoss, and traded them to buff literally every unit terran has with 1 to 2 dmg, it'd still be a thousand times more fun to watch terran match-ups, and honest to god, even with EVERY OTHER UNIT BUFFED, it'd still probably be easier to take down than 20 fucking ghosts.
Ghosts are NOT a backbone for the terran, they are a >>>CRUTCH
A Tasteless hold my beer moment.
that was a crazy game for real, this was excellent
what a throw
really gg! and top commentary too.
Massing archons vs ghosts, pro gamer move
One of the best games I've ever seen!
The second I would have seen a turret at my base I would've quit. I can't handle any rush.
2:40 why can the cannon shoot the bunker but the marines cant shoot the cannon? Shouldnt they both be the same range?
the cannon has 1 more range :c
@@Pepe-nz4xm but the sc2 wiki says marines have 5 range , and gain +2 when in bunkers. and protoss cannon has a range of 7. thats the same or what am i missing?
@@tonipernar8745 the bunker has a size of 3x3 the count of the range stars in the center of this scuare, but the hit box of the bunker its in all bunker, that it means in the practice a cannon have 1 more range (this is my theory i dont now is this information its true)
what a crazy and not give up play by ryung.
This is why you don't make carriers kids. So much income yet he stopped making disruptors. Terran just dived bombed into him every time.
Wow I did not expect ryung to pull that off
nice counterattack
It’s insane how easy it is to comeback with widow mines and training the same units all game.
Yeah, spam your fastest, cheapest barracks unit ftw.
what was insane was the ryung min maxing at each engage, i dont know if u guys are memeing or something but this was much more ryung outplaying zest that what composition was deployed...
hopefully memes and not just a silly hot take haha
Ryung is METAL as fuck! WHAT A BEAST!
The gst this time is epic. So many close matches and upsets, seeing hero, creator and ryung play so well is awesome. Obviously the zerg imba is still there so they are still winning no matter what and will probably win the series as well but if you can ignore them the other matches are awesome
Still with the whining about Zerg? Can't just accept it's the players aren't the same level? Zest was the previous GSL champ and look what nonsense he did this time around? Got knocked out of the group stages. herO is supposed to be the next Protoss torchbearer, but if someone aggros him first, he crumbles. Zoun is the Protoss who got far in IEM Katowice 2022, and what did he do this GSL? Played dumb and got knocked out in the groups like Zest. Creator is improving, but still so far away from the top.
For Terrans, there's Maru. You see the BS Maru is doing in GSL right now? Just throwing games that people start to suspect he's either wasted or intentionally losing. Cure is like Zest, capable of great things, also capable of great throws. Byun has his wrist in offline tournaments, which means he can never try for worlds again. Bunny kinda there kinda not. Ryung is doing great now, but I'm not sure if he can maintain that.
And you're going to compare these guys to Dark and Rogue? BTW, Zest beat Dark at the finals last GSL. I don't see anyone complaining about balance. And then when Zest plays like ass, it's the Zerg's race fault? Come on. Protoss and Terran just don't have any god-tier players.
Reynor practices vs 5 GMs in Archon mode. Serral is even above that, just playing with all Koreans of all races like they are babies in the last IEM Katowice. If Serral and Reynor transfer races, then that race will be the top. Simple as that. Reynor and Clem switched races before and Reynor's Terran trashed Clem's Zerg. It's the players not the race.
Ля, до последнего не сдался, от зафотонивания до лейта, крута :з
"He is starting to believe"
I don’t get what’s so “genius” about this rush.
Every Protoss cannon rushes and the most efficient way to do it now is to put your pylon and cannons in the enemy natural on the low ground and have an extra probe on high ground for vision and to eventually place a pylon. Even if it doesn’t win you the game, so long as you continue to build up at home and don’t overextend placing extra unnecessary structures you can still win having your opponent on the defense at least mentally. However at pro league levels, cannon rushes aren’t as effective since players know how expensive it is mineral wise, those cannons cost 150 each and one pylon plus two cannons is the same cost as a nexus. If you are building cannons you are most likely not building probes or units.
It’s just a title to get more views is all. Great video though
you answered your question. this is GSL level. cannon rush is done at bronze level, every single one of these pros know how to beat a cannon rush, so making a cannon rush work in the top level is amazing in terms of timing and mind games.
this game showed a failed cannon rush though, so SC2HL's title must be just to bait views but no, it's not a genius cannon rush. Zest overproduced cannons and failed to kill Ryung outright. His recovery was impressive though: he took high risk by mass expanding and it paid off, too bad he was probably tilted and lost every single engagement he should have won.
@@shapowlow The video didn't show a failed cannon rush. The Protoss was wildly ahead after the early game. If a strategy places you in a very favoured position to win, it doesn't matter that it doesn't kill outright. The strategy was succesful.
We're definitely agreed on him throwing most engagements later in the game though. As much as Ryung played amazingly, that was definitely Zests game to lose.
@@jeroenstolp9889 actually i think it's more of ryung failing to punish Zest on a massively whiffed cannon rush. I think if he moved out with his cyclone instead of removing all cannons, he would have made it in time to catch Zest off guard, but this is just a speculation from a low master player haha. These guys are effing GSL players so I guess you're right. He probably pushed way far ahead because of the cannon rush.
@@shapowlow I think this is more a matter of perspective. The way I see it, IF Ryung did punish the mistakes in the cannon rush, it would have been a failed rush. Since the mistakes were not punished, it didn't fail, and the rush placed him solidly ahead. You're honestly probably right on the cyclone call, but as another low master player here, I am not going to pretend like I would've played perfectly in that scenario.
Nice video !
What a legendary game. Don't know how Ryung hung in there.
Did I just see a comeback of bio vs T3 protoss, 1 mining base vs 5 mining bases??
I don't remember seeing Feedback used in this game. There were sooo many Medivacs
thermal lance if you're going to float minerals and get that many giraffes
“Go into a normal game?”
There is no such thing in StarCraft as a “Normal Game”!
What a grind by Ryung. Great game
Are we sure that Ryung is not Maru's smurf account? I've only ever seen Maru pull off that kind of recovery.
Wow - crazy game!
What an amazing game! Thank you for not spoiling the ending with the video title! :)
It's easy to be good when EMPs are REALLY OP!
git gud
Such a horror, how is Terran so strong to be able to take on 6 base protoss.
You mean the player, right?
clear display how mules are the best units in the game. if he wasn't terran there would be no coming back from this.
Welcome back!
Wow. Just wow. Terran Terran Terran... Ole Ole Ole Ole....
Ryung doesnt need to dodge the bullets, he can see the matrix
Even pros throw games with mass archons warp ins to fight a good chunk of ghosts.