Three Professional Cannon Rushes - StarCraft 2
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ต.ค. 2020
- Three very different cannon rushes with different outcomes! Some delicious Protoss cheese
- ESL Starcraft 2 2020: Probe vs. Rogue - / esl_sc2
- AlphaX King of Battles: Neeb vs Mana (Game 2) - www.twitch.tv/videos/75286883...
- AlphaX Kings of Battles: Neeb vs. Mana (Game 3) - www.twitch.tv/videos/75286883...
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That last game went very quickly from 'how does Mana ever win this?!' to 'how does Neeb ever win this?!'
Like a fight scene in a movie where Need shows all his Martial Arts moves in a very flashy way, Mana just walks up to him and kicks 'm in the nuts
Mana killed like 20ish probes with one void ray. That alone already balanced out the damage I suppose.
Neeb got kicked so hard he became Need.
The kick in the nuts was when mana recalled all his probes.
That was WILD!!
Well the last game was Neeb being completely unfocused. He should have realized that what he saw in Mana's base wasnt enough for the current economy. He completely misjudged the existing infustracture. If he was focused he would realize that there has to be smthng proxied and be a bit more prepared.
We were promised cannon rushes, and we got two of the best cannon-rush-into-thrown-game ever, wew.
That first match of immortals vs queens was like watching two heavyweight wrestlers trying to beat the other down with pool noodles
How to beat Cannon rush: Sneak out a worker while protoss isn't looking.
It's very satisfying.
Once my probe was on a way to scout enemy toss early and found out cannon rush. I have left my probe on his side on the map and later have hidden it in his main.
I wonder how his face looked like, when he realised he have void rays, cannons and batteries all at once in his main.
Cannonrushing a cannonrusher is a great satisfaction ^^
(After defending my main, my void production had rally point across the map, when I had 2 voids and he seen my buildings he just gged)
@@dallarian8687 It may be satisfying, however its absofucking lutely one of the stupidest reactions. It makes you base trade someone who has a SHIT TON more cannons and batterries (since you wont be able to defend a 1 base all in when you proxy, and most importantly if the toss isnt garbage, they’ll see the probe (theese pros wont let you sneak a probe in their main without it being caught. If you further have a scout out, well you can be damn sure that they’ll check their base for proxies. (As someone who cannon rushes this is extremely frustrating as it shows you how little minimap awareness you have. (Fyi im way better at macroing than microing usually therefore cannon rush isnt actually good for me but its fun))
@@snowdrop9810 I wouldn't say so. The situation was already after successfully defending cannon rush.
Double stargate was in my main as a standard reaction to cannon rush (view "Never lose to cannon rush again - Harstem hour"). I was on my way for void rays battles, my technology was beating his. He had only 1 cannon and it was on his ramp.
Batteries and cannons in his main were just an addition, a small surprise that immediately finished the game in my favour. I waited with creation of "the outpost" to check if he's going to scout that. Timing for buildings was set for my 2nd voidray. Even if he scouted, loss of 1 pylon wouldn't make a difference.
I wouldn't call that a base trade. My Void Rays printer was doing brrrrrrr and he had 2 sentries + 3 stalkers when I attacked. I would have 4 voids before his more stalkers would arrive on the battlefield. Yes, getting expansion, perhaps going for +1 would be safer, but I could finish the game in 2 minutes, so I did it.
@@dallarian8687 ah yea, i thought you did something else. Still, its risky af, as you’ve pointed out the harstem hour never lose to cannon rush guide, printf actually managed to get him eventhough he was prepared and ready with the defense. This is why propably just sticking to defending it is the best idea. İf they dont get a follow up, well its propably gonna be a win anyway (scouting is really nice to have, and propably a single stalker can end most of a contain, and if its a contain you just get a robo and immortal go boom boom and you have a tech advantage thats really big so you prob win.)
@@dallarian8687 also, another thing id like to mention is, if you managed to sneak a probe and a cannon, just hide 1 cannon then get 2-3 cannons able to shoot the nexus. (Cancel 3rd one if none died/were cancelled.) disrupting their mining just makes your voidray count surpass them by a massive margin and you win.
Neeb with the most beautiful throw I have ever seen
Not saying you're wrong, but what do you think he should have done?
@@DaCooGa Scouting that proxy was the one thing tbh, he didn't wonder how his opponent had just 2 gates + 1 cyber, yet was mining 2 gases full on since quite early - the missing stargate should have been at least thought of (and then scouting to just see where it's located).
@@damienpoblete Gotcha, that actually makes perfect sense lol.
@@DaCooGa Also send all his mining probes to destroy that stargate and pylons since they were close and he didn't need money from that point really.
Last time I was this early, I got my hatch down without being blocked
Last time i was this early 6 pool was viable strategy
I never get tired watching high level cannon rushes.
probe's reaction at 0:11 seconds was funny
Is it just me or does Rushi really sound like Nathanias
The last game was brilliant!
nice decision
Probe's face when he put that pylon underneath the overseer was golden
pls time stamp
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OVERLORD
I thought Mana was entirely screwed, when he started the recall my jaw hit the floor
omg that last game! I honestly thought MaNa was done for. That sneaky base when he hit 400 minerals was clutch!
And the recall, omg so sick
I think the whole point of canon rushing is keeping your opponent in one base tho
Last one was sick! Way worth the watch!
Rogue is a god, not only defending the cannons with just lings and queens he also refused to die.
Yea, he was smart to sneak the drones out of the main and natural. Because however strong the proxy immortals are, without batteries they are shit. And protoss being on one base and investing everything into the batteries and cannons is basically all in with no second chance. Rogue was so good at seeing the amount of cannons and batteries knowing how much resources was invested and choose to do the mass expand strat instead of going roaches and ravagers. And yea, its impressive how much time he bought with just lings and queens to make his strat work.
@@skychaos87 exactly. The high level of playing and understanding he is showing is unreal and his unorthodox approach is also used in like lategame scenarios as well
Remember, it wasn't just lings and queens. Spines and overlords played a big part as well
In the first game Zerg looked stoopid, but probably he wasn't planning to win top right, he was trying to just last longer.
In the last one wasn't it a big mistake from Neeb giving off all his probes to a single void ray?
I agree. Always pull the probes!
Neeb should have known pretty soon since Mana wasn't being revealed. I think he still loses though given the second void ray so Neeb wouldn't have been able to mine more anyway. He would have needed to get cannons in his main to defend before the void ray came.
Omg, the last game... Everybody lost a faith, but he did it!
The funniest games to play & watch are the ones where people proxy cannon rush/star gate/gate and when the opponent doesn’t surrender & survives.
How crazy the games get, awkward armies getting developed, like Phoenix-Sentry heavy army.
Probe could have won that if he didn’t rush right away and kill all his immortals
He was already higher up on resources and rogue had to restart all his buildings
If he jusr wasted and got upgrades and a bigger army
He would have won
He would have a better chance if he made a pylon, some cannons, batteries and pushed with them. But Rogue took that base, because unlike the main and natural it is very open. You can't do the same thing you do as protoss. Probe might have a big army, but he could only produce immortals, which trade terrible against lings. He also was running very low on minerals while rogue had 3 bases to mine from.
If he just sits back and macroes, well rogue is on 3 base with more drones so he would outmacro him. At the same time. Rogue can just make a spire, which would be game over. Probe was very much behind at that point. You have to contain the zerg. When he scouted that bottom left base, probe should have taken the warp prism and 2 immortals to kill it.
I think a pylon + a cannon or two when he discovered the hatchery would solve the problem.
@theMoonrider I disagree, there is no one in the world that can micro 7 immortals with a warp prism against mass lings and queens in an open field on creep. The only thing that enables protoss to do that in the first place is the safe position of batteries and cannons outside the natural, while the ramps make queen movement difficult.
Game 1 best describes the ridiculousness of cannon rush into immortal battery. The fact that a vastly inferior player like probe almost took a free win against one of the best players in the world speaks volumes about the "balance" of this broken game.
Well, so long, SC2, and thanks for all the fish.
It depends I agree tho that he was very impatient immortals are good Exept they can get surrounded easily I would have used the immortals to Harras the outside bases instead of going straight into the natural then use the warp prism for cover cause rogue had 3 bases but he was jusr starting his production after he was cannon spammed if he jusr composed his and took out the bases taht were not around the natural he would have won
That was some nice thrown game. Love it.
Two really good games. Nice.
Game 1 what a come back!
These comebacks are insane!!!!!!
Best recaps ever?
That hero shield battery in the last game
That game 3 tho. There are two gateways, one is warping a stalker, one is not. What do you target fire? The one that is not
Also could of just killed the python way faster.
I still don't understand why battery shields start with full energy.
Lol maybe so that protoss doesn't completely suck? They're the worst race atm anyway.
you honestly don't understand why a building whose one of the primary functions is to reactively defend rushes is functional as soon as it is complete? protoss already has cannons as preemptive static defense, do you really not get why they added in batteries despite that?
My jaw is out after last game
The second was exactly the same as the one I had yesterday
In the last game, how did the stargate completed and made a void Ray if the Cybernetics core was unpowered?
11 Months late but unpowered buildings still satisfy tech requirements, they just can't perform research or produce units.
gotta love when rushers get pwned
Didn't know Michael Cera was a cannon rusher
2/3 are not Professional Canon Rush, they are Professional Defend & Counter Cannon Rush
I actually like it very much that we didn't know how will they finish. Glad they didn't say it in the title that 2 of them would be counters.
Imagine a cannon rush vs a cannon rush
" zerg is op " funny how i don't hear that when it's not serral playing
It's still op. Jk, I just really hate the long tongue flying walking trash that Zerg has.
@@thovinh5386 sry are you talking about a unit? wich one is it i didn't get it
The Viper
@@thovinh5386 ooh yeah
Mana came back like fucking rocky
D I S G U S T I N G. I love it
Bisu is really good
more like three UNPROFESSIONAL cannon rushes
well not really the 2nd one was successful
GG MANA!
Rogue what a boss. Three or four times it looked hopeless but what do I know 🤷🏻♂️
Oh man, this cheese is fantastic!
Very brave, and micro
I didn't know you could do this in the game anymore
Mana is genius
What bothers me about the first game is protoss saw the hatchery in the bottom right and left it completely alone, one pylon and one cannon would've taken care of it. What a throw.
Probe's facial expression whole game - this is not fun. I am not having fun
Oh wow snute playing protoss now
have you finally turned vsync on?! Good job
Kinda bad from the commentators to not see the huge potential of the Void Ray! Also Neeb overinvested in Cannons as he was obivously winning the position regardless of what Mana would've done...
The chances of Mana winning that last game was low.....but not zero.
derp gas n00b
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Is it me or it was an insane mistake not to send the lings to the Protoss's base?
Either they straight up kill his economy production, or a minimum make him invest some money in defense instead of offense.
Probe would need one defensive cannon to be okay. Having the lings at home is also nice to try and slow down the rate that Probe can build cannons+batteries forwards. It's not an easy decision.
The whole problem was not respecting the initial forward buildings shenanigans
Probe should be in jail for that disgusting display of protoss. War crime. Bravo.
Holy shit Mana is a god.
epic
Probe legit looks like Snute imo.
i thought that was snute for a second
Probe should have gone top left first imo
Queens are balanced
VOID RAY FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Man, Probe over extended and paid the price. Great game still
oh the last game...
N-A! N-A! N-A!
Seeing the voidray just stay on target, no micro, is kinda nice.
First game is Rogue vs Snute
Only 1 in 3 worked lol🤣♟🎯
So NA starcratf level is similar to LoL's?
Batteries should require a nexus close by. It's ridiculous
Neeb got what he deserved in game 3
I hate how op batteries are
early noti squad first
Seeing those immortals go down was the greatest thing I've ever seen
YESSSSS, so satisfyting
Not gonna lie, I wanted at least one dirty cheeser to win. Oh well.
Seeing the protos loosing the game in the first matchup felt good. Fucking protos..
Mana used some Polish Ingenuity in last game, i think he was still mining gas cause he wanted to keep his voidray production going.
Rushi? Isnt that Nathanias?!
Its not! They sound quite similar ;)
@@SC2HL wooooah... That is crazy! Got my mind srsly f... blown 😮
I'm gonna be angry if the Cannon Rusher wins every time.
NOT ANGERY! Thanks for the video.
I actually really get sad when a cheese fails. Long macro games/allins are fine but cheeses are the most fun tbh
I love it when cannon rushers lose the game.
I don't understand why the guy in the first game surrendered when he lost his immortals? He would have had a ton of time to build an army or make a new base among all those canons and batteries in his opponents natural...
It would quickly have been 5 mining Zerg bases to 1.5 Protoss bases so there was no chance
Can't 2 stalkers beat 1 void ray?
Nerf the viper
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00:35 Rogue could have dropped creep with the overlord. 1000 IQ move
he is not "Has" lol
Neeb threw that third game so hard. That hurt to watch.
early squad where you at?
Not seeing why probe surrendered.
It was 2 base zerg vs barely 1 base toss. He kinda threw his army away, but after he lost his army he knows he cant come back to win with almost no economy; loss was inevitable imo.
@@iLoveLamp222 it was still far from over.
was the first game really lost? last game was great
It would be a bit more balanced to remove shields from warp prisms and make them health only units. It’s kind of ridiculous that he can constantly leap frog immortals in and out of a prism and the prism can be healed by the shield batteries making it impossible to kill with the queens. If he could kill the prism he could maybe take the immortal fight with a ling surround but how do you ever kill that prism when it’s being shield healed.
so happy for the first game. toss players are so garbage even with powermortals and prism infinite utility can't close out a match against a no gas zerg
Stop using name like time has rogue(roach) probe....it mess up sentence😅
Early people club
Early gang
Nub first game didn’t recall?
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Please delete the 1st part of this vid. Cant have anyone on ladder doing this to me :( zerg tears
Cannon Rush for gay