Marvel's Spider Man Can't Stand Out
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You sound like a good pick for a Younger Peter/Spider-Man VA although I’m sure you’ve never heard that b4 🤔.
Batman The Brave And The Bold Video WHEN??
nah
No I don’t think i will
Don't forget the hyphen between Spider and Man
The new hip trend for all Spiderman shows is to see how quickly the writers can speedrun Miles and Gwen into the story as other Spider heroes.
And it's for the worse.
Tons of people out there want Spider-Gwen in the Insomniac games.
Miles had an entire origin story in literally minutes within a single episode. It's so laughable.
@@uncannydcmarvelous5732they better not. I hate it when superhero shows give everyone superpowers like in the flash. I was kinda worried when miles got powers in the first game but insomniac did a really good job with fleshing out miles character and his dynamic with Peter.
@@uncannydcmarvelous5732so? She's a good character I don't see a problem with adding her
@@ironmaster6496And there's your problem right there lol. You just want the character to be added because she's popular now without any interesting thought or narrative.
Don't know why some writers don't seem to be able to write "nerdy" characters without having them spout insanely forced babble at the weirdest and most contrived moments. It's like the Sodium Chloride meme 😅
They write them like their the literal nerd emoji🤓
Maybe it's a budget thing like that magic guardian spice
@@Elvusmiw if you need to get paid to write a human as a normal human being I don't think you should be a writer
It's hard to write a smart character when you're not too smart yourself. The easiest way to do it is to interject random scientific techno-babble that may not even make sense. I assume that's what happened here.
It doesn’t even make sense to have them babble like that either. One of the first things you learn in academic writing is simplifying the subject as much as you can for the common Joe.
Spectacular Spider-Man spoiled me on quipping for Spidey. And not every joke in that show worked, sometimes being too wordy or sometimes too pretentious sounding, but 85-90% of the jokes hit perfectly. And part of it is almost entirely on the delivery. Josh Keaton’s delivery of lines with a slight stutter did a lot to add to authenticity of his lines. “Heeey I got the thing on the thing! W-what do I win?!” “YOU!” “I win me…?!….That makes no sense”. That’s a bit that works entirely because of delivery.
Spectacular is a great show to get your kid into Spider Man using, so is the 1994 show! This 2017 Spider Man toon is so bad, even the late 90s Avengers cartoon looks like Batman: The Animated Series by comparison!
One of the Spidey quips that will never leave my mind is "Hey! Wallcrawling's my shtick! You start spinning webs and I'll sue!"
Well "Quips" thing in general was how Spidey during early years was trying to keep himself going in spite of being quite scared. So his teenage self stuttering/stumbling when trying to come up with a quip made it look even more natural. Later on he just got so used to doing so he keeps doing it even in situation where he no longer needs it to keep going. It became a habit.
You are saying that like he stuttered ever EVER early on in his career: no it was the Clark Kent effect so nobody would ever suspect Peter Parker even though he would disappear when Spider-Man would show up to the emergencies. There is nowhere he was stuttering or nervous in the old comics you’re just a kid who trying to sound like he’s read the comics so he must know something when I’m reality it’s fine if you just like the show you don’t need to make shit up you can like things. Spider-Man’s quipping is trash here and it doesn’t have to be, it’s been done better. You just don’t understand the character my friend, not as well as you think. This show is NOT true to Spider-Man don’t think the comics are going to back up content in a lazy tv show. Good luck man ask your mom to take you to a Barnes and Noble and cop some Spider-Man comics. Kravens last hunt is good. Spider-Man Blue is good. Just a omnibus of the 1st volume is always a great choice
@@Trevelan🤓☝️
This show suffered Disney's curse at the time where every third season of a show got majorly screwed over, Big Hero 6 got downgraded to 11 minute comedy focused episodes , Ducktales 2017's plot going all over the place and suffering for it , Star VS becoming an entirely different show tone wise, this and Owl House getting stuck with a handful of 45 minute episodes to basically finish the loose ends.
And I will say it, Scott Menville killed it as Doc Ock
And Ghost & Molly McGee having its 3rd season cancelled, despite already being greenlit
We need new leadership. Fast.
Yep and they keep releasing the most shitiest movies or live action remakes ever year. They honestly don't give a damn about how much money they're losing at this point.
@@CipherRage-tp5ql until they go bankrupt
The "I was positive I'd run into you someday' to Mr. Negative is a top notch quip, then he ruined it by congratulating himself on it.
It really seems like writers struggle to get the quips right for some reason
Being part the participation trophy generation will do that to the things you make.
@@Saint_Wolf_ what
@@akor7035 if you don't get it you don't get it.
@@normalyoutubechannelcarryo8567 Yea it was the boomers who got all the participation trophies.
For a moment I believed the title referred to the game and panicked.
Still applicable
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@@aniki6575 It kinda does tho so not really.
I thought the same but I hoped because the game needs to be taken down a peg.
Why would you panic over a opinon? The fuck? 😂
Between this show turning Miles into Spider-Man in 10 episodes, and Ultimate taking him from his home dimension to make him a prominent side character in later seasons, it’s a wonder why they don’t just give the kid his own show.
It’s probably because he isn’t the spider-man kids think of.
Yeah, Miles Morales should get his own cartoon show, like have Peter be his mentor, not be dead or be around the same age as him, and have him be a semi-retired adult superhero who occasionally help out Miles while also help train cause he want to see him grow as his own hero.
@Pokechrome Maybe, but even then the Spider-verse movies are doing very well at the moment.
@@gazem_3211 the first episode with miles in it was released on September 30, 2017. Almost a year before itsv. But it could’ve also been a way to get kids familiar with miles before the movie.
My only problem with Spider-Man getting his own spider team is that it keeps happening too early
Give him a few years alone to develop them give him some allies one at a time but allow some time to breathe after each new addition
And also having Miles be spider-man while Peter is still a teen and alive. A important part of Miles character is that he couldn’t save Peter so he tries to fulfill the shoes and carry on the legacy of Spider-man. And with the struggles of being not only the new spider-man, but also the problems that being spider-man has.
No show will ever progress to that point before getting cancelled or have a rushed ending. Not unless it starts with an already seasoned Peter or the plot incorporates year long timeskips every season
at least the playstation spidey got 8 years of experience before miles came in, and from the looks of it, spoiler
silk is gonna be there too in the next game or dlc so let's goo
@@neo-fx8qdI prefer him as Peter's Robin over his successor anyway, part of Peter growing up is getting over his whole "I work alone" bullshit
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69I really think miles being like Peter's robin could work. The problem is that writers are so desperate to get to the point where peter steps down or dies rather than us seeing the buildup. With ps4 for example, it took 1 and a half games for Miles to take over. Yes, we are told that Peter has been spiderman for nearly a decade, but we don't ever even see that. Miles comes in and is just perfect already
One complaint I have for this show is that the stakes are basically nonexistent. When Peter’s identity is outed by Connors it’s treated as a minor inconvenience rather then a huge deal. Compare this to when Spectacular and MCU Spider-Man got their identities outed. Spectacular was worried about his villains attacking his loved ones if his identity came out, meanwhile MCU Peter’s life was basically ruined to where he and his friends couldn’t get into college cause the whole world thought he killed Mysterio.
As well as law enforcement hounding him in his personal life, and in the mcu Jonah going after him. Personally I can see depending on the version of Jonah like the one from the 90s cartoon somewhat in denial like “there’s no way that goofy kid is Spider-Man”. Because he secretly does like Peter but doesn’t wanna show it.
The first episode Miles’ was in, miles’ identity was outed and seen, then in the next episode they continue like nothing happened
The stakes only felt most high during superior Spider-Man
I wonder what the writers are doing now
Yeah when theres nothing at stake the story tends to get bland or boring since the hero doesnt have anything to risk, a hero story should always have risks where anything the hero does could either backfire or benefit him since itd be a pretty boring story if everything went according to the hero's way
I feel like the best way for Eddie to exist in a modern story is to have him be mentor/friend to Peter when he's hired for the Bugle. Peter takes the job because he's Spidey and thinks it'd be easy, but Eddie helps him out and actually shows him how to take good photos. The better Peter gets, however, the more Eddie gets shafted. Peter then gets the symbiote and Eddie is officially fired. Peter doesn't think much of it since he's high on space goo and Eddie's life falls apart. This provides a solid relationship for Peter and Eddie as well as provides reason for why a late 20s-mid 30s guy has beef with a teenager and Spidey.
That's a hell good comment
That sounds like a great idea for Eddie.
Like, Peter's shoved out of Jonah's office cuz it's Jonah, but Robby sees a spark in Peter and sends him Eddie's way, tells him to show Pete the ropes. Eddie treats it like babysitting at first, not much of a care, kinda amused, until they end up in Central Park. Eddie tells him to show him what he's got, but immediately stop Peter the second he pulls out his phone instead of a camera. Eddie lends him his camera and Peter takes a few good shots. Eddie's impressed and actually starts taking the task seriously, eventually telling Peter to start saving up for a good camera before he can come work at the Bugle. He assures Peter he'll be sure to put in a good word
That's a pretty neat idea. But I like a different approach actually. Why not have Eddie become Pete's High School Bully instead of Flash or atleast somebody at school who just really hates him? It kinda fits don't ya think? Heck, we can give him the role of Scorpion as it fits his whole schtick of being the anti spider man. Plus it gives Scorpion more meaning in the plot than just being some jobber.
Well that's pretty much what happens in spectacular, still a cool story
"Still better than Harry Venom"
Well... That aged quite fast.
What
@@WhatTopic2004cause venom is in Spider-Man 2 I think that’s the reason it aged fast
I have to note that one of the reasons I found Ultimate Spider-Man absolutely hilarious was because of how ridiculously unbelievable it was that he would be friends with any of the supporting cast at all. Why would he talk to them at all in any situation where he didn’t have to?
New rule if Peter Parker is still in high school he's too young to be training Miles.
Miles was more of his partner making them the age made them cooler and easier to relate too.
Superheroes shouldn’t need training anyway, it makes having superpowers so menial. Captain America had training because he was a soldier foremost before he was a typical superhero.
@@MuseBySecrecyHow are you gonna learn how to use those powers if you don’t train?
@@Remix-pr4xd I don’t need to watch wasted story time because Spider-Man needs to learn to stick to a wall apparently. If the problem is he isn’t inherently good at having powers from the get-go, then it’s less about him making a choice in responsibility and more that he can’t be Spider-Man anyway because he can’t swing on the damn web lol.
@@gogetathestrongestfusioneven if they were doing this type of storyline they have rushed it
I have to clarify about the "promo art": That's NOT from the show. It's just generic character art that was meant to be used for generic merchandise. It just got confused for this show's art because both have the same Spider-Man title and logo. What makes this confusing is that Marvel DID hire the artist behind it for season 3's promo art pieces.
Cool to see that Miles' voice actor in the show is the same as the video games. I think he fills the role of Miles really well.
In the Latin American Spanish dub Miles' VA is the same one who voices the character in the Spider-Verse movies. Speaking about that dub, Peter was voiced by the VA who dubbed Tom Holland in the MCU, but he retired from voice acting to focus in his acting career and he was replaced by the VA who voiced Peter in Ultimate Spider-Man. Funnily enough, the current VA who voices Tom Holland as Peter in the MCU (and also in Uncharted and some other movies) also voices Miles Morales in the Insomniac video games
I’d rather have a Spider-Man show where he’s by himself. No sidekick or team. Fighting shit alone and coming out on top.
The "Peter is the same age as the legacy characters" is honestly one of my biggest issues with the MCU too, he just takes Miles' role in the world as "the Spider-man of new generation" rather than being closer to the early ones
@@darker2920 "I hate how MCU Pete stole Miles'..." is a fun game i like to play and usualy don't run out of stuff to say till i described Miles in the Bendis era of 2011-2018
@@darker2920at least we got into the spider verse out of it
@@darker2920blame the writers for that
@@darker2920what? Ned was always Pete’s friend. He literally died in Berlin in like 1987 lol. Before miles was even conceived
@@darker2920 Not every fat asian is Ganke. MCU spiderman race swapped MJ and Flash too. Isn't it possible they just changed Ned's race.
to interject on your opinion on the quips, I personally think Spidey should quip like a DMC character, where he has an overwhelming amount of confidence, to the point of being badass nonchalantly.
Great now I'm imagining Peter saying a bunch of Dante's lines and it works so well I'll think I'll be obsessing over it for a while.
Peter: *Turns on a song and spins around* "This party's getting crazy!"
Ben Reilly's and Kaine dynamic should pretty much be like Dante and Vergil's
@@heroicgangster9981 would that make Peter or Spidercide Nero?
@@archivist_13Peter is mundus
@@The_pitbull536 Peter no!!!!!
Would have been so much better to create an actual team from Spider-Gang. Miles cracks everything digital, from archives to security system, Peter is a techie who makes the gear, Anya is a chemist and Gwen is a biologist. Need to break the security of OsCorp to get inside unnoticed? Miles hacks the system and goes inside with his cloak. Need something to stop a giant villain? Bring Anya and she'll make a whole canister of web that dries and becomes like concrete. Need to cure a mutated victim? Let Gwen take care of it and make an antidote.
That’s honestly smart.
Funny thing about that is that Peter can and has done all of the above just fine on his own. Maybe it's better to have him as the leader who can solve nearly every problem but occasionally relies on his friends to execute.
I remember one of my main issues with the show was Miles' superpower being reworked into having an EMP ability.
An ability the writers KNEW was incredibly overpowered in a show where most of the rogues gallery use technology, and you can tell they knew because they clumsily wrote him out of episodes for the rest of Season 1 and quietly ignored the ability in Seasons 2 and 3 (something I remember annoyed me about the episode with the Wave Riders; I mumbled "Miles has an EMP power" every time he was helping Peter fight the Wave Riders).
It's kind of jarring since I think both Into The Spider-Verse and the Miles Morales video game, to my knowledge, largely keep his abilities identical to the comics, and they both got a lot more mileage out of his powers as a result.
To be fair, Hobie himself did build his Prowler gear. It's odd that of all characters, he didn't have his own tech skills.
He did have a brother who helped in the comics so it has some basis but still discredits hobie
I'll give them credit, the idea that Ben would try to make the speech appeal to Peter's interest is sweet.
Atleast there’s one thing this show has over every other animated incarnation doesn’t. Peter and MJ end up TOGETHER without anything terrible happening to them
Maybe that's the secret behind breaking the canon, be so mediocre that they actually succeeded at their normal life. Even in Spiderverse Peter B broke up for a bit with MJ and then still hae a happy marriage + a kid later on.
@@nonamepasserbya6658 which breaks the connon event
Just give it time.
The all-science element for this angle to a Spidey show really could have worked if, like it was said here, they all had different skill sets within different fields. Even connect them somewhat to who each is like in other material. Miles could be in the same bracket as his Insomniac counterpart in his music and audio knowledge. Gwen sort of being in the same boat as a drummer. Though far more public and analog perhaps for them to build off each other in different ways. Anya in terms of biological organisms as a possible reference to Arana, and for Peter himself, a kind of combo of all four. Though his main unique skillset is in mutations. Allows the show to present an individual educational element for a fan to invest themselves in each character and to give this particular Spidey show something unique to bring as its own.
The show desperately needed this
Have other superheroes there instead of solely Spider-Man supporting characters
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 That was something they did. In fact in terms of being the sole premise, that was the idea for the series before it.
@@xanderm6090 Did they? Seems it was just various Spider-Man characters. But ironically they could've included the same three heroes from Ultimate, maybe a young Daredevil or Elektra, Ice Man and Human Torch transferring in from their teams as a reference to the Ultimate comics and Amazing Friends. The school being in competition with the Xavier Institute would be a cool storyline too.
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 Yeah, some of that could have even worked even without touching on the X-Men entirely. As remember, back then they didn't want to advertise Fox.
Though it is true, even if they didn't follow up entirely, the whole point was about Spidey leading this whole team of heroes. More an execution vs. premise deal.
Marvel’s Spider-Man (2017), the series that made people look back on the Ultimate Spider-Man animated series and asked… “Were we too harsh on this one?” If there’s one complement I could give this series, Scott Menville who voices Doc Ock and Superior Spider-Man (and whom you know him best as Robin from Teen Titans) could’ve made a pretty damn good Spider-Man VA if given the chance.
23:00 And now in Insomniac’s Spider-Man 2 they changed the OG Ghost Spider’s name to Spirit Spider
I'll answer that question:
...We WERE too harsh on Ultimate Spider-Man.
People only gave it crap because it came after spectacular but ultimate is a pretty good show reminds of the brave and the bold series
I would easily take spiderman 2017 series over Ultimate spiderman anyday.
Scott definitely wasn't right for Doc Ock
Yea, Scott Menville could make a good college era Spider-Man
I think this show represented the decline of Marvel Animation in the 2010s perfectly: the quality of the series got worse in every way, and Marvel only saw them as something secondary to have a secondary source of money. A copy and paste of the MCU that did not compete with the movies, and its objective was to always be under their shadow. Only now are we beginning to see a kind of "renaissance", where the quality of the shows like What If and Moon Girl is kinda better but the quantity is low.
Don't forget that for some reason Disney opted for cheap animation companies for these shared-universe-ish cartoons.
What If follows the same problem as these animated shows if you ask me, it's entire identity is based on the MCU.
Given the state of the MCU where the quality is dropping. Doesn’t hurt to have something to fall back on. Moon girl was pretty good.
@@bearerofbadnews1375 I love Moon Girl. It's the best thing ever. And it's better than the comic imo.
@Obi-Wan_Kenobi It can be a pro and a con. Even tho RDJ doesn't voice Tony Stark, the background makes his character so much more enjoyable but with Tom Holland's Spider-Man it just feels uncanny, odd, and out of character without his voice for the character
Spiderman looks like Ben 10 in this series.
One thing that always bothers me about adaptations of the symbiote saga is that 90% of the times they shaft the host (specifically eddie Brock) and treat the symbiote as the only thing that makes venom, venom. Eddie has been a fan favorite character and a source of interest with or without the symbiote for years within the comics. His story and struggle as the host is what made venom intrest in the first place yet just because the symbiote can trade hosts it makes writer think that it’s just doesn’t matter. It makes the symbiote a bland plot device and Eddie a non entity that’s thrown out without thought. It really hinders the writing especially with how many interesting stories with Eddie that can be adapted (not even counting his king in black stories.)
I feel it'd be interesting if they amalgamated him with Flash, we don't need TWO blonde buff guys that hate Peter Parker. Flash's idolization of Spider-Man could reflect in Eddie's attempts at being a hero which could lead into Agent Venom. I also always liked the idea of Peter's childhood bully being Venom anyway, especially over some rando with a really stupid grudge against him.
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 I could see that working as a fun and different adaptation of it. I just want Eddie to get a good and proper representation outside of the comics. He is an extremely important part of what makes venom venom I’m tired of people pretending he’s not lol.
@@bruhzzo7341 My version would still have a lot of Eddie and fulfill the same role though. But there'd be changes done to modernize both characters, like the fact you really don't have jocks bullying nerds anymore, oftentimes they're one in the same now. Or Eddie working for print media, he was an investigative journalist in the movies and it's not like there aren't issues with journalistic corruption nowadays. So if you wanted classic Eddie it wouldn't be super hard updating him but you'd still need to change things. Maybe instead of some random villain he frames Peter for the Carnage Killer? Would be a cool way of connecting those two together before they end up meeting. But I also like Eddie and Peter being childhood friends and having connected families, I like the Symbiote being their heritage more than random space aliens ruled over by some Sephiroth looking dude. The Symbiotes feel out of place with the rest of Peter's villains, IMO.
It bugs the hell out of me when people call the symbiote itself Venom when it reality it’s the symbiote and Eddie that make Venom
@@MILDMONSTER1234 Well it needs some sort of name lol
Thank you so much for doing the “just for kids doesn’t mean it has to be lazy” segment. I hate that argument SO MUCH when people say that to discredit genuine criticism. Spectacular Spider-Man, Teen Titans, BTAS and the entirety of the DCAU, Transformers Animated and Transformers Prime, Avatar, etc are all made for children but they treat the audience (kids) with the same respect as an adult watching a TV show would get. Have people who’ve said “it’s made for kids” ever been a kid? Kids are so much smarter and mature than we give them credit for. As for the respect animation doesn’t get compared to live action, you hit the nail on the head. Star Wars and Marvel are aimed at kids and general audiences but because it’s “real” it’s more serious.
Yeah, especially when you have a show like this running season 2 right after Into The Spider-Verse comes out, which treats the characters with maturity. Even if it’s the difference between a bigger-budget animated film and a cartoon series, it still shows that you don’t have to dumb down your media for a target audience.
@@Emoney-hy2kn Exactly. As for budgets? They are for animation and voice acting. You can’t place a budget on good writing ✍️ . We need more show runners who actually want to tell great stories and write great characters back in mainstream media. Sadly when we do get it, the shows are either unceremoniously cancelled, air with nobody talking about it, or when people care it’s too late (Rise of the TMNT)
Agreed , I get so pissed when they use the " it's 4kids" argument , that's a cowards excuse . I argued with someone who said that I have the ill feelings towards ultimate spiderman cause I'm a young adult , when I told them I was just as disgusted with the show as a child , they said that I'm just a pessimistic person ,I mean WTF?😅
Agreed 100 percent. Sadly it looked like nobody knew that while writing the show
@@SonGoku-rf5wy "You can’t place a budget on good writing" You actually can lol. Writing isn't just coming up with a story and script and calling it a day. Most shows have multiple re-writes in order to create better stories and dialogue or correct mistakes. Without a budget and with stricter deadlines, you can't afford re-writes and fixes, leading to weaker writing. And hey, you have to pay your writers well too. We literally just had a strike all about that.
The dumbest mistake (or what I think is the dumbest) is that Peter never shared his secret identity with the Gwen and Jennifer. No problem telling Miles though.
He's trying to get invited to the cook out
Yeah, that was dumb. Why not tell them that you Peter after he sees them get powers, why keep it a secret until the last season?
Didn't miles get struck with fear toxin? Pretty sure he did that to calm him down.
Peter is following the ancient idiom of "bros before hoes".
@@thegreatscribbles960lmao
So glad you point out that the "It's for kids" doesn't mean that writers can be lazy when it comes to writing Spider-Man look at the recent Spider-verse movies for example. Those movies can also be seen as movies "just for kids" yet a lot of teenagers and grown ups love those movies and even grow a sense of appreciation for them since some of the conflicts and messages in those movies are things they can relate too.
Such as having parents who put a ton of expectation on you, having self doubt on if you can accomplish something, having parents who you may get into arguments with but at the end of the day they still loves you and wants you to be ready for the world, dealing with the loss of a family member, etc. Kids won't get that when they are young they will just see the Spider-Men fighting bad guys who are trying to end the world but when they grow up and revist those movies they will grow a new sense of appreciation for them.
Not to mention those movies introduced a ton of characters that most of the general public never heard about such as Miles Morales, Spider-Man Noir, Spider-Man Of India, Spider-Punk, Ghost Spider, etc and managed to make them most of them likeable and developed with *only* 4 HOURS of run time if we count both movies. Yet Spider-Man (2017) has 57 episodes which are 21 minutes long and none of the characters feel developed or likeable at all.
I just can't get over how Spider-Man is voiced by Robbie Daymond. Like, I love Robbie to death, he's a great voice actor, but I can only hear him as Akechi and Happy Chaos.
I've seen a lot of criticism towards MCU Spidey in particular being too "reliant" on sharing the spotlight with other characters even though the lengths he goes to defy those expectations is actually a pretty major plot point across his first trilogy, but I feel like a lot of this show in particular took those complaints and accentuated them to the point where Peter is basically always within the reach of a network of people who all have powers like him. His stakes are basically non-existent and his initially stand out nature as a geek going to a regular public school with clashing personalities is nullified by just putting him in an institution where everyone has Reed Richards-tier intrllect and can just make Infinity Gauntlet-level tech all the time. Spider-Man works because his problems fill the full spectrum of intimate, personal dillemas and high-stakes plots. This is just 100% the other direction. It's like a caricature of those minor issues I had with Holland Peter blown up as a form of retaining synergy to the films, but in a desperate attempt to consolidate a bunch of modern interpretations, he doesn't feel recognizable at all to any version of Spidey I know.
Well said.
This is a problem I have with a lot of modern Spider-Man media to be honest. Started with the Ultimate cartoon, then reared its ugly head again in the MCU, the 2017 cartoon and even the Insomniac game.
Like, what's always been cool about Spider-Man for me is that he's very street level. He deals with everyday problems we can all relate to, and he has to make sacrifices in his personal life to do the right thing. Giving him a whole support group of other Spider-people is not relatable, and it kind of takes away from the whole world-on-his-shoulders, largely works alone barring the occasional team-up Spider-Man from the comics.
@marvelfannumber1 I don't feel this nearly as much with MCU Peter as the two most recent shows and it's for one very particular reason: Peter is put in situations in those films where he still feels like he can be self-sufficient and capable of handling threats without the outside assistance. No Way Home was technically the only time where he actually had people to help him, and 3/4 of those people are just himself from other universes. Vulture and Mysterio were all him, and that's even in spite of people like Stark and "Nick Fury" constantly underestimating his capability and gumption to protect his community
There's also just the matter of the fact Peter still talks like a regular person. He's not a walking stereotype of either an anti-social, chronically online Redditor or the guy in class who interrupts the teacher to make jokes. He goes to a STEM school or a gifted school like the version in this show but the students act like regular ass people you meet at any public school and aren't in possession of some omnipotent level of intelligence. They're just smarter than average but they don't have to overtly communicate that. STEM schools are also something actually rooted in reality and it's not like Midtown was ever this hub for like every major death machine Parker has to fight in the show, nor is he conveniently aided by a support group of people who share his exact abilities. He's still unique
This show feels like it took all those aspects at the most surface, barebones level and ran with it to the point of parody
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MCU for sure does it better than the two recent cartoons, but it's still very flawed. The biggest issue I have with it is that he has to go through the *exact same* arc in both of the first two movies. He already learned to be self-sufficient in Homecoming, why do we need to retread this arc again in the very next movie, as if the first one didn't happen?
Insomniac Spider-Man has the opposite problem. Where Peter *is* clearly self-sufficient and experienced, but then introduce Miles and make him a permanent sidekick from then on, which again is not relatable and takes away from the whole world-on-his-shoulders thing a lot.
@@marvelfannumber1I will say in my personal opinion, I love the insomniac spider-man both peter and miles make a good team I don't mind him having a support team like in ultimate spider-man cartoon series but marvel's spider-man cartoon series it should of just had miles helping him that's about maybe give him another spider hero name that's about it but I see were you are coming from.
This is essentially "Dan Slott's Spider-Man: The Animated Series."
And it shows how horribly, horribly wrong that concept can go.
Ironically Slott also had some hand in the script of the first Insomniac Spidey game but that ended up better.
Dan Slott was literally just a simple consultant for Insomniac Games Marvel's Spider-Man... He didn't actually have a big hand in writing the game's script.
Eh, I wouldn't go THAT far but to each their own I guess.
@@whattheworldneedsiscreativ6421
yeah it was Christos Gage who actually helped to write the script, aka the guy who actually made Superior Spider-Man good
Hop off Dan Slott at least his stories are well written (most of the time)
I like that you mentioned My Adventures with Superman, as that shows animation is everything this wasn’t. It took that anime influence and ran with it, it has bright, vivid colors, great shading, and distinct character designs. Also, nerdy main character that isn’t annoying to watch, unlike this show.
And the team he has [Lois and Jimmy] are very memorable and actually are unique from Clark
@@jadenbryant9283 But they still look like Gus and Luz from the owl house. XD
21:13 Whoa! Did I just hear Xavier speak Tagalog?!
Perks of Xavier being married to a Filipina, the show got him so angry that he started to swear in Tagalog. Caught me off guard tho, damn hilarious.
Crazy how this show could've looked way better if they had allowed the animators more time.
I literally have no problem with the animation when I first saw it. The big problem with this show is exactly what this video talked about.
The TONE! It has none other than poorly putting random quirky jokes and shticks borrowed from the MCU, butchering famous storylines from the comics(symbiote saga, clone saga and the Goblin saga). Couple that with the fact fans thought that this series was going to go back to a more grounded and restricted solo Spider-Man story when in fact it didn't.
@@Gideon13397 Yeah that's also true
I don't think animation would fix the terrible writing
@@Gideon13397 The fans didn't believe it, the actual showmakers PROMISED it was gonna go back to that. But they were just lying to get more people watching.
What you said about Spider-Man addressing his quips being annoying hit me on a spiritual level.
It’s not adamant with all modern adaptations but I miss when Spidey just had a GENUINE good wit.
“Who is that little creep, some mugger after my money? Heck, if I could find any on me I’d split it with him.”
“Appreciate the help fanboy but keep clear, you’re not pretty enough to save twice.”
Cristopher Daniel Barnes really killed it with those quips.
The joke about about Spider-Man being broke is one that really stuck with me from the 90s show.
Just look at insomniacs spiderman. He does what this one can’t
@@kirin8735 his quips arent all that
@@mysteryniggadel491 they are 🥱
30:17 this makes this even funnier considering that MJ hates Peter and yet he’s voiced by Yuri Lowenthal (the voice of Ben 10) in Insomniac and other adaptations
31:27 To be fair, that season of Avengers Assemble has a completely different art design, core cast and overall narrative. It's literally a single-season Black Panther show with occasional team-ups and cameos, but the studio executives were so scared to release a black superhero show that they rebranded it at the last second as a "Black Panther-focused" season of the Avengers show!
It's a crime they haven't re-released it as a separate show on Disney+. It's got heart, a fresh art style and a decent narrative that admittedly gets bogged down by all the usual Disney Marvel cartoon problems, but still stands apart as something unique and worth celebrating! More people need to know about Black Panther's Quest, but burying it behind the Avengers Assemble logo isn't doing it any favors!
I think an interesting way to give these spider-men name is to simply have them all be spider-man/woman, but the people of the city give them different names based on either their costume or where they most commonly are
Just having Miles being called Brooklyn by the fans in this world would not only make them feel closer to the people, but make the naming seem less disrespectful to Miles because he's still officially called Spider-Man
I ALWAYS LIKE THE IDEA THAT SPIDER'S CALL BETWEEN THEMSELVES AS A NICKNAME, Like Peter being Amazing, Ben bring Sensational, Miles Being Ultimate & go on
Oh MAN spider-brooklyn is such a cool name, imagine being a hero so iconic to a city that you get the name of the city AS your superhero title? That's actually a great idea
The black spider-man...
'Cause his suit is black of course.
I know the Spiderman 2 game just came out, but I love how Peter in that game refers to miles as Spider-Man. Not kid arachnid not Spy-D just Spiderman.
@@rdesignartes2520Reminds me of Captain America, but on a more regional and personal connection to the people they serve. An easy to characterize a group through that individual beyond the scale that global heros do.
I hate when they use the same name so you just have to add the year 💀
Even the title of the show is lazy
I just call the other one Spider-man Isomniac like Neversoft spider-man
@@PGO5490 well with Spider-Man ps4 at least the game is a console exclusive so everyone automatically knows what you’re talking about
@@kaijionline I know, I just like to add “insomniac” because it sounds cooler, also because I lost sleep because of how long I was playing this game.
9:50 Joker: If you have to explain the joke, THERE IS NO JOKE!!!
And they say Sonys movies potrayed Venom badly.
Robbie Daymond is a fantastic Spidey when he's _given_ the right Spidey to voice. He works great as a teen Spidey, can add maturity into his voice when he needs to, but just doesn't match up when he's voicing a buff adult Spider-Man who would clearly benefit a heavier-sounding voice.
Facts
For teen Spider-Man, get Robbie. For adult Spider-Man, get Yuri
Agreed
@@Leannomali agreed
No he was the worse
As someone who hasn't watched this show, history has been very weird to it. Compared to Ultimate, which came right after Spectacular and kind of had that working against it, I never heard anyone even talk about this one. It really kind of seemed to just come and go.
I detest all the characters in a Spider-Man show having super powers because in the eternal words of Syndrome: When everyone's super, no one is. This also applies to all the characters being super genius scientists prodigies.
What you don't like the fact that Peter is not at all unique or stand out anymore and also arguably is the shittiest spider man because he somehow has less powers?
Who'd have thought that making a really iconic and fun character boring as all hell leads to a very shitty show...
@ApocalypticRenegade Fr, and peter is technically physically far stronger than miles which much better spidersence but that isn't enough for people i guess. Miles having two abilities to compensate for his base spider abilities being weaker isn't enough of a downside apparently.
I'm so glad you left in the rant about how "made for kids" doesnt have to be "dumbed down". Cause when I was watching cartoons as a kid, even if I didnt consciously think about it, I always felt the difference. Stuff like Gravity Falls, ATLA, TMNT 2012, and some parts of Ben 10, all felt the different because they didnt treat us like idiots. Even if you cant explain it when your that age it really makes a difference, and I still have a strong connections eith those shows. Where as I havent thought about Ultimate Spiderman in years.
Shading is important!!! Great review as always and yes to the writing of this show. Just cause it’s aimed at kids, doesn’t mean they deserve dumbed down writing. Also congrats on making through all the shows, still need to do that 😅
Love your channel, dude.
Shading and brightness, and the color placement 2 the show is so hard to watch visually
He has one more... Spidey and his amazing friends.
That's what I hate about Netflix She-Raa
I loved the show when I was younger but that's me personally
The promotional art for marvels Spider-Man made by Patrick Brown is still visually better than the show itself. It’s kind of sad.
8:56 ngl I think this is the one instance where it works for me. Something about him muttering it to himself and is just disappointed he got to it too late is 100x more "Spidey" to me
24:28 "No Harry Venom, thank God" - he says...
Meanwhile Isomniac: "Hehehe😈"
I sometimes can’t believe this show started my modern Spider-Man obsession
You'd be surprised how obsessions usually start like this.
How'd that happen?
@@kermitgotthesickkicks4265 I was 7
Ay. we all got to start somewhere.
I know how you feel man
When i was 6 Ultimate Spider-Man was one of the first Spider-Man related things I saw
A shame this show wasted Robbie Daymond as Spider-Man and Max Mittelman as Harry because he definitely did a good job as the webslinger.
I do wanna note that Daymond also auditioned to voice Spidey in Ultimate Spider-Man before Drake Bell got the part.
As for this show in general, I think it would've been cool if they took influence from Regular Show, having Spidey go through adventures that go from 0 to 100 like one moment he's hanging out with Harry, the next he and Harry learn that he's adopted and his true identity is actually Takuya Yamashiro (Assuming Toei gives the thumbs up to let them combine Harry and Takuya)
At the very least it would've given the show it's own identity.
Also given how they had Jefferson be Swarm in this show, I do wanna see the 2017 Spiders appear in Beyond if only to see the reactions from the Miles we follow in the movies, Prowler Miles, AND possibly Insomniac Miles from learning that.
I actually think that would be a fun idea for a version of Spidey his day starts out normal like he is late to work but then later it turns out that was a good thing because the daily bugle is under hostage by dock Ock
why does the mister negative fight look like an undertale fan animation 😭
That's an insult to undertale fight animation, most of these look fire.
To add to the "kid shows can be deep argument" does anyone remember the Ben 10 Ultimate Alien episode that referenced Guantanamo Bay?
I think it's not even that bad, it's painfully average, and people hate it because Spider-Man stories and cartoons have so much potential and a large fanbase to satisfy, that when you make something this disappointing, you can't even get away with it.
Explaining the jokes is basically why modern family guy fails for me because it feels the need to explain the joke
You explain the joke there is no joke
That burns me to no end
I don't understand how we are supposed to relate to Peter and his crew when they all behave like they have degrees in all possible STEM fields.
Like bro, you're a teenager; when did you have time to become Einstein?
Spectacular Spider-Man, for example, did it perfectly. Peter is smart but still has lots to learn.
I agree with 99.87% of what was said here.
Except for the part where you said that Miles saying
“I can’t think of anything quipy”
Then shooting the spider in the mouth wasn’t the most hilarious thing ever.
one of Miles' bonus costumes in Insomniac's Spider-Man 2 is called "Shadow Spider," which i've been saying should be his official codename from here on out
It's a great name, I just have a creeping feeling some people would mistake it as being racist, even if it was done with innocent intentions.
28:50 I love how quickly that line aged for one of them
my favorite part of this show was Ock’s arc. I think his character was built more than peter’s and this is honestly his show he had like 3 seasons dedicated to him each consisting of him as a hero, villian, and his redemption arc. I love this show soley because of Ock and it made me love his comic counterpart and other versions of him that I didn’t know of.
I feel the same way. Otto is easily the most interesting character in the show imo, and he's the main reason I remain watching.
@@jimjam528although one thing I found weird was making him the same age as Peter which what
@jadenbryant9283 Oh yeah, I agree that was a weird move. I prefer Ock to be a grown man.
30:00 Look up Golden Oldie. Aunt May has been a Herald of Galactus. In fact, she's been the best Herald of Galactus. Nobody else found a sustainable way to feed the big jerk that didn't involve eating planets.
At this point with how shows are made its clear though Disney could care less and just needs something to increase toy sales.
My main problem is that none of the characters stand out or something unique about them. All of them study at the same place, all of them are Spiderman who become part of the main team too quickly and all of them are smart. The only one that stands out to me is Harry and that's because he's the Black Sheep of the group, relying more on tech and that he doesn't go to the same school as Peter.
And he actually speaks like a normal human being.
26:13 with 4 spidey, one would think Pete have it easy.
there are 3 big mistakes in 2017 marvel spiderman: 1. spider girl and spider gwen were the most USELESS AND ANNOYING CHARECTORS IN THE WHOLE DAMN SHOW. they were basically 2 peter parkers who sucked at being spideys and had even worse humour. 2. the venom symbiote was made in a lab and also at the same time given to max to study because it was an alien??! so the two stories didnt go well together. 3. spiderman did get a bit annoying but it wasnt too bad.
I know he complains about them a lot but I actually think Ultimate handled the Spider team better than they did in this show, we actually had episodes centered around them, and at least until Web Warriors, and even there, that team weren't all doing the same thing and had the same abilities. The 2017 Spider team comes in and out so much and arguably Peter doesn't really need them most of the time, which is why it was doubly weird when one of the final episodes was built off assembling a team to counter them with characters that outside of Jackal weren't really fleshed out.
Giving solo superheroes teams is just a bad trend in adaptations atm, look at Arrow and the Flash show. It's probably because of Batman Begins
How do you manage to make Ultimate SpiderMan look like a good show
The thing about simple art styles is that, at least in theory, they allow the animators to make way more fluid action scenes. However, if you do not have good fight choreography then there is zero reason to have it.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasnt there a multiparter in Avengers Assemble involving the Beyonder doing the Secret Wars plot line that could explain the different Spider-men? Though to make this confusion worse, I'm pretty sure Ultimate Spider-man actually had an appearance in a couple episodes of Earth's Mightiest Heroes. (at least a Spidey voiced by Drake Bell, that is)
Nah those two are very different and EMH spider-man was originally gonna be voiced by Josh Keaton.
See the funniest quip so far in Spider-Man 2 (PS5) was the one where you could physically see him thinking of the joke for a couple seconds after convincing the goon to give him time for said joke.
Hot take: Ghost Spider is a better fitting name for Miles. He can turn invisible and has electric powers, ghosts can turn invisible and are known to screw around with electronics; I’d say it fits.
(P.S: If you’re going to leave a comment, please don’t just leave Miles Morales is Miles Morales or Ghost Spider is Gwen’s name! Not only are both of those knee jerk and rather lazy answers in my opinion, but it also means nothing to what I’m even saying here in the first place.)
Honestly yea it fits.
Ghost Spider would’ve been more interesting if they went the Jason Todd route and made him sort of a rebellion, troubled teen instead of a boy scout like Peter. Peter gets a pass because it was common during the times and hes kind of a snarky smartass, but Miles just felt like an afterthought version of him without the wit.
NO, MILES MORALES IS SPIDER-MAN & THAT'S IT
@@ArcTrooperRod-269I think they just meant that he should get his own name so he can stand out more.
@@ArcTrooperRod-269We get it
But we got multiple, repeat *multiple* Spider People with that name, hence many titles, like we know Miguel O'Hara as a Spider-Man, but as he's from the year 2099, we call him Spider-Man 2099
So calling Miles Ghost Spider actually makes sense (granted there's an actual version of Spidey where he's got Ghost Rider Powers, but)
All of the characters being super smart just reminds me of that line from Syndrome "and when everybodys super hahaha no one will be" nobody actually feels special or an individual because everyones just the same
Oh how I remember seeing that title teaser after the season finale for ultimate spiderman, for this show. It looked spectacular at first, so of course I was excited. I remember seeing the designs and thinking they looked good, couldnt wait to see those characters come to life...and, none of them looked anything like the art. That's when I knew, the Marvel age of animated television had slowly died. All the care, gone.
And then came that one lego Avengers movie, and hope was restored.
It excells with making its villains feel somewhat human. Well, some of them anyways. namely the ones that arent just hired by someone. Doc ock especially is an amazing character in this, as opposed to ultimate where he just felt kinda bland.
It's weird that we keep getting young Peter adaptations but never one with the full Flash, Gwen, MJ and Harry friend group.
Like I guess it's because they don't have powers, but given that the Romita-Lee is run arguably the most iconic, you'd think there'd be at least one that mines that social circle.
Simply put, if they don't have a spider mask on and have powers then they're not marketable for toy sales. That's probably why we don't get the flash, harry, MJ friend group
It is kinda unique for a show to really lean into the more recent continuity of Spider-Man compared to other Spider-Man adaptations, but It's weird that the show does so much story in such a smaller show.
Can’t believe we live in an era where the latest superman animated series is Way way way better than the latest Spider-Man animated series.
If we're talking about how a show being for kids isn't a free pass to be bad, just bring up Bluey. Bluey is literally for babies and has lessons for children and relatable content for adults. It knows that the parents of the kids watching the show are going to be looking over the kid's shoulder and can be something for both parties to connect over by being legitimately good content for *all* ages.
I can also bring up a few others: Postman Pat, a show that, while overall relaxing and calmer, isn't afraid to bring up terminology children aren't so likely to understand and even has a few subtle references to death! pre-Gullane Thomas, very accurately portrays how railways worked at the time, some episodes have very picturesque scenery, many episodes go the extra mile explaining the situations and more!
Thanks for the recommendations, guys!
I’ll keep this in mind if I ever have kids myself! ^_^
6:16 "Corporate needs to distinguish the difference between these pictures," "They're the same picture just different angles"
Spider-Man hasn't had a good cartoon ever since Disney bought Marvel. It's almost as if Disney has no business being associated with Marvel or something.
Gee can these teen characters be a flawed individual to be possibly relatable and not an S-rank crafting geniuses that could compete Peni Parker
6:20 I genuinely don't know how I guessed Harry, Peter and Miles faces correctly despite them looking 95% identical. Gwen was obvious for me. The rest I couldn't tell who are they.
Had this show be given a higher budget and more thought into its writing and this could've been Marvels equivalent to My Adventure With Superman YEARS before it came out. Though that being said I don't think this show is bad or that I hate, but I feel like it tried and thats worth something
That would’ve been amazing to see. Spider-Man with the budget of an anime could be one of his craziest and best shows ever.
bro my entire childhood flashed before my eyes from minute 11 to minute 12
This show illustrates that not every character can be of the same usefulness. Maybe the writers thought it would be progressive for every character to be like Spider-Man not realizing that characters can be important/useful without being super geniuses. One character can keep Spider-Man connected to humanity and another character can give him emotional support and so on. If everyone is special no one is.
Yes, now that we got this show out of the way we can get what everyone wants.
The Xavier review of Spidey and his Amazing Friends!
The superior arc in this show wasn’t actually terrible,I actually liked it tbh and the suit.
Yeah but the Superior Spider-Man arc has probably one of the worst moments in not only this show but any Spider-Man continuity really which was Peter’s reaction to Otto being happy that his childhood bully got what he deserved since both Peter and the show act like Otto just committed an unjustifiable act when all he did was use a method to discourage cheating to a guy that’s been beating the shit out of him
God, I miss spectacular spidy
I liked the comedy in this one more than ultimate can’t lie to ya
This show may have been a mixed bag but man did they make MJ work in the short amount of time they used her.
I genuinely forgot this Cartoon ever existed
I miss when Spider-Man was Spider-Man
Mainia had a rough transition into 3D
As a Sonic fan, I understand this XD
19:47 the worst part is that every school sci-fi show is like this.
You know I have some love in my soul for ultimate Spider-Man because me and my cousin grew up with it, and despite its many problems I still enjoy it. This show feels like nothing honestly, I can’t get angry at it, all I can fell is complete and utter apathy
Edit:it should also be known that I watched ultimate and this when I was the same age. So even then I didn’t like this show
The intro with Peter getting electrocuted was literally the only scene in the entire show that had me laughing.