Is 40,000 Lbs of Towing Capacity OVERKILL for the New Ford Super Duty? Let's Take a Deep Dive!
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It’d be cool to see TFL get a big duely, we’ve never seen that
It's spelled dually
This guy deserves to be as proud as he is. There is industry leading and then theres buryinggg the entire segment. If only the QC guys could keep up with the engineers over at the blue oval
For a very long time I have advocated owning a Corvette for the Car to drive and Super Duty Diesel for the Truck to drive as being the ultimate all around driving experiences for the safety, convenience and useability features they represent. It is just a shame the way the automobile manufacturing industry has evolved into restricting the production output so as to drive the cost to the consumer to a level that should actually shame the manufacturers. The whole point to the American car manufacturing process was mass production the keep the cost of production to the very minimum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just another prime example of Corporate "GREED" across the board & America's Ideals in general!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i got a 2020 4 door 4x4 long bed XL 6.7 because it was on the lot for 52k at the time. looking at trucks now im glad i did.
Hey
I have a 3.5 ecoboost rated at 11300 lbs towing…I tow a 9000 lbs toy hauler…is scary!! So I just bought a 7.3 F250 rated at 15300. I think towing ratings should be cut in half!!! My F150 can no way tow 11300!!! And my 7.3 is getting 11 mpg empty
My F150 get 19 mpg empty and 8 mpg pulling the toy hauler… just my experience.
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The size matters a lot more than the weight. My buddy tows a 14k dump trailer loaded to about 12k in his 150 fine… but that weight is low to the ground and not very affected by wind
They do rhat in Australia downrate US Pickup Trucks for the reasons you stated
My coworker has a F150 that he says he can tow 14k with. Even if rated for that, I have doubted the real world experience if more that a few miles every now and then. My 2023 F350 CC SRW XL STX with 6.8 gas is rated to tow 13.9k; I think that's a lot more realistic !
Amazing that he was there from the beginning. Pretty cool to see how far the trucks have come.
Military grade aluminum 🤣🤣🤣 Reynolds’s wrap is military grade aluminum 😂😂😂 I crack up when they say things like that 🥸🥸🥸
Yes, agreed! Another favorite is “machined from billet aluminum”
@@chavira2009 🤣🤣🤣
They need to have a manual transmission in the F-250 and the F-350 in both gas and diesel engines
Gotta love that bs payload package with no spare tire that almost no dealer will order, but simply exists as an option on the sheet so Ford can advertise a big number...
Should of questioned him more on the why they didn’t bump the 7.3 up a bit more. Not a large enough gap between 6.8 & 7.3
Exactly, 450hp and 500ftlbs would’ve been perfect for the 7.3
Here’s my guess: the 6.8 is an evolution of the 7.3, and the long term goal is to develop the engine that will eventually be part of the future hybrid drivetrain. So, it wouldn’t make sense to continue and spend time and resources on the 7.3. That’s also why I think the 6.8 is so damn close to the 7.3. Ford will see most fleet vehicles spec’d with the 6.8 which will mean tons of development data.
@@Van-tastic the 7.3 is the long life medium duty engine, it’s not going anywhere there, but it may be getting pushed out of pickups just like the 6.8 was for a more efficient powerful enough engine for most users.
Upfitters build mostly stock components 7.3 that go from 550 up to 900HP. EMI nse torque. Ford can juice this much more with no stress or expense.
Don't over load a gasser!!
The Chief Technical Officer and his first truck was a SuperDuty was a SuperCab!! Great choice!! Of course I’m a biased individual there. Great interview fellas.
Thanks for doing this while feeling pretty lousy Andrey!! You are truly dedicated. Well done!
I have to admit I may like the Chevy/GMC HD trucks with the 6.6 and 10 speed automatic coming up in 2024. I am a Ford guy, but they don’t cut it in the looks and I’m never going to put even a 3/4 ton to the limit, let alone a 1 ton. I will be hauling a 2,000 lb camper if I replace an 1100 lb camper. The enclosed trailer I tow won’t exceed 5500 lbs or it will be a 20 foot fishing Pontoon boat with a 90 hp Merc on the back. Just liking the GMs in appearances currently, both inside and out. I will have until 2024 to decide, or really next summer to compare and decide. Pricing will be a factor and currently GM wins by a fair amount for my tastes and needs. I say this with a painful look on my face as my daily driver is a 2022 F150 Tremor!! Haha.
Looking forward to what 2024 brings for all 3 HD trucks out there! That Hurricane 6 cylinder Ram has is impressive and showing much higher HP and torque!! 510 hp and with the turbocharger, the torque band is as wide as Texas!!
Would have been great if they had mentioned the rear end used for the max towing.
Great work Ardre. I'm assuming the 6.8 to be the new RV motor.
Great Interview!
Great job andry sounds like you got a cold buddy stay warm
@Andre Why did you not ask about specifics on the axle upgrades coming for 2023 ? I for one would like to know the difference between the 2022 vs 2023 F450 front and rear axles.
He has COVID during this interview. Probably hard remembering his name!! 😂😂. Pretty d*mn decent he is still working though!!
I agree your questions are great really though. Hopefully they will tackle your questions when they get their first 23 SuperDuty. If you do an email through TFLs main email address with Andrey’s name in the title he may be able to get back to you. It has worked for me in the past! Good luck!
I'm getting the f450. With pretty much everything. 100 gallon Gasoline
Tank. Alot of long distance driving. Has to be dependable. And luxurious comfort. Hi tech and rational economic. I'm paying cash.
6wd dually and everything!
I ordered a 350 SW Super cab long bed Lariat with the HO. I am disappointed that interior is ONLY Black Onyx. Baja is not available.
Boy oh Boy, I have some issue's with any truck that can pull 40,000lbs. If you actually need all that have at it, but it wasn't all that long ago that Ford built the Excursion (short lived excess). A self proclaimed jack of all trades these vehicles don't have a great track record. More more more adds to the complexity and at some point just buy a real medium duty truck and a F150 to drive to the the 19th hole!
What's the point of having a truck without a spare tire, that's stupid and unsafe because if you get a flat tire,you can't change the tire and you're stranded in the middle of nowhere and possibly in bad areas and the cost of getting towed to the shop
50,000 super duty orders in first 5 days!
We will always love these trucks.
At 40klbs I hope they have a really good exhaust brake on that thing. At that weight I think engine braking might be necessary also but what do I know I'm just a truck driver 🤷🏾♂️
You literally need a CDL for those weights, who is pulling 40k on non air brakes.
@@philipparana9225 this towing number war is getting a tad bit ridiculous
There are trucker navigation apps out already. I use one when towing.
For those who run over the road, still get Tremor package. Why? Road hazards…all the extra under side plates (more and stronger than FX/4), forged wheel (pot holes), better/smoother rough highway road ride, heavier duty components. I know all this first hand. Oh, if you get the 6.7, add the ambulance package for dual alternator, and block heater. Plus, get the “camper” package for bed camper. Adds extra sway bars for better normal handling in dry and wet weather. If looking at 250, think 350 single axle. Again, over the many miles into six figures, the 350 underpinnings are so much stronger. 350 uplift price is not much more than 350.
HUD! Woot woot! About time!
I hope you’re well soon, Andre!
Thank you. Getting better every day!
When are we Canadians going to be able to order a new Superduty. Still no models and prices that will be available in Canada
If you keep it to 80% of what the manufacturer rates it at you are probably in the right territory. I personally wouldn't tow 20t with a 4t truck, but if your survival instinct isn't quite as sensitive as mine then go for it.
You should offer the 6.8 in the f150
I hope they get a truck that can actually tow that much, I’m sure it will be a single cab
Tremor package is needed just to drive on Michigan roads. For God's sack! Fix the Roads Gretchen. Also great package to have to pull a big boat out of the water. The boat lunch gets slick.
This guys mentions over and over “pain points” ford customers had towing. And his answers are extremely general, not really answering the question. For example, how did you achieve 40,000 lb towing capacity. His answer: we raised towing capacity across most configurations. We don’t want to go for a few big numbers, we wanted to go across the board.
I'm so glad I haven't caught the virus that makes you randomly say "right?" yet!
It seems the virus is a derivative of the Canadian “eya”, it’s moved into Michigan as “right”. Everyone from the Detroit area or in the auto industry seems infected - they are always looking for agreement - right? Public speaking classes address “um” “aaa”, but now it needs to address “right” after every sentence -right?
Military grade is not a type of aluminum. It's a type of hype. Are they using 6061 or 6063? or 7073(doubtful)????
I’m pretty sure just 6061 but I know that info is out there somewhere
Is the 1200 ft lbs of torque available throughout all gears? Or do they use the progressive torque management thus limiting maximum Horsepower and Torque in the top gears?
They limit torque in the first gears because the axle wouldn’t be able to take it, and they’ve done it for years now.
They need to limit torque in the bottom gears because the transmission multiplies torque. So if the engine put too much torque into the trans in low gears, it would kill the diff / axles.
When are they going to put Trucks back on dealer lots? Can not buy them if not available.
Semi trailers are only 13'6" high. I don't think that there are trailers higher than that and if you are pulling a tall trailer, you should know the height of viaducts and overpasses, if you don't have that knowledge and experience, you shouldn't be pulling a trailer.
If you can't back up the trailer without the "assist "you shouldn't be pulling a trailer
There’s always oversized loads… just a permit away
@@alexmills1329 I know, but they were referring to camping trailers
Its amazing how many engines have been used in the last 20yrs by Ford for their trucks.
I think in 1977 a Chevy 1500 towed 60,000 lbs of logs... Just because it could doesn't mean you should... How do you stop safely without air brakes????
Hauling that much weight you are better off driving a Summit Hauler Freightliner
why did they quit offering the blue metallic color on the super duty trucks. we love that color
Black is the best color. Henry Ford knew that.
75 hp and 250lbs torque from a bigger turbo. I’m looking at buying a 1st gen 6.7 powerstroke rated at 400hp and 800-820lbs, so i should be able to upgrade turbo and the god awful cp4 fuel pump to basically have the same engine as the new one.
I just don’t get it when did they change a standard bed all my life and Iam 68 and a standard bed was always 8’ and they call a short bed as standard .
Andre, please tell this Ford representative there is one major change they missed completely. I do not understand how they missed this since he is boasting all about the massive towing and payload capacity. If towing heavy or heavy payload then you need to provide larger fuel tanks in the short bed trucks. If transfer flow can figure out how to make a 58 gallon tank for the gassers, Ford engineers should also be able to figure that out. Also Ford is missing profit margin. Instead of customers paying transfer flow $2700 for the tank, Ford could be charging for larger tank option and keeping that money instead of it going to an outside vendor.
Take a look at the Ford Super Duty Bulletin for 2023. The F350 Diesel does not list fuel tank sizes. I find it conspicuously absent.
@robertskotnicki1
I'm curious to know what the weight difference is between the 6.7 and 6.7HO....
can't be much since the main difference is just liquid cooling on the turbo, or maybe I am missing something.
Side box steps are big fail. Figure out a better way.
Nobody is removing their spare, that’s ridiculous.
Super duty work trucks have to much fluff running the price up if I want a that high priced fluff I’ll buy a Lincoln or a Cadillac
My pain points would be spending $100,000 to buy the truck and then the transmission failing as soon as the warranty expires.
I think a big part of that is folks wait too long for the first flush. Ford has 100k listed for “normal driving” but these trucks tow… which then says sever 30k miles…. So folks do a flush too late and then it starts slipping
@@christopher.96 Has nothing to do with a flush. Transmissions are failing well under 30k.
@@christopher.96 I have never flushed. Drain, change filters, and fill. Never had a tranny fail and own 2 superduties with over 400k miles. Tow with them daily. Excavator, skid steer, and tool trailers.
diesl 5.50 where i live just sayin
40,000 lb of Towing..... at what point do we need to add air ride so we don't bust our spine when we hit a pothole?
14 foot tall Come on man legal Height is 13-6
That is medium-duty truck territory.
The 6.2/6 speed combo was an absolute dog in the F250. The 10 speed Godzilla combo is night and day different. The new 6.8 is 10% larger displacement than the 6.2 but simpler, more power, better economy, greatly improved drivability we should expect.
But isn't the 6.2 / 6 speed super reliable ??
Born in 1998 means no EGR system and no problems.
Can this reall pull 40,000 pounds.
read their small print in the warranty.
The only time a super Duty is good is when there’s cummins under the hood !!
To bad normal working people can no longer afford the super duty 😕
It’s console not council Jesus man and good Christ w the uuhhhms rant over 😢
23s and up they took away the dana 60. Ford yet again designing a known failure point that's going to cost serious doe.
These trucks are getting thinner metal and lighter weights and can tow 40k lbs? Something doesn't add up here and there are more people with more .money than brains
Chevy GMC For Life
So I have towed 25,000 with my ram 3500 many times and exceeded that maximum towing capacity by three or 4 tons in many cases but there is a safety margin that seems to be missing from Ford and if anyone who’s a mechanic knows these trucks or has towing understanding there isn’t any difference between a 3500 ram and a 3500 Ford that are similar in capability but Ford will always state that their vehicle can tow much more than I believe is safe with these vehicles as they are similarly equipped what Ford want you to believe is that ram can’t build a truck capable of these towing numbers, they already have what they’ve decided is not to get involved in liability by pushing the limit beyond where it should be that is left to the “customer“ if we want to exceed those numbers we can the liability falls on us. Ford seems to be just pulling numbers out of the air, Like they usually do and it’s going to come back and bite them when one of these trucks fails and hurt someone any ram truck similar equipped is just as capable as any Ford but anyone who toes heavy loads knows when they’re at the limit of the truck regardless of what the sticker says on the door I have friends who have towed loads that were as heavy as I’ve pulled behind my ram and they struggled and yet the door sticker said that truck was capable of that weight there is a lie being perpetrated by Ford who just wants to have the top number at any cost and believe me the cost will come as they have decided to leave “reality“ and just pull numbers out their butt. there are hot shutters that will tell you that a Ford will pull very heavy loads but has a very tough time holding them back coming down the mountain and it only takes one mistake or one failed part remember the entire drivetrain suspension and even the frame obviously all have to have the same capability including the engine I’m holding that weight back that means the engine has to have the capability of holding back 40,000 pounds which is different than moving 40,000 pounds , and the brakes have to do all the work to bring that load to a stop, everyone needs to remember that part of the equation there’s a reason that maximums are set inside of a margin of safety I don’t believe Ford is staying within the margin of safety but exceeding it and leaving none. I can feel it in my bones there is an incident coming because someone will try to tow these numbers and the truck will fail. towing at the Ike gauntlet is a short test and not reflective of what happens in the real world after you have 150,000 miles on the vehicle., It’s just one example people who understand this and know better would not want to have 40,000 pounds behind them in a power stroke coming down the gauntlet lol whether it’s new or three years old, there is a reason they put air brakes on a school bus because they are more than capable of bringing the load to a stop in any circumstance even if they were hot they are still capable so the margin of safety is 50% more capability on the braking of a school bus.
Uh, the days of exaggerating payload and towing numbers is long gone bro. Ford isn't exaggerating squat. All manufacturers have to abide by SAE J2807 standards to get the numbers they are printing.
So, it's not Ford trying to get the consumer to believe Ram can't keep up, it's an actual engineered standard that's stating it.
Bottom line, Ram and GM are getting beat and quite honestly, Ford can simply just turn a dial and get whatever they want to obtain out of the 6.7 and there is nothing Ram or GM can do about it. IDK, maybe take another buyout and develop something new.
What's even funnier, Ford fully redesigned the 2023 and it's still much cheaper than the newest Ram that didn't change anything. Ram just jacked their pricing up for no reason.
Your competition is GM, beat them first before you try to compete with Ford (you cant).
Typical dodge owner… “my Cummins can do over sticker safely all day, but that new Ford that no one has driven yet, that thing will kill people hauling it’s rated load” over loaders are the problem.
I find it interesting that this guy is so concerned about what the customers have to say?
Seems like Ford isn't at all concerned about customers when it comes to warranty and other problems 🤔
How about the disastrous years of the 6.0 & 6.4 diesels? Howabout the forever "Death Wabble" problems that they refuse to acknowledge? And more recently the 10spd transmission issues just to name a few???
And finally the world class piss-poor dealership Quick Lane customer service.
This guy just seemed to be towing the company narrative, sketchy. Not impressed.
If the ford tows 40k lbs, it should break within a mile or 2.
Kind of like the GM EV Hummer did for TFL?
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Someone give this man a lifetime achievement award for posting first in a TH-cam comments. What a huge accomplishment! Wow! ABC mouse worked for you! 😂
Are the trucks going to become available - production wise? And is ford controlling the dealerships and keeping them from ridiculous mark-ups…
Markups will be a non issue next year the way the economy is going.
@@underscr0e Sad but true
The market is about to be flooded with 2022s that are finally shipped with chips installed. So, supply will prevent dealers from being able to justify markups. I ordered my 2023 super duty for $1k under MSRP. I think people buying from dealer inventory will do even better than I did
Except for 450s, dealers in my area have been marking down SD trucks for months.
@@AkioWasRight 450 steering is soooo much better.