This isn’t only negatively impacting women, the men consuming the content are also experiencing “damage.” When men consume adult content they are influencing and training their brain receptors to view sexual interactions as a drug. It’s really sad all around. And somehow women are getting the brunt of blame for this when it’s other men creating these platforms to profit off other men’s addictions. We live in crazy times.
@@BSdetector24 that’s a super important point that I should have brought up in my video! The impact on men is reinforcing the already terrible misogyny in society so by them seeing this content it triggers almost an acceptance. Great point!
And my final complaint, I feel like if someone is going to mention caring about children, then they should have mentioned that they foster or were in Big Brother Big Sister or something. Because otherwise that's just an excuse; it was never about children.
I challenge the idea of consent in all of this. I think Lilly is very unwell mentally. Her dad was ok with his guy friends seeing her content and her mom is her manager. I think there are deep trauma and we don't take consent from people with mental illness because they are not truly consenting. It's why minors can't consent. And I think most sex workers have trauma (Laura Martin-Tomo and Sanmartin, 2023; just to name one of many studies) or enough desperation that consent becomes meaningless, same way we wouldn't make the homeless do obscene things for money. Preying on their desperation is wrong. The sex work industry preys on it and many many MANY creators are being taken advantage of. None of this should be legal in order to protect the vulnerable even if Sally feels ok switching from her 9 to 5 for a little extra freedom and luxury. I have no anger or hate towards OF creators, only sadness. And people can say it's misogynistic and looking down on them, but I'd rather ''keep women down'' if it means stopping the fueling of trafficking. Sorry, not sorry
@@stylesclash1123 couldn’t have said it better myself! There is obviously no fault to the creators if their trauma is fueling this behavior but the implications don’t seem good no matter which way you look.
I think that there are no bad choices, on consequences. We cannot try to say success doesn't come from OF when OBVIOUSLY it does. And money/validation from that is only bad if the consequences later are bad. If she made 2 million and didn’t have to worry about public outcry, the conversation would be different. Kim K is a billionaire and branched fromna sex tape.
@@lorettaknoelk3475 interesting take! Do you believe that the “extreme” nature of some of these OF creators make it less ok? And at what point is success a green light for this kind of content?
Without public outcry she wouldn't earn any money... This profession... doesn't require any special qualifications, education or experience, etc... you just have to be able to sell your own dignity. People in this business usually value quick profits in the short term more than in the long term and agree at least initialy to take on such a burden (stigma for money). Interestingly, in the documentary, even her promoter's face was blurred - she probably knows more such women and understands the consequences a little better.
Respectfully, this doesn't make sense. Bad choices are defined by consequences of said choice. And the negative consequences of OF far outweigh any positive (basically only money). OF is generally a bad choice, sorry not sorry
Alright... firstly, great video. Very well put and interesting. So this is my take but first, as a man, let me get this out of the way: I don't presume to know how it feels to be a woman so there's a lot of things that I just cannot understand. However, as a psychologist, the ramifications of this cannot be ignored. This whole conversation definitely has to be built on the framework of worldviews. Because even things like stigma and judgement have to be defined. But to not make a "response video" of a comment, let me just say that the concept of OF itself works because of the nature of men's sexuality. We are predominantly visual - it begins from that level. So it only checks out that it's men who make up majority of the population addicted to pornography and by extension, make up the majority of OF content consumers. This affects men negatively in two ways: leads to rewiring of the brain which makes them dependent on this content, thus their social skills decline over time and then two, objectification as you've mentioned. These two are correlated but are also quite independent. I think the big issue that underpins all this is: from what worldview are we tackling these issues? Because without this, all reforms become very temporary and quite subjective. Feminism ends up just being a war against men and men decide to pick up arms (either actively or by proxy). Frankly, I don't support OF or sex workers. I understand that people are doing/will do all they can to survive, but like you've said: to whose detriment?
@@Bradchacha beautifully worded 👏🏽 It seems like OF doesn’t benefit either party: the creator or the watcher (except through monetary or sexual gain) which don’t seem worth the stress or trauma that occurs
@HeyyItsShae_ why thank you 🙏🏾. It really doesn't. But your video asks a good question in the grand...or maybe not so grand, scheme of things. I just hope people take time to actually think about this and not just, pass it by as they would, preferred OF content creators.
You spend most of your time bashing Katy than talking about OF so It seems like you have more of a problem with Katy rather than OF. You also seem to be taking away a lot of her own agency by suggesting she doing any of this solely because she has mental issues. Like, it's ok to be incensed by what Katy does for OF. But really the title of the video should be, "Is Katy Robertson anti-women?"
@@HeyyItsShae_ I didn't even know who she was until I saw your video. And I don't know enough about her or what she does to really comment. But I learned a lot more about her than I did about OF watching the video. But that's more or less the critique, the video is about Katy, not OF.
@@bizarro8908 strange since Katy was one of 2 creators I mentioned and the one with the least screen time. Maybe try and listen to the reasons why I mentioned the creators to respond with something insightful
@@HeyyItsShae_ No you're right, there's two people you talk about. So the video is about two people doing OF that you disagree with, not about OF. This is a personal reaction video dressed up to be more than the title suggests. But after rewatching, It seems to me that you are upset that both of them leaned into empowering themselves with something, and in such a way, that you disagree with and are pinning feminist regression on their shoulders. That seems unfair. It’s a far stretch to suggest that these two models are dragging down all of feminist progress because they’re acting weird on OF. But a lot of the comments you make seem unfair. Like pegging her mental to what she doing. Or defining what success looks like for either of them. Like, again, really it feels like you’re attaching your personal negative experience or disagreement you've had their content and their experiences with regressive feminism when they are informed, consenting, apparently organized, professional adults. And how is that fair or not anti-women?
@ I appreciate you breaking it down! You’re absolutely right. It’s unfair to pin it on the shoulders of these 2 but there seems to be a theme of women thinking that this is attainable. The idea that only fans gives you a guaranteed pay day is harmful especially when taking into consideration the extremities they took. Do you feel like the nature of their content and the lengths they go to genuinely seem empowering to you?
are you a psychiatrist? lily can stop at anytime, nobody is forcing her. she can end this on her own terms. im pushed to my limit by my corporate job, i get no lasting recognition except for a little salary bump. not every career is empowering and not everybody gets to have noteworthy lifetime achievements and its ok. id agree more if you argued that lily is underpaid, or financially abused by her manager. sex workers need to be more supported and earn more imo. and they should be free to do whatever with their body without being shamed
@@NOMVrewq I can appreciate that perspective. To view it as a “job” makes sense, but do you believe that the extremity of the acts she’s taking is worth the money she makes? Similarly, if, let’s say, a coal miner or someone with a job that involves strenuous and dangerous tasks were paid a comfortable wage, does that make the job ok?
This isn’t only negatively impacting women, the men consuming the content are also experiencing “damage.” When men consume adult content they are influencing and training their brain receptors to view sexual interactions as a drug. It’s really sad all around. And somehow women are getting the brunt of blame for this when it’s other men creating these platforms to profit off other men’s addictions. We live in crazy times.
@@BSdetector24 that’s a super important point that I should have brought up in my video!
The impact on men is reinforcing the already terrible misogyny in society so by them seeing this content it triggers almost an acceptance.
Great point!
And my final complaint, I feel like if someone is going to mention caring about children, then they should have mentioned that they foster or were in Big Brother Big Sister or something. Because otherwise that's just an excuse; it was never about children.
I challenge the idea of consent in all of this. I think Lilly is very unwell mentally. Her dad was ok with his guy friends seeing her content and her mom is her manager. I think there are deep trauma and we don't take consent from people with mental illness because they are not truly consenting. It's why minors can't consent. And I think most sex workers have trauma (Laura Martin-Tomo and Sanmartin, 2023; just to name one of many studies) or enough desperation that consent becomes meaningless, same way we wouldn't make the homeless do obscene things for money. Preying on their desperation is wrong.
The sex work industry preys on it and many many MANY creators are being taken advantage of. None of this should be legal in order to protect the vulnerable even if Sally feels ok switching from her 9 to 5 for a little extra freedom and luxury.
I have no anger or hate towards OF creators, only sadness. And people can say it's misogynistic and looking down on them, but I'd rather ''keep women down'' if it means stopping the fueling of trafficking. Sorry, not sorry
@@stylesclash1123 couldn’t have said it better myself! There is obviously no fault to the creators if their trauma is fueling this behavior but the implications don’t seem good no matter which way you look.
I think that there are no bad choices, on consequences.
We cannot try to say success doesn't come from OF when OBVIOUSLY it does.
And money/validation from that is only bad if the consequences later are bad.
If she made 2 million and didn’t have to worry about public outcry, the conversation would be different.
Kim K is a billionaire and branched fromna sex tape.
yeah and she has a lot of female fans too
@@lorettaknoelk3475 interesting take! Do you believe that the “extreme” nature of some of these OF creators make it less ok? And at what point is success a green light for this kind of content?
Without public outcry she wouldn't earn any money... This profession... doesn't require any special qualifications, education or experience, etc... you just have to be able to sell your own dignity. People in this business usually value quick profits in the short term more than in the long term and agree at least initialy to take on such a burden (stigma for money).
Interestingly, in the documentary, even her promoter's face was blurred - she probably knows more such women and understands the consequences a little better.
Respectfully, this doesn't make sense. Bad choices are defined by consequences of said choice. And the negative consequences of OF far outweigh any positive (basically only money). OF is generally a bad choice, sorry not sorry
Alright... firstly, great video. Very well put and interesting.
So this is my take but first, as a man, let me get this out of the way: I don't presume to know how it feels to be a woman so there's a lot of things that I just cannot understand.
However, as a psychologist, the ramifications of this cannot be ignored. This whole conversation definitely has to be built on the framework of worldviews. Because even things like stigma and judgement have to be defined. But to not make a "response video" of a comment, let me just say that the concept of OF itself works because of the nature of men's sexuality. We are predominantly visual - it begins from that level. So it only checks out that it's men who make up majority of the population addicted to pornography and by extension, make up the majority of OF content consumers. This affects men negatively in two ways: leads to rewiring of the brain which makes them dependent on this content, thus their social skills decline over time and then two, objectification as you've mentioned. These two are correlated but are also quite independent.
I think the big issue that underpins all this is: from what worldview are we tackling these issues? Because without this, all reforms become very temporary and quite subjective. Feminism ends up just being a war against men and men decide to pick up arms (either actively or by proxy). Frankly, I don't support OF or sex workers. I understand that people are doing/will do all they can to survive, but like you've said: to whose detriment?
@@Bradchacha beautifully worded 👏🏽
It seems like OF doesn’t benefit either party: the creator or the watcher (except through monetary or sexual gain) which don’t seem worth the stress or trauma that occurs
@HeyyItsShae_ why thank you 🙏🏾.
It really doesn't. But your video asks a good question in the grand...or maybe not so grand, scheme of things.
I just hope people take time to actually think about this and not just, pass it by as they would, preferred OF content creators.
Doesn’t OF/Feminism means no to dating, marrying or regular jobs?
❤ good video
You spend most of your time bashing Katy than talking about OF so It seems like you have more of a problem with Katy rather than OF. You also seem to be taking away a lot of her own agency by suggesting she doing any of this solely because she has mental issues. Like, it's ok to be incensed by what Katy does for OF. But really the title of the video should be, "Is Katy Robertson anti-women?"
Ahhh a fan of Katy I see.
Well then why don’t you add to the conversation? How does Katy not feed into the anti-woman content and is instead a victim?
@@HeyyItsShae_ I didn't even know who she was until I saw your video. And I don't know enough about her or what she does to really comment. But I learned a lot more about her than I did about OF watching the video. But that's more or less the critique, the video is about Katy, not OF.
@@bizarro8908 strange since Katy was one of 2 creators I mentioned and the one with the least screen time. Maybe try and listen to the reasons why I mentioned the creators to respond with something insightful
@@HeyyItsShae_ No you're right, there's two people you talk about. So the video is about two people doing OF that you disagree with, not about OF. This is a personal reaction video dressed up to be more than the title suggests.
But after rewatching, It seems to me that you are upset that both of them leaned into empowering themselves with something, and in such a way, that you disagree with and are pinning feminist regression on their shoulders. That seems unfair. It’s a far stretch to suggest that these two models are dragging down all of feminist progress because they’re acting weird on OF. But a lot of the comments you make seem unfair. Like pegging her mental to what she doing. Or defining what success looks like for either of them. Like, again, really it feels like you’re attaching your personal negative experience or disagreement you've had their content and their experiences with regressive feminism when they are informed, consenting, apparently organized, professional adults. And how is that fair or not anti-women?
@ I appreciate you breaking it down!
You’re absolutely right. It’s unfair to pin it on the shoulders of these 2 but there seems to be a theme of women thinking that this is attainable. The idea that only fans gives you a guaranteed pay day is harmful especially when taking into consideration the extremities they took. Do you feel like the nature of their content and the lengths they go to genuinely seem empowering to you?
are you a psychiatrist? lily can stop at anytime, nobody is forcing her. she can end this on her own terms. im pushed to my limit by my corporate job, i get no lasting recognition except for a little salary bump. not every career is empowering and not everybody gets to have noteworthy lifetime achievements and its ok.
id agree more if you argued that lily is underpaid, or financially abused by her manager. sex workers need to be more supported and earn more imo. and they should be free to do whatever with their body without being shamed
@@NOMVrewq I can appreciate that perspective. To view it as a “job” makes sense, but do you believe that the extremity of the acts she’s taking is worth the money she makes?
Similarly, if, let’s say, a coal miner or someone with a job that involves strenuous and dangerous tasks were paid a comfortable wage, does that make the job ok?