It’s easy to retcon anything and make alternate stories. It is way difficult to write new things and settings without looking unoriginal. What you said it’s what I want to see the most.
oh hells yeah! i was so disappointed in the new shows going backwards in the timeline. at least Picard is the first step in trying to move Star Trek forward a little bit.
@@diosnelfrica7589 I respectfully disagree. New stories are not that difficult. People write them all the time. I think is more an issue of laziness and convenient way to recton Trek with their vision.
Exactly. The shows today are obsessed with timelines, endless action sequences, and serialized plots. The spirit of adventure in exploring new worlds is just gone.
Beta content claims it's Q related. Big complicated story, so you might as well just go to the wiki to read it if you're interested. But basically it's about something with the power equal or greater to a Q that had even less moral qualms than Q. Q didn't like the stunts it was pulling with the mortal races, so they kicked it out of the Milkyway and made the barrier.
@TheBobBrom More like the Q seem to like a lot of races originating from our galaxy, including humanity and Iconians. They are protecting their pet projects. :D
@TheBobBrom I don't think so. The Alpha and Beta canon don't directly address that as far as I know. They seem to just like the Milky Way as far as I can tell.
“Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.”
@@gabelogan5877 Considering that the only two species that could do extra-galactic travel; the Ancients and the Asgard. It's not that Starfleet needs to invest in some new interstellar tech, but that compared to those other races, the races of the Star Trek universe are mere babes. The Ancients were doing extra-galactic travel 50-100 million years ago while the Asgard were doing so around 30 thousand years ago. The fact that Starfleet and the federation was able to create such a large amount of territory in around 200 years is amazing. By the 29th century Starfleet has perfected time travel and is able to watch, maintain and repair the timelines. This feat is accomplished with Starfleet existing from under 700 years. Each civilization has its benefits but remember that Starfleet is infinitely younger than the Stargate civilizations that created extra-galactic travel.
@@steeltimberwolf It would be interesting to compare the Star Trek races with the Transformers. They'd been around millions of years, but probably only explored the galaxy due to their on-going civil war. If they had gotten to a Federation level of relative peace and discovery, who know how far they could have gone.
The main reason I think they haven’t gone to Andromeda: “The Chase.” Before “The Chase,” we could all just ignore the fact that there are too many humanoid species in Trek (that is, any at all that aren’t from Earth). We all understood that it was because it hard to find a tentacular glob of slime with a SAG card. But “The Chase” established a species of humanoid progenitors who seeded the galaxy to make all those humanoid species... implying other galaxies don’t have them. Which essentially means every local alien encountered in exploring Andromeda has to be CG or an even more expensive practical effect. Which is too bad because it would be AWESOME.
"because it hard to find a tentacular glob of slime with a SAG card" True, most of the tentacled globs of slime are directors or producers rather than working actors. Still, you do see some exceptions to that rule.
Star Trek retconned itself before I'm sure they'll do it again if they want to use the Andromeda Galaxy... much to our disgust... because 'The Chase' was one of TNG best episodes, that scene at the end with Picard and the Romulan commander pure poetry.
They *could* have some work arounds to have humanoids in Andromeda... In the video he mentioned Riker running into some human-related society that got lost due to early warp experiments. We know the Federation will have time manipulation technology eventually, so they could possibly have a ship or 3 get lost in early time travel experiments -- like they jump back a billion years, can't get back, and decide to go to the Andromeda Galaxy so they don't mess up the Milky Way. That way they don't need to retcon anything. Humans end up in all sorts of random places by accident
@@davidtuttle7556 There are no promotion opportunities amongst a crew of about 150 that is completely cut off from its parent organisation. USS Voyager veterans would be freaking rockstars after surviving a seven-year mission in deep space, Kim probably skipped Lieutenant (JG) altogether and got his pick of future postings!
@@Azraiel213 most militaries have brevet ratings (temporary rank) for wartime or other special circumstances where they will revert back to their permanent rank afterwards. A good example is George Custer, who during the Civil War was breveted all the way to Brigadier but whose rank was never made permanent and so after the war returned to being a Major and later LtC. Kim merited at least a temporary promotion to Lt. JG.
considering that the Sagittarius dwarf galaxy is in the process of getting consumed by the milky way, it would be interesting to see some species from that galaxy migrate over and shake up the current galactic order.
@@Swiftbow Andromeda and the Milky Way will rather merge than collide, so, you're right. The most dramatic change may occur with both central massive blackholes and the stars on their path. Besides that I think that the increase of space debris will pose a larger threat of collision with stars and planets than a star or an entire planetary system to collide with each other. And even those debris will not be a significantly larger threat than now. I'm Just saying that the probability of star collisions will be near zero. Otherwise, the gravitacional disturbance over the components of a planetary system like ours might be unpredictable (with our current knowledge) but also tends to be minimal or even irrelevant, since this galactic merge will take millions of years, and the gravitational pull of the sun will prevail.
@@hackembacker By then we could have evolved into energy beings or developed the tech to move entire star systems out of the way of the super massive black holes.
I would love it if the Star Trek franchise took a page from Stargate: Universe and did a series that took place in a different galaxy. Very different setting, aliens no longer look humanish because no sapient races are the result of the seeding done by the first race that arose in the Milky Way
@@vic5015 "This is not our true appearance. Our make-up artists could only afford brow ridges and prosthetic ears. We said nah;" couldn't get what they wanted so didn't want to spend time in makeup.
@@vic5015 I see you like being smart... so... both octopuses and octopi are acceptable plurals. The reason for the octopi plural is because some people mistakenly associate octopus with Latin words like syllabus and alumnus. ... However, the word octopus is actually of Greek origin. The plural of octopus in Greek is, in fact, octopodes .
You have to keep in mind that around the same time as the Traveler incident, Geordi also claimed there was some space phenom that was millions of degrees cooler than absolute zero, so...
*Starfleet arrives in the M31 Galaxy* "Captain, we have an incoming signal." "On the viewscreen." *Kevin Sorbo appears on the screen* "AND WE ARE OUT OF HERE!"
@@optillian4182An unused concept created by Roddenberry was turned into a show called Andromeda by Majel Barrett & Robert Hewitt Wolfe. The show is about a spaceship captain for the Commonwealth (a Federation stand-in) who is stranded at the event horizon of a Black Hole for 1000 years and once freed discovers that the Commonwealth had fallen hundreds of years ago. He then sets out with a ragtag team to rebuild the Commonwealth. It is infamous because of its squandered potential due to the main lead's, Kevin Sorbo, massive ego and he demanded more creative control turning it into "Hercules in space". It is one of the very few shows I quit in sheer boredom.
@@optillian4182 Rommie was the name of the android avatar of Lexa Doig, who played the AI of the Andromeda Ascendant, which was the hero ship. Its on Amazon Prime.
1:36 *Edwin* Hubble! The concept of races fleeing Andromeda, factoring in the Iconian story from STO, almost implies the Iconians are at war with other races within Andromeda and causing their destruction. No doubt, their gateway technology would easily allow this to take place. It may even explain where some of their servitor races originate. After seeing your brilliant STO series, I'd be fascinated to see a TNG-style exploration series where a gateway (implied Iconian) is discovered by Starfleet in unclaimed space, and opens to a corresponding gate in the Andromeda galaxy (bonus points if you can see one side from the other). Some DS9 characteristics can also be factored in, such as a few episodes on a station either next to or part of the gate on Andromeda's side, or even a full-scale war against an Andromeda faction that forces the usual Alpha quadrant powers to unite once again. This would have to be done with a TNG or DS9 style, though; the modern format is, quite frankly, _complete garbage._
They tried that once already with the Dominion War, and it made for a great show at the time, because as a species we crave conflict, but it's a used formula, and besides that, there are too many disparate factions within the Avalon Galaxy (I'll never call it the Milky Way again after coming up with this!) to ever unite as one against an extragalactic threat. Trying to out-Dominion the Doninion would lead to a stale product, and there wouldn't be such great ratings like what we had with DS9.
@@azerdraco3146 My point exactly. How in the heck would Star Trek top that, aside from introducing some Trekified version of the Yuuzhan Vong from Star Wars Legends?
@@Robert_Douglass Check my comment on the main video thread. As a TL:DR ... take the best parts of Voyager, DS9, and both TOS and TNG. Drop that into the "Starship Frontier" story style of Enterprise and even Firefly ... And through it all, throw in the interspecies tensions between Romulans, Klingons, and all the Feddy races.
Except the Iconians weren't from the Andromeda Galaxy. They were the first humanoid species to develop after the Preservers started seeding planets, and one of the few that actually got to meet their creators in person. The destruction of the Iconian Empire happened in the distant past, not in another galaxy, and it's unlikely that the Iconians ever even reached another galaxy since they could have just evacuated their entire civilization and rebuilt their forces rather than having to go into hiding.
In the cousin series Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda, the Systems Commonwealth covers several galaxies, and the Andromeda Ascendent can travel between them. Slipstream drive can potentially travel much farther than warp drive. It basically bypasses empty portions of space.
If I remember right it still took months. And slipstream requires active piloting which is exhausting. Stargate broke the record by only needing a couple weeks by hyperdrive.
Warp is mostly anywhere to anywhere, and the exceptions are mostly places sane people would want to avoid. Slipstream only works between node points, and many destinations require hopping through several node points with potentially long realspace spans in between. Add in the detail that an organic brain is required to intuit slipspace and the trips can be inconvenient.
In "Catspaw", Koreb and Sylvia are supposed to be explorers from another galaxy, driven somewhat insane by taking human form, though Koreb's training and decency saves him from going completely overboard.
Crazy to think that Star Trek mainly takes place in one galaxy and all it’s vastness but there are literally TRILLIONS of galaxies out there. Thats just mind blowing.
Why would they? One Galaxy like the MW is large enough to accommodate most any Sci-Fi needs. The only sci-fi series that actually did extragalactic invaders worth beans was Star Wars Legends.
@@darwinxavier3516 The Wrath from Stargate are from the Pegasus Galaxy and we don't really know the name of the Galaxy where the Ori and the Ancients are from from what was told to us in the show :D
Where would I set my ideal series? He's an idea: Starfleet finds a wormhole to another Galaxy and finds another exact copy of Earth. The central mystery would bring up the copycat Earths from TOS such as Miri's world/Earth 2. They would find more and more Earths and It might culminate in finding the original "Earth" locked in a temporal stasis bubble while an advanced species or species from the planet (maybe the original Voth-like race and/or "Humans" working together) has been creating the other Earths in a long term effort to save the original from some unknown calamity with each copy Earth being an experiment to try out some different variable.
I’ve always thought this is where a future Star Trek should be set. The future federation as a unified milkyway galaxy attempts to send the ultimate humanitarian mission to save the Andromeda galaxy.
I want to see a temporary connection with Stargate via Multiversum WARP 9 vs asgard FTL: D or stargats teleport: D In addition, with this expedition you write about it may be too easy remember that the federation has been almost completely destroyed in the Discovery series, its rebuilding will probably take hundreds of years and so far the mushroom drive will probably completely replace the WARP drive
@@Darlf_Sevil There are a variety of ways they could address it. It could be set even further in the future than Discovery or its set before 'the burn'. If it's before the 'burn' the mission could be something where contact is lost because of the burn and gets forgotten, with some amount of conflict revolving around whether they should turn back or continue this mission. If its set after Discovery, some form of the spore drive could always be how they're able to actually travel to another galaxy in a reasonable amount of time.
@@slamapoop Honestly, TNG with its luxurious Galaxy class on a continuing mission that involved not only civilians but family and especially children make a lot more sense as a generational ship sent to another galaxy to carry the flag for the Federation. Reading the TNG technical manual and seeing limitations being put on what TNG era Warp can be because it would make the Milky Way too small always bummed me out. Needed a science advisor cause even in the mid 80's they knew of millions, and potentially billions, and theoretically infinite galaxies out there.
I sometimes wonder if Gene Roddenberry thought that "another galaxy" is the same as saying another solar system within our galaxy but only really from a faraway corner of the Milky Way.
I was just about the make the same objection when I saw this post. Although the "other" galaxy is never named, my head cannon has always been Andromeda because of the other two examples. Also, the Tholians (TOS: The Tholian Web) fled " Messier 81, or Bode's Galaxy" before ending up in the Milky Way.
@@eyecomeinpeace2707 Yeah maybe, I know he expressed a concern with making Warp too fast cause it would make the Milky Way too small...and I was like, even in the 60's let alone the 80's we knew there were a large number of galaxies out there.
@@rubaiyat300 Agreed. In the late 60's I would literally live at Toronto's Planetarium everyday. It was the only place in the world for me where I felt I can truly be out in space. I loved the planetarium's exhibits, it was dark with portholes in the halls where I can glimpse otherworldly landscapes and space scenes. And then there was the gift shop. I always loved buying posters of different Messier galaxies and nebula's which I would have hanging in my room. So I guess my point is yes, we knew about such things already.
Listen; when you're thinking big, think bigger than the biggest thing ever and then some. Much bigger than that in fact, really amazingly immense, a totally stunning size, real 'wow, that's big', time. It's just so big that by comparison, bigness itself looks really titchy. Gigantic multiplied by colossal multiplied by staggeringly huge is the sort of concept we're trying to get across here.
@@CertifiablyIngame *and you really can't trust the possible directions from the strange lifeforms you encounter along the way either or their possible nefarious motivations for deception* *aliens after all tend to be sneaky when dealing with humans*
When I was playing Mass Effect Andromeda I kept on thinking how its setting would actually make for a great Trek game or show. The setting that I would have is that some time following the Dominion War, the Alpha and Beta powers come together to construct a massive space station/exploration ship dubbed the Unity. Star Trek Unity would follow the ship's adventures as they explore a new galaxy. Worf would be the ship's captain and have a crew representing a lot of the major powers were have seen in past shows. Despite the ship held as an example of how far Trek races had come in working together old grudges and blood feuds threaten to bring the ship into anarchy. The ship will be facing some external threats from new mysteries alien races as well.
Sounds a lot like Stargate: Universe :D I agree though, having some of the species we're familiar with discover totally new lifeforms could be the soft "reset" these later ST series have been trying for while retaining the adventure/mystery of the old series. Imagine a coalition where Starfleet isn't in charge. Imagine universal translators not being dependable. Imagine seeing how Klingons or Cardassians make first contact. Imagine meeting aliens where humanoid-forms are the exception. There's so much potential there!
How different species make first contact: Federation: Can we talk to it? Ferengi: Can we cheat it? Romulans: Can we kill it? Cardassians: Can we exploit it? Klingons: Can we fight it? Q: Can we toy with it? Borg: Can we assimilate it? Species 8472: Let's kill it. Kirk/Riker: Can I bang it?
I think the old Star Fleet Battles lore had a small collection of extra-galactic factions. IIRC it had the Tholians coming from beyond the Milky Way with 2 divisons of them. One a military remnant and the other the standard Tholians.
The lore hasn't changed, and still bears about zero resemblance to actual Trek canon. Tholians were explicitly two waves of refugees from a fallen extragalactic empire, the Seltorians are a species of their former subject races that were vindictive enough to follow them to settle old scores, and the Andromedans (who don't seem to have anything to do with the Kelvans and never communicated with anyone local) are still from Andromeda originally. There are also supplements with at least three different species from the Small Magellanic Cloud and more in the Triangulum Galaxy itself, although I burned out on the game years ago and don't know much about those. Oh, and I think the "Juggernaut" unmanned Berserker-style starship(s) (can't recall if the added classes of them are "simulator designs" or "real" in SFB canon) were also from outside the Milky Way. All in all it's kind of a silly setting, optimized for tabletop wargaming.
It really bothers me that they find life from another galaxy (even if they found other dimensions with life) and just kinda go “yeah so these extragalactic aliens are pretty...human looking”
Whenever Trek (and to be honest, Hollywood in general) overloads my suspension of disbelief on human-like aliens I go re-read some of White's Sector General or Smith's Lensmen books and it makes me feel better for a while. I'd like to include CJ Cherryh's work in that list, but honestly she's better at psychologically-alien aliens than physically-alien ones - few too many humanoids in her books, and many coming close to anthropomorphic Terran animals. Although the methane-breather races in her Compact novels are *really* far out there as proper aliens should be.
TBH it *has* to be that way. Not necessarily due to budget constraints, but primarily for story telling. It's impossible for humans to read the faces of fish or insects, let alone sentient plants or whatever alien life would look like. So basically choosing more alien looking creatures would remove our ability to recognise them as sentient/sapient beings and communicating emotions via facial expressions would become impossible. That's why you see human faces even on the Ents in LotR and that's why game developers had to turn Shelob into a woman in Shadow of War [ th-cam.com/video/xdKvzBfJAus/w-d-xo.html ]. Interaction between the main character and her persona in the story could only be depicted convincingly (or understandably) that way. We are hardwired to see non-human forms as animals and to regard them non-sapient by default. That's why the stereotypical Greys give us the creeps - our brains just cannot decide whether to see them as animals or sapient beings. Just watch the difference of your own perception of the alien in Paul (2011) if I change the eyes from alien to human (as used in the movie): imgur.com/2QkDWB9 imgur.com/miOBAYv
Yeah, there is a reason the milky way has humanoids throughout. Another galaxy should have some amount of convergent evolution, but not to the extent of being an actually seeded biological entity as was shown in TNG.
At 0:45 he says, "It's a little known fact that space is big." Well, I would beg to differ. I think that's a very well known fact. As a matter of fact, I just happen to have here a copy of a very popular travel guide in which it says and I quote, “Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.” So. There's that.
I always thought that having an intergalactic Trek series--that is, having a Federation starship go to the Andromeda or some other galaxy, would be a good premise for a future Star Trek series. We've already had Trek series that have gone to the Gamma and Delta quadrants of our own galaxy--granted that there are still large regions of this galaxy that are unexplored. Such a new intergalactic Trek series would have to involve some new kind of technology such as an artificial wormhole generator, fold-space, transwarp, or other means to make the trip possible.
Extra galactic Star Trek has a similar problem with realistic propulsion. It takes so long to get to somewhere interesting that you have to tell a very different sort of story.
@@joshuahillerup4290 they already suspended disbelief with BS drives in 1964, so... Solar system Spiral Arm Quadrant Milky Way other Galaxies Multiverse Write something and... "Engage" It is all fantasy like Gulliver's Travels.
Honestly, I wonder if some of TNG's roots were in that very idea. Would explain the name Galaxy class, the relative luxury and presence of families on a continuing mission (ie even longer than 5 years). Heck, would even explain a journey to Farpoint station and picking up crew along the way.
@@STho205 Problem with that kind of mindset. If you start going against your own established limitations, it makes it way easier to throw in deus ex machinas. Even contrivium tech needs to be reasonable for its setting or else its just magic and we have no reason to care anymore about the stakes.
Remember that the Kelvans upgraded the Enterprise's engines with their vastly superior technology so that they could make the trip in only 300 years. It's stated that otherwise it would have taken thousands of years at high warp. Also, I think the Doomsday Weapon was also stated in the episode to be from outside our galaxy, if memory serves.
What setting would I like? I'll like anything if they ditch the tired and lazy grim dark nonsense and give us some good old fashioned optimistic exploration.
Star Trek is supposed to be a commentary on the real world. The '60s were post-Civil Rights, in the middle of the Space Race, and... Hippies. So things were optimistic. Today is... very much less optimistic, therefore so is today's Trek.
Roddenberry's mission statement was to make an optimistic future with a united humanity peacefully exploring the galaxy. Even it's darkest series DS9 had an underlying optimism to it.
@@Ideo7Z but he was dead by then. The war mongers had free reign. Once they played through copying the first two seasons from the B5 pitch outline andpilot script that Paramount read and passed on...they had to have mega wars to keep up with SG1 and B5 season 3. It is a competitive business and wargamers of the 80s wanted space war in the 90s
@@STho205 While I agree that DS9 in its later seasons moved away from the optimistic view of the future given to us in TOS and TNG, the series served as a necessary deconstruction of that future. Let's be honest, the utopian world of especially TNG was starting to become boring and it did not really reflect the real world anymore. The 90s were this weird time after the hedonistic 80s but prior to the paranoid 00s. The US had "won" the cold war, some philosophers and historians foolishly declared the end of history. A series that wanted to continue to give useful social commentary and insight had to challenge this sentiment. That's what DS9 did. And the war with its big space battles was less a reaction to other scifi shows but more to a general trend in the entertainment industry that started in the mid 90s and that was that action and destruction was what the general audiences apparently wanted to see. Now, and that's just opinion, I think that DS9 handled this lust for seeing these things rather well and paired it with for the most part clever writing. But it definitely wasn't something Roddenberry would have loved to see.
An interesting connection to Andromeda being a dying galaxy was in Mass Effect: Andromeda where the Galaxy is also dying because its precursors terraforming is failing
I only played partway through it but I kind of got the impression that we were being reverse Kelvins. We were escaping from a *dying galaxy and at first we didn't really care about diplomacy and just thought we could colonize but then we actually started negotiating and working with the natives. *I haven't found any direct reference to the Reapers and I know the council tried to downplay them, but they wouldn't sink all those resources into something unless they thought there was a serious reason to do so.
@@RRW359 well if you unlock all the memories you find out about a benefactor who knows the reapers are coming and you do eventually access some outgoing transmissions from palavan and thessia.
@@saqwana25 I won't say further to prevent spoilers but if the Kett are any indication, the rest of the galaxy of Andromeda is probably in the same state as the Helios Cluster
Years ago I wrote a fanfic (pre-internet pre-TNG, that I tried to get published... But never did) about a new Starfleet's' fifths' exploratory ship thrown into the Andromeda Galaxy. Because of the damage, they had no hope of trying to get back until new facilities and mining could make replacements. It was a multigenerational story that built a colony, then cities, and became its own civilization. It wasn't discovered by Starfleet until 500 years later when a current ship suffered the same fate as the first ship but faired much better and had the opportunity to return. I had fun writing it.
Similar basic concept appears in the (not really Trek-like despite the names) Star Fleet Battles setting, where a small Federation colony gets displaced by some cosmic disaster nonsense to what their setting calls the Omega Sector (way, way far to spinward, IIRC) and has to settle in to their new locale, defending themselves against their new neighbors while building up their own planetary infrastructure and a defense fleet with mixed Federation and Klingon tech. Klingons are always Fed enemies in the SFB setting, but several of their ships were caught in the spatial transference effect and basically agreed to play nice until they could find away back - which never happens, and you wind up with the "Federal Republic of Aurora" forming a sovereign state halfway across the galaxy from where they were with a mixed ex-Fed-Klingon-Orion population that slowly carves out a niche for itself in the war-torn sector. Might be some ideas to borrow from the fluff around all that, although it's wargaming fiction so don't expect any Hugo Award winning writing.
I've always wanted a Star Trek series set in the 31st century where Daniels came from. I could see getting an interesting show out focusing entirely on the temporal agents and their efforts to keep the timeline on track, as well as one focusing on some historians from that era using time travel. The latter might be good as a web series of shorts, since it could be used to fill in gaps in the canon. Each episode could show a team going back to visit some major (or even minor) historical event that helped shape the Federation. Wouldn't you love to know more canonically about the Earth-Romulan war, Colonel Green, and so on?
@Zerebrat Eightyseven More things we know little about already, although showing more of first contact could be interesting. We already know a ton about the Dominion War and how it went, same as for Voyager, but we know very little about Colonel Green, or the Eugenics Wars, or WWIII, the Earth-Romulan War and so on. (Although I'd prefer them to focus more on stuff that happened after the Federation came to be.) They could also show stuff that happened _after_ the current canon continuity, adding important historical events to the future canon without having to do an entire series per era.
Kidding, Right?! Nice looking ships and tech is great, but damn...entire seasons devoted to each side going back in time to change events "just a few days further" each time! Kind of the "I haz one more bullet den Yuz so we win!" or some such nonsense! Hells No!!!
While "Caretaker" implied that the Nacene were extragalactic, "Cold Fire" and later non-canon sources state that they originate from Exosia, a subspace realm outside of our dimension and not really in normal space as we know it. Like the Q or 8472 or other extradimensional beings, not merely extragalactic as this video covers.
It would be nice to see that Galaxy explored. If I'm not mistaken, the Kelvins were escaping a race/entity/natural phenomenon called the Totality. Shatner explored them in his novels, but there is no canon material for it outside of the TOS episode.
The Andromeda is such an interesting idea that I came up with story where an powerful alien alliances form after the Kelvan left and set their sight on the milky way lead to the Andromeda War. it also set post Star trek online. (Whenever that will be.)
I fuzzily remember reading something about a star fleet ship which was sent to travel to Andromeda? (or was some how thrown out into the intergalactic void after a trans-warp or slipstream experiment) but was broken down into nothing by a cloud of something (maybe nanites ?, 0 or the totality) which was from Andromeda (or had consumed Andromeda) and it was set up that this entity wanted to consume the milky way.
the enterprise j was designed for intergalactic travel and the tholian came from another Galaxy by using inter dimenchinal rifts after a uprising in their former empire led to a near extinction
@@FekLeyrTarg Yep, that's SFB lore. Tholians in real Trek canon are locals, not intergalactic refugees - or at least there's no indication that they are. They aren't exactly the most communicative species in either setting.
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I was always amazed how Riker never took the opportunity to explore some places and answer some questions for humanity when he was given a sample of being a Q.
the problem is that when you father countless children as a Q, the child support payments don't go down once you become human again. Hence, Riker knew persuing poon tang as a human was a wiser course of action.
Possible, but what I never understood is that despite the Federation having the capability to place extragalactic outposts out past the Galactic Barrier, they have shown no interest in doing so despite the value inherent in such an endeavor. They have been past it (Valiant/Enterprise/Kelvan/Mudds androids) all have made it through and better shielding could negate the damage and power giving effects of the barrier. Perhaps it's that the Federation and others as well have been "warned" perhaps by the Q Continuum or another super race to "leave it alone until you are ready". The Iconians and a few others perhaps have made it and due to their incredible technology have been given a pass or access. Perhaps even a surviving Iconian Gateway could lead to it.
I remember hearing something in canon that Andromeda was indeed almost completely inhospitable to most forms of life because of it's high levels of radiation. I think it's supposed to be completely inhospitable entirely within 1000 years or something like that.
In the late 2600s, a mysterious distress signal is received from the Andromeda Galaxy, promising a 'great reward' for any assistance. The signal's estimated originating date matches with a series of supernovas observed in the Galaxy, and may have been related... But is it too late? Ever hopeful, and thanks to the recent development of a new propulsion system that would enable fast intergalactic travel, Starfleet dispatches a ship, not knowing what true dangers lurk just outside the galactic barrier...
it's a different universe, but in mass effect andromeda, it took the sleeper ships roughly 600 years constantly running at max non relay ftl. in regards to what could b outside of galaxies, it's possible that dark matter/ energy surrounds all galaxies and could potentially affect travel between
I have an Idea for a new series: the federation come up with a way to send a ship to Andromeda, but the trip is one way and there are no way to communicate with the federation once in Andromeda, so they send an exploration ship to Andromeda and the series is set on the ship
I'd love to see an exploration of the edge of the Galaxy first. The small galaxies orbiting the Milky Way are still vast & could hold bizarre new life. They could also explore the vast space between galaxies. Who knows what could be hiding in there.
Please explain the origin of Picard writing a paper about the Doomsday Weapon. Was it in a book or the new Picard series? Where did he think the weapon came from if not from Andromeda?
Fun video. Thanks. Yes, we have little info about Andromeda from ST canon, alas, and like you I'd love to see more exploration of this galaxy in Trek. However, if we extend our view to include fan fiction, which is certainly not canon, then we do get a bit of this with the fan series Star Trek: Odyssey (2007-2011). I really enjoyed that series and partly it was the cool factor of exploring our sister galaxy. I'd love to hear your own thoughts on this one.
Yes, great addition. I was also thinking of this fan series and wish it had been incorporated into the video (though being a fan series, it would be even less than beta canon). Given the paucity of Trek info on Andromeda, I'd also love to hear Rick's thoughts on this fan series.
I believe, that it was in the old FASA star trek RPG, that the Tholians were refugees from Adromeda and it helped explain why they were not a humanoid race and their extreme xenophobia.
I believe the Voyager estimate for 70 years to get home was based on their maximum speed possible due to being unable to run at maximum warp at all times. Maybe Geordi was making an estimate purely on maximum warp, but also throwing out a bad ballpark figure.
A bit of a crossover comparison: In Marvel's universe, the Skrull Empire is the main power in the Andromeda galaxy (although it's a whole effing galaxy, and they don't control every square inch of it). They have been military-dominated Empire for almost a million years. However, they've been an interstellar power for over ten million years. For the first nine million or so years, they functioned as the core of a vast interstellar Federation of planets and cultures, based around their desire to share cultures and technologies amongst member worlds. Their ability to shapeshift gave them the ability to bridge gaps between various species and cultures due to their own physical, as well as cultural, fluidity. It was only when they encountered the Kree and the Cotati in the Greater Magellanic Cloud that they ended up becoming a military-focused culture. They had traditionally chosen a single sentient species per world to represent that world in their Federation (not usually an issue -- it was rare for a world to have multiple sentient species, and especially multiple sentient species with interest in technology, trade, and exploration). The Cotati were a plant-based, telepathic species with advanced knowledge of botany and ecology. The Kree were mammalian humanoids with advanced knowledge of strategy, battle tactics, and metalworking (at least for a non-post-scarcity culture). The Skrull created an area of atmosphere and seeded it with materials (on Earth's moon, oddly enough) and stated that whichever species made the greatest improvement to the site in a year would be declared a member of the Federation. The Cotati created a self-sustaining ecosystem that would stabilize oxygen and other elements in the atmosphere, create and replenish arable soil, and produce food. The Kree built a fortified city. The Skrulls declared the Cotati the winners, and the Kree attacked the Skrulls and Cotati, killed them all, and stole the Skrull ship. They then reverse-engineered it, and a hundred or so years later launched an attack on the Skrulls, leading to a war that lasted about a million years.
What if there was a show that began with a new “real-time” projector that could show the local cluster and galaxy in real time without any light delay, and they saw that five galaxies had vanished. They send an expedition to Andromeda using a new quantum slipstream drive equipped ship and a warp slingshot to their a task force to Andromeda, begin constructing a return slingshot, and investigate why its stars are going out.
Star Trek 2009 and it's subsequent sequels/shows could have worked if they had switched around a few names and created a *new* race rather than destroy both the Klingons and the Romulans. An alien race from the Andromeda galaxy would have been a perfect fit, and not harmed Cannon. It could have all worked if they had someone like you on staff.
If slipstream drive was cannon and shown in future trek, using it to galaxy hop would make a great story line, it would still take a very long time of course but with a big enough ship and enough people to keep a stable population going it would be possible.
Before Star Trek caught an STD and died, I posited the idea that the new show should explore the Andromeda galaxy and the Kelvins should be the new bad guys. Then bad reboot came in and did what it does best and destroyed the franchise. Oh well.
Thanks bud, that was fun. Smiled & Laughed. What's next? Easy! Comander Broccoli, now in charge of star fleet propulsion r&d division has cracked the use of thw cosmic strings & interglacial travel is near instanious...mind ya, no one has found Archers dog yet!?!
Ok, when to EC Henry's channel where he did speed comparisons and according to him slipstream drive is about 2.6 million times the speed of light. If Andromeda is a little over 2.5 million light-years away then back if the napkin math says it would take a little less than a year using slipstream.
there has been a tos era book about a very novel space drive (inversion drive, iirc). it took only one day to travel to andromeda but basically tore spacetime a new one while driving everyone aboard insane. i really liked the scale of that one.
Yea...lets, discovery is terrible in every way, cant make a prequel without time travel. The original up to voyager, though they had time travel, it wasn't based around the main plot. Should have created their own parallel dimension with this what if story.
0:25 Actually I thought we discovered in the last year or two that the Milky Way is actually about 2x as large as we previously thought and it's about the same size if not slightly larger than M31. - Also, it doesn't count as a direct reference to the galaxy, but wasn't the Andromeda Strain mentioned in Enterprise once? I feel like that deserves some mention since it's the only time outside of TOS where they even mention Andromeda that I know of.
I want a show set in the gamma quadrant post dominion war. I know its low hanging fruit but a Dominion-Borg war that the Federation gets pulled into or something of the nature.
I'd like to see more of the Gamma quadrant! A Star Trek show with more encounters with the dominion, or even a post dominion Gamma Quadrant trying to rebuild would be a cool Trek setting!
An easy shortcut for reaching other galaxies would be the Trill research program for creating artificial wormholes demonstrated in DS9. Build it into a ship alongside a standard Warp Drive, for a new breed of ultra long range exploration vessel. Wormhole Drive to handle the big distances, smaller warp drive for shorter range movements. Have the minimum range of the wormhole drive actually be a pain-point for "getting in the saddle", as it were, because the smaller warp drive can't be as efficient as modern warp drives as a tradeoff to the wormhole drive, with a range disparity between the 2.
In the fan fiction series Odyssey, the a star fleet ship had to travel to the Andromeda galaxy. It is one youtube, In the Star Fleet Battles game, the galaxy was invaded by the Andromedans and the Tholians were refugees from another galaxy.
No offense dude but I love your voice so much I always put on one of your videos when I try to sleep... helps me greatly! And as a bonus I watch like 20 Videos a night from your channel cause I always leave on autoplay.
I seem to recall in the novelization of Star Trek V, that there was an exploratory mission to Kelva in the Andromeda Galaxy. It was a fast ship; but, if hostiles were encountered they would have to "tuck tail and run".
A series that focuses on attempts to and eventual successful jumps to another galaxy would be an interesting point as if you gained enough speed to breach the barrier you had the speed to get to another galaxy with ease which could allow for explorations of many of our neighbors and a center point on Andromeda and its hostility to life as we know it and have come to know from it. Establishing Star fleet presence their doctrine and the like would allow for branching plot points and spin off or ongoing with the main series show to occur within each or at least a few of the galaxies.
Although I've been a Trek fan since TOS first aired in 1966, I'm in total agreement with you. There's so much material to write screenplays and scripts about if some of the extra-galactic visitors from past episodes of all iterations of Trek were explored and expanded upon. This is where Stargate had it all over Star Trek hands down. Want to go to another galaxy? Find and dial up an 8th symbol on the stargate and voila! You're in a new galaxy! Find some kind of exotic form of energy, (zero-point modules) and voila! the Prometheus (with Thor's help) can traverse inter galactic space in days or weeks!
In the Q-Continuum book series (Q-Space, Q-Zone, and Q-Strike), both the external & internal Galactic Barriers were set up by the Continuum to protect the Milky Way from malevolent creatures like the one pretending to be God in Start Trek 5. Apparently, they are continually pounding their metaphysical fists against the Great Barrier to get inside and wreak havoc. This explains why ESPers transform when they breach the barrier, like an infection or conduits. It's also a great way to put Star Trek 5 back on the map as relevant.
Plot idea: The Q recruit Starfleet to investigate phenomena of the Andromeda galaxy for them. They can't just port there themselves and look/mess around because it is inhabited by its own "pseudo-omnipotent" species that would likely object to their presence, causing a "war of the gods" that might endanger both galaxies. Instead, the Q approach the UFP once they are sufficiently advanced for the trip (combining Borg tech, Dominion War boost, Voyager long term survival experience, etc.) and give them a hand in traveling there. The ship/small fleet they send would be accompanied by a Q who serves as a guide and "client" of sorts - but for fear of discovery can't/won't use their powers unless absolutely necessary. It would mainly play out similar to Voyager, but the writers could draw from the decades of feedback for that series, as well as develop the conflict of "we have a literal god with us, but still suffer through all these bad events" over time. That can be escalated in the season 1 finale into the Q finally being convinced to do something, just for the local power to intercept it and tell them: "Do not mess with our galaxy. This is your only warning. You will be watched closely."
I'd be curious to know if the quantum slipstream drive would make intergalactic travel feasible. In the novels beginning with VOY: Full Circle, slipstream is mastered and is used as casually as warp drive to bring Voyager and a fleet of ships back to the Delta Quadrant in no time. I don't remember if the actual speed of slipstream in comparison to warp 9.975, for instance, is discussed. If it is feasible, that would be a great jumping off point for a new extragalactic series.
There was a series, appropriately titled Andromeda, that was based on Roddenberry's earlier work and scripts but made after he died that explores a consortium that extends over the Milky Way, Andromeda and Triangulum galaxies
Imagine a series kinda similar to Voyager’s premise but with Andromeda instead of the delta quadrant. Some freak accident, or some cosmicly powerful entity, or something similar sends a ship and crew far far away. And we follow their adventures to get back.
I actually had a roleplay up on the Star Trek Online forums called Star Trek Andromeda that was going to take place in the Andromeda Galaxy, using the Iconian Gateway Network to travel to Andromeda as it's known they had a Dyson sphere there. However, I was banned from the forums for gatekeeping.
There was a fan fiction that was set in the Andromeda galaxy, which I believe was called Odyssey. They also made another series called The Helena Chronicles, which focused on the Omega molecule. I'm not sure if it still exists.
Star Trek Odyssey or Star Trek Hidden frontier, have started using slipstream drive technology to send two ships to the Andromeda galaxy , could check those two sites as to see if their show would help with more info for your feature.
What I want to see before intergalactic exploration is, simply, the Federation growing, as they have relations in the gamma and delta quadrant, and that's much more feasible with what Voyager brought back and left behind
Good work remembering The Planet Killer! I think “The Doomsday Machine” is my favorite episode of any ST series. Part of me would like to see that episode made into a movie, but it would be tough to get an actor better than William Windom to play Commodore Decker (it may be impossible). IMHO, a remake of “The Doomsday Machine” has a VERY small chance of even being as good as the original, and a much smaller chance of being better. The writers and actors would have to the best in the business to pull that off. It would also have to be not only different enough to capture the brutal tension of the original, but it would have to take creative risks to even be worth making.
if Trek ever decide to explore the Andromeda and any other galaxy for that matter then I personally glossed the initial exploration and already have starfleet have somekind foothold in the space...were they are still the new kids on the block but have reliable connections to back home if they need any assistance
You did forget one Extra-Galactic species mentioned in canon: Voyager’s Caretakers. The Caretaker himself says that his race comes from another Galaxy, though not specifically Andromeda. The Nacene I think they’re called, although that name was apocryphal until Admiral Vance said it in Discovery, though there have been no direct connections between that name and the Caretakers in canon, but I think the line can be drawn now.
To answer your question: Where would you set your ideal Star Trek series?... at the risk of upsetting a certain time lord, i confess i have thought about a Trek series based around time travel and the temporal agents of the 31st century. They could have their own show, characters, new species not yet discovered by the previous shows, and on occasion, they could interface characters in such a show with the other Trek series, just as they did with Ds9 and TOS Troubles with Tribbles. It would be a way to join all of the separate Trek series together, provide plenty of nostalgia but also continue the exploration. They could explore historical events in the histories of SEVERAL worlds, not just Earth's. For example we could witness the separation of the Romulans from the Vulcans, we could witness events only briefly mentioned in other series, such as the fallout following the Organian peace 'treaty'... It just seems like the potential is there for every kind of episode imaginable.
In simple terms once you leave the galaxy warp drive becomes more efficient the more matter in your journey no more energy you need to warp the space, the theoretical warp 10 on some scales, is the point where the matter in your journey is, no longer effects the amount space can be warped.
In the fan film star trek oddesy (3 seasons) we get to see the crew we watched grow up in the fan film hidden frontiers (7 seasons) go to Andromeda after the kelvins invade. Hidden frontier takes place after voyager and oddesy is after that. The "first season" of hidden frontier is just a collection of fan films from conventions before the team got serious and made 69 more episodes, 2 spin offs series, several movies and audio series. I had a good time with their stories.
According to Doug Drexler, when he was coming up with the design for the Enterprise-J his head-canon was that Starfleet would be starting to explore outside the galaxy by the 26th century, and the ship design was supposed to reflect this. Maybe the Discovery writing staff will pick up on this for future episodes, but I doubt it.
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I absolutely agree that star trek is doing too much messing around with alternate timelines. There's so much more exploration they could be doing.
It’s easy to retcon anything and make alternate stories. It is way difficult to write new things and settings without looking unoriginal.
What you said it’s what I want to see the most.
oh hells yeah! i was so disappointed in the new shows going backwards in the timeline. at least Picard is the first step in trying to move Star Trek forward a little bit.
@@diosnelfrica7589 I respectfully disagree. New stories are not that difficult. People write them all the time. I think is more an issue of laziness and convenient way to recton Trek with their vision.
How do we know, maybe Q put the barrier around our galaxy to protect them selves.
Exactly. The shows today are obsessed with timelines, endless action sequences, and serialized plots. The spirit of adventure in exploring new worlds is just gone.
The lack of a barrier around every other Galaxy is such an interesting point.
Beta content claims it's Q related. Big complicated story, so you might as well just go to the wiki to read it if you're interested. But basically it's about something with the power equal or greater to a Q that had even less moral qualms than Q. Q didn't like the stunts it was pulling with the mortal races, so they kicked it out of the Milkyway and made the barrier.
@TheBobBrom More like the Q seem to like a lot of races originating from our galaxy, including humanity and Iconians. They are protecting their pet projects. :D
@TheBobBrom I don't think so. The Alpha and Beta canon don't directly address that as far as I know. They seem to just like the Milky Way as far as I can tell.
@@japzone We are the milkiest
Milky way invested in home security. The other galaxies are just waiting to be burgled. Brought to you by ADT 😋
“Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly,
hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way
down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.”
In Stargate, traveling to other galaxies didn’t take thousands of years but weeks. Starfleet needs to invest in some newer interstellar technology.
"What an extraordinary book! Did you get much useful material on The Earth?"
That's not even peanuts to space. I would even think an atom is too generous.
@@gabelogan5877 Considering that the only two species that could do extra-galactic travel; the Ancients and the Asgard. It's not that Starfleet needs to invest in some new interstellar tech, but that compared to those other races, the races of the Star Trek universe are mere babes. The Ancients were doing extra-galactic travel 50-100 million years ago while the Asgard were doing so around 30 thousand years ago. The fact that Starfleet and the federation was able to create such a large amount of territory in around 200 years is amazing. By the 29th century Starfleet has perfected time travel and is able to watch, maintain and repair the timelines. This feat is accomplished with Starfleet existing from under 700 years. Each civilization has its benefits but remember that Starfleet is infinitely younger than the Stargate civilizations that created extra-galactic travel.
@@steeltimberwolf It would be interesting to compare the Star Trek races with the Transformers. They'd been around millions of years, but probably only explored the galaxy due to their on-going civil war. If they had gotten to a Federation level of relative peace and discovery, who know how far they could have gone.
The main reason I think they haven’t gone to Andromeda: “The Chase.”
Before “The Chase,” we could all just ignore the fact that there are too many humanoid species in Trek (that is, any at all that aren’t from Earth). We all understood that it was because it hard to find a tentacular glob of slime with a SAG card.
But “The Chase” established a species of humanoid progenitors who seeded the galaxy to make all those humanoid species... implying other galaxies don’t have them. Which essentially means every local alien encountered in exploring Andromeda has to be CG or an even more expensive practical effect.
Which is too bad because it would be AWESOME.
Agreed,
Kelvins, Sheliak, Tholians and the Ba'Neth come to mind
We didn't see them much, probably not enough in the budget for Andromeda species
"because it hard to find a tentacular glob of slime with a SAG card" True, most of the tentacled globs of slime are directors or producers rather than working actors. Still, you do see some exceptions to that rule.
Star Trek retconned itself before I'm sure they'll do it again if they want to use the Andromeda Galaxy... much to our disgust... because 'The Chase' was one of TNG best episodes, that scene at the end with Picard and the Romulan commander pure poetry.
I think more advanced aliens called the progenitors genetically designed humanoids
They *could* have some work arounds to have humanoids in Andromeda... In the video he mentioned Riker running into some human-related society that got lost due to early warp experiments. We know the Federation will have time manipulation technology eventually, so they could possibly have a ship or 3 get lost in early time travel experiments -- like they jump back a billion years, can't get back, and decide to go to the Andromeda Galaxy so they don't mess up the Milky Way. That way they don't need to retcon anything. Humans end up in all sorts of random places by accident
Andromeda vs The Milky Way needs to be a theme for a sci-fi show some day.
One Trek I envisioned was Capt. Harry Kim going back along Voyager's route seeing what happened to the races it encountered.
I'd watch it.
yeah me too
FAKE NEWS!!! CAPTAIN Harry Kim? In what galaxy does Mr. Kim even get promoted Ltn.?
@@davidtuttle7556 There are no promotion opportunities amongst a crew of about 150 that is completely cut off from its parent organisation. USS Voyager veterans would be freaking rockstars after surviving a seven-year mission in deep space, Kim probably skipped Lieutenant (JG) altogether and got his pick of future postings!
@@Azraiel213 most militaries have brevet ratings (temporary rank) for wartime or other special circumstances where they will revert back to their permanent rank afterwards. A good example is George Custer, who during the Civil War was breveted all the way to Brigadier but whose rank was never made permanent and so after the war returned to being a Major and later LtC. Kim merited at least a temporary promotion to Lt. JG.
considering that the Sagittarius dwarf galaxy is in the process of getting consumed by the milky way, it would be interesting to see some species from that galaxy migrate over and shake up the current galactic order.
The Milky Way will eventually collide with Andromeda, too. Interestingly, it may cause no damage whatsoever.
@@Swiftbow Andromeda and the Milky Way will rather merge than collide, so, you're right. The most dramatic change may occur with both central massive blackholes and the stars on their path.
Besides that I think that the increase of space debris will pose a larger threat of collision with stars and planets than a star or an entire planetary system to collide with each other.
And even those debris will not be a significantly larger threat than now. I'm Just saying that the probability of star collisions will be near zero.
Otherwise, the gravitacional disturbance over the components of a planetary system like ours might be unpredictable (with our current knowledge) but also tends to be minimal or even irrelevant, since this galactic merge will take millions of years, and the gravitational pull of the sun will prevail.
@@hackembacker ...Yes. Space is very very big. Therefore, the chances of colliding with anything from Andromeda is highly unlikely.
Sounds interesting
@@hackembacker By then we could have evolved into energy beings or developed the tech to move entire star systems out of the way of the super massive black holes.
I would love it if the Star Trek franchise took a page from Stargate: Universe and did a series that took place in a different galaxy. Very different setting, aliens no longer look humanish because no sapient races are the result of the seeding done by the first race that arose in the Milky Way
The Mudd and Kelvan were humanoid.
@@randomlyentertaining8287 didn't the Kelvans say that their humanoid forms were not their true appearance?
@@vic5015
"This is not our true appearance. Our make-up artists could only afford brow ridges and prosthetic ears. We said nah;"
couldn't get what they wanted so didn't want to spend time in makeup.
@@vic5015
Correct The Kelvans were described to be almost Cthulu-like in appearance. Space octopuses with way more arms, essentially.
@@vic5015 I see you like being smart... so... both octopuses and octopi are acceptable plurals. The reason for the octopi plural is because some people mistakenly associate octopus with Latin words like syllabus and alumnus. ... However, the word octopus is actually of Greek origin. The plural of octopus in Greek is, in fact, octopodes .
You have to keep in mind that around the same time as the Traveler incident, Geordi also claimed there was some space phenom that was millions of degrees cooler than absolute zero, so...
Based on the way the Kelvin scale works, that phenomena would have to be traveling backwards in time.
*Starfleet arrives in the M31 Galaxy*
"Captain, we have an incoming signal."
"On the viewscreen."
*Kevin Sorbo appears on the screen*
"AND WE ARE OUT OF HERE!"
Love that reference!
I would prefer seeing Rommie on screen….^^
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@@optillian4182An unused concept created by Roddenberry was turned into a show called Andromeda by Majel Barrett & Robert Hewitt Wolfe.
The show is about a spaceship captain for the Commonwealth (a Federation stand-in) who is stranded at the event horizon of a Black Hole for 1000 years and once freed discovers that the Commonwealth had fallen hundreds of years ago. He then sets out with a ragtag team to rebuild the Commonwealth.
It is infamous because of its squandered potential due to the main lead's, Kevin Sorbo, massive ego and he demanded more creative control turning it into "Hercules in space". It is one of the very few shows I quit in sheer boredom.
@@optillian4182 Rommie was the name of the android avatar of Lexa Doig, who played the AI of the Andromeda Ascendant, which was the hero ship. Its on Amazon Prime.
The actor who played the leader of the Kelvans also played "Doc" in "The Forbidden Planet". I know you all knew that because we're all Star Trek fans.
1:36 *Edwin* Hubble!
The concept of races fleeing Andromeda, factoring in the Iconian story from STO, almost implies the Iconians are at war with other races within Andromeda and causing their destruction. No doubt, their gateway technology would easily allow this to take place. It may even explain where some of their servitor races originate.
After seeing your brilliant STO series, I'd be fascinated to see a TNG-style exploration series where a gateway (implied Iconian) is discovered by Starfleet in unclaimed space, and opens to a corresponding gate in the Andromeda galaxy (bonus points if you can see one side from the other). Some DS9 characteristics can also be factored in, such as a few episodes on a station either next to or part of the gate on Andromeda's side, or even a full-scale war against an Andromeda faction that forces the usual Alpha quadrant powers to unite once again. This would have to be done with a TNG or DS9 style, though; the modern format is, quite frankly, _complete garbage._
They tried that once already with the Dominion War, and it made for a great show at the time, because as a species we crave conflict, but it's a used formula, and besides that, there are too many disparate factions within the Avalon Galaxy (I'll never call it the Milky Way again after coming up with this!) to ever unite as one against an extragalactic threat. Trying to out-Dominion the Doninion would lead to a stale product, and there wouldn't be such great ratings like what we had with DS9.
Actually, Stargate did this exact formula with its Atlantis series, as well as the second half of the original series with the Ori conflict.
@@azerdraco3146 My point exactly. How in the heck would Star Trek top that, aside from introducing some Trekified version of the Yuuzhan Vong from Star Wars Legends?
@@Robert_Douglass
Check my comment on the main video thread.
As a TL:DR ... take the best parts of Voyager, DS9, and both TOS and TNG. Drop that into the "Starship Frontier" story style of Enterprise and even Firefly ...
And through it all, throw in the interspecies tensions between Romulans, Klingons, and all the Feddy races.
Except the Iconians weren't from the Andromeda Galaxy. They were the first humanoid species to develop after the Preservers started seeding planets, and one of the few that actually got to meet their creators in person. The destruction of the Iconian Empire happened in the distant past, not in another galaxy, and it's unlikely that the Iconians ever even reached another galaxy since they could have just evacuated their entire civilization and rebuilt their forces rather than having to go into hiding.
Average Trekker-"Why is there a galactic barrier?"
0-"Hi."
Q-"Yeah, my bad."
2 actually. One around the MilkyWay and one around the center of our galaxy.
@@tomf3150, isn't the barrier imprisoning One in the center of the galaxy called the *Great* Barrier?
In the cousin series Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda, the Systems Commonwealth covers several galaxies, and the Andromeda Ascendent can travel between them. Slipstream drive can potentially travel much farther than warp drive. It basically bypasses empty portions of space.
If I remember right it still took months. And slipstream requires active piloting which is exhausting. Stargate broke the record by only needing a couple weeks by hyperdrive.
@@darwinxavier3516 Having a ZPM helped a lot. And Asgaard warp drive too.
Warp is mostly anywhere to anywhere, and the exceptions are mostly places sane people would want to avoid.
Slipstream only works between node points, and many destinations require hopping through several node points with potentially long realspace spans in between. Add in the detail that an organic brain is required to intuit slipspace and the trips can be inconvenient.
CBS: We've got a show where we explore one huge galaxy.
David Brin and Stargate: That's cute.
In "Catspaw", Koreb and Sylvia are supposed to be explorers from another galaxy, driven somewhat insane by taking human form, though Koreb's training and decency saves him from going completely overboard.
Crazy to think that Star Trek mainly takes place in one galaxy and all it’s vastness but there are literally TRILLIONS of galaxies out there. Thats just mind blowing.
So few series acknowledged the andromeda galaxy.
Why would they? One Galaxy like the MW is large enough to accommodate most any Sci-Fi needs. The only sci-fi series that actually did extragalactic invaders worth beans was Star Wars Legends.
@@i-evi-l Don't forget the Magog from Andromeda. Or the Wraith and Ori from Stargate.
@@darwinxavier3516 The Wrath from Stargate are from the Pegasus Galaxy and we don't really know the name of the Galaxy where the Ori and the Ancients are from from what was told to us in the show :D
@@Nichodo My response was to "The only sci-fi series that actually did extragalactic invaders worth beans was Star Wars Legends."
@@i-evi-l The Precursors from HALO also went to the Andromeda galaxy
Where would I set my ideal series?
He's an idea: Starfleet finds a wormhole to another Galaxy and finds another exact copy of Earth. The central mystery would bring up the copycat Earths from TOS such as Miri's world/Earth 2. They would find more and more Earths and It might culminate in finding the original "Earth" locked in a temporal stasis bubble while an advanced species or species from the planet (maybe the original Voth-like race and/or "Humans" working together) has been creating the other Earths in a long term effort to save the original from some unknown calamity with each copy Earth being an experiment to try out some different variable.
that could be cool.
Maybe they could get Slartibartfast to help to design them?
Why earth? Why not copies of Vulcan or any other world?
That's a great idea!
We already had that show, it's called "Sliders".
I’ve always thought this is where a future Star Trek should be set. The future federation as a unified milkyway galaxy attempts to send the ultimate humanitarian mission to save the Andromeda galaxy.
I want to see a temporary connection with Stargate via Multiversum WARP 9 vs asgard FTL: D or stargats teleport: D
In addition, with this expedition you write about it may be too easy remember that the federation has been almost completely destroyed in the Discovery series, its rebuilding will probably take hundreds of years and so far the mushroom drive will probably completely replace the WARP drive
@@Darlf_Sevil There are a variety of ways they could address it. It could be set even further in the future than Discovery or its set before 'the burn'. If it's before the 'burn' the mission could be something where contact is lost because of the burn and gets forgotten, with some amount of conflict revolving around whether they should turn back or continue this mission. If its set after Discovery, some form of the spore drive could always be how they're able to actually travel to another galaxy in a reasonable amount of time.
@@slamapoop Honestly, TNG with its luxurious Galaxy class on a continuing mission that involved not only civilians but family and especially children make a lot more sense as a generational ship sent to another galaxy to carry the flag for the Federation. Reading the TNG technical manual and seeing limitations being put on what TNG era Warp can be because it would make the Milky Way too small always bummed me out. Needed a science advisor cause even in the mid 80's they knew of millions, and potentially billions, and theoretically infinite galaxies out there.
You forgot season 2 episode 7 “Catspaw” at the end the two life forms are referred to as from another galaxy by Spock.
I sometimes wonder if Gene Roddenberry thought that "another galaxy" is the same as saying another solar system within our galaxy but only really from a faraway corner of the Milky Way.
I was just about the make the same objection when I saw this post. Although the "other" galaxy is never named, my head cannon has always been Andromeda because of the other two examples. Also, the Tholians (TOS: The Tholian Web) fled " Messier 81, or Bode's Galaxy" before ending up in the Milky Way.
@@eyecomeinpeace2707 Yeah maybe, I know he expressed a concern with making Warp too fast cause it would make the Milky Way too small...and I was like, even in the 60's let alone the 80's we knew there were a large number of galaxies out there.
@@rubaiyat300 Agreed. In the late 60's I would literally live at Toronto's Planetarium everyday. It was the only place in the world for me where I felt I can truly be out in space. I loved the planetarium's exhibits, it was dark with portholes in the halls where I can glimpse otherworldly landscapes and space scenes. And then there was the gift shop. I always loved buying posters of different Messier galaxies and nebula's which I would have hanging in my room. So I guess my point is yes, we knew about such things already.
@@crgrier Really? I'll be damned.
"Space is big. Really, really big. You have no idea . . ."
You may think it's a long way to the chemist's, but that's peanuts to space.
Listen; when you're thinking big, think bigger than the biggest thing ever and then some. Much bigger than that in fact, really amazingly immense, a totally stunning size, real 'wow, that's big', time. It's just so big that by comparison, bigness itself looks really titchy. Gigantic multiplied by colossal multiplied by staggeringly huge is the sort of concept we're trying to get across here.
@@CertifiablyIngame *and you really can't trust the possible directions from the strange lifeforms you encounter along the way either or their possible nefarious motivations for deception*
*aliens after all tend to be sneaky when dealing with humans*
When I was playing Mass Effect Andromeda I kept on thinking how its setting would actually make for a great Trek game or show.
The setting that I would have is that some time following the Dominion War, the Alpha and Beta powers come together to construct a massive space station/exploration ship dubbed the Unity.
Star Trek Unity would follow the ship's adventures as they explore a new galaxy. Worf would be the ship's captain and have a crew representing a lot of the major powers were have seen in past shows. Despite the ship held as an example of how far Trek races had come in working together old grudges and blood feuds threaten to bring the ship into anarchy. The ship will be facing some external threats from new mysteries alien races as well.
Dude this sounds awesome! I would love to see some Star Trek Unity! Stay well out there man, and Jesus Christ be with you 😊
Sounds a lot like Stargate: Universe :D
I agree though, having some of the species we're familiar with discover totally new lifeforms could be the soft "reset" these later ST series have been trying for while retaining the adventure/mystery of the old series. Imagine a coalition where Starfleet isn't in charge. Imagine universal translators not being dependable. Imagine seeing how Klingons or Cardassians make first contact. Imagine meeting aliens where humanoid-forms are the exception. There's so much potential there!
The facial animation would be the source of much lulz
*very much in the spirit of ACTUAL Trek and not the Cosmic Drek sjw vomit inducing variants of the more recent iterations*
How different species make first contact:
Federation: Can we talk to it?
Ferengi: Can we cheat it?
Romulans: Can we kill it?
Cardassians: Can we exploit it?
Klingons: Can we fight it?
Q: Can we toy with it?
Borg: Can we assimilate it?
Species 8472: Let's kill it.
Kirk/Riker: Can I bang it?
I think the old Star Fleet Battles lore had a small collection of extra-galactic factions. IIRC it had the Tholians coming from beyond the Milky Way with 2 divisons of them. One a military remnant and the other the standard Tholians.
The lore hasn't changed, and still bears about zero resemblance to actual Trek canon. Tholians were explicitly two waves of refugees from a fallen extragalactic empire, the Seltorians are a species of their former subject races that were vindictive enough to follow them to settle old scores, and the Andromedans (who don't seem to have anything to do with the Kelvans and never communicated with anyone local) are still from Andromeda originally. There are also supplements with at least three different species from the Small Magellanic Cloud and more in the Triangulum Galaxy itself, although I burned out on the game years ago and don't know much about those. Oh, and I think the "Juggernaut" unmanned Berserker-style starship(s) (can't recall if the added classes of them are "simulator designs" or "real" in SFB canon) were also from outside the Milky Way. All in all it's kind of a silly setting, optimized for tabletop wargaming.
It really bothers me that they find life from another galaxy (even if they found other dimensions with life) and just kinda go “yeah so these extragalactic aliens are pretty...human looking”
Whenever Trek (and to be honest, Hollywood in general) overloads my suspension of disbelief on human-like aliens I go re-read some of White's Sector General or Smith's Lensmen books and it makes me feel better for a while. I'd like to include CJ Cherryh's work in that list, but honestly she's better at psychologically-alien aliens than physically-alien ones - few too many humanoids in her books, and many coming close to anthropomorphic Terran animals. Although the methane-breather races in her Compact novels are *really* far out there as proper aliens should be.
TBH it *has* to be that way. Not necessarily due to budget constraints, but primarily for story telling.
It's impossible for humans to read the faces of fish or insects, let alone sentient plants or whatever alien life would look like.
So basically choosing more alien looking creatures would remove our ability to recognise them as sentient/sapient beings and communicating emotions via facial expressions would become impossible.
That's why you see human faces even on the Ents in LotR and that's why game developers had to turn Shelob into a woman in Shadow of War [ th-cam.com/video/xdKvzBfJAus/w-d-xo.html ].
Interaction between the main character and her persona in the story could only be depicted convincingly (or understandably) that way.
We are hardwired to see non-human forms as animals and to regard them non-sapient by default. That's why the stereotypical Greys give us the creeps - our brains just cannot decide whether to see them as animals or sapient beings. Just watch the difference of your own perception of the alien in Paul (2011) if I change the eyes from alien to human (as used in the movie):
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I agree but if they look like Barbara Bouchet I'm still not changing the channel.
Yeah, there is a reason the milky way has humanoids throughout. Another galaxy should have some amount of convergent evolution, but not to the extent of being an actually seeded biological entity as was shown in TNG.
@@reina4969 maybe like ceplodpods body plans
At 0:45 he says, "It's a little known fact that space is big." Well, I would beg to differ. I think that's a very well known fact. As a matter of fact, I just happen to have here a copy of a very popular travel guide in which it says and I quote, “Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.” So. There's that.
I always thought that having an intergalactic Trek series--that is, having a Federation starship go to the Andromeda or some other galaxy, would be a good premise for a future Star Trek series. We've already had Trek series that have gone to the Gamma and Delta quadrants of our own galaxy--granted that there are still large regions of this galaxy that are unexplored. Such a new intergalactic Trek series would have to involve some new kind of technology such as an artificial wormhole generator, fold-space, transwarp, or other means to make the trip possible.
Extra galactic Star Trek has a similar problem with realistic propulsion. It takes so long to get to somewhere interesting that you have to tell a very different sort of story.
@@joshuahillerup4290 they already suspended disbelief with BS drives in 1964, so...
Solar system
Spiral Arm
Quadrant
Milky Way
other Galaxies
Multiverse
Write something and...
"Engage"
It is all fantasy like Gulliver's Travels.
Honestly, I wonder if some of TNG's roots were in that very idea. Would explain the name Galaxy class, the relative luxury and presence of families on a continuing mission (ie even longer than 5 years). Heck, would even explain a journey to Farpoint station and picking up crew along the way.
@@joshuahillerup4290 Simple solution: Wormhole. Then they just explore the life in the new galaxy.
@@STho205 Problem with that kind of mindset. If you start going against your own established limitations, it makes it way easier to throw in deus ex machinas. Even contrivium tech needs to be reasonable for its setting or else its just magic and we have no reason to care anymore about the stakes.
Remember that the Kelvans upgraded the Enterprise's engines with their vastly superior technology so that they could make the trip in only 300 years. It's stated that otherwise it would have taken thousands of years at high warp. Also, I think the Doomsday Weapon was also stated in the episode to be from outside our galaxy, if memory serves.
What setting would I like? I'll like anything if they ditch the tired and lazy grim dark nonsense and give us some good old fashioned optimistic exploration.
Star Trek is supposed to be a commentary on the real world. The '60s were post-Civil Rights, in the middle of the Space Race, and... Hippies. So things were optimistic.
Today is... very much less optimistic, therefore so is today's Trek.
I would agree. If I want grim darkness in the far future, a future in which there is only war, 40K has me covered.
Roddenberry's mission statement was to make an optimistic future with a united humanity peacefully exploring the galaxy. Even it's darkest series DS9 had an underlying optimism to it.
@@Ideo7Z but he was dead by then. The war mongers had free reign. Once they played through copying the first two seasons from the B5 pitch outline andpilot script that Paramount read and passed on...they had to have mega wars to keep up with SG1 and B5 season 3. It is a competitive business and wargamers of the 80s wanted space war in the 90s
@@STho205 While I agree that DS9 in its later seasons moved away from the optimistic view of the future given to us in TOS and TNG, the series served as a necessary deconstruction of that future. Let's be honest, the utopian world of especially TNG was starting to become boring and it did not really reflect the real world anymore. The 90s were this weird time after the hedonistic 80s but prior to the paranoid 00s. The US had "won" the cold war, some philosophers and historians foolishly declared the end of history. A series that wanted to continue to give useful social commentary and insight had to challenge this sentiment. That's what DS9 did. And the war with its big space battles was less a reaction to other scifi shows but more to a general trend in the entertainment industry that started in the mid 90s and that was that action and destruction was what the general audiences apparently wanted to see. Now, and that's just opinion, I think that DS9 handled this lust for seeing these things rather well and paired it with for the most part clever writing. But it definitely wasn't something Roddenberry would have loved to see.
Edwin Hubble: "Am I a joke to you?"
An interesting connection to Andromeda being a dying galaxy was in Mass Effect: Andromeda where the Galaxy is also dying because its precursors terraforming is failing
well the galaxy as far as we know was fine it the the helleus cluster that was dying.
I only played partway through it but I kind of got the impression that we were being reverse Kelvins. We were escaping from a *dying galaxy and at first we didn't really care about diplomacy and just thought we could colonize but then we actually started negotiating and working with the natives.
*I haven't found any direct reference to the Reapers and I know the council tried to downplay them, but they wouldn't sink all those resources into something unless they thought there was a serious reason to do so.
@@RRW359 well if you unlock all the memories you find out about a benefactor who knows the reapers are coming and you do eventually access some outgoing transmissions from palavan and thessia.
@@saqwana25 I won't say further to prevent spoilers but if the Kett are any indication, the rest of the galaxy of Andromeda is probably in the same state as the Helios Cluster
@@nathanielheilmann7351 we'll ever know as it will never be followed up on.
Years ago I wrote a fanfic (pre-internet pre-TNG, that I tried to get published... But never did) about a new Starfleet's' fifths' exploratory ship thrown into the Andromeda Galaxy. Because of the damage, they had no hope of trying to get back until new facilities and mining could make replacements. It was a multigenerational story that built a colony, then cities, and became its own civilization. It wasn't discovered by Starfleet until 500 years later when a current ship suffered the same fate as the first ship but faired much better and had the opportunity to return. I had fun writing it.
*explore the possibility of pitching your story again....sounds pretty awesome*
*speaking as a geek of over a half century*
Similar basic concept appears in the (not really Trek-like despite the names) Star Fleet Battles setting, where a small Federation colony gets displaced by some cosmic disaster nonsense to what their setting calls the Omega Sector (way, way far to spinward, IIRC) and has to settle in to their new locale, defending themselves against their new neighbors while building up their own planetary infrastructure and a defense fleet with mixed Federation and Klingon tech. Klingons are always Fed enemies in the SFB setting, but several of their ships were caught in the spatial transference effect and basically agreed to play nice until they could find away back - which never happens, and you wind up with the "Federal Republic of Aurora" forming a sovereign state halfway across the galaxy from where they were with a mixed ex-Fed-Klingon-Orion population that slowly carves out a niche for itself in the war-torn sector. Might be some ideas to borrow from the fluff around all that, although it's wargaming fiction so don't expect any Hugo Award winning writing.
I read in a star trek book and that the barrier was set up by the Q to keep out a evil entity to keep them out of the Milky Way galaxy.
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@@davidhonez8859 Loved those books
What was the name of the series?
@@toddbendall518 The Q Continuum
yessir if only the idiots at cba would read the novels and adopt some of them.
I've always wanted a Star Trek series set in the 31st century where Daniels came from. I could see getting an interesting show out focusing entirely on the temporal agents and their efforts to keep the timeline on track, as well as one focusing on some historians from that era using time travel. The latter might be good as a web series of shorts, since it could be used to fill in gaps in the canon. Each episode could show a team going back to visit some major (or even minor) historical event that helped shape the Federation.
Wouldn't you love to know more canonically about the Earth-Romulan war, Colonel Green, and so on?
@Zerebrat Eightyseven More things we know little about already, although showing more of first contact could be interesting. We already know a ton about the Dominion War and how it went, same as for Voyager, but we know very little about Colonel Green, or the Eugenics Wars, or WWIII, the Earth-Romulan War and so on. (Although I'd prefer them to focus more on stuff that happened after the Federation came to be.) They could also show stuff that happened _after_ the current canon continuity, adding important historical events to the future canon without having to do an entire series per era.
Kidding, Right?! Nice looking ships and tech is great, but damn...entire seasons devoted to each side going back in time to change events "just a few days further" each time! Kind of the "I haz one more bullet den Yuz so we win!" or some such nonsense! Hells No!!!
You talked about extra-galactic entities in Star Trek but left out the Caretaker and it's companion, odd.
I thought this too.
While "Caretaker" implied that the Nacene were extragalactic, "Cold Fire" and later non-canon sources state that they originate from Exosia, a subspace realm outside of our dimension and not really in normal space as we know it. Like the Q or 8472 or other extradimensional beings, not merely extragalactic as this video covers.
It would be nice to see that Galaxy explored. If I'm not mistaken, the Kelvins were escaping a race/entity/natural phenomenon called the Totality. Shatner explored them in his novels, but there is no canon material for it outside of the TOS episode.
The Kelvin's also created their own universe, iirc 😋
The Andromeda is such an interesting idea that I came up with story where an powerful alien alliances form after the Kelvan left and set their sight on the milky way lead to the Andromeda War.
it also set post Star trek online. (Whenever that will be.)
You should put pen to paper and share your stories. That's the only way we'll ever advance Star Trek.
So, In " Where no man has gone before" Gary Mitchell, and Elizabeth Dehner were having a taste of Q power?.
I fuzzily remember reading something about a star fleet ship which was sent to travel to Andromeda? (or was some how thrown out into the intergalactic void after a trans-warp or slipstream experiment) but was broken down into nothing by a cloud of something (maybe nanites ?, 0 or the totality) which was from Andromeda (or had consumed Andromeda) and it was set up that this entity wanted to consume the milky way.
The the novel series called Q Continuum. It was a fun read, and was predominantly written to explain Star Trek 5.
the enterprise j was designed for intergalactic travel and the tholian came from another Galaxy by using inter dimenchinal rifts after a uprising in their former empire led to a near extinction
That's in ADB's Star Fleet Universe if I recall correctly.
@@FekLeyrTarg Yep, that's SFB lore. Tholians in real Trek canon are locals, not intergalactic refugees - or at least there's no indication that they are. They aren't exactly the most communicative species in either setting.
My ideal series would be good old school TOS style exploration set between ST VI and Encounter at Farpoint.
I always wished Star Trek revealed more about what happened to Rojan, Kelinda, and the other Kelvans.
Worf mentioned fighting a Kelvan twice his size to Dax.
They flipped a coin and
"The Wrath of Rojan" lost.
You produce some amazing content, and as I rarely do this - I will go through your library and will provide my like and will share where I can. Thx for all you hard work. Btw - your star trek online series is phenomenal! I'm hooked and waiting on your next episode!
I was always amazed how Riker never took the opportunity to explore some places and answer some questions for humanity when he was given a sample of being a Q.
the problem is that when you father countless children as a Q, the child support payments don't go down once you become human again. Hence, Riker knew persuing poon tang as a human was a wiser course of action.
What if there was an undiscovered trans warp hub leading to andromeda that could explain extremely fast travel.
Possible, but what I never understood is that despite the Federation having the capability to place extragalactic outposts out past the Galactic Barrier, they have shown no interest in doing so despite the value inherent in such an endeavor. They have been past it (Valiant/Enterprise/Kelvan/Mudds androids) all have made it through and better shielding could negate the damage and power giving effects of the barrier.
Perhaps it's that the Federation and others as well have been "warned" perhaps by the Q Continuum or another super race to "leave it alone until you are ready". The Iconians and a few others perhaps have made it and due to their incredible technology have been given a pass or access. Perhaps even a surviving Iconian Gateway could lead to it.
My thought too.
If you wanted to travel across the country, you wouldn't walk. You would take a super highway.
I enjoyed the non-canonical storylines from the Shatner novels with the threat from the Totality.
I remember hearing something in canon that Andromeda was indeed almost completely inhospitable to most forms of life because of it's high levels of radiation. I think it's supposed to be completely inhospitable entirely within 1000 years or something like that.
*easily fixed by shaming the radiation into being more open and accepting to other forms of life and nonjudgmental about their life style choices*
In the late 2600s, a mysterious distress signal is received from the Andromeda Galaxy, promising a 'great reward' for any assistance. The signal's estimated originating date matches with a series of supernovas observed in the Galaxy, and may have been related... But is it too late? Ever hopeful, and thanks to the recent development of a new propulsion system that would enable fast intergalactic travel, Starfleet dispatches a ship, not knowing what true dangers lurk just outside the galactic barrier...
it's a different universe, but in mass effect andromeda, it took the sleeper ships roughly 600 years constantly running at max non relay ftl.
in regards to what could b outside of galaxies, it's possible that dark matter/ energy surrounds all galaxies and could potentially affect travel between
I have an Idea for a new series: the federation come up with a way to send a ship to Andromeda, but the trip is one way and there are no way to communicate with the federation once in Andromeda, so they send an exploration ship to Andromeda and the series is set on the ship
That's mass effect Andromeda for you :D
That's literally the plot of Stargate Universe...
I'd love to see an exploration of the edge of the Galaxy first. The small galaxies orbiting the Milky Way are still vast & could hold bizarre new life. They could also explore the vast space between galaxies. Who knows what could be hiding in there.
Please explain the origin of Picard writing a paper about the Doomsday Weapon. Was it in a book or the new Picard series? Where did he think the weapon came from if not from Andromeda?
I believe the TNG novel "Vendetta" mentioned something about the Doomsday Weapon coming from outside our galaxy.🤔
Fun video. Thanks. Yes, we have little info about Andromeda from ST canon, alas, and like you I'd love to see more exploration of this galaxy in Trek. However, if we extend our view to include fan fiction, which is certainly not canon, then we do get a bit of this with the fan series Star Trek: Odyssey (2007-2011). I really enjoyed that series and partly it was the cool factor of exploring our sister galaxy. I'd love to hear your own thoughts on this one.
Yes, great addition. I was also thinking of this fan series and wish it had been incorporated into the video (though being a fan series, it would be even less than beta canon). Given the paucity of Trek info on Andromeda, I'd also love to hear Rick's thoughts on this fan series.
I believe, that it was in the old FASA star trek RPG, that the Tholians were refugees from Adromeda and it helped explain why they were not a humanoid race and their extreme xenophobia.
Great video, I remember seeing the TOS episode now but had forgotten all about it.
Perhaps saying "over 300 years" is future parlance for "over a lifetime" , with that number the max lifespan of the multi species crew?
I believe the Voyager estimate for 70 years to get home was based on their maximum speed possible due to being unable to run at maximum warp at all times. Maybe Geordi was making an estimate purely on maximum warp, but also throwing out a bad ballpark figure.
A bit of a crossover comparison: In Marvel's universe, the Skrull Empire is the main power in the Andromeda galaxy (although it's a whole effing galaxy, and they don't control every square inch of it). They have been military-dominated Empire for almost a million years. However, they've been an interstellar power for over ten million years. For the first nine million or so years, they functioned as the core of a vast interstellar Federation of planets and cultures, based around their desire to share cultures and technologies amongst member worlds. Their ability to shapeshift gave them the ability to bridge gaps between various species and cultures due to their own physical, as well as cultural, fluidity.
It was only when they encountered the Kree and the Cotati in the Greater Magellanic Cloud that they ended up becoming a military-focused culture. They had traditionally chosen a single sentient species per world to represent that world in their Federation (not usually an issue -- it was rare for a world to have multiple sentient species, and especially multiple sentient species with interest in technology, trade, and exploration). The Cotati were a plant-based, telepathic species with advanced knowledge of botany and ecology. The Kree were mammalian humanoids with advanced knowledge of strategy, battle tactics, and metalworking (at least for a non-post-scarcity culture). The Skrull created an area of atmosphere and seeded it with materials (on Earth's moon, oddly enough) and stated that whichever species made the greatest improvement to the site in a year would be declared a member of the Federation. The Cotati created a self-sustaining ecosystem that would stabilize oxygen and other elements in the atmosphere, create and replenish arable soil, and produce food. The Kree built a fortified city. The Skrulls declared the Cotati the winners, and the Kree attacked the Skrulls and Cotati, killed them all, and stole the Skrull ship. They then reverse-engineered it, and a hundred or so years later launched an attack on the Skrulls, leading to a war that lasted about a million years.
What if there was a show that began with a new “real-time” projector that could show the local cluster and galaxy in real time without any light delay, and they saw that five galaxies had vanished. They send an expedition to Andromeda using a new quantum slipstream drive equipped ship and a warp slingshot to their a task force to Andromeda, begin constructing a return slingshot, and investigate why its stars are going out.
And discovered that all the stars were destroyed by a Magog worldship?
Star Trek 2009 and it's subsequent sequels/shows could have worked if they had switched around a few names and created a *new* race rather than destroy both the Klingons and the Romulans. An alien race from the Andromeda galaxy would have been a perfect fit, and not harmed Cannon.
It could have all worked if they had someone like you on staff.
If Star Trek copies Mass Effect even more we're screwed 🥺
I see everything after 2005 that is not star trek online not canon for reasons
If slipstream drive was cannon and shown in future trek, using it to galaxy hop would make a great story line, it would still take a very long time of course but with a big enough ship and enough people to keep a stable population going it would be possible.
Before Star Trek caught an STD and died, I posited the idea that the new show should explore the Andromeda galaxy and the Kelvins should be the new bad guys. Then bad reboot came in and did what it does best and destroyed the franchise. Oh well.
Thanks bud, that was fun. Smiled & Laughed.
What's next? Easy! Comander Broccoli, now in charge of star fleet propulsion r&d division has cracked the use of thw cosmic strings & interglacial travel is near instanious...mind ya, no one has found Archers dog yet!?!
Out of curiosity, I wonder how long it would take to get to Andromeda using quantum slipstream? Someone smarter than me want to do the math?
Ok, when to EC Henry's channel where he did speed comparisons and according to him slipstream drive is about 2.6 million times the speed of light. If Andromeda is a little over 2.5 million light-years away then back if the napkin math says it would take a little less than a year using slipstream.
JanglesPrime Wouldn’t trans warp technology used by the borg be even faster?
@@firefly9838 Borg Transwarp tech is basically artificial wormholes. So yes, it's even faster than slipstream.
there has been a tos era book about a very novel space drive (inversion drive, iirc). it took only one day to travel to andromeda but basically tore spacetime a new one while driving everyone aboard insane. i really liked the scale of that one.
So let’s just ignore the spore drive then :DDDD
Yea...lets, discovery is terrible in every way, cant make a prequel without time travel. The original up to voyager, though they had time travel, it wasn't based around the main plot. Should have created their own parallel dimension with this what if story.
@@jamesmeppler6375 de#covert did what others did not, built on the Terran empire
@@jamesmeppler6375 agree, breaking canon isn't ideal for a universe that's been consistent since the sixties.
0:25 Actually I thought we discovered in the last year or two that the Milky Way is actually about 2x as large as we previously thought and it's about the same size if not slightly larger than M31.
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Also, it doesn't count as a direct reference to the galaxy, but wasn't the Andromeda Strain mentioned in Enterprise once? I feel like that deserves some mention since it's the only time outside of TOS where they even mention Andromeda that I know of.
*galactic envy perhaps?*
Anyone else want a "Star Trek: Andromeda" series that's not run by kurtzman?
I want a show set in the gamma quadrant post dominion war. I know its low hanging fruit but a Dominion-Borg war that the Federation gets pulled into or something of the nature.
I believe the makers were destroyed not because of one supernova but multiple which was a unpredicted chain reaction which caused vast damage.
I'd like to see more of the Gamma quadrant! A Star Trek show with more encounters with the dominion, or even a post dominion Gamma Quadrant trying to rebuild would be a cool Trek setting!
05:32 with iconian spheres operating in andromeda, it is possible to theorize that the omega molecule detonations can be reason for this
An easy shortcut for reaching other galaxies would be the Trill research program for creating artificial wormholes demonstrated in DS9. Build it into a ship alongside a standard Warp Drive, for a new breed of ultra long range exploration vessel. Wormhole Drive to handle the big distances, smaller warp drive for shorter range movements. Have the minimum range of the wormhole drive actually be a pain-point for "getting in the saddle", as it were, because the smaller warp drive can't be as efficient as modern warp drives as a tradeoff to the wormhole drive, with a range disparity between the 2.
In the fan fiction series Odyssey, the a star fleet ship had to travel to the Andromeda galaxy. It is one youtube, In the Star Fleet Battles game, the galaxy was invaded by the Andromedans and the Tholians were refugees from another galaxy.
No offense dude but I love your voice so much I always put on one of your videos when I try to sleep... helps me greatly! And as a bonus I watch like 20 Videos a night from your channel cause I always leave on autoplay.
I seem to recall in the novelization of Star Trek V, that there was an exploratory mission to Kelva in the Andromeda Galaxy. It was a fast ship; but, if hostiles were encountered they would have to "tuck tail and run".
2:00 what is the song in the background called?
A series that focuses on attempts to and eventual successful jumps to another galaxy would be an interesting point as if you gained enough speed to breach the barrier you had the speed to get to another galaxy with ease which could allow for explorations of many of our neighbors and a center point on Andromeda and its hostility to life as we know it and have come to know from it. Establishing Star fleet presence their doctrine and the like would allow for branching plot points and spin off or ongoing with the main series show to occur within each or at least a few of the galaxies.
I hope soon that Cryptic makes an Andromeda expansion like they did with the Gamma Quadrant so many years ago.
Although I've been a Trek fan since TOS first aired in 1966, I'm in total agreement with you. There's so much material to write screenplays and scripts about if some of the extra-galactic visitors from past episodes of all iterations of Trek were explored and expanded upon. This is where Stargate had it all over Star Trek hands down. Want to go to another galaxy? Find and dial up an 8th symbol on the stargate and voila! You're in a new galaxy! Find some kind of exotic form of energy, (zero-point modules) and voila! the Prometheus (with Thor's help) can traverse inter galactic space in days or weeks!
In the Q-Continuum book series (Q-Space, Q-Zone, and Q-Strike), both the external & internal Galactic Barriers were set up by the Continuum to protect the Milky Way from malevolent creatures like the one pretending to be God in Start Trek 5. Apparently, they are continually pounding their metaphysical fists against the Great Barrier to get inside and wreak havoc. This explains why ESPers transform when they breach the barrier, like an infection or conduits. It's also a great way to put Star Trek 5 back on the map as relevant.
Now…explain to me why beings with power levels rivaling the Q need a starship to breach the outer or inner barriers?
Plot idea:
The Q recruit Starfleet to investigate phenomena of the Andromeda galaxy for them. They can't just port there themselves and look/mess around because it is inhabited by its own "pseudo-omnipotent" species that would likely object to their presence, causing a "war of the gods" that might endanger both galaxies. Instead, the Q approach the UFP once they are sufficiently advanced for the trip (combining Borg tech, Dominion War boost, Voyager long term survival experience, etc.) and give them a hand in traveling there.
The ship/small fleet they send would be accompanied by a Q who serves as a guide and "client" of sorts - but for fear of discovery can't/won't use their powers unless absolutely necessary. It would mainly play out similar to Voyager, but the writers could draw from the decades of feedback for that series, as well as develop the conflict of "we have a literal god with us, but still suffer through all these bad events" over time. That can be escalated in the season 1 finale into the Q finally being convinced to do something, just for the local power to intercept it and tell them: "Do not mess with our galaxy. This is your only warning. You will be watched closely."
I'd be curious to know if the quantum slipstream drive would make intergalactic travel feasible. In the novels beginning with VOY: Full Circle, slipstream is mastered and is used as casually as warp drive to bring Voyager and a fleet of ships back to the Delta Quadrant in no time. I don't remember if the actual speed of slipstream in comparison to warp 9.975, for instance, is discussed. If it is feasible, that would be a great jumping off point for a new extragalactic series.
2.6 mil times faster than light
There was a series, appropriately titled Andromeda, that was based on Roddenberry's earlier work and scripts but made after he died that explores a consortium that extends over the Milky Way, Andromeda and Triangulum galaxies
Imagine a series kinda similar to Voyager’s premise but with Andromeda instead of the delta quadrant.
Some freak accident, or some cosmicly powerful entity, or something similar sends a ship and crew far far away. And we follow their adventures to get back.
I actually had a roleplay up on the Star Trek Online forums called Star Trek Andromeda that was going to take place in the Andromeda Galaxy, using the Iconian Gateway Network to travel to Andromeda as it's known they had a Dyson sphere there. However, I was banned from the forums for gatekeeping.
The Milky Way has satellite galaxy's. Going to one of those as a sort of first contact scenario could be amazing
There was a fan fiction that was set in the Andromeda galaxy, which I believe was called Odyssey. They also made another series called The Helena Chronicles, which focused on the Omega molecule. I'm not sure if it still exists.
I always loved the idea of "rogue planets" , I would love to see a mini series about a ship that crash lands on a rogue planet .
It's refreshing to see a work use the word "intergalactic" correctly.
Star Trek Odyssey or Star Trek Hidden frontier, have started using slipstream drive technology to send two ships to the Andromeda galaxy , could check those two sites as to see if their show would help with more info for your feature.
What I want to see before intergalactic exploration is, simply, the Federation growing, as they have relations in the gamma and delta quadrant, and that's much more feasible with what Voyager brought back and left behind
would love to see star trek explore the galactic neighborhood.
Good work remembering The Planet Killer! I think “The Doomsday Machine” is my favorite episode of any ST series. Part of me would like to see that episode made into a movie, but it would be tough to get an actor better than William Windom to play Commodore Decker (it may be impossible).
IMHO, a remake of “The Doomsday Machine” has a VERY small chance of even being as good as the original, and a much smaller chance of being better. The writers and actors would have to the best in the business to pull that off. It would also have to be not only different enough to capture the brutal tension of the original, but it would have to take creative risks to even be worth making.
if Trek ever decide to explore the Andromeda and any other galaxy for that matter then I personally glossed the initial exploration and already have starfleet have somekind foothold in the space...were they are still the new kids on the block but have reliable connections to back home if they need any assistance
I would like to find a unknown Ikonian gate, travel to Andromeda, setup a base, a small shipyard to build small starships for exploring.
You did forget one Extra-Galactic species mentioned in canon: Voyager’s Caretakers. The Caretaker himself says that his race comes from another Galaxy, though not specifically Andromeda. The Nacene I think they’re called, although that name was apocryphal until Admiral Vance said it in Discovery, though there have been no direct connections between that name and the Caretakers in canon, but I think the line can be drawn now.
To answer your question: Where would you set your ideal Star Trek series?... at the risk of upsetting a certain time lord,
i confess i have thought about a Trek series based around time travel and the temporal agents of the 31st century.
They could have their own show, characters, new species not yet discovered by the previous shows, and on occasion,
they could interface characters in such a show with the other Trek series, just as they did with Ds9 and TOS Troubles with Tribbles.
It would be a way to join all of the separate Trek series together, provide plenty of nostalgia but also continue the exploration.
They could explore historical events in the histories of SEVERAL worlds, not just Earth's.
For example we could witness the separation of the Romulans from the Vulcans, we could witness events only briefly mentioned in
other series, such as the fallout following the Organian peace 'treaty'...
It just seems like the potential is there for every kind of episode imaginable.
In simple terms once you leave the galaxy warp drive becomes more efficient the more matter in your journey no more energy you need to warp the space, the theoretical warp 10 on some scales, is the point where the matter in your journey is, no longer effects the amount space can be warped.
In the fan film star trek oddesy (3 seasons) we get to see the crew we watched grow up in the fan film hidden frontiers (7 seasons) go to Andromeda after the kelvins invade. Hidden frontier takes place after voyager and oddesy is after that. The "first season" of hidden frontier is just a collection of fan films from conventions before the team got serious and made 69 more episodes, 2 spin offs series, several movies and audio series. I had a good time with their stories.
According to Doug Drexler, when he was coming up with the design for the Enterprise-J his head-canon was that Starfleet would be starting to explore outside the galaxy by the 26th century, and the ship design was supposed to reflect this. Maybe the Discovery writing staff will pick up on this for future episodes, but I doubt it.