The secret bases are replaced with a way to influence spawn rates too. The new stuff in the Grand Underground is nice, but the absolute gutting of bases kinda ruins the appeal for me.
@@jazzparagus1718Weren't people complaining about contest being in Gen 3 and 4 back in the day? As someone who's been around since Gen 1 I find it hilarious that people have been bitching about the new Pokemon games online since essentially ever. Heck remember the Sevii islands? The things people were complaining about being taken off Let's Go Pikachu and Eevee? Those were considered an addition that added nothing and just broke the pace of a game because it was lazily slapped in right at the end of the 7th Gym and you were forced into it by the game. It's all a god damn vicious cycle of just hating on the new thing just because it's new and not because of their actual quality with Pokemon fans. Remember the physical and special split that Gen 4 introduced? You know the thing that nowadays is considered the best decision GameFreak ever made? Mother truckers were complaining about GameFreak "Ruining the game" because Ghost was no longer a Physical type and now actual Ghost types can actually use their own god damn moves now. And I know someone will say "Ohh but the games are so glitchy now" Bruh, they've always been glitchy messes.
14:07 "The only games that are being remade nowadays are ones that were already good" It would be cool if companies went back and re-made games that weren't initially well-received. Obviously bad games are bad for a reason. But I like the idea of taking a game that was good in theory but fell behind in execution, and giving it a second chance to reach a fresh audience with some modern polish.
Yeah you think people are going to buy a Metroid Federation Force Remake? They'll instead bitch at Nintendo for not remaking a game that was well received instead.
@@diegomedina9637 Lol, that doesn't fit the criteria, it is still pretty poorly received years after it cam out. OP meant a game that grew more genuine appreciation overtime, kinda how Wind Waker got an amazing remaster on Wii U
Honestly, the main reason why I tend to not mind "faithful" remakes (if handled well, obviously) is because compared to things like movies video games have been a much more fundamentally iterative medium. As someone who loves Mario RPG, I don't mind it being made available to more people with improvements that will probably make it more accessible to modern audiences on a gameplay level. And that's not even getting into games where a sense of immersion is part of the experience, and updating the visuals to more modern fidelity standards can genuinely improve the experience because of it (though that usually requires the dev team to have access to resources equivalent to what the original team had in order to sell the same sense of polish, but that's a whole other can of worms).
Let’s talk about the problems with BDSP: 1. Expectations: All prior remakes all used the latest engines. Fire Red and Leaf Green used the Ruby and Sapphire engine. Heart Gold and Soul Silver used the Diamond and Pearl engine. Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire used the X and Y engine. You might be tempted to say “Let’s Go didn’t use Sun and Moon or the Sword and Shield type engines,” but I would counter that they did use the latest engine: Pokemon Go. Let’s Go was a remake styled after the, at the time, extremely popular Pokémon Go mobile game catching system. That’s four remakes where they always used the latest developments in the series to make the remakes. BDSP used a brand new art style that no one wanted. People even later proved they could have used the battle models to get more realistic proportions, but they still went with bobble head funko pop characters. 2. Missing Pokémon: The three main series remakes were fully compatible with their companion games. They had all the Pokémon up to that point. Let’s Go didn’t, but that was because the companion game for Let’s Go was really Pokémon Go. BDSP was limited to only the original Pokémon up to generation four. 3. Unfaithful remake: BDSP claims to be a faithful remake, but it isn’t at all. How is forced EXP share a faithful remake? How is including the fairy type faithful? Contests are worse than the originals. 4. Quality issues: From what I understand, the original cartridges shipped didn’t have the opening start menu movie, the correct soundtrack, and were missing some post game content. Are you really going to tell me with a straight face that the soundtrack needed a day one patch? If I understand correctly, omitting this data allowed them to increase profit margins by using smaller cartridges. I bought the cartridges for game preservation, so this really angered me. I would have easily paid more just to make sure I have the entire game. A few day one fixes are fine, but the context makes this look like they sold an inferior physical copy to save money. I think this practice should be considered fraud. If your game isn’t ready for a physical print run, just don’t print it yet and sell digital until you are ready for a complete copy. This should be obvious.
Bdsp is misunderstood it may not have had platinum content but it did add it’s own new stuff like expanded underground, updated qol, modern type chart, modern movepool, ramanas park etc and it’s got wholesome vibes Also Ilca is more experienced now It was loved by the mainstream casual audience The more hardcore fans may not have liked it but they weren’t the target audience The game was designed to be an approachable game for beginner players so they had to make it look as cute and as welcoming as possible hence the chibi appearance Bdsp added more new content than platinum tho It’s got the up to date type chart as well as the move pools It completely overhauled the underground It gave us the hardest elite four and champion out of any pokemon game We got ramanas park It’s got clothing customization as well It removed the hassle of HMs It’s way faster not slow anymore How are all these new things not considered definitive Sure platinum added its own stuff but to say bdsp didn’t add anything when it added a lot is pretty disingenuous
The problem I had with BDSP was not the artstyle, it was odd but I didn’t mind it at all. The issue was that it fundamentally wasn’t a remake, it was just a visual revamp. We should’ve gotten a Gen 4 remake on the level of what Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire was for Gen 3, with the Pokédex updated to include mons from beyond Gen 4 and reusable TMs, when all we got was the new party-wide Exp Share that you can’t turn off.
@@PlatinumAltaria nah all games are special! I only like the gen 4 remake because they stay true to the original art style of the old Gen 4 game just as 3D models. While the older remakes by GameFreak changed up the art style for some NPCs to look natural from the previous gen they were doing. The company who was tasked to remaking gen 4 was told not to change too much of the character designs or add stuff from S&S like giant forms and was told to just make it a one to one of the original. It might seem silly but at least someone will have fun with the battle models and use them in a funny parody videos
@@NitwitsWorld Pokémon Platinum is still the definitive way to play Sinnoh, there really is zero reason to play anything else. And that means the remakes failed at the one thing they're supposed to do.
personally, I don't think we should have any more pokemon remakes. Not because "bdsp bad therefore every remake after it will be bad" but because I believe pokemon remakes as a whole have run there course. I don't think there's anything they can do to the old games now that will really surprise or impress me. I'd much prefer if they did something like "pokemon legends kyreum" or something in the similar to that.
As a Pokémon fan, I agree with you ~75%. I absolutely want more remakes in the vein of HGSS & ORAS, but I'd be fine without those so long as they port the games so we can still access them. I wanted to play Sapphire and had to dish out a good sum of money just so I could play it and transfer Pokémon from XD all the way to Sword. Even though I say all that, X and Y deserve full on re-imaginings like Final Fantasy 7 or Resident Evil 4.
I somewhat agree. I think it would be more fun to stop the "remakes" and try to embrace what the legends series did and tell a new story with different(ish) characters in a familiar yet completely different way. But I would like to see more side game remakes like Rescue Team DX. (Personally hoping for a ranger remke since I like circles.) I think Pokémon (and Nintendo as a whole) really needs a break from the formula to start making better games.
Completely agree, I'm a little scared for how they're gonna handle Black and White inevitably. Legends Arceus was the most fun I've had in a pokemon game in a while though, so I'd be 100% down for a Legends Kyurem or something like that
As somebody who absolutely hated the remakes of Link's Awakening and BDSP for not realizing the original devs' visual intent, I actually adore the look of SMRPG's remake Mostly because of many different factors: -The weird artstyle of the original 3d models was a huge part of its weird charm, and considering how strict Nintendo has been on keeping the Mario brand, it's refreshing to see them greenlight a game that looks SO similar to the original SNES models, like being faithful not to limitations of 2d sprites (when the devs had other idealized looks for Link or Dawn in those games), but this looking like the actual wonky 3d designs that Squaresoft made so long ago is such a cool detail -Considering how the other two RPG series eventually started losing their cool artstyles or turning more of the weird aspects of their original games into more of the vanilla Mario look (M&L and ESPECIALLY paper mario suffer from this so much), so seeing a remake that looks so wildly different with all the weird Kingdom Hearts esque looking enemies it has, it just feels good to have this kind of experimental Mario game back after the last two decades kept everything too on-brand
I thought the Link's Awakening Remake was pretty good in terms of visuals and Quality of life additions. Mario RPG's remake is looking to be pretty good as well. The problem I had with BDSP isn't the visuals but that it feels like a copy and paste of the original Diamond and Pearl. I wish they did what they did with ORAS where its mostly like the original during the main story but they add a few things but when they get to the post game they should have had something like the Delta episode from ORAS but made it revolve around Girantina. Now I do like the harder Pokemon league as it made me come up with some strategies and I actually had to grind for a bit which hadn't had to do in a Pokemon game for a long time. I also like the fact you can find certain Platinum Pokemon in the grand underground. Pokemon like Scyther, Houndoom, Magnemite, etc. (You could also find Munchlax much easier in the grand underground.
@@carnage0685he probably doesn’t know that the previous remakes were done by GameFreak and BDSP was developed by a different company so that is why it doesn’t feel like a Pokémon remake
@@NitwitsWorld No, he means he wants every character to go through a moderate to drastic redesign, wants a new powercreeped gimmick to be tacked onto Pokémon that not only don’t need it, but don’t even WANT it, wants Giratina to be completely demystified and have their character ruined in the postgame, and wants a new random unbearably uninteresting character with a cool battle theme shoved in for again, no real reason. Did I miss anything? Oh yeah, he probably wants all of the new forms to be revealed prior to launch so he complain about the game not having any surprises left. No thanks, I’d much rather settle for a bland, uninspired, poorly programmed copy and paste that quickly gets flushed down the toilet and forgotten about unless you’re a modder. Much better than outright defiling something and having it stuck in everyone’s memory. In an ideal world we would get remakes like HG/SS or even FR/LG, but nobody wants that for some reason lol
Bdsp is misunderstood it may not have had platinum content but it did add it’s own new stuff like expanded underground, updated qol, modern type chart, modern movepool, ramanas park etc and it’s got wholesome vibes Also Ilca is more experienced now It was loved by the mainstream casual audience The more hardcore fans may not have liked it but they weren’t the target audience The game was designed to be an approachable game for beginner players so they had to make it look as cute and as welcoming as possible hence the chibi appearance Bdsp added more new content than platinum tho It’s got the up to date type chart as well as the move pools It completely overhauled the underground It gave us the hardest elite four and champion out of any pokemon game We got ramanas park It’s got clothing customization as well It removed the hassle of HMs It’s way faster not slow anymore How are all these new things not considered definitive Sure platinum added its own stuff but to say bdsp didn’t add anything when it added a lot is pretty disingenuous
Pokemon remakes had two goals 1) retroduce that Generation's Pokemon to the current generation reducing the reliance of older games. 2) Explore the old games with the new mechanics (FRLG with Abilities, held items, and the Dark and Steel types, Mega Evolution in ORAS). 1) BDSP couldn't interact with Shield and Sword, dividing the player base. Dexit means you can't move pokemon unless they exist in a future game. Pokemon Home is limbo. 2) The game is selective on whether it wants to be faithful to Gen 4 or Gen 8. (The Affection Mechanic exists, the EXP Share mechanic exists, but there's no Gigantimax. The underground is replaced with a Wild Area.
I first played links awake on my 3ds in 2014 and finished and loved it when the remake came out i was a bit eh about the art style but when i played it its now my go too way to play that game
I think there are couple more reasons why the BDSP were so poor received: Pokémon as a franchise has evolved relatively little, while each Zelda is wildly different from the other and Mario RPG games do maintain a few design beats but can easily be divided in at least 3 categories, pokémon games are mostly all the same with the only significant and easily observable upgrades being the graphics, so to see that ignored in a remake stings that much more On top of that, it came right off the controversial SnS games, with many people calling the pokémon franchise lazy among other things and to have a seemingly low effort remake come out feels like adding insult to injury, especially when it fails to properly nail down the "toy" look the other two games you compared it to have
Bdsp is misunderstood it may not have had platinum content but it did add it’s own new stuff like expanded underground, updated qol, modern type chart, modern movepool, ramanas park etc and it’s got wholesome vibes Also Ilca is more experienced now It was loved by the mainstream casual audience The more hardcore fans may not have liked it but they weren’t the target audience The game was designed to be an approachable game for beginner players so they had to make it look as cute and as welcoming as possible hence the chibi appearance Bdsp added more new content than platinum tho It’s got the up to date type chart as well as the move pools It completely overhauled the underground It gave us the hardest elite four and champion out of any pokemon game We got ramanas park It’s got clothing customization as well It removed the hassle of HMs It’s way faster not slow anymore How are all these new things not considered definitive Sure platinum added its own stuff but to say bdsp didn’t add anything when it added a lot is pretty disingenuous
This is factually false Pokémon has always innovated Pokémon has always been innovating and changing things up so I wouldn’t say predictable Predictability isn’t the samething as tradition They have always experimented with new concepts and mechanics Like breeding,natures,abilities, following pokemon, overworld encounters, physical special split, mega evolution,Zmoves, gigantamax/dynamax amie/refresh/camping, even motion controls from let’s go do these features not count as evolving/progressing are these things not ambitious? The restructuring of the traditional Pokémon format by having the third legendary as the main focus not to mention being the first Pokémon games ever to do DLC and the regional evolutions Also the various QoL stuff even having dynamax and gigantamax and you would not have SV without the wild area all of these new ideas and things for the franchise Are these not ambitious I mean all these things have changed the franchise in substantial ways Every generation offers something ambitious is replacing gyms with trials not ambitious? Or making the galar league a tournament like the anime instead of a traditional elite four is that not ambitious Sure none of them have ever been this super drastic But to say it’s “not innovating” is a bit disingenuous Has the steps in previous games been a bit smaller I mean sure But baby steps and even medium steps is still progression Why do we count this and not those Shouldn’t it all count? Some of these things maybe temporary but they are still creative and ambitious and drastically change the course of the franchise so they count They like to get to things at their own pace when they feel ready that’s why sv ended up how it did because the fanbase pushed them to make the franchise open world before they were ready they said numerous times pokemon and open world don’t mix and we didn’t listen I’m just sayin if they end up dropping open world for Gen 10 Because people didn’t like Gen 9 then don’t blame them They tried it it didn’t work and now they move on
This is factually false Pokémon has always innovated Pokémon has always been innovating and changing things up so I wouldn’t say predictable Predictability isn’t the samething as tradition They have always experimented with new concepts and mechanics Like breeding,natures,abilities, following pokemon, overworld encounters, physical special split, mega evolution,Zmoves, gigantamax/dynamax amie/refresh/camping, even motion controls from let’s go do these features not count as evolving/progressing are these things not ambitious? The restructuring of the traditional Pokémon format by having the third legendary as the main focus not to mention being the first Pokémon games ever to do DLC and the regional evolutions Also the various QoL stuff even having dynamax and gigantamax and you would not have SV without the wild area all of these new ideas and things for the franchise Are these not ambitious I mean all these things have changed the franchise in substantial ways Every generation offers something ambitious is replacing gyms with trials not ambitious? Or making the galar league a tournament like the anime instead of a traditional elite four is that not ambitious Sure none of them have ever been this super drastic But to say it’s “not innovating” is a bit disingenuous Has the steps in previous games been a bit smaller I mean sure But baby steps and even medium steps is still progression Why do we count this and not those Shouldn’t it all count? Some of these things maybe temporary but they are still creative and ambitious and drastically change the course of the franchise so they count They like to get to things at their own pace when they feel ready that’s why sv ended up how it did because the fanbase pushed them to make the franchise open world before they were ready they said numerous times pokemon and open world don’t mix and we didn’t listen I’m just sayin if they end up dropping open world for Gen 10 Because people didn’t like Gen 9 then don’t blame them They tried it it didn’t work and now they move on
Really awesome video on a topic that not a lot of people talk about. I think there's value in both faithful remakes and unfaithful remakes (Resident Evil 2 remake being an example of an unfaithful remake). In fact, there's value in doing both for the same game. If Nintendo wants to do an unfaithful remake of Link's Awakening or Super Mario RPG down the line I'd be all for it. And Pokemon BDSP probably should have been an unfaithful remake in the first place. Sometimes you just want to experience a game from your childhood with higher production values. Link's Awakening and Super Mario RPG remake are great for that. Other times you love a game so much that a faithful remake wouldn't really be an improvement, which is where something like Resident Evil 4 remake comes in - basically allowing you to re-experience the game you love for the first time.
Honestly when it came to BDSP, the art style was the least of my problems. It had less added content than HGSS or ORAS, and it was also missing most of the content from Platinum even though the others had content from Crystal and Emerald. They didn’t even include the events that were programmed in but never released like Arceus and the Eon Flute. Again, super disappointing when ORAS made Deoxys and Latios/Latias, also event Pokémon, catchable in the base game. The problem with “faithful” remakes is that they just do the bare minimum.
Bdsp is misunderstood it may not have had platinum content but it did add it’s own new stuff like expanded underground, updated qol, modern type chart, modern movepool, ramanas park etc and it’s got wholesome vibes Also Ilca is more experienced now It was loved by the mainstream casual audience The more hardcore fans may not have liked it but they weren’t the target audience The game was designed to be an approachable game for beginner players so they had to make it look as cute and as welcoming as possible hence the chibi appearance Bdsp added more new content than platinum tho It’s got the up to date type chart as well as the move pools It completely overhauled the underground It gave us the hardest elite four and champion out of any pokemon game We got ramanas park It’s got clothing customization as well It removed the hassle of HMs It’s way faster not slow anymore How are all these new things not considered definitive Sure platinum added its own stuff but to say bdsp didn’t add anything when it added a lot is pretty disingenuous
Final Fantasy 7 would benefit, from not a remake, but like a visual overhaul. Honestly half of what made that game fun, was the Materia combinations. Now you are stifled with customizing how you play. So its not about remaking with 'modern standards' which are actually fucking lacking. We had like 200 materia in FF7. And could use them in combinations to better effect. Instead, we are going to get multiple games spread apart, with like 20 materia each. Baldurs Gate 3 is showing what an rpg should be. 'AAA' studios should be doing something like that instead of, cinematic bullshittery. And they can't really use the argument 'we wanted to make something new', because they are making things new, and this game is decades old it basically IS new. They just wanted to do something easier for more money. And part of the issue IS the lack of technological limitations. Now its just graphics and formats. Back then, creative solutions would get implemented and cause a distinct style among peers. Nowadays modern games are too *stingy* to even design a font.
You were talking about Mario Rpg having a bad way to learn the actions commands and wanting the remake having someway to improve it. Well at 10:56 If you look at Mario, he will have a "!" above him to maybe indicate when to use the action command, so you got your wish.
It is! It has so much more detail than those two, plus it's committing to an awesome artstyle that wasn't ever revisited in the Mario series, so it's extra cool they're allowing it to look so different instead of staying to the boring brand Mario fell into from NSMB onwards, which many people saw with both M&L and Paper Mario. Meanwhile those other two 'faithful remakes' failed to realize the actual vision the original developers had for those titles, Awakening wasn't pictured in its promo art to be made out of toys, Diamond and Pearl had gorgeous character designs that weren't presented in the overworld just out of limitations and traditions long broken. They might have been faithful to the player experience, but not to the developers
Bdsp is misunderstood it may not have had platinum content but it did add it’s own new stuff like expanded underground, updated qol, modern type chart, modern movepool, ramanas park etc and it’s got wholesome vibes Also Ilca is more experienced now It was loved by the mainstream casual audience The more hardcore fans may not have liked it but they weren’t the target audience The game was designed to be an approachable game for beginner players so they had to make it look as cute and as welcoming as possible hence the chibi appearance Bdsp added more new content than platinum tho It’s got the up to date type chart as well as the move pools It completely overhauled the underground It gave us the hardest elite four and champion out of any pokemon game We got ramanas park It’s got clothing customization as well It removed the hassle of HMs It’s way faster not slow anymore How are all these new things not considered definitive Sure platinum added its own stuff but to say bdsp didn’t add anything when it added a lot is pretty disingenuous
I see where you're coming from, but I don't really think that faithful remakes are supposed to appeal exclusively to people who are already nostalgic for the remade game. I for one wouldn't have thought about playing through Link's Awakening if it wasn't for the gorgeous graphics and quality of life improvements, and now it's one of my favorite games of all time. I believe every remake is supposed to breath new life to a title some people already love, but some would have never played otherwise. I had the exact same experience with the Resident Evil remakes, and though they're not the "faithful remakes" the video is about, they still compelled me to try out a franchise I haven't had a chance to play before. Still, fantastic video, earned a sub!
Yeah, I think that there are a lot of modern players who are simply turned off by Gameboy graphics, no matter how well the game made use of the hardware. Not me, personally, but I can see from a younger generation's perspective. Updating it to a more palatable style that they would be expecting could coerce them into trying the game they might not ever try.
To be fair, Pokémon was already on a losing streak, so people were a lot less open to this stuff than they might have been if there'd been a good game in the past 5 years.
People see Pokémon as a game or any other series that’s either good or bad but it’s not that it’s more than that Pokemon isn’t only games as a brand so stop treating it as if it’s just games when u say it’s dying cuz it’s not it’s more alive than ever It’s a culture and a lifestyle a living breathing world with a story and lore and characters We form parasocial relationships with these fictional animals because we love them so much and they have so much personality and backstory and it is a very customizable series it’s a perfect creative outlet 10:22 Pokémon team wasn’t experienced enough with switch hardware when they first started development for the game and they are a smaller team then most also the game was made during Covid so it had a decent amount of obstacles and it couldn’t be delayed because they have to abide by the merch and the anime and the tcg They have to be symbiotic with themselves When people criticize them these are things no one considers They have since likely gotten better they always learn as they go Also their budgets are always small 10:22 Pokémon team wasn’t experienced enough with switch hardware when they first started development for the game and they are a smaller team then most also the game was made during Covid so it had a decent amount of obstacles and it couldn’t be delayed because they have to abide by the merch and the anime and the tcg They have to be symbiotic with themselves When people criticize them these are things no one considers their dev time is 3-6 actually u just don’t feel it cuz they work on multiple projects simultaneously with the budget of a Disney channel movie around 15-20mil and they have to balance game release with the anime and the cards Everyone can say pokemon should be like Zelda or xenoblade but those games don’t have an anime and a tcg they have to abide by it’s like jenga Also they do make decisions dictated by the competitive scene And they may or may not share resources that part I’m unsure of Hot take: the point of Pokémon is to appeal to the widest audience possible and that there’s something for everyone from mainline to the anime to the spin offs Well maybe if people got into the other avenues of the franchise rather than solely the games u wouldn’t be disappointed Since the series was designed to be symbiotic with itself and to experience every avenue together for a complete experience U guys need to reevaluate ur priorities Visuals,frame rate,art style are irrelevant People are too focused on superficial nonsense let’s be real u didn’t get into the original games for the graphics And If u didn’t play games for the graphics as a kid then why would u play them for the graphics now Sorry u forgot what the point of Pokémon was to begin with Pokémon SV isn’t an unfinished game they just pull all the effort into the shit that ACTUALLY matters Pokémon is always meant to be an entry level jrpg maybe the people trying to hate on pokemon maybe they just aren’t into jrpgs If The lore was good The writing was good The music was good The vibes were good The messages were good The character designs were good That’s all you really need
The series knows what it is and its niche(by niche I mean space) and what it wants to be and there’s nothing wrong with that and it doesn’t have to be anything else The mainstream audience doesn’t care about graphics or bugs or anything they just like to vibe People are just trying to make it something that is isn’t And something that doesn’t fit its style Maybe u don’t like Pokemon just aren’t into RPGs and that’s fine dont have to use that as an excuse to be toxic If its not ur thing just move on imo They’re gonna do their own thing and be their own thing in their own way Pokémon is always meant to be an entry level jrpg maybe the people trying to hate on pokemon maybe they just aren’t into jrpgs If The lore was good The writing was good The music was good The vibes were good The messages were good The character designs were good That’s all you really need The series knows what it is and its niche(by niche I mean space) and what it wants to be and there’s nothing wrong with that and it doesn’t have to be anything else The mainstream audience doesn’t care about graphics or bugs or anything they just like to vibe People are just trying to make it something that is isn’t And something that doesn’t fit its style Maybe u don’t like Pokemon just aren’t into RPGs and that’s fine dont have to use that as an excuse to be toxic If its not ur thing just move on imo They’re gonna do their own thing and be their own thing in their own way Calling pokemon “lazy” is lazy they got more to do than most devs they make two games and have to be symbiotic with the rest of the series and all this other stuff They can’t delay the game they have a symbiotic release system The games are leashed to the anime,tcg,etc and the anime,tcg etc is leashed to the games Tpc is constantly playing a game of jenga trying to balance each of its branches The games are in development for 3-6 years we just don’t feel it because a lot of times they work on multiple generations at the same time they have two teams the games have a 15-20 million dollar budget They probably share resources Maybe about the sharing idk They have been working on Gen 10 for a few years now Visuals,frame rate,art style are irrelevant People are too focused on superficial nonsense If The lore was good The writing was good The music was good The vibes were good The messages were good The character designs were good That’s all you really need Can’t believe people still care about that frame stuff I’m sorry people got so lost and brainwashed by the superficialities of the industry you forgot what Pokémon was originally about And I know that the game isn’t perfect and that there’s issues Pokémon is a franchise where the theme is friendship is magic and meeting cute and cool unique monsters What the hell does graphics and performance have to do with those things? Nothing if you wanna criticize a franchise criticize it on whether or not it delivered on the messages and themes it promised Was friendship magic? Did you meet cute and cool unique creatures? Ok then it’s a good game Those are what’s important to Pokémon As the og theme said Pokémon is about Oh your my best friend in a world we must defend I will travel across the land searching far and wide each pokemon to understand the power that’s inside Our hearts so true our courage will pull us through you teach me and I teach you” That’s what it is about and that’s what it will always be about and if that’s what it continues to be about until the end Then that’s a strong enough ending for me Not sure what graphics and animation and performance has to do with that Performance graphics those things never Mattered You have to remember pokemon games have only been 3D since 2013 that’s pretty recent compared to other games like Zelda that have been 3D since the 90s and early 2000s so obviously they’re gonna be behind Mixed with the fact that They can’t delay the game because main console for only 5 years compared to Zelda since n64 The franchise was designed so that every aspect of it has a symbiotic relationship The games can’t release without the anime the merch and the manga and the manga the merch and the anime can’t release without the games And it’s about time you all understand that by now They are doing their best trying to balance the games with the tcg and the anime The Pokémon franchise is like a game of jenga If you move one thing it all falls apart They are doing the best they can sorry I’m the only one who appreciates that Unless you want them to hypothetically release the Gen 10 anime and then wait till the anime gets to Gen 15 to release the Gen 10 games they are still learning as they go so y’all gotta be patient and give them time to catch up Their partnership with take two they’ll apply what they learn back into Pokémon so that’s good You have to remember gamefreak are inexperienced with developing open world games so of course there will be some trial and error the more they work on and improve the game and do future games the better at it they’ll get Rome wasn’t built in a day we need to be patient Assuming we get more open world games NOT TO MENTION ScarVi’s development was probably screwed up by the pandemic Probably turned it upside down And before u say just delay the game They can’t delay the game The franchise was designed so that every aspect of it has a symbiotic relationship The games can’t release without the anime the merch and the manga and the manga the merch and the anime can’t release without the games And it’s about time you all understand that by now They are doing their best trying to balance the games with the tcg and the anime The Pokémon franchise is like a game of jenga If you move one thing it all falls apart They are doing the best they can sorry I’m the only one who appreciates that Unless you want them to hypothetically release the Gen 10 anime and then wait till the anime gets to Gen 15 to release the Gen 10 games it’s not outdated it’s rebellious and nonconformist The games aren’t rushed there is a schedule they abide by for symbiosis The games and the anime and tcg are all beholden to each other You can’t move one without ruining the groove Unless you one gen 10 game to come out years after the gen 10 anime and have it spoiled There is a symbiosis there When you watch the anime it makes u wanna play the game and vice versa so they are companion pieces designed to be experienced together for a complete experience They choose to live in their own bubble and be one of a kind and not imitate what everyone else does and they have my respect for that the og games bugs are looked back on as charming Give SV 20 years it’ll be the same Running shmunning
@@PlatinumAltariathe franchise hasn’t declined ur just looking at it from a very narrow point of view Also there’s more to the franchise than the anime alone It’s a symbiotic experience the reason u feel it’s declining is because ur not simultaneously watching the anime playing the tcg collecting merch So no it hasn’t declined ur just not participating in the series 100%
@@PlatinumAltariaI argued why it wasn’t it u actually read it Pokémon isn’t trying to be a game it’s trying to be a lifestyle Plz actually read what I said
Brilliant Diamond is the first Pokemon game I flat out didn't finish. DP was already one of my least favorite generations, and I felt like this remake felt like it added very little. Because the previous remakes used the art style of the then current generation games, they were able to stay faithful while flourishing out the world. FRLG for example just took advantage of that sweet color that the original games didn't have and just feels like the definitive way to enjoy Gen 1 as it feels it fixed all the many bugs of the original while even adding the Sevii Islands, making it a nice incentive to find Johto Pokemon in the Gen 3 art style, which you couldn't do as much in Ruby and Sapphire. ORAS pushed the original game to 3D and made brilliant use of expanding on the epicness and even creepiness of the original cutscenes such as when encountering Groudon or Kyogre. It felt like such a celebration and enhancement of the feelings I had about the mysterious nature of the game. BDSP just feels too similar to its original though... Like, there is almost no deviation it feels from even the placement of the map tiles. The original already was using 3D models for several things. And using 3D models for the characters (which obviously felt better as 2D sprites in the original with their art style for overworld) just has me wondering what the heck they were thinking. In Link's Awakening, that isn't just overworld 3D models, that is their actual form, so it makes sense the entire world conforms to that style. This, however, felt like everyone was literally weird, 3D chibi personas, except when in battle, rather than just a simple overworld representation, and this becomes far too clear when this game had more 3D camera views, slamming that idea harder into the player's mind. In other words, BDSP's use of chibi 3D models for the overworld didn't feel like I was just looking at an overworld representation, it made me feel these are their ACTUAL shapes, in a world that didn't actually fully go through with the diorama look. I'd say Gen 6 did a better job of this as their overworld models still resemble actual human anatomy better, so the look isn't as drastic during the switch to cutscenes where we see their full size.
Bdsp is misunderstood it may not have had platinum content but it did add it’s own new stuff like expanded underground, updated qol, modern type chart, modern movepool, ramanas park etc and it’s got wholesome vibes Also Ilca is more experienced now It was loved by the mainstream casual audience The more hardcore fans may not have liked it but they weren’t the target audience The game was designed to be an approachable game for beginner players so they had to make it look as cute and as welcoming as possible hence the chibi appearance Bdsp added more new content than platinum tho It’s got the up to date type chart as well as the move pools It completely overhauled the underground It gave us the hardest elite four and champion out of any pokemon game We got ramanas park It’s got clothing customization as well It removed the hassle of HMs It’s way faster not slow anymore How are all these new things not considered definitive Sure platinum added its own stuff but to say bdsp didn’t add anything when it added a lot is pretty disingenuous
@@kirbyofthestarsfanI remember people during Gen 8 saying how much they missed the classic style and how they did not want a other game that looked like them Careful what u wish for
I thought we all established that Nintendo biggest strength is that they’re the opposite of PlayStation and Xbox and they don’t prioritize graphics Why does this lesson go out the window when it comes to pokemon? The graphics do not matter Pokémon is about the lore, the soundtrack, the story, the character designs, the messages and themes etc All this hypocrisy is so exhausting
I enjoyed your point at the end, and I'd also like to add that I'd really enjoy it if games that WERE bad the first time around got more remakes. I understand, financially speaking, why that doesn't happen. Why waste money on a game that wasn't already successful and risk not making money a second time? But there are so many games that have so much missed potential. I'd find far more entertainment seeing a good concept previously executed poorly done better, than a good concept already executed well done again.
Honestly, I think another case for remakes is games that are clearly beloved later and appreciated but didn't sell well initially. It's better than choosing a bad game and then hoping it will sell better if remade. Think like Earthbound, a game that clearly has so many fans and passionate ones at that remaking the games as well as making games inspired by it. Mother 1 didn't come the U.S. officially until years later (and even then, it was lazily unmodified from its beta source). Mother 3 was going to be a game with a completely different art style but was limited by technology. Imagine bringing Mother 3 finally to the west but as it was imagined (with a clay-mation asthetic), unbound by the hardware limitations of the time. It was a game series that clearly a story to tell, so I feel it's actually a case where a remake could make sense, even a more faithful one.
I don't care how different a remake is compared to the original- as long as the og tile is preserved and available to play on modern hardware. Using a personal example, Demon's Souls Remake was an explosive hit, but as a fan of the original it wasn't for me. This sucks because the original is console locked to the PS3 and the Remake has essentially superseded it as the 'definitive' and *only* way to play the game (without owning a ps3). Now look at Resident Evil 4. Yeah, the Remake changed a ton, but fans of the original are free to buy and play the game on literally EVERY console from the last decade and a half as well as PC.
The way Nintendo manages their games and the way Game Freak does is completely separated. Nintendo’s many teams usually operate independently from each other, and there isn’t like a company mandate to do remakes a certain way. With Game Freak is specially more so. They are an independent studio from Nintendo and co-own Pokémon as a franchise with them, but are left to their own devices. PLUS, the BdSp remakes weren’t even made by them, rather DeNA, a mobile game focus developer.
The link’s awakening remake artstyle is beautiful idc you’re just wrong and I love how goofy link’s look especially in totk with the awakening tunic I would love more of that style except more speed and animations to link’s movements more like a link between worlds I don’t like the weird 8 directions limit lock on modern remakes it’s weird to not improve that. Soo yeah I totally agree remakes shouldn’t keep old limitations just to stay “faithful” in that sense
I thought mario looked off being small and squashed but when the camera is over head and in battle then i started to think this looks good then it started to click cant wait for the remake of mario rpg And good news the ! Icon is to show you when to hit the button so hope that helps you out
Something important about BDSP vs (for example) the HD remakes of the Wind Waker and Twilight Princess is that Pokemon remakes until BDSP were well known for essentially being the original game mixed with what the newest game was. ORAS is the best example of this because it even included mega evolution, and also added a bunch of full on extra content like the Eon Flute, new Megas exclusive to ORAS, the Delta Resort, and the Battle Resort, which while some people are upset that the Battle Frontier didn't make a return, I personally am ok with it because the standard Battle Facilities like the Battle Tower usually suck in my opinion and then it's a mixed bag from there, but the Battle Maison at least means you can do it with XY players and it's somehow better because you get 1 BP minimum every victory, meaning you don't have to win 7 in a row multiple times to help you get comp Pokemon which always sucked in any game. Also the Resort itself has one of the best daycare loops, and even then it's amazing because you could use it to get a Pokemon from level 1-100 completely AFK if you got your D-Pad left or Right stuck pressed overnight. Although yeah I just stated an opinion that's highly controversial on accident because it's irrelevant to what I'm talking about, ORAS and HGSS and even Firered and Leafgreen have new content and areas exclusive to their areas that don't replace anything. The closest we got are stuff like the Grand Underground (which sucks and replaced the original Sinnoh Underground which I think is better if you have friends. Only if you have other Sinnoh DS friends) and the Pal Park replacement, which allowed you to catch legendary Pokemon from... Wait only gens 1-4 are available in BDSP? But ORAS was literally 1-5, and that's only because they wanted you to buy XY for the Kalos Legendary Pokemon. Also the only version of Pokemon Contests that I've ever been a fan of are the ORAS ones because it's effortless to get into once you just have some berries. BDSP makes it a rhythm game without the Rhythm. And it blows. Hard Edit: I literally paused the video to put my thoughts on it right before you covered it lmao so this is literally an in-depth understanding from a Pokemon fan who didn't like BDSP.
I thought we all established that Nintendo biggest strength is that they’re the opposite of PlayStation and Xbox and they don’t prioritize graphics Why does this lesson go out the window when it comes to pokemon? The graphics do not matter Pokémon is about the lore, the soundtrack, the story, the character designs, the messages and themes etc All this hypocrisy is so exhausting
@@madnessarcade7447 BDSP did much worse then just look off. Like at the time I was one of the people who were ok with it looking like that, wasn't great but wasn't bad either. There's way more issues with BDSP then just the graphics. I said as much, a good example was the Pokemon contests. They weren't good remakes from a Pokemon fan perspective. Them looking bad is the obvious criticism, and that's low hanging fruit. Also Nintendo doesn't look as good as PlayStation and Xbox? Breath of the Wild is a good standard visuals wise, if they aren't going for an art style. And if an art style is being attempted, it needs to work, and not fall under the uncanny valley
tbh i am excited for smrpg remake only cause it looks like its keeping to the original designs as closely as possible, hope its also uncensored from the japanese release, but i wouldnt hold my breath, also if they do a remake for B/W like they did for bdsp, im gonna be PISSED
SMRPG feels so special, it's so good that nintendo is allowing it to remain the quirky artstyle charm it had in 1996, after an era where the unique M&L and Paper Mario eventually started turning their artstyles more in-line with NSMB, which was a bummer
I personally *love* the art style of the remakes and nobody can tell me otherwise. I just felt that the lighting for some parts was unpolished. I just don't really get the "universal hate" for it... :P Edit: Watching the rest of the video, I am on the camp of "I think faithful remakes are better" because I feel that trying to change way too much of the base game makes it a little bit of its own thing rather than a genuine remake. (Which is the reason I heavily dislike the FF7 remake)
i agree, a lot of it is expectations. like, with pokemon, when every last remake really.. well, remade it in the style of the new, and made it bigger and better, too... when one comes out and it's just... the old one with a worse art style and an exp share you can't turn off... and it's $60. yeah, that's just bad. honestly, if the art style were different, maybe i'd be singing a different tune. instead of awkward 3d models trying to copy the grid from the old spritework, it was like.. still 2d? new fancy pixel art with a buncha love put into it. that could be something.. actually good!
Bdsp is misunderstood it may not have had platinum content but it did add it’s own new stuff like expanded underground, updated qol, modern type chart, modern movepool, ramanas park etc and it’s got wholesome vibes Also Ilca is more experienced now It was loved by the mainstream casual audience The more hardcore fans may not have liked it but they weren’t the target audience The game was designed to be an approachable game for beginner players so they had to make it look as cute and as welcoming as possible hence the chibi appearance Bdsp added more new content than platinum tho It’s got the up to date type chart as well as the move pools It completely overhauled the underground It gave us the hardest elite four and champion out of any pokemon game We got ramanas park It’s got clothing customization as well It removed the hassle of HMs It’s way faster not slow anymore How are all these new things not considered definitive Sure platinum added its own stuff but to say bdsp didn’t add anything when it added a lot is pretty disingenuous
I've kinda come to appreciate faithful remakes as I've gotten older. Maybe it's the cynical side of me with a touch of nostalgia, but I'd rather have a game I already know is good get polished and put out with a couple extra goodies on a modern device, than to take the risk with an entirely new game that will likely fail with its ambitions, or with a sequel which probably isn't going to be faithful to the original much at all. Often times sequels will be affected by a pressure to innovate, or cave to what's popular in the market right now. Either that or it gets stuck with some fresh new egotistical dev who wants to "make the franchise their own" by tossing out a lot of what made the original they're making a sequel to cool and popular in the first place. New games are always a risk, and have to be dealt with on a case by case basis to figure out if they're good and worth playing or not. Sometimes it's nice to just have a solid take on already tread ground with a game you already know is good. The uncertainty and risk with that is just completely minimal, and it drives conversations back to an older era of gaming, with ideas that have laid dormant for decades suddenly piquing people's interest again.
Bdsp is misunderstood it may not have had platinum content but it did add it’s own new stuff like expanded underground, updated qol, modern type chart, modern movepool, ramanas park etc and it’s got wholesome vibes Also Ilca is more experienced now It was loved by the mainstream casual audience The more hardcore fans may not have liked it but they weren’t the target audience The game was designed to be an approachable game for beginner players so they had to make it look as cute and as welcoming as possible hence the chibi appearance Bdsp added more new content than platinum tho It’s got the up to date type chart as well as the move pools It completely overhauled the underground It gave us the hardest elite four and champion out of any pokemon game We got ramanas park It’s got clothing customization as well It removed the hassle of HMs It’s way faster not slow anymore How are all these new things not considered definitive Sure platinum added its own stuff but to say bdsp didn’t add anything when it added a lot is pretty disingenuous
I remember during Gen 8 people were like I miss the classic style I hate the swsh n64 trees I don’t want another game like this Careful what u wish for
I thought we all established that Nintendo biggest strength is that they’re the opposite of PlayStation and Xbox and they don’t prioritize graphics Why does this lesson go out the window when it comes to pokemon? The graphics do not matter Pokémon is about the lore, the soundtrack, the story, the character designs, the messages and themes etc All this hypocrisy is so exhausting
Fire vid even tho i havent watched yet edit: ok just watched bdsp section and i think that the artstyle is just kinda sad when compared to things like links awakening and mario rpg's remake and i dont know why its just like trying to be more realistic for the lighting while being more toy and fantasy like for the models and stuff. also i very much agree with the point of the games just being worse than the old ones which is really sad imo (as someone who has never played pokemon diamond pearl or platinum and really liked Sword and Shield especially for the artstyle)
Why is this in Bad Takes? You had made some great points while respecting and acknowledging outside point of views. Give yourself so more credit lol, your videos are great. keep up the good work.
Yeah... And Pokemon kinda used it for 6 generations in a row, so I never understood why Diamond and Pearl remakes using it was such a big controversial thing.
I truly don't understand what people dislike about BDSP. Nintendo optimized the game in every way while staying true to the original games. BDSP's champion fight is actually a challenge this time, especially the rematches. When I played Platinum I thought the distortion world was lazy filler, because it is a one time place with puzzles, a trainer battle and a boss. And when I beat the champion in that game, I was done. In BDSP however, I played well beyond the elite 4 and discovered some post game stuff, because the game stayed fun. Something the originals can't be compared with. Also, I just like a Pokémon game where I can complete the dex, still not possible but very close.
maybe this is going to get me roasted, but considering the subject matter of the video maybe this is the best place to say this. I think that metroid prime remastered looks both too clean and too kiddy in a werid way. granted the trailers give me more of that vibe and actaully playing does make me feel less like this. i'm thrilled about it's existance for sure. it's just well there's nitpicks. the charge beam looks werid and having to auto fire a few times like hunters before the charge kicks in feels cheap. I wish they could let you turn that off.
This is my opinion ~Mario RPG Hype ×1000 They don't need to do much because this Game is already a Super🔥🐐 Actually there are more chances that whatever they try to do could backfire instead ~The Legend of Zelda I am a Neutral Stance toward the Graphic, TLoZ has never been consistent with it It's Good they tried to add something like the Dungeon Maker ~Pokemon I am neutral about it too & even if Pokémon changed Graphic too, but it was more It being Upgraded than being Inconsistent I don't even remember what they added to the game I only know they removed 2 Feature (that I personally liked & wanted to be expanded upon not removed) Soooo Mario = This is why it is the Goat!!! The Goat!!! TLoZ = I mean it isn't Bad but... Pokémon = This is the Biggest Piece of.... (Pokémon Let's Go Flashbacks) The Second Biggest Piece of 🐕💩 I have ever seen
Bdsp is misunderstood it may not have had platinum content but it did add it’s own new stuff like expanded underground, updated qol, modern type chart, modern movepool, ramanas park etc and it’s got wholesome vibes Also Ilca is more experienced now It was loved by the mainstream casual audience The more hardcore fans may not have liked it but they weren’t the target audience The game was designed to be an approachable game for beginner players so they had to make it look as cute and as welcoming as possible hence the chibi appearance Bdsp added more new content than platinum tho It’s got the up to date type chart as well as the move pools It completely overhauled the underground It gave us the hardest elite four and champion out of any pokemon game We got ramanas park It’s got clothing customization as well It removed the hassle of HMs It’s way faster not slow anymore How are all these new things not considered definitive Sure platinum added its own stuff but to say bdsp didn’t add anything when it added a lot is pretty disingenuous
I never get the point of remakes and ports. It increases the feel that past is better than modern. We have emulator! They should focus on creating new games! We don't ask for remake and ports! Let the past as it is!
Nah, I grew up with SMRPG and I share your initial thoughts on the matter. The UI is also absolute trash. The color choices are always going to be something that's bothersome, as they had to be very nitpicky and precise with palettes under color restrictions way back when. I just don't jive with the overly poppy and bright-washy colors compared to the beautiful darker contrasts in the original. I think some people were so desperate for a remake they're just happy it exists at all, lol also not too keen on some of the spell effects. Even as a matter of taste thing, seeing such a wimpy Water Blast from Yaridovich when the OG pops geysers all over the screen into an explosion is pretty disappointing. I'm sure they'll also un-obfuscate some of the tricky things, like Grate Guy's Casino(good luck finding this in the original without a guide lololol) which isn't necessarily bad. It's just *meh* for me, but isn't a total travesty.
Remakes are not unnecessary, except you can still buy and play the original games legally, which is in fakt not posible in the most cases. You can not buy Super Mario RPG for the SNES anymore. Last time was on the Mini SNES and it was only a limited product and before that it was on the Wii-Shop. What I don't understand are people, that think about old games everyone could already buy and play every old game. So they spoil things from the game or argument against remakes of old games. Some 15 years old players today maybe never heared about Mario RPG before or could never played Links Awakening. I personal prefer re-release or ports of old games something what Nightdive Studios did with Turok, Shadowman or even Doom 64. I like to see and fell how they played, but understand that some prefer modern takes of old games to make them more enjoyable for them. Also the music of Animal Village in the Link's Awakening Remake sucks in comparison of the original GB version.
Notable addition: the pokemon contests are actually just gone. It’s a crappy cutscene now
The secret bases are replaced with a way to influence spawn rates too. The new stuff in the Grand Underground is nice, but the absolute gutting of bases kinda ruins the appeal for me.
¿¡What the heck do you people mean!?
@@flax72l.a13 they removed features from pokemon BDSP that were in the original, we're complaining about it
@@jazzparagus1718 ¡Hmm... Okay, Right!
@@jazzparagus1718Weren't people complaining about contest being in Gen 3 and 4 back in the day? As someone who's been around since Gen 1 I find it hilarious that people have been bitching about the new Pokemon games online since essentially ever. Heck remember the Sevii islands? The things people were complaining about being taken off Let's Go Pikachu and Eevee? Those were considered an addition that added nothing and just broke the pace of a game because it was lazily slapped in right at the end of the 7th Gym and you were forced into it by the game. It's all a god damn vicious cycle of just hating on the new thing just because it's new and not because of their actual quality with Pokemon fans. Remember the physical and special split that Gen 4 introduced? You know the thing that nowadays is considered the best decision GameFreak ever made? Mother truckers were complaining about GameFreak "Ruining the game" because Ghost was no longer a Physical type and now actual Ghost types can actually use their own god damn moves now. And I know someone will say "Ohh but the games are so glitchy now" Bruh, they've always been glitchy messes.
14:07 "The only games that are being remade nowadays are ones that were already good"
It would be cool if companies went back and re-made games that weren't initially well-received. Obviously bad games are bad for a reason. But I like the idea of taking a game that was good in theory but fell behind in execution, and giving it a second chance to reach a fresh audience with some modern polish.
Yeah you think people are going to buy a Metroid Federation Force Remake? They'll instead bitch at Nintendo for not remaking a game that was well received instead.
@@diegomedina9637 Lol, that doesn't fit the criteria, it is still pretty poorly received years after it cam out. OP meant a game that grew more genuine appreciation overtime, kinda how Wind Waker got an amazing remaster on Wii U
Honestly, the main reason why I tend to not mind "faithful" remakes (if handled well, obviously) is because compared to things like movies video games have been a much more fundamentally iterative medium. As someone who loves Mario RPG, I don't mind it being made available to more people with improvements that will probably make it more accessible to modern audiences on a gameplay level. And that's not even getting into games where a sense of immersion is part of the experience, and updating the visuals to more modern fidelity standards can genuinely improve the experience because of it (though that usually requires the dev team to have access to resources equivalent to what the original team had in order to sell the same sense of polish, but that's a whole other can of worms).
Let’s talk about the problems with BDSP:
1. Expectations: All prior remakes all used the latest engines. Fire Red and Leaf Green used the Ruby and Sapphire engine. Heart Gold and Soul Silver used the Diamond and Pearl engine. Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire used the X and Y engine. You might be tempted to say “Let’s Go didn’t use Sun and Moon or the Sword and Shield type engines,” but I would counter that they did use the latest engine: Pokemon Go. Let’s Go was a remake styled after the, at the time, extremely popular Pokémon Go mobile game catching system. That’s four remakes where they always used the latest developments in the series to make the remakes. BDSP used a brand new art style that no one wanted. People even later proved they could have used the battle models to get more realistic proportions, but they still went with bobble head funko pop characters.
2. Missing Pokémon: The three main series remakes were fully compatible with their companion games. They had all the Pokémon up to that point. Let’s Go didn’t, but that was because the companion game for Let’s Go was really Pokémon Go. BDSP was limited to only the original Pokémon up to generation four.
3. Unfaithful remake: BDSP claims to be a faithful remake, but it isn’t at all. How is forced EXP share a faithful remake? How is including the fairy type faithful? Contests are worse than the originals.
4. Quality issues: From what I understand, the original cartridges shipped didn’t have the opening start menu movie, the correct soundtrack, and were missing some post game content. Are you really going to tell me with a straight face that the soundtrack needed a day one patch? If I understand correctly, omitting this data allowed them to increase profit margins by using smaller cartridges. I bought the cartridges for game preservation, so this really angered me. I would have easily paid more just to make sure I have the entire game. A few day one fixes are fine, but the context makes this look like they sold an inferior physical copy to save money. I think this practice should be considered fraud. If your game isn’t ready for a physical print run, just don’t print it yet and sell digital until you are ready for a complete copy. This should be obvious.
Bdsp is misunderstood it may not have had platinum content but it did add it’s own new stuff like expanded underground, updated qol, modern type chart, modern movepool, ramanas park etc and it’s got wholesome vibes
Also Ilca is more experienced now
It was loved by the mainstream casual audience
The more hardcore fans may not have liked it but they weren’t the target audience
The game was designed to be an approachable game for beginner players so they had to make it look as cute and as welcoming as possible hence the chibi appearance
Bdsp added more new content than platinum tho
It’s got the up to date type chart as well as the move pools
It completely overhauled the underground
It gave us the hardest elite four and champion out of any pokemon game
We got ramanas park
It’s got clothing customization as well
It removed the hassle of HMs
It’s way faster not slow anymore
How are all these new things not considered definitive
Sure platinum added its own stuff but to say bdsp didn’t add anything when it added a lot is pretty disingenuous
The problem I had with BDSP was not the artstyle, it was odd but I didn’t mind it at all.
The issue was that it fundamentally wasn’t a remake, it was just a visual revamp. We should’ve gotten a Gen 4 remake on the level of what Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire was for Gen 3, with the Pokédex updated to include mons from beyond Gen 4 and reusable TMs, when all we got was the new party-wide Exp Share that you can’t turn off.
"If you liked how slow Diamond and Pearl are, you'll love enjoying that same experience with uglier art!"
@@PlatinumAltariathe art isn’t ugly just has that toy art style 😅
@@NitwitsWorld If you think BDSP looks like the Link's Awakening remake, I take great pity on your eyes.
@@PlatinumAltaria nah all games are special! I only like the gen 4 remake because they stay true to the original art style of the old Gen 4 game just as 3D models. While the older remakes by GameFreak changed up the art style for some NPCs to look natural from the previous gen they were doing. The company who was tasked to remaking gen 4 was told not to change too much of the character designs or add stuff from S&S like giant forms and was told to just make it a one to one of the original. It might seem silly but at least someone will have fun with the battle models and use them in a funny parody videos
@@NitwitsWorld Pokémon Platinum is still the definitive way to play Sinnoh, there really is zero reason to play anything else. And that means the remakes failed at the one thing they're supposed to do.
personally, I don't think we should have any more pokemon remakes. Not because "bdsp bad therefore every remake after it will be bad" but because I believe pokemon remakes as a whole have run there course. I don't think there's anything they can do to the old games now that will really surprise or impress me. I'd much prefer if they did something like "pokemon legends kyreum" or something in the similar to that.
As a Pokémon fan, I agree with you ~75%. I absolutely want more remakes in the vein of HGSS & ORAS, but I'd be fine without those so long as they port the games so we can still access them. I wanted to play Sapphire and had to dish out a good sum of money just so I could play it and transfer Pokémon from XD all the way to Sword.
Even though I say all that, X and Y deserve full on re-imaginings like Final Fantasy 7 or Resident Evil 4.
I somewhat agree. I think it would be more fun to stop the "remakes" and try to embrace what the legends series did and tell a new story with different(ish) characters in a familiar yet completely different way. But I would like to see more side game remakes like Rescue Team DX. (Personally hoping for a ranger remke since I like circles.) I think Pokémon (and Nintendo as a whole) really needs a break from the formula to start making better games.
Not when the older games cost a vein.
@@Meaxisimoi really agreed with ur last sentence
Completely agree, I'm a little scared for how they're gonna handle Black and White inevitably. Legends Arceus was the most fun I've had in a pokemon game in a while though, so I'd be 100% down for a Legends Kyurem or something like that
As somebody who absolutely hated the remakes of Link's Awakening and BDSP for not realizing the original devs' visual intent, I actually adore the look of SMRPG's remake
Mostly because of many different factors:
-The weird artstyle of the original 3d models was a huge part of its weird charm, and considering how strict Nintendo has been on keeping the Mario brand, it's refreshing to see them greenlight a game that looks SO similar to the original SNES models, like being faithful not to limitations of 2d sprites (when the devs had other idealized looks for Link or Dawn in those games), but this looking like the actual wonky 3d designs that Squaresoft made so long ago is such a cool detail
-Considering how the other two RPG series eventually started losing their cool artstyles or turning more of the weird aspects of their original games into more of the vanilla Mario look (M&L and ESPECIALLY paper mario suffer from this so much), so seeing a remake that looks so wildly different with all the weird Kingdom Hearts esque looking enemies it has, it just feels good to have this kind of experimental Mario game back after the last two decades kept everything too on-brand
The remake of Link's awakening is great, what are you on about?
I thought the Link's Awakening Remake was pretty good in terms of visuals and Quality of life additions. Mario RPG's remake is looking to be pretty good as well. The problem I had with BDSP isn't the visuals but that it feels like a copy and paste of the original Diamond and Pearl. I wish they did what they did with ORAS where its mostly like the original during the main story but they add a few things but when they get to the post game they should have had something like the Delta episode from ORAS but made it revolve around Girantina. Now I do like the harder Pokemon league as it made me come up with some strategies and I actually had to grind for a bit which hadn't had to do in a Pokemon game for a long time. I also like the fact you can find certain Platinum Pokemon in the grand underground. Pokemon like Scyther, Houndoom, Magnemite, etc. (You could also find Munchlax much easier in the grand underground.
ORAS isn't much like the original at all.. The hell are you on?
@@carnage0685he probably doesn’t know that the previous remakes were done by GameFreak and BDSP was developed by a different company so that is why it doesn’t feel like a Pokémon remake
@@NitwitsWorld No, he means he wants every character to go through a moderate to drastic redesign, wants a new powercreeped gimmick to be tacked onto Pokémon that not only don’t need it, but don’t even WANT it, wants Giratina to be completely demystified and have their character ruined in the postgame, and wants a new random unbearably uninteresting character with a cool battle theme shoved in for again, no real reason. Did I miss anything? Oh yeah, he probably wants all of the new forms to be revealed prior to launch so he complain about the game not having any surprises left.
No thanks, I’d much rather settle for a bland, uninspired, poorly programmed copy and paste that quickly gets flushed down the toilet and forgotten about unless you’re a modder. Much better than outright defiling something and having it stuck in everyone’s memory. In an ideal world we would get remakes like HG/SS or even FR/LG, but nobody wants that for some reason lol
@@carnage0685 pretty much 😂
Bdsp is misunderstood it may not have had platinum content but it did add it’s own new stuff like expanded underground, updated qol, modern type chart, modern movepool, ramanas park etc and it’s got wholesome vibes
Also Ilca is more experienced now
It was loved by the mainstream casual audience
The more hardcore fans may not have liked it but they weren’t the target audience
The game was designed to be an approachable game for beginner players so they had to make it look as cute and as welcoming as possible hence the chibi appearance
Bdsp added more new content than platinum tho
It’s got the up to date type chart as well as the move pools
It completely overhauled the underground
It gave us the hardest elite four and champion out of any pokemon game
We got ramanas park
It’s got clothing customization as well
It removed the hassle of HMs
It’s way faster not slow anymore
How are all these new things not considered definitive
Sure platinum added its own stuff but to say bdsp didn’t add anything when it added a lot is pretty disingenuous
Pokemon remakes had two goals 1) retroduce that Generation's Pokemon to the current generation reducing the reliance of older games. 2) Explore the old games with the new mechanics (FRLG with Abilities, held items, and the Dark and Steel types, Mega Evolution in ORAS).
1) BDSP couldn't interact with Shield and Sword, dividing the player base. Dexit means you can't move pokemon unless they exist in a future game. Pokemon Home is limbo.
2) The game is selective on whether it wants to be faithful to Gen 4 or Gen 8. (The Affection Mechanic exists, the EXP Share mechanic exists, but there's no Gigantimax. The underground is replaced with a Wild Area.
I first played links awake on my 3ds in 2014 and finished and loved it when the remake came out i was a bit eh about the art style but when i played it its now my go too way to play that game
I think there are couple more reasons why the BDSP were so poor received:
Pokémon as a franchise has evolved relatively little, while each Zelda is wildly different from the other and Mario RPG games do maintain a few design beats but can easily be divided in at least 3 categories, pokémon games are mostly all the same with the only significant and easily observable upgrades being the graphics, so to see that ignored in a remake stings that much more
On top of that, it came right off the controversial SnS games, with many people calling the pokémon franchise lazy among other things and to have a seemingly low effort remake come out feels like adding insult to injury, especially when it fails to properly nail down the "toy" look the other two games you compared it to have
And was the first to be remake by another company instead of GameFreak so it shows 😅
Bdsp is misunderstood it may not have had platinum content but it did add it’s own new stuff like expanded underground, updated qol, modern type chart, modern movepool, ramanas park etc and it’s got wholesome vibes
Also Ilca is more experienced now
It was loved by the mainstream casual audience
The more hardcore fans may not have liked it but they weren’t the target audience
The game was designed to be an approachable game for beginner players so they had to make it look as cute and as welcoming as possible hence the chibi appearance
Bdsp added more new content than platinum tho
It’s got the up to date type chart as well as the move pools
It completely overhauled the underground
It gave us the hardest elite four and champion out of any pokemon game
We got ramanas park
It’s got clothing customization as well
It removed the hassle of HMs
It’s way faster not slow anymore
How are all these new things not considered definitive
Sure platinum added its own stuff but to say bdsp didn’t add anything when it added a lot is pretty disingenuous
This is factually false Pokémon has always innovated
Pokémon has always been innovating and changing things up so I wouldn’t say predictable
Predictability isn’t the samething as tradition
They have always experimented with new concepts and mechanics
Like breeding,natures,abilities, following pokemon, overworld encounters, physical special split, mega evolution,Zmoves, gigantamax/dynamax amie/refresh/camping, even motion controls from let’s go do these features not count as evolving/progressing are these things not ambitious?
The restructuring of the traditional Pokémon format by having the third legendary as the main focus not to mention being the first Pokémon games ever to do DLC and the regional evolutions
Also the various QoL stuff even having dynamax and gigantamax and you would not have SV without the wild area all of these new ideas and things for the franchise
Are these not ambitious
I mean all these things have changed the franchise in substantial ways
Every generation offers something ambitious is replacing gyms with trials not ambitious? Or making the galar league a tournament like the anime instead of a traditional elite four is that not ambitious
Sure none of them have ever been this super drastic
But to say it’s “not innovating” is a bit disingenuous
Has the steps in previous games been a bit smaller I mean sure
But baby steps and even medium steps is still progression
Why do we count this and not those
Shouldn’t it all count?
Some of these things maybe temporary but they are still creative and ambitious and drastically change the course of the franchise so they count
They like to get to things at their own pace when they feel ready that’s why sv ended up how it did because the fanbase pushed them to make the franchise open world before they were ready they said numerous times pokemon and open world don’t mix and we didn’t listen
I’m just sayin if they end up dropping open world for Gen 10
Because people didn’t like Gen 9 then don’t blame them
They tried it it didn’t work and now they move on
This is factually false Pokémon has always innovated
Pokémon has always been innovating and changing things up so I wouldn’t say predictable
Predictability isn’t the samething as tradition
They have always experimented with new concepts and mechanics
Like breeding,natures,abilities, following pokemon, overworld encounters, physical special split, mega evolution,Zmoves, gigantamax/dynamax amie/refresh/camping, even motion controls from let’s go do these features not count as evolving/progressing are these things not ambitious?
The restructuring of the traditional Pokémon format by having the third legendary as the main focus not to mention being the first Pokémon games ever to do DLC and the regional evolutions
Also the various QoL stuff even having dynamax and gigantamax and you would not have SV without the wild area all of these new ideas and things for the franchise
Are these not ambitious
I mean all these things have changed the franchise in substantial ways
Every generation offers something ambitious is replacing gyms with trials not ambitious? Or making the galar league a tournament like the anime instead of a traditional elite four is that not ambitious
Sure none of them have ever been this super drastic
But to say it’s “not innovating” is a bit disingenuous
Has the steps in previous games been a bit smaller I mean sure
But baby steps and even medium steps is still progression
Why do we count this and not those
Shouldn’t it all count?
Some of these things maybe temporary but they are still creative and ambitious and drastically change the course of the franchise so they count
They like to get to things at their own pace when they feel ready that’s why sv ended up how it did because the fanbase pushed them to make the franchise open world before they were ready they said numerous times pokemon and open world don’t mix and we didn’t listen
I’m just sayin if they end up dropping open world for Gen 10
Because people didn’t like Gen 9 then don’t blame them
They tried it it didn’t work and now they move on
Really awesome video on a topic that not a lot of people talk about. I think there's value in both faithful remakes and unfaithful remakes (Resident Evil 2 remake being an example of an unfaithful remake). In fact, there's value in doing both for the same game. If Nintendo wants to do an unfaithful remake of Link's Awakening or Super Mario RPG down the line I'd be all for it. And Pokemon BDSP probably should have been an unfaithful remake in the first place.
Sometimes you just want to experience a game from your childhood with higher production values. Link's Awakening and Super Mario RPG remake are great for that. Other times you love a game so much that a faithful remake wouldn't really be an improvement, which is where something like Resident Evil 4 remake comes in - basically allowing you to re-experience the game you love for the first time.
Honestly when it came to BDSP, the art style was the least of my problems. It had less added content than HGSS or ORAS, and it was also missing most of the content from Platinum even though the others had content from Crystal and Emerald. They didn’t even include the events that were programmed in but never released like Arceus and the Eon Flute. Again, super disappointing when ORAS made Deoxys and Latios/Latias, also event Pokémon, catchable in the base game.
The problem with “faithful” remakes is that they just do the bare minimum.
Bdsp is misunderstood it may not have had platinum content but it did add it’s own new stuff like expanded underground, updated qol, modern type chart, modern movepool, ramanas park etc and it’s got wholesome vibes
Also Ilca is more experienced now
It was loved by the mainstream casual audience
The more hardcore fans may not have liked it but they weren’t the target audience
The game was designed to be an approachable game for beginner players so they had to make it look as cute and as welcoming as possible hence the chibi appearance
Bdsp added more new content than platinum tho
It’s got the up to date type chart as well as the move pools
It completely overhauled the underground
It gave us the hardest elite four and champion out of any pokemon game
We got ramanas park
It’s got clothing customization as well
It removed the hassle of HMs
It’s way faster not slow anymore
How are all these new things not considered definitive
Sure platinum added its own stuff but to say bdsp didn’t add anything when it added a lot is pretty disingenuous
Shoutout to your section intros btw, i love them.
Each Pokémon game on switch has had a distinct art style clearly experimenting with the formulas is something they’re having fun with
Final Fantasy 7 would benefit, from not a remake, but like a visual overhaul. Honestly half of what made that game fun, was the Materia combinations. Now you are stifled with customizing how you play. So its not about remaking with 'modern standards' which are actually fucking lacking. We had like 200 materia in FF7. And could use them in combinations to better effect. Instead, we are going to get multiple games spread apart, with like 20 materia each. Baldurs Gate 3 is showing what an rpg should be. 'AAA' studios should be doing something like that instead of, cinematic bullshittery. And they can't really use the argument 'we wanted to make something new', because they are making things new, and this game is decades old it basically IS new. They just wanted to do something easier for more money. And part of the issue IS the lack of technological limitations. Now its just graphics and formats. Back then, creative solutions would get implemented and cause a distinct style among peers. Nowadays modern games are too *stingy* to even design a font.
You were talking about Mario Rpg having a bad way to learn the actions commands and wanting the remake having someway to improve it. Well at 10:56 If you look at Mario, he will have a "!" above him to maybe indicate when to use the action command, so you got your wish.
I still think that SMRPG remake’s style is a huge step up from Link’s Awakening and BDSP’s style.
It is! It has so much more detail than those two, plus it's committing to an awesome artstyle that wasn't ever revisited in the Mario series, so it's extra cool they're allowing it to look so different instead of staying to the boring brand Mario fell into from NSMB onwards, which many people saw with both M&L and Paper Mario.
Meanwhile those other two 'faithful remakes' failed to realize the actual vision the original developers had for those titles, Awakening wasn't pictured in its promo art to be made out of toys, Diamond and Pearl had gorgeous character designs that weren't presented in the overworld just out of limitations and traditions long broken. They might have been faithful to the player experience, but not to the developers
Bdsp is misunderstood it may not have had platinum content but it did add it’s own new stuff like expanded underground, updated qol, modern type chart, modern movepool, ramanas park etc and it’s got wholesome vibes
Also Ilca is more experienced now
It was loved by the mainstream casual audience
The more hardcore fans may not have liked it but they weren’t the target audience
The game was designed to be an approachable game for beginner players so they had to make it look as cute and as welcoming as possible hence the chibi appearance
Bdsp added more new content than platinum tho
It’s got the up to date type chart as well as the move pools
It completely overhauled the underground
It gave us the hardest elite four and champion out of any pokemon game
We got ramanas park
It’s got clothing customization as well
It removed the hassle of HMs
It’s way faster not slow anymore
How are all these new things not considered definitive
Sure platinum added its own stuff but to say bdsp didn’t add anything when it added a lot is pretty disingenuous
@@madnessarcade7447 tl;dr.
I see where you're coming from, but I don't really think that faithful remakes are supposed to appeal exclusively to people who are already nostalgic for the remade game. I for one wouldn't have thought about playing through Link's Awakening if it wasn't for the gorgeous graphics and quality of life improvements, and now it's one of my favorite games of all time. I believe every remake is supposed to breath new life to a title some people already love, but some would have never played otherwise. I had the exact same experience with the Resident Evil remakes, and though they're not the "faithful remakes" the video is about, they still compelled me to try out a franchise I haven't had a chance to play before. Still, fantastic video, earned a sub!
Yeah, I think that there are a lot of modern players who are simply turned off by Gameboy graphics, no matter how well the game made use of the hardware. Not me, personally, but I can see from a younger generation's perspective. Updating it to a more palatable style that they would be expecting could coerce them into trying the game they might not ever try.
To be fair, Pokémon was already on a losing streak, so people were a lot less open to this stuff than they might have been if there'd been a good game in the past 5 years.
People see Pokémon as a game or any other series that’s either good or bad but it’s not that it’s more than that Pokemon isn’t only games as a brand so stop treating it as if it’s just games when u say it’s dying cuz it’s not it’s more alive than ever
It’s a culture and a lifestyle a living breathing world with a story and lore and characters
We form parasocial relationships with these fictional animals because we love them so much and they have so much personality and backstory and it is a very customizable series it’s a perfect creative outlet
10:22 Pokémon team wasn’t experienced enough with switch hardware when they first started development for the game and they are a smaller team then most also the game was made during Covid so it had a decent amount of obstacles and it couldn’t be delayed because they have to abide by the merch and the anime and the tcg
They have to be symbiotic with themselves
When people criticize them these are things no one considers
They have since likely gotten better they always learn as they go
Also their budgets are always small
10:22 Pokémon team wasn’t experienced enough with switch hardware when they first started development for the game and they are a smaller team then most also the game was made during Covid so it had a decent amount of obstacles and it couldn’t be delayed because they have to abide by the merch and the anime and the tcg
They have to be symbiotic with themselves
When people criticize them these are things no one considers
their dev time is 3-6 actually u just don’t feel it cuz they work on multiple projects simultaneously with the budget of a Disney channel movie around 15-20mil and they have to balance game release with the anime and the cards
Everyone can say pokemon should be like Zelda or xenoblade but those games don’t have an anime and a tcg they have to abide by it’s like jenga
Also they do make decisions dictated by the competitive scene
And they may or may not share resources that part I’m unsure of
Hot take:
the point of Pokémon is to appeal to the widest audience possible and that there’s something for everyone from mainline to the anime to the spin offs
Well maybe if people got into the other avenues of the franchise rather than solely the games u wouldn’t be disappointed
Since the series was designed to be symbiotic with itself and to experience every avenue together for a complete experience
U guys need to reevaluate ur priorities Visuals,frame rate,art style are irrelevant
People are too focused on superficial nonsense
let’s be real u didn’t get into the original games for the graphics
And If u didn’t play games for the graphics as a kid then why would u play them for the graphics now
Sorry u forgot what the point of Pokémon was to begin with
Pokémon SV isn’t an unfinished game they just pull all the effort into the shit that ACTUALLY matters
Pokémon is always meant to be an entry level jrpg maybe the people trying to hate on pokemon maybe they just aren’t into jrpgs
If
The lore was good
The writing was good
The music was good
The vibes were good
The messages were good
The character designs were good
That’s all you really need
The series knows what it is and its niche(by niche I mean space) and what it wants to be and there’s nothing wrong with that and it doesn’t have to be anything else
The mainstream audience doesn’t care about graphics or bugs or anything they just like to vibe
People are just trying to make it something that is isn’t
And something that doesn’t fit its style
Maybe u don’t like Pokemon just aren’t into RPGs and that’s fine dont have to use that as an excuse to be toxic
If its not ur thing just move on imo
They’re gonna do their own thing and be their own thing in their own way
Pokémon is always meant to be an entry level jrpg maybe the people trying to hate on pokemon maybe they just aren’t into jrpgs
If
The lore was good
The writing was good
The music was good
The vibes were good
The messages were good
The character designs were good
That’s all you really need
The series knows what it is and its niche(by niche I mean space) and what it wants to be and there’s nothing wrong with that and it doesn’t have to be anything else
The mainstream audience doesn’t care about graphics or bugs or anything they just like to vibe
People are just trying to make it something that is isn’t
And something that doesn’t fit its style
Maybe u don’t like Pokemon just aren’t into RPGs and that’s fine dont have to use that as an excuse to be toxic
If its not ur thing just move on imo
They’re gonna do their own thing and be their own thing in their own way
Calling pokemon “lazy” is lazy they got more to do than most devs they make two games and have to be symbiotic with the rest of the series and all this other stuff
They can’t delay the game they have a symbiotic release system
The games are leashed to the anime,tcg,etc and the anime,tcg etc is leashed to the games
Tpc is constantly playing a game of jenga trying to balance each of its branches
The games are in development for 3-6 years we just don’t feel it because a lot of times they work on multiple generations at the same time they have two teams the games have a 15-20 million dollar budget
They probably share resources
Maybe about the sharing idk
They have been working on Gen 10 for a few years now
Visuals,frame rate,art style are irrelevant
People are too focused on superficial nonsense
If
The lore was good
The writing was good
The music was good
The vibes were good
The messages were good
The character designs were good
That’s all you really need
Can’t believe people still care about that frame stuff
I’m sorry people got so lost and brainwashed by the superficialities of the industry you forgot what Pokémon was originally about
And I know that the game isn’t perfect and that there’s issues
Pokémon is a franchise where the theme is friendship is magic and meeting cute and cool unique monsters
What the hell does graphics and performance have to do with those things?
Nothing if you wanna criticize a franchise criticize it on whether or not it delivered on the messages and themes it promised
Was friendship magic?
Did you meet cute and cool unique creatures?
Ok then it’s a good game
Those are what’s important to Pokémon
As the og theme said
Pokémon is about
Oh your my best friend in a world we must defend
I will travel across the land searching far and wide each pokemon to understand the power that’s inside
Our hearts so true our courage will pull us through
you teach me and I teach you”
That’s what it is about and that’s what it will always be about and if that’s what it continues to be about until the end
Then that’s a strong enough ending for me
Not sure what graphics and animation and performance has to do with that
Performance graphics those things never Mattered
You have to remember pokemon games have only been 3D since 2013 that’s pretty recent compared to other games like Zelda that have been 3D since the 90s and early 2000s so obviously they’re gonna be behind Mixed with the fact that They can’t delay the game because main console for only 5 years compared to Zelda since n64
The franchise was designed so that every aspect of it has a symbiotic relationship
The games can’t release without the anime the merch and the manga and the manga the merch and the anime can’t release without the games
And it’s about time you all understand that by now
They are doing their best trying to balance the games with the tcg and the anime
The Pokémon franchise is like a game of jenga
If you move one thing it all falls apart
They are doing the best they can sorry I’m the only one who appreciates that
Unless you want them to hypothetically release the Gen 10 anime and then wait till the anime gets to Gen 15 to release the Gen 10 games
they are still learning as they go so y’all gotta be patient and give them time to catch up
Their partnership with take two they’ll apply what they learn back into Pokémon so that’s good
You have to remember gamefreak are inexperienced with developing open world games so of course there will be some trial and error the more they work on and improve the game and do future games the better at it they’ll get
Rome wasn’t built in a day we need to be patient
Assuming we get more open world games
NOT TO MENTION ScarVi’s development was probably screwed up by the pandemic
Probably turned it upside down
And before u say just delay the game
They can’t delay the game
The franchise was designed so that every aspect of it has a symbiotic relationship
The games can’t release without the anime the merch and the manga and the manga the merch and the anime can’t release without the games
And it’s about time you all understand that by now
They are doing their best trying to balance the games with the tcg and the anime
The Pokémon franchise is like a game of jenga
If you move one thing it all falls apart
They are doing the best they can sorry I’m the only one who appreciates that
Unless you want them to hypothetically release the Gen 10 anime and then wait till the anime gets to Gen 15 to release the Gen 10 games
it’s not outdated it’s rebellious and nonconformist
The games aren’t rushed there is a schedule they abide by for symbiosis
The games and the anime and tcg are all beholden to each other
You can’t move one without ruining the groove
Unless you one gen 10 game to come out years after the gen 10 anime and have it spoiled
There is a symbiosis there
When you watch the anime it makes u wanna play the game and vice versa so they are companion pieces designed to be experienced together for a complete experience
They choose to live in their own bubble and be one of a kind and not imitate what everyone else does and they have my respect for that
the og games bugs are looked back on as charming
Give SV 20 years it’ll be the same
Running shmunning
@@madnessarcade7447 That's a lot of text to try and explain away the measurable decline in the franchise's quality.
@@PlatinumAltariathe franchise hasn’t declined ur just looking at it from a very narrow point of view
Also there’s more to the franchise than the anime alone
It’s a symbiotic experience the reason u feel it’s declining is because ur not simultaneously watching the anime playing the tcg collecting merch
So no it hasn’t declined ur just not participating in the series 100%
@@PlatinumAltariaI argued why it wasn’t it u actually read it
Pokémon isn’t trying to be a game it’s trying to be a lifestyle
Plz actually read what I said
Brilliant Diamond is the first Pokemon game I flat out didn't finish. DP was already one of my least favorite generations, and I felt like this remake felt like it added very little. Because the previous remakes used the art style of the then current generation games, they were able to stay faithful while flourishing out the world. FRLG for example just took advantage of that sweet color that the original games didn't have and just feels like the definitive way to enjoy Gen 1 as it feels it fixed all the many bugs of the original while even adding the Sevii Islands, making it a nice incentive to find Johto Pokemon in the Gen 3 art style, which you couldn't do as much in Ruby and Sapphire. ORAS pushed the original game to 3D and made brilliant use of expanding on the epicness and even creepiness of the original cutscenes such as when encountering Groudon or Kyogre. It felt like such a celebration and enhancement of the feelings I had about the mysterious nature of the game. BDSP just feels too similar to its original though... Like, there is almost no deviation it feels from even the placement of the map tiles. The original already was using 3D models for several things. And using 3D models for the characters (which obviously felt better as 2D sprites in the original with their art style for overworld) just has me wondering what the heck they were thinking. In Link's Awakening, that isn't just overworld 3D models, that is their actual form, so it makes sense the entire world conforms to that style. This, however, felt like everyone was literally weird, 3D chibi personas, except when in battle, rather than just a simple overworld representation, and this becomes far too clear when this game had more 3D camera views, slamming that idea harder into the player's mind.
In other words, BDSP's use of chibi 3D models for the overworld didn't feel like I was just looking at an overworld representation, it made me feel these are their ACTUAL shapes, in a world that didn't actually fully go through with the diorama look. I'd say Gen 6 did a better job of this as their overworld models still resemble actual human anatomy better, so the look isn't as drastic during the switch to cutscenes where we see their full size.
BDSP are an embarrassment, the solution to those gens was to polish their flaws to be up to the standards of later, not double down on their take
Bdsp is misunderstood it may not have had platinum content but it did add it’s own new stuff like expanded underground, updated qol, modern type chart, modern movepool, ramanas park etc and it’s got wholesome vibes
Also Ilca is more experienced now
It was loved by the mainstream casual audience
The more hardcore fans may not have liked it but they weren’t the target audience
The game was designed to be an approachable game for beginner players so they had to make it look as cute and as welcoming as possible hence the chibi appearance
Bdsp added more new content than platinum tho
It’s got the up to date type chart as well as the move pools
It completely overhauled the underground
It gave us the hardest elite four and champion out of any pokemon game
We got ramanas park
It’s got clothing customization as well
It removed the hassle of HMs
It’s way faster not slow anymore
How are all these new things not considered definitive
Sure platinum added its own stuff but to say bdsp didn’t add anything when it added a lot is pretty disingenuous
@@kirbyofthestarsfanI remember people during Gen 8 saying how much they missed the classic style and how they did not want a other game that looked like them
Careful what u wish for
I thought we all established that Nintendo biggest strength is that they’re the opposite of PlayStation and Xbox and they don’t prioritize graphics
Why does this lesson go out the window when it comes to pokemon?
The graphics do not matter
Pokémon is about the lore, the soundtrack, the story, the character designs, the messages and themes etc
All this hypocrisy is so exhausting
I enjoyed your point at the end, and I'd also like to add that I'd really enjoy it if games that WERE bad the first time around got more remakes. I understand, financially speaking, why that doesn't happen. Why waste money on a game that wasn't already successful and risk not making money a second time? But there are so many games that have so much missed potential. I'd find far more entertainment seeing a good concept previously executed poorly done better, than a good concept already executed well done again.
Honestly, I think another case for remakes is games that are clearly beloved later and appreciated but didn't sell well initially. It's better than choosing a bad game and then hoping it will sell better if remade. Think like Earthbound, a game that clearly has so many fans and passionate ones at that remaking the games as well as making games inspired by it. Mother 1 didn't come the U.S. officially until years later (and even then, it was lazily unmodified from its beta source). Mother 3 was going to be a game with a completely different art style but was limited by technology. Imagine bringing Mother 3 finally to the west but as it was imagined (with a clay-mation asthetic), unbound by the hardware limitations of the time. It was a game series that clearly a story to tell, so I feel it's actually a case where a remake could make sense, even a more faithful one.
I don't care how different a remake is compared to the original- as long as the og tile is preserved and available to play on modern hardware. Using a personal example, Demon's Souls Remake was an explosive hit, but as a fan of the original it wasn't for me. This sucks because the original is console locked to the PS3 and the Remake has essentially superseded it as the 'definitive' and *only* way to play the game (without owning a ps3).
Now look at Resident Evil 4. Yeah, the Remake changed a ton, but fans of the original are free to buy and play the game on literally EVERY console from the last decade and a half as well as PC.
I don't think they see a reason to remake a game if it's available already on current consoles
I've been binging your videos because I really like the content, just wanted to say your content is so cool! I can't wait to see more!
The way Nintendo manages their games and the way Game Freak does is completely separated.
Nintendo’s many teams usually operate independently from each other, and there isn’t like a company mandate to do remakes a certain way.
With Game Freak is specially more so. They are an independent studio from Nintendo and co-own Pokémon as a franchise with them, but are left to their own devices. PLUS, the BdSp remakes weren’t even made by them, rather DeNA, a mobile game focus developer.
The link’s awakening remake artstyle is beautiful idc you’re just wrong and I love how goofy link’s look especially in totk with the awakening tunic
I would love more of that style except more speed and animations to link’s movements more like a link between worlds
I don’t like the weird 8 directions limit lock on modern remakes it’s weird to not improve that.
Soo yeah I totally agree remakes shouldn’t keep old limitations just to stay “faithful” in that sense
Hoping your channel blows up
I think the diorama art style would’ve fit better with let’s go
I thought mario looked off being small and squashed but when the camera is over head and in battle then i started to think this looks good then it started to click cant wait for the remake of mario rpg
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Underated.
Something important about BDSP vs (for example) the HD remakes of the Wind Waker and Twilight Princess is that Pokemon remakes until BDSP were well known for essentially being the original game mixed with what the newest game was. ORAS is the best example of this because it even included mega evolution, and also added a bunch of full on extra content like the Eon Flute, new Megas exclusive to ORAS, the Delta Resort, and the Battle Resort, which while some people are upset that the Battle Frontier didn't make a return, I personally am ok with it because the standard Battle Facilities like the Battle Tower usually suck in my opinion and then it's a mixed bag from there, but the Battle Maison at least means you can do it with XY players and it's somehow better because you get 1 BP minimum every victory, meaning you don't have to win 7 in a row multiple times to help you get comp Pokemon which always sucked in any game. Also the Resort itself has one of the best daycare loops, and even then it's amazing because you could use it to get a Pokemon from level 1-100 completely AFK if you got your D-Pad left or Right stuck pressed overnight.
Although yeah I just stated an opinion that's highly controversial on accident because it's irrelevant to what I'm talking about, ORAS and HGSS and even Firered and Leafgreen have new content and areas exclusive to their areas that don't replace anything. The closest we got are stuff like the Grand Underground (which sucks and replaced the original Sinnoh Underground which I think is better if you have friends. Only if you have other Sinnoh DS friends) and the Pal Park replacement, which allowed you to catch legendary Pokemon from... Wait only gens 1-4 are available in BDSP? But ORAS was literally 1-5, and that's only because they wanted you to buy XY for the Kalos Legendary Pokemon.
Also the only version of Pokemon Contests that I've ever been a fan of are the ORAS ones because it's effortless to get into once you just have some berries. BDSP makes it a rhythm game without the Rhythm. And it blows. Hard
Edit: I literally paused the video to put my thoughts on it right before you covered it lmao so this is literally an in-depth understanding from a Pokemon fan who didn't like BDSP.
I thought we all established that Nintendo biggest strength is that they’re the opposite of PlayStation and Xbox and they don’t prioritize graphics
Why does this lesson go out the window when it comes to pokemon?
The graphics do not matter
Pokémon is about the lore, the soundtrack, the story, the character designs, the messages and themes etc
All this hypocrisy is so exhausting
@@madnessarcade7447 BDSP did much worse then just look off. Like at the time I was one of the people who were ok with it looking like that, wasn't great but wasn't bad either.
There's way more issues with BDSP then just the graphics. I said as much, a good example was the Pokemon contests. They weren't good remakes from a Pokemon fan perspective. Them looking bad is the obvious criticism, and that's low hanging fruit.
Also Nintendo doesn't look as good as PlayStation and Xbox? Breath of the Wild is a good standard visuals wise, if they aren't going for an art style. And if an art style is being attempted, it needs to work, and not fall under the uncanny valley
tbh i am excited for smrpg remake only cause it looks like its keeping to the original designs as closely as possible, hope its also uncensored from the japanese release, but i wouldnt hold my breath, also if they do a remake for B/W like they did for bdsp, im gonna be PISSED
SMRPG feels so special, it's so good that nintendo is allowing it to remain the quirky artstyle charm it had in 1996, after an era where the unique M&L and Paper Mario eventually started turning their artstyles more in-line with NSMB, which was a bummer
Reminder that Pokemon isn't Nintendo.
Great watch!
I personally *love* the art style of the remakes and nobody can tell me otherwise. I just felt that the lighting for some parts was unpolished. I just don't really get the "universal hate" for it... :P
Edit: Watching the rest of the video, I am on the camp of "I think faithful remakes are better" because I feel that trying to change way too much of the base game makes it a little bit of its own thing rather than a genuine remake. (Which is the reason I heavily dislike the FF7 remake)
its amazing how i can tell bro is using an emulator just based off the links awakening footage lol.
Oh, boy. A game boy game, a DS game, and a SNES game. Can't wait for a GBA game to join this
i agree, a lot of it is expectations. like, with pokemon, when every last remake really.. well, remade it in the style of the new, and made it bigger and better, too... when one comes out and it's just... the old one with a worse art style and an exp share you can't turn off... and it's $60. yeah, that's just bad.
honestly, if the art style were different, maybe i'd be singing a different tune. instead of awkward 3d models trying to copy the grid from the old spritework, it was like.. still 2d? new fancy pixel art with a buncha love put into it. that could be something.. actually good!
Bdsp is misunderstood it may not have had platinum content but it did add it’s own new stuff like expanded underground, updated qol, modern type chart, modern movepool, ramanas park etc and it’s got wholesome vibes
Also Ilca is more experienced now
It was loved by the mainstream casual audience
The more hardcore fans may not have liked it but they weren’t the target audience
The game was designed to be an approachable game for beginner players so they had to make it look as cute and as welcoming as possible hence the chibi appearance
Bdsp added more new content than platinum tho
It’s got the up to date type chart as well as the move pools
It completely overhauled the underground
It gave us the hardest elite four and champion out of any pokemon game
We got ramanas park
It’s got clothing customization as well
It removed the hassle of HMs
It’s way faster not slow anymore
How are all these new things not considered definitive
Sure platinum added its own stuff but to say bdsp didn’t add anything when it added a lot is pretty disingenuous
Cute isn’t worse
I've kinda come to appreciate faithful remakes as I've gotten older. Maybe it's the cynical side of me with a touch of nostalgia, but I'd rather have a game I already know is good get polished and put out with a couple extra goodies on a modern device, than to take the risk with an entirely new game that will likely fail with its ambitions, or with a sequel which probably isn't going to be faithful to the original much at all.
Often times sequels will be affected by a pressure to innovate, or cave to what's popular in the market right now. Either that or it gets stuck with some fresh new egotistical dev who wants to "make the franchise their own" by tossing out a lot of what made the original they're making a sequel to cool and popular in the first place. New games are always a risk, and have to be dealt with on a case by case basis to figure out if they're good and worth playing or not.
Sometimes it's nice to just have a solid take on already tread ground with a game you already know is good. The uncertainty and risk with that is just completely minimal, and it drives conversations back to an older era of gaming, with ideas that have laid dormant for decades suddenly piquing people's interest again.
Diamond and perl was a dud
Bdsp is misunderstood it may not have had platinum content but it did add it’s own new stuff like expanded underground, updated qol, modern type chart, modern movepool, ramanas park etc and it’s got wholesome vibes
Also Ilca is more experienced now
It was loved by the mainstream casual audience
The more hardcore fans may not have liked it but they weren’t the target audience
The game was designed to be an approachable game for beginner players so they had to make it look as cute and as welcoming as possible hence the chibi appearance
Bdsp added more new content than platinum tho
It’s got the up to date type chart as well as the move pools
It completely overhauled the underground
It gave us the hardest elite four and champion out of any pokemon game
We got ramanas park
It’s got clothing customization as well
It removed the hassle of HMs
It’s way faster not slow anymore
How are all these new things not considered definitive
Sure platinum added its own stuff but to say bdsp didn’t add anything when it added a lot is pretty disingenuous
I remember during Gen 8 people were like
I miss the classic style I hate the swsh n64 trees I don’t want another game like this
Careful what u wish for
BDSP aren't faithful as they contain the *lies* from sword & shield about Leafstones on Eevees and Thunderstones on magnetic field evolution Pokémon.
How are those lies
Great vid!
I thought we all established that Nintendo biggest strength is that they’re the opposite of PlayStation and Xbox and they don’t prioritize graphics
Why does this lesson go out the window when it comes to pokemon?
The graphics do not matter
Pokémon is about the lore, the soundtrack, the story, the character designs, the messages and themes etc
All this hypocrisy is so exhausting
Fire vid even tho i havent watched yet
edit: ok just watched bdsp section and i think that the artstyle is just kinda sad when compared to things like links awakening and mario rpg's remake and i dont know why its just like trying to be more realistic for the lighting while being more toy and fantasy like for the models and stuff. also i very much agree with the point of the games just being worse than the old ones which is really sad imo (as someone who has never played pokemon diamond pearl or platinum and really liked Sword and Shield especially for the artstyle)
Why is this in Bad Takes? You had made some great points while respecting and acknowledging outside point of views. Give yourself so more credit lol, your videos are great. keep up the good work.
it's called chibi style
Yeah... And Pokemon kinda used it for 6 generations in a row, so I never understood why Diamond and Pearl remakes using it was such a big controversial thing.
I truly don't understand what people dislike about BDSP.
Nintendo optimized the game in every way while staying true to the original games.
BDSP's champion fight is actually a challenge this time, especially the rematches.
When I played Platinum I thought the distortion world was lazy filler, because it is a one time place with puzzles, a trainer battle and a boss.
And when I beat the champion in that game, I was done.
In BDSP however, I played well beyond the elite 4 and discovered some post game stuff, because the game stayed fun.
Something the originals can't be compared with.
Also, I just like a Pokémon game where I can complete the dex, still not possible but very close.
maybe this is going to get me roasted, but considering the subject matter of the video maybe this is the best place to say this. I think that metroid prime remastered looks both too clean and too kiddy in a werid way. granted the trailers give me more of that vibe and actaully playing does make me feel less like this. i'm thrilled about it's existance for sure. it's just well there's nitpicks. the charge beam looks werid and having to auto fire a few times like hunters before the charge kicks in feels cheap. I wish they could let you turn that off.
This is my opinion
~Mario RPG
Hype ×1000
They don't need to do much because this Game is already a Super🔥🐐
Actually there are more chances that whatever they try to do could backfire instead
~The Legend of Zelda
I am a Neutral Stance toward the Graphic, TLoZ has never been consistent with it
It's Good they tried to add something like the Dungeon Maker
~Pokemon
I am neutral about it too & even if Pokémon changed Graphic too, but it was more It being Upgraded than being Inconsistent
I don't even remember what they added to the game
I only know they removed 2 Feature (that I personally liked & wanted to be expanded upon not removed)
Soooo
Mario = This is why it is the Goat!!! The Goat!!!
TLoZ = I mean it isn't Bad but...
Pokémon = This is the Biggest Piece of.... (Pokémon Let's Go Flashbacks)
The Second Biggest Piece of 🐕💩 I have ever seen
Bdsp is misunderstood it may not have had platinum content but it did add it’s own new stuff like expanded underground, updated qol, modern type chart, modern movepool, ramanas park etc and it’s got wholesome vibes
Also Ilca is more experienced now
It was loved by the mainstream casual audience
The more hardcore fans may not have liked it but they weren’t the target audience
The game was designed to be an approachable game for beginner players so they had to make it look as cute and as welcoming as possible hence the chibi appearance
Bdsp added more new content than platinum tho
It’s got the up to date type chart as well as the move pools
It completely overhauled the underground
It gave us the hardest elite four and champion out of any pokemon game
We got ramanas park
It’s got clothing customization as well
It removed the hassle of HMs
It’s way faster not slow anymore
How are all these new things not considered definitive
Sure platinum added its own stuff but to say bdsp didn’t add anything when it added a lot is pretty disingenuous
I actually love Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Shiny Pearl
I never get the point of remakes and ports. It increases the feel that past is better than modern. We have emulator! They should focus on creating new games! We don't ask for remake and ports!
Let the past as it is!
Nah, I grew up with SMRPG and I share your initial thoughts on the matter. The UI is also absolute trash.
The color choices are always going to be something that's bothersome, as they had to be very nitpicky and precise with palettes under color restrictions way back when. I just don't jive with the overly poppy and bright-washy colors compared to the beautiful darker contrasts in the original. I think some people were so desperate for a remake they're just happy it exists at all, lol
also not too keen on some of the spell effects. Even as a matter of taste thing, seeing such a wimpy Water Blast from Yaridovich when the OG pops geysers all over the screen into an explosion is pretty disappointing. I'm sure they'll also un-obfuscate some of the tricky things, like Grate Guy's Casino(good luck finding this in the original without a guide lololol) which isn't necessarily bad.
It's just *meh* for me, but isn't a total travesty.
Remakes are not unnecessary, except you can still buy and play the original games legally, which is in fakt not posible in the most cases. You can not buy Super Mario RPG for the SNES anymore. Last time was on the Mini SNES and it was only a limited product and before that it was on the Wii-Shop.
What I don't understand are people, that think about old games everyone could already buy and play every old game. So they spoil things from the game or argument against remakes of old games. Some 15 years old players today maybe never heared about Mario RPG before or could never played Links Awakening.
I personal prefer re-release or ports of old games something what Nightdive Studios did with Turok, Shadowman or even Doom 64. I like to see and fell how they played, but understand that some prefer modern takes of old games to make them more enjoyable for them.
Also the music of Animal Village in the Link's Awakening Remake sucks in comparison of the original GB version.