I have the last plasma model that Samsung made and everytime I have visitors, they are amazed at the color and resolution. When I tell them its a plasma, they hit the floor. Smartest move I made.
I have 3 2014 Samsung BF series plasmas. A 51" F4500, an F5300, and a 60" F5300. Also have 2 2013 F4500 models, picture is just as good but slightly more input lag than the 2014s.
I bought a 50 inch LG plasma in 2009 and it’s not even 1080p but the image is fantastic. Most HD streams I watch, Netflix, TH-cam etc are really low bit depth so I think the colour and lower res actually helps the image quality. This clearly can not be proven but its just a fantastic image. When I go to friends houses with 70 inch oled 4K screens I just want to gauge my eyeballs out. I’m sure a 4K to 4K comparison on both screens would show the improved clarity but I’ve never seen them play anything above 1080 and usually a 1080 stream which on that big of a screen with the upscaling you can see the bit depth causing noise and movement artefacts. Plasma all the way. The only downside is the need to shut the curtains to be able to see the screen without just seeing your reflection.
My plasma just died. I’m buying another one second hand, moving From a 2009 plasma to a 2014 Panasonic VT60 screen I’m excited to pick it up next week. I’m gonna be a plasma lifer hahaha until I get an OLED
@@itsalesconsultant They made some fine TVs... if I didnt have my last gen kuros I would have gone for the Panasonic.. vt65 or zt.. Panasonic getting involved in oled was the reason I finally went 4khdr
I still use my Panasonic Viera 42" back from 2011 as my only TV. Use it probably 8h or more a day for different activities like movie watching, music playing (connected to a home theater), gaming, 3D rendering as preview screen. Plugged a Chromecast to it and feels like I won't change it until it dies when it reaches its 100,000 hours life cycle.
In 2011, we were deciding between a Plasma and an LCD TV to replace out aging 2005 CRT. We went for the LCD which, at 1080p resolution, still works great today! Even though it's ten years old, it works fantastically.
Still rocking a 50 panasonic for a computer monitor as I type right now and a 60 Samsung Plasma as our main TV. About to get another 50 plasama for a 2nd computer.
I got a 2011 year model 42 inch Panasonic Viera plasma. Looks great on old Snes all the way up to my Xbox Series S. Paid $150 for it 6 years ago. Great value for my money. Setting let me customize colours. I play on vivid mode. Got a 5 port HDMI splitter on it as well. So much value coming from this tv. Very happy with it.
Plasmas tend to not suffer from response time because they update at 600 times per second, not to confuse you with 600hz, it's still 60hz. LCDs, OLEDs and QLEDs suffer from a response time of 20ms OR MORE. My plasma has around 5-10ms. While my LCD TV has about 15-20ms, and it's a huge difference going from that to this.
dude. modern ips panels have response times of 1ms or less and 2-5 ms or less of input lag. 20ms is some shitty old cheap lcd tv froom like 2006. right now LED MONITORS haave far beter refresh rate
@@davidt8087 I still see high end OLEs and Qleds that ghost to me. I dont' care what you say about refresh rate. My plasma's don't do that granted picture quality is night and day.
@@davidt8087 The best samsung lcd q90r display have only 5-9ms at best and that's for transitions for 20-80% not 0-100 or even g2g. Plasma's like Panasonics or Pioneers Elite lineup flagships have 3000hz FFD which give them sub millisecond response time from any grayscale range although with 2-4ms of phosphor decay.
David T that's the marketing hype noob, gtg stuff not the actual response time of those ugly ips panel, dirty glow, 700-800:1 pathetic contrast ratio..so ugly
I've got an older 2005 Panasonic Plasma on my wall in the gaming room, TH-42PV500B, and for it's lower resolution of 1024x768, it still has amazing rich colors and deep blacks, and the responsiveness of it is great. Plus all my older consoles look much better on this than they do on OLED or LCD.
I saw a video saying OLED was better but to me the Plasma looked more natural and I prefer that look despite the fact the blacks ain't as dark as OLED. Old school stuff seems to be where Plasma shines.
@@realamericannegro977 The lower resolution of the panel works better for old games consoles as the tv doesn't have to scale the image as much as it would with a 1080p or 4k panel.
Yo también tengo un plasma 3D Samsung series 490 y es mi niña consentida...en las demás habitaciones hay un OLED y un Qled 4k y a pesar de ser 1080p sus colores y contrastes son espectaculares
Love my 58" 2009 Panasonic plasma. Guests constantly complement the picture quality... that said, it has horrible glare (like looking in a mirror) under certain conditions, which drives me crazy at times.
I m. Still using a Sony plasma. TV one of the first models... It has a burn in but it is not noticeable..... We bought it back in 2004.. It is 32'' and of course has very big Bezels but for its times it was really high end... Still enjoying it
I have a 60" pioneer 141FD I just took it out of the box last summer, hung it on the wall.... and still have not hooked it up..... yet. Things are looking up though, I just bought a channel master out board tuner and a Denon 3700 AVR. So within the next month, I should have it up and running. I know how good the picture is, having seen its performance capabilities in the high end audio/video store where I purchased it. Can't wait!!!
My 60" Samsung Plasma TV that I bought in 2011 still works fine. It unfortunately has a little problem with the display on the leftmost side. I just realized that it was a plasma TV a few weeks ago even though I had it for 10 years and kept everything it came with in the box.
Almost got rid of my 2007 Panasonic Viera but kept it as a spare room tv when getting a mid- high end QLED Samsung for the main room. I compare them like this, the Plasma is like a Diamond Needle Turntable and the QLED is a flawless CD Player the nuances of the softer glow of the Panasonic compared to the ultra crisp vivid of the Samsung makes movies give very different viewing experiences depending on the movie. For me I prefer viewing most 20th Century movies on the plasma and if it's really new shows or super special effects movie the Samsung is better.
I have owned 4 Plasma TV's and still have 2 that are in the bedrooms. They are great tv's even to this day. My main TV is a Panasonic OLED and i love it but i will still always love Plasma's.
Dude, any OLED is leaps and bounds better than every plasma, ever made, by any measurement. Heck, I'd go as far to say Vizio's P series and TCLs 6 series TVs are better than any plasma ever made, in every area, except off angle viewing and 480p upscaling. This is coming from a former video calibrator who spent hundreds of hours with Pioneer Elite Kuros and owned a Samsung E7000 series plasma up until 6 months ago. I still love Plasma, but its no where near the best display tech today. That $5000 50" Pioneer Elite Kuro is bested today by a 50" LED for $500.
@@Red05x Proclaiming that I was a video calibrator just provides context, and possibly validity, to my statement. Any problem you have with that lies solely with YOU.
@@Cakebattered Mister, I DON'T have a problem with that, is that I really can't imagine a former Calibrator saying that. Just Motion Resolution, EVERY LCD, LED or OLED HDTV 60HZ has only 300 lines. And to ANY that reads this, please, try a DVD (yes, a DVD!) with Component Cables on a CRT (calibrated) and an UHD 4K HDR Blu-ray on a 4K HDR LCD, LED, OLED and the DVD will look better, except for CGI pictures. No only Motion Resolution, but colors. The Colors on OLED 4K TVs aren't as good as a Plasma TV or CRT TV. For example, my B7 is loosing (just a little) uniformity on the screen. It has less than two years and starting (again, just a bit) to fail... unacceptable! Maybe you did a LOT of calibrations and I'm sure you're a very good calibrator BUT, there is NO WAY any 4K OLED HDR TV could look better than any 2010 - 2013 Plasma HDTV (showing video with movement) no matter the content: Video Games, Movies, HDR Movies, Sports, Cartoons, news, even Retro Consoles. BOTH TVs (Plasma and OLED) are "crappy" to show PS2 Content but at least, it doesn't look as bad on my Plasma as on my OLED. The only... ONLY way that the OLED B7 looks better than my Plasma is on Still pictures and PC content while the screen is showing still content (MY GT25 doesn't have Chroma 4:4:4 so, some tiny letters look a little blurry). My comment was that, a comment. I apologize if disturbed you in any way. I can only dream (by now) with a VT60 or a ZT60 or Panasonic to Re-release again Plasma Technology. By now, I enjoy my Viera GT25. But, at least I have one of the fastest Viera Plasma HDTV ever released (15ms Input LAG).
Love my Panasonic Vierra 50" 1080i Plasma bought in 2009. The image quality is out of this world. I use to sell TV's at Best Buy from 2006-2010. The 1080i Panasonic Plasma always looked better to my eyes than any 1080p we use to sell. I can play 4K and 8K videos on it and damn it looks stunning. It has been my main reason not to buy 4K or 8K TV yet. I own over 1000 DVDs and they all look stunning. No need to buy Bluray's. DVDs look like Bluray on it. DVDs look crap on LCDs that's why they brought Bluray to support it. VHS, Laser Disc, DVDs looked stunning on CRT and Plasma. Bluray came out to push LCD and LED TV sales pure marketing. Watch any classic movie, or ones in Technicolor, painting like colors such as The Ten Commandments, Ben-Hur, Or all classic War movies, the razor sharp film grain and detail is simply stunning and treat for my eyes. LCD, LED, OLED, QLED are simply cash grabs!!! Plasma are gone just like CRT, "All good things come to an end". People who loved CRT will always love Plasma. Plasma lives forever!!!!!
I have the 720p version of this TV and I prefer it to the 4k led set I have in my living room. The colors still amaze me and the resolution actually looks way better than 720p. I think plasmas have a bit of anti aliasing and that makes the picture more defined. Idk maybe it's just me.
It s technology behind plasmas that will give best picture accuracy because of phosphorous light diodes against led artificial light which makes dull colors, plus plasma have better motion and SDR content can t be beaten by led technology, pioneer kuro 500 series and panasonic last gen st vt zt are still top ib terms of picture quality
I own two Plasma TVs, a 720p LG 50" HDTV from 2011 (Model 50pt350) and a 480p Panasonic 42" EDTV from 2005 (Model TH-42PD50U) both of which are still serving me quite well, and I honestly wouldn't trade either of them for a modern LCD tv because I'm super into Guitar Hero and I love the low input lag
@quatz1981 not sure how great it was for DVDs, but it was amazing for ps2 and og xbox through component, unfortunately it developed an issue with purple stuck pixels
Last August I bought a 2007 Panasonic Viera TH-42PV70MT 1080p plasma, originally priced at $2,000, for only $100! The seller even told me that it's the second best to Pioneer Kuro in terms of blacks! To me, the picture just looks like a CRT, and I really love it! Gorgeous! I,m never gonna give it up! I can only laugh at the cheap LEDs in my neighborhood and those LCDs clogging up the repair shops after just a few months of use! And Don,t even get me started with QLED! For me, it,s HD CRT, CRT projection, plasma, IPS LED, OLED or nothing!!!
My new to me Panasonic 42” plasma just arrived today and damn it’s beautiful. I replaced a 27” 144hz TN panel that is HDR capable and runs at 1440p native. I can honestly say that I miss the crispness of the TN panel. The plasma runs at 1080p native and sitting 2-3 feet away from it is just magical when it comes to the natural looking colors and contrast ratio. Also, it’s a lot less bright and the eye strain feels a lot less. I think even with a lower brightness that it seems even nicer to look at. I’m a happy panda!
how is the default speakers on tv with panasonic? they're amazing at making camera lenses and speakers, they're in cooperation with university of tokyo making new stuff all the time.
Everyone seems to say that, but the one I have only weighs about 50 pounds and my laptop gets way hotter to the touch than this TV ever has. I know earlier plasma TVs had cooling fans and heatsinks but if mine is anything to go by it would seem the issue of heat was largely solved in the later years.
@@griffensander The later ones probably were improved quite a bit. But most new 50" lcd/led TV's are under 25lbs, and used quite a bit less power. Hopefully yours serves you well, and unless you go OLED you won't get a better picture imo.
@@Raiders-wm5kb That's one of the best plasmas Samsung ever made, but the people who spend a lot on TV's usually don't buy 10 year old plasmas so it probably isn't worth more than $300. There's a Kuro Pro 151-FD (basically the best plasma ever made) that's been on my local Craiglist for $400 for 2 months now and still hasn't sold.
@@calvinkulit In fairness the LCD TVs I owned were earlier models and not QLED or today's higher end LCDs with local dimming. But for me it's all about contrast and emissive technologies are still King in this regard.
@@TrevorHamberger I really love plasma tv sets but now that I got an LG OLED I do not miss them anymore. LG finally made something to fill the void. The model I have is the 55E7P. Crazy thing is I bought it when it was new for $5000. I know they got cheaper now but I don't regret anything because the machine is still just as awesome as when I bought it. Perfect blacks and better colors than a plasma tv with 4K resolution. If you ever want something new to fill the plasma tv void you can trust in an LG OLED TV and they are cheaper now haha.
@@TrevorHamberger Yeah I kind of regret buying it when it was brand new a few years ago. Well it was an impulse purchase see I had this Panasonic Plasma TV that I would never replace finally die on me after 10 years of use and quickly wanted to fill the void. I was at a Best Buy and fell in love with OLED. I know I feel stupid too for paying that much.
@@cemsengul16 lol well at least you're really happy with the tv. I myself don't care too much about picture quality. I just don't want some piece of crap LCD to look at and I'm cheap as hell and buy everything used except underwear and socks (i still have really nice stuff though) so I went with a plasma. I will keep your OLED suggestions in mind for when these plasmas die in maybe 20 years ;)
I was looking to upgrade my 55” x930e to something larger. After some research I took a risk and bought a used Samsung 64F8500 for $200 on CL. Technically the Samsung is a big downgrade but my eyes see something different. The black level, shadow detail, viewing angles, motion handling, and the contrast of the Samsung bested my Sony.
Technically is just a Marketing try to tell us that the new tech is better but is NOT. Plasma TV's are a much better tech than new displays (even OLED 4K or 8K).
@@Red05x "even oled" LOL!! keep telling yourself that. You bring your Plasma 1080p and I'll bring my oled 4k with hdr and then we'll compare which display produces better picture quality not to mention how much plasma's consume electricity and the amount of heat they radiate.
@@swifty1969 I don't need your OLED 4K, Man. I have mine (OLED B7) and see OLED displays quality EVERY DAY. Now, you need to check for a Plasma Display (Panasonic is suggested) and see it by yourself.
@@Red05x oh cool! B8 here. I didn't like Plasma's even back then, I'm sensitive to its flickering. Besides, you can never use plasma tv's as a computer monitor....no sireeee.
@@swifty1969 In that regard, you are right. Plasma Displays are not the best option to use as a Computer Monitor. Nevertheless, Picture Quality on a Plasma Display is a LOT better than all the others. "Sample and Hold" Displays are very, VERY BAD for Motion Resolution.
After my main Toshiba LED died two weeks out of the warranty period, someone offered me a free 2008 50" Panasonic Viera and I've been a convert to the Plasma side ever since. Blacks are deep and colours rich; motion blur is nonexistent. I now also have Vieras in my bedroom and basement, and recently paid £20 for a 2010 42" model for my partner who loves it 😀 If you're only watching SD and HD content there is no point in forking out a thousand pounds for OLED, an old plasma will do everything you want (bar smart functions, but a Chromecast or Firestick is cheap and upgradeable) and at a tiny fraction of the price.
So true. Found a Pioneer lx-6090h 9th gen 60" Plasma 6km away from me for 50€. Getting it on friday, iam so stoked. But 524w power draw is not so great, but i will only use it on the weekend for watching movies with friends :) Great video btw.
My 2006 plasma just blew a large capacitor last week, sounded like a bomb went off. It jolted it pretty good and caused instant and permanent burn in on half the screen. Loved it for games and movies, weighed about 80lbs though. I wish modern sets had the I/O the old plasmas typically came with.
I'm willing give up my crt tv for plasma since I've come to realize my obsession has turned absurd (a monitor is enough). What i like in crt the most is vibrant colors and no backlight so plasma has to be a good trade off (for now). However, what i find annoying in second market is that a lot of them are missing a stand.
I don't know what CRT TV you have but I say keep it with you and try to get the Plasma too. I have a SONY KV-21FS150 and a Panasonic Plasma Viera TC-P42GT25X. Believe Me, you will enjoy the Plasma and the CRT TV.
@John Hooper Very interesting... HD Ready Plasmas are more common where I live. I guess find one won't be difficult. What about the colors? Maybe it's my amateur level but i just CAN'T reproduce the beautiful colors of the CRT TV on my Plasma GT25. Also, for some reason, the contrast I believe is the one thing I don't know if is o.k or not. I have my Plasma on 69 of 100 but don't know if is the correct level.
@John Hooper How could I know what contrast level is the correct? I have a picture with 0 to 16 gray levels and I use it to select brightness but for contrast I don't know how... If I use a Blu-ray or something, sometimes the calibration is different from one disc to another... any suggestions for the GT25?
Still using my 60'' Kuro it is superb for films and amazing for gaming with no retention in sight. MicroLED will be the tech i by when the time comes.. Depends how long the Kuro lasts!
@@snark567 The keyword is "sample and hold" - a plasma doesn't do that, it pulses, so you get less to no motion blur even at 60Hz. The only reason LCDs and OLEDs are pushing higher refresh rates is to combat motion blur, a problem that doesn't even exist on CRT and Plasma.
Still love the kuro.. got one in front room for our main display and previously had a krp500 then 600 in my den.. all of them were voltage tweaked and the 600 although more impact was not as dark as the 500.. Have a Panasonic oled in my den for over a yr and good blurays look a bit better but grainy ones are more forgiving on the kuro.. however 4khdr is a different level with more detail etc alot brighter but its 9yrs newer than my front room kuro and build quality is not on the same level.. the OLED is just used for blurays and has a very plasma look but the kuro is a great all rounder. . TV shows, films sports..damn wish pioneer were still doing TVs.. only imagine what they could have done now.. great vid too by the way.. 👍
@@kennethwallace21 Yes mate.. that's all I use mine for had it about a yr and bit have the Panasonic ez952.. cinematic like the kuro but brighter and more detailed.. it was the 4khdr that made me buy one..
Man I used to frequent those old Pioneer Plasma monitor in my dad's old work office. Never got to test one but I bet they'd look great. I still remembered how much it radiates heat in an already warm room I can feel the Samsung Plasma warmth 3 feet away from me I think it will work really well in a cooler climate as a weak heater. It advantages over today's LCD and OLED sets are big surprises to me saves big bucks and get one of these warm beasts in this economy just makes more sense.
For sure John Hooper, If pioneer hadnt closed down their plasma section we would long long ago have had hdr, 4k with the best processing and Picture quality abilities. Heck after the last sets ( KRP ) they showed the World a plasma that was as thin as oled with 0 blacks. But luckily the 50inch versions of the KRP's can be tweaked to have 0mll, thats oled blacks but with brutal contrast ratios and higher micro contrast which makes it look like its hdr.
@Sara Valestein, Yup Oled still has issues I dont like. But make no mistake a new 2019 high-end model will do the job for most of us. And they will only get better, but I still would not swap my Pio to an Oled. Motion issues alone will deter me away.
My best bro has a Plasma tv. He's been using it since good ones were released. It looks amazing even stiull! Lively colors and great blacks. Bright too. I always am surprised when I see it.
My 60" 8500 Samsung plans from 2013 if still kicking. It's our secondary TV now, main is OLED. We love the wide viewing angles and colors. Of both techs.
I have a high end Zenith model from around 2009 and it is the best tv I could ask for. It has all the inputs I could ever want in a display and the picture is the best imho despite there being a 4K tv in the living room. I can’t tell when I’m looking at a display that is 4K with hdr enabled and a 1080p image on my plasma, to me it’s that good.
They killed plasma not because of Technology but because they cost more to make therefore there is less profit. I also wanted to add that the power consumption is a lot higher in Plasma. In green energy consumption they wouldn't keep up.
I have a main Hisense Oled TV, an entertainment Sony LCD TV that was 9 years old but it died one week ago so I temporarily replaced it with my spare Samsung Plasma from 2007. Crazy how good the picture quality still is on this 15 years old HD only TV :-P I like Samsung and LG plasma's that were made before 2010 cuzz later 2010+ models had big panel problems. The best plasmas in my opinion were made by Pioneer and Panasonic nothing can beat those exotic models :-D
LCDs with TN panels have to use dithering to increase their perceived color depth from 6-bits per channel (18-bits per pixel) to 8-bits per channel (24-bits per pixel).
That’s why people in the 90s also hate on LCD screen. TN should be continued by now even IPS monitor got 144hz now. Most people will also prefer using a desktop pc over laptop because of CRT monitor while laptop got a TN with STN which have the worst motion blur ever compare to TFT screen on modern LCD.
I'm picking up a used Pioneer Kuro 5090H for 50€ tomorrow, I'm so pumped! It'll be replacing my 2013 low budget LG LCD, meaning I'm expecting a massive improvement in picture quality. Only issue is gonna be bringing it upstairs... 33Kg, give or take!
@@Eriksvensson4231 still in service! If you're fine with 1080p, quality is unparalleled. Mine suffered from some red tint, had to change a few settings in the service menu, you can find tutorials online for such things, all you need is a smartphone with an IR emitter, or a harmony remote!
@@ismiismael extremely good. Not measured mind you, but I use it to play wipeout hd/fury on ps3 on it sometimes and its better when compared to any other TV I've ever tried. It can, however, exhibit ghosting on fast moving scenes at lower brightness.
Since I'm here over two years later: still the best deal I ever got on used electronics anything. No burn-in after two years, no issues to report and great quality. Expect lower brightness when compared to modern LCDs and especially OLEDs, menus are also sluggish at times, but other than that, it's perfect. In a dark room it is absolutely jaw-dropping.
Still rocking my two plasmas a 60st60a and a 50st50a but I’ve had my share of kuros and just sold an lx609a to a friend and I just picked up a Sony 55xbr45 aka 55xbr8 fald for peanuts iirc the original owner paid 7k for it.
I got a 51 inch Plasma Samsung for free. I does have some burn in, but as long as the contrast is set to 60-70, it's not visible. I was not sure if I should take it, but I'm happy I did. The actual resolution is 1024x768 according to Samsung (it's stretched), but it supports 1080p. A great tv that has more to offer than what the average user really needs And yes, the remote control layout is pretty bad, going around the menus is pretty, annoying
KRP-500M is the best of all time. I just got one with only 5k hours for $500. It has subjectively invisible(and unmeasurable with my i1 display pro, reading as .000 nits) black levels, and extremely low input lag. It matches oleds for 1080p sdr, except it has natively perfect motion because it's a plasma, not a sample and hold display. Also way cheaper! Cheers! These deals won't be around for long, so grab them while they're cheap guys. The state of the plasma market right now is similar to what CRT prices were in 2012, and now everyone is wishing they got a bvm back then. People will say the same thing about high end plasmas when they inevitably shoot up in price due to nostalgia and diminishing supply
The information is freely available at patrik gardewall's youtube channel. He is not infallible but his voltage tweak guide is. Tweaking a krp-500m(or 101fd) is easier than on any other kuro. You can just follow his guide here th-cam.com/video/KB4zziEIrdg/w-d-xo.html. Unlike other reset guides this is extremely simple, consisting only of entering commands over rs-232c to usb(or ethernet cable as he suggests) with kuro command or a similar program. His commands set your voltages and ABL values to a near optimal value for every specimen. This is achievable due to the extremely low manufacturing tolerances of the krp-500m/101fd. Almost every unit is exactly the same as the next if hours are the same. Just follow his guide slowly and carefully and do quick-reset every once in a while
This procedure is 90% perfect for any specimen, but if you want complete perfection you will want to do your own fine tuning voltage tweaks and grayscale/white balance adjustment after applying those as a baseline. I myself did not need to, even my saturations are very very close to perfect. The only issue that arose after reset was a bit of black lag(black pixels sometimes popping up randomly in motion) but it only happens in isolated situations and disappears quickly, very minor. I have adjusted this out on a 6010fd before and I might do that down the road after my next quick reset but for now it is not a priority. Just enjoying it. My gains were from .011-.009 nit blacks to zero(unmeasurable with my meter and invisible to the eye, so effectively zero) and much higher brightness with clean white due to the commands maxing out ABL(safe maximum is 200 on these).
Make sure you are using this guide with the krp-500m/101fd only, as using it with any other kuro will not be correct. 50 inchers in general are pretty straightforward but still take experimental adjustments to get optimal voltages, while 60 inchers are only barely worth resetting. It is quite the ordeal to find a sweet spot on 60 inch kuros
I've still got my 50 inch Panasonic VT20, bought in either 2009 or 2010, every bit of content I play on it still looks amazing. I've never had any issues of Burn-in, games have very snappy responsiveness and the picture is awesome. It's only the draw of next gen gaming and the lack of HDR that makes me want something new. Also the lack of proper smart features is a bit of a bummer, but I use a Chromecast with my phone for easy streaming of TH-cam and other Apps to my TV. Shame Panasonic or another company couldn't have made Plasmas lighter, capable of higher resolutions than 1080p at reasonable sized. I believe the limits were basically reached and high resolutions required massive sizes to make a true 4K Plasma.
The limit was cell size. Smaller cells emit less light and the cells would be so small with a 4k resolution it wouldn't have been usable in daylight unless the TV was huge.
@@griffensander So why not make huge ass plasma's? I would be game for a 90" plasma that was a little more energy efficient or lets say as energy efficient as an older plasma that was in the 4-5K range.
@@PermacultureLongboarder As you pointed out, Plasmas are a lot more complicated and expensive to manufacture. Plasma was also limited to the TV form factor, whereas OLED can be used in everything from a 100" TV to a 1" curved watch face, and with that in mind it makes little sense to keep two separate manufacturing processes in use when Plasma has so few advantages over OLED. Plasma's only real advantage (aside from price these days) is that it's a refresh-type display whereas OLED is sample-and-hold and, for the most part, that only makes a difference when gaming.
I just picked up a Zenith 42" plasma from Goodwill for $30! It's 768p and probably not the best, but I'm so stoked that I have one finally. I've got 5 CRTs both SD and HD and I've always been curious about plasmas.
Watching on my Panasonic plasma that I've had for the past 10 years and was just browsing videos looking to upgrade...don't think I'll bother for a few more years though. OLED TV's are still a bit pricey for my liking. The only thing that annoys me though is juttering with panning shots on my plasma.
I just bought a 75 inch Samsung basic lcd not oled I was playing my games and started to get burn in on my panasonic plasma but it's cleared up now after 3 days as sad as it is I'm keeping it forever I've got so attached to it I'll just put it in the bedroom for films.
I still have my 42inch Panasonic from 2014 it now my bedroom tv and I have an OLED in the living room. Love the picture quality and blacks plus it has 3D so now I can still watch 3D I. Bedroom but have HDR in living room
Samsung f8500 amazing tv friends that visit say the picture is amazing which it is. One time someone said to me its the best picture hes ever seen then I said it was a plasma and he said oh I dont like plasma lol you just said it was the best.
I picked up a 42 inch Samsung plasma TV from 2004 no burn in at all and the external speakers sound great colors are perfect only downside no HDMI but it has component for HD Content only supports 480p,480i,720p,1080i but I can look past that
So i guess i did alright buying a kuro elite pro 151 FD 60 inch brand new 4000 in 2009, made feb 2009 sticker, looks the same on 19 hours a day and will last 40 years wow! Made in the usa with mostly usa parts. I had a tv guy come here to fix my LG lmxs30776s refrigerant in fridge they repair all tvs at first i thought i was a little embarrassed having an older tv he couldn’t stop looking at my tv, asked him which new tv i outta get told me i shouldn’t get any new keep what i got
i nearly shit my pants when i saw sauerbraten gameplay. what a precious gem of a game, absolutely floored to see it get... any representation at all. cheers
Too bad they cut the development of Plasmas. Always loved Panasonic Vieras especially with the 3D Options. The refresh rate for these things and the colours. Always wished I had one lol.
Great video! I currently own a Panasonic VT65B and absolutely love it, though the heat the thing gives off can warm a room haha! Do you think it’s worth me upgrading it to a 4K HDR set soon? I’m thinking the only real upgrade would be a top spec OLED but not sure? It’s a shame all TV Manufacturers have dropped 3D support, I actually love it on my VT!
Thank you! There may be some QLED tv's that are "better" in some ways (like maximum brightness) than our plasmas, but personally I wouldn't upgrade to anything but an OLED and with MicroLED on the horizon it may only be a few years until OLEDs start hitting the used market for cheap. I plan to ride out my plasma until that happens.
If you watch movies, shows and don't game a lot yes go for Oled, they got really "cheaper" now and for around $1000 you can get regulary a nice 55" one like LG C1 for an example. For the main TV I can't go back to a regular LCD anymore it's just to good of an viewing experience and a pleasure. For entertainment and gaming I use LCD panels cuzz it's just the best combo in my opinion :-) I'm also not throwing away my Plasma cuzz it's still a nice spare TV,
funny i used my lg plasma hooked into a pc with the task bar at the bottom most of the time and sites like youtube with borders n stuff and never had a hint of burn in even after years of use. i just got rid of it because its not asthetically pleasing anymore, to big n bulky with thick bezels it just looks ancient. man if they brought out a new plasma with tiny bezels and modern features i'd buy it without hesitation
I honest to God had no idea they stopped making plasma! I've had no reason to upgrade in the last 8 years as my 59" Samsung D8000 plasma leaves nothing to be desired. I've seen what's new and where things have gone and to be honest felt no compulsion to "upgrade". 4K has had my attention but from picture and motion quality, the best LCD/LED have left me saying "meh?" Aside from 4K, the new compelling factor is the modern price to size ratio. When I purchased the 59" D8000 series it was almost $4k!. I wish I had spent the extra coin for the 64" model though. Hind sight...I was looking forward to a modern 65" 4K plasma! Alas, no such beast.
BIG heads up for anyone looking for 2nd-hand Panasonics, it seems they've programmed their 2007-2010 panels to lighten up their black levels over relatively short amounts of time. Likely in order to eliminate the possibility of a maldischarge and extend the life of the panel. Unfortunately, this means most Panasonic plasmas between '07-10 could have black levels comparable to an IPS LCD and there's no simple way of restoring it besides buying a tool that's barely ever available.
Okay, I kinda exaggerated about the blacks being as bad as an IPS LCD, but they'll still appear grey. It's just a dimmer grey than that of an LCD. Like a glow stick compared to a lamp with a dark shade.
@John Hooper Yeah, hopefully that Audiodane guy gets around to releasing his next batch of Panasonic black level restoration devices. That way I can live off my Viera for as long as until OLEDs/Full Array LCDs become sub $1000AUD in regular pricing. At least the brights are really high when contrast is set to max in Dynamic and Normal modes.
@John Hooper Since you also mentioned it, the plasma I got is also a 2009 model so it's a bit of a shame I got the short end of the stick in regards to black levels. Although I later took a look at a 2011 model (albeit a lower end model) and I found its black levels weren't much better than my '09 model. Then again it had a shitton of burn-in.
Same thing applies to pioneer kuro of any kind. You need to do pulse meter reset and voltage tweaking to keep them at peak functioning. 50 inchers are the best bet since 60 inchers do not respond well to this treatment, with way more artifacts. Shoot for 8th gen and above in 50 inch size and you'll be good.
@@displaytalk Damn, and I'm about to check one out today hoping the engineering alone would be enough to maintain the black levels. I won't be able to pull off a pulse meter reset or a voltage tweak alone, since I don't have any specialised electrical equipment or experience. Not to mention almost all local electricians refuse to get involved in any of this stuff. Besides, aren't we basically 'overclocking' the panels so they'll die out faster?
GREAT, Man! Enjoy it and use it well. The Motion Resolution of a Plasma TV is PRICELESS! There is NO other HDTV with that picture Quality for Video. Even OLED in video movement are like 300p and a complete "crappy" Tech.
Wonderful video! So well produced, written and presented. My basic Best Buy Insignia 49" TV died after 6 years and I was researching new TVs. I went on a great local selling app called Karrot and found a 46" Panasonic Viera plasma for $20...yes, $20! I rushed over to buy, and it looked brand-new. After setting it up, I went into the sub-menu and saw that it only had 4,248 hours...and that's from a TV manufactured in 2008. The seller told me that it hadn't been used much because they purchased a 65" in 2012...and they don't watch much TV to begin with. I tweaked all of the settings, and the picture is just so rich and detailed. Naturally my search for a new TV is over. There are some quirks...many positive. The bezels are big...but that's a benefit. Far better for watching movies. When I first walked past the screen, it was much warmer temperature-wise than my previous LED. The power consumption is much higher. I figure that I'll spend $100 a year to run the thing. Then again, I paid $20. A 46-50" OLED TV costs between $800-$1500, depending on the brand and quality. The picture quality of the plasma equals or beats the OLED.
@John Hooper John, I see that they are comparably priced to other used LED TVs. The Pioneer Kuro plasmas bring a premium. I really love this Panasonic Viera.
Plasma's to me handle motion better than any current display tech out there right now. I bought a lower mid range Samsung plasma in 2015 as a stop gap before getting an OLED a year and a half later and while the OLED clearly beats it in everything else, I still prefer how the plasma handles motion. I still have it in my room but it's getting replaced with a Panasonic GT50 soon.
I thoroughly enjoyed your video, and I'd like to ask you a question. Plasmas were around in the early 2000's and as such how does an early plasma compare to a latter year model. Moreover how did the tech change over the years it existed. I look at them frequently in search of buying one and I have yet to own one. I love CRT's and i recently tracked down a late gen Trinitron with a HDMI output, fun!! But getting back to the point, if you take a 2008 ($3,000 top of the line unit) how would it stack up to the base model 2017/18 (whichever year it was they were discontinued)? You mentioned the model you thought was the best to look for by Pioneer. Again is there any difference in how they came along in their development and are they're any others to look for ie computer monitors/etc?
For the most part, 2012 was the last year for plasmas. The Pioneer Kuros and 2011-12 Panasonic Vieras were the best, but Samsung (what I have) and Sharp also made very nice plasma TVs. The early 2000's plasmas were standard definition, some had as low as 600x360p resolution. They were also more prone to burn in, had much shorter half-lives, worse black levels, were very heavy, used a ton of electricity, ran very hot, and weren't as bright. Later model plasma TV's used slightly tweaked formulas of gases in the plasma cells enabling brighter output, deeper blacks and a wider, more accurate, color gamut while using a fraction of the electricity. A lot of 2008 models (not all though) weren't full 1080p HD. Many were 1280x720 or 1360x768. Plasmas went out of fashion because they were heavier, used more power, and were more prone to burn in than OLED TVs. Plasmas also couldn't be built with a 4k resolution because the cells would be so small they wouldn't emit enough light to be usable.
@@DMX-PAT 2008ish TV's were also 2x or 3x as heavy as later plasmas. My 2008 50" Panasonic probably weighs 70#'s and is a monster to put up and is double the weight of my 2012 Samsung 60". I just found a 2011 42" panasonic on CL for 50$ and its going in the sunroom :). When they get older they make KILLER computer monitors because who cares about burn in and they dim a little which to me is easier on the eyes. I am about three foot from my 50' plasma as I type this and am doing another 50" for a computer room. I think its funny everybody walks around on their phones looking at a 2" screen when you can get a 50" computer screen for 300$ and an I-7 powerhouse CPU for 700$ "as much as their phones". My 2008 Panasonic is MUCH better TV than the 2012 Samsung. The speakers are night and day better, the glass is thicker, the quality is nuts compared to TV's today. We use it multiple times everyday sense 2008. If I had surround I would opt for an older 60" because I think most of the LG Samsung 2011-13 models had crap speakers to loose weight because they were competing with LCD in those days. I love how in 2004 a TV that was 10K is sitting on my wall for 700$ in 2011... and I still get great action with NO GHOSTING which is great for games on a computer. When I get lag its really lag and not the monitor lol.
@@PermacultureLongboarder Well said, that's really what it's all about is the older models. I need a list of the best models to look for because it's difficult to tell what you're getting on a kijiji add. The best way is check the back with the barcode thing that has the year it was made at least that way you can tell by the year and you know it's going to be halfway decent. But like you said the weight alone is a pain in the ass, but it's worth it. What plasma was 10k when it first came out, I want that one!! I would love to see more used TV repair shops out there catering the early plasma TV's but I'm just dreaming because people just go for what's new and cheap now...
Still rocking with a 2012 Panasonic. Still has great picture quality, but the brightness has declined with age-probably because I run the TV 24/7 (I think I’m subconsciously trying to burn it out to incentivize myself to invest in an OLED.
John Hooper hah, I will! I’ll comment back what they are! I’d imagine, God, in the hundreds of thousands, eesh. Could I ask, what’s ur setup? Have a particular brand/type of television to recommend? (I’ll be needing a new one soon lol).
Hello .. Just purchased the Sony 65" A8H to replace my 60" Pioneer Elite Pro-151FD. Should be here Feb 16 2021. The Pioneer will not sold and will go into one of the bedrooms. The plasma is still an awesome TV.
Any 2013 model. For Panasonic that would be the S60, ST60, VT60, and ZT60. Since this video I've upgraded to the a 65" Panasonic S60 and absolutely love it. It's significantly better than the Samsung in this video.
I have the last plasma model that Samsung made and everytime I have visitors, they are amazed at the color and resolution. When I tell them its a plasma, they hit the floor. Smartest move I made.
I have 3 2014 Samsung BF series plasmas. A 51" F4500, an F5300, and a 60" F5300. Also have 2 2013 F4500 models, picture is just as good but slightly more input lag than the 2014s.
how can they be amazed by the resolution, its just the most basic generic resolution aka 1080p or less....
@@DeceniumThat’s basic to you? Lol. 480i would be basic.
I bought a 50 inch LG plasma in 2009 and it’s not even 1080p but the image is fantastic. Most HD streams I watch, Netflix, TH-cam etc are really low bit depth so I think the colour and lower res actually helps the image quality. This clearly can not be proven but its just a fantastic image.
When I go to friends houses with 70 inch oled 4K screens I just want to gauge my eyeballs out. I’m sure a 4K to 4K comparison on both screens would show the improved clarity but I’ve never seen them play anything above 1080 and usually a 1080 stream which on that big of a screen with the upscaling you can see the bit depth causing noise and movement artefacts.
Plasma all the way. The only downside is the need to shut the curtains to be able to see the screen without just seeing your reflection.
You are right. 4/8K displays are only viable if a person views 4K Blu-Rays, games in 4K, or watch ATSC 3.0 over-the-air broadcasts.
Make you words mine
Worst thing at Plasmas for me is the Power Consumption it even eats CRTs up in that matter
My plasma just died. I’m buying another one second hand, moving From a 2009 plasma to a 2014 Panasonic VT60 screen I’m excited to pick it up next week. I’m gonna be a plasma lifer hahaha until I get an OLED
i love my samsung plasma! i bought it new for $700 9 yrs ago and still going strong!
Rex Pepper same here. Haven’t had a single issue with mine purchased 8-9 yrs ago as well. Love this tv
@dsimp comelli the only thing you could go for now that will give you a similar experience is an OLED.
time to upgrade to an 8k.
is it HDMI Or D-sub?
@dsimp comelli 4K is not really in full swing yet anyway. I have My Sammy and invoice of it I paid $850 for it plus a matching Sammy sound Bar $221.
The best plasma TV is still made by Panasonic, imo
The zt60..??
@@itsalesconsultant
They made some fine TVs... if I didnt have my last gen kuros I would have gone for the Panasonic.. vt65 or zt..
Panasonic getting involved in oled was the reason I finally went 4khdr
@@itsalesconsultant so true
Have a Viera. Love it
@mabbohabb Yeah, I have a 42 inch Panasonic Viera that is 1080p. I've had it for around 8 years now
Proud owner of a 54inch LG plasma. I hook up my PC for some amazing gaming and nice vivid colors in dark rooms.
I still use my Panasonic Viera 42" back from 2011 as my only TV. Use it probably 8h or more a day for different activities like movie watching, music playing (connected to a home theater), gaming, 3D rendering as preview screen. Plugged a Chromecast to it and feels like I won't change it until it dies when it reaches its 100,000 hours life cycle.
In 2011, we were deciding between a Plasma and an LCD TV to replace out aging 2005 CRT. We went for the LCD which, at 1080p resolution, still works great today! Even though it's ten years old, it works fantastically.
Escolheu mal. Plasma mto melhor.
LCD is shit compared to plasma. I bought plasma panasonic in 2011 and I still have it but its time to OLED
Do you still have it?
the lcd was much sharper than the crt...and thats about it, everything else is worse
Our main TV is a 50" Pioneer Kuro. It still has really good picture quality
Same! KURO PDP LX5090
Still rocking a 50 panasonic for a computer monitor as I type right now and a 60 Samsung Plasma as our main TV. About to get another 50 plasama for a 2nd computer.
also when they dim its great for a computer monitor because who wants to look at an insanely bright screen...
@@PermacultureLongboarder My man! Used a Panasonic 43 for monitor for 4 years.1080p perfect blacks..
Plasma TV is the best
Pioneer is best plasma TV
Use it only for important shows
Enjoy
I got a 2011 year model 42 inch Panasonic Viera plasma. Looks great on old Snes all the way up to my Xbox Series S. Paid $150 for it 6 years ago. Great value for my money. Setting let me customize colours. I play on vivid mode. Got a 5 port HDMI splitter on it as well. So much value coming from this tv. Very happy with it.
I have p42gt20 viera panasonic from 2011 great tv still playing well no issues but its time for oled. I think about philips 55 ' 806
@@Filipsoon Oled has inferior motion. Will not be much of an Upgrade aside from the brightness and black levels.
Plasmas were, and will always be, special.
Plasmas tend to not suffer from response time because they update at 600 times per second, not to confuse you with 600hz, it's still 60hz. LCDs, OLEDs and QLEDs suffer from a response time of 20ms OR MORE. My plasma has around 5-10ms. While my LCD TV has about 15-20ms, and it's a huge difference going from that to this.
dude. modern ips panels have response times of 1ms or less and 2-5 ms or less of input lag. 20ms is some shitty old cheap lcd tv froom like 2006. right now LED MONITORS haave far beter refresh rate
@@davidt8087 and worse Motion Resolution, unfortunately. Plasma TV's are 1.6ms (600Hz) or 0.33ms (3,000 Hz).
@@davidt8087 I still see high end OLEs and Qleds that ghost to me. I dont' care what you say about refresh rate. My plasma's don't do that granted picture quality is night and day.
@@davidt8087 The best samsung lcd q90r display have only 5-9ms at best and that's for transitions for 20-80% not 0-100 or even g2g. Plasma's like Panasonics or Pioneers Elite lineup flagships have 3000hz FFD which give them sub millisecond response time from any grayscale range although with 2-4ms of phosphor decay.
David T that's the marketing hype noob, gtg stuff not the actual response time of those ugly ips panel, dirty glow, 700-800:1 pathetic contrast ratio..so ugly
I've got an older 2005 Panasonic Plasma on my wall in the gaming room, TH-42PV500B, and for it's lower resolution of 1024x768, it still has amazing rich colors and deep blacks, and the responsiveness of it is great.
Plus all my older consoles look much better on this than they do on OLED or LCD.
I saw a video saying OLED was better but to me the Plasma looked more natural and I prefer that look despite the fact the blacks ain't as dark as OLED. Old school stuff seems to be where Plasma shines.
@@realamericannegro977 The lower resolution of the panel works better for old games consoles as the tv doesn't have to scale the image as much as it would with a 1080p or 4k panel.
Have the samsung 43” plasma 3d. Absolute bliss since i bought in 2012. Holding to it like dearest life.
Yo también tengo un plasma 3D Samsung series 490 y es mi niña consentida...en las demás habitaciones hay un OLED y un Qled 4k y a pesar de ser 1080p sus colores y contrastes son espectaculares
I just got a used LG 60" plasma to replace a 42" LCD. Loving it so far. It has a little bit of image retention, but it appears to be going away.
Love my 58" 2009 Panasonic plasma. Guests constantly complement the picture quality... that said, it has horrible glare (like looking in a mirror) under certain conditions, which drives me crazy at times.
You can apply a very high end anti-glare filter, you will loose a bit brightness depends on how expensive one you buy but it helps, A LOT.
It's the end of 2020, my 2013 50" panasonic ST60 has 25k hours on it. 75k more to go for half life....
how you get the hours
have fun you lucky SOB
Still have my Pioneer Kuro from yeeeears ago. Still one of my favorite TV's that I own.
Plasmas produce my favorite picture quality of any display type, aside from CRTs which are equally as special.
I m. Still using a Sony plasma. TV one of the first models... It has a burn in but it is not noticeable..... We bought it back in 2004.. It is 32'' and of course has very big Bezels but for its times it was really high end... Still enjoying it
My 12 years old Panasonic Plasma still beautiful. Videogamesgames in 4k it looking great. Just the power consumption is much higher as today's TVs.
I have a 60" pioneer 141FD I just took it out of the box last summer, hung it on the wall.... and still have not hooked it up..... yet. Things are looking up though, I just bought a channel master out board tuner and a Denon 3700 AVR. So within the next month, I should have it up and running. I know how good the picture is, having seen its performance capabilities in the high end audio/video store where I purchased it. Can't wait!!!
My 60" Samsung Plasma TV that I bought in 2011 still works fine. It unfortunately has a little problem with the display on the leftmost side. I just realized that it was a plasma TV a few weeks ago even though I had it for 10 years and kept everything it came with in the box.
Almost got rid of my 2007 Panasonic Viera but kept it as a spare room tv when getting a mid- high end QLED Samsung for the main room. I compare them like this, the Plasma is like a Diamond Needle Turntable and the QLED is a flawless CD Player the nuances of the softer glow of the Panasonic compared to the ultra crisp vivid of the Samsung makes movies give very different viewing experiences depending on the movie. For me I prefer viewing most 20th Century movies on the plasma and if it's really new shows or super special effects movie the Samsung is better.
As an owner of a 2007 Viera and a newer LED 4K Sony, your comparison is spot on! My Viera still servers as a spare bedroom TV as well.
I have owned 4 Plasma TV's and still have 2 that are in the bedrooms. They are great tv's even to this day. My main TV is a Panasonic OLED and i love it but i will still always love Plasma's.
As far as I am concerned none of the TVs I have seen today compare to my 2011 Panasonic Plasma.
Check out some LG OLEDs. They are very impressive. Your local Costco should have them on display
Dude, any OLED is leaps and bounds better than every plasma, ever made, by any measurement. Heck, I'd go as far to say Vizio's P series and TCLs 6 series TVs are better than any plasma ever made, in every area, except off angle viewing and 480p upscaling. This is coming from a former video calibrator who spent hundreds of hours with Pioneer Elite Kuros and owned a Samsung E7000 series plasma up until 6 months ago. I still love Plasma, but its no where near the best display tech today. That $5000 50" Pioneer Elite Kuro is bested today by a 50" LED for $500.
@@Cakebattered "Former video Calibrator"? Mister, you have a SERIOUS problem.
@@Red05x Proclaiming that I was a video calibrator just provides context, and possibly validity, to my statement. Any problem you have with that lies solely with YOU.
@@Cakebattered Mister, I DON'T have a problem with that, is that I really can't imagine a former Calibrator saying that. Just Motion Resolution, EVERY LCD, LED or OLED HDTV 60HZ has only 300 lines. And to ANY that reads this, please, try a DVD (yes, a DVD!) with Component Cables on a CRT (calibrated) and an UHD 4K HDR Blu-ray on a 4K HDR LCD, LED, OLED and the DVD will look better, except for CGI pictures. No only Motion Resolution, but colors. The Colors on OLED 4K TVs aren't as good as a Plasma TV or CRT TV. For example, my B7 is loosing (just a little) uniformity on the screen. It has less than two years and starting (again, just a bit) to fail... unacceptable!
Maybe you did a LOT of calibrations and I'm sure you're a very good calibrator BUT, there is NO WAY any 4K OLED HDR TV could look better than any 2010 - 2013 Plasma HDTV (showing video with movement) no matter the content: Video Games, Movies, HDR Movies, Sports, Cartoons, news, even Retro Consoles. BOTH TVs (Plasma and OLED) are "crappy" to show PS2 Content but at least, it doesn't look as bad on my Plasma as on my OLED. The only... ONLY way that the OLED B7 looks better than my Plasma is on Still pictures and PC content while the screen is showing still content (MY GT25 doesn't have Chroma 4:4:4 so, some tiny letters look a little blurry).
My comment was that, a comment. I apologize if disturbed you in any way.
I can only dream (by now) with a VT60 or a ZT60 or Panasonic to Re-release again Plasma Technology. By now, I enjoy my Viera GT25. But, at least I have one of the fastest Viera Plasma HDTV ever released (15ms Input LAG).
Love my Panasonic Vierra 50" 1080i Plasma bought in 2009. The image quality is out of this world. I use to sell TV's at Best Buy from 2006-2010. The 1080i Panasonic Plasma always looked better to my eyes than any 1080p we use to sell. I can play 4K and 8K videos on it and damn it looks stunning. It has been my main reason not to buy 4K or 8K TV yet. I own over 1000 DVDs and they all look stunning. No need to buy Bluray's. DVDs look like Bluray on it. DVDs look crap on LCDs that's why they brought Bluray to support it. VHS, Laser Disc, DVDs looked stunning on CRT and Plasma. Bluray came out to push LCD and LED TV sales pure marketing. Watch any classic movie, or ones in Technicolor, painting like colors such as The Ten Commandments, Ben-Hur, Or all classic War movies, the razor sharp film grain and detail is simply stunning and treat for my eyes. LCD, LED, OLED, QLED are simply cash grabs!!! Plasma are gone just like CRT, "All good things come to an end". People who loved CRT will always love Plasma. Plasma lives forever!!!!!
Love my Panasonic plasma gt50 from 2012. Best purchase I have ever made.
Blu-ray looks immensely better than DVD on my Kuro.
I have the 720p version of this TV and I prefer it to the 4k led set I have in my living room. The colors still amaze me and the resolution actually looks way better than 720p. I think plasmas have a bit of anti aliasing and that makes the picture more defined. Idk maybe it's just me.
It s technology behind plasmas that will give best picture accuracy because of phosphorous light diodes against led artificial light which makes dull colors, plus plasma have better motion and SDR content can t be beaten by led technology, pioneer kuro 500 series and panasonic last gen st vt zt are still top ib terms of picture quality
I own two Plasma TVs, a 720p LG 50" HDTV from 2011 (Model 50pt350) and a 480p Panasonic 42" EDTV from 2005 (Model TH-42PD50U) both of which are still serving me quite well, and I honestly wouldn't trade either of them for a modern LCD tv because I'm super into Guitar Hero and I love the low input lag
Plasmas had built in anti aliasing like crts new TVs even 1080p look horrible with Xbox 360
I bet the 480p plasma is perfect for DVD's. I have a 720p plasma and a 1080p plasma.
@quatz1981 not sure how great it was for DVDs, but it was amazing for ps2 and og xbox through component, unfortunately it developed an issue with purple stuck pixels
@@RubyIsBored yeah i would imagine it would look great on those consoles
Im currently using a $15 42" Toshiba Plasma from 2006 and even though its only 720p it still looks way better than the 1080p LCD I used before
Last August I bought a 2007 Panasonic Viera TH-42PV70MT 1080p plasma, originally priced at $2,000, for only $100! The seller even told me that it's the second best to Pioneer Kuro in terms of blacks! To me, the picture just looks like a CRT, and I really love it! Gorgeous! I,m never gonna give it up! I can only laugh at the cheap LEDs in my neighborhood and those LCDs clogging up the repair shops after just a few months of use! And Don,t even get me started with QLED! For me, it,s HD CRT, CRT projection, plasma, IPS LED, OLED or nothing!!!
My new to me Panasonic 42” plasma just arrived today and damn it’s beautiful. I replaced a 27” 144hz TN panel that is HDR capable and runs at 1440p native. I can honestly say that I miss the crispness of the TN panel. The plasma runs at 1080p native and sitting 2-3 feet away from it is just magical when it comes to the natural looking colors and contrast ratio. Also, it’s a lot less bright and the eye strain feels a lot less. I think even with a lower brightness that it seems even nicer to look at. I’m a happy panda!
how is the default speakers on tv with panasonic?
they're amazing at making camera lenses and speakers, they're in cooperation with university of tokyo making new stuff all the time.
samsung to me is just a big company from south korea like ford was to automobiles.
I like plasma tv's, but don't forget they're fairly heavy compared to an lcd/oled and also they put out quite a bit of heat!
Everyone seems to say that, but the one I have only weighs about 50 pounds and my laptop gets way hotter to the touch than this TV ever has. I know earlier plasma TVs had cooling fans and heatsinks but if mine is anything to go by it would seem the issue of heat was largely solved in the later years.
@@griffensander The later ones probably were improved quite a bit. But most new 50" lcd/led TV's are under 25lbs, and used quite a bit less power. Hopefully yours serves you well, and unless you go OLED you won't get a better picture imo.
@@griffensander I have a PN51E8000 How much is it worth?
@@Raiders-wm5kb That's one of the best plasmas Samsung ever made, but the people who spend a lot on TV's usually don't buy 10 year old plasmas so it probably isn't worth more than $300. There's a Kuro Pro 151-FD (basically the best plasma ever made) that's been on my local Craiglist for $400 for 2 months now and still hasn't sold.
Griffen Sander gotcha it still looks good I put it in my basement.
bought a panasonic tx-p50v20b for only £55 last night seems a very good picture faces look much more real.
Ya, all three of my TVs are still plasma. I owned a couple of LCD TVs but they made my brain want to throw up - they gone.
How about QLED?
@@calvinkulit In fairness the LCD TVs I owned were earlier models and not QLED or today's higher end LCDs with local dimming. But for me it's all about contrast and emissive technologies are still King in this regard.
@@quacktuber1051 just try newer lcd or oled pls give a better try
I got two of them off craiglist this year. a 43 inch panasonic for 100 and a 50 inch philips for 50 bucks.
I had a 50 inch Panasonic 720p native plasma tv. The machine was a real beauty.
I got one off craiglist a few months back for 100 bucks.
@@TrevorHamberger I really love plasma tv sets but now that I got an LG OLED I do not miss them anymore. LG finally made something to fill the void. The model I have is the 55E7P. Crazy thing is I bought it when it was new for $5000. I know they got cheaper now but I don't regret anything because the machine is still just as awesome as when I bought it. Perfect blacks and better colors than a plasma tv with 4K resolution. If you ever want something new to fill the plasma tv void you can trust in an LG OLED TV and they are cheaper now haha.
@@cemsengul16 lol. my car cost half your TV.
@@TrevorHamberger Yeah I kind of regret buying it when it was brand new a few years ago. Well it was an impulse purchase see I had this Panasonic Plasma TV that I would never replace finally die on me after 10 years of use and quickly wanted to fill the void. I was at a Best Buy and fell in love with OLED. I know I feel stupid too for paying that much.
@@cemsengul16 lol well at least you're really happy with the tv. I myself don't care too much about picture quality. I just don't want some piece of crap LCD to look at and I'm cheap as hell and buy everything used except underwear and socks (i still have really nice stuff though) so I went with a plasma. I will keep your OLED suggestions in mind for when these plasmas die in maybe 20 years ;)
Still loving my 2014 50" LG Plasma. \m/
Benefits or demerits of buying plasma
@@akshaychadha4381 Pros: Low input lag, AMAZING viewing angles, correct colors, glass screen protection and metallic back, great build quality. Cons: Energy, Heat, Low brightness, No 4k/HDR, reflective screen.
I got one of the plasmas from Samsung the F8500. Still going strong.
I'm going to buy Samsung plazma TV is it beneficial
I was looking to upgrade my 55” x930e to something larger. After some research I took a risk and bought a used Samsung 64F8500 for $200 on CL.
Technically the Samsung is a big downgrade but my eyes see something different. The black level, shadow detail, viewing angles, motion handling, and the contrast of the Samsung bested my Sony.
Technically is just a Marketing try to tell us that the new tech is better but is NOT. Plasma TV's are a much better tech than new displays (even OLED 4K or 8K).
@@Red05x "even oled" LOL!! keep telling yourself that. You bring your Plasma 1080p and I'll bring my oled 4k with hdr and then we'll compare which display produces better picture quality not to mention how much plasma's consume electricity and the amount of heat they radiate.
@@swifty1969 I don't need your OLED 4K, Man. I have mine (OLED B7) and see OLED displays quality EVERY DAY. Now, you need to check for a Plasma Display (Panasonic is suggested) and see it by yourself.
@@Red05x oh cool! B8 here. I didn't like Plasma's even back then, I'm sensitive to its flickering. Besides, you can never use plasma tv's as a computer monitor....no sireeee.
@@swifty1969 In that regard, you are right. Plasma Displays are not the best option to use as a Computer Monitor. Nevertheless, Picture Quality on a Plasma Display is a LOT better than all the others. "Sample and Hold" Displays are very, VERY BAD for Motion Resolution.
After my main Toshiba LED died two weeks out of the warranty period, someone offered me a free 2008 50" Panasonic Viera and I've been a convert to the Plasma side ever since. Blacks are deep and colours rich; motion blur is nonexistent. I now also have Vieras in my bedroom and basement, and recently paid £20 for a 2010 42" model for my partner who loves it 😀 If you're only watching SD and HD content there is no point in forking out a thousand pounds for OLED, an old plasma will do everything you want (bar smart functions, but a Chromecast or Firestick is cheap and upgradeable) and at a tiny fraction of the price.
So true. Found a Pioneer lx-6090h 9th gen 60" Plasma 6km away from me for 50€. Getting it on friday, iam so stoked. But 524w power draw is not so great, but i will only use it on the weekend for watching movies with friends :) Great video btw.
I have a 60’inch ‘LG’ Plasma TV and it’s still fantastic. I dread the day when I have to change it.
Still rocking a Samsung 60 and want OLED to come out with some 80+ inch for under 2k then I am game to switch.
You are selling this one
2009 Samsung PS42A here. Still excellent pic and no burn in. A keeper, recommended :-)
My 2006 plasma just blew a large capacitor last week, sounded like a bomb went off. It jolted it pretty good and caused instant and permanent burn in on half the screen. Loved it for games and movies, weighed about 80lbs though. I wish modern sets had the I/O the old plasmas typically came with.
I'm willing give up my crt tv for plasma since I've come to realize my obsession has turned absurd (a monitor is enough). What i like in crt the most is vibrant colors and no backlight so plasma has to be a good trade off (for now). However, what i find annoying in second market is that a lot of them are missing a stand.
I don't know what CRT TV you have but I say keep it with you and try to get the Plasma too. I have a SONY KV-21FS150 and a Panasonic Plasma Viera TC-P42GT25X. Believe Me, you will enjoy the Plasma and the CRT TV.
@John Hooper HD Ready Plasma TV? Why not a Full HD Plasma?
@John Hooper Thanks, Mr. I will check about it. Is the Plasma on your videos HD Ready?
@John Hooper Very interesting... HD Ready Plasmas are more common where I live. I guess find one won't be difficult. What about the colors? Maybe it's my amateur level but i just CAN'T reproduce the beautiful colors of the CRT TV on my Plasma GT25. Also, for some reason, the contrast I believe is the one thing I don't know if is o.k or not. I have my Plasma on 69 of 100 but don't know if is the correct level.
@John Hooper How could I know what contrast level is the correct? I have a picture with 0 to 16 gray levels and I use it to select brightness but for contrast I don't know how... If I use a Blu-ray or something, sometimes the calibration is different from one disc to another... any suggestions for the GT25?
Still got my pioneer krp 500M. Had it side by side comparison with friends latest Panasonic oled. Still got my pioneer krp -that’s says it all.
Still using my 60'' Kuro it is superb for films and amazing for gaming with no retention in sight. MicroLED will be the tech i by when the time comes.. Depends how long the Kuro lasts!
What's the refresh rate?
@@snark567 60fps
@@cp070476
Doesn't it look blurry at 1080p stretched out like that?
@@snark567 No sir it's razor sharp no motion blur at all.
@@snark567 The keyword is "sample and hold" - a plasma doesn't do that, it pulses, so you get less to no motion blur even at 60Hz. The only reason LCDs and OLEDs are pushing higher refresh rates is to combat motion blur, a problem that doesn't even exist on CRT and Plasma.
I have bought the Panasonic vt60 about a half year ago and despite the fact that the blacks are not as deep as an oled i absuluty love it
Still love the kuro.. got one in front room for our main display and previously had a krp500 then 600 in my den.. all of them were voltage tweaked and the 600 although more impact was not as dark as the 500..
Have a Panasonic oled in my den for over a yr and good blurays look a bit better but grainy ones are more forgiving on the kuro.. however 4khdr is a different level with more detail etc alot brighter but its 9yrs newer than my front room kuro and build quality is not on the same level.. the OLED is just used for blurays and has a very plasma look but the kuro is a great all rounder. . TV shows, films sports..damn wish pioneer were still doing TVs.. only imagine what they could have done now.. great vid too by the way.. 👍
You should try 4k blurays on oled. Game changer.
@@kennethwallace21
Yes mate.. that's all I use mine for had it about a yr and bit have the Panasonic ez952.. cinematic like the kuro but brighter and more detailed.. it was the 4khdr that made me buy one..
65" Panasonic Viera from 8 years ago better than actual 4k and 3d content is 1080p and I play videogames with my daughter, plasma tv's are beautiful!.
Man I used to frequent those old Pioneer Plasma monitor in my dad's old work office.
Never got to test one but I bet they'd look great.
I still remembered how much it radiates heat in an already warm room I can feel the Samsung Plasma warmth 3 feet away from me I think it will work really well in a cooler climate as a weak heater.
It advantages over today's LCD and OLED sets are big surprises to me saves big bucks and get one of these warm beasts in this economy just makes more sense.
A tweaked KRP 500A/M will still till this day run with the best of them.....thats how far ahead of time Pioneer were.
For sure John Hooper, If pioneer hadnt closed down their plasma section we would long long ago have had hdr, 4k with the best processing and Picture quality abilities. Heck after the last sets ( KRP ) they showed the World a plasma that was as thin as oled with 0 blacks. But luckily the 50inch versions of the KRP's can be tweaked to have 0mll, thats oled blacks but with brutal contrast ratios and higher micro contrast which makes it look like its hdr.
@@plasmahdtv I bought an LG B8 and it was amazing until I couldn't get passed the color temp shift off axis and sub par motion.
@Sara Valestein, Yup Oled still has issues I dont like. But make no mistake a new 2019 high-end model will do the job for most of us. And they will only get better, but I still would not swap my Pio to an Oled. Motion issues alone will deter me away.
@@plasmahdtv Once they can achieve 2160 lines, then I will get rid of my Kuro :)
@@FuIIDiveVR good on you Sara :)
My best bro has a Plasma tv. He's been using it since good ones were released. It looks amazing even stiull! Lively colors and great blacks. Bright too.
I always am surprised when I see it.
The firewatch and life is strange gameplay made me smile
My 60" 8500 Samsung plans from 2013 if still kicking. It's our secondary TV now, main is OLED. We love the wide viewing angles and colors. Of both techs.
Samsung f8500 checking in
I have a high end Zenith model from around 2009 and it is the best tv I could ask for. It has all the inputs I could ever want in a display and the picture is the best imho despite there being a 4K tv in the living room. I can’t tell when I’m looking at a display that is 4K with hdr enabled and a 1080p image on my plasma, to me it’s that good.
They killed plasma not because of Technology but because they cost more to make therefore there is less profit. I also wanted to add that the power consumption is a lot higher in Plasma. In green energy consumption they wouldn't keep up.
Brad Edwards absolutely agree with you. It was a far better technology but due to the weight of the units shipping was not cost-effective.
I have a main Hisense Oled TV, an entertainment Sony LCD TV that was 9 years old but it died one week ago so I temporarily replaced it with my spare Samsung Plasma from 2007. Crazy how good the picture quality still is on this 15 years old HD only TV :-P
I like Samsung and LG plasma's that were made before 2010 cuzz later 2010+ models had big panel problems. The best plasmas in my opinion were made by Pioneer and Panasonic nothing can beat those exotic models :-D
I always liked the image quality of plasmas, I just got a Panasonic TC-P50X1 HD plasma, ¿someone knows how good it is?
I've got a plasma and always thought it looked really great
LCDs with TN panels have to use dithering to increase their perceived color depth from 6-bits per channel (18-bits per pixel) to 8-bits per channel (24-bits per pixel).
That’s why people in the 90s also hate on LCD screen. TN should be continued by now even IPS monitor got 144hz now.
Most people will also prefer using a desktop pc over laptop because of CRT monitor while laptop got a TN with STN which have the worst motion blur ever compare to TFT screen on modern LCD.
I'm picking up a used Pioneer Kuro 5090H for 50€ tomorrow, I'm so pumped! It'll be replacing my 2013 low budget LG LCD, meaning I'm expecting a massive improvement in picture quality. Only issue is gonna be bringing it upstairs... 33Kg, give or take!
How was it?
Im buying one this week for 50 Euro (if it has no burn ins or such). Im so excited!
@@Eriksvensson4231 still in service! If you're fine with 1080p, quality is unparalleled. Mine suffered from some red tint, had to change a few settings in the service menu, you can find tutorials online for such things, all you need is a smartphone with an IR emitter, or a harmony remote!
@@coccoborg the input lag on game are good ?
@@ismiismael extremely good. Not measured mind you, but I use it to play wipeout hd/fury on ps3 on it sometimes and its better when compared to any other TV I've ever tried. It can, however, exhibit ghosting on fast moving scenes at lower brightness.
Since I'm here over two years later: still the best deal I ever got on used electronics anything. No burn-in after two years, no issues to report and great quality.
Expect lower brightness when compared to modern LCDs and especially OLEDs, menus are also sluggish at times, but other than that, it's perfect. In a dark room it is absolutely jaw-dropping.
Still rocking my two plasmas a 60st60a and a 50st50a but I’ve had my share of kuros and just sold an lx609a to a friend and I just picked up a Sony 55xbr45 aka 55xbr8 fald for peanuts iirc the original owner paid 7k for it.
I got a 51 inch Plasma Samsung for free. I does have some burn in, but as long as the contrast is set to 60-70, it's not visible. I was not sure if I should take it, but I'm happy I did. The actual resolution is 1024x768 according to Samsung (it's stretched), but it supports 1080p.
A great tv that has more to offer than what the average user really needs
And yes, the remote control layout is pretty bad, going around the menus is pretty, annoying
KRP-500M is the best of all time. I just got one with only 5k hours for $500. It has subjectively invisible(and unmeasurable with my i1 display pro, reading as .000 nits) black levels, and extremely low input lag. It matches oleds for 1080p sdr, except it has natively perfect motion because it's a plasma, not a sample and hold display. Also way cheaper! Cheers! These deals won't be around for long, so grab them while they're cheap guys. The state of the plasma market right now is similar to what CRT prices were in 2012, and now everyone is wishing they got a bvm back then. People will say the same thing about high end plasmas when they inevitably shoot up in price due to nostalgia and diminishing supply
SQUEEZED JUCHE I’ll pay you to voltage tweak my krp.
The information is freely available at patrik gardewall's youtube channel. He is not infallible but his voltage tweak guide is. Tweaking a krp-500m(or 101fd) is easier than on any other kuro. You can just follow his guide here
th-cam.com/video/KB4zziEIrdg/w-d-xo.html.
Unlike other reset guides this is extremely simple, consisting only of entering commands over rs-232c to usb(or ethernet cable as he suggests) with kuro command or a similar program. His commands set your voltages and ABL values to a near optimal value for every specimen. This is achievable due to the extremely low manufacturing tolerances of the krp-500m/101fd. Almost every unit is exactly the same as the next if hours are the same. Just follow his guide slowly and carefully and do quick-reset every once in a while
This procedure is 90% perfect for any specimen, but if you want complete perfection you will want to do your own fine tuning voltage tweaks and grayscale/white balance adjustment after applying those as a baseline. I myself did not need to, even my saturations are very very close to perfect. The only issue that arose after reset was a bit of black lag(black pixels sometimes popping up randomly in motion) but it only happens in isolated situations and disappears quickly, very minor. I have adjusted this out on a 6010fd before and I might do that down the road after my next quick reset but for now it is not a priority. Just enjoying it. My gains were from .011-.009 nit blacks to zero(unmeasurable with my meter and invisible to the eye, so effectively zero) and much higher brightness with clean white due to the commands maxing out ABL(safe maximum is 200 on these).
Make sure you are using this guide with the krp-500m/101fd only, as using it with any other kuro will not be correct. 50 inchers in general are pretty straightforward but still take experimental adjustments to get optimal voltages, while 60 inchers are only barely worth resetting. It is quite the ordeal to find a sweet spot on 60 inch kuros
SQUEEZED JUCHE is it same for krp 500A
Still using my 7 grand 2007 Panasonic viera plasma in 2020. No other 1080 led TV compares to it in regards to sound quality.
i got a 42 inch viera from that year on craigslist for 100 bucks.
I use one of these samsungs as my main gaming tv in my game room.
Modern stuff as well as retro consoles look pretty nice on these sets.
Great video love my Pioneer PDP LX6090 KURO still has amazing picture quality
I've still got my 50 inch Panasonic VT20, bought in either 2009 or 2010, every bit of content I play on it still looks amazing.
I've never had any issues of Burn-in, games have very snappy responsiveness and the picture is awesome.
It's only the draw of next gen gaming and the lack of HDR that makes me want something new.
Also the lack of proper smart features is a bit of a bummer, but I use a Chromecast with my phone for easy streaming of TH-cam and other Apps to my TV.
Shame Panasonic or another company couldn't have made Plasmas lighter, capable of higher resolutions than 1080p at reasonable sized.
I believe the limits were basically reached and high resolutions required massive sizes to make a true 4K Plasma.
The limit was cell size. Smaller cells emit less light and the cells would be so small with a 4k resolution it wouldn't have been usable in daylight unless the TV was huge.
@@griffensander So why not make huge ass plasma's? I would be game for a 90" plasma that was a little more energy efficient or lets say as energy efficient as an older plasma that was in the 4-5K range.
@@PermacultureLongboarder As you pointed out, Plasmas are a lot more complicated and expensive to manufacture. Plasma was also limited to the TV form factor, whereas OLED can be used in everything from a 100" TV to a 1" curved watch face, and with that in mind it makes little sense to keep two separate manufacturing processes in use when Plasma has so few advantages over OLED. Plasma's only real advantage (aside from price these days) is that it's a refresh-type display whereas OLED is sample-and-hold and, for the most part, that only makes a difference when gaming.
@@PermacultureLongboarder theres a 100 inch plasma for sale on e Bay right now in the uk only 4500😂
I just picked up a Zenith 42" plasma from Goodwill for $30! It's 768p and probably not the best, but I'm so stoked that I have one finally. I've got 5 CRTs both SD and HD and I've always been curious about plasmas.
Watching on my Panasonic plasma that I've had for the past 10 years and was just browsing videos looking to upgrade...don't think I'll bother for a few more years though. OLED TV's are still a bit pricey for my liking.
The only thing that annoys me though is juttering with panning shots on my plasma.
Buddha Mack
OLED pixels decide to die pretty quickly, not worth it if you want something that lasts
I just bought a 75 inch Samsung basic lcd not oled I was playing my games and started to get burn in on my panasonic plasma but it's cleared up now after 3 days as sad as it is I'm keeping it forever I've got so attached to it I'll just put it in the bedroom for films.
I still have my 42inch Panasonic from 2014 it now my bedroom tv and I have an OLED in the living room.
Love the picture quality and blacks plus it has 3D so now I can still watch 3D I. Bedroom but have HDR in living room
Samsung f8500 amazing tv friends that visit say the picture is amazing which it is. One time someone said to me its the best picture hes ever seen then I said it was a plasma and he said oh I dont like plasma lol you just said it was the best.
I picked up a 42 inch Samsung plasma TV from 2004 no burn in at all and the external speakers sound great colors are perfect only downside no HDMI but it has component for HD Content only supports 480p,480i,720p,1080i but I can look past that
Still using a panny g10 in bedroom and a panny gt50 downstairs
So i guess i did alright buying a kuro elite pro 151 FD 60 inch brand new 4000 in 2009, made feb 2009 sticker, looks the same on 19 hours a day and will last 40 years wow! Made in the usa with mostly usa parts. I had a tv guy come here to fix my LG lmxs30776s refrigerant in fridge they repair all tvs at first i thought i was a little embarrassed having an older tv he couldn’t stop looking at my tv, asked him which new tv i outta get told me i shouldn’t get any new keep what i got
i nearly shit my pants when i saw sauerbraten gameplay. what a precious gem of a game, absolutely floored to see it get... any representation at all. cheers
Too bad they cut the development of Plasmas. Always loved Panasonic Vieras especially with the 3D Options. The refresh rate for these things and the colours. Always wished I had one lol.
You can buy a good one second had a a really good price
Is the phoshorous trailing noticeable? Some people claim it go away, but do they mean objectively or just you forget to notice?
Great video! I currently own a Panasonic VT65B and absolutely love it, though the heat the thing gives off can warm a room haha! Do you think it’s worth me upgrading it to a 4K HDR set soon? I’m thinking the only real upgrade would be a top spec OLED but not sure? It’s a shame all TV Manufacturers have dropped 3D support, I actually love it on my VT!
Thank you! There may be some QLED tv's that are "better" in some ways (like maximum brightness) than our plasmas, but personally I wouldn't upgrade to anything but an OLED and with MicroLED on the horizon it may only be a few years until OLEDs start hitting the used market for cheap. I plan to ride out my plasma until that happens.
@@griffensander Good point Griffen, I bet when that happens you can snap up OLED for 800$ or so...
Yes without 3D modern TV tech seems to have taken a huge leap backwards! :(
If you watch movies, shows and don't game a lot yes go for Oled, they got really "cheaper" now and for around $1000 you can get regulary a nice 55" one like LG C1 for an example. For the main TV I can't go back to a regular LCD anymore it's just to good of an viewing experience and a pleasure. For entertainment and gaming I use LCD panels cuzz it's just the best combo in my opinion :-)
I'm also not throwing away my Plasma cuzz it's still a nice spare TV,
funny i used my lg plasma hooked into a pc with the task bar at the bottom most of the time and sites like youtube with borders n stuff and never had a hint of burn in even after years of use. i just got rid of it because its not asthetically pleasing anymore, to big n bulky with thick bezels it just looks ancient. man if they brought out a new plasma with tiny bezels and modern features i'd buy it without hesitation
How are you not more famous?
I honest to God had no idea they stopped making plasma! I've had no reason to upgrade in the last 8 years as my 59" Samsung D8000 plasma leaves nothing to be desired. I've seen what's new and where things have gone and to be honest felt no compulsion to "upgrade". 4K has had my attention but from picture and motion quality, the best LCD/LED have left me saying "meh?" Aside from 4K, the new compelling factor is the modern price to size ratio. When I purchased the 59" D8000 series it was almost $4k!. I wish I had spent the extra coin for the 64" model though. Hind sight...I was looking forward to a modern 65" 4K plasma! Alas, no such beast.
what about energy efficiency?
I think mine uses around 120w. Later models aren't as power-hungry as the early models were, but they'll all use more power than a modern LCD or OLED.
Still running a PDP-LX5090 Pioneer beautiful Tv 😻
BIG heads up for anyone looking for 2nd-hand Panasonics, it seems they've programmed their 2007-2010 panels to lighten up their black levels over relatively short amounts of time. Likely in order to eliminate the possibility of a maldischarge and extend the life of the panel. Unfortunately, this means most Panasonic plasmas between '07-10 could have black levels comparable to an IPS LCD and there's no simple way of restoring it besides buying a tool that's barely ever available.
Okay, I kinda exaggerated about the blacks being as bad as an IPS LCD, but they'll still appear grey. It's just a dimmer grey than that of an LCD. Like a glow stick compared to a lamp with a dark shade.
@John Hooper Yeah, hopefully that Audiodane guy gets around to releasing his next batch of Panasonic black level restoration devices. That way I can live off my Viera for as long as until OLEDs/Full Array LCDs become sub $1000AUD in regular pricing. At least the brights are really high when contrast is set to max in Dynamic and Normal modes.
@John Hooper Since you also mentioned it, the plasma I got is also a 2009 model so it's a bit of a shame I got the short end of the stick in regards to black levels. Although I later took a look at a 2011 model (albeit a lower end model) and I found its black levels weren't much better than my '09 model. Then again it had a shitton of burn-in.
Same thing applies to pioneer kuro of any kind. You need to do pulse meter reset and voltage tweaking to keep them at peak functioning. 50 inchers are the best bet since 60 inchers do not respond well to this treatment, with way more artifacts. Shoot for 8th gen and above in 50 inch size and you'll be good.
@@displaytalk Damn, and I'm about to check one out today hoping the engineering alone would be enough to maintain the black levels. I won't be able to pull off a pulse meter reset or a voltage tweak alone, since I don't have any specialised electrical equipment or experience. Not to mention almost all local electricians refuse to get involved in any of this stuff. Besides, aren't we basically 'overclocking' the panels so they'll die out faster?
My sister just gave me her old Panasonic plasma tv and I love it!
GREAT, Man! Enjoy it and use it well. The Motion Resolution of a Plasma TV is PRICELESS! There is NO other HDTV with that picture Quality for Video. Even OLED in video movement are like 300p and a complete "crappy" Tech.
@@Red05x I don't think that Erin is a man
@@vulc1 Hehehe, really? I don't know, Man... Are you a Man, right?
Wonderful video! So well produced, written and presented. My basic Best Buy Insignia 49" TV died after 6 years and I was researching new TVs. I went on a great local selling app called Karrot and found a 46" Panasonic Viera plasma for $20...yes, $20!
I rushed over to buy, and it looked brand-new. After setting it up, I went into the sub-menu and saw that it only had 4,248 hours...and that's from a TV manufactured in 2008. The seller told me that it hadn't been used much because they purchased a 65" in 2012...and they don't watch much TV to begin with.
I tweaked all of the settings, and the picture is just so rich and detailed. Naturally my search for a new TV is over.
There are some quirks...many positive. The bezels are big...but that's a benefit. Far better for watching movies.
When I first walked past the screen, it was much warmer temperature-wise than my previous LED.
The power consumption is much higher. I figure that I'll spend $100 a year to run the thing. Then again, I paid $20.
A 46-50" OLED TV costs between $800-$1500, depending on the brand and quality. The picture quality of the plasma equals or beats the OLED.
@John Hooper John, I see that they are comparably priced to other used LED TVs. The Pioneer Kuro plasmas bring a premium. I really love this Panasonic Viera.
Plasma's to me handle motion better than any current display tech out there right now. I bought a lower mid range Samsung plasma in 2015 as a stop gap before getting an OLED a year and a half later and while the OLED clearly beats it in everything else, I still prefer how the plasma handles motion. I still have it in my room but it's getting replaced with a Panasonic GT50 soon.
the idea is that the led will get smaller until we have more pixel count.
meaning higher quality each year led is improved upon.
(samsung qled ect..)
I thoroughly enjoyed your video, and I'd like to ask you a question. Plasmas were around in the early 2000's and as such how does an early plasma compare to a latter year model. Moreover how did the tech change over the years it existed. I look at them frequently in search of buying one and I have yet to own one. I love CRT's and i recently tracked down a late gen Trinitron with a HDMI output, fun!! But getting back to the point, if you take a 2008 ($3,000 top of the line unit) how would it stack up to the base model 2017/18 (whichever year it was they were discontinued)? You mentioned the model you thought was the best to look for by Pioneer. Again is there any difference in how they came along in their development and are they're any others to look for ie computer monitors/etc?
For the most part, 2012 was the last year for plasmas. The Pioneer Kuros and 2011-12 Panasonic Vieras were the best, but Samsung (what I have) and Sharp also made very nice plasma TVs. The early 2000's plasmas were standard definition, some had as low as 600x360p resolution. They were also more prone to burn in, had much shorter half-lives, worse black levels, were very heavy, used a ton of electricity, ran very hot, and weren't as bright. Later model plasma TV's used slightly tweaked formulas of gases in the plasma cells enabling brighter output, deeper blacks and a wider, more accurate, color gamut while using a fraction of the electricity. A lot of 2008 models (not all though) weren't full 1080p HD. Many were 1280x720 or 1360x768. Plasmas went out of fashion because they were heavier, used more power, and were more prone to burn in than OLED TVs. Plasmas also couldn't be built with a 4k resolution because the cells would be so small they wouldn't emit enough light to be usable.
@@griffensander Thanks, I really appreciate it, if you think of anything else let me know... that really helped.
@@DMX-PAT 2008ish TV's were also 2x or 3x as heavy as later plasmas. My 2008 50" Panasonic probably weighs 70#'s and is a monster to put up and is double the weight of my 2012 Samsung 60". I just found a 2011 42" panasonic on CL for 50$ and its going in the sunroom :). When they get older they make KILLER computer monitors because who cares about burn in and they dim a little which to me is easier on the eyes. I am about three foot from my 50' plasma as I type this and am doing another 50" for a computer room. I think its funny everybody walks around on their phones looking at a 2" screen when you can get a 50" computer screen for 300$ and an I-7 powerhouse CPU for 700$ "as much as their phones". My 2008 Panasonic is MUCH better TV than the 2012 Samsung. The speakers are night and day better, the glass is thicker, the quality is nuts compared to TV's today. We use it multiple times everyday sense 2008. If I had surround I would opt for an older 60" because I think most of the LG Samsung 2011-13 models had crap speakers to loose weight because they were competing with LCD in those days. I love how in 2004 a TV that was 10K is sitting on my wall for 700$ in 2011... and I still get great action with NO GHOSTING which is great for games on a computer. When I get lag its really lag and not the monitor lol.
@@PermacultureLongboarder Well said, that's really what it's all about is the older models. I need a list of the best models to look for because it's difficult to tell what you're getting on a kijiji add. The best way is check the back with the barcode thing that has the year it was made at least that way you can tell by the year and you know it's going to be halfway decent. But like you said the weight alone is a pain in the ass, but it's worth it. What plasma was 10k when it first came out, I want that one!! I would love to see more used TV repair shops out there catering the early plasma TV's but I'm just dreaming because people just go for what's new and cheap now...
Still rocking with a 2012 Panasonic. Still has great picture quality, but the brightness has declined with age-probably because I run the TV 24/7 (I think I’m subconsciously trying to burn it out to incentivize myself to invest in an OLED.
John Hooper hah, I will! I’ll comment back what they are! I’d imagine, God, in the hundreds of thousands, eesh.
Could I ask, what’s ur setup? Have a particular brand/type of television to recommend? (I’ll be needing a new one soon lol).
Hello .. Just purchased the Sony 65" A8H to replace my 60" Pioneer Elite Pro-151FD. Should be here Feb 16 2021. The Pioneer will not sold and will go into one of the bedrooms. The plasma is still an awesome TV.
I have 7 plasma TVs in my house. Mostly 2012 -2013 models. Incredible TVs. I do love my LG24GL600F gaming monitor though.
I have a 2004 Samsung plasma tv it’s a 42 inch and I. Remember how much they were new , I’m pretty sure mine was I like $4,600
My friend gave me his non working 60” LG 3D plasma, got it working and colors sure are more pleasing to the eyes than LED.
What plasma models do you recommend to be on the look out for? I love gaming too!
Any 2013 model. For Panasonic that would be the S60, ST60, VT60, and ZT60.
Since this video I've upgraded to the a 65" Panasonic S60 and absolutely love it. It's significantly better than the Samsung in this video.
is the tc p65v10 worth getting
Still rocking a 50” WEGA.
Found one next to the trash can. It works perfectly but if you get close enough you will see a horizontal almost faded away white line
I own a Sony that I bought just for $10 and it looks great, PS3 and Xbox 360 shines...PS4 too !
That's like the same t.v. u have and man it still works