Really appreciate the info and comparisons. Nearly picked up the 16-35 Zeiss as I know Potato Jet used that one a lot. But by the time I realized I should have gotten it, already had the G Master and couldn't justify buying the same focal range to save .35 pounds (150 grams). But going from the G Master to the PZ 16-35 f4 is a SIGNIFICANT weight reduction (340 grams or .75 pounds). You mentioned some things I didn't even consider that made me even happier for getting it. Not having the focal markings is annoying, but I really enjoy the feel of the zoom as it's more like an actual video lens. The one thing I wish Sony did better (unless they have already and I just don't realize it) is when transitioning from optical to digital zoom, there doesn't seem to be a way to make it feel like one continuous smooth motion. No matter what I did, it seemed to jump. So I shut off digital zoom completely.
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis yeah, the clear image is what I was playing with. I might have a goofy setting or something. Couldn’t figure out a way to make it look like one smooth motion. I’ll test it again.
Nice look at the lens! I was planning to get this lens to replace my 20mm 1.8 but after trying the new PZ I returned it and kept my 20mm. Because I'm used to the 20mm I felt the 16mm had too much warp to me when vlogging, so I was always wanting to push in... I did post a vlog with the 16-35 pz before returning it :) Besides the super wide 16 having some warp is was super crispy and sharp!
… great Video Mark! 👍🏻 And a very compact new 16-35 option for Sony with great IQ. It’s a perfect solution for the a1, a7S iii and a7 iv if you don’t need an f2.8 aperture. Nice for street photography also!
I own A7iii and thinking about buying new 16-35 PZ. I was worried about the lack of OSS, and your comparison with the old 16-35 Zeiss is exactly what I was looking for. Huge thanks for your work!
Super helpful, as I'm comparing these two lenses and wondered if the OSS would make a difference. Amazingly, the new PZ lens looks more stable with Active Steadyshot on the A7IV! Thank you for the help, now I know which one to get!
Thank you Mark! Another great review unfortunately I saw this after I bought the PZ for my new A7IV! No worries, my little ZVE-10 (Cousin Steve) is staying put...haha. Hope you're having a great weekend in the frozen tundra.
I like your point about not seeing the screen. I vlog on the fx3 or fx30 but once I have composition, I press record and hide the screen from my eyes so I force myself to look at the lens. That's probably why I like my Zeiss. Plus the Zeiss has a pop to it. the contrast.
I received my copy over the weekend and compared against the older Zeiss 16-35. The PZ seems wider (coming in at equivalent to approx 15mm relative to the zeiss - I haven’t done any actual FOV calculations). Is that something you noticed in testing?
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis Agreed. The uncorrected RAW on the PZ does certainly have a lot of headroom, but even accounting for that it’s wider than the Zeiss. Win! BTW, I should thank you for including the bit about circular filters and step-up rings not causing vignetting on the PZ; it decided things for me 👍
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis Hey 👍 that wasn't on my radar... and it's full frame. I wonder how it performs on APS-C up against the Sony 15mm, Sigma 16mm, and Viltrox's own 13mm 🤔
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis update... so I did order the Viltrox 16mm f1.8 (new off Amazon) but I'm sorry to say the AF has proven to be steaming hot garbage (hits focus point only about 10% of the time and that LCD screen distance indicator jumps around like crazy) so it's going back... it seems that Viltrox has some work to do on the quality control front. In sad despair, I found a used Sony Zeiss 16-35mm f4 FE OSS for just a hair under USD$438. Will see how it turns up on my doorstep...
Another great video, thank you. Would you be up for doing a video on how you set the ZV-E10 up for shooting both in the studio and when you’re vlogging outside? I often hear you talking about using the Paul Leeming LUT but I couldn’t find a video where you show how to do it, thanks.
in this video, I show to use HLG3 both with and without the LeemingLUT. it’s the same setup both in the studio and outside. th-cam.com/video/RVrEQPsFOpE/w-d-xo.html
Hey Mark!!! I like your channel very much!! Can you help me to decide between Sony 11mm 1.8 or Sigma 16mm 1.4? Because I want to buy a camera to travel, and I like to make videos showing the city, friends and me talking to the camera. I hope you see this and help me. It's difficult to decide. Greetings from Viña del Mar, Chile!
The 11mm is very wide and very small so it will be great for travelling and being close to the camera. the sigma 16 is amazing, but it’s bigger and heavier and is much tighter. go for the 11. I did a video on it you can check out if you haven’t already.
Mmm I can pick up the old one half price of the new second hand. Difficult one. I can get it for £469. The new one is £1299 here in UK (ripped off on prices here) but I can get it grey import for £875. I’m wanting to stick with Sony for this focal length due to the significantly better stabilisation over non Sony. I’d really like to see some cross lenses mass test on stabilisation- Sony v non Sony on ZVE1 across a whole range of lenses, that would be a great video!
Between the PZ and the Tamron 20-40/2.8 dropping... The OG 16-35/F4 used prices have just cratered. KEH even sent out an email saying they have too many of them in stock haha. So after buying the 24-105/F4 and assuming my budget was up... Low and behind the 16-35/F4 ZA can be had for $480 usd now. Thanks, PZ!
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis Yep! Even from Adorama and KEH they're down to $550 for used copies. Maybe a bit scuffed, but that's no big deal when the lens is so solidly built. Crazy bargain. People shoulda watched your video! The PZ is updated for sure.. but for $700 less the OSS version is an absolute steal.
Handsome review/comparison - as usual. Have you heard of the step up rings by Revoring? I own the 49mm-62mm model with a 67mm thread. Which allows me to use it on lenses with a thread mount between 49mm and 62mm with a 67mm filter. Most of my lenses have a 62mm thread and below. My ND/Polarized/ProMist filters are all 67mm. With the Revoring it prevents vignetting, because the filter itself is 67mm. The magic is in the self-contained spring-loaded Revoring. You twist the ring to "shrink" the thread, pop it on your lens, and let go, and the Revoring becomes mounted to the lens. Then, screw on your filter, and you're ready to go. Anyway...I thought I'd share that.
The way I shoot videos is to do a short clip and then power the camera off to save battery till the next clip. Does this PZ lens always reset zoom when powered off, or it can be restored once the camera powers on? It would be nice if the Zoom value was stored in memory presets as well. But I guess it is asking too much.
I had an opportunity to shoot this lens for a few sample images and compare the same scene and settings using the original 16-35F4 at F8 which I use frequently for landscapes. I shot both at 16mm, 24mm and 35 and even at 200-300 zooms didn't really see all that much difference. So maybe this new lens is sharper, as it should be but even if it is, I didn't see anything more than a very small difference in image quality.
yes, the old 16-35 has made many professional landscape photographers happy for years. I ended up keeping mine Because, like you said, image quality wise, it’s hard to notice a difference. size-wise - there’s. difference 🤣
It depends on what you already have. The 16-35 will be a big upgrade from the kit lens. But I would actually recommend the Sigma 18-50 2.8 as a replacement for the kit lens. Not quite as wide, but excellent and smaller and cheaper
If you take any shots inside - the sigma with the f2.8 will make a big difference. If everything is outside in the daylight - then the Sony would be my choice- the Sigma is great in that situation too - but the sony just has more reach and features.
Hi - I think that its crucial that you add to your review that the power zoom of this new lens WILL NOT function with those models from the menu - YOU CAN NOT SET THE ZOOM SPEED! I bought this lens and then had to return it. the quality of the lens is superb - but the fact that you can't control the speed from a gimbal or a remote is stupidly annoying and missing the main intention of the power zoom. the fx3 and even the zv10 can do it though.
I captured Milky Ways with the old with the A7S for years at f/4 always daytime like with stars! f/4 with Sony never a problem. Think about f/# like this at f/4 you can do a 20-25s getting pinpoint stars but going f/2.8 maybe 15s then again 1.8 10s then 1.4 8s to get pinpoint stars but all in all bright day like capture with pinpoint stars even at a Bortel zero area, I have always had to reduce exposure level in post to make it look real to others. Very rarely ever above ISO 6400, no matter the MP camera! Sony just kicks others to the curb!
It baffles me why 16-35mm lenses are a big deal. If you're trying to cover the focal range don't most midrange lenses start at 24-ish mm? Like a 24-70mm? I'm curious, do you think this lens is MUCH better than my Sigma 14-24mm? Both are similarly priced.
Quality wise the sigma will be just as good. But it is more than double the weight for the Sony system and is much less suited for gimbal work and the focus breathing is not as good. It is however much brighter at a 2.8. Both are great - just depends on your use. In terms of why people like the 16-35 - landscape and astrophotographers always want wider. There is a huge difference between 16 and the 24 of mid-range. Having the 16-35 gives you versatility for the field. Then of course you have the new content creation world which also requires a wide lens for closeup video.
the old one is much heavier. 518g for old vs 353g for the new. and the OSS doesn’t make a difference on the new cameras in my opinion. but I will be keeping the old one because I don’t want to spend any more money 🤣
@@Zettymaster people are constantly threatining me by new 16-35 gm release (which is not even a rumot) which I also bought recently. But at least it were 2k not 2.3k like initial release. I think sony need to release somethin new on longer end because current line up lacks options especially with new af systems
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Really appreciate the info and comparisons. Nearly picked up the 16-35 Zeiss as I know Potato Jet used that one a lot. But by the time I realized I should have gotten it, already had the G Master and couldn't justify buying the same focal range to save .35 pounds (150 grams). But going from the G Master to the PZ 16-35 f4 is a SIGNIFICANT weight reduction (340 grams or .75 pounds). You mentioned some things I didn't even consider that made me even happier for getting it. Not having the focal markings is annoying, but I really enjoy the feel of the zoom as it's more like an actual video lens. The one thing I wish Sony did better (unless they have already and I just don't realize it) is when transitioning from optical to digital zoom, there doesn't seem to be a way to make it feel like one continuous smooth motion. No matter what I did, it seemed to jump. So I shut off digital zoom completely.
on the new f4, the zoom in clear image zoom seemed to be pretty smooth. Have you tried it on the 16-35 pz?
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis yeah, the clear image is what I was playing with. I might have a goofy setting or something. Couldn’t figure out a way to make it look like one smooth motion. I’ll test it again.
Good test/review. I appreciate your combination of studio, outdoor and lens test chart
Nice look at the lens! I was planning to get this lens to replace my 20mm 1.8 but after trying the new PZ I returned it and kept my 20mm. Because I'm used to the 20mm I felt the 16mm had too much warp to me when vlogging, so I was always wanting to push in... I did post a vlog with the 16-35 pz before returning it :) Besides the super wide 16 having some warp is was super crispy and sharp!
Yeah - 16 is a bit much for me I find trying to Vlog. 20 is just about perfect
You always bring the humour. Love it. 👍
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Great video Mark !!! I just picked up this lens along with the FX6 and FX30 and I love it !!! Keep up the great work !!! 👍
… great Video Mark! 👍🏻 And a very compact new 16-35 option for Sony with great IQ. It’s a perfect solution for the a1, a7S iii and a7 iv if you don’t need an f2.8 aperture. Nice for street photography also!
I own A7iii and thinking about buying new 16-35 PZ. I was worried about the lack of OSS, and your comparison with the old 16-35 Zeiss is exactly what I was looking for. Huge thanks for your work!
Glad I could help!
Super helpful, as I'm comparing these two lenses and wondered if the OSS would make a difference. Amazingly, the new PZ lens looks more stable with Active Steadyshot on the A7IV! Thank you for the help, now I know which one to get!
Thank you Mark! Another great review unfortunately I saw this after I bought the PZ for my new A7IV! No worries, my little ZVE-10 (Cousin Steve) is staying put...haha. Hope you're having a great weekend in the frozen tundra.
I like your point about not seeing the screen. I vlog on the fx3 or fx30 but once I have composition, I press record and hide the screen from my eyes so I force myself to look at the lens. That's probably why I like my Zeiss. Plus the Zeiss has a pop to it. the contrast.
so hard to resist moving your eyes to that flip out screen!!
I received my copy over the weekend and compared against the older Zeiss 16-35. The PZ seems wider (coming in at equivalent to approx 15mm relative to the zeiss - I haven’t done any actual FOV calculations). Is that something you noticed in testing?
All the new Sony lenses do see, a tab wider than the stated focal length. I think they are doing that to leave more room for software corrections.
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis Agreed. The uncorrected RAW on the PZ does certainly have a lot of headroom, but even accounting for that it’s wider than the Zeiss. Win! BTW, I should thank you for including the bit about circular filters and step-up rings not causing vignetting on the PZ; it decided things for me 👍
Great review ..! Any other wide options for FF on your radar screen? Excellent points on the filter issue... 👍
Yes - that viltrox 16mm 1.8 looks amazing amzn.to/3JZCxM6
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis Hey 👍 that wasn't on my radar... and it's full frame. I wonder how it performs on APS-C up against the Sony 15mm, Sigma 16mm, and Viltrox's own 13mm 🤔
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis update... so I did order the Viltrox 16mm f1.8 (new off Amazon) but I'm sorry to say the AF has proven to be steaming hot garbage (hits focus point only about 10% of the time and that LCD screen distance indicator jumps around like crazy) so it's going back... it seems that Viltrox has some work to do on the quality control front. In sad despair, I found a used Sony Zeiss 16-35mm f4 FE OSS for just a hair under USD$438. Will see how it turns up on my doorstep...
I don't have a full frame but I still watched this video from start to finish. So I liked it.
Thanks!! a lot of my regular viewers DID NOT watch this video - so I really appreciate you!! 😀
Hi Mark, from how many milimeters can we consider that it's not a wide angle lens anymore? Is a 30mm lens still a wide angle lens? Thank you.
Hi, great video, un My country the 16-35 Zeiss justo $1044 and this one 16-35 G $1234, worth the $200 more? Thanks it's for My Sony zve1 😊
yes - worth it. Much sharper, less focus breathing, way smaller and power zoom
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis ok thanks ill Buy it
Another great video, thank you. Would you be up for doing a video on how you set the ZV-E10 up for shooting both in the studio and when you’re vlogging outside? I often hear you talking about using the Paul Leeming LUT but I couldn’t find a video where you show how to do it, thanks.
in this video, I show to use HLG3 both with and without the LeemingLUT. it’s the same setup both in the studio and outside. th-cam.com/video/RVrEQPsFOpE/w-d-xo.html
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis great thanks will check it out
tamron 11-20 vs sony 10-20 pls! love your videos, mark
Coming soon!
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis yaaay that’s the only thing i've been waiting for before i pull the trigger hehe thanks for what you do, mark :)
Hey Mark!!! I like your channel very much!! Can you help me to decide between Sony 11mm 1.8 or Sigma 16mm 1.4? Because I want to buy a camera to travel, and I like to make videos showing the city, friends and me talking to the camera. I hope you see this and help me. It's difficult to decide. Greetings from Viña del Mar, Chile!
The 11mm is very wide and very small so it will be great for travelling and being close to the camera. the sigma 16 is amazing, but it’s bigger and heavier and is much tighter. go for the 11. I did a video on it you can check out if you haven’t already.
Canada Day🍁 vs. Camera Day 📷. Clear choice for me as well... 😂👌
Mmm I can pick up the old one half price of the new second hand. Difficult one. I can get it for £469. The new one is £1299 here in UK (ripped off on prices here) but I can get it grey import for £875. I’m wanting to stick with Sony for this focal length due to the significantly better stabilisation over non Sony. I’d really like to see some cross lenses mass test on stabilisation- Sony v non Sony on ZVE1 across a whole range of lenses, that would be a great video!
Between the PZ and the Tamron 20-40/2.8 dropping... The OG 16-35/F4 used prices have just cratered. KEH even sent out an email saying they have too many of them in stock haha.
So after buying the 24-105/F4 and assuming my budget was up... Low and behind the 16-35/F4 ZA can be had for $480 usd now. Thanks, PZ!
wow - what a bargain. so many pro photographers have used that lens and to get it for $480??
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis Yep! Even from Adorama and KEH they're down to $550 for used copies. Maybe a bit scuffed, but that's no big deal when the lens is so solidly built. Crazy bargain. People shoulda watched your video! The PZ is updated for sure.. but for $700 less the OSS version is an absolute steal.
Mark my friend...
What F stop do you shoot in with the ZVE?
The studio looks great and Im trying to get a shot similar to your videos!
@@ShaunHolden I like f2.
Handsome review/comparison - as usual.
Have you heard of the step up rings by Revoring? I own the 49mm-62mm model with a 67mm thread. Which allows me to use it on lenses with a thread mount between 49mm and 62mm with a 67mm filter. Most of my lenses have a 62mm thread and below. My ND/Polarized/ProMist filters are all 67mm. With the Revoring it prevents vignetting, because the filter itself is 67mm. The magic is in the self-contained spring-loaded Revoring. You twist the ring to "shrink" the thread, pop it on your lens, and let go, and the Revoring becomes mounted to the lens. Then, screw on your filter, and you're ready to go. Anyway...I thought I'd share that.
Thanks!! I did not know about them. Will look into it.
great comparison, weight decrease & optical improvements are impressive
definitely
The way I shoot videos is to do a short clip and then power the camera off to save battery till the next clip. Does this PZ lens always reset zoom when powered off, or it can be restored once the camera powers on? It would be nice if the Zoom value was stored in memory presets as well. But I guess it is asking too much.
Unfortunately it resets every time. Hopefully they can add this in a firmware update
Been curious if I should grab a wide zoom or just grab a wide prime. My main set up is the Sigma 24-70. Always appreciate the content !
20mm 1.8 it is
I had an opportunity to shoot this lens for a few sample images and compare the same scene and settings using the original 16-35F4 at F8 which I use frequently for landscapes. I shot both at 16mm, 24mm and 35 and even at 200-300 zooms didn't really see all that much difference. So maybe this new lens is sharper, as it should be but even if it is, I didn't see anything more than a very small difference in image quality.
yes, the old 16-35 has made many professional landscape photographers happy for years. I ended up keeping mine Because, like you said, image quality wise, it’s hard to notice a difference. size-wise - there’s. difference 🤣
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis Mark...yep it is a nice compact package that does save you some weight.
Hello Mark. I want to use the Sony PZ 16-35mm f4G on the ZV-e10. will the film quality get any better?
It depends on what you already have. The 16-35 will be a big upgrade from the kit lens. But I would actually recommend the Sigma 18-50 2.8 as a replacement for the kit lens. Not quite as wide, but excellent and smaller and cheaper
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis . Thanks Mark That helps me. Greetings from Germany to Canada.
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis . I forgot to write. I don't have a ZV-e10 yet. I like the Sony lens better because of the zoom button
well - yes if you want to use the zoom rocker you will need a Pz - the power zoom. So the 16-35 is a good way to go,
I’m trying to decide between the 16-35mm f4 PZ or the Sigma 16-28 f2.8 for my real estate photography. What would you go with?
If you take any shots inside - the sigma with the f2.8 will make a big difference. If everything is outside in the daylight - then the Sony would be my choice- the Sigma is great in that situation too - but the sony just has more reach and features.
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis Most would be interior photos, with some exterior photos. I also plan on getting a gimble for walkthroughs and whatnot.
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis Went and picked up the 16-35mm f4 pz 🙌🏼🙌🏼
@@mattym2210 It'll be great - especially on a gimbal
Which one would you prefer for architectural shots, and if they are going to be printed? Sigma 16 28 tamron 17 28 sony 16 35 zeiss
pretty useful and unique video
Hi - I think that its crucial that you add to your review that the power zoom of this new lens WILL NOT function with those models from the menu - YOU CAN NOT SET THE ZOOM SPEED! I bought this lens and then had to return it. the quality of the lens is superb - but the fact that you can't control the speed from a gimbal or a remote is stupidly annoying and missing the main intention of the power zoom. the fx3 and even the zv10 can do it though.
I captured Milky Ways with the old with the A7S for years at f/4 always daytime like with stars! f/4 with Sony never a problem. Think about f/# like this at f/4 you can do a 20-25s getting pinpoint stars but going f/2.8 maybe 15s then again 1.8 10s then 1.4 8s to get pinpoint stars but all in all bright day like capture with pinpoint stars even at a Bortel zero area, I have always had to reduce exposure level in post to make it look real to others. Very rarely ever above ISO 6400, no matter the MP camera! Sony just kicks others to the curb!
Pretty cool that there is zero focus breathing on that lens.
Gerald undone and his dastardly truck test! 14:45
Really scuffs up the lenses 🤣
It baffles me why 16-35mm lenses are a big deal. If you're trying to cover the focal range don't most midrange lenses start at 24-ish mm? Like a 24-70mm? I'm curious, do you think this lens is MUCH better than my Sigma 14-24mm? Both are similarly priced.
Quality wise the sigma will be just as good. But it is more than double the weight for the Sony system and is much less suited for gimbal work and the focus breathing is not as good. It is however much brighter at a 2.8. Both are great - just depends on your use. In terms of why people like the 16-35 - landscape and astrophotographers always want wider. There is a huge difference between 16 and the 24 of mid-range. Having the 16-35 gives you versatility for the field. Then of course you have the new content creation world which also requires a wide lens for closeup video.
they are a big deal for vlogging. You need 16 to go handheld and not have your head take up 80% of the frame!
I comment on TH-cam videos
The algorithm is hip to you. it knows you don’t mean it.
12:44 I wonder how it’d be with the A7S iii
It would be great
So dumb and pretty.......haha...I ordered my Sony PZ, can't wait to get it in!
PZ!! That’s should be fun
You know mark I own ZERO Sony lens for my ZVE10 only sigma and tamron
ha. yeah, my only apsc lenses are from Sigma and viltrox. Sony ignored APS-C lenses for a long time. they are catching up now.
"drinking apple juice" 😂
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In your case I keeper the old version is OSS not heavy and for me is good Sony is made new version is mor heavy and not OSS.
the old one is much heavier. 518g for old vs 353g for the new. and the OSS doesn’t make a difference on the new cameras in my opinion. but I will be keeping the old one because I don’t want to spend any more money 🤣
Sony is probably literally creating 24-105 f4 pz
That’d be interesting
that'd be a bummer, i just got myself a 24-105 F4 ^^
@@Zettymaster people are constantly threatining me by new 16-35 gm release (which is not even a rumot) which I also bought recently. But at least it were 2k not 2.3k like initial release. I think sony need to release somethin new on longer end because current line up lacks options especially with new af systems
Dogs lipstick gross dude lol
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