Should we be proud of the British Empire - BBC The Big Questions - Jagraj Singh
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- Sikh PA arranged for Jagraj Singh to appear on BBC's The Big Question show where they asked the question: Should we be proud of the British Empire? #bbctbq
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Jagraj Singh should always be remembered how he was in this video. A true Sikh in his prime, powerful in presence and humble in his replies. If ever we needed an exemplary example of what we Sikhs should aspire to this is it. I hope he is at one now with Waheguru Ji. Thank you for waking us up to the glory of our Sikh heritage and past Jagraj Singh!
Balraj Bains ...how can that lalwani idiot call British empire a civilizing mission.....BC was the empire an NGO.....what was civilizing about the Jallianwala bagh massacre .......that too on a community which had shown so much valor in battle of sargarhi
@Balraj I’m really sad to read Jagraj Singh has passed away. Too young to have gone. May God rest his soul. I’m a Muslim. I watched his Y Tube video debating with Muslim guys (think Ali Dawa) at Speakers Corner in London. The eloquence and humanity Jagraj conveyed whilst conveying the message of Sikhism truly impressed me. His message of Sikhi made me like the teachings of Sikhism. I’ve not converted but have established a new found understanding and appreciation for Sikhi.
+Raees Khan good to read your words..✌
yup..bhai jagraj singh...was a great human being. .always humble sensible ..
I miss his presence in this evil world.
RIP jagraj bhai.
He is dead!!! Why and how?
I'm just a white English guy (with a bit of Irish in me as well) and I'm not a Sikh but I wanted to say one thing. I have total love and respect for the Sikhs. I visited a Sikh temple and was warmly welcomed, offered food and the people were so kind, humble and warm. I love you guys for your contribution to the UK, your peaceful way of life and the warmth that Sikhs exude. I won't get into other religions but when it comes to Sikhs they put into action what they say and they feed the homeless and do a tremendous amount of good for the UK. Thank you and we recognise what you do and thank you for it. Well that's what I wanted to say and thanks for listening. From Dan❤
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The extent of education in all of India in 1947 was between 10 to 15%.
Average life expectancy was below 30 yrs of age. And the whole country was drained to the bone supporting 2 world wars, which were not even remotely related to us.
Indians went to fight for food, their families got a few shillings by putting their lives on the line. 1/3 of all the British army that fought around the world in a deeply discriminating army was Indian & large large part of them went missing, died in unknown places.
All of Europe except UK, all of China, South Korea & Japan & Russia do not need English to progress.
While on the other hand Africa, South America, India grow very slowly because they adopted the colonizers language in to studying Science & Maths which need better understanding of concepts.
Sati & Caste & Johar are neither part of Hindu scriptures, nor of normal human lives up untill 1200AD.
They came into existence from the Delhi sultanat & thereafter when the invading armies would rape even dead bodies & society was run by subjugation and slave trade. Historically there is hardly a handful of recorded cases of Sati.
India even though it was divided into different princely states, had a common social & cultural fabric.
People of all kinds of beliefs lived together without fighting over belief systems, so we knew democracy long long before these wetserners could ever think of liberating others.
Real Decolonization would be decolonizing peoples minds. If the British left the country to a bunch of thugs who sucked up to them and supported their interests in running those companies that they still held in those colonies, you could never achieve that, things go from worse to worst...est.
And that sick old man is certainly not Sikh.
He sold Jallianwala baug, Bhagat Singh, Lala Lajpatrai to a cosy job, few pounds & citizenship. And the British education system & Communists have successfully created a huge bunch of those apologetic_inferiority_complex colonized minds.
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@Holy Jones what a despicable thing to say !!! Clearly it is people like you who are taking the country backwards.
By the way, what he sed is truth about sikhs. Sikhs and parsis are minorities here in india but they hv tremendous contribution to the society... u must be an illiterate racist to say such things !!!!
@@persaud1 Stop talking rubbish. India was not Wakanda before the British Empire. It was only conquerable by tiny Britain because it was riven by sectarian infighting, competing kingdoms and backward social systems
My cousin is founder of the charity called Hope.
They distribute food to the homeless all over the UK,.as well as Xmas gifts for the homeless. He is dedicated to bettering the lives of those who have little to nothing.
Please make contributions.💕💕💕🙏🏼🙏🏼
@@persaud1 maybe you forgot it was a world war.....japanese were taking over the carribean......mussolini was heading toward India......and hitler was heading to europe......we don't sit back when we know the dangers facing peoples where ever they are....It was everyones fight , british also was drained helping those in europe like france , poland and all the others hitler was conquering thru war and millions died defending......yh mussolini was in africa.....we lost thousands there.......the low rate of peoples dying in your country is thru famine and religous wars.....that are still going on today. We are proud of our history.....Oh and china still kills its own people....south korea progressed because of western influence....japans old people live on the streets they also live in cages.....oh dear.....And russia got on after perystroyka.....meaning it left its communist ways and changed......in other words it was modernising......like we all do except those backward countries where they got independance and declined ever since.....Islam are killing indians quicker than any world war could......but hey ignore the fact all peoples want to get to the UK......You can't judge the past by todays standards.
As a white Englishman who is ex service I admire this man greatly , I wish I had the honour to have met him so I could have shaken his hand . Rip sir a very great great man .
England is a nation of idol worshipers. God said, "Neither Adulterers, Fornicators, Homosexuals, liars, thieves, gossipers, murderers, blasphemers, usurpers, or idol worshipers will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. God set down laws, teachings & judgments depicting what was allowed & what was forbidden. Man was told to 'choose' whom he would serve between good or evil. Sin is not OF God, but sin is OF evil; evil will not be allowed in eternal Heaven. God put his laws into every man's heart, therefore, everyone born on earth 'knows' good from evil, they only pretend that they don't. Christ's entire purpose was to remove man's sin nature & teach him to let go of living out the lies of the world by thinking, speaking, & doing the things AS they are done in Heaven, not AS they are done in Hell. When man rejects God's teachings, laws & judgments, he is 'choosing' to embrace the contradictions of Satin by worshiping in the kingdom of Evil. It's a CHOICE.
Great show very well done people having a civilized debate , showing the the British for what is was !
Great show ! Loved it but the Northern Irish guy came a cross a bit sectarian with the loyalist view point , still not his fault just the way he was brought up .
@Guttural Tuttle you are the definition of stupid . Go spread your vile comments elsewhere.
One of my greatest achievements in life is and will always be that I got to do exactly that. He came to my local temple one day and I wanted to meet him to thank him for changing my life. I was running late but I got to bump into him just as he was leaving and I got to say fateh to him and say thank you. I will always be grateful for god for giving me that gift, I hope to make him proud of me one day.
I’m a Bradford born Irish immigrant, I watched as Bradford moved from being a polish Irish immigrant society to a Pakistani Indian dominated city, and I must say I’m very pro Sikh. In my opinion they are the true tigers of Asia. A moral and dedicated Asian “tribe” that the west has forgot how to be so dedicated and cultured.. “a higher standard of human”.
I think the Sikh guy on the left forgot to study the Sikh empire
he is an uncle tom
Bristish built first university??? Has he heard about Nalanda??
Super Singh lol he’s a embarrassment to Sikhs man
British, Sikhism and Mogul and more ....
All did good and bad.
And most were selfish 😂😂😂
tantrich also TAXILA University
RIP Mr Jagraj Sing
such a nice man and passed at such a young age (38)
Uncle Ruckus what who told u ?
@@parmindersinghtiwana I read on numerous web sites
Uncle Ruckus
we indian sikhs r not aware
😢😢 🙏 British killed him ?
Mohammad Ali cancer
I’m white English and I’m not a practicing Christian but I always have a lot of respect for Sikhs and Sikhism. I respect the peacefulness, humility and dignity of their faith and their people
@@alex17252 thank you for the recommendations, they sound interesting 👍
Please people don't seem to understand something they always blame British/white culture this is not the answer.. (yes I'm white but please go ahead and read anyway)
British culture is the only culture that is all about competition we do it to ourselves we do not act together as one culture among ourselves we only appear as one culture to outside cultures as they themselves could not imagine us being separate as we act so similar from their perspectives, and that every other culture is mostly inclusive of people in its own culture and less competitive among themselves, that is why they refer to us as one culture even though we see ourselves (white/wester/British culture whatever you want to call it) as all separate people, which in fact are, but we also have our own culture we are somewhat blind to and this is just because we are not that friendly among each other either haha! As perhaps some other cultures might encourage rather we go more towards competitive cabalism with schooling systems for example etc etc..colonialism
See this competitive culture is one of our cultures biggest weakness (and yes this is an attribute of our culture but not the whole thing like we also contribute a lot of important things and good qualities and have many good people among us, but it is an invisible culture to us, call it western culture whatever its not just white) Who knows how this competitive nature started or why it is part of this culture only thing that matters is don't feel guilty because our family history is linked whatever (we did not choose where we were born after all this is not our fault) but acknowledge it as a problem, and a problem this culture that we are a part of now has done and acted like in the past; like the lady said in the video.
And may I add to this point that it is we should be HUMBLE and be able to HUMBLE ourselves in every way may I add, (this is for everyone not just our culture but especially for people with a competitive nature like is common in these cultures) and we should work together to do this and on ourselves alone for each has his/her own responsibility of his/her own for themselves! For no one should blame themselves or feel guilty for what they cannot control but to it is important for our culture and for everyone be strong enough to accept acknowledgement (especially this predominantly white / western culture (that I was personally born in)) and then MOVE ON one step at a time and start with small changes like giving queens diamond back to where it originated from and moving on one small change at a time like this hopefully everything moves towards unity after some time even though it may look chaotic to begin with because the only real truth at the end of the day it ONE LOVE.
Everything comes after that like respect parents, elders, treat neighbour as thyself and respect religion, for why they were originally created not just how they are/were used, always see the good in people, have good morals, be humble patient, give yourself the benefit of the doubt, learn to forgive, believe in god, possibly follow a religion to help you with this and develop your faith / belonging etc etc etc We were all born with a certain amount of goodness inside of us and morals it is society that changes us but it must start from the ground up one small step at a time :) :)
@@jakkuwolfinsomnia8058 dont listen to him he is a bot he is spamming that constantly
@@ramp597 oh okay thanks for the heads up. Bot or no bot there’s some nice gestures in there
@Guttural Tuttle With all due respect, that’s a Fascist’s perception of ethnicity. There are many English people who are mixed ethnicity: Asian, African etc so there’s not just white English people. What you’re saying is racist, not all English people are white
British Empire did do a lot of good... good for their own people using the blood and suffering and lives of others. The railways were only built to transport goods from India to the UK. The Universities were only built to educate a small number of people in English in order to help with translation and governance of the country. Every so-called good thing they left in their departure is only because they couldn't take it with them, and the fact that it is has helped the country is much to the credit of the country's population for making use of them.
It is absolutely ridiculous to call teaching people English as an achievement. Why, is English such a great language? If China invaded the UK tomorrow, forced everyone to learn Chinese, tortured, abused, and maimed them for almost two centuries, and went back to their countries and proudly declared teaching Chinese as an achievement, can there be anything more twisted?
The exact same thing is true about supposedly decreasing social tensions in the countries by bringing the different people together, because they only did that in order to fight the empire off. It is like if two friends are having disagreements and problems in their relationship, and I come try to kill them with a knife, and they work together to drive me off, would they be grateful to me for helping them look past their differences? It is completely ridiculous.
Nobody is calling for the current British people to feel guilty and apologise for the mistakes of their predecessors, but not being proud of an Empire built on blood, and teaching children proper history in school would be a better way to live to stop history repeating itself. Every empire has a bloody history no doubt, but people aren't proud of every empire and calling it a force for good.
I agree 100% ...except for the last sentence. I think people have always been proud of Empires. We still praise the Egyptian, Roman, Greek etc
I watched this the whole way through and i've come to the conclusion that the British empire was a force of good , the world world be worse off if there wasn't an empire
Genocidal, warmongering Britain is arguably the most evil nation/union/kingdom in the history of the world. BRITAIN HAS COMMITTED GENOCIDES ACROSS FIVE CONTINENTS (from neighbouring Ireland in Europe to North America to Africa to Asia to Oceania), a fact they shamelessly continue to deny.
Britain has commited so many crimes against humanity (and crimes against the planet), it would take several volumes of books to explain their countless acts of cruelty.
Britain (and it's predecessor state) has committed multiple genocides in neighbouring Ireland, from the Cromwellian conquest of Ireland to the Great Irish famine/genocide to the murdering and torturing of Irish Republicans by the Black and Tans to murdering innocent civilians in the Dublin Monaghan bombings and the civilians gunned down in two Bloody Sundays in Ireland (google all of it).
Britain was the second largest enslaver in the Trans-Atlantic slave trade, a trade which resulted in the deaths of millions of African slaves as they were treated like cattle and worked to near death. Britain abolished slavery after paying reparations not to the slaves but to the slave owners!!!. Britain continued with slavery in another name with indentured labour, where the plight of the labourers was no better than that of the slaves. Britain maintained concentration camps in the Boer War where tens of thousands of men, women and children perished (google 'Boer war concentration camp'). Britain committed genocide in the 1950s in Kenya (google 'Caroline Elkins Imperial Reckoning'). In addition to committing slavery and genocide in Africa, Britain looted the resources of several African countries and stole away countless valuable artefacts, artefacts which the British Museum shamelessly continues to possess.
During their rule in India, Britain siphoned off 45 trillions dollars in today's money (watch the VICE video on it). Hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of Indian rebels were tortured and murdered in the aftermath of the 1857 war of independence (entire rebel towns were 'cleansed'). Tens of millions of Indians starved to death during the dozens of famines as the inhumane British rulers looked away. In modern day Sri Lanka, in the aftermath of the Uva rebellion, the entire male population was put to death (google 'Uva rebellion'). The Bengal Famine of 1943 was genocide committed by a genocidal racist bastard called Winston Churchill (google 'Madhushree Mukherjee Churchill's Secret War'). The British murdered countless innocent civilians in massacres like Jallianwala Bagh massacre, Quissa Khwani Bazaar massacre, Pathorughat Massacre (google them all; these are the ones we know of, imagine the countless massacres Britain destroyed all records of). British forces murdered tens of thousands of Indians during the Quit India movement. In China, Britain fought the Opium Wars. Britain also used 'divide and rule' to turn different groups against each other. Btw, all the railways, ports, infrastructure Britain built in India were to help them transport the resources it stole.
Britain committed genocide in North America (google 'small pox infected blanket).
Britain committed genocide in Oceania (google 'British genocide in Australia').
If you thought that was all in the distant past, think of the Iraq War in 2003 twenty years ago where the UK illegally invaded and killed thousands of Iraqis. Also think of the bombing of Libya by British warplanes, the funding of Al Nusra by Britain (google 'Britain Al Nusra').
Britain is a shameless, genocidal, warmongering nation that continues to deny, deflect and obfuscate it's countless crimes against humanity.
The British Empire literally abolished slavery in most of the world. Absolutely idiotic nonsense they never did anything good lmao. The main task of the royal navy for half century was to literally patrol the African coast to catch slave traders christ.
Few things should make you feel proud of any nation/empire, but spearheading the effort to stop the global slavery, something that had NEVER been done before, is something the British should be immensely proud of.
Bullshit mr
Why were they all interupting while Jagraj was speaking? He was being respectful and let the others speak even though their views on the sikh empire were false.
it hurts thier empire ego when someone speak bitter truth about harsh reality i also notice that they aren't giving chance him to speak continuously. hitler was also can't capable to comparison to this brutle people.
Because it’s hard to hear truth.
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The extent of education in all of India in 1947 was between 10 to 15%.
Average life expectancy was below 30 yrs of age. And the whole country was drained to the bone supporting 2 world wars, which were not even remotely related to us.
Indians went to fight for food, their families got a few shillings by putting their lives on the line. 1/3 of all the British army that fought around the world in a deeply discriminating army was Indian & large large part of them went missing, died in unknown places.
And of course they could not pull out the railway lines, take away the railway boggies & post offices when they left. Whatever social policing acts they might have put in place was the relentless efforts of Indians and also a large part of it was exaggerated propaganda to hide or justify their loot & genocides & forcibly closing local industries to sell their own goods.
All of Europe except UK, all of China, South Korea & Japan & Russia do not need English to progress.
While on the other hand Africa, South America, India grow very slowly because they adopted the colonizers language in to studying Science & Maths which need better understanding of concepts.
Sati & Caste & Johar are neither part of Hindu scriptures, nor of normal human lives up untill 1200AD.
They came into existence from the Delhi sultanat & thereafter when the invading armies would rape even dead bodies & society was run by subjugation and slave trade. Historically there is hardly a handful of recorded cases of Sati.
India even though it was divided into different princely states, had a common social & cultural fabric.
People of all kinds of beliefs lived together without fighting over belief systems, so we knew democracy long long before these wetserners could ever think of liberating others.
Real Decolonization would be decolonizing peoples minds. If the British left the country to a bunch of thugs who sucked up to them and supported their interests in running those companies that they still held in those colonies, you could never achieve that, things go from worse to worst...est.
And that sick old man is certainly not Sikh.
He sold Jallianwala baug, Bhagat Singh, Lala Lajpatrai to a cosy job, few pounds & citizenship. And the British education system & Communists have successfully created a huge bunch of those apologetic_inferiority_complex colonized minds.
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@@persaud1 Wow amazing that tiny little Britain was capable of doing all that to a billion Indians 🤔🙄
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There r a lot f reasons for that.
And reasons vary from every province to every state to every part of the world.
There's diversity, there's simplicity & lack of cruel merciless tactics, there's internal quarrels & there were lack of fighting armies & arms & strategies to destroy enemy resources.
One thing was & is common. The desperacy to exploit.
It has & still has a large impact on the common people & society & thoughts in every small thing they do or choose in their daily lives.
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Yes, Jagraj Singh, the British army officer, is a great Sikh. Sad to learn of his passing. Rest In Peace Brother 💚 Bole So Nihal. Sat Sri Akal 💐
England is a nation of idol worshipers. God said, "Neither Adulterers, Fornicators, Homosexuals, liars, thieves, gossipers, murderers, blasphemers, usurpers, or idol worshipers will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. God set down laws, teachings & judgments depicting what was allowed & what was forbidden. Man was told to 'choose' whom he would serve between good or evil. Sin is not OF God, but sin is OF evil; evil will not be allowed in eternal Heaven. God put his laws into every man's heart, therefore, everyone born on earth 'knows' good from evil, they only pretend that they don't. Christ's entire purpose was to remove man's sin nature & teach him to let go of living out the lies of the world by thinking, speaking, & doing the things AS they are done in Heaven, not AS they are done in Hell. When man rejects God's teachings, laws & judgments, he is 'choosing' to embrace the contradictions of Satin by worshiping in the kingdom of Evil. It's a CHOICE.
I'm from a former French colony, my ancestors fought a bloody war for our independant, but I must admit, if my country managed to build an empire like the Brits did, I would brag about in whole day lol, with the little land my ancestors conquered, people are already very proud.
I wish that this sort of brotherhood and debate could have prevailed back then. The world today would be a heaven for us.
Loved the show, discussion, openess of accepting the good and bad. Above all the professionalism with which the host invited his guest for the talks.
Please people don't seem to understand something they always blame British/white culture this is not the answer.. (yes I'm white but please go ahead and read anyway)
British culture is the only culture that is all about competition we do it to ourselves we do not act together as one culture among ourselves we only appear as one culture to outside cultures as they themselves could not imagine us being separate as we act so similar from their perspectives, and that every other culture is mostly inclusive of people in its own culture and less competitive among themselves, that is why they refer to us as one culture even though we see ourselves (white/wester/British culture whatever you want to call it) as all separate people, which in fact are, but we also have our own culture we are somewhat blind to and this is just because not that friendly among each other either haha! As perhaps some other cultures might encourage rather we go more towards competitive cabalism with schooling systems for example etc etc..colonialism
See this competitive culture is one of our cultures biggest weakness (and yes this is an attribute of our culture but not the whole thing like we also contribute a lot of important things and good qualities and have many good people among us, but it is an invisible culture to us, call it western culture whatever its not just white) Who knows how this competitive nature started or why it is part of this culture only thing that matters is don't feel guilty because our family history is linked whatever (we did not choose where we were born after all this is not our fault) but acknowledge it as a problem, and a problem this culture that we are a part of now has done and acted like in the past; like the lady said in the video.
And may I add to this point that it is we should be HUMBLE and be able to HUMBLE ourselves in every way may I add, (this is for everyone not just our culture but especially for people with a competitive nature like is common in these cultures) and we should work together to do this and on ourselves alone for each has his/her own responsibility of his/her own for themselves! For no one should blame themselves or feel guilty for what they cannot control but to it is important for our culture and for everyone be strong enough to accept acknowledgement (especially this predominantly white / western culture (that I was personally born in)) and then MOVE ON one step at a time and start with small changes like giving queens diamond back to where it originated from and moving on one small change at a time like this hopefully everything moves towards unity after some time even though it may look chaotic to begin with because the only real truth at the end of the day it ONE LOVE.
Everything comes after that like respect parents, elders, treat neighbour as thyself and respect religion, for why they were originally created not just how they are/were used, always see the good in people, have good morals, be humble patient, give yourself the benefit of the doubt, learn to forgive, believe in god, possibly follow a religion to help you with this and develop your faith / belonging etc etc etc We were all born with a certain amount of goodness inside of us and morals it is society that changes us but it must start from the ground up one small step at a time :)
if these people dont like my country why dont they eff off home ?????????????????????????
Dr. Kartar Lalvani Lost his credibility when he said that, First University was built by British in India. No thanks, heard enough of you sir.
Well did u confirm?
@@gman4074 Nalanda university was formed way before than that
@@pratyushranjanroul4400 But that university was also a religious institution and not a university of the modern standard.
@@Teadon86 haha mate it was the biggest University in Asia and included records on algebra , decimal system and also cosmic science etc , by your logic St Xavier's University isn't a university just because it's religious?
@@chromatron5230 Sigh. Why do people like you bite?
The first true university was founded in Europe. Before this European institution, there was something that arguable can be defined as universities and those were often private institutions maintained and administrated by one head figure, a scholar or learned individual - such as the Islamic madrasas. However, before this type of institution, in Europe, there already existed communities of scholars, especially in Greece and Italy, that held public sessions and openly discussed the natural philosophies. They also hold private lessons to anyone rich enough to afford it or intelligent enough to warrant providing free tutelage.
This means that a university can be any person considered learned/gifted who teaches others. This includes shamans and mystics. This is why I scoff at the notion that some soon-to-be-slaughtered-for-almost-a-thousand-years Indian scholars are the first true university professors when the loose concept used to justify this dumb notion allows the inclusions of pure-bred retards to be seen by contemporary man as university professors of their time. Maybe that is the ticket allowing such an absurd understanding: " . . . of their time."
By the way, you know nothing about the many origins of algebra, nor do you know that the algebra we use today was developed in Europe. You do not know the different types of algebra and why this matters to the claim of who's the originator. I'm sure you're dumb enough to argue that just because some ancient civilizations outside of Europe had simple toys that could 'fly' they invented the airplane or proved the concept of flight. Like that Chinese maniac who blew himself to pieces but did achieve a short flight before fertilizing the field that was so undignifiedly covered in human chunks. Or maybe you'd argue that the kite is the proof of concept and therefore it is legitimate to argue that the first Chinese kitemaker is the father/mother of flight. But then, what is there to deny the claim that the first European who fell down a cliff and his/her clothing interacting with the air created enough drag to slow them down so they survived the drop was the originator behind the proof of concept? Nothing. This is why one should be very careful before they go about claiming in a frenzy who's the originator.
Cosmic science? What? I can define a lot as "cosmic science". People across the globe have studied the stars, used them for navigation, named them, tried to calculate their sizes, their distances, and so on - this means that the Vikings were studying "cosmic sciences" when they navigated by the stars and made stories about them. Since cosmology and astrology are so broad in their origin, and how one can tie archeological evidence to either of these sciences, this means that bone fragments with etchings showing lines and dots are enough to attribute as a study in either or both these fields. This means that cosmology can be whatever bullshit religious story to explain everything. So whatever, call your bullshit stories astrology and cosmology if it makes you feel good. Although, you have to ignore the Nebra sky disk found in Northern Europe as the first true example of a study in astrology and it is also the oldest depiction of cosmos. Neither do you care for how each culture developed and treated these two subjects; some culture's understanding and development of these two subjects were practical, some were mystical, and some intellectual.
The concept of a decimal system is not new to Europe, this is because Europeans have hands with ten fingers (the last should be considered a pleonasm). Not even back when Arabs and other types of non-Europeans were slaughtering and enslaving Europeans, and accidentally introduced new symbols and reintroducing old concepts, this concept was new. In Europe, there existed abstract decimal systems but they did not use the concept of zero as the Indians or Chinese did; instead, Europeans debated the role and use of the zero in a mathematical system, how to represent it and why. What this led to was very cumbersome mathematical representations of zero, if it was used at all. Arguably, the first true origin of the concept of zero we use today is from China, about 1400BC, by using bamboo sticks.
St Xavier's University is based on the modern university system. Not even missing the mark, are we?
Only jagrat sikh stood for the Indians and also Anandita Ghosh, but also some british guys in the audience(younger Brits).
The other singh was acting as a british puppet.
Chintan And what’s wrong with that??
@@chintan5637 I support a "Khalistan" too an area / sovreign state that is controlled by baptized sikhs
Chintan well your first comment was dead just a meaningless statement so I gave my stance to see why you commented about Khalistan like it’s a bad thing
@@kurransingh7436 Do you support Khalistan as separate country?
Or
Do you desire some special rights from the Indian constitution?
Please elaborate on that.
Just Random Human A khalistan that is it’s own self governed state it would be ideal if it was still part of india just like Vatican and Italy but the way Indian government has treated Punjab and it’s people having a special agenda when it comes to people protesting peacefully asking for the constitution to be followed and to stop oppressing punjabi language then the Police get violent and the media get into propaganda mode and even before and after 1980s it’s clear the government will continue to politically and culturally oppress Sikhs so the only viable option is for Khalistan to be its own nation
I hope this is elaborated enough for you
jagraj i love you for being so bold. you are a true sikh.love you for representing us
Enjoyed it in 2022 …. The very fact we can talk like this is an achievement
Jagraj Singh spoke the truth made us Sikhs proud Rip ♥️🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Jugraz look is very beutiful jugraz beard .amazing
Simran Mehtab are you talking about the Sikh on the right? is he dead?
Simran Mehtab I am a Muslim and hold this man very dear. Peace and respect. Rest in Power brother.
That’s sad to hear he has passed. Seemed like a nice bloke❤️💐🙏
Thank you. So true!
Yes, he has passed, but thank God and goodness he is so available here at Basics of Sikhi. As a Wannabe Sikh, I think of him as my good friend and teacher. A fine example of the modern day Kalsa warrior saint!
big up to the Sikh people ..im born and bread Londoner and are proud to have them in my country too
It's not your country
@@cahillgreg Yes, it is
@@newbritannia you can define it as such, but as immigrants on the inside, your sentimental claim to turf means little lad
@@cahillgreg I care not for the opinions of people who are not natively English on whether this is country is ours
@@newbritannia Your concerns are of no concern.
Just clicked on the video, not watched it yet.... but let me guess. The sikhs are good as gold and hold themselfs with honour and respect. A wonderful example of british values of free religion and welcoming other beneficial cultures to assimilate into our own. Who don't love the sikhs? ❤
They did not mention the fact that now due to the British empire great debates like this can be had in the heart of London. You can't have this debate in China or Russia or in Africa. British culture celebrates the opinions of Sikhs and Hindu Indians and we value the contribution they give us, it has been this way for the last 80 years!
You literally can have these conversations in those places stop speaking on other cultures you know nothing about. The British empire murdered 100 - 165 million Indians alone. Not mentioning the hundreds of millions of others.
@@russelljames5631 do not forget the loot the plunder the rape .
@@russelljames5631go China and talk bad about their past .you will go missing. They can't even say the word Taiwan online.😂
@@itiswhatitis3582 more propaganda
Dr Shashi Tharoor should’ve been here 😂
Right bro
Only bcz. of him this question got a platform
He would have ripped off these guys!
He should not be here. He researched on evil aspects of the British empire so he knew a lot. Here the people from the ordinary or average levels of society are invited. I noted that they pointed out many aspects which are/were ignored by Dr. Shashi. It's a good valuable discussion.
@@aleempervaiz8789 Actually there were several well-regarded historians there. Shashi Tharoor wouldn't have dome very well against them but I do think it would be unfair.
It was because of people like Kartar Lalvani that the Sikh Empire fell and rebellions failed. During the Raj, he would've been a volunteer snitch:
British: "Where are the Nihang warriors hiding?"
Lalvani: "Their secret camp is over there, Sir."
British: "Well done, Lalvani. I'll see to it that you are rewarded well."
Lalvani: "Always a pleasure, Sir. Long live the British Empire!"
British ; Jump in the well Lalvani
Lalvani ; How high master.
Exactly right
I hope we young ppl learn and spread awareness. Many Indian parents don't have a clue...Due to Gandhi and Nehru rewriting our history to suit their agendas
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I subscribed bro......trying to build on what we both agree with.....are you trying to build awareness on such subjects? If so, holler t me perhaps we can work on something bigger than us, for the culture...
Very logical and fact-based presentation by Jagraj Singh.
Please people don't seem to understand something they always blame British/white culture this is not the answer.. (yes I'm white but please go ahead and read anyway)
British culture is the only culture that is all about competition we do it to ourselves we do not act together as one culture among ourselves we only appear as one culture to outside cultures as they themselves could not imagine us being separate as we act so similar from their perspectives, and that every other culture is mostly inclusive of people in its own culture and less competitive among themselves, that is why they refer to us as one culture even though we see ourselves (white/wester/British culture whatever you want to call it) as all separate people, which in fact are, but we also have our own culture we are somewhat blind to and this is just because we are not that friendly among each other either haha! As perhaps some other cultures might encourage rather we go more towards competitive cabalism with schooling systems for example etc etc..colonialism
See this competitive culture is one of our cultures biggest weakness (and yes this is an attribute of our culture but not the whole thing like we also contribute a lot of important things and good qualities and have many good people among us, but it is an invisible culture to us, call it western culture whatever its not just white) Who knows how this competitive nature started or why it is part of this culture only thing that matters is don't feel guilty because our family history is linked whatever (we did not choose where we were born after all this is not our fault) but acknowledge it as a problem, and a problem this culture that we are a part of now has done and acted like in the past; like the lady said in the video.
And may I add to this point that it is we should be HUMBLE and be able to HUMBLE ourselves in every way may I add, (this is for everyone not just our culture but especially for people with a competitive nature like is common in these cultures) and we should work together to do this and on ourselves alone for each has his/her own responsibility of his/her own for themselves! For no one should blame themselves or feel guilty for what they cannot control but to it is important for our culture and for everyone be strong enough to accept acknowledgement (especially this predominantly white / western culture (that I was personally born in)) and then MOVE ON one step at a time and start with small changes like giving queens diamond back to where it originated from and moving on one small change at a time like this hopefully everything moves towards unity after some time even though it may look chaotic to begin with because the only real truth at the end of the day it ONE LOVE.
Everything comes after that like respect parents, elders, treat neighbour as thyself and respect religion, for why they were originally created not just how they are/were used, always see the good in people, have good morals, be humble patient, give yourself the benefit of the doubt, learn to forgive, believe in god, possibly follow a religion to help you with this and develop your faith / belonging etc etc etc We were all born with a certain amount of goodness inside of us and morals it is society that changes us but it must start from the ground up one small step at a time :) :) :)
IDK how you should feel about your empire, but I am proud that as an American my forefathers broke free from British tyranny. Ty for inspiring the US Bill of Rights
black turban guy must and should read about bhaghat Singh. and jallian Walla bhagha.
Rajesh Koppa the guy is a fucking traitor
No he tells the truth, and you can't handle it.
@Jas Singh Nor do you, or only what you want to know.
@Jas Singh I will look out for Shashi Tharoor's speech, but I do not consider that the gent in the black turban was either a traitor or stupid. He seems to have a very realistic view of history.
@Jas Singh Why is it my upbringing which is creating a biased view of reality, and not your upbringing? I can see no reason why subjugation of a people can "never" be for their benefit.
😛 Funniest thing is "the historian itself belong to the family of British East India Company" that's enough for me 😂😂
Hindu raashtar Kab banega??? 😂😂😂😂😂
@@RohitKumar-ze4ve Jaise Ram Mandir Ban Gaya vaise hi Banega Inshallah!!🌹
@@Captainsunnyxxx laakho saal lgege fir to. Ye ram mandir bhi kyi 600-700 saal k baad bna hai 🎈.
@@RohitKumar-ze4ve No problem, Inshallah!!🌹
@@Captainsunnyxxx Take your time. Inshallah
There is no excuse for British empire brutality......
British empire was a money making machine.. When the machine was not longer viable.. The created a new machine... The empire never ended
Talking about SATI and they completely forgot to mention Raja Ram Mohan Roy.
Slow claps!!!👏
Sikhs gurus also banned sati in their areas
Propaganda. Only few hundred satis occurred as per British records themselves. They are over inflating these topics to demonize and dehumanization of Hindus and Hinduism
A very good argumentative conversation between two Sikhs on the land of British ...lovely
I know the empire did alot of evil but I will never feel personal shame as a working class person in 2022 for what rich people born in the same land as me did in a completely different time period.
That's fair mate. I think that nuance exists. People feel strongly against the empire, not present day English. Except those who glorify/justify it still.
I've got to give the British credit for this: when they speak about the Roman Empire's conquest of Britain, they sound grateful.
Why do so few have the courage to admit the truth and say, "Thank you." To say: "Your intentions were not altruistic, but whose were? Thank you for coming to my primitive backwater of an island and bringing advancement of all kinds."
I suspect this is because the British actually achieved something of their own, in part thanks to Rome. The more success India and others attain on the world stage, the more grateful they will become for all that enabled said advancement. Be glad that the suffering of your ancestors was not in vain. You now get to reap the benefit. No sugar coating of history is required to appreciate it. If we all can avoid sugar coating our own histories, avoid pretending that all hands were joined in song until the outsiders came, then we can all get over the ills of previous centuries and be grateful we live when we do (and where we do).
Much respect to Jugraj Singh Ji for repping the Sikhs 🙏
What about the other Sikh saying the opposite?
Soheyl Inamdar In all fairness, I'm a Sikh and I'm Scandinavian and Celtic/Middle Eastern
Gurpal Singh Brits civilized India. Don't know why BROWNIES hate on the hand that feeds them
Arco Iris I teach Punjabi on my channel
TheSealOfTheRose British puppet
Jagraj Singh as always is spot on in his analysis. He is their to give the perspective of Indians, wise to the colonial narrative. Remember it’s the winners and rulers who write the history and they do that in away that shows them in the best light. Jagraj’s understanding of Sikhi in my opinion is near perfect. I would suggest that anybody wanting an understanding of Sikhi refer to his legacy.
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The extent of education in all of India in 1947 was between 10 to 15%.
Average life expectancy was below 30 yrs of age. And the whole country was drained to the bone supporting 2 world wars, which were not even remotely related to us.
Indians went to fight for food, their families got a few shillings by putting their lives on the line. 1/3 of all the British army that fought around the world in a deeply discriminating army was Indian & large large part of them went missing, died in unknown places.
All of Europe except UK, all of China, South Korea & Japan & Russia do not need English to progress.
While on the other hand Africa, South America, India grow very slowly because they adopted the colonizers language in to studying Science & Maths which need better understanding of concepts.
Sati & Caste & Johar are neither part of Hindu scriptures, nor of normal human lives up untill 1200AD.
They came into existence from the Delhi sultanat & thereafter when the invading armies would rape even dead bodies & society was run by subjugation and slave trade. Historically there is hardly a handful of recorded cases of Sati.
India even though it was divided into different princely states, had a common social & cultural fabric.
People of all kinds of beliefs lived together without fighting over belief systems, so we knew democracy long long before these wetserners could ever think of liberating others.
Real Decolonization would be decolonizing peoples minds. If the British left the country to a bunch of thugs who sucked up to them and supported their interests in running those companies that they still held in those colonies, you could never achieve that, things go from worse to worst...est.
And that sick old man is certainly not Sikh.
He sold Jallianwala baug, Bhagat Singh, Lala Lajpatrai to a cosy job, few pounds & citizenship. And the British education system & Communists have successfully created a huge bunch of those apologetic_inferiority_complex colonized minds.
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Watch Indian historian Zareer Masani Oxford speech about British Empire. Also watch Zareer Masani vs Shashi Tharoor debate on whether British Empire was good or bad.. Indian historians have accepted British rule was good for India. Shashi Tharoor is a biased politician.
@@alex17252 Ofcourse,The British Empire was good for British people but not for it's colonies
Only Indian left-liberals like British Empire
The Brits were worse than Nazis
Superb. Well done Nicky for this very interesting informative debate. I am Sri Lankan by birth, but now British.
Jagraj Singh your so missed we remember you with respect and love. 🙏🏽💯💕💕💕💕
Jagraj Singh you was the perfect sikh to me you are missed
@@alex17252 looted the richest country in the world at the time namely India. Became the biggest drug dealer of all time to second richest country at the time namely China. c
Committed genocide to the native Americans and brought people against their will from Africa and moved them to Americas under duress and turned them into slaves. This is the British Empire in reality
@@alex17252 please read my last reply. British Empire should be ashamed of the war crimes during the British Empire.
Bhai jagraj ji you are a true follower of Guru ji & a true sikh indeed.Thanks a lot for speaking the truth aloud.
England is a nation of idol worshipers. God said, "Neither Adulterers, Fornicators, Homosexuals, liars, thieves, gossipers, murderers, blasphemers, usurpers, or idol worshipers will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. God set down laws, teachings & judgments depicting what was allowed & what was forbidden. Man was told to 'choose' whom he would serve between good or evil. Sin is not OF God, but sin is OF evil; evil will not be allowed in eternal Heaven. God put his laws into every man's heart, therefore, everyone born on earth 'knows' good from evil, they only pretend that they don't. Christ's entire purpose was to remove man's sin nature & teach him to let go of living out the lies of the world by thinking, speaking, & doing the things AS they are done in Heaven, not AS they are done in Hell. When man rejects God's teachings, laws & judgments, he is 'choosing' to embrace the contradictions of Satin by worshiping in the kingdom of Evil. It's a CHOICE.
you talk about countries "going their own way" which is an interesting way of describing the bloody struggle that ensued before countries managed to extricate themselves
Jagraj Singh was the only one who was always cut off halfway for some reason.
Nerve Honour british killed 1000s of innocents punjabis in 1919 jalyawala bagh and talking about democracy shutup, Guru Nanakdev ji is a person who stopped sati pratha in india, Guru Nanakdev sahib said why you speak wrong about her who gives birth to kings and saints without her there is no life, the time when you didnt give rite of a vote to a women so please dont talk shit if you dont know anything, you are a kidnappers of small 12 years old kid and not just kidnapped also converted him to Christianity and when he met with his Mother queen Jind kaur that kid become sikh again and he was Maharaja Dulip singh son of Maharaja Ranjit singh.
What about Slavery from Africans and killed Native Americans where were you like a religious, jagraj singh was not a communist, the reason is the person who speak against you become communist for you, india was a golden bird you stole every thing from india, this fuckin Dr is a puppet of yours British Empire nothing else kohinoor is a property of sikh Empire you stole that from small Prince , who was just 12 year old than waht kid knows about the value of these treasures? nothing. And you said he gifted to your queen.
Conclusion is this is one sided Debate for Christians and a British empire, when someone trying to show their real face this anchors stopped him in the middle like late Brother jugraj singh.
Ravinder Singh its a one sided debate because the British empire was undoubtedly the greatest benefit to mankind of any civilization in history! For almost all history before that, global living standards and income were relatively constant then we essentially kick started the technological pathway to end all global problems. Technological advancement as we know it would not have occurred without the empires of Europe, particularly the British. You'd still be living in wood houses tilling fields, sure Indians would have a better relative standard to the world, but it would be way worse absolute standard.
@Ravinder - the people who killed the Native Amercians became Americans. Nice logical fallacy.
Young Indian Will Make India Great Again 🙏 I believe in Unity 🙏
Poop in ghanges
Raj krega khalsa ake khe na koi
@@sukhmanjot823 raj karega khali asthan in kaneda aadi rahe ya gaadi? U W0t mate pagdi
Some very intelligent and knowledgeable young people!
Cruelty is cruelty. Looter is looter.
As a Maori (native of New Zealand), I would like to state emphatically that the atrocities committed by the British empire on my people STILL has a significant, negative impact to this day. Just because these acts were committed centuries ago does not mean that one should "get over it" - as if such a notion is even conceivable. I don't speak for what happened to other cultures but as far as mine is concerned, the British empire has a lot to answer for.
smoke on the water As an African American I can say the same thing. Stay Strong.
Could have been a lot worse.
You know what? That is the stupidest, most ignorant thing to say when it comes to tragedy. "Could have been a lot worse" ? Are you kidding me? Oh you're right, you just solved all the world's problems and made everything better, negating all the actions committed against my people and the many other cultures who were and continue to be affected. We should forgive, forget and reward those who did wrong because it could have been a lot worse, right? You need a reality check and an attitude adjustment.
If it wasn't us it would have been the French or the Dutch and they have a worse track record than us. Be thankful for the Liberal society you live i.
Yeah you can take your "be thankful" and do one. My people lived happily for thousands of years without your intervention and would have continued to prosper with our own liberality. Yeah believe it or not we had our own morals and liberal ways of life, you may have thought we were "savages" because we didn't look like you, but we weren't the ones who committed genocide. Thankful is the last thing I feel.
P.s. If you think for one second that the Maori people are living happily in this "liberal society" you speak of, then you really don't know anything. The only ones benefitting from the British invasion are their descendants. After all, that's what happens when you set up a system of oppression and expect those who suffer because of it to just get over it.
We miss jagraj veer ji. He was an inspiration to us all. It was just that guru sahib ji loved him as well and called upon him to be with them.
He died?
@@thendino1 unfortunately yes
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The extent of education in all of India in 1947 was between 10 to 15%.
Average life expectancy was below 30 yrs of age. And the whole country was drained to the bone supporting 2 world wars, which were not even remotely related to us.
Indians went to fight for food, their families got a few shillings by putting their lives on the line. 1/3 of all the British army that fought around the world in a deeply discriminating army was Indian & large large part of them went missing, died in unknown places.
All of Europe except UK, all of China, South Korea & Japan & Russia do not need English to progress.
While on the other hand Africa, South America, India grow very slowly because they adopted the colonizers language in to studying Science & Maths which need better understanding of concepts.
Sati & Caste & Johar are neither part of Hindu scriptures, nor of normal human lives up untill 1200AD.
They came into existence from the Delhi sultanat & thereafter when the invading armies would rape even dead bodies & society was run by subjugation and slave trade. Historically there is hardly a handful of recorded cases of Sati.
India even though it was divided into different princely states, had a common social & cultural fabric.
People of all kinds of beliefs lived together without fighting over belief systems, so we knew democracy long long before these wetserners could ever think of liberating others.
Real Decolonization would be decolonizing peoples minds. If the British left the country to a bunch of thugs who sucked up to them and supported their interests in running those companies that they still held in those colonies, you could never achieve that, things go from worse to worst...est.
And that sick old man is certainly not Sikh.
He sold Jallianwala baug, Bhagat Singh, Lala Lajpatrai to a cosy job, few pounds & citizenship. And the British education system & Communists have successfully created a huge bunch of those apologetic_inferiority_complex colonized minds.
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Jagraj Singh, you are fabulous and extremely knowledgeable !
RIP
"This multi murderer, convict " as the last words says I do give a present to my father on his birthday!
The Indians fought in the 2nd world war because they were promised freedom!!!
That's right Indian just need freedom from British at any sake
A Kaur and they got it in 1947
Why it is not renamed a BRUTISH EMPIRE ( or a BOORISH EMPIRE) instead..thats's the most apt and accurate of all terms .. they even managed to brutalise the ... food! British food ... should simple called a brutish food. Lol
I don’t think that is true. We cannot think of them to be conditional primarily when their country was at war. Further to that, it is we who went to war with our resources expecting they will leave us and go away as a gesture of goodwill. In case you have a document in support, would be happy to read that.
And they got it
Very good points made by jagraj Singh.
RIP Jagraj Singh Ji, leader of our time! 🙏🙏🙏
the old Sikh man is Shameless British slave. The Young Sikh Man is my Inspiration and Great human being.
@@alex17252 lol Zareen Masani is biased historian. How about that?
My argument :
One of the most prosperous country in the world in terms of culture money everything goes almost to bankruptcy in 200 years. Who ruled the country ---> Britishers, Who's economy grew to a next level from nothing to that big at that time Britisher's. And who suffered ? Who ordered a famine in Bengal? Who ordered to kill innocent people at jalianwala bagh? Who made India an exporter of raw materials and importer and finished goods that too British? Who took away our ancient culture and lost the great command of our languages? And don't even come to us asking they didn't had an impact on us , i am writing this message in ENGLISH. The British empire is build on our stolen money and I don't think they should be a .00001% proud of the empire...
Jagraj went in with the realness left everyone speechless
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The extent of education in all of India in 1947 was between 10 to 15%.
Average life expectancy was below 30 yrs of age. And the whole country was drained to the bone supporting 2 world wars, which were not even remotely related to us.
Indians went to fight for food, their families got a few shillings by putting their lives on the line. 1/3 of all the British army that fought around the world in a deeply discriminating army was Indian & large large part of them went missing, died in unknown places.
And of course they could not pull out the railway lines, take away the railway boggies & post offices when they left. Whatever social policing acts they might have put in place was the relentless efforts of Indians and also a large part of it was exaggerated propaganda to hide or justify their loot & genocides & forcibly closing local industries to sell their own goods.
All of Europe except UK, all of China, South Korea & Japan & Russia do not need English to progress.
While on the other hand Africa, South America, India grow very slowly because they adopted the colonizers language in to studying Science & Maths which need better understanding of concepts.
Sati & Caste & Johar are neither part of Hindu scriptures, nor of normal human lives up untill 1200AD.
They came into existence from the Delhi sultanat & thereafter when the invading armies would rape even dead bodies & society was run by subjugation and slave trade. Historically there is hardly a handful of recorded cases of Sati.
India even though it was divided into different princely states, had a common social & cultural fabric.
People of all kinds of beliefs lived together without fighting over belief systems, so we knew democracy long long before these wetserners could ever think of liberating others.
Real Decolonization would be decolonizing peoples minds. If the British left the country to a bunch of thugs who sucked up to them and supported their interests in running those companies that they still held in those colonies, you could never achieve that, things go from worse to worst...est.
And that sick old man is certainly not Sikh.
He sold Jallianwala baug, Bhagat Singh, Lala Lajpatrai to a cosy job, few pounds & citizenship. And the British education system & Communists have successfully created a huge bunch of those apologetic_inferiority_complex colonized minds.
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Yes we should. It may not have been perfect, but then what society is? Overall, we left these countries far richer than when we arrived. They gained a lot.
Britain has a LOT to be proud of. Magna Carta, the Industrial Revolution, abolishment of slavery, Commonwealth, the universal language of English, rule of law, parliamentary democracy, science, technology etc etc etc
Why the hell no body told them that it was Raj Rammohan roy who dedicated his whole life to abolish sati , Iswar chand vidyasagar devoted whole life for widow remmarige , what the hell british raj has to to with these social reforms , just making legislations would have not materlized without movement which was largly by the indian , for the indians.
Veer hi see the work of Guru Amardas Ji your 3rd Sikh guru who was first to stop sati
I personally thank you sir for remembering them. These days we only study engineering unfortunately, not history.
@@uselesshero.official I'm an engineering student and the above stated facts are taught in class 8.
They took the credit for others work like they took for World War 2, because no one gave credit for indian army for fighting it.
so sad this man died . he would have made a great minister . we need men like him around us . rip .
Which man?
Yea. Peace be upon him.lovely soul
@@beastvader blue turban guy
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The extent of education in all of India in 1947 was between 10 to 15%.
Average life expectancy was below 30 yrs of age. And the whole country was drained to the bone supporting 2 world wars, which were not even remotely related to us.
Indians went to fight for food, their families got a few shillings by putting their lives on the line. 1/3 of all the British army that fought around the world in a deeply discriminating army was Indian & large large part of them went missing, died in unknown places.
And of course they could not pull out the railway lines, take away the railway boggies & post offices when they left. Whatever social policing acts they might have put in place was the relentless efforts of Indians and also a large part of it was exaggerated propaganda to hide or justify their loot & genocides & forcibly closing local industries to sell their own goods.
All of Europe except UK, all of China, South Korea & Japan & Russia do not need English to progress.
While on the other hand Africa, South America, India grow very slowly because they adopted the colonizers language in to studying Science & Maths which need better understanding of concepts.
Sati & Caste & Johar are neither part of Hindu scriptures, nor of normal human lives up untill 1200AD.
They came into existence from the Delhi sultanat & thereafter when the invading armies would rape even dead bodies & society was run by subjugation and slave trade. Historically there is hardly a handful of recorded cases of Sati.
India even though it was divided into different princely states, had a common social & cultural fabric.
People of all kinds of beliefs lived together without fighting over belief systems, so we knew democracy long long before these wetserners could ever think of liberating others.
Real Decolonization would be decolonizing peoples minds. If the British left the country to a bunch of thugs who sucked up to them and supported their interests in running those companies that they still held in those colonies, you could never achieve that, things go from worse to worst...est.
And that sick old man is certainly not Sikh.
He sold Jallianwala baug, Bhagat Singh, Lala Lajpatrai to a cosy job, few pounds & citizenship. And the British education system & Communists have successfully created a huge bunch of those apologetic_inferiority_complex colonized minds.
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All you have to measure is the people trying to get into England vs. those trying to leave it...
Wisdom, humble, respectful, clarity and enlighten soul. Jagraj Singh . ..Should be role model of our kids.
If it wasn't for the British Empire most of the people in that audience simply wouldn't be there.
love how knowledgable bhaiji Jagraj is speaking the truth!!
Jo beautee Brits civilized India. Don't know why BROWNIES hate on the hand that feeds them
yes he is raised in the uk he respects and honours britain for giving him what he has but is against british rule in india
+OMAR everyone has a past they learn from . u are ignorant
Shukra Acharya wtf you on about
Actually the British Empire needs to explain to the world why they should not respond to the Retired MI5 confession that they ordered the death of Princess Diana And pretend that it was an accident.
As Empires go The British Empire has been a positive. They abolished slavery when the rest of the world took it for granted. They brought the idea of democracy to places that had never had it before. Education, healthcare, industrialisation, which has lifted more people out of poverty than anything else in the history of mankind.
I must say though how beautiful it is seeing such a collection of ethnicities debating together.
Yeah, very representative for a UK talk show. Not.
reminds me of that bar in star wars
@@cockoffgewgle4993 what do u mean
@@kelseytension Figure it out
@@cockoffgewgle4993 well its more of debate between different representatives of countries affected by the British empire. This in effect doesn't need to representative. Ovs wouldn't be a good debate if it was all one nationality here.
It's a double edged sword..be proud of your educational ,technical achievements while condemning the brutal oppression and killing
What would the world look like without the empires that built our civilisation on this world.
The way I see it, the British Empire was extremely impressive. Like it or not we must be in awe of it. A tiny country, geographically and in terms of population, ruled a quarter of the land on earth. Alongside the countless atrocities committed by the empire there was a lot nation building. Whether we like it or not, no country on earth did more to spread democracy and end slavery than Britain.
We must remember it is not fair to judge events or organisations of the past with modern values
Too many people not wanting to admit that Britain has done any good in the past.
Yet they want to live in Britain.
@hai bhagwaan! If you dont know read some history, that is if you can read.
Because it was done by british empire not british people . It's like hating muslims cuz of mughals
Instant smile on my face seeing Jagraj Bhaji speak. What a great loss to the Sikh family. Waheguru Ang Sang Sahai!
England is a nation of idol worshipers. God said, "Neither Adulterers, Fornicators, Homosexuals, liars, thieves, gossipers, murderers, blasphemers, usurpers, or idol worshipers will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. God set down laws, teachings & judgments depicting what was allowed & what was forbidden. Man was told to 'choose' whom he would serve between good or evil. Sin is not OF God, but sin is OF evil; evil will not be allowed in eternal Heaven. God put his laws into every man's heart, therefore, everyone born on earth 'knows' good from evil, they only pretend that they don't. Christ's entire purpose was to remove man's sin nature & teach him to let go of living out the lies of the world by thinking, speaking, & doing the things AS they are done in Heaven, not AS they are done in Hell. When man rejects God's teachings, laws & judgments, he is 'choosing' to embrace the contradictions of Satin by worshiping in the kingdom of Evil. It's a CHOICE.
Watch Indian historian Zareer Masani Oxford speech about British Empire. Also watch Zareer Masani vs Shashi Tharoor debate on whether British Empire was good or bad.. Indian historians have accepted British rule was good for India. Shashi Tharoor is a biased politician.Watch Indian historian Zareer Masani Oxford speech about British Empire. Also watch Zareer Masani vs Shashi Tharoor debate on whether British Empire was good or bad.. Indian historians have accepted British rule was good for India. Shashi Tharoor is a biased politician.
Please people don't seem to understand something they always blame British/white culture this is not the answer.. (yes I'm white but please go ahead and read anyway)
British culture is the only culture that is all about competition we do it to ourselves we do not act together as one culture among ourselves we only appear as one culture to outside cultures as they themselves could not imagine us being separate as we act so similar from their perspectives, and that every other culture is mostly inclusive of people in its own culture and less competitive among themselves, that is why they refer to us as one culture even though we see ourselves (white/wester/British culture whatever you want to call it) as all separate people, which in fact are, but we also have our own culture we are somewhat blind to and this is just because we are not that friendly among each other either haha! As perhaps some other cultures might encourage rather we go more towards competitive cabalism with schooling systems for example etc etc..colonialism
See this competitive culture is one of our cultures biggest weakness (and yes this is an attribute of our culture but not the whole thing like we also contribute a lot of important things and good qualities and have many good people among us, but it is an invisible culture to us, call it western culture whatever its not just white) Who knows how this competitive nature started or why it is part of this culture only thing that matters is don't feel guilty because our family history is linked whatever (we did not choose where we were born after all this is not our fault) but acknowledge it as a problem, and a problem this culture that we are a part of now has done and acted like in the past; like the lady said in the video.
And may I add to this point that it is we should be HUMBLE and be able to HUMBLE ourselves in every way may I add, (this is for everyone not just our culture but especially for people with a competitive nature like is common in these cultures) and we should work together to do this and on ourselves alone for each has his/her own responsibility of his/her own for themselves! For no one should blame themselves or feel guilty for what they cannot control but to it is important for our culture and for everyone be strong enough to accept acknowledgement (especially this predominantly white / western culture (that I was personally born in)) and then MOVE ON one step at a time and start with small changes like giving queens diamond back to where it originated from and moving on one small change at a time like this hopefully everything moves towards unity after some time even though it may look chaotic to begin with because the only real truth at the end of the day it ONE LOVE.
Everything comes after that like respect parents, elders, treat neighbour as thyself and respect religion, for why they were originally created not just how they are/were used, always see the good in people, have good morals, be humble patient, give yourself the benefit of the doubt, learn to forgive, believe in god, possibly follow a religion to help you with this and develop your faith / belonging etc etc etc We were all born with a certain amount of goodness inside of us and morals it is society that changes us but it must start from the ground up one small step at a time :) :)
Should any Country be proud of their heritage?
World History of each Country teaches us that all Countries have some ugly Truths in their past. When Countries grow, and change for the betterment of their Populations and the World we have the right and Responsibilities to be proud of our accomplishments, continue to build on that strength, and hopefully, make the World a better place.
You cannot change history and the thinking at those times..
British empire made huge changes to many countries and change many cultures…this cannot reverse history.
The changes made is done.
Ignorance prevails ! They have'nt read about the Sikh ideology & the Gurus.
The sikh Gurus criticized & abolished the social evils like Sati system & Female infanticide much before the british came in. And now the Brits want credit for it.
The education system was designed to produce indians who would look down upon their own people, look up to the british & benefit only them. The sikh gentleman on the left is such a product. Indian vernacular languages were pushed in the background in favour of English. Macaulay - the man behind it had the audacity to announce in the british parliament that all the native literature in Arabic & sanskrit was worth less than the books in the most paltry preperatory school in England. All the "great" infrastucture was installed for a more effective exploitation of the Indian mineral wealth. And now they want us to be proud of the empire.
Macauly also said they have succeeded in splitting the Sikh's from Hinduism!
not everybody in bharat was Sikh this is pure arrogance on your part and not everybody followed your religious law either
Parmy Kumar they split in the beginning of the religion
Sati was also criticized by raja ram mohan roy
to singh 👍
Jagraj singh is such an amazing true sikh
The audience is varied in a beautiful way. The moderator is intelligent, anticipatory, and neutral. My worry is that slavery, imperialism, colonialism, neo-colonialism, and globalism have hybrid modern re-incarnations.
Jagraj is the true voice of humanity, he inspires truth , humility and humbility
Watch Indian historian Zareer Masani Oxford speech about British Empire. Also watch Zareer Masani vs Shashi Tharoor debate on whether British Empire was good or bad.. Indian historians have accepted British rule was good for India. Shashi Tharoor is a biased politician.
The old sikh guy reminds me of the character in the "legend of bhagat singh" movie, in the court room, who gave the testimony against bhagat and his comrades...
What was his name?
Exactly such a traitor
Indian version of uncle Ruckus
FKING ...........COCONUT
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Did you know, you're allowed to be proud of something while also acknowledging its negative aspects?
This is our human history from the beginning of the world.
When a human being is harmonious there will be no compulsive actions in him and will do only what is necessary in life
I needed to see this. Shukriya (thanks)
I disagree.
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What a foolish statement ....
The extent of education in all of India in 1947 was between 10 to 15%.
Average life expectancy was below 30 yrs of age. And the whole country was drained to the bone supporting 2 world wars, which were not even remotely related to us.
Indians went to fight for food, their families got a few shillings by putting their lives on the line. 1/3 of all the British army that fought around the world in a deeply discriminating army was Indian & large large part of them went missing, died in unknown places.
All of Europe except UK, all of China, South Korea & Japan & Russia do not need English to progress.
While on the other hand Africa, South America, India grow very slowly because they adopted the colonizers language in to studying Science & Maths which need better understanding of concepts.
Sati & Caste & Johar are neither part of Hindu scriptures, nor of normal human lives up untill 1200AD.
They came into existence from the Delhi sultanat & thereafter when the invading armies would rape even dead bodies & society was run by subjugation and slave trade. Historically there is hardly a handful of recorded cases of Sati.
India even though it was divided into different princely states, had a common social & cultural fabric.
People of all kinds of beliefs lived together without fighting over belief systems, so we knew democracy long long before these wetserners could ever think of liberating others.
Real Decolonization would be decolonizing peoples minds. If the British left the country to a bunch of thugs who sucked up to them and supported their interests in running those companies that they still held in those colonies, you could never achieve that, things go from worse to worst...est.
And that sick old man is certainly not Sikh.
He sold Jallianwala baug, Bhagat Singh, Lala Lajpatrai to a cosy job, few pounds & citizenship. And the British education system & Communists have successfully created a huge bunch of those apologetic_inferiority_complex colonized minds.
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They didn't let Bhai Jagraj Singh talk.
He lied. He conflated the "theoretical practices of Sikhism" with the day to day life.
British Empire did remove Sati on practical scale.
Sikhism being good in theory doesn't mean all sikhs are good. Jattism, daaru culture, domestic violence were all too common in Sikh and other Indian places.
Abhay Saini but those are not practiced in Sikhi. That is a culture not a religion.
Fluff Dj sikhi is the Sikh culture
Fluff Dj Sikhism is the religion of Sikhi
Abhay Saini shut up
I would like to see a bunch of Germans sit together and discuss if they should be proud of the Nazi Empire.
People should read Shashi tharoor book about empire and a lot of the issues raised in this discussion would be answered. Please read this book.
They needed a proud Irish person who knows their history regarding the British in this debate.
If the british empire was so great and harmless, why isn't it taught and discussed critically in all UK high school history classes ?
Please forgive my ignorance, I don't know the name of the host but he has handled these debates perfectly + so I am now a subscriber. I love it!.
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The extent of education in all of India in 1947 was between 10 to 15%.
Average life expectancy was below 30 yrs of age. And the whole country was drained to the bone supporting 2 world wars, which were not even remotely related to us.
Indians went to fight for food, their families got a few shillings by putting their lives on the line. 1/3 of all the British army that fought around the world in a deeply discriminating army was Indian & large large part of them went missing, died in unknown places.
All of Europe except UK, all of China, South Korea & Japan & Russia do not need English to progress.
While on the other hand Africa, South America, India grow very slowly because they adopted the colonizers language in to studying Science & Maths which need better understanding of concepts.
Sati & Caste & Johar are neither part of Hindu scriptures, nor of normal human lives up untill 1200AD.
They came into existence from the Delhi sultanat & thereafter when the invading armies would rape even dead bodies & society was run by subjugation and slave trade. Historically there is hardly a handful of recorded cases of Sati.
India even though it was divided into different princely states, had a common social & cultural fabric.
People of all kinds of beliefs lived together without fighting over belief systems, so we knew democracy long long before these wetserners could ever think of liberating others.
Real Decolonization would be decolonizing peoples minds. If the British left the country to a bunch of thugs who sucked up to them and supported their interests in running those companies that they still held in those colonies, you could never achieve that, things go from worse to worst...est.
And that sick old man is certainly not Sikh.
He sold Jallianwala baug, Bhagat Singh, Lala Lajpatrai to a cosy job, few pounds & citizenship. And the British education system & Communists have successfully created a huge bunch of those apologetic_inferiority_complex colonized minds.
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Kartar Singh Leveni honestly has no information about the Sikh Raj... it was before the British Raj that under Maharaja Ranjit Singh that the caste was abolished. People from not only different social economic backgrounds were given opportunities but people of different religions were given equal rights and equal opportunities. Kartar needs to remember it was the British you stripped away the Sikh identity for almost 60 years until the early 1900's. Sikhs were not permitted to practise or wear the Kirpan for instance unless guess what... they joined the army. If the British never meddled the Sikh Empire and the Martha Empire along with the Chole Empire (along with small empires) would have been able to rule the whole continent together as the whole with peace.
KARTAR LEVANI, doesn't deserve to be refered to as KARTAR "SINGH" LEVINI
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> The extent of education in all of India in 1947 when they were kicked out, was between 10 to 15%.
> Average life expectancy was below 30 yrs of age.
> And the whole country was drained to the bone supporting 2 world wars, which were not even remotely related to us.
Indians went to fight for food, their families got a few shillings by putting their lives on the line.
1/3 of all the British army that fought around the world in a deeply discriminating army was Indian & large large part of them went missing, died in unknown places.
And of course they could not pull out the railway lines, take away the railway boggies & post offices when they left.
Whatever social policing acts they might have put in place was the relentless efforts of Indians and also a large part of it was exaggerated propaganda to hide or justify their loot & genocides & forcibly closing local industries to sell their own goods.
All of Europe except UK, all of China, South Korea & Japan & Russia do not need English to progress.
While on the other hand Africa, South America, Indian subcontinent grew very slowly because they adopted the colonizers language in to studying Science & Maths which needs better understanding of concepts.
Sati & Caste & Johar are neither part of Hindu scriptures, nor of normal human lives up untill 1200AD.
They came into existence from the Delhi sultanat & thereafter when the invading armies would rape even dead bodies & society was run by subjugation and slave trade. Historically there is hardly a handful of recorded cases of Sati, not even mentioned in hundreds of books written before this period, not even by travellers.
India even though it was divided into different princely states, had a common social & cultural fabric.
People of all kinds of beliefs lived together without fighting over belief systems, so we knew democracy long long before these wetserners could ever think of liberating others.
Real Decolonization would be decolonizing peoples minds. If the British left the country to a bunch of thugs who sucked up to them and supported their interests in running those companies that they still held in those colonies, you could never achieve that, things go from worse to worst...est.
And that sick old man is certainly not Sikh.
He sold Jallianwala baug, Bhagat Singh, Lala Lajpatrai to a cosy job, few pounds & citizenship. And the British education system & Communists have successfully created a huge bunch of those apologetic_inferiority_complex colonized minds.
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A thief came to my house to steal, and found out that the road to my house was bushy. If he clears the road to make his stealing easy, do I need to exonerate him from theft?
The Irish fella speaking in favour of the British Empire, because the English invaded Ireland and now he thinks he's British 😂 Classic.
He's just a racist, check him out in depth.
Hmmmm I’ve got a funny feeling that he’s a unionist. If it’s the case then he’d be all for the empire because it definitively includes N.I.
@Elija Adam Renegades are always the worst
Irish fella! "Slavery, Colonialism & Colonization", etc are all evil things done by evildoers.
Anglo West is major participant and benefactor of centuries-long global,
- Slavery,
- Colonialism,
- Colonization worldwide, to this day. 🤔
For plain truths, pls read my informative multi-pages 'Ole Fella' comment on TH-cam at, "China-US tensions: A closer look at the 'Five-Eyes' intelligence partnership / CGTN".
Not Irish, he's northern Irish, big difference.
India was never a country before the British. It was a subcontinental region of different kingdoms (e.g. Bengal, Gujarat, Maharashtra, Tamil)
India was always a UNITED CIVILIZATION called Bharat. Outsider inferiors will never understand Bharat. There was no Bengal, Gujarat, Maharashtra or Tamil nadu (these are modern Indian states).
Unifying it didn’t help, it just assimilated people, forced languages and conflicts, imagine unifying Europe obviously the economy would be stronger in total, but it wouldn’t fix poverty, when you combine the total economies of several countries, however Europe is even less diverse than India
Instead of accepting what these empires did was inhumane and wrong, these 3 main front speakers appears as if they would vote for a repeat of the same history.
I miss this show! Very good watch.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.”
― Voltaire
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Absolutely True.
The extent of education in all of India in 1947 was between 10 to 15%.
Average life expectancy was below 30 yrs of age. And the whole country was drained to the bone supporting 2 world wars, which were not even remotely related to us.
Indians went to fight for food, their families got a few shillings by putting their lives on the line. 1/3 of all the British army that fought around the world in a deeply discriminating army was Indian & large large part of them went missing, died in unknown places.
And of course they could not pull out the railway lines, take away the railway boggies & post offices when they left. Whatever social policing acts they might have put in place was the relentless efforts of Indians and also a large part of it was exaggerated propaganda to hide or justify their loot & genocides & forcibly closing local industries to sell their own goods.
All of Europe except UK, all of China, South Korea & Japan & Russia do not need English to progress.
While on the other hand Africa, South America, India grow very slowly because they adopted the colonizers language in to studying Science & Maths which need better understanding of concepts.
Sati & Caste & Johar are neither part of Hindu scriptures, nor of normal human lives up untill 1200AD.
They came into existence from the Delhi sultanat & thereafter when the invading armies would rape even dead bodies & society was run by subjugation and slave trade. Historically there is hardly a handful of recorded cases of Sati.
India even though it was divided into different princely states, had a common social & cultural fabric.
People of all kinds of beliefs lived together without fighting over belief systems, so we knew democracy long long before these wetserners could ever think of liberating others.
Real Decolonization would be decolonizing peoples minds. If the British left the country to a bunch of thugs who sucked up to them and supported their interests in running those companies that they still held in those colonies, you could never achieve that, things go from worse to worst...est.
And that sick old man is certainly not Sikh.
He sold Jallianwala baug, Bhagat Singh, Lala Lajpatrai to a cosy job, few pounds & citizenship. And the British education system & Communists have successfully created a huge bunch of those apologetic_inferiority_complex colonized minds.
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England is a nation of idol worshipers. God said, "Neither Adulterers, Fornicators, Homosexuals, liars, thieves, gossipers, murderers, blasphemers, usurpers, or idol worshipers will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. God set down laws, teachings & judgments depicting what was allowed & what was forbidden. Man was told to 'choose' whom he would serve between good or evil. Sin is not OF God, but sin is OF evil; evil will not be allowed in eternal Heaven. God put his laws into every man's heart, therefore, everyone born on earth 'knows' good from evil, they only pretend that they don't. Christ's entire purpose was to remove man's sin nature & teach him to let go of living out the lies of the world by thinking, speaking, & doing the things AS they are done in Heaven, not AS they are done in Hell. When man rejects God's teachings, laws & judgments, he is 'choosing' to embrace the contradictions of Satin by worshiping in the kingdom of Evil. It's a CHOICE.
SO VERY TURE! ONE OF MY FAVORITE QUOTES!
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Jagraj Singh ji has shared a wonderful debate through his channel. 👏
British Empire is over but English Teachers' Empire is still expanding in the world!
Saleh Sheikh, Larkana.
Neither proud nor ashamed. It happened before I was born.
"The sun never set on the British empire because even God could not trust the English in the dark" Dr. Shashi Tharoor
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well fuck india then.
if your going to be like that then fuck your country. with your backwards shithole customs
@@Purwapada lol
@@arpanmalakar11 sorry I was just triggered lol. I love india really just a shame some can't be less ignorant about britain
@@Purwapada so you won't acknowledge the mistakes? You are proud of your empire, I don't have any iota of problem, but that doesn't mean that you won't believe the second side of the coin. Yes, I agree that Britain did give the ideas of democracy and industrialisation to India. No doubt about that. But you should also acknowledge the famines, mass murders happened in India where an estimated 29 million people died. I am not making this up. It was told by your own historian. So as per my opinion, you were neither responsible for the atrocities committed nor for the good things that your ancestors have done, as you didn't had direct hands in it. So taking pride in the empire's size is good, because a tiny country with barely 70 million people were able to conquer 25% of the world. but taking prides for its action is useless as I have already mentioned before that you didn't had any direct hands in it. But sure, if I was born in Britain, I would have defended the Empire by romanticizing it like you.
@@arpanmalakar11 who said I romanticized it. I view it with neutrality, and am glad at the good and saddened by the bad.
I think my position is reasonable. That is all I will say.
The amount of knowledge in this debate is mind blowing!! Hats off to all the participants. The host did an excellent job leading, steering and controlling this debate throughout. Britain has by far the best television in the whole world. These debates are very respectful and fair. Sometimes I just go on a run watching such debates from British tv one after the other. Almost all of the participants had at least one good and/or justifiable point. I cracked up when the host said "the missionary position if you like, spreading.." and he started sweating and turning red🤣
Yes, it's definitely a good watch The Big Questions. I managed to get in the audience in one show back in 2014.
Always revealing and informative...thoroughly enjoy it
I mean it is straight from the source lol
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The extent of education in all of India in 1947 was between 10 to 15%.
Average life expectancy was below 30 yrs of age. And the whole country was drained to the bone supporting 2 world wars, which were not even remotely related to us.
Indians went to fight for food, their families got a few shillings by putting their lives on the line. 1/3 of all the British army that fought around the world in a deeply discriminating army was Indian & large large part of them went missing, died in unknown places.
All of Europe except UK, all of China, South Korea & Japan & Russia do not need English to progress.
While on the other hand Africa, South America, India grow very slowly because they adopted the colonizers language in to studying Science & Maths which need better understanding of concepts.
Sati & Caste & Johar are neither part of Hindu scriptures, nor of normal human lives up untill 1200AD.
They came into existence from the Delhi sultanat & thereafter when the invading armies would rape even dead bodies & society was run by subjugation and slave trade. Historically there is hardly a handful of recorded cases of Sati.
India even though it was divided into different princely states, had a common social & cultural fabric.
People of all kinds of beliefs lived together without fighting over belief systems, so we knew democracy long long before these wetserners could ever think of liberating others.
Real Decolonization would be decolonizing peoples minds. If the British left the country to a bunch of thugs who sucked up to them and supported their interests in running those companies that they still held in those colonies, you could never achieve that, things go from worse to worst...est.
And that sick old man is certainly not Sikh.
He sold Jallianwala baug, Bhagat Singh, Lala Lajpatrai to a cosy job, few pounds & citizenship. And the British education system & Communists have successfully created a huge bunch of those apologetic_inferiority_complex colonized minds.
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England is a nation of idol worshipers. God said, "Neither Adulterers, Fornicators, Homosexuals, liars, thieves, gossipers, murderers, blasphemers, usurpers, or idol worshipers will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. God set down laws, teachings & judgments depicting what was allowed & what was forbidden. Man was told to 'choose' whom he would serve between good or evil. Sin is not OF God, but sin is OF evil; evil will not be allowed in eternal Heaven. God put his laws into every man's heart, therefore, everyone born on earth 'knows' good from evil, they only pretend that they don't. Christ's entire purpose was to remove man's sin nature & teach him to let go of living out the lies of the world by thinking, speaking, & doing the things AS they are done in Heaven, not AS they are done in Hell. When man rejects God's teachings, laws & judgments, he is 'choosing' to embrace the contradictions of Satin by worshiping in the kingdom of Evil. It's a CHOICE.
How can one even say " Should we be proud of the British Empire "?
It amazes me the Indian politicians mentality. How can any one occupied with Empire thinks about pride? It is shocking to see This. What a shame!!
What people of the world seam to not realise is that Britain was the first colony, and the people who are now called the British people remain colonised !!
Would like to see Indians debating about Indian empire couple of years from now on this same platform!
Debates like this are very enlightening. Very knowledgeable and insightful views.