How To Add A Tremolo To Your Gibson SG
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The Duesenberg bridge looks like a great way to have a trem without having to modify the guitar. I’ve never seen these before so thanks for showing it.
This is the classiest-looking trem system for an SG I've seen. This would go nicely with my sunburst SG special with mini-humbuckers...
I think the Bigsby has a cool vintage look, but the Duesenberg is super classy. Plus, it's a great retro-fit. No drills.
When talking about the tremolo options for an SG you left out my personal favorite, the Maestro Vibrola. It feels great and isn’t awkward like the Sideways Vibrola or bulky like the Bigsby.
I was briefly concerned that I was about to see your gorgeous SG get dremel'd to fit an SSH pickup configuration.
...Maybe with a black Epi Studio SG?
Same tbh. I usually don't even care about vintage aesthetics that much but was still concerned in this case. Not that a SSH (or even HSH) SG doesn't seem like cool idea... hmm...
Yes
If you drill 4 holes into the neck pick-up ring you can mount two single coils and go from there
Ive been VERY seriously considering routing out my G400 for a middle pickup and running it with three humbucker-sized P90-or-otherwise-single-coil pickups. Right now I've got a H90 (buckersized p90) in the neck and I love the sound.
Aesthetically and in practice, I think a classic "reverse" Firebird with Fender Jaguar style triple singles and controls would be awesome. Theyre already tonally closer to Fenders than the SG & LP are, too.
Cool demo. Now I'd like to see you install Gibson humbuckers into one of your Strat's.
Tim Seneca Music that’s exactly what Eddie Van Halen did when no one thought of it
I did this with a Squier hardtail. Neck tone is long and creamy, bridge is bright and clear without being harsh. Absolutely no quack. Always in tune. Light and comfy.
@@stevehibbert88 If I ever pick up a Start again, I'll try that out
@@13Salamander Yeah, Eddie was truly unique.
Steve Hibbert No issue with string spacing? I mean, strings and poles probably don’t perfectly align anymore?
This thing looks awesome!!! I'm a huge LP fan, but man when I see strat players I get super jealous of the whammy! I'm also a huge hendrix fan, and trying to solo like him without the whammy is very anticlimactic. So glad this is a thing, definately want one!!
Cool vid. Wasn't aware a product like that was out there.
It is amazing to me to think that Gibson never came up with things like this on there own. There are unbelievable opportunities missed by designers and manufactures.
Gibson and fender are notorious for being boomer brands. When they try to renovate, their fans will not consume their products and their novelty products will flop
I have a Viper SG with one of these on & I absolutely love it. Well designed & solidly built, works really well, was easy to fit & it really brought the guitar to life for me as everything I'd played prior had a tremolo.
Vibramate is a great way to toss a Bigsby on without permanently modifying the guitar.
Yeah, I'd love to see one of those in action and reviewed here at KYG, but I know resources are limited.
But then it would look like garbage.
Harry Satchel honestly I think Bigsby's look classy af on an sg
Harry Satchel it does really depend on the style of guitar, it looks awful on more metal style guitar, but on a classic it looks fine
Getting a bigsby and a vibramate will cost a lot more than getting a Les Trem and a roller bridge.
I have been waiting to pull the plug on a Floyd FRX. The cost and locking nut is what was holding me back. I do not need dive bombs, and this looks like exactly what I need on my Les Paul. I watched a few other videos and am ordering now. Thanks for letting me know about this trem!
I installed a Duesenberg trem on my Goldtop which I traded for a CS Strat. I had removed the trem before I traded the Les Paul but a week or so ago I couldn't find the trem and assumed that I'd left it in the case. I'd just bought an SG and wanted to install it om the SG. and man I was disappointed until; yesterday that is. I was looking for something else and there it was sitting inside my sewing kit box..Sometimes the universe looks after us.But now I'm looking for the posts that I'd forgotten about and here they are in the same box . Thanks Phil you've made my day.
Great video. Good to know about this option. Roller bridge sounds like a good idea.
FYI, Bigsby does make "mod free" adaptor plates for lots of guitars. For some Gibsons, the adaptor mounts onto the existing post bushings. The Bigsby mounts onto the adaptor, then over the edge and the Bigsby's hinged end section secures by using the strap button hole. None of it touches the front of the guitar and is slightly stood off the body at the strap button hole. The stand off is a bit bigger diameter than the button and most likely, will leave a mark.
Still a Bigsby for tuning stability (iffy ???). Then.... expensive and relatively heavy.
this was actually really cool. I like the non-invasive changes. Good Stuff Phil!
They sell a non permanent solution for the bigsby vibrato. It's called the vibramate. Basically they are a frame that sits under the bigsby that screws into the tailpiece holes, and if you decide that you don't want a bigsby, you could just take it off. It's amazing, they make them for most bigsby models.
Yes! They have a lefty trem model available, too! Just ordered one, and am now waiting like a kid on Christmas Eve. :)
I have a three pickup SG that is literally an HHH strat. Love that guitar. No trem unit though, i like hard tails, even on strats
imo scale length has a ton to do with how a guitar sounds. I dont think your sg really sounds like a strat, but I do think it sounds awesome.
@@ErebosGR It won't because it has GIBSON hum buckers. Totally DIFFERENT sound foot print. Fender Hum buckers still have that 'Stratty/plasticky' sound to them, just thicker sounding and hum free!
I know as I have a guitar with 2 Duncan 'Fender' style hum buckers in it, and they sound 'plasticky' like Strat s/cs! Do NOT sound 'Gibsony' at all!
@@ErebosGR Yep! Those get a more Beefier Tele sound. Still not a Gibson style sound!
R/I won't sound the same due to not using the same type of magnets used in the original W/R hum buckers originally made by Seth Lover.
@@skidmark316 ;o)
He's not going for a classic strat sound though, he's going for a hotrod, like someone took a fender and refitted it with a couple of PAFs, that's even in the title of the video and he mentions it at the beginning. However I do agree scale length works against him slightly there, and there's no easy way to stretch the scale length on an SG. You can compensate pretty effectively by picking closer to the bridge and even by moving the pickups towards the bridge... until you come up against the bridge and then you can't go any further. I think it gets pretty darn close though.
Amateur experts on parade. Scale length has nothing to do with it. I play a Strat with a 24 ¾” scale neck and it sounds exactly like it did before I installed it. Educate yourselves by experience. The tone difference resides in the pickups and their dimensional relations to the bridge and each other. Stock single coil pickups have half the magnet width and about half the passive resistance of humbuckers so they pass higher frequencies at less amplitude. Scale doesn’t matter and wood species doesn’t matter.
I did this about two weeks ago to my Dean Evo goldtop with P90s in it. Literally the easiest guitar mod I've ever done, and infinitely less damaging than doing the Bigsby/Vibramate route. Super happy -- couldn't give a bigger endorsement about the Dusenberg to anyone thinking about this.
I put two Gibson pickups in a Squier Bullet Hardtail Strat with 1Meg pots, J-Bass wiring, pro fret dress. I wanted the ergonomics, tuning stability, scale length and look+feel of a Strat, with the sound of a Gibson. It's fantastic. Phil, do this as a mod, show the world I am not crazy, get clicks. Frankenstrats for the win.
I added a Duesenberg Les Trem II to my SG as well, and love it.
Also added a roller bridge, graphite nut, locking tuners, and String Butler. The thing stays in tune really well even with some aggressive vibrato usage.
The picture of the SG you showed with a Bigsby has it mounted to a Vibramate. It’s a plate that allows you to install a Bigsby without drilling any holes into the body, so that could’ve been an option as well
I stumbled onto a used Schecter Solo 6 Custom with the built in Piezo system at my local Guitar Center around Christmas and the previous owner added one of these to it. It's been great so far and just gives some extra flexibility when playing.
I have 2 Les Pauls with Duesenbergs. Roller bridge and locking tuners and you're in there like swimwear!
So, your LP's don't go outta tune? With that configuration?
@@mr.fancypants698 I've had pretty dang good success with these tremolos. tune here and there a little, but overall it works great.
+ sentforth5
Just curious, because even bigsby's, you have to retune, every time you use them. But bigsby's, have different holes you have to drill too. But locking tuners, rollerbridge, with the dusenburg, sounds like the way to go! I especially like, how it uses the holes for the stopbar tail piece. No drilling, or making the upgrade a "permanent" fixture with extra drilled holes in your guitar that you paid thousands of dollars for!
@@mr.fancypants698 Both my Les Pauls stay in tune quite well all things considered, and I have yet to get locking tuners! That's on the list, but I'm just a working man. I use that Uncle Bend's Nut Sauce on the nut and have roller bridges from Ebay, and no real tuning problems! The locking tuners will be the end of worries, I think. I just put some on my PRS SE Santana and EG and I'm gonna get em for the LPs next!
@@mr.fancypants698 If you go with the Bigsby, go with the Vibramate with it. No drilling or permanent alterations at all, just bolts right on.
Yep! I've got a Duesy trem on my Breedlove MKII. *Fantastic* trem system on a T-O-M style bridge and it looks awesome.
I put one of these on a D'Angelico and it is phenomenal! Saw a video where a guy put one on an LP Studio and it sounded great.
OK this is yet more awesome than you say, here: I have struggled with Trem since I started 40 years ago. Yes, 40 years- I've gone from strat style, to Floyd style, to Jazzmaster style- all to no avail. I am not good at playing with Tremolo, and I'll take that- but here's another factor- I'm left handed.So, we lefties almost always get the crapty version. We get the "squire" version, the "mid price" option, etc. Duesenberg makes a left handed version! It's selling for 10 more euros, so it still has the "lefty tax" but, it appears to be the exact same specs- so, yeah, this is awesome!
You could mound a right-handed trem upside down. SRV was right-handed and used an upside-down lefty trem.
This is a great product demo, and it adds some really cool flair (and vibrato, for those who need and want it) to the SG!
... but Imo, it doesn't turn the SG into an HH strat, but it's probably as close as you can get without tearing the instrument apart and modifying it to be 25.5 inch scale, which I'm sure is an engineering feat that might be more easily and cheaply accomplished by simply building a new instrument -- with the added bonus of then having a second instrument.
I have the exact same "Duesenberg Les Trem" bridge on my "ESP/LTD EC-1000FM Deluxe". I installed it a bit over a year ago, and I'm extremely satisfied with it.
I had to add a "Schaller STM Tunamatic Roller Bridge", and an "Earvana graphite nut for ESP/LTD" to get rid of most every intonation issues (the guitar originally came equipped with high end locking tuners). And with a tiny bit of nut lubricant (specially for the G string), the guitar has no tuning issue whatsoever, even when abusing the tremolo.
For some people, the "con" may be that you don't have a whole lot of tremolo "range" ... it's more like a "Bigsby" kind of tremolo action than a "Strat" tremolo action, and certainly never the range of a "Floyd Rose" tremolo action.
THAT'S IT FOLKS ! HAVE FUN ! PLAY LOUD !
Great ! I had no idea of that. I must have one of this to study it and mount it onto my LesPaul !
Your Düsenberg SG looks awesome !
With this VIBRATO !
I put this on a Paul with a roller bridge a few years back. I enjoy it. Doesn't have a lot of travel, but I only shimmer anyway.
When I saw this video, it got me searching for more Duesenberg Les Trem II demo videos. All of them echoed what you said and demonstrated. So, I got one for my Epiphone ES-335 Pro. It's the best mod I've ever done on a guitar. It works great. I like it better than some of the factory installed wiggle sticks I've played.
I did this modification to my Ibanez AS153. Super easy and it plays like a charm. It is by far the most modest priced, good-looking vibrato solution. I am considering replacing the licenced bigsby of another guitar of mine with this.
Cool vid, but I did want to mention that aftermarket Bigsby Trems can be used with an adapter plate so there is no permanent mods required. For the B5 (which is for flat top guitars) the V5 plate is made for SGs to only require the tailpiece posts. Obviously you'd still have all the issues with a nitro finish, just more of it (as the area covered is larger).
Also, You'd also almost have to upgrade the bridge (Roller or TUSQ) and I'd recommend a TUSQ nut as well unless you only plan on light use like you demonstrated. I upgraded to a TUSQ and it made a phenomenal difference!
As alway Phil, great content! Thanks for all the hard work you put into this channel!
Bought one after watching this video. Blown away its incredible thanks Phil!
Absolutely cool Phillip. After playing 59 years, I still don't own an SG. I have thought about buying one hundreds of times. I had finally decided to get one but decided on the Music Man instead, to go with my stable of Gibson Les Paul's and Fender Strats and Teles. They have always given me the tones I wanted. Great video.
very awesome I've been looking for a no drill solution like this for a old gibson/baldwin SG I have
"no permanent modifications" while holding up a drill with a half inch bit
ACE105 he crossed off the drill
Very cool, I have been on the hunt for a trem like this and wonder why I have never been able to find this one. Perfect
You never fail to make me happy with your videos
This is perfect. Was considering a Stetsbar myself but then here we are. Great content thanks
That's a nice option...easy and no modifications are always a plus.
Have you ever tried one of those string butler things for gibson tuning issues?
I have a bigsby on mine that is an easy non invasive install. The guitar isn't altered in any way. Hands down the best option. IMO.
Cool, I put a roller bridge and Gotoh locking tuners with green buttons on my '97 Epiphone Les Paul honeyburst with a factory Epiphone branded bigsby-style vibrato. I also did not run the strings under the front bar but over it. And like yours it stays in tune surprisingly well. If I get another Les Paul, I will definitely check out Duesenberg.
Dude, this is EXACTLY what I was looking for. I have seen this bridge before, but couldn't find it and didn't know if it would fit a Gibson.
I'm going to order this now, then I'll have a really similar guitar to yours but with P90s and a satin finish, just as you said. Perfect combination in my opinion.
Thanks a lot for the video man! :D
Add a StewMac roller bridge for $40 and your really in biz! Brass rollers and good quality for the $$.
If you wanted the Bigsby you could have tried a Vibramate; I used on e on my Tele and they're great - and you can put the guitar back the way it was.
Phil...now that you have done this review of Duesenberg's trem arm, maybe you can review one of their badass guitars if they are so inclined to send you one to review.
Very nice unit. Guitar Fetish also has a post mount trem that is $50-60 depending on the finish. My Bigsby equipped guitars all have Wilkinson roller bridges and locking tuners. If I keep the nut lubed and stretch the strings well on installation, they stay in tune pretty well. I found locking tuners for my Les Paul that look just like the stock ones. My Tele has Gotoh locking tuners that look identical to the stoock vintage style. Direct replacement on both. No drilling. I also like a taller than stock spring. The adjustment on the Dusenberg would be handy for gettiing that extra height.
after installing a duesenberg tremolo on a gibson midnight standard , i got a shaller roller bridge which improved tuning stability sensibly, it's a tight fit but they can work together without contact
Anothor great video Phil, BUTTTT when are you going to talk about that lovely silver sky behind you? Thought I had spotted it in your KYG Live vids, but this video confirmed it for me! Love the channel man!
Oh, you mean the overpriced Strat with a different headstock??
@@AllTheCoolNamesAreTaken84 Haven't played one, huh?
Also, it looks like it's made of plastic like a Dan Armstrong because the colour is so like the wall.
@@AllTheCoolNamesAreTaken84 Yeah it is a Strat, but don't knock it til you've tried one. I thought the same until I gigged with someone who played one. Now I want one, lesson learnt for me
I have no reason to play one because I don't have that much money and wouldn't be able to justify the cost anyway. Besides, I have an HSS MIM Strat that I've upgraded and I honestly don't need anything else.
@@AllTheCoolNamesAreTaken84 Yes I agree, but I think you'll find it is meant to match those super rare early 60s strats that are $20000. Not your standard strats. Fender Strats still offer best bang for your buck for sure.
Wow that SG is beautiful. I’ve been thinking about that new blueberry SG
There is a rock artist who played most of his career on a strat style guitar with Gibson humbuckers. It's actually a Hum-single-hum set up and with some other changes but pretty darn close to that exact idea. His name is Kim Mitchell and the guitar in question is a custom built parts guitar called "Blue."
Seems like a cool product, and as for installation, there cannot be any comparison to any other bridge.
Cool option but I’d go with the classic look of the Bigsby with a Vibramate. 😎
Thats what I have, I love it
Oh my that guitar sounds beautiful
Well hell!!! Now I have to explain the new SG to my wife!! Thanks a lot Phill! 👍🏻. Oh and your off a little on the Bigsby vibe that tremolo gives your SG. It’s a cool 😎 smooth & swanky look 👀 all it’s own. Great video...
I have this system on a gold lp studio with p94s and i love it so much. I honestly have no idea why gibson don't do this kind of thing themselves. Fender seems to be doing great with making quirky vintage-ish guitars that aren't true historics.
It's a great system. I use it on a Les Paul Goldtop and it look and feels like it was allways supposed to be there. I unly noticed that high-e string breaks fairly quickly, right at the ballend. But i just switched to bullet ends and now it works perfectly.
Nice, i have a Duesenberg Caribou and the Tremolo is the best i ever tried, no tuning issues like with a Bigsby and far more range.
But the Duesenberg saddle is very good aswell, that's maybe one of the reasons why i can do crazy dive bombs and still be in tune.
All it took was this video, and 10 minutes later I get my Reverb confirmation email. Ha ha. This looks like a great piece, and I can’t wait to put it on my 335.
I installed one of these on my 70's tribute SG. The only drawback to me is the forward placement of the arm attachment, which is designed I think primarily to clear the volume control on the Les Paul, which makes it a bit crowded for palm muting.
From the preview photo, I thought it was a tutorial for “Poundcake” 😂
7 guitars I have with stop-tail (except one explorer) have the Duesenberg tremolo and kill-switches installed!
I have Les Trems on my SG and LP for the past 15 years
Why hadn't I seen these before?!? My credit card be damned! Can't wait until mine gets here!
From Leo: That looks like a good option. I mounted a Bigsby to an SG. It gave the playing options I wanted, but the Bigsby and vibramate is a lot of bulky hardware to reach over on a small solid body guitar. I ended up taking it off. The Duesenberg system does not look like it would get in the way.
I have one in a Firebird kit guitar I put together, and like it; it seems well-built, and paired with a Schaller roller bridge it stays in tune well.
My only complaint is that the bar feels very obtrusive compared with a Stratocaster; if I had it to do over I'd mount it a couple of inches further back on the body in the hopes that would make it feel less in the way.
And now I want something I'd never thought of before. damn.
I dont why but i find it so cool as fuck when ever i see a gibson sg with 3 humbuckers and a floyd rose
I was thinking of getting one of these for my Harley Benton Jazzmaster style guitar. Same shape and pickups but with a TOM and tail piece. You make me even more inclined to do so. We'll have to see. :P
I'm still very curious to hear a fender strat with gibson pickups, it's something I've been wondering for a while how it'd sound like
@Malchik Blueduh, but humbuckers don't sound all the same, so I still want to see the gibson pups on a fender
Phill, here is my two cents. To make the most versatile Strat check out what Darrell Braun did on his Ultimate Epiphone make over using P rails and push pull pots, the best of three worlds, p 90s, humbuckers, and single coils in one guitar, with the neck profile of your choice. Looks like my next project! Blessings man. Dave
'No special tools required." Using hands that are the most unique and special tools of them all... Greetings from Puerto Rico!!!
imo
Good vid.
I bought an SG Standard with a Bigsby from the factory in '74.
Except for my two custom-mades, it is my favorite of my guitars by a mile.
I never had the Bigsby problem mentioned here.
imo
I’ve wanted to put a trem on my SG for a while and that’s a great option. I do like the look of the Maestro on a SG but I bet the Duesy works great and no new holes. I was a Strat player for years and I’ve went more and more towards Gibsons in recent years and I do miss the tremolo on my Strats.
I'm not a trem guy but that is an interesting piece. The simplicity of the installation is awesome
This is exactly what I was looking for to put in my explorer
Something to note: I have one of these and it’s absolutely fantastic, but it does have a small fit challenge with a 67 style SG because of the large pickguard. The baseplate of the trem overlaps where the pickguard reaches because 67 style guards go underneath the bridge on those models. So to make it work you have to use washers to slightly raise the trem so it’s above the pickguard or notch the pickguard (which would be best done on a second guard not the original). I have both styles of SG’s so I put it on my 61 style instead of the 67 style one, easy for me. But if yours is a typical SG Standard which most years means the 67 style large guard version, you wanna consider that up front. Any other style of Gibson/standard TOM bridge guitar I can think of doesn’t have that issue other than the 67 style SG Standards.
I have one on my epiphone genesis. Changing the bridge with a roller bridge is recommended. Good for nice vintage vibrato's, dive bombs need a locking nut.
Sold! I was gonna go bigsby on my g400. This is perfect. thanks Phil
I never ever liked the SG look.. Loved the way they sound but hate the look. But what's crazy is as soon as you installed that Trem.. I loved it. Crazy how that just made it look very appealing and sexy. might have to try that
hey friend, the picture you used with the bigsby also featured a vibramate. that allows you to install and remove the bigsby without any mods. they're pretty great
Great thanks, am considering one of these for an epiphone les Paul. You may have just made my mind up
yes, it is nice. I saw another install vid- the guy used the wrong size flathead screwdriver and marred the post. This was a great vid. Especially pointing out all the things to remember/know- the nut cut, the washers, the felt with nitrocellulose, etc. I might put one on a 2015 Paul. I have an older style Stetsbar on my 1985 Paul. But, I don't like the new design with the plate cut short of the rear of the trem. Thus, why I am leaning to the Duesenburg- Simple, great design, Looks sweet- not just a mass of metal.
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Awesome, I might have to look into this for my Epi Les Paul Plush top pro.
Lol plush top!!
just curious, how will that SG with a tremolo fit in case ?
Just turn the arm 180 degrees backwards, it fits.
I have a fixed arm on my Stetsbar which is on a Paul, And I just put the guitar in the case and close it- But it will depend on how high you adjust your arm angle. If your like most people- no effect and no adjusting necessary to put your guitar in a case. I know I compared an apple to an orange (twice)- but they are fruit. Hope this helps!
I love it! I just can't find one anywhere. The search continues...
Have one, along with a Dusenberg TV model guitar ... best trem out there as far as I'm concerned... have moved mine from one guitar to another.. 😎🎸
I installed Lestrem in my cheap mm lp gibson, I totally agree- this is a very good solution, no screws etc. and Lestrem is amazing, 100% I considered roller bridge, but one year with a stock one (they put standard tune o matic) and had no problems with intonation, and A very good news for b bender lovers, check out Duesenberg's B benders - They did similar, non invading tele bridges :) Top engineers are there!
I put a stetsbar tremolo on my SG, sounds great, stays in tune, no permanent modifications
Danish Pete from Andertons put one of these on his 335. Looks great on that guitar.
Very cool idea and thanks for the shoutout! I may have to check one of those out too.
I put these on my Epi 339 and my Epi Les Paul…. Works great!
I like the neon green guitar in the back
I put a vibramate and Bigsby B5 on my guitar. Non-permanent and looks great.
The mim Blacktop Strat is the ultimate HH Strat which is why I bought it. With its 5 pos switch you get so many different tones its ridiculous. I could only afford one guitar and I chose the most versatile I could find. I still have not seen any other guitar with this setup.
Did this a year ago and love it.
Phil, how about a video on putting the most expensive pickups into a cheap guitar... like BKP mules into an epiphone and doing a blind test?