Metal Planer Restoration 63: Flat Belts Installed and... Well, that did not go as planned...
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- Let's just say that it's been a rough couple of days. Ran into a few setbacks on the planer restoration. But - we have a plan and are moving forward....
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That clicking sound brings back fond memories! I worked at a company back in the 70's that was frozen in time. It still had all of the belt-driven machinery that went back to the 1800's, and ran it on an overhead driveline. They had a guy who tended the belts and filled all of the oil cups full time. It also had an old elevator that was controlled by a rope, and you could see the thick wooden floors when using it as it entirely open - no safety measures at all! Glad I saw all of that before they went out of business...
Thanks for sharing! Keith always remember what Gen Pation said, "Every plan goes south when the first bullet is shot." Goes for maintence too.
Thanks Keith for sharing the good and the bad, we are all human. Thanks for sharing with Steve Sommers. Those Mikes are an awesome gift
Thanks Keith for sharing. Your willingness to share the good and the bad of this project is what makes your channel so great. We all share these experiences with you. Cant wait to see this vintage machine cutting chips pretty soon after a few tweaks here and there.
If things we planned ALWAYS went right, it would take half the fun out of life!
This Is a great restoration, but you can hear the disappointment in your voice. You have done many restorations in the past so you know things don’t always go as planned. You are the best person for this job, you are our inspiration for this kind of work. We know you will get it sorted out, we are all there with you. Keep up the good work! Thanks for the video, JB San Diego.
Hang in there Keith. Take a half step back...a deep breath and go after the set up again. You've got the skills and I have every confidence you will have it all running smoothly before long.
Misfortune, - That's what makes GREAT Tv.
We all know you can fix it, but it's seeing that ingenuity, and all the possible ways, you devise, to get it done.
Besides which we get to see another video,
AND, your " blessing in disguise" is yet another video.
I'm lovin' this !
Stay safe Keith,
Stu xx
Sorry to see those obstacles pop up Keith, you are so close! Luckily, you have all the skills and knowledge to make it right.
Words to live by "It could've been worse" The rudiments of wisdom.
I truly respect that you share your failures as well as your successes. Thank you for all the efforts you put into making your videos. With great respect- Fred
This is the normal way things go. It's not failure or success. Rather failure, failure, failure and maybe someday success. Don't lose your enthusiasm ,your videos gave me great help getting through all this shit.
Well we never learn if we don't make mistakes getten it done Keith with a slice of humble pie. Great Episode!
You can add an Idle pulley to move back from gears
We've all been there Keith. The man who never made a mistake never made anything!
I'm no fan of winston churchill but he had a few sayings that resonate.
One of them was:
"When you are going through hell, keep going."
You are doing a great job Sir and I know you will prevail.
I think I can safely speak for any who watch your stuff and say that we all wish you the best of luck with this challenging and monumental job.
Kudos to you.
Dear Keith, thank you for showing the problems along the road of the restoration. it's all still going in the right direction :-)
Not quite all - belts and table are going in the wrong direction - that's the problem !
It just wouldn't be a day in the shop without a snafu or two....keep up the good work Keith!
Move the pulleys and add a idler pulley to move the belt back I think that would be a good and quick fix
"Can't nothing ever be easy!" That's the mantra in my shop.
Hell Keith, Rome wasn’t built in a day. The main thing is you weren’t injured when things went wrong. They call this stage Beta testing I believe. Perfection doesn’t come without a few mishaps on the way, but perfection will come.
Ha Ha - brought back memories when I was on my first job as a Mechanical Engineer. I was working for a crusty old Superintendent from East Texas - a great mentor but a real task master. One day he was asking for the status of several tasks that he had assigned me. I gave him updates but I had not started on the last few. I finished by telling him that Rome was not built in a day. Without blinking an eye or taking an additional breadth, he retorted "And I wasn't the the #$%^ing superintendent on that job either."
@@allenahale1 😂😂😂
@@allenahale1 Rome was built in a day - but not completed !
2 houses - erm, what should we call this new place ?
10 houses later they agreed on 'Rome' - so it was instantly Rome !
Allen Hale, I am pretty sure that same fellow was one of my first superintendents!
Unfortunately that's the way it goes sometimes as you know. When it all works as planned all the effort will be well worth it. Thanks for sharing Keith.
Darn...hate to see that happen. Sorry for the mishap. As you said, "it was going to break anyway. Hang in there, you'll fix it better than ever. -Thanks, Tom (Knoxville)
Well Keith, sorry for the setback. But let me tell you, when you first fired it up @ 13:30 your excitement had me grinning from ear to ear. That was one of the better TH-cam moments I can recall.
(Insert expletive).... You're doing the right thing Keith just take a step back take a breather picture it in your mind and going on with it...
The best-laid plans of mice and men
go oft awry.
Keep at it, Keith.
Bugger, 50 years ago there would be people around that knew you were making a mistake a would let you know. Now we all watch blindly thinking it looks perfect. A good way to learn this lesson, thanks for sharing.
We all learn every day. You’ll get it. Thanks for this video Keith.
Keith, instead of moving the motor back, just add an idler pulley to keep the belt away from the other drive. Possibly even mount the idler off of the other drive shaft.
thinking the same thing but does it fit there is a lot of things in the way to add it in. the best way is to have nothing added and set the original configuration in a 3d ( cad ) model then find the best place for the motor to be mounted. but he will make it work eventually.
Damn, Keith I was double crossing my thumbs for you, to see your project completed. The video snapshotpicture and title run goosebumps along my bag…. Good luck with reconfiguring the wheel assembly and repair!
Hello Keith sorry things didn’t go as planned but this is the number one reason I love watching your channel you show your successs and failure on your project’s takes a hell of man to show that to the whole world
That's a mighty fine, beautiful machine! Can't wait to see it running again!
instead of moving the shaft back could you install an idler wheel that would let the belt clear the lower pulleys?
My thoughts exactly
@@exdime mine too.
@@airgead5391 Ditto
Me too.
I immediately thought the same thing. It'd even give the drive belt more wrap around the driven pulley. Another option would be to extend the shafts away from the centerline of the machine.
As an old industrial mechanic I have cut and laced many belts. I have done round belting with only one clip up to 5 ft wide conveyor belts. Two in. are no problem, 2 ft takes two sets of hands and the 5 ft takes at least three sets of hands laying on the floor. You are correct that cutting the clips can be a royal pain. I have used many types of crimpers but I have never seen one like you have.
Keith, rather than move the countershaft backwards, could you add an idler pulley (may be more work) below the gears to pull the belt away from them? At least that way, you wouldn't have to change at least the motor belt or the oiler belt.
That was my first thought also.
This is also my thought and more pulleys equals more cool
Wait that won’t work because of the belt shifters
@@koryklein477 Sure. Double wide idler should be fine. Also would add belt wrap.
My first thought too.
Oh Keith buddy I could feel your pain. Like so many projects that size. 1 step forward and three back. I guess the bright side is more great Metal Planer Restoration content for us. Here is wishing you a better day today.
Hi Keith Frustrating problems for sure. One thing I tell myself when a woodworking project I am doing has problems is that I am "out in the shop-enjoy it"! The frustration mostly stays but how I respond to it improves. 😀 regards vic
You are doing an amazing job on that planer. Only a slight set back. The planer is lucky it is with you.
I did try to point out this error in the previous video when you swaped the pulleys. You will get there, keep going.
To be honest, this episode was HILARIOUS!
Keith you got us all excited about the first cut soon 👍
Mr. Murphy showed up, I hear your dejection, but as others have said, you have the skills, machines, knowledge and ability to fix this. Go at it another day fresh! Reminder for me next time Murphy shows up in my shop, handle it with Keith's attitude and approach, don't have a meltdown over it
Nice to see those belts running, good to see the troubleshooting process in action.
Ha anyone NOT had a similar experience? I admire Keith’s ability to maintain some perspective and not fly off the handle. I would have.
He edits those parts out.
The log book in a design project said "unscheduled disassembly". That means things went wrong and the unit had to be fixed. It never stops.
What a blessing...second chances are such a precious gift. Rig looks good...KBO.
:hugs: Projects go like this some times - you've got this and we're all here behind you!
I admire your attitude, I take you as a role model Keith!
Looks great Keith. You are so close can't wait till you iron out the details .
Its, nice to see you are just human, figuring out how things where before, and give them a new life. Bravo!
Wow what a bunch of setbacks we are all so vested in seeing this baby running. The only good thing about this you are the guy to get this done. You may want to do both repair and cast that part as a backup. Good luck and keep making great content. So goes the life of restoring vintage machines. Best of luck
OUCH! Very glad you were not injured in the accident! I would also vote with Mr. Jeffrey Smith's suggestion of an idler pully.
Tough break! You are just the guy to make it right.
Take heart Keith. If anyone can do it, it is you.
I have enjoyed this rebuild, You are doing a great job and you are a better man than me, I probably would have thrown something and cussed a lot. Keep up the great work.
A machine with so many mechanisms usually presents this type of failure after a job as deep as the one you have done here. If we look on the bright side, this helps you create the content that we love so much. As for the broken piece, the horde screams... brazing! brazing! brazing! =)
Gutted for you Keith. Don't lose the faith. It's going to be a fine machine.
Excellent video and very nice work you do. It would be interesting to manufacture a helical bevel gear
Life is a learning process, you just learned something you hopefully will get right the next time. I know people who would have gotten a bigger hammer/wrench or a cutting torch to fix it when it didn't work.
Oh what a bummerKeith I bet the air was a little light blue and you had to cut it all out!. So sorry for all the extra work you now have to do. Along with many I was really looking forward to seeing the machine running and while maybe not making chips but at least the table running back and forth. And yes maybe that casting breaking was fortuitous as you can't know what sort of priceless piece of machinery could have been on the planer, possible to be wrecked completely if the table ran away from you. You will get there mate! Cheers from the UK
Wouldn't it be interesting to go back in time and see this machine installed new in a shop it was the CNC of it's day. The shops that had this were doing precision work,and watch your fingers lol.
You mention CNC - back in the 1980s (or 70s) I visited a place making mall threaded parts on lathes. They referred to them as 'autos' (automatic lathes) the precursors to CNC ! Sadly, I didn't get to find out what the control system was !
Cams, gears and punch cards!
I never make mistakes in my workshop, okay hardly ever, well once in a while, alright then. I make mistakes every day. Keith you are not alone. Welcome to the club. Still a great video today.
What a total setback. I truly do believe and I know from my heart you will get it straightened out. Just a little setback.
I’ll be here waiting for your next update. Until next time be safe take care.
Some days, shit happens. Just gotta roll with the punches and carry on. No matter how frustrating the day ended, it will never be as bad as when Brian (bcbloc) dropped his radial arm drill!
Thanks for sharing 🇨🇦
Not often you see Keith get excited on a video but nothing like getting something running
The glitches you're encountering underline the genius of design 100+ years ago. A time when all calculations were made manually. My first job was as a floor boy in a furniture factory that was still partly line shaft driven and 62 years later I can still hear the click, click, click of the belts. CLICK, CLICK, CLICK, CLICK, CLICK, CLICK, CLICK, ......................
I love the way you show reality Kieth. Many times in the field dealing with a broken bailer belt those wire clips have caused major agrivation! Great job with the planer! I enjoy watching a craftsman working.
Hey, Keith! Before you do anything hasty. Dunno if that is a 3-phase engine? Swap two phases and it goes the other direction. All you have to do then is to make a solution for the oilier. Just a taught.
Belt joiner, I’ve used a couple cable ties on my lathe drive belt . It’s was a temporary fix 20 years ago and it’s still going strong !
This is going to be so cool when it's running!
Keith doin't b eat yourself up on this one. You're doing a great job on restoring that machine and it was not "poor planing" in fact it's called fabrication engiineering. It happens and i've been there many times in the past, but in the end they all worked as they were intended. Keep on smiling.
Life throws curve balls sometimes. Take care Keith.
```If it were me, I'd get a hunk of tough steel and remake that lever. I don't think cast iron is the best material in that use.
you will get there, glad to see you dont easy get disheartened
Keith, we used a heavy pair of sharp scissors or a small pair of sharp tinsnips to cut the card stock, never a knife.
Also, try to keep the small, flat piece of card stock in place until the clips are secured by the wire rod. It helps to keep them aligned.
I agree, nothing we tried worked as well as the rawhide splice pins.
impressive honesty. i have every faith in you.
Can you put the clip strip in the crimper then cut it Keith? Would hold them all in place. Wonderful to see the planer up and running albeit with a few little problems
I have the same machine at work. You put the lacing strip in first then put pin in and close up up on lacing and then you cut the rest off.
Keith: Thanks for showing the reality of machinery repair & rebuild! The main thing is nobody was hurt and the repair is fairly easy.
thing´s do happen and i think that´s a part of the progress. heads up from the other side of the ocean, europe, germany, cheers.
Enjoying this series Keith. Thanks.
Looks like a job for windy Hill to cast a new one 🙂
I second the idler pulley. Or make some angle plates and just tilt it all backwards. instead of adding iron plates Also
i think a support ring on the outer part of the lever casting, weld it back up, turn that outer flat, and make a steel ring to press onto it. And i have learned to love hearing my crimp hit the pulleys also
Things happen for a reason ( lever broke before something serious happened), but I know you can fix it. Keep up the good work and stay safe.
You had an awesome day! You learned a whole bunch of stuff from a mistake!
Sorry for the problems but it's good to see that I'm not the only one that has this kind of stuff happening.
I used to use a similar belting material, it was called "Balata". To add a little tightening to the belts, without shortening, we would apply a little "Rubber Cement" to the inside of the belt. Bought the cement from a shoe finders supply
You will eventually get it going. There is many a slip between the cup and the lip.
A very old saying and very true, Harold! KOKO is all that can be done.
It was fascinating to see the millwright shorten or replace, and lace the belts with a portable vise-like device. Thanks for a refresher.
Having been burned by my memory too often, I have extensive files of pre-disassembly phone camera pictures. Bless my cell phone. Now I must REMEMBER to look at the pictures before I reassemble. Thanks for the refresher.
Chin up you'll overcome! Looks great
Love your work, Keith. You will get it. Keep at it.
Keith, I'd use an idler pulley to move the belt back out of the way of the gears after you swap the pulleys back. Just a thought..so you would not have to reposition the shaft. Dave in Texas
I have many days like that. Work all day and at the end you are farther behind than when you started. You should get a VFD or something to slow that motor down for testing. Thanks for the video!
Ah, bummer. You'll get it straight tho, no doubt about it.
Hi Keith!
Whoa... NOT exactly a dagger in the heart ....but we can tell you are disappointed!.... I bet this REALLY ticked you off!!
I am NOT going to offer "how I would do it".... you already know what has to be done!
You are a true craftsman, and we are certain that you will repair this machine, and it will operate as it was designed!
Best Wishes, and GOD BLESS!
Gary
This is the stage where Mr Pete would "go upstairs and pout ".
A frustrating day for sure, but not as bad when the hoist cable failed for Brian Blocc. That was scary.
I only saw that a week or so ago - I don't think I've recovered yet !
We're almost there. Keep on keepin' on, Mr. Rucker!!!👊😊
Oh Keith I feel your frustration. So sorry this has happened, but you know what? It has (and I'm a glass half full person) provided an opportunity to fix that partially broken lever that as you said, could have caused a major problem sometime later on, maybe even injuries. Perhaps its a lucky thing after all? Keep going Keith, its very close. All the best. Someone below suggested an idler, maybe thats a neat solution?
All the best problems along the way will make the first run even sweeter.
Awesome job Keith! Been following this planer project since day 1, I am super excited to see that table run!