Somnium VR1 Mixed Reality IS INSANE!🤯See YOUR CONTROLS in VR with HIGH RESOLUTION Passthrough! MSFS
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 พ.ค. 2024
- Showcasing what is possible with the Somnium VR1 high resolution colour pass through in Microsoft Flight Simulator. Thanks for watching :)
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My Somnium VR1 final thoughts and opinions video will be NEXT! What would you like to know? Tell me in the comments below 👇👇👇
I'm definitely going to get it quite simply because of the clarity in The Wider field of vision you really blew my mind today with the pass-through my biggest concern is it looks like it's going to be very front heavy
@@captandy62 Thanks for your comments. I'll be discussing this in more depth in my next video :)
Comfort. Is the headset comfortable to wear for several hours at a time? I understand that it's a LOT heavier than Quest 3 but want to make sure that it's sufficiently comfortable to use on a daily basis.
I'd like to know :- what is the SteamVR 100% scaling resolution. If it's a worthy upgrade to a varjo aero or should I wait for the pimax 3800x3800 headsets. ta
I’d like you to compare the sense of speed, normally a bigger FOV delivers on that too.
IMO this is the best selling point for this headset.
So exciting. And things are moving so quickly this level of tech should be more affordable in a year or two
Envious! As you know I really love MR and can't wait to evolve past the Quest 3. Exciting times for VR light sims.
Hey Russ, I'd love to see you have a play around with this. Especially seeing the results you've already achieved with the Quest 3. Thanks for stopping by 😊
Russ Barlow has shown a similar thing using the Quest 3 and 3rd party software. I am aware that the color pass through is no where near the quality you are getting Steve. I had never given any thought to how immersive seeing your own hands can be. There is another piece of 3rd party software that tracks your hand and shows a small mixed reality image around your hands rather than the fixed pass through I shown in this video.
You don't get anywhere the quality, or precision with masking and other options, but like you say, it's a great time for flight simulation!
@@VRFlightSimGuy Sorry, love your videos Steve and most of your opinions, but wow. Quest 3 is literally less than quarter of the price and the passthrough program for the Quest 3 is literally free . Its like my ESP guitar. I love my Gibsons, but my ESPs are half the price, feel good and sound great. Sorry...I know its a higher quality headset in some regards, but I dont think the upgrades are so massive to justify the 4 times the price. I am not a big fan of Meta, but what you get for the price is incredible. Just my opinion....
@@pilotguy27 ESPs are nice, but Gibsons... A big difference :)
@@pilotguy27he has a problem with other companies that are not Pimax. It is very weird that in one video says that this headset is incredible but it's not he's daily driver (the Crystal is). I think he has a weird focus to review things and honestly lately I see lots of incoherent opinions in his channel. He was the only one saying that the Q3 was problematic and had 5 FIVE headsets with dead pixels..... Meanwhile I had a Crystal and decided to keep the Q3 with Virtual desktop and sold the Pimax beta product called Crystal. The visuals are 10% worst maybe but you can go wireless and have a solid passthrough or read the news using the browser while flying.
This looks great. They should add a green screen feature so if you pop a green screen behind the yoke, but in front of the big box, it can ignore those areas and put your yoke properly in the game.
You can do this 👍
I agree. If it could show your hands in VR so they can be seen and interact with the virtual cockpit instruments too, it would be cool.
@@jimj2683 it is possible. Hand masking feature is inbuilt too
@@jimj2683 yes this will be final state dream
Ok, ok i am sold. Now it really would be nice to be able to purchase one😢
This is the killer feature for VR. I really hope the Crystal Light, with faceplate, can do something reasonably close to this.
For those interested with a quest 3/Pro and willing to experiment a bit, you create a custom cockpit texture with some bright unnatural color on parts in the plane you want passthough on and then use the Virtual Desktop passthough functionality. I did this for the floor, pedals and seatpadding in the DCS Viggen. It works quite well to get that feel for being "in the jet".
I have a quest 3 with virtual desktop and open kneeboard. I make a PNG image with a pink shape that I want to pass thru and a transparent background, load it into open kneeboard as a file, adjust the positioning and set the same pink colour in virtual desktops pass thru settings. Also set a button to toggle the pass thru on and off. I use it in iRacing and dcs
This seems absolutely great for 1st person pilot immersion! However, it's interesting because as a viewer (and therefore not personally sat in the cockpit as Steve is) I find watching the MR mask rather strange and odly less immersive than without it. It's quite a shock and throws up some very interesting questions...
It’s looking really special with MR. BBD new jewel is very good and performance is very good what was tuned because one of the betas was a performance slow down’ great now. Thanks Adam and Mike for having having me test all your products what a fun privilege
Thanks for all your beta testing. It's about time you were in the scenery next to me with your bmw
@@VRFlightSimGuy I did not even notice BBD changed your logo on you... Sorry. They have to update most if not all their airports because you are in them...
This is so cool. Love it!
I've tried the same thing with quest 3. My conclusion is that blocking large parts of the cocpit with pass through also takes something away from the immersion, and it is a trade off that is not worth it as a permanent solution. The quality of the passthrough or implementation, was not the problem for me at all, in fact i found it really impressive. Again, this is just my opinion.
Usually overlaying the passthrough wouldn't be this obvious, great software usually sorta green screens in only your hands and physical flight/driving/game controllers to lessen that obvious impact on immersion.
@@paulct91 Do you have any example of software that can do that? Ideally I would like to see my hands only and then line up my yoke to the in-game one.
If the scaling/proportions look better in VR1 than on the mirror I can totally understand how crazy immersive this would be. Shame how unstable the RL part is though, kind of jittering up and down. But maybe that feels different too when you're actually in it. Can't wait for this this gets perfected more in 3 years+!
Very different than the video, plus, that movement is because I'm talking making the headset move. Again, I don't see this in VR :)
Another great update, Steve, thanks! This seems to be in the forefront of upcoming headsets. Well done again fine sir! Looking forward to the next video!
Thanks buddy much appreciated 🙏☺️
Another fantastic video Steve! Your videos just keep getting better and better. You've certainly peaked my interest in the Somnium VR1.
However, there is one small concern I have where I could see this being a problem for my personal setup. That is, I enjoy racing in my cockpit with the lights off in the dark, even in VR. So my steering wheel and shifter is usually barely visible with the lights off and I rely mostly on muscle memory when reaching for my H-Pattern shifter. For those of us who enjoy playing our games in a dark room, can the Somnium VR1 provide a solution for this? Maybe a sort of night vision mode perhaps? Or will I need SOME lighting in my room for this work properly?
Thankyou I really appreciate that. That's a very good question. I have seen a "night mode" option in the software but haven't tried that yet. Maybe a question for Artur to answer.
Thanks for watching and for your kind words of support.
Awesome stuff! Great video, Steve. Thanks again! ♥♥♥♥♥
Thanks mate, I hope you have a splendid weekend. The weather is great here in the UK (finally)!! :)
@@VRFlightSimGuy We've had an absolutely BEAUTIFUL day over here as well, m8. And it's our national day as well. Our independence came in 1814. We've had several new temperature records for this day all over the country, reaching as high as 26 degrees. And the weather has been like this for a week now, and will continue at least for 10 more days, for as long as the forecast shows us. Crazy times in many aspects♥♥♥♥♥
Something similar can be done with Varjo Aero with its virtual desktop feature. In Varjo Aero settings set on "Wokrspace->Application background". Attach an USB Webcam to your Varjo Aero, open MSFS, open a video feed from your webcam with any capable software (e.g. VLC). Adjust sizes of the camera video feed and the size/position of the virtual desktop within working MSFS. It's not as nice as with Somnium (you can have a rectangular shape of the video passthrough only), but still worth playing with.
the future is bright! Great vid thanks allot mate
As critical as I have been about the form factor of the VR1, I will say I think this is impressive. Will be interested in your final opinion. It does seem promising
great video. thank you Steve!
Thankyou 😊
Cant wait to see your review of the pimax crystal MR Faceplate and features. Thats what im waiting for.
Pimac Crystal already has reviews by him, but yeah I too want reviews of Pimax MR face plates.
Great stuff Steve very exciting tech ... and also great to see my Old Stomping ground, Bembridge... flew in and out of there SO many times IRL (also Sandown) you get some interesting winds coming off the hill on approach !..and as you say not the flattest runway in the world :-)
Great to know mate thanks. I wasn't expecting to feel so many bumps on approach!
Much better than I expected. Thanks for the awesome video! Now if only they would hurry up and let me order one!
Fingers crossed! Thankyou for watching :)
Thanks for the video
Pleasure mate have a great weekend
I would love to see images of what it truly looks like. This is next level coolness! Just subscribed.
Thankyou so much!
13:05 I felt that, LOL.
I had the same feeling I get when being stuck inside a SketchUp model. Like I had to hold my breath. 😂😂
Great news, crazy whats possible!! Did I already ask you how you record your videos in the pimax? Obs with the open xr mirror?
Using VR1 mirror. Thanks for watching.
when I saw that varjo could do it 2 years back I knew this was comming to consumer vr headsets, excited to see the first one is arriving!
Totally agree, although I never expected this to arrive so quickly. We are a lucky lot!
Somnium VR1 at least pricewise isn't too consumer focused, but yeah technology is always moving forward!
Looks brilliant Steve, I am currently tying to do the same in my Quest 3 and getting maddened by all the apps you need to configure and co-ordinate. Can we use chromakey in the aircraft model?
Thanks for watching :) Although my knowledge is severely limited when it comes to using green screens and chromakeys, I'd imagine all this is very possible with the VR1 with a lot less fuss. The software is excellent already.
Oh so the OXRTK dynamic foveated rendering is working with VR1 now? Nice!!
BTW do you use rudder pedals? Which ones?
I managed to get it working after I calibrated the eye tracking. I'm using the Velocity One Rudder Pedals, I mention it in the video somewhere. Cheers for watching!
Dude… you are CLEARLY jazzed about this, so I’m going to believe you!
I’m SO ready for this tech to make it to the mainstream.
Thanks for watching. I'm not very good at holding back my excitement when I love something haha. Obviously it looks much better than on the video. Cheers for watching.
That's really cool, I've been using color panel for VR passthrough from flightsim to for a few weeks with msfs and I can't go back to not seeing my controls & not being able to write down ATC instructions! This is looking more and more like my next headset.
Kneeboard! You sold me at that!
Looks really great! Is there any way to modify the scale of the pass-through within VR?
Hey Tallymouse cheers mate!
Yes. You can literally change everything (shown in the video part of the software)
@VRFlightSimGuy This is what I am waiting for! I saw on your tour of varjo video awhile back a dev there had a knee strap button & knob controller, anything come of that??
My ideal solution would be to look at a virtual knob or button you want to control in the cockpit (same as currently you mouse over a control in MSFS it lights up blue) via eye tracking , press a button on the physical controller to select, then use the physical button/knob to manipulate the virtual switch/button!
I see a knob on your setup, is that knobster ? How you using it with VR?
Wow thats amazing Steve. Is there a thing how i can do it with my quest3? Not clear as this but maybe to see my yoke in a small window.
Yes, I'll have a video out in the next few weeks :)
Oh yeees! This is my dream setup! I currently need to find an alternative for my King Air cokcpit and hoping one comes around soon. I can't afford the VR1 and I don't think I could handle the heaviness of it. Hoping there will be a standalone passthrough camera coming soon that will work on any headset.
Curious: It obviously looks wrong in the mirror, but how does the depth of the passthrough feel inside the headset? does the perspective match well with the VR view and your eyes?
Hi Jon, please do post some photos of your King Air cockpit on my Discord, I'd love to see them. The video does not do it justice as the passthrough looks out of scale, but it's perfect in the headset. All this stuff can be changed. Cheers!
i have the same setup and live it :) smart VIEW on this video cheers !
Thankyou :)
Looks great buddy, only early exploration and can imagine what the potential can be once you fine tune - like all your new toys 😅. Would be handy being able to see and reach for your 🥃 in a cup holder 🤔
Cheers mate. Like you say, , early days but rather exciting. Best feature is definitely being able to find your mug of tea or beverage 🍻☕😂
If I added a green screen will it add the game, I’m trying to see how to configure just the hands or only way is post edit?
Steve is going to need a Chroma key onesie 😂
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Hey Steve.. exciting technology.. which do you think would be better the pimax crystal Super when it comes or the somnium vr1? Which will have the greater fov?
Thanks buddy. Impossible question to answer since the Somnium VR1 is a real product right now, whether the Pimax Crystal Super is just basically vapor ware at the moment. Only time will tell.
I say wait for reviews for both especially comparative reviews against one another, and simply save up in the meantime for the highest tier... just in case its right for you!
@paulct91 yes.. I'll stick with my pimax 8kx and varjo aero till then.. kind of disappointed I spent so much on the aero now as the fov is very underwhelming especially vertically.. been waiting on pimax to honor there 7kx trade in for 12k qled offer and won't allow that for Crystal Super but they did say the 12k qled will be the successor to the crystal Super but will require rtx 5090 minimum to run.. only just upgraded to 4090 last week
Hi @VRFlightSimGuy, when can we expect the final verdict about distortion and CA?
Next week latest
Done that approach to Benbridge in real life a few times. BBD has captured it well. I would have stayed a little higher over the cliff as there can be some tricky winds there.
Thanks for the tips! Great to know BBD are still on top form!
Impressive. I wonder if there will ever be stabilization.
How is the VR1 with respect to heat on your face?
The video that I was waiting, looks amazing!!, now please I need to buy one!!! sell me one!!!
Thanks for watching 😊
I'll be honest.. I don't know if I like it or not : /
I "need" the cockpit
but I also want a kneeboard etc in the real world
like.. I have to fully replicate a full internal cockpit??
how many??
dcs features many modules...
Does the pass-through image have depth? When there's two cameras that might actually be possible...
Great question
Yes.
The headset also includes hand tracking. I would be interested in if it can be used to press buttons and switches in the cockpit or turn knobs, though without haptic feedback.
I can imagine to use passthrough for my lap holder with map, reference points and notes like in real flight.
That would be Asobos domain, it wouid certainly add the icing on the cake.
@@VRFlightSimGuy Can hand tracking at least simulate mouse like PointCTRL and other finger mounted devices? It would be enough for me.
I suppose the headset also works with AMD GPUs (I have 7900XT) and not like nVidia only Varjo.
@VRFlightSimGuy This is what I am waiting for! I saw on your tour of varjo video awhile back a dev there had a knee strap button & knob controller, anything come of that??
My ideal solution would be to look at a virtual knob or button you want to control in the cockpit (same as currently you mouse over a control in MSFS it lights up blue), press a button on the physical controller to select, then use the physical button/knob to manipulate the virtual switch/button!
I’m undecided about the MR, although if I could get my goflight modules working in the sim I would be excited! The VR1 looks fantastic but far too expensive for me, even the basic one sadly. Great to see how far flight sims have matured from playing them on a Spectrum :)
VR1 is too expensive, so would a Crystal Light (+MR face plate) be closer to your comfortable price point?
@@paulct91it would and I’m looking at it, just waiting for Steve’s review. It doesn’t have an MR faceplate though, it’s a lighthouse face plate…unless I have missed something! :)
The quest 3 can do this too, with the free color panel utility. The pico 4 can as well, but only by downgrading the virtual desktop quality to high or lower
You don't get anywhere the quality, or precision with masking and other options, but like you say, it's a great time for flight simulation!
"At the moment I am in VR and I'm quite limited with what I can show you"
- can you not display virtual monitor overlays e.g off to your left or right?
I had enough going on in this video to deal with, as recording this stuff in VR means juggling a lot of balls. However, maybe for next time ;)
Are you doing a Pimax Crystal Light review? It's being shipped apparently 👍
Coming soon.
@@aprile1710 LOL 😂
@@artursychov🤦
You should adjust the world scale and the camera position in the cockpit, as currently your yoke and hands are HUGE in the cockpit, while they should match the cockpit scale if set up correctly.
It's not like that in VR 👍
It is interesting. Thanks as always Steve. However, the passthrough seems to cover part of the instruments and switches. That could rather be immersion breaking for many. And, it is more difficult to run through checklists without having to click away the passthrough all the time. The top would be MSFS to allow handtracking and you as VR pilot using VR gloves feeling the virtual knobs, switches and handles/yokes like you would in the real thing. But certainly, the VR1 may give a push in this direction for future headsets.
Hey there, thanks for your comments. Unfortunately the video depicts my controls as larger and slightly above the panel. However, that's why it's useful to have a short cut key on the headset to turn it off when you're not using it. Hand tracking would be great, but then you don't have tactile feedback of your actual controls. For cockpit builders, this is the holy grail. Cheers!
@@VRFlightSimGuy You are right. That is actually what I was thinking of: Being able to use VR gloves that simulate the tactile feedback.
@@VRFlightSimGuy No holy grail yet, imho. As said on other YT channels, for cockpit builders pass through should be combined with a chromakey screen that takes care of the outside view. Mark (Simhanger) and Russ Barlow have shown similar setups. Problem is you always see a thin coloured line around your hardware. In your case not, but your hardware is too big and shakes while your MIP doesn't. So there is room for improvement.
Do we need the 50series to really appreciate it??
I think you can see I'm appreciating this very well with my 4090 :) But of course, the more horsepower the better.
What's happened to the mic? Previous videos haven't been this bad with the popping and interference :(
Probably due to my excitement :D
@@VRFlightSimGuy because of Steve, we had to install an anti-excitement filter :-D
Can you record a thru the lens with Elite Dangerous? We have asked in the discord but we cant seem to get a response.
Not planned at the moment sorry. However if and when I get the new local dimming profile. I'll send a video in the Discord.
@@VRFlightSimGuy thank you!
Is there a reason why the overlay pops in and out?
Due to the limitations of the video
Looks great, but the MR version is out of my price range. Happy to stick with my Q3 and it's lower res but OK pass through.
I guess one of your cons will have to do with the extra thing you wrapped around the side straps.
Correct well spotted!
Looks decent
Discount code for VR cover seems to not work
Thx for letting me know 👍
This is all theoretical until the headset is up for sales
Great feature, but the instability of the image in the video window overlay is too distracting in its current form
That's due to talking with a VR headset on. It's NOT like that in VR
I’ve no interest in pass through personally, but I get why some people are, but for me a Somnium VR without all the pass through gear and at a lower price point would suit me. Although I’ll still probably buy the full HMD when it comes out
Ahhh just watched to the point in your vid where you discuss the various VR1 options. Eye tracking but no pass through for me 👍
@@UkDave3856cheers mate for watching 😊
I will be sold when AI comes in recognizing like... your legs, arms, yoke and so on, and excluding all the rest. That would be cool!
It is already possible on VR1 th-cam.com/video/ypb66f3vlWY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=cVZ29W5410-M1ahc
Somnium VR1 v pixmax crystal ?
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Meh. I'd rather want the image information (hands and controls, nothing else as an overlay) to be translated to 3D game geometry rather than video passthrough. Edit: Seems like there are at least ways to mask better, or make the "box" more bespoke. But I guess there will still be annoying clipping-issues galore.
You can make this way more realistic if you want. It's all with the user. Thanks for watching.
While I see and appreciate the technology, I feel it breaks immersion more than add to it. Seeing your yolk and hands but the rest cutoff in a window just looks wholly unnatural to me rather than just everything being rendered. Perhaps if the graphics of the sim were more realistic it would seem a bit more realistic to me. Just one mans opinion. Thanks for the video though.
Oh wow. I rather haptic feedback gloves, but until that tech is here, this is cool. Haptic will mean you feel all the switches, the clicks of the switches, force feeback, pressure, throttle, all of it. It's coming! Maybe, in the next years! Once Elon Musk has at it, won't even need gloves! JUst will plug into our brain. No headset, all direct to brain full life experience. Praying I live to see the day! We can all fly and experience so much of life without the risk or costs!
I bet it will be $3500
I mean.... personally i think this looks horrible... id say even breaking immersion... maybe if they softened the edges or something... i dunooooo
It's very hard to show on a video as mentioned. Thanks for watching
On video it looks much worse. You can soften edges and do whatever and however you want in our software
And you can key it with a green screen behind the yoke. If I got that right...?
@@janred94 yes
Looks awful to me. No thanks.