I flew flight 821 Moscow->Perm in january 2001 when it was performed by the main Aeroflot (not the Nord division as here) with a Tupolev Tu-134. When a stewardess upon entry in the cabin could hear that I was not Russian she immedeately notified the captain who then tried to make all cabin announcements also in English. Flight was good, food was great, stewardesses were stunning and the landing in Perm (in the dark morning hours on a very snow covered runway) was perfect. 2 weeks later I made the return flight followed by a Tupolev Tu-154 flight Moscow->Amsterdam. That flight I'll never forget. Amsterdam ATC (probably because of the noisy Tupolev flying over densely populated Amsterdam ZO and Amstelveen) let the plane stay as high as possible for as long as possible; so that the captain had to use 3x the lift-dumping wing spoilers in-flight (I have a pilot licence myself and was sitting next to the wing) in order to quickly lose height while being already close to the runway. So ATC basicly forced the pilot to make a very unstable approach. When we then were descending the last meters towards the runway I was waiting for the noise which is common when the plane and its wheels hit the runway. I waited, and waited.....nothing. I could see others also looking with a question on their face: where was the kaboem noise of landing? Nowhere... The pilot made a landing as smooth as silk, touching down so softly that you could not hear or feel the touching down of the wheels while landing. Only because I could see the wings being level I could know that we had to be on the ground...it was the most perfect landing I ever have experienced in any airliner during 40+ years....
Yes. Almost from the beginning as they were approaching it looked like an accident waiting to happen. I don''t think the captain had a clue on what to do next so he passed it off to the first officer and said to deal with it.
So let me get this right. A plane with a engine defect, a Captain with not enough experience and drunk, a first officer not able to pass his training. Nice one Aeroflot.
Stupid comment, there's plenty of cases of US pilots being found to be intoxicated. With the smaller regional airlines fatigue in their pilots is just as bad
@@billolsen4360 at what point have I suggested that? I've pointed out that this isn't solely a problem with Russian pilots, but it would be wrong to suggest all Russian pilots fly when drunk
I got sober in 2008 with the help of a support group. There was a pilot of a airline you would know, in my group. He personally said he flew drunk many many times.
I flew Aeroflot March 1986. I was on a student exchange trip to Moscow. We left Turcu Finland on a Tupolev knock off of a Boeing aircraft. Very few of the seats were completely bolted down. They were sort of like sitting in sheet metal. Which they were. The captain could not be heard and there were absolutely no preflight instructions. Those engines sounded like engines from a tractor in the post World War II era.I’ve never been so terrified in my entire life to be on an airplane. Although I will say it had the strongest coffee I’ve ever had in my life. So not only was I terrified I had the jitters. The landing was a crab landing that basically splooted onto the runway.Whatever you do please don’t fly Aeroflot, they don’t even mean well.
It was probably a Tupolev TU-154 that you flew in, which (like the Hawker Siddely Trident and Boeing 727) had 2 engines situated very rearward (one each side of the fuselage) and a 3rd engine centrally, in front of the tail. It was designed in the mid-60s and I doubt it was a "knock-off" of the Boeing aircraft. Aeroflot didn't have the greatest reputation for safety but around the time of your exchange flight it was (by far) the world's largest airline with something like 15% of all civilian passenger journeys carried by them. To be fair, Aeroflot has had a better safety record than some American airlines during the last 20 years.
@@timonsolus They were but post Ukraine invasion, I wouldn't fly them if it were free. They kept those planes they were supposed to return to their lessors and cannot get parts on Airbus/Boeing due to sanctions. They rebuilt pretty nicely until that. Now, they're scary.
@@sbolden123 I agree with you...it was a sarcastic dig at Aeroflot. If you think drunk pilots are a problem....the alcoholism of maintenance crew is worse.
Interesting to note that the Russian investigators didn't recommend forbidding the consumption of large quantities of Vodka before strapping in to the pilots seat.
I've actually listened to the CVR myself. A warning, it is some haunting and bone-chilling stuff. You could hear the captain's inebriation in his voice and in the words he spoke. It also is disturbing to me how these pilots (allegedly) falsified their qualifications to fly the 737. Scary how their lack of experience and difficulty in the learning process were major factors in this disaster. Also, the fact that the captain was under the influence made me feel ill inside.
They're flying one of the safest aircraft of all time (the rudder defects in the early 90s and the computerized anti-stall issues on the ones with new engines are rare exceptions) but poor maintenance and incompetent pilots are deadly.
Fix in the description about +06 we have Yekaterinburg time, I just live nearby with this place where was air crash September 14, 2008. Hello from Perm!
Regulatory and corporate failure. Yet another company that was allowed to expand its routes too quickly, couldn't find enough qualified pilots for low wages, and promoted undertrained and inexperienced people beyond their competency. The industry keeps repeating the same mistakes every time there's an economic downturn.
I’m commenting before I watch , I seen this crash on a documentary and a passenger told the flight attendant before take off that the pilot sounds drunk she was so scared the passenger even called a friend to tell her concerns , well that didn’t help obviously
We trust so many aspects of our lives to people we don't know and it can get scary when you have those like this. When the Pakistan air crash happened a few years ago they found a bunch of their pilots weren't qualified or had been disqualified. Again scary ! There was another Aeroflot flight (don't know the # off hand) in which the pilots showed up drunk before the flight but fortunately that one never took off. I also remember a Japan Air Lines cargo flight in Anchorage, Alaska in which the captain was drunk. How they were allowed to board the plane is unknown. And on this one, didn't the first officer get concerned because his captain was drinking????
Why did Aeroflot Nord make this inexperienced joker a captain? Was that ever investigated? Whose cousin was he that he got fast-tracked into that role?
I remember listening to the CVR of this... I would be terrifying to know the Captain was drunk and to then experience the plane banking like that. The fear and dread setting in, knowing that you're about to die because of someones negligence. Hopefully these is a special place in hell for that man.
Legend has it that the drunken Captain is still burning in Hell for his transgression. The ultimate betrayal of all the passengers on board and the aircraft itself under his command.
This accident typifies Aeroflot in the 90s and early 2000s, they had a SHOCKING record for safety back then and thankfully they made some major changes and massively improved.
when they started converting from Russian aircraft to "western" aircraft (Boeing and Airbus), they were poorly trained. Poor training also caused the crash of an Airbus when the pilot let his kid sit in the pilot's seat. The plane started to pitch and the pilot didn't know how to correct it. It too ended up crashing and killing everyone.
For this to have happened in 08 is just so unnecessary. I mean 2008!! Drunk and inexperienced!? Those poor people:(.... Two idiots at the controls, and okay he's drunk, but to struggle with something relatively simple like engine thrust asymmetry?? There have been pilots who had nothing but asymmetrical thrust to turn fly and land their planes and this baffled these guys? Why the hell was the plane in service if it was so detrimental? Oh ya its Russia!?!? I feel so so sorry to those who lost there lives. I feel if not this plane it would've happened at some point due to the lack of mental capability by either of these fools.
Russia huh? Probably had been tossing back the vodka. Lol. Seriously though, its obvious the guy was not only drunk but nuts & didn’t care if he killed himself or others
They need to install an ignition interlock system on planes like they do a car when you've been convicted of a DUI here in 🇨🇦. If you are under the influence the plane won't start. Kidding of course but it wouldn't be unreasonable to require pilots to blow into a breathalyzer before getting on the plane.
Horrible crash and preventable too. How sad. Peace to the victims of these two who shouldn't have been flying this plane. Thanks for another great video Allec 💚
"And that concludes our recommendations on how to avoid something like this in the future. Thank you all for coming". "Hey, what about a "Don't get wasted & fly, when you have 88+ souls in your hands.. and maybe check both pilots out.. BEFORE they kill everyone, instead of after?" "And that concludes our recommendations on how to avoid something like this in the future. Thank you all for coming- except you..".
I've seen at least 3 different recreations of this crash, none of them said anything about thrust imbalance or pilots inadequate training. As always, enjoyed your video.
Excellent choice to show that lack of English and training played a huge part here. The lack of communication between pilots and tower also come into play. 25 seconds is a huge amount of time for no imputs by either pilot when clearly the aircraft is becoming unstable.
Unfortunately, not untypical for Aeroflot and the Russian mentality. I would refer to the depiction of the Artificial Horizon Indicator as 'older style. and modern style rather than east and west. The modern style is common enough now and has been made available through the adoption of 'glass-cockpit' installations where we're looking at what are simply glass screens. The captain would be more familiar with the gyro system having been flying the older Tupolev. It's not the first accident due to the confusion and lack of familiarity with the systems. During my time flying Aid operations in the Congo, it was almost considered normal to smell alcohol on the breath of the eastern block pilots while talking with them on the ramp at any time of the day. A co-pilot I flew with and had previously flown with Russian crews told me that vodka was always available on the flight deck. Having seen the state of their ancient cargo aircraft I could hardly blame them, they appeared to be flying around looking for somewhere to crash.
When you described the final loss of control I was wondering whether the Captain had more previous experience on a Russian type and became confused by the ADI when under pressure (and drunk). This is similar to Tarom flight 371 (apart from not being drunk in this case). However, I don’t think your illustration at 10.30 shows this very well. It seems like the two aircraft are banking in different directions but the yellow arrow suggests they are the same.
Excellent as usual Allec and maybe you made this point and I missed it, but another big issue in this Captain's transition to the 737 is that the plane he was used to flying (Tu 134) had 4 crew, so he wouldn't have had the same sort of experience managing thrust imbalances since those jobs were split off the pilot?
This makes a person wonder, are some of these airlines so desperate for pilots that it causes them to dismiss the fact that the pilots do not have the required experience. Are they that desperate to get planes in the air so they can make money that they will place their passengers at great risk and put pilots in the cockpit that have absolutely no business being there? The poor passengers and flight attendants never stood a chance.
OMG the poor friend in the UK that will never get a message again. I wonder how frightend he was until he read the last message of his friend that he is worried about the drunk pilot.
Russians drink prodigious amounts of vodka. I was with one once in Croatia he drunk untold amounts of vodka every night.....it was extraordinary to observe!
On the diagram in the video, the "eastern style" would be the one on the left of the screen, with the horizontal horizon, and the "western style" would be the one on the right, with the tilted horizon. Western style, the horizon tilts (in the direction opposite the actual aircraft's bank angle); in the eastern style, the horizon is always horizontal (and the aircraft symbol tilts in the direction of the actual aircraft's bank angle). Once you get that the western style horizon tilts, and that the eastern style horizon does not tilt, it's hard to see how a pilot could confuse the two. Someone please correct me if I somehow got this all wrong!
The video goes through all of the technical explanations of the engines power and asymmetry, blah blah blah. But it all comes down to the very last statement: the pilot was intoxicated.
Split throttles are an inconvenience, not a reason to crash an airplane. Alcohol is something I never consumed while on layovers. In my 40 years in the cockpit I owed my passengers my best professional work. Sadly this Capt. didn't feel the same way.
What bothers me, is when they say that the Captain has 15000÷ hours Flying experience, the first officer isn't too far behind him and yet,,,,well u know!
If 'Medvedev' is from the same family, like the one in the Kremlin, no wonder that he was promoted captain on the 737 without any serious qualification. Just the family name counted and his relation to the Kremlin.
Or all the same, Boeing has quality problems. I suspect that this is the case - since even the BBC made a film justifying the crash of the boeng. in particular, there was a case when a sharp rolling of the tail unit led to the separation of the tail section of the aircraft ... and other shortcomings were also considered.
@@julosx And after that, the Russians were victorious over the Japan continental army again three times. in 1938, 1939 and 1945. Is it not enough to demonstrate a capability?
@@paulcooper8818 Yes, the lack of pilot training in the post-Communist Russia is a completely different matter than glorious victories of the Red Army.
I wonder who that "Captain" "knew" in Aerofloat management to get the promotion when he clearly wasn't qualified. Not to mention they had to have known he was a drunkard/liability, I'm sure he'd shown up plenty of times for morning flights hung over. Also that first officer not knowing how to fly the plane, not speaking up/kicking the Captain off the plane cause he was drunk, he's IMO just as culpable.
Let me get this straight, first a pilot lets his kid fly the plane, and now we have an impaired pilot… Aeroflot, you have officially lost my business, and most likely that of many other people that I intend to fly with in the future
I flew flight 821 Moscow->Perm in january 2001 when it was performed by the main Aeroflot (not the Nord division as here) with a Tupolev Tu-134. When a stewardess upon entry in the cabin could hear that I was not Russian she immedeately notified the captain who then tried to make all cabin announcements also in English. Flight was good, food was great, stewardesses were stunning and the landing in Perm (in the dark morning hours on a very snow covered runway) was perfect.
2 weeks later I made the return flight followed by a Tupolev Tu-154 flight Moscow->Amsterdam. That flight I'll never forget. Amsterdam ATC (probably because of the noisy Tupolev flying over densely populated Amsterdam ZO and Amstelveen) let the plane stay as high as possible for as long as possible; so that the captain had to use 3x the lift-dumping wing spoilers in-flight (I have a pilot licence myself and was sitting next to the wing) in order to quickly lose height while being already close to the runway. So ATC basicly forced the pilot to make a very unstable approach. When we then were descending the last meters towards the runway I was waiting for the noise which is common when the plane and its wheels hit the runway. I waited, and waited.....nothing. I could see others also looking with a question on their face: where was the kaboem noise of landing? Nowhere... The pilot made a landing as smooth as silk, touching down so softly that you could not hear or feel the touching down of the wheels while landing. Only because I could see the wings being level I could know that we had to be on the ground...it was the most perfect landing I ever have experienced in any airliner during 40+ years....
: ) ^^ thankyou
A drunk and inexperienced captain and an unproven first officer, is about as bad of a combination as you can have on the flight deck.
Or 2 dead pilots either or tbf
Add to that a defective plane and the recipe for a disaster is complete.
@@MrGoogelaar indeed
Yes. Almost from the beginning as they were approaching it looked like an accident waiting to happen. I don''t think the captain had a clue on what to do next so he passed it off to the first officer and said to deal with it.
@@muffs55mercury61 technically, in a way, he did deal with it
So let me get this right. A plane with a engine defect, a Captain with not enough experience and drunk, a first officer not able to pass his training. Nice one Aeroflot.
Nailed it . Yeltsin was drunk all the time so ....
obviously, don't fly on Aeroflot.
@@mattt8889 Aeroflop as it was known back in the day.
Oh, you know those crrrr-aaazzzy Ruskies!!
Don’t you think your being a bit hard on them?
Oh god I’m just kidding 😆
Aeroflot needs a breathalyzer in the cockpit before the engines start
Stupid comment, there's plenty of cases of US pilots being found to be intoxicated.
With the smaller regional airlines fatigue in their pilots is just as bad
@@michaeldunham3385 Then there should be an ignition interlock in ALL aircraft.
@@michaeldunham3385 So that makes it okay for that Russian pilot to be drunk on the flight deck, huh?
@@billolsen4360 at what point have I suggested that? I've pointed out that this isn't solely a problem with Russian pilots, but it would be wrong to suggest all Russian pilots fly when drunk
I got sober in 2008 with the help of a support group. There was a pilot of a airline you would know, in my group. He personally said he flew drunk many many times.
At least this one made it to the ground safely enough to tell the story.
its so easy to fly now, i'd be on edibles as capt.
@@crazychariotgrabber9085 still illegal mate as you can not fly or drive while under the influence
@@topgun1457 are you...going to mate with me?
Denzel Washington?
I flew Aeroflot March 1986. I was on a student exchange trip to Moscow. We left Turcu Finland on a Tupolev knock off of a Boeing aircraft. Very few of the seats were completely bolted down. They were sort of like sitting in sheet metal. Which they were. The captain could not be heard and there were absolutely no preflight instructions. Those engines sounded like engines from a tractor in the post World War II era.I’ve never been so terrified in my entire life to be on an airplane. Although I will say it had the strongest coffee I’ve ever had in my life. So not only was I terrified I had the jitters. The landing was a crab landing that basically splooted onto the runway.Whatever you do please don’t fly Aeroflot, they don’t even mean well.
Splooted is a new one but most descriptive.
I think Aeroflot are much better now than they were in Soviet times.
It was probably a Tupolev TU-154 that you flew in, which (like the Hawker Siddely Trident and Boeing 727) had 2 engines situated very rearward (one each side of the fuselage) and a 3rd engine centrally, in front of the tail. It was designed in the mid-60s and I doubt it was a "knock-off" of the Boeing aircraft. Aeroflot didn't have the greatest reputation for safety but around the time of your exchange flight it was (by far) the world's largest airline with something like 15% of all civilian passenger journeys carried by them. To be fair, Aeroflot has had a better safety record than some American airlines during the last 20 years.
What an absolute horrendous combination of inadequacy and high levels of caffeine! They should have handed out valium instead. Lol
@@timonsolus They were but post Ukraine invasion, I wouldn't fly them if it were free. They kept those planes they were supposed to return to their lessors and cannot get parts on Airbus/Boeing due to sanctions. They rebuilt pretty nicely until that. Now, they're scary.
Also, if there was a known problem with the aircraft it should have been grounded for maintenance. 😒🤷♂️
It's Aeroflot...maintenance is optional.
@@jstenberg3192 it would have saved lives
@@sbolden123 not necessarily with a captain crocked to the gills
@@sbolden123 I agree with you...it was a sarcastic dig at Aeroflot. If you think drunk pilots are a problem....the alcoholism of maintenance crew is worse.
@@jstenberg3192 damn 😢
Interesting to note that the Russian investigators didn't recommend forbidding the consumption of large quantities of Vodka before strapping in to the pilots seat.
I've actually listened to the CVR myself. A warning, it is some haunting and bone-chilling stuff. You could hear the captain's inebriation in his voice and in the words he spoke. It also is disturbing to me how these pilots (allegedly) falsified their qualifications to fly the 737. Scary how their lack of experience and difficulty in the learning process were major factors in this disaster. Also, the fact that the captain was under the influence made me feel ill inside.
Where can I listen to the CVR?
I hate to say this; but Aeroflot is a third world airline.
@@kimma508 do a youtube search for "Aeroflot flight 821 CVR".
@@LegendaryRadioJock Thanks
This is exactly why I refuse to fly anymore. Not worth the risk.
Never saw throttles with that much split. My airline had a 1/2 knob split as a maximum. Somebody needed to rig that airplane.
I know only a few people who have flown Аэрофлот. None flew it twice.
The trust you place on pilots is your life in they're hands, l hope the lady who texted never realized the inevitable decend RIP
OF COURSE SHE DID! She went down like the rest of them did.
They're flying one of the safest aircraft of all time (the rudder defects in the early 90s and the computerized anti-stall issues on the ones with new engines are rare exceptions) but poor maintenance and incompetent pilots are deadly.
Fix in the description about +06 we have Yekaterinburg time, I just live nearby with this place where was air crash September 14, 2008.
Hello from Perm!
So sad that a drunk captain could not correct his incompetent first officer
Doubt he would have been more helpful sober.
Regulatory and corporate failure. Yet another company that was allowed to expand its routes too quickly, couldn't find enough qualified pilots for low wages, and promoted undertrained and inexperienced people beyond their competency. The industry keeps repeating the same mistakes every time there's an economic downturn.
I’m commenting before I watch , I seen this crash on a documentary and a passenger told the flight attendant before take off that the pilot sounds drunk she was so scared the passenger even called a friend to tell her concerns , well that didn’t help obviously
We trust so many aspects of our lives to people we don't know and it can get scary when you have those like this. When the Pakistan air crash happened a few years ago they found a bunch of their pilots weren't qualified or had been disqualified. Again scary !
There was another Aeroflot flight (don't know the # off hand) in which the pilots showed up drunk before the flight but fortunately that one never took off.
I also remember a Japan Air Lines cargo flight in Anchorage, Alaska in which the captain was drunk. How they were allowed to board the plane is unknown. And on this one, didn't the first officer get concerned because his captain was drinking????
Crazy story. Was reading about John Denver’s plane crash. Should cover that one next.
RIP to the passengers. Those pilots should never have been flying that plane.
I can’t believe,this accident makes me mad.😤
Why did Aeroflot Nord make this inexperienced joker a captain? Was that ever investigated? Whose cousin was he that he got fast-tracked into that role?
What ? Me worry ?
Joker was warm body in captain's chair. Aeroflot Nord executives ride in private plane with pilots from Phillipines.
I remember listening to the CVR of this... I would be terrifying to know the Captain was drunk and to then experience the plane banking like that. The fear and dread setting in, knowing that you're about to die because of someones negligence. Hopefully these is a special place in hell for that man.
Is the CVR available online ?
Legend has it that the drunken Captain is still burning in Hell for his transgression. The ultimate betrayal of all the passengers on board and the aircraft itself under his command.
@@09weenic th-cam.com/video/D2eJkJBwxsI/w-d-xo.html
Actually, the case is from Aeroflot-Nord, a former subsidiary of Aeroflot, now Smartavia.
The airline was rebranded as Nordavia in 2011 and Smartavia in 2019.
It blows my mind that a plane in that condition is allowed to fly.
CRM to Russian pilots means Cocktail Resource Management.
This accident typifies Aeroflot in the 90s and early 2000s, they had a SHOCKING record for safety back then and thankfully they made some major changes and massively improved.
when they started converting from Russian aircraft to "western" aircraft (Boeing and Airbus), they were poorly trained. Poor training also caused the crash of an Airbus when the pilot let his kid sit in the pilot's seat. The plane started to pitch and the pilot didn't know how to correct it. It too ended up crashing and killing everyone.
For this to have happened in 08 is just so unnecessary. I mean 2008!! Drunk and inexperienced!? Those poor people:(....
Two idiots at the controls, and okay he's drunk, but to struggle with something relatively simple like engine thrust asymmetry??
There have been pilots who had nothing but asymmetrical thrust to turn fly and land their planes and this baffled these guys? Why the hell was the plane in service if it was so detrimental?
Oh ya its Russia!?!?
I feel so so sorry to those who lost there lives. I feel if not this plane it would've happened at some point due to the lack of mental capability by either of these fools.
Exactly it is just Russia. And you got drunkards like these responsible for the lives of numerous people in Russia.
Russia huh? Probably had been tossing back the vodka. Lol. Seriously though, its obvious the guy was not only drunk but nuts & didn’t care if he killed himself or others
They need to install an ignition interlock system on planes like they do a car when you've been convicted of a DUI here in 🇨🇦.
If you are under the influence the plane won't start.
Kidding of course but it wouldn't be unreasonable to require pilots to blow into a breathalyzer before getting on the plane.
Horrible crash and preventable too. How sad. Peace to the victims of these two who shouldn't have been flying this plane. Thanks for another great video Allec 💚
This is what we call a recipe for disaster 🚫🤦♂️🙏👎😭
Unfortunate incident.
Thanks Allec.
Rest in Peace you all.
Tragic.
A drunken captain practically insures a nasty flight and unsure landing, if the craft manages to take off. Bastard.
@@dehoedisc7247
Well, yeah, there's that.
How about recommending the engines be maintained properly to avoid significant thrust imbalance?
For real though! Thrust imbalance should NEVER be a thing. Honestly hope that preventative maintenance is a takeaway from this.
12 hours, bottle to throttle.
Drunken, surly PIC.
Incapable, uncertain First Officer.
Mechanically compromised flight systems.
Doom was inevitable.
"And that concludes our recommendations on how to avoid something like this in the future. Thank you all for coming".
"Hey, what about a "Don't get wasted & fly, when you have 88+ souls in your hands.. and maybe check both pilots out.. BEFORE they kill everyone, instead of after?"
"And that concludes our recommendations on how to avoid something like this in the future. Thank you all for coming- except you..".
You should add the Air Crash Investigation clip at impact
Alcohol & inexperience are a deadly mix!
9/14/2008
Names: Cap'n Родион Медведев, 1st Officer Рустем Аллабердин
Age: 34 (Родион) 43 (Рустем)
Flying Time: 5 months (Родион), 1 year (Рустем)
Status: Nosecrash
Survivors: 0/94
I've seen at least 3 different recreations of this crash, none of them said anything about thrust imbalance or pilots inadequate training. As always, enjoyed your video.
You never know the actual pilots or plane when you step aboard. Always a frightening thought, when you consider this debacle.
Now I am curious how common it is for multi-engined aircraft to fly with mismatched thrust?
I flew the 737 for 8 years and have actually never heard of this.
no doubt poor maintenance regime.
Aeroflot again??? They seem to think they are driving a go-kart. Not the truth. Nice job Allec. I always enjoy your videos.
Those poor passengers.💔
Love the music at the end.☘️👍
Excellent choice to show that lack of English and training played a huge part here. The lack of communication between pilots and tower also come into play. 25 seconds is a huge amount of time for no imputs by either pilot when clearly the aircraft is becoming unstable.
When you order your flight crew at Wish.
Damn Russian vodka 😳 Have a safe weekend allec❤️
Don't let people pilot an airplane that doesn't now how : please don't !
now?
Allec Josh Ebay is back!
Maybe captain Medviedev drink a bottle of Vodka before the flight
Unfortunately, not untypical for Aeroflot and the Russian mentality. I would refer to the depiction of the Artificial Horizon Indicator as 'older style. and modern style rather than east and west. The modern style is common enough now and has been made available through the adoption of 'glass-cockpit' installations where we're looking at what are simply glass screens. The captain would be more familiar with the gyro system having been flying the older Tupolev. It's not the first accident due to the confusion and lack of familiarity with the systems. During my time flying Aid operations in the Congo, it was almost considered normal to smell alcohol on the breath of the eastern block pilots while talking with them on the ramp at any time of the day. A co-pilot I flew with and had previously flown with Russian crews told me that vodka was always available on the flight deck. Having seen the state of their ancient cargo aircraft I could hardly blame them, they appeared to be flying around looking for somewhere to crash.
When you described the final loss of control I was wondering whether the Captain had more previous experience on a Russian type and became confused by the ADI when under pressure (and drunk). This is similar to Tarom flight 371 (apart from not being drunk in this case). However, I don’t think your illustration at 10.30 shows this very well. It seems like the two aircraft are banking in different directions but the yellow arrow suggests they are the same.
This was awful, mostly because it was so stupid.
Excellent as usual Allec and maybe you made this point and I missed it, but another big issue in this Captain's transition to the 737 is that the plane he was used to flying (Tu 134) had 4 crew, so he wouldn't have had the same sort of experience managing thrust imbalances since those jobs were split off the pilot?
Thanks for pointing that out. But to be honest I don't have much knowledge on soviet era aircraft.
A shame you didn’t include the CVR audio.
Several factors here, and just one of them alone is fatal. RIP to all.
thank you Allec.
This makes a person wonder, are some of these airlines so desperate for pilots that it causes them to dismiss the fact that the pilots do not have the required experience. Are they that desperate to get planes in the air so they can make money that they will place their passengers at great risk and put pilots in the cockpit that have absolutely no business being there? The poor passengers and flight attendants never stood a chance.
With those pilots in fhe flight deck of that airplane, only a miracle could saved those poor passengers….😖😖😖😖😖
OMG the poor friend in the UK that will never get a message again. I wonder how frightend he was until he read the last message of his friend that he is worried about the drunk pilot.
4:11 Of course he gets no response, the seats are empty! :-) :-)
Russians drink prodigious amounts of vodka. I was with one once in Croatia he drunk untold amounts of vodka every night.....it was extraordinary to observe!
Where he can find vodka in Croatia?!
Aeroflot Nord motto --- We have competent crew up to 70% of time
On the diagram in the video, the "eastern style" would be the one on the left of the screen, with the horizontal horizon, and the "western style" would be the one on the right, with the tilted horizon. Western style, the horizon tilts (in the direction opposite the actual aircraft's bank angle); in the eastern style, the horizon is always horizontal (and the aircraft symbol tilts in the direction of the actual aircraft's bank angle). Once you get that the western style horizon tilts, and that the eastern style horizon does not tilt, it's hard to see how a pilot could confuse the two. Someone please correct me if I somehow got this all wrong!
I was thinking the same, and the different styles is most likely a factor too.
Aviate, Navigate, Communicate, inebriate. Is that the correct order ?
So many things wrong here, but why weren’t the engines fixed or replaced to cure the asymmetrical thrust either?
Not even recommended? 🤔
They also recommended that pilots not get wasted right before flying.
I’m surprised they were able to find enough remains of anyone for an autopsy.
Listen to the CVR. You'll get even angrier.
The video goes through all of the technical explanations of the engines power and asymmetry, blah blah blah. But it all comes down to the very last statement: the pilot was intoxicated.
Split throttles are an inconvenience, not a reason to crash an airplane. Alcohol is something I never consumed while on layovers. In my 40 years in the cockpit I owed my passengers my best professional work. Sadly this Capt. didn't feel the same way.
He was an exception, a deadly exception. Thank You for your service.
What a cluster f**k. This was a flight that was always going to end in disaster.
Well done video, a like from me
Completely preventable!
Astonishing incompetence all around.
The Russians will learn that flying with them is only one of many things that we won't do again.
A Drunk pilot terrible idea
Reports like this are so so sad!! But truth needs to be known ....
Hey dude! what flight simulator do you use?
Truly horrific. I feel for that poor Brit, she should have gotten off the plane...
As a non-pilot I have to say I find the eastern-style display more intuitive than the western.
same
The passenger should've raised hell and disembarked.It is unfortunate that most people tend to be intimidated by professionals.
What bothers me, is when they say that the Captain has 15000÷ hours Flying experience, the first officer isn't too far behind him and yet,,,,well u know!
If 'Medvedev' is from the same family, like the one in the Kremlin, no wonder that he was promoted captain on the 737 without any serious qualification.
Just the family name counted and his relation to the Kremlin.
Medvedev is one the most numerous surnames in Russia, like Jackson
Aeroflot is Russina so this explains a lot.
Wow...... It shoud be named aeroPlop.....
A 50 million dollar jet
A captain making five thousand a year and his Peeps
That's Asset Protection
'Aeroflot' always has always given me bad vibes whenever i hear the word.
If it’s a Russian, it’s likely drunk.
Or all the same, Boeing has quality problems. I suspect that this is the case - since even the BBC made a film justifying the crash of the boeng. in particular, there was a case when a sharp rolling of the tail unit led to the separation of the tail section of the aircraft ... and other shortcomings were also considered.
If that was the crash site photo how did they find enough of the captain to test his blood alcohol level… I see only tiny pieces no bodies….
Looks like the Russians run their army and their airlines with the same level of competence....
The Russians defeated Napoleon, just saying
@@sublimeade And then they got defeated by the Japanese in 1905.
@@julosx And after that, the Russians were victorious over the Japan continental army again three times. in 1938, 1939 and 1945. Is it not enough to demonstrate a capability?
@@TheRetiredPanther Too bad none of that helps when flying a plane
@@paulcooper8818 Yes, the lack of pilot training in the post-Communist Russia is a completely different matter than glorious victories of the Red Army.
I wonder who that "Captain" "knew" in Aerofloat management to get the promotion when he clearly wasn't qualified. Not to mention they had to have known he was a drunkard/liability, I'm sure he'd shown up plenty of times for morning flights hung over. Also that first officer not knowing how to fly the plane, not speaking up/kicking the Captain off the plane cause he was drunk, he's IMO just as culpable.
Russia Are Known For Chaotist And This Case Are A Complete Mindlessness About Safety. So "Alleluia"... I Mean "Thanks" For That..
This is literally the worst sequence of events I have ever seen in my 35 years in aviation.........its no wonder they crashed.
Let me get this straight, first a pilot lets his kid fly the plane, and now we have an impaired pilot…
Aeroflot, you have officially lost my business, and most likely that of many other people that I intend to fly with in the future
Drunken Pilot? Correct way to say it is “Drunk Pilot” Drunken lol
In short... Never, under any circumstances, fly Aeroflot... Unless you'd like the extremely high chance of death.