The note about getting catalogue parts makes sense. Sure stuff is off the shelf but the magic is how they get the parts to work together and squirt oil with the perfect flow
I do want to clarify that many of the internals are designed and manufactured by us. But we are very transparent that we will use top hats and brackets from overseas manufacturers when we can to bring high end damper tech to the masses.
Love these conversations, as an engineer in this field its always good to hear an expert simplify it to a point it makes sense in layman terms. To his comment on super high rebound basically it means the wheel won’t ever drop, think pot hole or post curb hoop… the body of the car will fall into the hole or drop making a super harsh return to plane without any travel to “soak up” the terrain. Balance is clearly key between body control and ability to eat terrain, what makes the difference between proper and poor damping is its ability to breath over the terrain/street/road/etc.
Ive been looking at Annex for my FA5. How are the street manors vs stock? Mine is original so Id imagine anything is better then what it is currently at.
@CDOES their FastRoad Pro ride amazing on the street, confident you’d be very happy with them as an upgrade to the stock shocks and springs. The car will feel way sportier but not too stiff or harsh.
I got to meet Grant and tour their facility with the 86drive community a couple years ago when they were developing the first clubspec coilover for the frs/brz. These guys really know what they're doing and take the proper time in r&d to make proper coilovers for vehicles. if I ever need coilovers for whatever vehicle I own I will always go to annex.
I was already leaning towards buying these over the Fortune coilovers but this video really sold me on it. I'll be buying a set of them for my GR Corolla in the upcoming year.
11:00 😅 I almost ordered 8k springs for my 370Z for the front. No idea what a 0.65 motion ration was. Went to 14kgf/mm and that honestly still seems light.
If you guys ever want to get into th6r VW world, my Mk4 needs some suspension love. These sound much better than most Mk4 options at similar price points.
bonus content!!! Hell yeah and suspension tech!?!?!? my Nerd level is through the roof! doing a chassis change this year from Honda to Fox Body Mustang. so gonna be re-learning everything again.
I think part of the confusion is that most people's experience with mono are Bilstein and they compare them to adjustable Konis. The Bilsteins just transmits so much more of the road into the cabin thanks to the high air pressure that they typically utilize. I've seen much improved rides on Bilstein's simply by lowering the charged air pressure. The twin tube Konis option have much slower air pressure and a lot of times if you look at how they handle bumps they take a lot of the edge off a lot of the small stuff, but when you really get them moving they ramp up pretty hard. Unfortunately, the tropes from BMW owners have kind of been misleading as to creating these rules of mono versus twin. I Love how many companies are out there now sharing information. I think the big negative of an inverted monotube is just the higher maintenance associated with it but you get it back in strength and lightening the stress seen by the shaft which I'm sure of many of us have seen bend. It seems like a good option for McPherson cars especially since the top nut can be quite large since you wouldn't be eating up space within the cylinder if you were to run a larger diameter shaft. I'm trying to wrap my head around if it is less spring away as well since a greater portion of the weight will now be directly affixed to the car. Annexes is really cool because they take knowledge and theory and then go test it and learn. It's kind of cool to have anl Shockworks-esque shop stateside.
I don't think this is black or white - if you increase the shaft diameter or the bushing size, a traditional shock rod may be just fine. But it's worth noting that normal GR Corollas have a conventional shock rod but a Morizo has inverted monotube =)
Grant, I have an Alfa Romeo Giulia Super with a twin spark. Is it possible to put clovers in a 105 chassis? If you want to explore the idea, let me know. You can see my Alfa in a few videos on my channel. Thanks for the useful info as usual guys!
wow thats another reason why toyota should of went superstrut on this front end. the side loading is a downfall of mcepherson design as where superstrut minimizes this greatly.
The note about getting catalogue parts makes sense. Sure stuff is off the shelf but the magic is how they get the parts to work together and squirt oil with the perfect flow
I do want to clarify that many of the internals are designed and manufactured by us. But we are very transparent that we will use top hats and brackets from overseas manufacturers when we can to bring high end damper tech to the masses.
Love these conversations, as an engineer in this field its always good to hear an expert simplify it to a point it makes sense in layman terms.
To his comment on super high rebound basically it means the wheel won’t ever drop, think pot hole or post curb hoop… the body of the car will fall into the hole or drop making a super harsh return to plane without any travel to “soak up” the terrain. Balance is clearly key between body control and ability to eat terrain, what makes the difference between proper and poor damping is its ability to breath over the terrain/street/road/etc.
Very well said Fernando. I might need to borrow this terminology on a future video!
Annex is the real deal. They did a set for my 8th gen and now my EK. Both are amazing!
What did they run you?
Ive been looking at Annex for my FA5. How are the street manors vs stock? Mine is original so Id imagine anything is better then what it is currently at.
@CDOES their FastRoad Pro ride amazing on the street, confident you’d be very happy with them as an upgrade to the stock shocks and springs. The car will feel way sportier but not too stiff or harsh.
@@CDOES Just get some Ohlins. Similar pricepoint but superior.
@@RollingRoadEFIOhlins makes coilovers for the FD2 Type R, but not for USDM 8th gen Si
Learned a lot from watching this video. Thanks Gentle Misters.
I got to meet Grant and tour their facility with the 86drive community a couple years ago when they were developing the first clubspec coilover for the frs/brz. These guys really know what they're doing and take the proper time in r&d to make proper coilovers for vehicles. if I ever need coilovers for whatever vehicle I own I will always go to annex.
I was already leaning towards buying these over the Fortune coilovers but this video really sold me on it. I'll be buying a set of them for my GR Corolla in the upcoming year.
We would love to build your suspension! Please reach out if you have any questions.
Massive shafts are great for big loads. Got it.
What a great video that isn't simply marketing fluff like most of them. Thank you for sharing; I've learnt something new today.
11:00 😅 I almost ordered 8k springs for my 370Z for the front. No idea what a 0.65 motion ration was. Went to 14kgf/mm and that honestly still seems light.
Ended up ordering coils for my 370z because of this video. Thank you SA for this informative video. I can’t wait to get them.
Thanks for your support!
speed academy + ? am I viewing a premium subscription speed academy video?!?
love the effort annex puts into developing these coilovers! would love to run them on my brz one day
If you guys ever want to get into th6r VW world, my Mk4 needs some suspension love. These sound much better than most Mk4 options at similar price points.
Need a set of these on my 86. Thanks for the chat.
Love these types of discussions!
bonus content!!! Hell yeah and suspension tech!?!?!? my Nerd level is through the roof! doing a chassis change this year from Honda to Fox Body Mustang. so gonna be re-learning everything again.
Love the Annex on my AE86. Grant and his team do a great job.
Thanks Josh!
DP, I didn’t know you guys had a second channel. I love these tech talks!
Im patiently waiting for the RSX/EP3 suspension. The chassis is difficult and not shown enough love.
I second this. I would be interested in inverted for DC5
This is on our road map for Q1 or Q2 of 2024! Total ground up approach like we did with the GRC.
@@shawnendel
@@AnnexSuspensionGroup let me know if you need a product tester
Appreciate it - there are a handful of local DC5 / EP testers that have been waiting for us. @@shawnendel
Nice job gentlemen. Learned a lot, especially about the inverted.
on track inverted mono is good because the structure and temperature advantage, but on public road the twin tube is way better on comfort
I think this is debatable. Carefully valved inverted is quite nice too. Ohlins R&T is a good example of this.
I think part of the confusion is that most people's experience with mono are Bilstein and they compare them to adjustable Konis. The Bilsteins just transmits so much more of the road into the cabin thanks to the high air pressure that they typically utilize. I've seen much improved rides on Bilstein's simply by lowering the charged air pressure. The twin tube Konis option have much slower air pressure and a lot of times if you look at how they handle bumps they take a lot of the edge off a lot of the small stuff, but when you really get them moving they ramp up pretty hard. Unfortunately, the tropes from BMW owners have kind of been misleading as to creating these rules of mono versus twin. I Love how many companies are out there now sharing information. I think the big negative of an inverted monotube is just the higher maintenance associated with it but you get it back in strength and lightening the stress seen by the shaft which I'm sure of many of us have seen bend. It seems like a good option for McPherson cars especially since the top nut can be quite large since you wouldn't be eating up space within the cylinder if you were to run a larger diameter shaft. I'm trying to wrap my head around if it is less spring away as well since a greater portion of the weight will now be directly affixed to the car. Annexes is really cool because they take knowledge and theory and then go test it and learn. It's kind of cool to have anl Shockworks-esque shop stateside.
2:49 "the shaft is quite large here"
I know now where my next suspension will be coming from :)
Appreciated the knowledge.
Thanks 👍
Ohlins dfv,Dna top mounts go to suspension for GR yaris.
Great video, learned a lot.
02:46 I can see the coilover is blushing
Great video!!
Would definitely buy these if they were available for 9th gen civic
We can build these for the 9th gen! Please get in touch =)
@AnnexSuspensionGroup Yes! Will do soon. Thank you.
Great info.
Funny how know it all suspension company MCS told me how inverted suspension isn't necessary.
I don't think this is black or white - if you increase the shaft diameter or the bushing size, a traditional shock rod may be just fine. But it's worth noting that normal GR Corollas have a conventional shock rod but a Morizo has inverted monotube =)
Great timing, looking for an upgrade on my track car, how bad is the shipping to the UK ? 😅
About $225 USD bad! But I think the UK guys can make the dollar look easy =P
Great info- thanks!
SW20 👀
They dont have GE Fit, only GK on their website...
Grant, I have an Alfa Romeo Giulia Super with a twin spark. Is it possible to put clovers in a 105 chassis? If you want to explore the idea, let me know. You can see my Alfa in a few videos on my channel. Thanks for the useful info as usual guys!
As much as I love Alfas we probably won't be doing any 105 or 116 suspension unless a bunch of people start emailing us.
2:49-2:51 that's what she said
There is no way to escape innuendo in the shock absorber industry it seems.
wow thats another reason why toyota should of went superstrut on this front end. the side loading is a downfall of mcepherson design as where superstrut minimizes this greatly.
just going to add more cost to an already expensive car, people also complain so much about superstrut
Are we not doing Phrasing
Got to go fatter on the body, pretty sick better than any shocks I own